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Episode 107: Obi-Wan and Ahsoka's Relationship Dynamic throughout the Clone Wars · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello, there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hello, everyone.
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Welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi and all things.
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Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne.
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And I'm your host Lauren in this week, we're going to take a look
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at the relationship between Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Ahsoka Tano.
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And we're going to come at it from different angles.
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I have a feeling because I think I've researched.
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So okay when I was trying to figure out what angle I wanted
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to take in this discussion, I think I took the darker route.
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Like, I don't know why. It just seems to come naturally
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to me, but it ended up being, I guess.
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I'll say I'll phrase it like this.
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I ended up exploring the more, the more difficult side of Sokka
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and Obi-Wan, because like any family, which her Anakin and
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Obi-Wan were yeah, there are ups and downs, and I look at Obi-Wan
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as a father, figure to both Anakin and her Or like the uncle
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with to unruly children in the family that he has to babysit
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and you know here you can have them back you know when they're
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done. So yeah God give them back the
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end of the day, except you never gets to give them back and I
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don't know, would even if you wanted to.
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But so I'm interested to hear. Your take on their relationship
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because it's definitely good and and I'll say not so good because
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it's not bad. There are moments where I feel a
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little disappointed sometimes in both of them for different
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reasons and it's a it's a hard pill to swallow because I Revere
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them both so much. You know, it's very true.
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You know the beautiful thing about Ahsoka is she is the
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balance between Anakin and Obi-Wan.
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Yes, I wrote that down. Oh, did you?
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Oh, of course you did it say, yay.
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I mean, it's obvious, right? Because what she becomes is, she
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has the impulsiveness and the, you know, we'll go to rescue
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anyone. In a moment's notice, you know,
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the Loyalty that Anakin had, you know, for the ones he cared for
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and then he also had the fortitude and the thoughtfulness
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and them. Hmm.
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Let's think about this for just a Split Second.
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Our than Anakin would part of Obi-Wan, you know, definitely, I
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think that's that was mostly the approach I had with.
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My analysis was the way she takes the best of both of them.
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Hmm. And she like you just said she
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has like, Anakin strength. Yeah, obviously.
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Yeah. And and the, the need to help
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people because there's so many times in Clone Wars where she's
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ready to help and open one pumps, the brakes and It's like
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if we help will make things worse.
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Yeah. Like we step back and see the
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larger picture, which is something by the end of quote
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Wars, she's able to and like Beyond, you know, well beyond
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Clone Wars because obviously, she's still going, she is much
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more like, Obi-Wan in that sense where she is able to see the
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bigger picture and not just hyper focus on what's right in
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front of her. And I think that's one of the
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coolest. Parts of Ahsoka and Obi-Wan, I
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actually both of them because they're, they're both obviously
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fucking bad asses right there. Really fucking good at combat
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and strategy. But then to also know when you
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need to step back from that, which is something Anakin
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struggled with a lot. And I think Ahsoka really grew
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into it which I mean, it's part of her character Arc, we see it,
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she matures more so than Anakin ever did.
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Yeah, yeah, into this, Very even wise character that I love.
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And sometimes, you know, she said that doesn't mean she's not
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passionate just because she's very, you know, steady all the
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time. So you could see the passion
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that she has and, and the emotion, well Obi-Wan is
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Obi-Wan's passionate. We see it in the Kenobi show.
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He's very passionate but he still holds that level of
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consistent, like think before you you know, think this through
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But still, you know, has a reason a passion behind what
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he's doing. And obviously, you see that in a
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Sokka. I guarantee you will see that in
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the show because she's more mature in the show coming up.
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Yeah. When I still like referencing
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back to our James Arnold Taylor interview, I loved when he said
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that about Obi-Wan that he as a performer.
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Sees 0, b. 1 is having a lot going on internally that we
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never see because he's always making Making that choice to
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take the steady path, the like, more thoughtful path of, you
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know, being more diplomatic not rushing in even though his
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Instinct might be to be that way.
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He has learned to behave, you know, with more control and
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that's the difference, right? Ahsoka learned and it can just
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never learned, right? He couldn't help and be like,
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what is that Meme? That, like, you can sum up all
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of the prequels with Obi-Wan going and it could wait, know
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exactly. I mean, Ireland are right.
