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Grusching to Conclusions on The Secret Teachings · Ryder Lee

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to that free archive. Tonight, on the show, we're going to cover
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something we haven't talked about for I think about a month and a half,
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almost two months. It's been a long time since we discussed tonight's subject.
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If you missed any of our other shows this week, they are in the
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archive as well as our old shows on UFOs or UAPs or whatever you choose
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to call them. I was reading an article from News Nation. I thought
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this was really interesting, and we've talked about this in part before, but
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this is a recent story over the weekend last weekend, a couple days ago.
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Remember that guy David Grush who provided testimony and he was interviewed and documentaries,
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and remember David Grush. You might have forgotten about David Grush because people
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are in and out of topics and issues. Whatever Twitter basically tells you was
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trending that day. That's what people get into. But David Grush reportedly refused
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to actually meet with the Pentagon UFO office. In really simple terms, the
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federal government has a office to investigate UAP's UFOs, to listen to testimony from
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people that have experienced these craft, these interactions they've had with them, to
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talk to whistleblowers, and David Grush who had all this secret information, and
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everybody was so excited, and when I wasn't that excited, people said,
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you're just covering it up. Well, it turns out David Grush didn't really
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want to talk to the Pentagon, and their UFO office didn't want to meet
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with Arrow the AAR for one reason or another. The main concern reportedly is
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that he had legal concerns, and I guess you would have legal concerns if
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you were making it all up. That's just my speculation. But newly released
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documents showed that whistleblower David Grush, who said the Pentagon is operating the secret
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ufovertreatal program, which of course doesn't mean it's aliens, refuse to meet with
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government officials who were tasked with investigating that unknown aerial phenomena. So you come
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out, you risk your life and your reputation as how they painted it,
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especially in the UFO community, which I'm not even sure how to identify that
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anymore. I don't know what that is. It's some kind of like weird
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Frankenstein's Monster kind of a thing, just a bunch of weird stuff sewing together.
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And you say, I've got this information. I can't tell the public
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everything. I'll tell you this and that behind closed doors. Of course,
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we covered what he reportedly said behind closed doors, and members of Congress said
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it was nothing, just nothing. And then it turns out that he refused
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to meet with the people that were doing the investigation. So there's a cover
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up. They're not telling you things. The government says, Okay, let's
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talk about it. He says, no, I'm not talking about it with
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you. That's the impression I get. That's according to the documents released from
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John Greenwald to the Black Vault in response to a Foyer request a Freedom of
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Information Act request. They show that the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office repeatedly tried
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to meet Grush following his whistleblower complaint, but he refused to do so.
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Thus the question is why, And I know the UFO community has an excuse
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for everything. He was afraid of being dot dot dot insert whatever excuse you
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have. But you would assume that if someone had this evidence, they would
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go right to the government and say, here's the evidence, or anybody would
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for that matter. I mean, Jeremy Corbell supposedly has all this evidence.
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Where's all the evidence at The newly released documents show that the leader of ARO,
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Sean Kirkpatrick, repeatedly tried to arrange a meeting with Grush over several months.
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At one point a meeting was scheduled, but Grush didn't even show up,
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So he really cares. He's really concerned. He doesn't even show up.
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According to communications and the document, Grush had concerns about providing classified information
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to Arrow that was not authorized. The office did assure him that it was
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authorized to hear any information on UAPs. I mean, this is the effing
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Pentagon. But supporter's note Grush was concerned about the legal ramifications of providing sensitive
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information and doubted Arrow's willingness to investigate his claims. I mean, what an
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excuse, what a joke. That's like when you're lying and someone calls your
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bluff and they're like, no, it's okay. Just tell me. And
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they're like, well, I don't even want to tell you. Now,
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you won't even believe me if I did tell you, they're hiding something.
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They have UFOs there's bodies got third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,
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eight, fifteenth down the line accounts of what happened. Okay, well
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why don't you tell us? No, you won't believe me if I do
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tell you. I mean, what is this guy five years old? If
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you got the evidence, then just provide the evidence. So it's basically,
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not only did he refuse to meet and then agreed to meet and then didn't
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show up, he's got legal concerns that he can't confirm certain things with the
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effing Pentagon, And then when they assure him, no, this is the
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Pentagon, we have authorization to know, he says, well, you won't
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believe me anyway, You won't even investigate these claims, So I'm not going
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to tell you about him. I mean, what kind of cracker jack space
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cadet operation? Are these UFO whistleblowers running? Seriously? And you can't talk
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to Jeremy Corbel, you can't talk to to Nap, you can't talk to
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any of these people. You can't even give the government credit where the gu
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government should receive credit. You can't give Sean kirk Patrick any credit. The
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UFO community has some sort of mental breakdown. The whole thing is, it's
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like a big joke. So we're going to talk about that tonight on the
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show and some other UFO related subjects. I've got my good friend writer Lee
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joining us on the show from Raised by Giants. Rider and I will be
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at Contact in the Desert coming up in about three weeks. I'm looking forward
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to that. I'm looking forward to seeing Rider again and also seeing some of
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you at Contact in the Desert. I need to say, of course,
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thank you for all of you who supported us to send us to Contact in
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the Desert. We made the seven hundred dollars marker, actually more than seven
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hundred dollars because of a few donations by some really kind listeners. So Rider,
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what is your take on this? Sean Kirkpatrick. We're not allowed to
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agree with him, even when he's right. We're not allowed to say David
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Grush is lying. I mean, that's apparently some sacrilegious statement to make in
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the UFO community. But he was authorized to tell them and then he was
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like, actually, no, you won't even investigate it if I do tell
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you, so I'm not going to tell you there's something's wrong here, Ran,
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Thanks so much for having me on. Brother, really appreciate it.
