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Horsepower Hack | François Damiens · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to season four, episode four.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: And uh thank you for waiting.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for being patient.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: We're back.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we're talking to listeners.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: I thought you were talking to me directly.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you're welcome.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, for what?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, the people who listen to us on their commute.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: The people we're speaking to now, we're saying we're sorry for the delay to you.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we we're off a couple weeks with good reason.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_03: Holidays.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can basically just do, you know, send it.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Once you're like in early December, you can just say, let's just reconvene at the beginning of the year.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: And that shouldn't be true of podcasts, but unfortunately it is.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, we had a lot of shit going on.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: It was for us.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: We just took some time off to enjoy doing nothing with our families.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: You went to Colorado.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: I went to California.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: We were in separate states.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: And we're not going to do like a shitty, like rushed episode over Zoom with each other.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: It just is what it is.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're like, we're going to wait until we're back in the same city, reconnect.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: We did, though, have one night where we did meet and we had a Catan night together.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: We finally did.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: We said we were going to do that a couple episodes ago.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: We did.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: That was awesome.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Who won that, Megan?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Who won that?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: Not you.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: Not me.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: Dang it.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: Was it Robbie?
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: I thought why did I think I won?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: And who won that game?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, your boyfriend?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: I came in dead last.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was in second.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: To be fair, you created a cul-de-sac with your roads, Megan.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: You're not supposed to do that.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: And we didn't say anything because we're her competition.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: So Megan starts building her roads, which by the way, if you've never played this game, you know, yeah, let's take a step back.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: Settlers of Catan is a board game.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: If someone could have just been like, what the hell are they talking about?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Subconscious.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about this on episodes before, but if you've never played this game, you collect resources, and with your resources, you build things like cities, roads, settlements, you can buy development cards, and first person to ten points through those different strategies wins.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: So if you get like a long road, you do get like two points for longest road.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: And Megan, instead of just going for that, because she had tons of road, like roads to build, she just starts building a circle.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, we didn't say a word because we're just like you do you.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Can I just say infinity is the longest road?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's a circle.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it never ends making it the longest.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: I guess you may make the infinity symbol.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: You're saying just the circle is the infinite.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's an infinite loop.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: We should have said that.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: We might have.
• 2:49
  unknown: I could have.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: Megan just goes, here's my gold sack.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was very clear of my like Hufflepuff tendencies that I am the least competitive person.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: I also mentioned that in the last episode, which I have to say, a little disclaimer.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I talked about my tennis team and how I am by no means the best one on the team because I'm not a very competitive person.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: I just go and have fun.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I never mentioned our tennis team's name is called the battle axes.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought I should have shared that.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's huge.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because I've mentioned before how my tennis captain, love her.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Shout out to Angie.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, Angie.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: She, yep, she collects amazing swords and battle axes, and you go into her house and you're like, oh my gosh, there's just so much weaponry, but really cool artistic weaponry that you buy from rent fairs and collectors and whatnot.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, she came up with the name battle axes.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_03: Our logo is two battle axes like cross over each other with but they're also tennis rackets.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, kind of it's like a tennis racket battle axe.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: So not to fierce, not to divert from the waspiest battle-ask axe axe you could have.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like the tennis ball in our logo has spikes on it.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: And then battle axes, the logo is in like a medieval font.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: We're pretty intimidating.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: Do you guys have like a social page?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think you're gonna get followers from promoting it right now.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: And at one point, Angie brought the battle axe to the board.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it's heavy, and it was big, and it was probably not allowed out of daily space.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: You're allowed to just take that casually to your competitive matches.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, sorry, I had to I had to interject with that because when I was listening to the episode last time and Angie listens too, and she was even like, Well, you should have said battle axe.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't, of course, Angie.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, hi Angie.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: And second of all, let's all go to the run fair together that's coming in February.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's a month away.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: What were we saying about Katan though?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: Just that you're not competitive.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: I actually thought I won.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's how Slytherin I am.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: I legit thought I won.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: You were out for blood.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_03: I was just helping anybody who needed my resources.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, what would you like?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, I'll take that over free.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, what can I give you?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_04: I was just charity.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: Robbie was getting so mad.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, don't trade with her.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like, don't trade with Elizabeth.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_04: You see what she's doing.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_04: I saw the whole side of Robbie I've never seen before.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's yeah, he's also out for blood, which he's actually never done the Harry Potter house quiz.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I need to get that in front of him because I gotta know.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm surprised that hasn't come up.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've mentioned it, but I haven't pushed it.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think I need to push it.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anywho, yeah, so holidays.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Holiday stuff.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: You were in Colorado, I was in California.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: It was negative 12 degrees in Colorado, very cold.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_03: Man, for everyone who's dealing with the weather and the flight cancellations and just the terrible storms.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we're pretty happy here in Arizona, so we're just thinking of everyone else around us.