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Trading Places with Rico Love · We Talk Back

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  Speaker 1: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who
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  Speaker 1: talk back.
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  Speaker 2: Talk back. Talk back.
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  Speaker 3: Talk back.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a
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  Speaker 2: new episode of We Talk Back, a show dedicated to
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  Speaker 2: you dreamers and chasers and everybody else in between. This
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  Speaker 2: is your co-host, AJ Holiday. What's up, Tam?
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  Speaker 4: And this is dedicated to you hoes and you niggas, too,
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  Speaker 4: because we forgot about y'all.
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  Speaker 2: I love all of y'all. Special group.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, girl.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, child? What you got going on?
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  Speaker 4: Girl, I'm just so happy that this weekend is over.
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  Speaker 4: I felt overwhelmed with life.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah. Celebrating that white man's holiday?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't celebrate.
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  Speaker 3: I stayed in the house.
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  Speaker 4: I was on my porch watching all the madness downstairs because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was just madness going on. And my
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  Speaker 4: friend was on the phone, one of my guy friends,
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  Speaker 4: and he was like, you're just looking down there like
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  Speaker 4: an auntie.
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  Speaker 2: Just staring at them kids down there like. Like Blue
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  Speaker 2: Ivy in New Orleans. Remember that? That video of Blue
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  Speaker 2: Ivy looking down on all the peasants.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I was looking down at the people
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  Speaker 1: out there cutting up.
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  Speaker 2: Like, ew. I didn't do much this weekend either. Just
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  Speaker 2: hung out, played house a little bit. That's about it.
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  Speaker 2: Chilled out. I ain't even had like no barbecue, no nothing,
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  Speaker 2: which I don't really eat. People should have to bring
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  Speaker 2: my own salmon to people barbecues nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: Baby, I ordered some barbecue.
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  Speaker 2: If I want to have some food.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even go to nobody's barbecue. I just ordered
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  Speaker 4: some from a restaurant. Like, fuck it.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a fucking tweet that said, this generation don't
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  Speaker 2: even cook out no more. All they do is do
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  Speaker 2: drugs and twerk. Right. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: Shake their ass and do drugs.
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  Speaker 2: My family actually did have a big-ass cookout back at home,
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  Speaker 2: but I missed it. I wasn't in town at my
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  Speaker 2: family's restaurant. Shout out to Berther's Kitchen in Charleston, South Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: My mom and my sister was at home, and they
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  Speaker 4: lit the grill, and they cut that motherfucker off and
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  Speaker 4: bought an indoor grill and grilled in the house.
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  Speaker 1: They was like, it's too high.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, okay, so why? An article came out saying that
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  Speaker 2: 4th of July, 2023 was the hottest year Day in
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  Speaker 2: history for the planet. Just like average heat for the
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  Speaker 2: whole world. Yesterday, well, excuse me, July 4th was the
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  Speaker 2: hottest day for planet Earth. And I believe it because, bitch,
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  Speaker 2: I could see the heat.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even go out in it. I was looking
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  Speaker 4: for my patio. And anytime I felt overwhelmed with the heat,
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  Speaker 4: I just ran back inside, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this type of heat, you got to wash
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  Speaker 2: a couple times.
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  Speaker 1: Just be stank.
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  Speaker 2: Just be smelling like outside all day long.
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  Speaker 1: It's stank down here, big mama.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all, today we have a special guest on We Talk Back, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: He is responsible for a lot of our favorite songs
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  Speaker 2: like Sweet Dreams, Beyonce, Good Morning with Diddy, There Goes
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  Speaker 2: My Baby. That's my shit right there. I'm auditioning also.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I might be whistling and singing a lot. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: And twerk city girls. I just found that out. The hell? Y'all,
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  Speaker 2: we have Mr. Rico Love on Utah Beck.
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  Speaker 1: Rico Love, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: How you guys doing?
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  Speaker 2: We good, man.
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  Speaker 1: We always good. It's too hot. It's getting too hot.
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  Speaker 3: It feels good on this level, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about the setup?
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  Speaker 3: I like it. I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice, right?
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  Speaker 3: Feels good.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do a live show in here one day.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you can get on after we finish and do
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  Speaker 4: a little something for us.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it. I'll do a drum solo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be dope.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we got no sticks. You're going to
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  Speaker 4: have to hit it with your hands. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if that's... So.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Rico.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get into it. So, our listeners, we want them
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  Speaker 4: to get to know you a little bit. Tell us
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  Speaker 4: how you started Turn.
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  Speaker 1: The Lights On.
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  Speaker 3: How Turn the Lights On came about? Yeah. Well.
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  Speaker 5: A friend of mine, Mams Taylor, he was a co-owner
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  Speaker 5: of this club in LA called Area. So we used
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  Speaker 5: to hang out in this spot like every weekend. When
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  Speaker 5: I say like, it would be like Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Paris Hill. This was like a Wednesday night
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  Speaker 5: was the party, but we would come and go frequently
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  Speaker 5: because he was one of the owners. So there was
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  Speaker 5: a DJ and in those type of clubs, the DJs
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  Speaker 5: play the same kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of set list every night.
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  Speaker 5: And they played a song by Pink Floyd called The Wall.
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  Speaker 5: And then in the song they say, hey, teacher, leave
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  Speaker 5: those kids alone. And all the lights would go crazy
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  Speaker 5: in the club. So I would say like every time
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  Speaker 5: that part would build up, I would say, turn the
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  Speaker 5: lights on. Like to myself. So one day I was
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  Speaker 5: in the studio and I was in a climactic part
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  Speaker 5: of the record every time it builds up. And right
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  Speaker 5: before the drop, I would just say, turn the lights on.
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  Speaker 5: And my good friend Mams Taylor, he was like, you
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  Speaker 5: should say that in all the songs you write. That
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  Speaker 5: should be your thing. So I started doing it. And
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  Speaker 5: at that time, Top liners, and just for anybody who's
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  Speaker 5: not educated on how music works, so a producer is
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  Speaker 5: a songwriter. A lyric and melody person is a songwriter.
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  Speaker 5: We're all called songwriters, but they are top line, which
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  Speaker 5: is lyric and melody. That's the guy who writes the
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  Speaker 5: lyrics and words and melody. And there's a producer, a
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  Speaker 5: guy who historically has been known to produce the music.
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  Speaker 5: He's considered the producer, even though the top line guy
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  Speaker 5: could also be the producer. Now, when I was coming
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  Speaker 5: up in the business industry, The top liner didn't get
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  Speaker 5: the recognition. It was always the guy who made the beat, i.e. Timbaland,
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  Speaker 5: Rodney Jerkins, Pharrell, you know, those guys who made the tracks.
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  Speaker 5: So to give attention to people like myself who were
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  Speaker 5: writing a lyric and melody, I started doing my tags
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  Speaker 5: on every song that I wrote and putting the turn
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  Speaker 5: of lights on on records. And that's how it came about.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, It became a thing around.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody does it now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody does it now. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And a lot of people credited to hearing me doing
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  Speaker 5: it early on. And a lot of people just feel
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  Speaker 5: like this is just a new wave. And either way,
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  Speaker 5: it's great because we all, that's our calling card. We're
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  Speaker 5: only as good as the last thing we've done. And
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  Speaker 5: to make sure that our name makes noise in the marketplace,
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  Speaker 5: we have to establish and brand ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: That's super important.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: See how, you're right.
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  Speaker 4: I thought the whole time y'all was just like, he
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't fuck with the lights on.
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  Speaker 3: So he was like, turn the lights on.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what people started doing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I did.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, go ahead, nigga, turn the lights on.
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  Speaker 2: He said, do.
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  Speaker 3: That shit. That's a good way to look at it, too, though.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about your creative process.