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I always enjoy talking with you. You were actually on my show earlier today.
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People would like to check that out. I'm raised by giants on YouTube
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and any in all podcast platforms. Yes, this was really interesting. I've
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been trying this for a little bit because whenever this happened, whenever Shan kor
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Patrick came out and did that article that you know, David Grush did not
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come to him and give him any of his testimony, Jimmy Corbel and Georgia
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Napp immediately got online and started calling Dave Grush a liar and like, I'm
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not Dave Grush, but Shankirk Patrick a liar and that he's making stuff up.
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And I don't understand what people don't get about the day and age that
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we live in now, Like if you're out there telling lies, especially when
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it comes to you know, you have and aliens and stuff like, people
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are going to find out, like they're going to get the four year one
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and they have the right to ask questions the right to ask questions too,
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that's right. And like people like Sean Greenwald Junior and mcwest and these people
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that are you know, really deep into this and are going out there and
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getting the four year request and exposing all of the hypocrisy within the community.
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It's just mind boggling to me that these people think that they can just get
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up there and lie and then tell moral lies and then think that it's never
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going to be exposed. Like I don't understand why Jeremy Corbel and Georgia Knapp
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would say that Sean Krapatrick is a liar and that he's making all this stuff
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up, and that David Grush did did attempt to go to Arrow and make
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his testimony and all that. It's like it's one thing under the media,
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because that's kind of what they did with the US Congressional hearing. That was
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kind of like a media sensation. But then when you get down the like
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brass tacks with it and you're you're sitting with an actual you know, Pentagon
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representative and you start talking, that's like a different type of thing, you
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know. And I think that a lot of these people that would do the
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media circus version of disclosure, wouldn't go and tell their story to an actual
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tell them to the Pentagon, right, because I feel like that the more
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that these people would talk to a Pentagon representative like doctor Sean ker Patrick,
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the more that they would realize how ridiculous their entire story sounds, and it
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would start to mentally break down on them, you know, because again,
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the media circus thing is like, is one thing, and people are used
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to that, you know, they're used to have this type of platform where
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you're kind of like secretive, you know, like you're behind a screen,
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you know, you're on social media. But in person is a completely different
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reaction. And you know, I don't think half of these people, well
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I don't even think any of them would be the way that they are online
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in person. And I know that for a fact they just wouldn't. Well,
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if you went to the Pentagon, I mean, whether or not,
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whatever or not you writer, but the listener's opinion is on the Pentagon,
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and it's a vast entity. It's a vast web. It's not like two
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people that sit in a room and make all the decisions. It's a vast
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web of politics and all sorts of other things. But the people in the
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Pentagon, the leaders, are some of the brightest usually and some of the
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more intelligent people within the government, or at least some of the more aggressive
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and maybe maybe corrupt. But you would think that the people at the Pentagon,
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if you and I and some of our listeners can point out the inconsistencies
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in Grush's story or his stories, or any of these people's stories, you
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assume that the Pentagon would be able to find those inconsistencies even quicker than us.
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And that's what makes me think that just like Grush and these people like
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Corbel don't want to talk to people like you and I. They run away
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at conferences, they accuse you of things for asking questions. They don't want
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to go to the Pentagon and tell these people what they have told everyone else,
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because the Pentagon officials are going to see probably more easily through than people
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like you and I. You and I do, that's my thought, that's
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right. And then with the Arrow historical report that we covered on my show,
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I mean, really, the government stance on UFOs and UAPs has not
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changed since nineteen forty seven. It's been on most identical the exact same thing
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you know, it started with Project Sign, then with the Project Grudge,
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and then Project blue Book, and then you have the that panel. Do
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you remember what the name of the panel was, the not the Harrison panel,
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but the Robertson Panel. Robertson Panel. Yes, yes, yes,
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sorry, it's a little early and you not quite with it yet. So
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really, what they've said is that a lot of the phenomenon can be explained
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by conventional craft. That's what they've really said since the beginning, and now
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they've kind of changed it to be outright the military. And that's the thing
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that's really should just stick with everybody in this entire topic, is that they've
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maintained almost the exact same stance since nineteen forty seven, since Project Sign started,
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which Project Sign turned into Project Grudge and then Project Grudge in the Project
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blue Book, they've basically had the exact same stance. They never really discount
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UFOs, but what they do is they're trying to discount the idea that it's
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extraterrestrial. So therefore, trying to discount that it's extraterrestrial, they kind of
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have to kind of discount the idea the UFOs exist. But they always say
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that the phenomenon is explained by some conventional means and natural phenomenon misidentified military aircraft,
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normally misidentified known craft. And then sometimes they say, oh, well,
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more than likely what people or seen, or some sort of advanced craft
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that has not been disclosed to the public. That's really been the stance of
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the government all the way up into this point. And it's just so interesting
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when they pretty much come out and say the exact same thing that they've been
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seeing for what would that be, like seventy seven years now, and people
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are surprised. Well, the other thing is you and I have talked about
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this. First of all, when they talk about or Grush talks about a
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UFO retrieval program, people assume that means aliens. That's not what it means,
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right, UFO just means it's unidentified. Usually, these retrieval programs for
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down satellites or perhaps experimental craft or perhaps a foreign adversaries you know, spyplane
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or maybe a balloon or something to that effect. That has nothing to do.