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right now, it's been luckily, yeah.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: There was no weather delays on my end.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: And you drove to California, right?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_02: So you were fine.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, but our hearts are with everyone that were impacted by the storm in any way, because it was crazy here.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: Not here in Arizona.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Here as in America.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, but thank you for being with us.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then the other part of our Catan night was we did a gift exchange.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: Our annual.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: We do always do annually.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I we've said this before, but we'll say it again to anyone who's new to the podcast.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but on our birthdays, we always give each other like coffee table books, like big, robust, you know, things you want to put out like on display in your house.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: And for Christmas, we tend to do like kind of old like novels or cool books that we find at usually like a vintage bookstore or something like that.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'll start first.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: But Megan got me two books.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: Both were about Marie Antoinette.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one was just a really cool, like, I didn't know like what I don't know what year it was from, but it was probably like a 19s.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say maybe 30s, like really cool book on Marie Antoinette.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's gonna take me a while to get through because it is just, you know, tiny font and all and falling out pages, which I love.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then the second book was called Marie Antoinette's head, and it's specifically about like her hairstyles and all the things from her hairstylist that, you know, did all of her crazy boats and weird so ominous head.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's what we always think about is her head.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: Whether it's her head on her body with her hair or her head in the basket.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: The attached head with all the fancy styles or the or the head that's actually dead in the basket.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: So this will be a fun book, and I have to dive into both of them.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Elizabeth, I I'm actually really falling behind because I kind of had a fail on your birthday.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, you didn't.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: The originally the book I was getting you was um our favorite Dan Jones.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: It has a really cool coffee table book called In Color.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: Or there was one called like Women in Color.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: And anyways, I got it and it was I was so disappointed.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_03: It was trash.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: They said it was Dan Jones, and it's still like history and color or whatever it is.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: They said it was in good condition.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: It was not there, it was beyond trash.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I couldn't give it to you.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: She literally didn't give it to me.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, I was like, You can have it.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, you can't have this.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then she finally was like, if you want to see it, here it is.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, this is fine, I love it.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: Especially falling apart.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: The jacket was really tattered, but I took the jacket off and like the book underneath looks good.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like I display it.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: Did you?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, I find I kind of felt bad about that.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then um, you had an amazing coffee table book again that you got me, and it's uh the blueprints from the Harry Potter movies, and it's really cool.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: This year, though, for Christmas, again, you outdid me.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: No, you somehow got your hands on a first edition copy of Alison Weir's The Six Tudor Queens, the first one of Catherine Aragon.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's called The True Queen.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_03: True Queen.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Signed by Allison Weir.
• 8:44
  unknown: Signed.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: I I already posted a video on it because I was I was that the next morning I woke up and I was just staring at it like under the tree.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it was so cool.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and I really just stumbled upon it because I had a few other books in my hands because I was like, okay, I think she'll like this, and if I pair it with this book, this is a cool gift.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I had I had literally other things, and I I saw the book, but I was like, no, that looks too like modern.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like usually, again, we go for like kind of old tattered books, but I something was like, no, just pick it up and look at it.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like maybe it's worth your while.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so I put all the rest down.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: I picked up that one, and as soon as I opened it, it just like went straight to her signature page, and I was like, oh my god, yeah, this is real.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: This is so cool.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I I I saw it in like the bookstore we go to, we've talked about this bookstore before, but it's called the Book Gallery.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: And it's if you're in the Phoenix area, it's like on Indian school, like kind of I guess Arcadia area.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: Arcadia.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but so it's the coolest store.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: They always have new stuff, and we always go to the same section, which is like kind of the British hic history and like French history section.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so I was like, no way, and they're very detailed, so they had it written in the first page, it was like first edition signed.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they like verified, and I was like, no.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: One of our listeners who we love to follow, all the royal ladies.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: I have to remember the all the royal ladies, all the royal ladies.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, no, she just got the entire set of Allison Weir's The Six Tudor Queens for Christmas.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Posted that and she she just finished.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I she must have finished that in like record time.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Cause like when I I mean, again, I'm in a weird time warp because of the holidays, but I was like, oh, she got the book I got Megan, and then like two posts later, she's like, I'm finished, here's my review.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, Oh, damn.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know if I should read it because it's signed and I like You have to read it.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: But do I read that copy?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Just be just wear little gloves and be delicate.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not like it's fine.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like Susanna Lipscomb when she's going through her old Henry VIII with the documents, the little white gloves.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, you can you can read that copy.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I know you, you're not like a messy reader.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like you like eat a bunch of weird food with you know peep pizza fingers.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen what I do?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not in private.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: I love that you're not a bad about me.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: Polite reader.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's nice.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, okay.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: We have a bit of a celebrity execution-eyed to sneeze.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: Bless you.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_03: Nope.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: There goes it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: I don't.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's unhealthy.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Get it out.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: Megan.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's fine.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Do you need to I don't know.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: They say look at the light, that doesn't help me, but if it does help you, go ahead.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right there.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's probably from my dog that stinks to high heaven right now and needs to get groomed.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um no, we have a bit of a celebrity execution.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: I I like I think he's well known enough he could be like a celebrity.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of these stories where because of his lowly status, we don't know a whole lot about his early life, but the end of life makes him very prolific.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: So we are doing Mr.