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I have a pin right here, from one of our friends.
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She made the pin, but it's Yoda's.
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Quote. Is it an has pin?
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Yeah. Hi Anna.
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The greatest teacher failure is but I like have that up here,
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because, okay, and I can knock knock who's there.
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Failure over and over. And over in the man, still
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didn't learn until it was until the very end will say.
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Finally had his chance, but Ahsoka It just took took a whole
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long time, but he got there. You know what fashionably late?
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But Soca in all of her wiseness, her wit her.
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The what the wisdom she gained, from a young age, watching a
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mess and a hotter mess as her to teachers.
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She said, hmm, I'm gonna pick from this assortment of mess and
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take the best of both worlds. She did and there are a lot of
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really nice moments between Obi-Wan and Ahsoka in this.
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But yeah, I did notice. And when I say in this, I mean
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Clone Wars because obviously, that's it, right?
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That's the only time we see Obi-Wan and Ahsoka because they
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op1 show did not bring ass. Okay, into it at all, they can
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put half but we've covered that. Yeah, I do.
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I do notice that and maybe it's in a stark contrast to Anakin
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because it's such a stark contrast that Obi-Wan keeps
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Ahsoka a little bit. At arm's length, whereas her and
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Anakin are like brother sister. But if you take the kadavo arc,
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hiki Anakin keeps her out of his past with slavery and where he
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came from, and it's Obi-Wan, who has to talk to her.
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Yeah. And let her in.
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So, and she turns to him, when Anakin pushes her away, she
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turns to op1, specifically and Obi-Wan, is able to like, inform
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her with without disrespecting. Anakin correct privacy.
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You know, he tells her just enough so she gets it.
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Yeah. And and she knows that she can
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go to Obi-Wan for that, which I think is great because to be a
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good leader, you have to have trust and I think that's one of
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the things that Obi-Wan has Effortlessly with yeah, his
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clones, his Padawan, his former Padawan, you know, who whatever
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labels you want to put on these. I mean, he just people trust him
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because he's steady, he's consistent.
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I mean, you can say a lot of things about Obi-Wan, but you
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can't say he's not consistent. You know, that's true.
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He's very consistent. Yes.
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So I guess that leads, by example, I think that doesn't
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ask, he doesn't ask of others, what he Do himself and I think
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that's why we see so much loyalty from like Cody and you
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know, it's easy to forget to that 0 b 1 is obviously he's a
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Jedi master but if you look at his relationship with everyone
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including Anakin and Ahsoka in the Grand Army, he's everyone's
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commanding officer. Yes he is.
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He is he's the leader of the seventh Sky Court which is The
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50 First is part of that. So, Obi-Wan is actually the
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grand general of like, multiple Legions.
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That's kind of hot, right? He just it doesn't seem like it
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because he's just so friendly and you know, not imposed it
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casually. Yes, I don't know, he's just a
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badass but you're right. He does I mean there's an
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example of someone not letting a title go to his head.
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He's just You know, Obi-Wan, I can go to Obi-Wan for this, you
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know. Yeah, he can be both things.
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Yeah, right. Like he can be the Diplomatic
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Jedi Master with status, or you could just be someone you can
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trust and like turn to in a moment and I think Ahsoka is
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actually that way. Also mmm.
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She she's kind of aloof in Rebels and and man do.
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Yeah. You know, like yeah, she's she's
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not letting anyone even grow goo.
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She doesn't want to trade him, I don't blame her.
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Look at what the fuck happened. And that's what I want to talk
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about. Actually want to talk about
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Ahsoka leaving the order and Obi-Wan's involvement in it
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because it's at the very end of what we've seen as far as their
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ship and Anakin during this Arc, does Anakin things during this
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Arc. His character is exactly the
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same through the whole he still rushes to her Aid wants to be
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her friend. Come talk to me.
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This isn't right? You guys are, you know, you set
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this up as a formality for the trial and all this stuff.
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He's like how headed and and passionate and a non Ahsoka side
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and wants to see Ax and you know, all this stuff and Obi-Wan
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is surprising in that he's caught in a hard spot.