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It's a completely separate issue, although there are overlaps, but it's a
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completely separate issue from the idea of aliens from another world or other dimension.
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It's a UFO retrieval program, not an alien spacecraft from data reticular retrieval program.
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There's a difference, that's right. And really what they did was from
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flying saucer the term flying saucer, they changed it to UFO and that was
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done by Project Blue Book, and the reason that they did that was to
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encompass more phenomenon. And then they did the exact same thing again with changing
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it from UFO to UAP. Now it's unidentified anomalous phenomenon. It's no longer
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an object. It's now a phenomenon. So now it can encompass a bunch
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of different things. It doesn't have to be a it could be anything.
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It could be a satellite, it can be a balloon, it can be
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strange lights, it can be plasma, it can be ball lightning. So
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now they've put a lot of different things under the banner of Unidentified anomalists phenomenon.
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And that was the entire reason that they changed the title of it from
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a flying saucer to UFO. That was also done by a government program as
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well. So it's just curious that they would, you know, change it
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to encompass more phenomenon, and that would imply that the phenomenon before wasn't what
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we thought that it was. So in order to make more ambiguous, they
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changed the title to include more things that doesn't necessarily have to do with an
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actual object, but also may include an object. Then when you look at
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like crash retrieval too, like see these words have double meanings and multiple iterations.
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In the public think that they mean one thing when they can actually mean
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a completely other thing. The crash retrieval doesn't mean doesn't have to mean that
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it was a like a modern thing, that they saw a craft go down,
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or they saw the craft on radar, or any of that jazz.
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It could mean that it was found in an archaeological dig and they dug it
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up. It doesn't matter the amount of time that lapsed in between them the
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thing being found and when it went down. It's still a crash retrieval.
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And I think that when people hear crash retrieval, they won they assumed that
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it's extraterrestrial when it doesn't have to be two They think that, oh,
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well, it happened in modern times. The military saw this craft go down,
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they saw it on radar, or another country scena they called the United
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States, the United States came through and picked it up and took it back
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to their deep underground military base and reversed engineered it. When that doesn't have
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to be the case, and it's probably not the case. They play with
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these words and these ideas and these buzzwords so often that it's so confusing,
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just like the national security or the fake alien invasion or just a regular alien
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invasion. You know, all those things have multiple meanings. If we were
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to go to a different country right now, Ryan, let's say that we
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would just pick up and go to Japan, right So, I mean you
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picked up went to Japan, we would be aliens there. We would be
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considered aliens. We're not from there, we weren't born there. We're in
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a different we're in a foreign country. We're an alien. And think about
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how many people travel to the United States that are not from the United States.
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Also, aliens would be considered aliens. Then if you just flip it
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around a little bit and just tack on illegal in front of alien, you
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get a completely different meaning as well. And a lot of these a lot
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of people in the UFO community and uphological circles. You know how they always
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talk about all, well, the aliens are all around us. They've always
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been here, they're they're creating, they're walking among us right now. They're
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walking among us right now. Well, if you take the real version of
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what an alien is, that is technically true. They are here and they
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always have been here. And you just go a little bit further south from
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the United States, you hit Mexico, you go a little bit further north,
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you get Canada. That's extra land, that's extra territory, that's extraterrestrial,
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that's outside of the bounds of Do you know this stays? I think,
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I think so. What you're explaining here, I know, might sound
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very almost childish to some people, but it's really I think what you're explaining
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is very important because the definition of words matter, same thing with acronyms.
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It matters how we define them. It matters what the implications are when we
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use them in the context when we use them. I've made the same argument
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before. I mean, people might think it's silly, but no, it's
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true. Like an alien is someone who's not from this particular area, one
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place or another, and whether they're illegal or they're legal or documented or undocumented,
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they're from a different territory, they're from an extra territory. That stuff
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really matters. Obviously, when we're talking about like space aliens, that's different.
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But the point still is in order to understand I think even the basis
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of how we can communicate about these things, it's important to understand where the
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words come from, what they mean, what they imply, and the cultural
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context to these things. That's important to me. I agree with your amples.