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm gonna say it in my Duolingo French accent, Robert Francois Damien.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: Which to Americans Robert Francois Damien.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's not correct.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll we're obviously gonna try and say it as a mixture between the two.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say it super French because we're not French, but we're gonna try and do it a little bit of justice.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll call him just Robert.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna call him Damien's Damien's Damien's dog.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: Damien's.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna see how this goes.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Robert.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Robert.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna get into why he was so important later in his life, but just to kick things off, he was born January 9th, 1715, in a village in northern France.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: And he was born a very lowly status.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: So he was born the son of a gatekeeper, which different accounts say that he may have may have also been a prison guard.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Some say that he was also a farmer part-time, but all we know is it's essentially kind of a you know a lower status family in the north of France.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: So not a lot of opportunity.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was the eighth of ten children growing up, so big family and not a lot of money and resources going around.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: So as soon as he could, he joined the army when he was young.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's a few discrepancies on which battles he actually fought in.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um a lot of historians think that he fought in kind of the battle, I think it was called the succession of uh or secession, excuse me, of Austria, when Austria was trying to break away.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we all we do know for sure is that he was discharged fairly early, probably in the 1740s or 1750s.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: So we we're unclear as to why, whether he left or there was some sort of medical reason why he left, but as soon as he was discharged for the army, he started a slew of jobs which all were essentially the same.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: He was a domestic servant in different houses.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I believe his first job was he was at the College of the Jesuits of Paris, but he was quickly dismissed from that and a bunch of other employers in town, and all of that was really cited was misconduct.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of speculation as to what that means.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like some people were like, well, usually if you're a domestic servant, which is like, you know, a household servant, it's because you have stolen.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's because you're, you know, being thievy.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: So some people think that he was uh discharged because of theft.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Other people believe that he actually had two close of liaisons with female people in the house, whether that's other workers or ladies of the household.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: And others were just saying that he was uh he was relieved of his duties because he was a little nutty.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was a good servant.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think that was well known.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: He was he was good in a household when when it came to his tasks, but just his like personal demeanor and like way he came off to people was really off, and people didn't necessarily trust him because they thought maybe he had some sort of just you know mental issue that really prevented him from being essentially a moral guy.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um so he actually earned himself the name of Robert the Devil.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Robert the Devil.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right, because people just again had this perception of him that he wasn't quite trustworthy.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so historians again debate whether he was uh mentally unstable, but one thing that is pretty certain about his beliefs is that he was what you call a Jansenist in this era.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: So a Jansenist is essentially a subsect of Catholicism.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was a very controversial kind of branch of Catholicism because they they centered a lot of their beliefs around the original sin and whether or not it was okay to partake in certain kind of pleasures that humans uh naturally have.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: So the Catholic Church kind of said, you know, we don't really acknowledge you as part of the Catholic Church.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: You're not entitled to the holy sacraments that the rest of us have.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: And this really agitated Robert.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he started to really think of the Catholic Church as this hierarchy that he couldn't really, you know, get to.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: He he saw the the um Catholic Church as this just big mixture of power and influence that he could never really understand and his own sect was being essentially refused the basic rights of.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um and he saw the monarchy as being very closely tied to that Catholic Church.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: So he really started to have it out for not just the Catholic Church, but also just the monarchy and the king specifically.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: So he started to get all these ideas in his head of okay, what can I do to make a mark here?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like to really speak out against the cat the Catholic Church and the King.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it was said that he even kind of had drunken speeches that he would make sometimes in public just because he was so agitated with the way things were going.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Again, whether or not it was because he was mentally unstable or he truly like thought these things about uh, you know, his his Jansenite beliefs, who knows?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: But either way, he he's being very clear that he disagrees with these things.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And just a quick side note before we get into this next section, somehow, and this is a very like weird thing that we didn't actually uh like see throughout his life, but but he was married and did have a daughter, but it's not at any point like stated when that happened or how old he was, because it's who they were.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it just was at the end of his life, they were like, Oh, by the way, his daughter and his wife.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: So at some point he was able to manage, you know, a marriage and a family throughout all of this, but I think the underlying theme is that he couldn't hold the job, and again, he c he got to be a little bit of a religious fanatic.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I have friends like that now though who are really political.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, wow, Elizabeth.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: Do do tell.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm political.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, no.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think we've all had that friend before, whether a friend or not, who's just very passionate and political about their own agenda.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: And every conversation goes back to it, and they get all heated, and then you know, you want to have an enjoyable night at dinner, and it always goes back to this or that.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like that's kind of what he was like.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: He just kind of kept ranting and raving about of all the issues in the world, how the Jansenites, yeah, saying that right?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh Jans Jansenists or Jan Jansenites, I think.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how they were um being refused the sacrament, which is um communion and all of those traditions.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: So he's very heated.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: This is like the primary thing on his mind day and night.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: And like Elizabeth said, he was targeting the king of France at the time.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: It was King Louis XV.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: He was blaming him for this issue.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe for a good cause.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: Who knows?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: The king is in charge of a lot, so yeah.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so King Louis XV, we've talked about him before.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: He is the grandfather of King Louis XVI.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: King Louis XVI, of course, married to Marie Antoinette, him and both Marie Antoinette beheaded.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: So just to kind of get your um get get a good pinpoint of where we are in history, we are the generation before King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette get on the throne.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: And the date is January 5th, 1757.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Ironically, as we record this, today is January 5th, 2023.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that weird?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't actually notice that until Megan pointed it out when we were prepping for this.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Do you notice the same day?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Oh.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, again, I'm in this weird holiday time warp, so I didn't even know.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's January.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's 2023 now.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's 2023.