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He's all of these titles. We just talked about and he's on
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the council and he knows it. But he knows Ahsoka is, well, he
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doesn't argue against what Anakin saying either, and he
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never says anything about Ahsoka during her trial, you know, in
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the order when the order is, you know, before she goes before,
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the chancellor, he doesn't see his mysteriously quiet, and then
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he defends her in private. And he gets voted down.
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And I think he should have said something in front of everyone
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when he had the chance, when Anakin kind of stepped up and
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said, hey wait a second. You already you already have
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your mind's made up or whatever, whatever the dialogue is.
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Of all the people he could have had the most clout.
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That's thank you. Yes and so It's this thing where
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Obi-Wan is consistent, love them or hate them for it.
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He's right gonna play by that code.
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He's gonna play by the rules. Even if he knows in his heart
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like this probably isn't a Sokka Anakin's probably, right.
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And maybe we shouldn't make a harsh decision, but he doesn't
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say anything until like afterwards when they're kind of
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talking amongst themselves and then I love on the flip side,
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all the Happens, right? And then we get to season seven
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and they have their interaction in the hallway there.
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Where he's like, we gotta go get the chancellor and he's been
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captured by Grievous or whatever and she's just kind of spats
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with them. Like, oh, political, you're
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going political again is essentially, yep.
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Always the chancellor. Yeah, and it's like the clouds.
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Have finally dissipated from her eyes.
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Yeah. And it hasn't from them and
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these are her old like she went to them for advice.
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She went to them to confide in for for assistance for
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wayfinding if you will and and now she's on the other side.
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Like I don't know, it's very interesting because Obi-Wan
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says, That's not fair when she's accusing him of of going to the
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going to get Palpatine and and doing political stuff and she's
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like I'm not trying to be. They weren't fair to her during
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the trial. Yeah that was I don't know if
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ironic is the right word for ob1 human.
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Who's not fairs like? Okay bro.
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Well I wonder if they wrote it in there on purpose because
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everyone knows. Probably oh my gosh and so this
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is the this is the complication of Ahsoka and Obi-Wan because at
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the end of the day Obi-Wan is still like Master teacher
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Commander General whatever and he still like two or three
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levels above Ahsoka, no matter what.
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Yeah, and he really can't put personal.
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I also think to go with that like Satine taught him, you
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can't put personal above your duty because like he I feel like
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he did that to try and save her and of galaxies slapped him
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down. Really?
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Are she was killed? Yes.
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Yeah. You know, after that, he has
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that conversation with Anakin about it's during that Rush
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Clovis thing. That happens in the season 6,
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the like loss. Most missions or whatever.
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Yeah. And he says, you know, your
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feelings are normal but you really have got to be careful
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about putting your emotion first and it's like cuz they can be
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used against you to harm the people you care about.
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And I feel like after that, he's really got everyone at arm's
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length. Yes.
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He's just gonna do his fucking duty and stick with the code of
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the council. And well, isn't that exactly how
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Ahsoka turns out she keeps everyone at aren't?
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She's gone through these things. Same as Obi-Wan.
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And she's like, nope, Gonna Keep you at arm's.
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Length, not forming a bond. Not going to teach grow Goo, not
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going to deal with this. I'm gonna go and save people and
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peace out. Yeah.
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And I think there's a lot more similarities there between her
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and, and Obi-Wan than meets the eye.
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And I think it's a delayed very obviously on the surface, she's
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like a mannequin, right? But the delayed similarities of
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her. An Obi-Wan come later in the
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game. Yeah, I 100% agree with that,
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especially, and everything. Basically post Revenge of the
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Sith. That's where they're really
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distilled down to who they are right by that point because they
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don't have as many external pulls, right?
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Like only ones no longer General, he's not even got any
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friends, you know. He's just him at his most like,
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basic self and so, is she there both these abandoned people just
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in the Galaxy who now have to choose their path?