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Yeah, and people don't really look at it like that because they've kind
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of been programmed to take it at like face value. It's almost like when
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people say, this is just an example, but like when like NASA talks
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about space, you know, they don't really ever say outer space. They
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just say space, and people attach on the meaning that they're talking about outer
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space when space can be all around you right now, exactly, extra space,
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extra space in your room, extra space in your backyard, extra space
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in the ocean. You know. Space could be extra office space. Your
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closet is extra space, you know. And it's just this play on words
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that have that are very ambiguous. And I am convinced that what the public
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perception of these words, what they're talking about is something completely different, and
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the public is no wiser to it because when you hear when you think NASA,
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you automatically think outer space, and they don't really question that. See
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NASA used to say, you know, we're traveling outer space, but they
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don't anymore. I just listened to that NASA broadcast before the solar eclipse,
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and not one of them, this was like an hour long broadcast, not
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one of them said outer space. They all just said space. And they
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they in the public believes that they're talking about outer space. It's just an
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example. I mean, they could probably talking about about outer space, but
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it's just interesting how they can just say partial word, not defying the word,
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and the public tax on what they think that they're actually talking about.
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It's the implication. And that's the biggest example of that is UFO. If
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you're just joining us. Rider Lye from Raised by Giants is with us,
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a good friend of mine and we do shows together sometimes over on his YouTube
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channel. If you're listening to the Secret Teachings usually occasionally all the time,
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you'll know that I try to take an objective approach to this subject. I
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mean, honestly, this goes for you writer as my guest and friend,
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but also for the whole audience. Like, I don't really have a horse
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in this race either. Like to me, if you could absolutely prove that
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there's no such thing as those outer space extraterrestrials from somewhere else, it doesn't
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ruin my day. And if you could prove that there are, I mean,
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it would be fascinating in an amazing discovery, but like it's not also
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not going to change really to change my day. Like, I don't really
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have a horse in this race. And I think that, well, I
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know that a lot of people that don't want to believe in anything and a
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lot of people that want to believe in everything. These are like the communities
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and the groups. I mean, they become almost like and I've said this
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many many times, they become like cults. And I think there's just as
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much a cult around whatever the Pentagon says as there is around the star seed
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communities that channel aliens at the Miami Mall. These are cults and you're not
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allowed to question the cult leaders. You're not allowed to question the central figure
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of adornment or the central figure of worship, the holy books, the saints,
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and I mean it's a religious like system. So We're going to continue
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to break this down on the Secret Teachings. Rider Lee again is with us.
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Do you want to email the show already gable at yahoo dot com.
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So writer, something else I wanted to talk with you about in regard
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to the Arrow report is that AERO says that there's no evidence that indicates the
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existence of ets or contact with non human life beyond planet Earth. But the
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agency did reportedly admit, I want to get your take on this, did
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reportedly admit that they did have plans or potential plans to reverse engineer UFO technology
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had they ever come into possession of it, and they called this the Kona
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ko Na Blue program. So I guess the government did have an idea of
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like, hey, if we came into this technology, if alien spaceship crashed
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and we recovered it, we probably would want to reverse engineer it. But
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that's also like saying that, you know, if we found some Chinese or
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Russian or whatever, you know, aircraft that went down and it had some
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advanced technology on it, we'd probably reverse engineer that as well. So I
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don't think it's really mind blowing to assume that whatever the technology is, whether
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it came from Russia or it came from some other planet, we would probably
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reverse engineered. It's almost like standard protocol, would I would assume what do
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you know about the ConA Blue program. I don't know anything about the ConA
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Blue program. That's something completely new to me. But that's another play on
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words there that they're saying, oh, well, if extra see they're using
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the title of extraterrestrial, which gets them out of the ability to say that
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that we do have craft. Because we do have craft, it's just not
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extraterrestrial craft. Craft that we have created or we've found in an archaeological dig,
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like I was mentioning ten minutes ago, and then we tried to figure
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out what that craft was and maybe reverse engineer that craft, but that doesn't
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mean that it's extraterrestrial craft. So they're doing another play on words here and
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saying, oh, well, there's not any extra trustural craft, but they're
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under the assumption that people think that it is extraterrestrial craft. So whenever they
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say that it's not extraterrestrials, they're actually they're doing like they're hitting you with
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a double double there, because at the same time they're not admitting that they
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have any craft. Whenever we know there's much more evidence that we do have
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advanced military craft that people would mistake as a UFO. Now, whether those
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are drones, like Sean ker Patrick says and is in this article and in
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the historical UAP report that just came out, which was Volume one, regardless
30:10
off they're drones, they're unmanned drones, or if we can actually put somebody
30:14
inside of those craft, which I really highly doubt is possible. I think
30:19
that you know that they're drones, that they're being operated by somebody on the
30:26
ground or some kind of AI system, and maybe their weaponized. Maybe they're
30:33
spy drones. Maybe they figured out a way to put weapons on these drones.