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the new year.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: So it's January 5th at 4 p.m., Robert makes his way over to Versailles.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: He knows that the king is, I don't know, out and about and gonna get back, get back home from his carriage.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so Robert wasn't working at Versailles, but it's you know, he makes he makes his way through the city, he somehow gets into the courtyard of the palace.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: And as King Louis XV makes his way out of the carriage, Robert comes up and he stabs him in the chest with a pen knife.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Which is like a pocket knife.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: A penknife is not very big.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not a dagger, dumbest weapon you could put it.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: Not a sword.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Something that you keep in your pocket with army knife, yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, so he stabs him.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: It was either in the chest or in between the ribs.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it is cold, it is in January, so of course the king is wearing a lot of thick coats.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: He's wearing a lot of layers.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, bro.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: He felt a little pretty good.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: He was like, oh.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's a mere flesh wound.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they say that it stabbed him about a half an inch or one centimeter into his chest.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: So it did bleed, but it wasn't enough to cause any damage.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: It was a very minor wound.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: You would think that Robert would want to like stab and run, but it was odd, which kind of goes back to his mental instabless and what his intents were and what he thought was gonna happen.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: But he doesn't do anything, he just stands there.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: And of course he's arrested immediately.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: They are on top of him within seconds.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right, because the king has bodyguards right by his side at all times.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: So immediately they're just like, no.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: And a king's assassination is the biggest crime that there could have been.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: That is like the king's worst fear is being assassinated like that, just getting out of his carriage.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so this is is I thought this was kind of funny.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Again, half an inch stab with a pen knife, but there was a lot of blood for whatever reason.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: And he really this is like really concerning to King Louis.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: He actually thinks he's going to die.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: A little dramatic.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: But a snowflake.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Slightly dramatic.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: He calls his confessor, he gets his physicians, he gets everybody around him.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: Gets his wife.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: He starts confessing all of his sins to his wife, which included what, like 50 mistresses he had.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: He had six affairs.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say he had like he had 50 plus mistresses.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: There was even, and like we looked back, I actually counted on his um on his like biography page.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: But he had nine women that he impregnated and 13 illegitimate children.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, yeah, he had a lot of side women.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: This all comes up in his quote unquote deathbed at the time.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: And they were like, uh, sir, you're gonna be fine.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, oh.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: Forget everything.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: I just ignore that that was the wooziness of the blood loss making me talk.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Clearly, I'm not thinking correctly.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: We saw this funny video where it was like he admitted to over 50 affairs, and it was like, surely if you didn't die in that moment, you'd want to die the immediate next moment.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like it was like, yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: Bad move, Louie.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: Bad move.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: Bad move.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: But they're not taking it lightly, despite that it was yet but a flesh wound, uh, they still are not gonna be very forgiving to Robert.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: He's arrested.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: They start torturing him pretty quickly.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: The reason they torture him is because they think there's more to the picture.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: They want to know who are the accomplices, why did you do this?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: Is there is this a bigger thing?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have a whole revolt coming?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think they gave him a lot of credit, and he's just like, uh no, I just wanted to like, you know, try to kill him.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: Just me with my pocket knife.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: Hi.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: And pretty quickly, Parliament accuses him as guilty of regicide.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about that.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: He didn't die.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: It was a tiny little like prick from a pocket knife.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: You need to calm down.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: He needs to calm down.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: And he, yeah, because of obviously the attempt on his life and all that, and they want to make an example out of Robert.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: It now becomes a very escalated situation where they literally, you know, say that he's guilty of of re if I say it right, regicide or regicide?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like homicide.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, I know, but is it re-regicide or regicide?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna say regicide.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: That just sounds good.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: What a cool like crime.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, not don't don't take this the wrong way.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: Don't kill any of your monarchs.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the fact that an entire group of people have their own name for the type of murder it is.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's true.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: So a royal murder would be a regicide.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: I new You want to be in this club, I feel like.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, how do I go to the club?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: Megan's getting very excited over this.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: Not to do the killing, but to be the killed as a royal.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you want to be killed as a royal.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: You want to be in the regicide group.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: Let's put this on record.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not out to kill anybody, especially anyone of a royal family.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: You want to be royal and be killed.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, just to go down in history.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: I see.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, where was I going with this?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: I had a point.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, but that would be like nowadays getting found guilty for murder or for homicide, but the person didn't actually die.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: You just pricked them.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: And then getting the worst sentence.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Which would be attempted murder.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: And now we have different degrees, and was it manslaughter?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: Was it yada yada yada?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just funny how they go straight to like, nope, nope, nope, regicide, regicide.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: Quick little plug if you guys watch Wednesday on Netflix, which I absolutely love that show.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I've watched it several times over and over.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: But I didn't know that.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's good.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_04: I like it.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_04: I watched the dancing a lot.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the dancing scene's so funny.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: But the like first episode when Morticia's like, You were going to be charged with attempted murder.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: How would have that looked on your record?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: And she goes, terrible.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone knows I failed to get the job done.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's so perfect.