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  Speaker 4: Because writing these beautiful songs, There Goes My Baby, it's
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  Speaker 4: so eloquent and thought-provoking. What is your creative process to
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  Speaker 4: make these songs that everybody jams to?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think, first and foremost, I'm a fan
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  Speaker 5: of really great songwriting. You know, from the Beatles to
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  Speaker 5: Stevie to... you know, Def Leppard to, you know, Mariah
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  Speaker 5: Carey and Janet and all those classic iconic songs. So
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  Speaker 5: what I think my process is more than anything is
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  Speaker 5: understanding a chord progression. I think a piano progression or
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  Speaker 5: a guitar progression, those four chords, I think there's so
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  Speaker 5: many different melodies live inside of those chords. So my
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  Speaker 5: process is usually sitting at a piano, sitting at a guitar,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't play instruments. but sitting with a piano player,
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  Speaker 5: sitting with a guitar player, and going through a chord progression.
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  Speaker 5: And the one that sticks, I try to make a
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  Speaker 5: melody fit inside of that progression. And that's usually how
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  Speaker 5: I create. It's kind of like building it around the
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  Speaker 5: actual song. The reason why is when a song is
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  Speaker 5: stripped and it's just the lyric and the guitar, lyric
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  Speaker 5: and the piano, then you know the full essence and
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  Speaker 5: you can feel the melody and you can feel the
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  Speaker 5: richness and the wholesomeness of the melody. And when you
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  Speaker 5: have a rich, wholesome melody, you can build music around anything,
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  Speaker 5: but you can't make a shit song sound great. But
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  Speaker 5: what you can do is you can make a great
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  Speaker 5: song sound greater when you put incredible production around a song.
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  Speaker 5: So I want to make sure that if you strip
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  Speaker 5: all of my songs, it still feels good without music.
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  Speaker 5: The lyric and the melody stand alone.
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  Speaker 2: So I listen to Apple. I usually stream my music
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  Speaker 2: on Apple, right? And anytime I'm listening to a new
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  Speaker 2: song or maybe a song I hadn't heard in a
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  Speaker 2: long time, I always go to the lyrics. Who the
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  Speaker 2: fuck wrote this? This is how I feel when I
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  Speaker 2: hear certain things in the song. Who wrote this?
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  Speaker 5: Also taking consideration for a sample or interpolation, that person
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  Speaker 5: is credited. So a lot of times when you see
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  Speaker 5: like 10, 15 names, it's because if they sampled Mo
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  Speaker 5: Money Mo Brahms by Diddy and Mase and Biggie, right?
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  Speaker 5: If they sampled that, then not only did Mase, Diddy,
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  Speaker 5: Amin Ra or CBJ or whoever made the beat and Biggie,
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  Speaker 5: not only are they accredited, but the people that they
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  Speaker 5: sampled from are accredited.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. And then if they sampled from somebody, it would
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  Speaker 3: be what they sampled from.
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  Speaker 5: So a lot of times you see all these names
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  Speaker 5: and they'll be like, oh, such and such got all
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  Speaker 5: these people writing a song.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's the sample. That's everybody.
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  Speaker 5: But they deserve the credit because their contribution to the
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  Speaker 5: original record.
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  Speaker 3: Made the song what it is.
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  Speaker 5: So when you look at that, a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: it's that. Myself, I'm what they call a 100 percenter
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  Speaker 5: or a 50 percenter. So I write majority of every
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  Speaker 5: record I've ever written, I've written it by myself. No
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  Speaker 5: disrespect to people who collaborate. But my process was always
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  Speaker 5: kind of so fast that I wrote a lot of
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  Speaker 5: my hit records alone. So you would only see my
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  Speaker 5: name and maybe a Jim Johnson or a Danger. And
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  Speaker 5: sometimes the artists will get publishing on the record. That's
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  Speaker 5: their real estate. And they own that real estate. So
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  Speaker 5: to pay a tax, sometimes you have to give a
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  Speaker 5: piece of the publishing to the artist, which is fair business.
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  Speaker 5: And so you'll see their name. But for the most part,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of like try to stay away from the
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  Speaker 5: heavy samples.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? On some records I sampled.
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  Speaker 2: Throwback was a heavy sample now. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: don't know the original song.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Dionne Warwick, Want Me Back. Yeah, that was the first
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  Speaker 5: song I wrote. That's amazing. That was a heavy sample song.
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  Speaker 5: And they took 50% of.
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  Speaker 3: That record, too. They deserve it.
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  Speaker 5: That production and that riff and that transition and the progression.
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  Speaker 5: It was sick. It was just timeless and it just,
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  Speaker 5: it made for, it made it very easy for me
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  Speaker 5: to write the song.
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  Speaker 4: So, okay, a song like There Goes My Baby was
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  Speaker 4: like a fat ass walking by your girlfriend, like at
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  Speaker 4: the time, walking by with no drawers on you, like.
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  Speaker 1: There goes my baby. How do the thoughts come to you?
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  Speaker 1: Is it something like that?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I had just suffered a really crazy tragedy in
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  Speaker 5: my life, to be totally honest, and I went straight
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  Speaker 5: to the studio the next day. So when I was
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  Speaker 5: writing the record, honestly, it was an idea about This
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  Speaker 5: girl is the most beautiful girl in the world, and
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  Speaker 5: I didn't realize it until just this moment. And she's
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  Speaker 5: taking forever to get ready. I'm sitting at the edge
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  Speaker 5: of the bed, and I look up, and I see
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  Speaker 5: this girl, and I'm like, oh, my God, there goes
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  Speaker 5: my baby.
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  Speaker 2: Niggas be forgetting you look good.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, really.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're saying it funny, but a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: men will forget what they have or the quality of
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  Speaker 5: the woman that they have.
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  Speaker 3: So sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: You get too familiar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you get really, and in all things, right?
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  Speaker 5: Don't we get familiar with, you know, in business, we
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  Speaker 5: get familiar with in friendships and relationships and all these things.
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  Speaker 5: So the idea of the song is for a guy
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  Speaker 5: to just kind of sit back and reflect like, oh shit,
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  Speaker 5: my shorty is bad.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Girl, look at you.
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  Speaker 5: So I wanted to create a moment that has so
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  Speaker 5: many different meanings, but just felt so good. Like the
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  Speaker 5: goal for every song is to make sure it just
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  Speaker 5: feels good to people.
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  Speaker 3: And they can interpret it any way they want.
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  Speaker 5: And even when they listen to it now, I bet
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  Speaker 5: when people listen to it now, when he says, bet
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  Speaker 5: you ain't know that I'll be checking you out when.
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  Speaker 3: You be putting your heels on.
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  Speaker 2: I love that song, man.
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  Speaker 3: That's why your body's so perfect, baby. How you work it, baby.
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  Speaker 3: Like he's like, Wow, I love the way that you
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  Speaker 3: be poking it out. Girl, give me something. It's like
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  Speaker 3: he's paying attention to her now in this moment, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And then also a little nugget was that I was
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  Speaker 5: a huge fan of Usher and Chili Dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody was, for real.
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  Speaker 5: So when you listen to the second verse, I said,
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  Speaker 5: I get the chills whenever I see your face and
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  Speaker 5: you in the place. I feel like I'm in a movie, baby.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, ooh-wee, baby.
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  Speaker 5: Like waterfalls, your hair falls down to your waist.
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  Speaker 3: Can I get a taste? No need to creep because, baby,
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  Speaker 3: I ain't ashamed. Why calling your name? I was naming
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  Speaker 3: TLC songs.
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  Speaker 1: You was getting him some pussy there. That's what you
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  Speaker 1: was doing.
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  Speaker 2: From everybody else except Chili.
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  Speaker 5: I was trying to drop the nuggets in there. I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to hint at this idea of him and Chili.
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  Speaker 5: I always thought that that was an incredible pairing. And
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  Speaker 5: I love Jen, Usher's current girlfriend. And I think she's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: But at that point in my life, I was so
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  Speaker 5: young and I was so enamored with the idea.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody wanted Chili, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Chili is just such a, you know, beautiful individual.
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  Speaker 3: So I just kind of threw that nugget in there.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people may miss that, but when you
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  Speaker 5: listen to There Goes My Baby, you listen to that
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  Speaker 5: second verse, I definitely had Chili in mine.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I got a question.