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For the first time and they've never been faced with that kind
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of choice before. Man, I think you're so right
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that especially at that point, you start to see how Sokka is
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very much, like, Obi-Wan and her sense of control and being able
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to, I don't know. I kind of wish we got a
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conversation. Maybe not, you know, on film or
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TV or whatever. But I would love to know what
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their conversation Obi-Wan and ahsoka's talk would have been
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had they met after all of this, maybe even before he meets up
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with Darth Vader and everything is revealed.
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Like I just want to know, do they both apart?
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Would they both apologized to each other?
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But they both say you were right to each other.
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Yeah, because yeah, it's a good question.
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I think after everything that happened, I think Ahsoka would
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look back and say, you know what, I get what Obi-Wan did now
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I get why? Yeah, and I would hope that
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well, okay. So I have a question for you.
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I heard, you know, the crystal crisis on utapau that.
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Yeah. The extra episode that was never
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finished, but it's still technically Cannon and there's
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that conversation between Anakin and Obi-Wan about us, okay?
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Leaving the order. Yeah, so there's this line that
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I have always interpreted one way and I just heard someone
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else interpret it completely opposite and it makes me wonder
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what your thoughts are on it. Okay, it's when Obi-Wan says
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that a Jedi part of being a Jedi is not letting emotion Cloud,
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your decision or your judgment. And that's exactly what Ahsoka
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did even in her moment of, like, even in her greatest moment of
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need or something like that. And I always thought That meant
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that she didn't let judge like emotion Cloud, her judgment that
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she decided to leave the order because she knew she needed
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distance and time, but someone else interpreted as Obi-Wan
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blaming Ahsoka and being like a not very good.
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Jedi she left under heightened emotion.
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She let her motion decide that she was going to leave and I
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never took it that way. But what are your thoughts on
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it? No, I can't see.
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Number one, I can't see Obi-Wan. Being vindictive like that.
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Like what would he gain by saying that especially to Anakin
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right? As Anakin was saying that she
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was wrong that? Like, she kind of let him down
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by leaving. Well, yeah, that's Anakin being
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like me. Me me me me all the way home,
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you know? So look what it did to me.
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Look how she left me. Look at what had she left me
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with, you know. Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know. I never would have thought of
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Obi-Wan thinking that way about a Soca in such a Negative term.
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I always took it as he respected her decision because she made it
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on her own. She didn't need any adult
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deciding for her. That was what was right for her
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and she made that decision. Yeah.
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And that seems more like an Obi-Wan answer and he would use
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if Anakin's emotional and and I'm Pointed her.
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And she left me whatever, which kind of goes against him.
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Standing there watching her go. It's kind of the, I always felt
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like they left with this undercurrent of understanding of
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like you get me right and he says, yeah, but it's never
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spoken, yes, but it's always that.
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Okay. You agree to go your separate
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ways with a partner, right? And it's all hunky-dory and you
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know you're not good for each other, whatever.
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But then like a month later like why the fuck did I let them go?
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What could I do? Done.
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I bet you it's the same mindset and I can sit here a couple
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months later, like, yeah, what could I have done and why did
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she do that? And why didn't we try harder?
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And, you know, all these things that I'm trying to think like an
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Anakin think, like an anaconda, or don't, but I could see,
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Obi-Wan, taking that and trying to turning into a lesson for
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Anakin so that would fit into that.
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Not not the vindictive, but the not the accusatory.
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Right? But the well Anakin dot dot dot
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and later in episode 7, one of my favorite moments but episode
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7, season 7, yes. Season 7 episode 10 is one of my
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favorite interactions between Obi-Wan and Ahsoka and that's
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when he tells her that Anakin's on this special Mission, you
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know, to spy on the chancellor. And Ahsoka says, asking me to
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help convince Anakin that the council is, got his best
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interests in mind. You're asking the wrong person,
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right? Over says, that's why I'm asking
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you. Yeah, which implies that.
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Like he also agrees with her, that this is a terrible thing
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that they're making Anakin do. But it also makes me wonder like
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is he asking her to maybe convince Anakin like if this is
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wrong for you, maybe you could step away like a soak.
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Oh, did ya like instead of turning to the dark side maybe
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yeah. Just just walk away.
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Don't do it. But you know I think Obi-Wan at
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that point their motives may be so much friction between them.