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: Her delivery of that line is spectacular.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: So if you have to watch Wednesday, please watch Wednesday.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: You probably have because it's like the number one show in Netflix, right now.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's watched it.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, anyway, so now after essentially three months of torture for poor Robert, um, we're at March 28th, 1757.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: So at this point, Robert is age 42, and it is the day that he is sentenced to death.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: He's ready to die.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: So in the morning, he says, and this is again my duolingo French, but he says, La journée sera rules, which means the day will be hard.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: No shit.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: No shit, this is gonna be a hard day.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: The most like subtle of really just undermining what's ahead of him.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: So at this point, everyone is excited to see the person who attempted uh to kill Louis XV, you know, executed.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: So even the apartments that are nearby the execution site, which is the Place des Grive, if I'm saying that correctly.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting better.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we have no French listeners among these girls.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, but so even the apartments uh near the Place des Grives are are rented out by nobility.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: So the houses, all the apartments that have good vantage points, are all essentially being rented out with for large sums of money because they want to see this guy get executed.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine if they had Airbnb back exactly.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's like when the Super Bowl comes and you like Airbnb your house.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: I had a friend who did that.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: She paid off an entire year's worth of mortgage from like a big frat party renting out her house for one week during the Super Bowl because she lived right across from the stadium where it was taking place.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: It it's wild.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, not to again, subtract.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: We do that.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: We're we're we're coming into that season in Arizona because the Super Bowl is gonna be here this year and the waste management open, which is a big golf tournament, and it's like the craziest weekend ever.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: So uh everyone is coming out for that.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Good luck.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is gonna be super expensive.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: But for this scenario, can you just imagine how much they were like raising those rent prices just for the nobility to be staying in rooms overlooking the execution site?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: That is sick.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: I would try to sell package deals.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, hey, you know, it's not just this one day you need to be here for.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's a few events in town you want to see.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: I would have carries horses.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: When they come up, there's like a little pamphlet of like describing his crimes.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, a little like fruit basket and stuff like that.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: And the fruit can be used to also throw at him.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Smart.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, big tomatoes and cabbages.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I'd have little souvenirs of horses.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: And you gotta have the merch.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about this on our first episode.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: And some axes, tiny axes, like tiny, like little toys.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, tiny little pincers, like pincers that you can actually get hot and use on your sister.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: And then a mug.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: A mug.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you always gotta have mug.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: And the mug would have the quote.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they wouldn't have known the quote of the day will be hard.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's already now.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's like it that is like the Super Bowl, where as soon as the winning team wins, they get the hats that are like Super Bowl champions.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, how do they know that so fast?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's like a 50-50 shot.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: It is, and they send the rest to Africa.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I have heard I did, yeah, I did hear about that.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would love to get my hands on one of the anti-I I always think of like, you know, the team that I love.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like anytime they've lost the Super Bowl, like I want the shirt that says they won.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, but uh, we've been like playing around with the idea of merchandise.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: What about a mug that says the day will be hard?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: The day will be hard on your coffee mug.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: Perfect.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly what you need.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I say that every morning when I log into work.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is that not your first thought when you log into your first Zoom meeting of the day?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Today will be hard.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: Day will be hard.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: La journée serude.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'll write that down so we don't.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Write it down.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: We have lots of merch ideas that we never actually do.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: We just talk about the idea of going to do it, everybody.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: How about you be patient for once?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: What are you looking for?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Your pen's over there.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: There it is.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna continue with my uh sorry, continue.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: This is the good part.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: So now that everyone has their you know cushy spots in their apartments and houses nearby, and just the general crowd that gathers for this execution, the first thing before, and this is kind of interesting, I think, because I feel like usually executions are just the execution.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the ceremony of getting them to the block or getting them to the gallows or getting them to the stake and then you know have having the priest there saying kind of the final things, the final speeches, and then it's done.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: They proceeded to continue to like torture him in front of everyone, which I feel like so messed up.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like unusual.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: So the first thing that they do is they put his legs into something called boots, which is a boot.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's nice.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Keep his feet warm.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: These boots are made of like metal, and you crank them so they crush your calves and your feet.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, and sometimes they would even insert like like wooden pieces in there to make it even more uncomfortable to kind of like stab you further.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: So the first thing they did was they crushed his legs in these compression boot things.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Then they got red-hot pincers, which we've talked about.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is actually in our last episode with the blood countess.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: But um, they got red hot pincers and started peeling the flesh off of his like upper body, like all of his chest and like parts of his arms and torso.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: They started to peel off his flesh.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: They called it his breasts in one documentary, which was like why would you call it your breasts?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Say your chest, your dude.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Or your nipples.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Nips, man.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Your nips.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Peel off your nips.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_04: That's alpha.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: Continue, please.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's so bad.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: All the way.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, so then the next thing they did too was the hand that he had taken to stab the king, they they took the hand and they put it in like sulfur.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: So they like they heated up sulfur and made it the concrete.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, this is the hand that you tried to kill the king with, and they burned it in sulfur.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then all of the parts of him that were wounded, whether it was his crushed legs or his like stripped-off skin or the hand that had just been burned, they started pouring molten wax, molten lead, oil, resin all over his wounds.