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  Speaker 4: Because there's a lot of niggas out here making beautiful
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  Speaker 4: music for Facebook and SoundCloud and that's it, right?
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  Speaker 1: And it never goes nowhere.
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  Speaker 4: How did you get into a place where everybody is like, one,
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  Speaker 4: let me get Rico Love on it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me get Rico.
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  Speaker 3: Love on it.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, blessed enough and fortunate enough to have
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  Speaker 5: existed before social media, which is an incredible asset, an
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  Speaker 5: incredible tool to so many creatives. But it also widens. See,
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  Speaker 5: the door to go through to make it is the
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  Speaker 5: same size. It's just the access to get to that
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  Speaker 5: door is easier.
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  Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 5: What I mean by that is there are 150,000 songs
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  Speaker 5: uploaded every day to Spotify. So what that means is
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  Speaker 5: we're going down one door, one corridor, but it's just
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  Speaker 5: the directions to get there is a lot easier. Whereas
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  Speaker 5: back in the day, you had to know somebody, you
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  Speaker 5: had to perform, you had to be super talented. People
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  Speaker 5: had to see something special in you. They had a
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  Speaker 5: team that would cultivate and develop it. Now it's like
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  Speaker 5: develop it at home, do it yourself, put it out.
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  Speaker 5: If it sticks, we want to give you money for it. So-
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  Speaker 5: In that sense, the business is a lot more difficult.
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  Speaker 5: But in another sense, it's a lot easier because you
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  Speaker 5: can upload something, put it out. If it connects, if
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  Speaker 5: you build an audience, you can... gain revenue from it.
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  Speaker 5: You can build a following. You can potentially get a
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  Speaker 5: deal and make a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: We better make a video.
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  Speaker 4: And next thing you know, you're outside on stage singing,
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  Speaker 4: my booty brown, my pussy whole, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: That is wild to me.
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  Speaker 2: You know them words, girl. Don't do sexy red. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. Hold on, my booty pink.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Excuse me. It's confusing. My pussy pink, my booty whole brown.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: That's wild to me.
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: It's funny because I don't go out a lot, but
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: I went out a few weeks ago and I saw
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: guys singing it.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: You saw Duvall weekend this past weekend. Duvall had his...
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: It was everybody. The guys was... Somebody commented and was like,
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I swore I just heard somebody say, ski-wee. Man.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: It's just the way of the world.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: So that was actually one of my questions, though, because
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: of social media and stuff. So even back then, do
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: you think it's... In your opinion, is it talent or
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: hard work that actually gets people.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: Hard work is going to always keep you consistent.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: Now, the thing about getting in the business, because it's
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: such a crapshoot, you can get in there.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: It's a roll of the dice.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: You can roll seven on the first roll, and you
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: can actually make it into the business. But there's a
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: technique and a skill that comes into consistently hitting your number.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: And I think that it takes hard work to sustain anything, right?
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: But to get in the business, it does not necessarily
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: take the hard work, and that's the problem. For some,
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: it takes extreme level of consistency, persistence, and hard work.
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: But for others, it's just I threw something up. I
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: started rapping six months ago. I started rapping a month ago.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: My first song I put out hit. So then what
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: happens is those who stick around, they are the ones
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: that you know are actually talented. So when Glorilla first
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: came out, you didn't know what it was going to be.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: But I see the consistent work. I can tell that
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: she works extremely hard. So when I watch her, I'm like, okay.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: Everything that's happening for her, she deserves because she didn't
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: just take it. Now, Cardi B the same way. Cardi
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: B is an artist who I didn't think was super talented,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: but the work that goes into it and the consistency
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: and the dedication to the craft. So if you can
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: find a way to obsess over the actual art and
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: not just over the making the money, then I think that,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: and obviously you want to be lucrative. You want to
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: make money.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: You want to be successful.
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: But if you can find a way to obsess over
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: the art, then I think that's more about character than
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: it is about moods and i say this a lot
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: your character should be consistent your mood can change who
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: you are is going to be consistent the way you
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: do anything is the way you do everything.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: So when you when you think about that when you.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Think about that you gotta understand like if if somebody
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: was in a trap and he was dedicated little baby
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: was in the streets and he was known for getting
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: some money so his dedication to consistently be able to
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: earn in the streets transitioned over to his music and
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: when he started making music He took the same mindset,
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: the same hustle, the same consistency.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: The way you do anything is the way you do everything.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: And that's why he's able to sustain success in the
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: music business. And I think that if you ask me
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: what's more important, I say the hard work is more important.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: But we live in an era where the talent is
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: not even necessarily more important. It's about how much emotion
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: you have. If you got enough movement and traction around
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: you as an artist, if people believe you, if people
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: buy into you, they'll convince themselves that they like your music.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: And that's the difference.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Now, if you have convinced them to love you, and
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: you make great music, it's an incredible win for you.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Right. So when we talk about business, you know, people say, oh,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: business is business. But like you said, how you do
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: one thing is how you do everything. So do you
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: go along? Do you think that a person can separate
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: their actual personality from the business? You know, because people
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: do a lot of shady shit in business, right? And
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: they'll just say business is business, right?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: But that's you.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: That's how I feel.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Whenever there's paperwork, whenever there's a huge conglomerate that has
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: to earn, has to make money off X's and O's,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: you have to understand that they are going to stick
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: to the rule book. And when you go into a contract,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: you're making relationships with this president. You're making a relationship
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: with this A & R. And you believe that because
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: this A & R... told you that he believed in
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: you or she believed in you and they bought into
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: your brand and they put their arm around you and
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: they fuck with you for a long time and then
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: things started to change and you weren't as productive and
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: you weren't as financially lucrative as you once were, then
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: you believed that the portrayal was between them and you. No,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: what happens is they have higher ups that they have
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: to answer to. Even the CEO has to answer to somebody, right?
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: He's the chief executive operator, right? He runs the machine,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: but they are boarded And there are ownership that says
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: you have to answer to us and you need to
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: make sure that you're turning this around. So when you
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: don't do what you need to do, you blame the
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: inconsistency of the business.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: There's no love in the business. There's no love in
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the industry.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: And the problem is that people think that the music
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: business is any way different than any other business. Whenever
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: you have legal and you have paperwork, you have people
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: that have to be paid and you have checks and balances,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: there will be a time where they're going to ask you,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Who was productive and who was not? And if you
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: were productive, I don't care how long this relationship has lasted.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: I don't care how cool you are. I don't care
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: how much I love you, how you know my kids
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: and how we hung out and how at one point
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you were the king of this label. If you no
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: longer earn, then our time together has to end. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: that's with sports. That's in McDonald's.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: That's in anywhere.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: So I think that people have this idea that the
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: music business is more shady or more about business and
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: business is business than any other corporation or conglomerate. They
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: all function in a way that says, if you are productive,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: you have a space here at the table. Now, we'll
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: keep you around as long as we can until I
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: have to answer to my higher-ups and say, what's up
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: with such and such? What are we doing with this?