30:41
And Sean ker Patrick, He's taken a lot of heat by seeing that
30:48
they're military drones. But at the same time, like, why would you
30:53
lie about that? Just like because if there's you're to try and cover your
31:00
tracks easily. You're going to try and make it ambiguous as to what it
31:04
is if there is a possibility that it is extraterrestrials. Because if this report
31:12
came out and was like, oh, none of this, all this stuff
31:17
is a military advanced military technology in their drones, and then somehow tomorrow they're
31:23
like a bunch of aliens land on the White House, that's going to be
31:30
a major contradiction. So they're there, Why would they say that there's no
31:37
proof of extraterrestrial life and no evidence of extraterrestrial and no evidence that any of
31:41
these craft are extraterrestrial craft if they really weren't, because then you run into
31:48
the possibility that something like an extraterrestrial lands, or you have another downcraft and
31:59
another they're suppose typed Roswell and incident, which we know that the Roswell incident
32:05
was completely fabricated and completely made up by the government, missing disinformation surrounding Bill
32:12
Moore, you know, and it doesn't make any sense to me why you
32:20
would lie about all this stuff if it can be easily disproving. Well,
32:25
I think it's critical to keep this in mind. If we're looking at arrow
32:30
or if we're looking at the just the overall federal government's approach to this subject
32:36
in the last what seven eight years, they're only looking at a handful of
32:40
reports, like even if you go back to Project SIGN Projects SIGN evaluated two
32:45
hundred and forty three reports, I believe the federal government's official investigations or what
32:52
the military looked as like one hundred and ninety eight reports like I mean,
32:57
considering the fact that especially with technology today and although a lot of people make
33:01
stuff up and edit things and all that, if you take all that out
33:05
of out of circulation, I mean, you have hundreds, if not thousands,
33:07
of reports, you know, every every month that are well, I'd
33:12
say a handful of them, a few dozen are pretty solid. You don't
33:15
know what they are. Doesn't have to be aliens, but people see of
33:17
these kinds of things all the time. And if the government or an agency
33:22
in the government or a group is only looking at a handful of cases,
33:27
I mean, it is possible for government officials if there was some big conspiracy
33:30
to only focus on cases that they could disprove in the same way, which
33:34
is what the Robertson Panel report said, in the same way that if you're
33:37
you're moufon, you might look for any and every report so that everything that
33:44
comes in becomes, you know, evidence that you can use. We've got
33:46
a thousand reports of UFOs. You know, well, they could be easily,
33:50
very easily debunked, but you don't debunk anything. You accept everything,
33:53
So it makes it look like you know your your narrative is correct. So
33:59
I think there's only a hand of cases being looked at. They could be
34:01
the best cases, they could be the worst cases, they could be somewhere
34:05
in the middle. Like I think, even the context of the actual cases
34:08
and how many a group is looking at that also plays into this as well,
34:14
because of the Pentagon's only looking at let's say two hundred cases, and
34:17
you know, only like five of them are legitimate, and they debunk one
34:21
hundred and ninety five of two hundred. The five that are legitimate still that
34:24
are there and that you can't really determine what they are doesn't mean they're aliens,
34:29
but it's like kind of ignoring the really hard evidence in the same way
34:31
that the UFO communities will take anything, absolutely anything is proof and say,
34:37
oh, look look, you know seventy five percent of people believe that,
34:39
must mean it's real. I think that it's you know, the number of
34:44
cases and the quality of the cases. I think that obviously plays into this
34:47
as well. To try to understand exactly what's going on. Well, I
34:52
mean that's the thing too. Are you going to go to every single Tom,
34:57
Dick and Harry and that claim that they see something strange in the sky
35:02
and investigate it. I mean you would have to take a priority over the
35:07
ones that you think are legitimate excuse me, legitimate cases and the ones that
35:14
you think that aren't legitimate cases, just like I'm going to do with my
35:21
show, Like I'm not going to bring on anybody that I don't think has
35:23
something good to say, and I'm not going to do it spontaneously. I'm
35:29
not going to bring somebody on my show that I think that is going to
35:32
be talking a lot of nonsense, garbage. And if it is somebody that
35:37
I don't know but I like what they have to say, I study them.
35:43
I try and read their book. I try and watch or listen to
35:45
any other interviews that they possibly could have done. You know, it's like
35:52
you play that game, like do you want to be out investigating whackado people
36:01
that snowballed into some kind of nonsense. I mean, Kenneth Arnald back in
36:06
nineteen forty seven was saying that what other people were seeing during the time that
36:09
he was seeing the craft were just making shut up, They were just making
36:15
stuff up, or what they were seeing was not like what he saw.
36:17
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure too it wasn't just the newspapers that claimed from
36:21
west coast to east coast at what he saw was, you know, the
36:24
flying saucers when he saw Chevron craft. We've said that and talked about that,
36:29
but the story's much different than even that. I'm pretty sure his daughter,
36:35
Kenneth Arnald's daughter said that what he thought they were were some sort of
36:37
biological kind of living entity almost, which is completely different than the flying saucer
36:43
narrative. But then that comes way later in his career, after all the
36:51
publicity and all the other people coming out and throwing their theories and speculations into
36:54
the pot. He then changed it to that that they were like morphing craft
37:00
and they could take on the shape of whatever you whatever they wanted you to
37:02
see. They could take up on the shape of they could take on the
37:06
shape of a plane like a normal passenger plane if they wanted to, or
37:09
a flying jellyfish or whatever. Well isn't that Oh, go ahead, go
37:15
ahead? And that came later on, like that came after the media wave
37:20
of all the UFO hysteria. So it only you have to take in two
37:25
account and the consideration that how long was he saying that after nineteen forty seven,
37:32
and how many other people were writing him and telling him their opinions on
37:38
what he saw, and how much of that influenced his perception of reality?