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: So in his newly opened wounds, they started to pour all this other stuff to make it hurt even more.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then the final thing before Megan gets to the actual execution, because this isn't even the execution.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: This is just the appetizer.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: This is the build-up.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: This is just, you know, you gotta get the people in the Airbnb what they paid for.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta give them a little pre-show.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the Roman Coliseum at this point.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so finally the executioner who we'll get to, but um Charles Henry Sanson, Samson, um, he emasculates Robert, which you know what that means.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Take off his junk.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so none of that was enough.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: They had to they had to then take off his his uh sky.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I always thought I thought the Romans were brutal and cruel.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: This one's pretty the French.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: The French.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: Dang.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: We also last time we thought it was the Hungarians.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: I think every culture has had its era of just brutality.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, America too.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: We all have.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: We all have done unspeakable things.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: All of our ancestors are all effed up.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think the ironic thing about the French is that you always assume like France, like the country of beauty, the beauty, and passion and wine and food.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: Also crazy executions.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean French Revolution.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: The guillotine.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: All of this is before the French Revolution, obviously.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: Don't do the read books, which we've talked about.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, okay, so um our buddy Charles Henry Sanson.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: I have to say, because when we were recapping all this, we like we realized, we're like, oh wait, this is the same executioner we've been talking about.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: I know this name.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: We know this name.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, yeah, Megan, in the very first episode we ever did, you kept calling him Samson.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember saying, like, is that it?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like Madonna, like single word.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't saying his name right.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was an M.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: Samson.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: Sanson with an N.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_03: Sanson.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: Sanson.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: You can say Sanson.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Charles Henry Sanson.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like that.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: See, we're just really we've progressed.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: How much have we grown, really?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's been too long, so uh let's talk about this guy again.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Kind of had a sh dust off my old notes a little bit.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: He's young at this point, he's only 18 years old, and he's not even the head executioner.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: He is assisting his uncle.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because he is in a lineage of executioners.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: His father, his uncle, his grandfather, and his sons.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: They're all very experienced executioners, or will be or have been, or whatever, at some point in history.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Sam, can I still call him my buddy Sam?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: Why not?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's not even Sam.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: Charles Henry.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: He uh is probably the most notable though.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, this was very early in his career, but down the road when we do hit the French Revolution, he was the primary executioner for so many beheadings.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: He was the first executioner to use a guillotine.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: He executed King Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette, Madame Duberry.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: Which I didn't even know she was executed in the world.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: We literally I don't think we did.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe in my mind I said we did.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: I thought she went away from court long before all that happened, but I guess she's back and she beheaded.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: She also, um, Madame Duberry, she was like the rival of Marie Antoinette, right?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: She was like speaking of King Louis XV.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh! She was his mistress.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: We just went full circle.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: Madame Duberry is King Louis XV's mistress.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and was executed by Charles Henry Sanson, who executes Robert Robert for the first time.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: Who tried to assassinate King Louis?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: King Louis XV.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: It all makes sense.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Once you do this long enough, you'd be surprised the circles you get yourself into.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: In Megan's words, the cul-de-sac.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: The game-winning cul-de-sac is what you enter into.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: Infinity.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's never ending.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: So um Charles Henry executed 2,918 people in his career.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: What's wild about that is Megan was just looking directly into my eyes when she said that and not even the notes.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: She just knows that number, like in her sleep.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: That was spooky.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_04: There are a lot of things that I don't know, but there are some things I do know.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good one.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: I hope that's a Jeopardy question.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: Should be.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Only you and I will know the answer.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: And a few select listeners who commit that to memory.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, so Charles Henry Sanson, big player in the French Revolution.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: This is kind of like his first taste, though, of a really, really gory execution.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: He has a hard time getting through it.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: He, in fact, doesn't get through it, correct?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think he did.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: One of our documentaries we watched said that he literally had to just kind of stop like halfway through and be like, I'm not gonna do this anymore.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was just incredibly grusade.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: Which I hope it wasn't halfway through the emasculation.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, did he finish that or no?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Partial one ball.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: So it gets worse.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it does.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: The final form of execution, because they're probably wondering at this point, like, okay, so they're torturing him, but are they gonna behead him?
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Are they gonna burn him?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: Are they gonna hang him?
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: Worse.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: The sentence was drawn in quartering, which we've talked about before, but this time it's a little different.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: It is a little different.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: This is the all-natural version.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because they're using horses.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: They tie each limb to a horse and they use their horsepower.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: Literal horsepower.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: Literally their horsepower to run in opposite directions.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: And pull the limbs out.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: This is supposed to be fast.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: This is supposed to be like haya.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like you one crack of the whip and all the horses scatter and then all your limbs come off at one time.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: There's actually a really good movie I saw not too long ago, an older movie with Eddie Redmain.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, did we watch this together?