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Because every time they do a project, every time they
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: go in the studio, we got to pay for this.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Every time they put out a song, we got to
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: pay them this. Because of the deal that we did
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: for them back in the day that earns them a
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: certain amount, it's costing us too much. We got to
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: get rid of it. So in a sense, people will say,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the business is shady, but every business that has to
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: do with paperwork is going to go by what the
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: paperwork says, and they're going to honor that paperwork for
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: as long as you are beneficial to them.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Right. And on top of that, everything in life is negotiable.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So get a lawyer. You know, read. People just be
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: signing shit to get the check.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: But even with.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: That being said, everything is, if you are productive, then
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: you can change any contract. That's the crazy thing about
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: the business. Lady Gaga's first deal was not the same
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: deal she did after her album. After her first album
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: came out and was extremely successful, she was able to say,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I want to do this or I'm not doing another record.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, She's so successful
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: that we have to come to the table. And that's
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: how you have to look at it. So if you
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: aren't successful, you have to understand it's the reverse.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: That they're going to say, yeah, we know we did
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: this paperwork, but we really kind of just want to
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: sever tabs. It's costing us too much. So we have
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: the right to get rid of this situation and walk
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: away from the situation at any moment. Just like you
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: should have the right to say, hey, I just sold
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: 30 million albums. I would like to redo my entire
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: deal and structure it differently. And I would like this
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: person not to be involved.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Y'all can pay them. I would like this person not
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to be involved. Y'all can pay them off.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I want to have sole ownership and partnership between you, me,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: and the label. And guess what? The record company will
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: sit down and go to you. You could have discovered her.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: You could have came and brought her to the table
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: or him to the table and the record company would
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: come to you and say, hey, here's a check.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: We're sorry, but you're not.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Meg Thee Stallion, I think, is an example of that, right?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Because she did not, she wasn't trying to leave. When
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you say he ain't speaking on that shit. I'll talk
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: about it right quick. She wasn't trying to leave 501.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: She just wanted to renegotiate her contract. Like, I'm pretty sure.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say this.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I'm going to say this, and I'm going to say
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: this about all things. All things in life. I don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: care what a person has told you. I don't care what.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: You heard and how.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Emotional they may have been when they said it, we
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: only know their perspective and their point of view. And
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: it wouldn't be fair for us to even give an
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: idea of what happened based on one person's take on it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Not talk about her contract. I'm not talking about the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: whole shit with Oboy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: We don't have her contract either. You know what I mean?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: But the courts have been siding with her, essentially.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I can't speak on that. But what I can say
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: is I only know- And she got an.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Apology from that nigga.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: One perspective. Sometimes you got to apologize.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And what's the other rapper from Texas? She just left
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: 5-1-1 as well.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, Erica Banks?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: You know what's really unfortunate though also is that there's
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: situations where sometimes you, I've signed a lot of female
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: artists and I haven't been able to break a female artist.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: And the problem is that no matter what I've invested
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: into them, like if you look on my page, anybody
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: who follow me, they know that I'll post my artists
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: 500 miles an hour. I will always promote and talk
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: about my artists. I'll put everything I have into them.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: And when it doesn't work out, people forget all of
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: those things that you've done. They only realize, oh, it
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: didn't work out. It must be Rico's fault, right?
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: That nigga had me in a 360 and I ain't
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: give a shit.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Right. Meanwhile, they never made a dollar for me in
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: no way.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: All I've ever did was put into it and it
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: never gave me a return on any of those situations, right?
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: So regardless of whatever, I've read comments from people that says,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Rico did this and Rico did this.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And Rico did this.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: So even when I look at a situation like, well,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: didn't another girl quit or leave his label or didn't
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: another girl do this?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I still only know that person's perspective.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Because when you are the boss, when you are at
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: the top, it does not benefit you to go back
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: and forth on social media with somebody. Oh, this is
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: what really happened. It's not becoming of a boss. It's
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: not becoming of a leader. This doesn't look cool. So
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: a lot of times we have to allow, especially in
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: this business, sometimes for rants, sometimes the artists will go
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: crazy and lose their mind on you. And sometimes you
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: just have to allow it because as a boss, you
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: can't be, what? This is, it's just too much. So
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: that person could be wrong. This person could be right
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: and vice versa. But I think that to assume that
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: just because this person says something that it has to
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: be true, then that part of it, or just because
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: this person didn't respond to it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: You saw fit that it has to be true. It's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: not necessarily the truth.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I get that. You know, because I am tired
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of battling people's perspective nowadays.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: You kind of just got to let it live.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Fuck your perspective.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And over time, over time, everything, especially in the business world. No,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: it ain't shade to me.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like. No, it ain't shade to you. It's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the internet, bitch, at this point. It ain't to me.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: But over time, regardless of whatever, the truth will come
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: out or things will play out.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: And people will see the consistencies and the characters. Absolutely.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: And they'll see it, they'll watch it, notice some things,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: and they'll say, oh, all right, this is starting to
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: make sense.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: There goes that thing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have one question before we go to break.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Give us your Mount Rushmore of R & B.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Artists, writers, what?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: However you want to throw it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson is number one.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Period. Okay.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Off the wall.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to go with Stevie Wonder.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And then you get two people. It's four?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: And then I got to go Usher, not just because
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: he discovered me, but I just listened to his tone.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I think it's the most incredible, distinct tones in the
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: history of music. And then you got to go Beyonce,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: because the only reason I can't say Prince is because
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I consider Prince more rock, R & B, soul. But
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: if we want to go straight R & B, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: got to go with Stevie, Mike, Usher, B, because they
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: are people from before my era, during my era, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: you know... The ones that I think I patterned my
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: love for music behind.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I like your list, but I definitely Prince.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: No, no, I love Prince.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: But I'm just saying if I had to choose between Prince, Michael,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: and Stevie, I think Prince was a way more well-rounded
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: artist in all genres. So if you gave me a
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: round rush more music in general, then I would have
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: to take out Usher and B.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I would put Prince in that spot. But if you
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: give me R & B, I got to go. I prefer.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: these people because of sentimental value and reasoning also, as
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: well as the iconic figures that they are and the
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: impact and the contributions they made to the R &
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: B art form in its entirety.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: So one more question before we go to break. Who
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: is on your hit list of people you haven't worked
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: with yet and you want to work with? Wow.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Rufus Wainwright is an incredible artist. I think you guys
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: should look him up. He had an album called Want One.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: That changed my life. I used to be extremely homophobic,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: as most people in our community were. And when I
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: heard this record he wrote called Natasha, where he was.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Rufus?
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Rufus Wainwright. He has a song called Natasha. And I
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: interpreted him telling his girlfriend he was gay. And I
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: just thought it was genius. So Rufus Wainwright is one
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: of the guys I would love to work with. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: definitely would love to do an entire project with Kanye West. Like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: if me and Ye could do a project together.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I keep telling him to call me. He ain't called
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: me yet.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: He tripping, right?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Did y'all see him yesterday? Well, I don't know. He
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: has this other page. I don't know what the hell.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show you right now.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Kanye is tripping. Speaking of other pages and artists, let's
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: say Kendrick Lamar.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And I love his new account. What's he called? The Burner? Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Finster.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Finster.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: And so, and then Finally, I know that this is,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: I would love to do an album with Usher. And
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: I've done a project with him. I've done a lot
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: of his songs that I've written hits for him. I
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: got even new records getting ready to come out of
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: him soon. But I would want to do a whole
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: album with me and Usher. Just let me executive produce
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: the project. That would be my dream.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Super dope.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Why you can't make that happen? That should be easy, right?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: It's not easy, but I would love for it to happen.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Usher, make that happen. All right, y'all. So it wouldn't
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: be right to have somebody on We Talk Back named
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Rico Love and not talk about love because y'all know
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: we love talking about relationships. I'm actually tired of it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so this past week I was having a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: conversation with a friend of mine and we started talking
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: about unconditional love. Right. And so I asked him, is
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: it possible for him? Does he think it's possible for
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: him to love someone unconditionally? And he was like, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think like he didn't know he was unsure.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, no, you know, the only person that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I love unconditionally is me. Right. Because I'm always forgive myself.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I'm always have empathy for myself. But sometimes people do
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: things that are kind of unforgivable. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Like if I walk away, is that really displaying unconditional love?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: So how do you feel about unconditional love?
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Because love is a feeling, because love is a mind,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: a space that you place somebody in your heart and
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: your mind. then unconditional love, it has to exist to me.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: And also because of my belief system, right? So I
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: believe in God, and I believe God in such a
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: strong reverence. I have such a reverence for him, right?