37:45
I would say a lot. Well that well that too, and plus this
37:49
comes from his daughter was where I read it, So that's a you know,
37:52
another generation. But I think this is an interesting point. What you're
37:55
saying here is that, you know, the influence from others kind of create
38:00
It's the narrative. I mean, that's the whole Carl Jung perspective on UFOs
38:04
and over the what about three quarters of a century, all these different narratives
38:10
and stories and ideas and perceptions and all this stuff comes together and it creates
38:16
these these ideas, It creates these narratives, It creates these stories, and
38:22
virtually none of them are anywhere near you know what the original reports were.
38:29
I mean unless you go back and read like military records or something. Like
38:32
anytime you hear a story then you go back. Can you you see a
38:35
documentary on something and you go back and look at it, It's like the
38:37
origin of that story is completely different than what the documentary said. It's completely
38:43
different than how people interpret it or perceive it, or choose to interpret it
38:46
or choose to perceive it. So I don't know the essence I guess of
38:50
what you're saying and what I'm getting a writer, is that by so many
38:53
people providing their perspective and what they want to believe in their opinions and all
38:58
that, and the influence from pop culture and all this, eventually it comes
39:01
together and it's like an aggregor as we discussed before. Yes, it congregates
39:07
it more and skews your original perception and several that Kenneth Orna decided several had
39:17
several other sightings of UFOs after his initial sighting in nineteen forty seven, and
39:23
I personally believe that that was done to try and keep himself relevant to the
39:30
conversation because it was kind of dying off as other people were reporting extraordinary seeing
39:37
extraordinary things in the sky. He was trying to stay relevant by, you
39:44
know, saying, oh, well, I also saw something strange again,
39:50
and this time they looked like ducks. They look like ducks. The quack
39:53
like ducks, they shine like ducks, they flew in a V shape like
39:58
ducks. But they were definitely you know, and it's like making a sequel
40:04
to a movie. You know, like if you're making a part, you
40:07
got to make it better. You got to make it better, dude.
40:09
You got to make it better every time. And if you don't, then
40:14
you know, no one's going to listen, no one's going to watch,
40:17
no one's going to pay attention to you. So you have to make it
40:21
more extraordinary every time. And that's pretty much what he did. Several sightings
40:28
after and they all seem to happen year after year until the mid sixties,
40:35
and then he took a two or three year break in there, and then
40:38
another group of sightings in the seventies. You know, it's like it's this
40:45
agregoric type of reality. And I'm really on board with the whole Carl Jung
40:52
concept of this and people's perception and people's thoughts and idea influencing the hire narrative.
41:00
And when you track back a lot of these people in these original people
41:07
that for the lack of a better word, created a cultural phenomenon, because
41:13
you can basically you can pretty much come to the conclusion that Kenneth Arnold created
41:16
a cultural phenomenon. And George van Tassel with the Ashtar Galactic Command cult in
41:27
the early fifties, he pretty much created the entire channeling community. He was
41:35
one of the he was the first person to claim communication with Ashtar of the
41:42
galactic command that he was channeling. Oh love, I love Ashtar command,
41:45
one of my favorite commands. But my point here is is that when you
41:51
go back to the original source of a lot of these things, they they
41:57
normally always say that other people that are experiencing the same thing are making stuff
42:06
up, that they're liars, that they're not in communication with what they're in
42:14
communication with, or they're not seeing what they have seen have seen. And
42:21
that's a common thing as well. Just like George van Tassel. That was
42:23
his whole That was his big complaint was whenever the Ashtar Galanc the Command thing
42:30
took off, and then hundreds and hundreds of people claiming the channel Ashtar of
42:37
the Ashtar Galactic Command. And there's still people claiming the channel Ashtar the Galactic
42:40
Command today. You can get on YouTube, type in Ashtar Galanc the Command
42:44
channeling and you'll get hundreds and hundreds of videos of people claiming the channel Ashtar.
42:49
And I've always wondered, and I brought this up to you, and
42:52
I think the whole audience knows. This is how that stuff gets traction online.