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: No, I was by myself.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was horrified and I was in love with it all at the same time.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: It had a great cast.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it was super dark.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: And they showed uh dismembering in this form.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: I showed it.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Seen a few renditions.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say Rain even showed it exactly.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not as gorgeous.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, this one I saw was it obviously like CGI.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right, of course.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Megan.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: But but I'm just saying they actually showed the whole thing.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's very graphic.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'll have to figure out what the name of that movie was.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was pretty good.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Don't put that on our Instagram page because that might also get us kicked off, you know, vis-a-vis uh Mussolini era.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: We've been suspended one too many times.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: So this is supposed to be pretty quick.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: Already we're at about three hours of torture.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: Let's just start with that.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: We he's been tortured for about three hours.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how much torture do you need?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: At max, the entire final hurrah should have been maybe 15-20 minutes.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: It took an hour of the horses pulling, and his limbs were just like strong, I guess.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_03: They just weren't pulling out.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: He was screaming the through all of this.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: He was actually screaming out a lot of different things, which sometimes when um we've heard when people are being dismembered and drawn and quartered, it's almost eerily silent, like they're in shock.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: And they're not making any noise.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: But that wasn't the case for for Robert.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: He was the entire time he's just like, God save me, God end this.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_03: When will my death come?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: Take pity on me.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, take pity, just screaming and yelling things the entire time.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: Which do you blame a guy?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: I would not.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: I would historians think too that might be partially because of his mental instability.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, most people might just be in pure shock or not know what to say, but he almost had just such a rapidly firing brain, or maybe a schizophrenic brain, or whatever that would just allow him to say so many different things.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he seemed very lucid through the entire thing.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: And like really like sobering through it, like he was alive through all the time.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_03: He wasn't passing out, he just wasn't dying.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: And his limbs were being they were held on by the tendons and the muscles.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: Eventually they have some mercy.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we gotta, we've gotta end this.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: So they um take an axe and they finish dismembering the forelimbs.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so that way the horses are actually able to kind of go their direction.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: But they have to hack him off his legs and arms.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: I just have to like, I'm sorry, I'm just like in my mind, I'm visualizing this and a little disturbed.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's real gross.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: Some people say that he died before his last arm was removed.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of blood, so maybe that and you lost all your, you know, man parts and your burning everywhere.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, even the burning now is gone because they've cut like his crushed legs are now taken off.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: The chest is still there though, with his peeled skin.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Lots of ways to die here, really.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: Elizabeth.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: So uh I think that seems more reasonable that he died by the time his last arm was cut off.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: Others, which you know, we've always heard this that spectators get a little bit dramatic and it's like it's like the telephone game and the exaggerations, and they, you know, one thing turns to the next.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: Others said his torso was still living.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: And what did they do with his torso, Elizabeth?
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_03: Which was may or may not have been still alive.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: So whether or not the torso was alive, they put the torso on a stake and burnt it for everyone to see.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: So the final act of this execution was burning at the stake.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, st torso and head.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, torso and head.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: And head.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Head was still there.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: They could have still been screaming with no limbs on.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: Again, they did say he was still breathing, so who knows what his final moments were like.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but some of the spectators did say that his final words, whether that was when the last limb was being hacked off or when he was at the stake, was his last words were, Oh death, why art thou so long in coming?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_03: Which is just like prophetic and like very well spoken for someone who is very Shakespearean.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: Four hours into extreme torture.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I feel like I'd be just, you know, like we knowing you would be feeling profanities, but to have something so composed and kind of lovely is like, wow, like it's just it it's it's dark.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Even better, he said it in French.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: He said in French.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know how to translate that.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, wait till I'm in French foundations three, okay?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: But it's finally once he um his torso was burned, they threw his limbs in there as well, burned all the limbs.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: So they literally burned him up until he was just ash, and then they had his ashes scattered in the wind.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: And um after that they made sure his house was destroyed.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I did read somewhere too that they made sure no other house was built on that land afterwards.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was like cursed land.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I would love to go and see that.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go see that.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: That was just there, dang it.
• 43:24
  unknown: I know.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: We'll go back.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it was his reputation was so badly damaged that his his father, his mother, his wife, his daughter were all banished from France.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: They had to leave.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: His sisters and brothers that were still in the area had to change their names because they didn't want to be associated with him at all.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it was it was it was bad.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, luckily, nothing terrible, at least that we know, happened to his family, but they had to sit like disassociate from him as soon as they could.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so a lot of people really see his death as kind of the example of like the barbarianism of the old regime.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and people like Thomas Paine, if you know Thomas Paine, the you know American philosopher.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: Thomas Paine.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: From Hamilton.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: So he he wrote um the book The Rights of Man, and he states that this execution was actually the reason why, when the masses finally took over in the French Revolution, why they were so harsh on the monarchs.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because a lot of people say, like, oh, did Marie Antoinette really deserve to be sent to the guillotine?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, did Louis XVI really deserve that kind of end?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people like Thomas Paine kind of point to this and be like, Well, yeah, because look at what that old regime did to people that didn't even succeed, like they didn't kill anybody.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: He stabbed someone.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, he stabbed the king with a pocket knife.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, does that deserve this crazy, brutal, like inhumane?