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: And I understand that if love is God, then it's never-ending.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: It's always present. It's always an existing thing. Now, my
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: actions behind how I allow this person to fit into
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: my schedule, into my life, into my psyche, That's different.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: But the feeling I have for someone is unconditional. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: meaning I never in the history of my life would
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: go out of my way to hurt anyone. I never
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: would try my best to target someone and say, let
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: me figure out a way to get this person.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody ever consciously thinks that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: But I can remove myself from anybody who I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: feel like have my best interests in mind or if
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: we don't feel.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Like we're any longer compatible.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: But the love that I have for them will make
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: it so that in any situation, I genuinely, from the
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: bottom of my heart, want what's best for them. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I don't think that unconditional love is unreasonable of its
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: task to ask for or a thing to ask for.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: But I just think that to ask that somebody is
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: always present in your life and always the go-to person
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: for you when you need them, that part of it
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: isn't reasonable. But when we think about love, even though
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: love is an action, we also have to remember that
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: love sometimes means that I love you enough to give
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: you the space. Because if I love you, right, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: you aren't allowing me, in my own mind, because obviously
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: we make our own choices, but you aren't allowing me
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: to be the best version of myself, then for the
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: better of our relationship.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I'd rather remove myself.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Because sometimes you're removing yourself for a time It could
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: mean that you'll reconcile later in a time where I
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: was able to heal from some things, you was able
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: to heal from some things. We can really participate in
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: a relationship, friendship, whatever that is, in a more mature space.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: But that love can never not exist.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: So that's why when I tell people, people disagree with
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: me strongly when I say that you can only be
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: in love once. So a lot of people get angry
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: when I say that. I don't know why they get
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: angry because that's just my perspective. But I always tell people,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I believe you can only be in love once. I
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: believe that we are wrong about so many things.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with you.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: So have you had your one already?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I agree with that.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: But I just think that we're in a space where
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: so many things can be wrong.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: We can say we're wrong about so many things.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: You're always a hypocrite when you're learning.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: But we refuse to acknowledge that maybe we were wrong
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: about being in love with somebody.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And I think that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That dick was so good.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I love him.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: That's lust.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm in lust with that nigga. Right.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: A lot of time spent with a person and you
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: believe that that was my soulmate. And that doesn't mean
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: that that's not necessarily the truth. And what it can
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: mean is that for that period, it didn't work and
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: then it can work later. It can mean that also.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: But I do believe that if it's only one person
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: for me, then how can I be in love with others?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: The way love works in my mind is an ongoing thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: It cannot turn off. You can't turn love off. So
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: when I think about love, I think about God. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: I know there are inconsistencies in everything that we do,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: but the one thing that has to be constant is
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: our want for somebody to do well and to be
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: the best version of themselves. There was an interview where
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Kim Kardashian said the other day, like, I want the old.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Kanye back, right?
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: She said, I want the old, I want to have
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: that back. So what that tells me is that her
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: love for him didn't change. She was in a situation
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: from her perspective, and I don't know both sides of
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: the story, but from her perspective, what she was saying
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: to me, in my opinion, was, This no longer worked
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: for me when he was this way.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And it was a change that happened. But if he
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: was this way.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: We'd still be together.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: I think we could still have worked it out. But
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: for this, this was destroying me personally.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: So when I look at that, I realize that they're...
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: But isn't that a condition? No, no. The condition is
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: where she stayed.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You're still going to have boundaries with conditions.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Her staying was the condition. Her love for this person
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: is unconditional. Because if I couldn't stay because of this.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: But if it was this way, I could stay. But
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: the love can't go anywhere.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's fair.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: And I think that sometimes we kind of like refuse
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: to really recognize like when people are like, I've been
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: in love six times.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: How is that possible?
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: But love don't work like that because you can't be
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: out of it. It's a covenant.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: So once you enter a covenant.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: No, I feel like being in love and loving someone
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: is totally two different things, right? Because being in love
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: is a state of mind. So if you're in a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: relationship and you're not doing things to continuously fall in
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: love with your person every single day. You're arguing, fussing, fighting.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: You left your drawers on the floor. Like you're going
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to be falling out of love. Right? So I agree
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you can fall out of love, though.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: That's the thing that's the only iffy part.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: That's saying there's a thin line between love and hate
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: is a real thing.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: What I'm saying is that you can believe that you
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: were in love with this person.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: At that time.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: At that time.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Which is why I agree with you when you said
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you only can be in love once.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: And you can realize later that I was not in
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: love with this person. So what happens is.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It's usually when you get some new dick. I could
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: not have possibly loved that nigga because I love this nigga.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I love this nigga.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: I just think that over time you'll realize like, oh,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: this has run its course. And I felt like this
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: was something. But over time I realized that I'm not
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: willing to endure any of this that's going on with
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: this person. So now sometimes you're not willing to endure
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: those things with a person because they are hooked on drugs,
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: because they went to jail. It doesn't mean that that
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: might not be the person that you were meant to
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: be with. Sometimes you might end up with the person
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: you weren't meant to be with.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: And the person you were.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Truly supposed to be with is the three relationships ago.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I think that's very much possible. But I also know
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: that if I say that I'm in love with someone
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: and I really mean it in the true essence of
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: what love means to me, to me, love is a covenant.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Love is a covenant that is, you can't break this
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: covenant because I correlate love with God. So the consistencies
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: of who God is, and also, I guess it's up
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: for debate because some people don't believe in God in
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the way that I do. So that's why when people
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: get frustrated with my perspective, I'm always kind of like,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: puzzled because I'm like, it's just my perspective.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So you believe in the internal God or the external God?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Because mine is internal.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: See, I believe that God is omnipresent. So everything about
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: who God is is internal, but we are God's work
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: in the earth. So I am the external working of
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: who God is in me, right? So I do understand
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: that over time, things can reveal themselves to you and
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: you realize... thought that this was this but it wasn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: and that's okay I was wrong about this thing doesn't
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: mean I went bad for that person it doesn't mean
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I regret the experience but what I can realize is
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: that this is what not what I thought it would
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: be or what I wished it to be or what
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I tried to force it to be right and I
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: also believe that when you do find that thing and
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: it everything about you everything you believe everything you thought
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: that you would never do it'll trigger those things and
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: it'll make you decide to do things.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: That you I know I've been doing a lot of
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: shit lately I'll never do Yeah, you told me about
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: some of those things. Like, what the fuck is happening?
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: All right, so based on your definition, that means that
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: you feel like most people have never.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Been in love.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I can't judge by most people. That's not my business.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: That's God's business.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: My perspective is what I believe love to be. I
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: do believe that people use the word loosely. I believe
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: that people use most terms loosely. I believe people call
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: something amazing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: That's just okay.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Brilliant.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Mediocre.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: So I think that I do believe that when it
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: comes to being in love, people can become, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: I was in a space maybe a couple years ago,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: two years ago, where I was like, everybody I was
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: going out on a date with, I was thinking, oh, wow,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: this could be it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Because I thought that's what I wanted.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: So then unfairly, I was giving a lot of people,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: maybe a few people too much time that I feel
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: like maybe I realized shortly after.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: That it wasn't warranted, right?
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: So I think that we go through these phases in
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: our lives where we think certain things. Who I am
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: today is not who I was a year ago. Who
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I am today is not who I was five years ago.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: So I had to give myself space to grow and
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: understand through those things. But I think love is the
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: same way. The love is one of those things that
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: you can't outgrow. You can grow to a different space
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: in who you are, but it goes back to mood
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: and character. Your character is one thing and your mood
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: is a different thing. And how you behave and how
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: you respond to things It should not be based on
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: your mood and only be based on your character.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: And that's how love is.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: I respond to you based on how much I love
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: you and not how mad you upset you made me.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: And I think that when you realize what love truly is,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: then it's defining how to correct yourself.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: In those senses. You know what I mean?