42:55
You know, because I could go on YouTube right now and say at
42:59
channel ashtark Command. No one's going to click on that video, but some
43:04
are like promoted by the algorithm. It's a whole other subject. I want
43:08
to rewind for a moment, though, writer, because we talked. I
43:12
just briefly asked you about ConA Blue. I wanted to read you what the
43:15
ConA Blue program supposedly was or is, or it was. ConA Blue is
43:21
a so as a plan that the government had to reverse engineer actual like by
43:28
definition alien from another world technology from a recovered spaceship. It was a special
43:34
access program, top secret, and it was all about acquiring, identifying,
43:38
reverse engineering advanced aerospace vehicles or whatever you choose to call them. So they
43:45
set aside like it was like between twelve and fifteen million dollars for the first
43:49
year, twenty five for the second year, and then it went up to
43:52
fifty million dollars. And the program had had a couple of different goals,
43:55
primarily reverse engineering these craft, but it also included details on plans to reverse
44:01
engineer, as I had said, I don't know when I first brought this
44:06
up, any technology like Chinese or Russian as well, or Chinese or Russian
44:13
technology that might itself have been reverse engineered from aliens. But there was no
44:17
evidence, they say, of any of this stuff, so they shut the
44:21
program down. I mean, it's interesting that and maybe the whole thing this
44:24
is a scam itself, but for the federal government to technology, we actually
44:29
had a program like literally to recover alien technology by definition like from somewhere else.
44:37
You know, it makes me think like are they just saying that to
44:39
muddy the waters, or were there people legitimately interested in this and really thinking,
44:45
based probably on the pop culture, that this was a real thing and
44:49
we might be able to actually do something with this technology, you know,
44:52
or is it another one of those things like with Russia and China where we're
44:55
worried about other countries having advanced technology. So anything that you know that we
45:00
can get our hands on, you know, it's foreign, it's alien,
45:05
as you said earlier, like the definitions of words really matter. But that's
45:07
that's what the ConA Blue Projects supposedly was. And they shut it down because
45:12
they said, the government said there was no evidence whatsoever for technology from another
45:19
world to exist. They don't have any evidence of it, so they didn't
45:22
actually reverse engineer anything. I think, you know, beyond that though,
45:24
when you get into like the big ol Low Aerospace and Senator Read and there's
45:30
something real shady about all those guys, you know, the Skinwalker ranch,
45:34
there's something real shady about that that little community, and it just it really
45:39
makes me feel like I'm being taken for a ride. It feels like I'm
45:44
being scammed. There's something about those guys I just don't trust. Well,
45:50
it's your question of you know, why would they be creating these plans if
45:54
it's you know, if it's not an actual, real phenomenon. I mean,
46:00
the government also has a plan to defend the United States against zombies.
46:07
I mean, do we think that the zombies are real and is an actual
46:13
threave? I mean, that's a real thing. I'm pretty sure it's con
46:17
Plan eight eight eight eight, also known as counter Zombie Dilomleance, Denominalance,
46:24
Yes, and the US Department to Defend Strategic Command, a document that describes
46:30
a plan for the United States and it's military defending against zombies. It was
46:35
initially classified by the United States Intelligence Community, but was eventually declassified following a
46:40
Freedom of Information Act. You know, yeah, well, I mean that's
46:46
kind of my point though, too, is like you have you might have
46:50
had a handful of people in government writer that we're watching a lot of UFO
46:52
movies and we're like, well, we can put a plan together to deal
46:57
with this technology. But it was just a bunch of people being influenced by
46:59
pop culture. It could because there's these are just people, they're humans like
47:01
us, and there are people in government that are really legitimately interested in this
47:06
stuff. And I don't have any any evidence or any more information than the
47:08
rest of us do. It could have just been that just because the federal
47:12
government has a plan for something doesn't mean it's serious. This is also the
47:15
military too, so they probably do have plans for a lot of different things,
47:19
probably an alien invasions, zombie apocalypse, vampires taken over the world.
47:23
They probably got a plan for everything. It's the military, right, I
47:27
was just saying that in defense of somebody that would you know, come on
47:31
and say, oh, well, this proves the existence of extraterrestrials because the
47:38
government had a plan in order to reverse engineer if an extraterrestrial craft to crash
47:45
and that we could reverse engineer it. You know, they also have a
47:50
plan to defend the United States against zombies. Okay, And I don't think
47:53
anybody ever took that serious, you know. I mean, it's just like
48:02
I think that they're just kind of like I think some of people are just
48:06
bored. I think they're just bored out of their mind, and they're like,
48:08
oh, man, you know what would be funny, you know what
48:12
would be great. We should make a strategic plan on how to defend the
48:19
United States in case of a zombie outbreak would come, you know, in
48:22
case the Dead suddenly rise up out of their graves, we will have a
48:30
very good defense strategy. And that is absolutely a proponent of pop culture and
48:42
Hollywood. I mean, I think that was in twenty and eleven, and
48:45
I'm pretty sure The Walking Dead was like the biggest show on TV in twenty
48:51
and eleven. I think the first season of The Walking Dead came out in
48:55
two thousand and eleven. You know that, I all today the I mean,
49:01
this was from about two weeks ago, but I pulled up the art.
49:04
I remember it, so I pulled it up for tonight's show. Remember
49:07
Angel Kinmore, that Las Vegas kid who saw the aliens in his backyard.