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Yeah. And enough of these moments that
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Obi-Wan thought that Anakin I'm sorry.
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That Ahsoka could be the only one to speak to to Anakin and
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that raises all these things of like what if anak, what if
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Ahsoka had gone to Mustafar with?
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Can instead of Obi-Wan and they had that fight their eye that
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would have ended badly. I don't think Ahsoka what it
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came out on top. I don't either as good as she
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was. I think that too many emotions.
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Yeah. And like the fact that ob1 was
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perfectly matched him. The whole time they're fighting,
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they couldn't even get a blow on each other they said because
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they're like perfect mirrors to each other.
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That's so poetically, beautiful and heartbreaking.
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I know we should do like a whole episode on the Mustafar fight,
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because it's fucking awesome. Actually, we should do that.
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Yes. And talk about why Mustafar is
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just awful, but systematically great for a final battle when I
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really like how it's the opposite of their battle in the
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Kenobi series. You know, it's like oh yeah, oh
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yeah, the coat. Other schemes are flipped and
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it's this Barren. Dry dead landscape as opposed to
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Muzaffar which is this like Dynamic lava burning crazy
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changing landscape you could think of the lava churning and
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burning as the emotion and then by the time they get to where
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they are in Kenobi. It's cold.
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Yeah, it's gone dead. So yeah, it's just, I know some
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people didn't like that environment, but I really
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thought it was a really nice symbol.
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What was going on in their internal landscape?
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It had to be that dramatic. It had to be.
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It just had to be. We're talking about a Skywalker
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and Kenobi, it has to be drama please.
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Anyway, we're off on a tangent now, but basically what I'm
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saying is, I don't think a circle would have made it out of
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Mustafar and I think it's because you got too emotional.
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Will people. Now when she battles Vader in
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Rebels, She's grown, she's had that distance.
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She's done all that, you know. Yeah, much different.
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Yeah. Plus there's all that, you know,
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in Between Worlds business that nobody knows anything about
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whatever. I know it's, I'm confused.
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Yeah. So, we were supposed to pick
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favorite moments, right? Yeah.
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Well, mine is. I told you mine already one of
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my favorites and it's just such as we did.
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It's just such a small moment, my moment takes place on mortis
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and it's just the tiny moment where ahsoka's fixing the ship
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and agins gone off to be evil and she's fixing the ship or
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whatever and Obi-Wan comes back and hands her a cup of calf.
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And it's, yeah, she has Goggles, you know, the working goggles.
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And she looks so badass in the she really does.
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And I kind of like mechanic Ahsoka.
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But yeah, it's just such a nice like homie thing like here.
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I know you've been working have a sip of this, it'll warm you
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up, you know, it's the sharing, he needed, he knows her needs.
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He's aware. He's you know, emotionally
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intelligent enough to see like perhaps she's distressed.
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Here's a cup of something, you know, and I like that about
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Obi-Wan He's his, his care. Level is more subtle than like
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Anakin swooping in and being, like, do you need a hug or
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something, you know, do you need me to pour salt?
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Yeah, Force hug you? I don't know.
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I just think it's a sweet moment.
25:49
It's not a very big moment, but it's a sweet moment and I've
25:52
always liked. It was such a little touch that
25:54
they didn't have to add. Yeah, one of mine is actually
25:58
from the same park because it's, there's a lot of, because
26:03
Anakin's off doing his like tormented, you know, yes
26:06
Darkseid thing, yes. So V1 and Ahsoka are more
26:09
together and that Arc than another ones.
26:12
But I love the moment where the father is making, Anakin choose
26:17
between only one and Ahsoka and only one says save a Sokka like
26:21
he's so selfless that he's like Don't even question it.
26:26
Like just save your patawad. Yeah, I love that.
26:29
It's such a, it's like one line and that's it.
26:32
But I love that he saw on assuming with how like vital he
26:35
is though, it'll be one. Yeah, yeah, I know he doesn't
26:41
even think about it and but in that moment, even he is the one
26:46
who gets through Anakin's emotional state and says, like
26:51
the planet is the force like use that, yes.