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: And when I respond with love, I think more so
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: about what's best for me. All parties involved and not
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: just how I feel.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: In the moment. Shut up, bitch. No, hold on. What
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I was about to say was God is love, right?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But in the Bible, it was a lot of shit
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: God was doing to people, right? A lot of wraths.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: You feel a wrath of God, right? So it wasn't always.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: What did he do to people?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Cause destruction. God did cause destruction in the Bible.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: To people.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: That boat. No, no, let me tell you.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: What do you mean the boat?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Noah's Ark.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Everybody died that wasn't on the boat.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Noah left everybody else.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: But again, it's all about perspective, right? God hates sin, right?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: But what's sin? Sin is subjective.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying. It's all about perspective. Didn't
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I just say that?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, you did.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Okay. So it's all about perspective. God hates sin.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, you did.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: So God said to everybody, he said to everybody... This
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: is going to happen to this place. If you don't
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: get right in this place, I'm going to flood this place.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I flood this motherfucking place.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So he didn't say it to everybody. He told Noah
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and Noah told everybody.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: He told everybody, but that's how God speaks.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: That's how he speaks.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Then you got to trust Noah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, so what you have to understand is Noah was saying,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: if you behave this way, if you're doing this, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: a lot of times, and I think that's the reason
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: why a lot of people blamed And this is a
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: whole other conversation.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: People blamed Sodom and Gomorrah, the destruction of it, on homosexuals.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't the case. There were all forms of perversions.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Bestiality, people having sex with children, animals, all types of things.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Where are we?
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Babylon?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: But the point is, he said, I'm going to bring
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: wrath on this land. I'm going to destroy this place.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: This is what's about to happen. And Noah, for over
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: 100 years.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: He was trying to tell him this.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Preach to everybody, get right. I'm telling you, he's about
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: to destroy this place. He did not say, I'm going
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: to burn you. Because if that was the case, he
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: wouldn't have had to do it. He could have just
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: picked off people.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: That's next.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: The burning is next.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: That's not what he did. What he said was, I'm
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: going to destroy this place. And it was even a
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: time where he said, don't even look back.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Don't turn back.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, what's the woman who looked back? And he turned
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: his soul.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is, and even, and I know
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of people even listen to that who aren't,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: you know, from that space and they think it's ridiculous.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Even if you don't believe the stories are true, look
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: at the examples of the times that we live in now.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: So even if you think that that sounds goofy, that
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: sounds crazy, You have the right, and I'm not going
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: to argue that with you. What I will say is
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: if you look at the details of it and you
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: say that God never, ever said, I'm going to burn
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: this one man.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do this.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: He said, get right because I'm going to destroy this place.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: And if you're in it, that's what's going to happen.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It's on you, my boy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It's on you, my boy. But I feel like I'm
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: one with nature, right? So if somebody said, I'm going
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to destroy this place, I feel like I'm a part
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: of this place, especially if I'm outside somewhere in a park. Like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a part of that place. If
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I'm swimming in the ocean, I'm a part of that place.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: That's a perspective.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: But I also realize that wherever I am, there is
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: a place. So if this place does not exist, as
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: sentimental as this place may have been to.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Me, I know that there will be another space.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: There will be another place.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: If you understand who you are and that as long
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: as you exist in any place, that is the place.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: And sometimes places and times in particular places have to end.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: So I wouldn't be more attached to the forest or
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: the river or the ocean than I am to my
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: own personal space.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I'm Pocahontas, though. That's fair.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: That's fair. That's fair.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Little homemade. I ain't stupid.
• 41:17
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• 41:18
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• 41:20
  Speaker 2: right quick. All right, Rico, we want to get into
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a game we call Trading Places, right? I know you
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: see a thousand podcasts online. It's always a man versus
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: woman battle. So we want to ask you a series
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: of questions, but it's you waking up tomorrow and being
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a woman for a week.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Rikisha love.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So first, are you paying for the first date? As
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: a woman. No. Okay.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Not at all. Okay.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: That's a good answer.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: See. I believe in gender roles. Okay.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. Come on, man. What the fuck? What are we doing?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Game over. That was it, y'all. That was all. Nothing
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: needs else to be said. All right.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Would you go 50-50 on rent or mortgage with your
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: significant other?
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: So, I think that it's a man's responsibility and every...
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I've only been in one major relationship where I've lived
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: with a woman, but I've never, ever had a woman
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: contribute in any way.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: To any bills in that home.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: We ain't going to be mad.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I also don't believe that that's just my
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: way of doing it. So when I look at anybody
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: who does anything different, I always leave that up to
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: them and the decisions that they make. If the woman
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: is okay with going high for her man, then that's
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: not my business.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, real union recently.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that the fact that people were
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: in such an uproar about it, most women who were
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: upset about it were mostly the ones who can't afford
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: to go half.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: On any rent anyway.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: So I think that to be upset about somebody else's
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: situation that they are happy with is fucking ridiculous.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I've never lived that way. But I also
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: know that sometimes you might be in a situation in
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: a bind.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I'm in a bind, Nate.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: And I think sometimes you might be in a situation
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: where things are going good and they abruptly go bad.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: It would be amazing to have somebody there who could say,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: don't worry, babe. You've been holding it down for all
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: this time.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: You got this until you get back right. Or at
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: least do the landscaping, right? Yeah. That's true.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: That was an inside joke.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: But I just think that it's incredible to have somebody
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: who could be there to pick up some slack when you,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: if need be.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: And I think that, I.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Think in my heart that a woman who is in
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: love with a man and really cares about him, if
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: things go bad, I think she can't wait to help.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: She can't wait to jump in there.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Grateful.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? And sometimes a woman might
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: not be in a position to do so. So that's
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: no shade to women who may not be in a
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: position to do that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I got head and dinner, baby.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: My mental, my mental space, my daughter who's eight years old,
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: I want to groom and build her up to be
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: a woman who's self-sufficient and who has everything, can handle
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: herself and take care of herself. But I also know
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: that if she's in a relationship with a man, he's
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: going to.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Have to take care of her because she's used to
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: her father taking care of her.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: So in order for me to give her away in
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: a sense, then I'm giving her away to somebody who's
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: going to take on the.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Role that I have in her life.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: But I don't feel like it'll be a chore for
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: him because his relationship should, when I'm in a relationship,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: It's not a chore for me to do for the
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: woman I'm in a relationship with. So even the job
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: of a man, I think, in my opinion, is to
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: make sure he takes care of the home in that
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: particular way. And the job of a woman is to
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: make sure she takes care of the home in the
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: way that she takes care of the home. So I
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: just think that I believe in those roles.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I saw a video the other day, just very quick.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It was an Asian guy, Asian family getting married. He
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: was handing his daughter off, and he told the groom,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: if at any time you fall out of love with
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: my daughter, please just bring her back to me. Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: That's some art of war shit. Because basically, to me,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: what he was saying is, I'm going to kill you. No, no.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: I interpret that differently. I would say the same thing.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Because what it's saying is, if you don't want to
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: be here, then don't make my daughter.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Suffer through you not wanting to be here. Right.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Bring her back.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: How about you bring her back to me and I'll
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: be there for her.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: With that unconditional love.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: I would prefer that you move on with your life
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: and let me. Be the figure for her that I've
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: always been.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: That I've relinquished that duty and that title to you
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: to have. Give it back to me because I always
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: take it back. I don't think it was anything malicious
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: about that statement. It was like, we go through things.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: And sometimes a man or a woman can wake up
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: one day and realize, I don't want to be here anymore.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: So he's saying, don't treat her like shit. Don't talk
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: down to her.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Just give her back. Bring my baby back.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Let her come on home.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: So they were never in love by your definition.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Well, they were getting married.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't speak to that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: They were getting married.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Are you getting on one knee as a woman and
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: asking for a man's hand in marriage?
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You're so in love, though.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And he hasn't asked in 15 years. No. Middle part
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: or side part as a woman?
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Middle part.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: All right. Bust down the middle. That's my fave. Bust down, Tatiana.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I like bangs, too.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: You like bangs?