49:13
Yes, yeah, so apparently they this kid is coming out and speaking again
49:17
about what he saw, and he's insisting, yes, this is the whole
49:21
family is backing him up. Yes, this is what they saw. This
49:23
is what they saw. That's what they saw. But they have the you
49:28
know, the image I forgot about the image of this alien of what the
49:30
family saw. I don't know if you saw the image, but it looks
49:34
like, first of all, looks like a five year old drew at second
49:37
of all, it's it's just basically every alien that you've ever seen in any
49:42
drawing, which I know a lot of people would say, well, that
49:44
means it's real. It's like, no, it's a composite of these different
49:47
elements that people have seen on DMT. People have seen when they're when they're
49:53
in an altered state of consciousness. Otherwise, people have seen in a dream
49:57
state, like I've actually seen something like this when I was when I experienced
50:00
sleep paralysis. I don't think that it's an alien on a spaceship. I
50:05
mean, if anything, it's a subconscious, unconscious projection of of you.
50:08
It's humanoid. It's like embryonic almost. But you know the image they show,
50:14
it's like that's supposed to. For a lot of people, they think,
50:15
oh my god, that's the alien that I've been talking about. That
50:17
they're real. It's just a drawing. Anybody can draw. That's not proof
50:22
of anything. Have you ever had like a thought and an idea and like
50:30
it, you never follow through with that thought or idea, and then later
50:35
on maybe a week or two weeks, or maybe a month later, or
50:38
maybe even a year later, you see somebody else doing that idea. Oh
50:45
yeah, and you never you never, you never told anybody about it.
50:50
You just like, you know, kept it to yourself. Yeah, and
50:52
radio it happens a lot. I feel, yeah, there's something to this
50:59
infinite data field of consciousness that's around us that the people are receiving almost the
51:07
exact same type of thoughts and the same type of ideas. I mean,
51:13
for example, around I don't know, four or five months ago, I
51:21
was talking with my with my friends and you know, small knit group of
51:25
friends, like three people, and I was like, Hey, you know
51:30
what would be really cool is if you know, someone opened up a like
51:35
a retro sixties seventies like bar, or not even like a bar, but
51:42
just like like a little club where they would play like dance music and maybe
51:45
like roller skating and have like you know, make it like a retro type
51:52
of area because people would like to you know, romanticize about the sixties and
51:57
the seventies. I'm like, I feel like that would go over really well,
52:00
you know. And of course I was just joking. I don't have
52:02
the money to open up a freaking retro sixties seventies bar club roller skating area,
52:08
right, But just last week, scrolling through my Instagram and the town
52:16
that I was in is opening up that exact same thing, like that they're
52:23
opening up a retro sixties seventies the type hangout bar plays. And that's just
52:31
an example. Like, but I've had several things like that happened to me,
52:37
you know, throughout my life, and some that I never repeat,
52:42
that I never say out loud. But then in I couple of weeks,
52:46
maybe maybe not that shorter amount of time, but a year or two years
52:52
or five six months, somebody else does that exact same thing, and it's
52:59
almost like a verbatim. It's almost identical to the same thought and the same
53:05
idea that I had. It's kind of like that. Well, it's almost
53:08
like copycats too, Like we have the Las Vegas story of the aliens,
53:12
and there's the mall aliens in Miami, and a lot of people forget that
53:15
same week, there was another story up in Toronto about aliens at a mall.
53:20
So it's almost like and it's a little bit different than what you're saying,
53:22
but it's like they're like copycat stories. They take advantage of people's interest
53:28
in the subject, and then those stories are published and they become part of
53:31
the meme world and the pop culture, and then they disappear and go away.
53:37
And although this isn't exclusively the case, you know, when it comes
53:39
to what you perceive and what you want to believe, this kid in Las
53:43
Vegas angel he said that this little alien, he said he didn't think it
53:47
was an alien. He said it was a demon, because that's his perception.
53:50
He thought it was a demon. That's what he saw when he imagined
53:54
or actually did see this thing. So what you think and what you want
53:59
to think and what you want to see and what you do see, it
54:02
can be created. I mean, even if you're looking at the same exact
54:06
thing. To you, it might be an alien. To me, it's
54:07
a demon, and so on and so forth. I mean that aspect of
54:12
psychology when it comes to UFOs is a really really important thing to remember that
54:16
we're dealing with something here that is far beyond the physical and it's rooted not
54:22
probably so much in outer space as it is in inner space. But Riderlely,
54:25
thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate it,
54:28
my friend. Yeah, thanks, brothers a wonderful conversation. I hope
54:30
people really enjoyed it. If they would like to check out our episode together
54:36
on my channel that just dropped today. You can check that out on Raise
54:40
by Giants on YouTube and Indy and all podcast platforms. Thanks for having me
54:45
back on, brother, Really appreciate your time. And come and see us
54:47
at Contact in the Desert at the end of the month. Yes, freely
54:52
there. We're gonna be there, baby, it's gonna be a fun time.
54:54
It's going to be a great time. Come through and say hi,
54:59
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55:04
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55:09
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55:13
Live there, and you can come for free. I think it's on
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55:19
Otherwise, we'll talk to you sometimes soon. Rider. Have a great
55:22
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