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: Thousands of people who went to go see it.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and all the nobility that rented these apartments.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: And guess what?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: That was the young generation who grew up to be the French Revolution.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of people kind of point to that like, duh, why'd you think the masses were so harsh on them?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it was also referenced in a lot of other um literary uh pieces.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is actually, if you've ever read Candide by Voltaire, he mentions this execution in there.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Charles Dickens references it in The Tale of Two Cities.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, even in uh Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court, he talks about this.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: So this was kind of deeply embedded in the culture.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like everyone knew about this execution.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: It became very famous and a very big symbol.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I love this, but and maybe I'm just a weirdo, but it was witnessed by Casanova.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Casanova was there.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: The Casanova.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: The Casanova.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: Giaco Casanova.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Giacco Casanova, the arthritis lover of Venice.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: So if you don't know anything about Casanova, I actually I just got a book that I need to start reading about him.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's an old tattered book, which is my favorite.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's his memoirs.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: And he was a well-known Italian adventurer and lover, but he was there, he witnessed it, and he wrote an entire little little piece on what it was like to view it, because he was like, Oh, well, I have courage, so I'm gonna go watch this execution like a man.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: And he said he was repulsed by it essentially, and we can maybe even put in a little clip of what he said.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh last we did this for our last episode.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_03: We we inserted a clip of someone else reading a quote, so you're not just listening to us, and I felt like it it went well.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: It did.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's good to hear another feedback on that tone of professionalism.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: So without further ado, here is Howdy Dave with his quote from Gioco Casanova on his witness to Robert's execution.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: We had the courage to watch the dreadful sight for four hours.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Damien was a fanatic who, with the idea of doing a good work and obtaining a heavenly reward, had tried to assassinate Louis XV.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: And though the attempt was a failure, and he only gave the king a slight wound, he was torn to pieces as if his crime had been consummated.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: I was several times obliged to turn away my face and to stop my ears as I heard his piercing shrieks.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Half of his body having been torn from him.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: But they did not budge an inch.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: Was it because their hearts were hardened?
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: They told me, and I pretended to believe them, that their horror at the wretch's wickedness prevented them from feeling that compassion, which his unheard of torments should have excited.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_03: So that's pretty interesting.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because he calls out a few things how he also is like, uh, this wasn't even a serious crime.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't even consummated.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't even happen.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: I like the word of consummated from Casanova, also.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: Nice usage of that word that I mean.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and then the fact that like it's so gory, he also couldn't even look at it.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Who could?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: And he's again like a a man of carnal pleasure and has seen a lot of stuff in his time, and he's just like, I can't even take whatever's going on in front of me.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he showed up at what point are you like, oh, is everyone else's this is the thing to do today.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Casanova, come on.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Of all the things you could do, find something else to do.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: But he's definitely very sympathetic to him, which I feel like is the legacy that continues on with Robert.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Because it was never like, yeah, I mean, serves him right, you should protect the royals.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: It was like, okay, the crime needs to fit the punishment.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_03: And this is the epitome of an example of where the crime did not fit the punishment.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I even understand, like, maybe right after it happened, the torture to see if there's accomplices and this is a part of a bigger plot.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I get that.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's just the the time, right?
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: But to go this far, it's just a little bit.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't even think he should have been executed, let alone a slow execution that lasted four hours.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: I just And that's after three months of torture.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's like he's already been tortured for a long time, and then you do this very public torture, and then the worst kind of execution you could have, like awful.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to know, were they trying to set an example?
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: Was the standard?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: I've never heard of any other one like this.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: There was an assassination like in 1600 something, an actual assassination.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I think they're just trying to prevent something like that from happening ever again by making her yeah, just instilling the fear, and that's what the monarchy did, right?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: They had to like flex their power when they could.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_03: And other monarchs did that too.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Queen Elizabeth had assassination attempts, and those who are not treated, you know, they they were all punished.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: Henry VIII was very afraid of assassin.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, really every monarch, because they know that they have haters out there, and it was a pretty you know, yeah, brutal time to be in.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not like nowadays where you have like, you know, a secret service with security cameras and different like preventive measures.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well, even now, JFK and That's true, Abraham Lincoln.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a very current one.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: I know, I know, I know.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: There's more recent than that.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like, you know, it's just I think in the era, you don't know who's trying to poison you at what time and what could happen, and you could just be stepping out of your carriage, you know, in your home.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: He literally was at Versailles when it happened.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like they're they're in a way just scared for their lives all the time, too.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like they have to do these crazy things to just show people like whose boss.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, but how crazy is too crazy.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that is in my mind pretty crazy.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: We've had some really brutal ones this season.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_03: Dark.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, on that note, Elizabeth, any final words?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: Not tonight.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: Quand tu me dis que tu n'as pas d'autre fille, je sais parfaitement que tu mens.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Tout le monde sait que tu me trompes souvent.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: Alors méfie-toi de t'avertis maintenant.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Tes bottes sont faites pour marcher.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: Et tu vas le retraiter, car je mettrai tes bottes un jour au lobe pour te quitter.