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Bangs are back in style.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I like bangs.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I be missing my forehead, though, sometimes. It's too hot
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: for bangs.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: You miss your forehead when you have bangs?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: When I get a bang, yeah. Yeah.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Are you smashing on the first date?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't judge.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: You only got a week as a woman now.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I don't judge.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I judge everything by the chemistry, right? So if it's
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: in the moment and it feels good, then go for it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't judge a person off of that because I
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: know guys who... hung out with a girl and they'd
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: be like, man, I've been dealing with shorty for months
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: and we haven't been able to do nothing.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Then I know guys that meet her.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: And hang out and they do it the first day
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: because the connection is different.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I don't judge a person by that, though.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: I judge a person off of, even when we're talking
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: about bills and all that stuff, I believe in gender roles,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: but I also believe in giving it time and having
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: a true, genuine connection. I believe that if a person
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: is expecting me to do something for them without me
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: knowing them or if it's a prerequisite, So it's going
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: on a date is that I cashed out her money
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: for her babysitter.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: That's wild. That's a wild one. Maybe because we don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: have kids. Like, why are these guys got to pay
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: for your babysitter?
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Or even babysitter. Where's the dad?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I don't believe.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Women are asking that. Yes, they are. But it's certain scenarios. No, seriously.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Certain scenarios.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: I've had a person, I invited a person out to
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: hang out with me, and they asked me to send
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: them money for outfits. It's like I'm responsible for your
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: first impression. Like imagine if you told somebody you're responsible.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: For my first, the first impression I'm going to have
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: is how you look, how you dress, how you whatever, everything.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: You're telling me that I'm not only responsible for getting
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: you there, feeding you, clothing you, you want me to
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: clothe you and style you to make the first impression.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: So I think that a lot of times there are
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: requirements that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: We make to men that aren't.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Fair based upon the relationship.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: If the relationship is to the point where a man is,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: All right, if there's a level of convenience, money is
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: only for convenience in my opinion. And if I say
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: to a person, I want to see you, and they say, well,
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: I can't see you because this is in my way.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: If a man has means and he wants to see
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: her bad enough, then he should, if he would like to,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: get rid of that hurdle.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Problem solver, that's what a man is.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: If that means a monetary thing, I'm going to get
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: rid of that because I want to see you this much. Now,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: if a person says, hey, I really want to see you.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I'm married.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You going to get rid of her husband?
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: No, no. I'm not playing with that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: A Colombian necktie.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: If a person is just like, hey, let's hang out. Yeah, sure,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: let's hang out. Oh, well, I would. I can't because
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I got to pay this bill. And it's like, all right, well,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: we don't need to hang out. You know what I mean?
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: It's not that serious.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: But if it's like, I really want to see this person.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Every time I try to see her, this thing is
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: in the way. This thing is in the way.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: This thing is in the way. Let me try to
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: get rid of it.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: She don't got to babysit her. It's in the way.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: So I can get close to her. You know what
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: You woke up pregnant this morning, okay?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: From a one-night stand.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: From a one-night stand. What you doing?
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. I know I love the babies.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Depends on what it depends on my financial situation okay
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: as a woman I think everything should be based on
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: what you could actually do for your child that's it
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: so if I personally as a woman would be able
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: to take care of my child on my own then
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I would keep the child. If I'm saying I'm going
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: to depend on this person who is a stranger to
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: me and what I don't know, then that's adding extra
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: pressure to me and to my life, fighting with this
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: person to take care of a child that they potentially
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: might not want to or might not have the bravery
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: or might be a coward.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Everybody doesn't take that responsibility. So what I would do
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: is if I had.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: The financial means to take care of the baby independent
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: of anybody else, then I'm keeping the baby.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: If not, then I probably wouldn't.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: All right, y'all.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: You heard it from Rika.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: No, hold on. I got one more question because this
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: is like, I feel like this is a scapegoat type
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: thing men do. So at any given moment, you're asked
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: what you want to eat. Do you know what you
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: want to eat? What you eating?
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I know what I want to eat.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: What you eating?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Right now. You hungry? What you want to eat?
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to eat some steak and shrimp.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Where you want to go at? You know, because that's
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the thing. Men always say women don't know. Yeah, I
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: feel like y'all put it off on us because y'all
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: don't ever know what y'all want to eat.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: You know what's crazy about men, though, is men think
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: about where they're going to eat two days in advance.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: That is not true because they get to the menu
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and be mad because there's nothing they like there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: I'm flying back to Miami tonight. I'm not going to
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: eat this late tonight. But let's say I was flying
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: back in the afternoon. I already have in my mind
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: what I want to eat when I get home. I'm
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: already thinking about it. Yesterday, I was thinking about, yeah,
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: I want to go. When I'm here, I always go
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: to the Waterman. So I'm always thinking when I get
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: to Charlotte, I'm going to the Waterman. I'm going to
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: State 48. That's just what I know what I'm going
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: to do. So in my mind, I'm already mentally preparing myself.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: But when I get to Charlotte, I'm going here. When
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: I go to Vegas, when I go to LA, there
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: are places that I love to go to. And I'm saying,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: when I get there, I can't wait because I'm going
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: to go there. So men already prepare these things in
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: their mind beforehand.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I'm talking about a cohabitation situation
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: or a date. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: hitting me up asking me what I want to eat
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: and you mad because I don't know right now. But
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: what do you want to eat? I don't know. And
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: you get there, you see the menu, you don't like
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: it once I pick a place. That's happened to me
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: a thousand times. Yeah, I feel like that's a true story.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: A thousand times I'm like, nigga, this is what I wanted.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: And especially now because I'm eating a certain way, I
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: know exactly what I'm going to eat or the style
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: in which I'm going to eat.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: So it's easy for me. But I can't speak for
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: nobody else. I don't know.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I can tell this is... Give me a hug.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's okay.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Do what you want, baby.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: It's okay, boy.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I like hugs, y'all. Hugs save lives. All right.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: So we're going to get into our final segment. I
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: talked to you about it a little bit earlier. Do
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: you have your story ready for our simp series segment?
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Simp series. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have some simp stories. Boy,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: there's no real easy way to say this, but look.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: And sims are necessary, y'all. Okay? Don't get us wrong.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: I was in a situation where a woman asked me
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: to help her out of a situation and really look
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: out for her.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: So I did.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: I sent her some funds to take care of a situation.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: She was in a bind, right?
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I'm in a bind.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Rico. I was in a bind. And I looked out
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: and then.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: The following week, I'm like, yo, let's hang out. She's like, yeah, yeah,
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: I'll be there. And then she told me, yeah, I'm coming.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: And then she called me a little while before and said,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: I got to leave town.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I got to leave town. And, you know, I'm like, oh,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: she can make it. She reneged on it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: And then I decided to go a different place instead
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: of going to where I said I was going to go.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: She was there with some very cool rappers that I
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: actually like.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yo.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: And it was awkward because they recognized me and they're like, yo, yo.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, hi, guys. I bought her outfit.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: Hope you guys like it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Can I sit with you guys? I contributed in some
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: way to this outing. That was some simp shit. That
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: was some simp shit.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah, that was good.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: So what did she say for herself?
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Nothing. Not a word. Act like she didn't even see me.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: What? How much money was it? Can you share?
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not going to share.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Man, how much money was it? Was it like over
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: 10 grand?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: No, fuck no.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: No, it was high.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: He said her $ 40. I'm like, bitch, why you disappear
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: over a couple hundred dollars?
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: It was a little bit of bread. It wasn't those
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: pennies though.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: And you never spoke to her ever again?
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: In my life.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: Damn.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Bird brains. I'm Birdbrains? No, no, no, the girl.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: The bird, you know, yeah.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: And it was.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: Crazy because, you know, you think about it, and these
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: guys were, you know, on the top of the world
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: at the time. And I was, you know, I was
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: in a breakup, right?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't totally, I was single at the time,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: but like in a breakup single.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes I take about one or two years.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: When you're just like a few months, when you're just
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: kind of like, you're single, you're moving around.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm just like, oh shit, I'm going to go
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: hang out with Shorty. I'm going to do this.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: And a lot of times people get back in relationships
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: because of moments like that.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that shit sent your ass home. Like, ain't
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: nothing out here, man. I'm going back to my bitch.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to tell you, it was the Migos.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, hell no. She played you for the Migos?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: The Migos, yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: But I'm going to say this. It was the beginning
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: of their career. Believe it or not, when Migos first
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: came out... They was on fire with Versace. And then
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: I did a song called They Don't Know. And Migos
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: rapped on a remix. They remixed They Don't Know. So
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: they was already like, I'm not going to say fans
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: of me.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: But I just think they respected my work.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: So they had their remix. And then they started really buzzing. So,
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: you know, I was in that Playboy mode. You know,
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: you're single for a little while. You're like, I'm about
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: to be outside real quick. So I meet the shorty
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: and she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: really need some help with this.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, cool. I sent her a little break.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: For this.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: And then she's like, we're supposed to link up that night.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: And she curbed me. So I'm thinking, she's probably thinking,
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: he's not going to come over. He's not going to this.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: Because I probably.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Usually wouldn't have. But I was like, let me just
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: pull up to this. And I see them.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: That was God.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Because she would have still been taking money for you
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: She wouldn't have still been taking money for me.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get finessed. She probably only stopped
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: talking to you because you saw her. Yeah. With the finesse.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: She would have still been coming around.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: I consider it to be my decision. Because I would
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: have never spoke to her again.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: No, I'm saying if you didn't go to that place,
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: then she could have still been finessing.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I would have continued to be finessed.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Right. Yes. And by the way, when I walked over there,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: she was.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Looking at me like... She didn't give a fuck. She
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: didn't send me a text. I'm so sorry. Nothing.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: What's good?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I don't play with people like that.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: What happened? That's crazy.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: That's awful. Maybe she listens to the show. If you do,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you really owe Rico an apology.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, he has money back. Fuck that apology. Pay me. Right. Right, right.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: What a simp, though.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: No, simps are necessary. Dumb bitches are also necessary, man.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: They are. Because it's not like it's a bad thing.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I think men call other men simps. Women really don't
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: use a term like that. We would call a woman
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a dumb bitch, right?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: I think y'all kind of see niggas as simps sometimes.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: But we don't say simp. That's all I'm saying. Like,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: we see a lick. Absolutely. Some of them have it
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: on their forehead.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: If I was a lick, I'd be, oh, my God.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: That's worse than a simp.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Got a lick next to him in your phone.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: No, I've never.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: That's the worst. I think, but we all are corny
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: to somebody. You know what I mean?
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I'm fucking cool, man.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: Somebody that you know has dealt with you or something
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: is like, it's corny.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: She corny.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: I accept that. I try to be as cool as
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: I possibly can, but I know to some extent.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I'm being myself, man.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's necessary to get played to be well-rounded, though.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: You got to take an L sometimes so you can
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: be humble, right?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably played somebody, so it's coming back around.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Jesus.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm karma. I do the coming around. All right, y'all.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I am karma. I do the coming around. Y'all, this
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: was a good episode. This was great. Great interview. Great talk.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: All right, tell everybody what's next, where they.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Can find you, all that good stuff.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: Okay, so I really want to, obviously, songwriting is my passion.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: I'm a passionate father, so I'm creating a men's group
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: for dads, you know what I mean?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: So the dads can come together.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: It's like a network where we can kind of communicate
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: and we can exchange energy and advice and how we
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: can uplift and build each other in our communities. And
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: what we're going to do is in each meeting, we
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: raise money for one father who may be in need of,
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: something specific to help do something great with his kids
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: so we're going to be creating that in this club
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: because i'm a dad and that's going to be really
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: soon we're going to be rolling that out also the
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: rico love webinars that we we love music conference that
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: i do around the world um teaching about songwriting and
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: production um that's something i'm super passionate about and i'm
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: building it my multimedia group where i'm able to develop
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: not just artists and writers but also um actors and
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: poets and um you know creatives in all art forms
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: find finding spaces for them to exist and express themselves
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: without the burden of uh the financial uh you know
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: burdens that people have when they're trying to make it
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: in the business so that's more my passion is making
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: sure that we can pour back into creatives and pour
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: back into our community of creatives.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so you got a non-profit.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: So it's it's essentially a for-profit business though because we
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: want to be able to have avenues to where after
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: they receive funds and they do well then there's a
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: commission that they pay back oh.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I guess i was uh referencing the the thing.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: For that oh the dads would be non-profit yeah yes
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: but the uh The multimedia company where we kind of
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: develop acts, we want to make sure that we can
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: help give them resources and then the company can earn
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: off of the success that they have.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super dope, Black Man.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: And also I'm doing the music for a new TV
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: show called Black Hamptons. This is season two of the
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Black Hamptons on BET. So I'm the music supervisor for them.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: I did the first season and now I'm working on
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: the second season. I'm super excited about that. I'm super
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: excited about Usher's new album.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: You got a new album coming?
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's amazing.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Ooh, excited. More babies coming.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: I just was with him, and he played me every song,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: because I did the songs that I've done, but we
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: took a car ride, and he just played me everything,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: and it was exceptional. It's an exceptional body of work.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: I can't wait for the world to hear that. Obviously,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: I just had success with Romeo Santos and Justin Timberlake,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: with Sin Finn. Anybody who's familiar with Latin, bachata music,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: number one bachata song in the world. So excited about
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: that and excited about the work we're doing with the BMC,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: the Black Music Collective. I'm the chairman of the BMC,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: which is a subsidiary.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Of the Grammys.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: We created something, a DEI effort where we kind of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: like making sure that we hold feet to the fire,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: make sure that black people, women, and people of color
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: are represented properly inside the Recording Academy. Last year, our
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: Recording Academy honors award show. We honored Lil Wayne, Sylvia Rohn,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: Missy Elliott, and Dr.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Dre.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: This year, we're cooking up something exceptional for Grammy Week,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: and we're doing some amazing events around the country around
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: building awareness to black creatives on what is available for them.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: And I missed that in your introduction, y'all. This is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Grammy-nominated Rico Love. Okay, let's be clear.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: And also, I'm helping Music Cares with this hip-hop initiative
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: we're doing. For the next three years, we're going to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: be funding and helping a lot of hip-hop artists. So
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: if you are a hip-hop artist and you need help,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: you need money, and you need a roof for your house,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: you need your teeth fixed, and you don't have the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: funds for that, you come to Music Cares.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: You submit.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Fix the current, the existing ones first, though, y'all.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but if you have the teeth that you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: have now, let's make sure we got those.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that we're doing, and it's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of philanthropic work, but it's also a lot
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: of entrepreneurial work that I'm really focusing and dedicating myself on.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: And I created the Love Foundation where I was doing
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: these recordings at my house. I created it because I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: keep my kids seven days on and seven days off.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: So when I'm with my kids, I was finding that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: I was spending a lot of time picking my daughter
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: up from school, picking my son up from school, see
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: him for an hour, go to the studio, come back,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: they sleep, I wake up, I take them to school.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't see them.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: So what I started doing was I started recording at
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: my home and setting up the cameras and doing these sessions,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: inviting people over. And we've been making great records and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: I'm able to have my kids come in and out.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: So it's called the Love Foundation. And we just make
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: really dope records and we've been documenting the process and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: we're going to make it into like this.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: A little series.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I'm excited about that.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Well, you're busy as fuck.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing enough out here, apparently. You got a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: lot going on.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: We like to lay down. We like to sweep.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: You got to do as much as possible to make
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: sure something sticks.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Right. I know, man. I got to get better at that.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: When I hear people, like, that was a nice little
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: rant about all the things. Like, am I not doing enough? Right.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, after I leave here, I was going
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: to sleep.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I need to go do something else. Hey, bitch, we
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: should just go ahead and plan for tomorrow, matter of fact,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: because that's what, what would Rico Love do? All right, y'all. Listen,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: this is a fantastic episode, y'all. If you enjoyed it,
• 1:02:52
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• 1:02:55
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• 1:02:57
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• 1:03:01
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• 1:03:07
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• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: What's up, Tam?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Y'all, it's official Tam Bam. Follow me on Instagram. I
• 1:03:14
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• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: And never hold your peace.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: Deuces.