26:56
If you're not going to make a choice, here's what you could
26:58
possibly do. And and I also wonder if he
27:04
says, like save Ahsoka because that would be harder for him to
27:08
lose his Padawan, then to lose his master.
27:11
I don't know. And then he does.
27:12
Anyway, oh, Star Wars, this pain?
27:19
That's awful. Do you have another moment?
27:23
I do I have one that's super random kinda and it's from an
27:29
arc I hardly ever watch because it's just kind of one of those
27:33
devastating arcs were at the end.
27:35
It's just really sad that onderon orc.
27:38
Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
27:43
Steela and saw gerrera. Yeah, so I like there's this
27:49
moment where steela and saw and all their, I don't know if
27:52
they're insurgents are partisans or whatever, they're calling
27:55
themselves at this point and time, but they go through the
27:58
city and start kind of making a show of force and then they all
28:03
regroup, and come back, while the Jedi are just kind of
28:06
observing, while the soldiers are doing this, and they open
28:08
back and regroup, and Obi-Wan turns, to a Soca in front of
28:13
everyone and says, what did You observe?
28:15
Padawan and she says, the people were afraid.
28:20
And I love that moment because he already knows the answer, but
28:25
he wants to see if she's been, you know, learning and
28:28
observing. But it's also said in this way
28:31
where he kind of respects her opinion.
28:33
So it's, it's kind of like, he knows that she knows, but he
28:36
wants her to say it out loud so that everyone else in the room
28:38
can hear it and coming from like the younger person.
28:42
The student, observed it even so that maybe that has more weight
28:46
with the soldiers, listening, you know?
28:48
I don't know. I just really At that moment.
28:51
Yeah, that's a good one. That's that Ark is troublesome.
28:57
It's heartbreaking, honestly, it's it's so important though in
29:02
so many ways. Yeah, it it and it for her
29:05
especially because she's supposed to be doing her Duty
29:09
and this is after a bunch of other like really hard because
29:12
this is Steve season 5. So she's already been through a
29:15
lot and she's having to deal with Lux bonteri at the same
29:19
time. So it's like yeah, she's it's
29:22
like the first time. She needs to really do her Duty
29:24
and ignore that super emotional part.
29:26
And she struggles with it, but ultimately, I think she kind of
29:29
overcomes that at the end. So, I still don't know how I
29:34
feel about him and the addition of him I'm really torn on it
29:38
honestly. Same sometimes I like it and
29:42
sometimes I'm like I know. Is this?
29:45
Yeah. Okay get it.
29:47
But I don't I like when they first introduced them, because
29:52
he is a foil for Sokka, you know, he's kind of like, well,
29:55
I'm a separatist and I think I'm right, and you're a Republican
29:59
and you think you're right? Or are they called for
30:01
publication? I actually don't know, the
30:04
people of the Republic. Yeah, but it's the first time
30:08
she starts to question. There's only one point of view,
30:13
you know, that there's actually multiple point of views that are
30:17
valid. Just like you've always said,
30:18
like even Stormtroopers thought they were doing the right thing.
30:21
Yeah. So I mean yeah I like his
30:24
character for that but then the whole like romantic side of it
30:28
what was always questionable if was it was never like an overt
30:33
thing. I guess I don't know.
30:35
Maybe it is over it. I don't really remember it too
30:37
well because I don't like the episodes that he's in usually.
30:40
So I I don't watch it. I don't think it's over.
30:43
I don't think it's over. I think I think she's just a
30:46
child not a child. I'll say she's an adolescent
30:50
with struggling with her emotions as all adolescents do.
30:55
Yeah. You know?
30:57
Yeah, yeah. Maybe you're growing up around
31:01
Obi-Wan and Anakin and you fall for Lux?
31:04
What. Yeah, what is that?
31:06
Come on. Get out with that hair.
31:15
Sorry, Luxe. My God.
31:19
That hair is nothing to brag about.
31:20
Anyway, what are we talking about?
31:23
Do you have another one? Well they're all dumb.
31:26
They're all tiny moments. There's that's good though.
31:29
I think the small moments are the most telling sometimes I
31:34
like when they do they land on Felucia in the bouncy balls.
31:39
Oh my God, I was thinking of including this moment.
31:44
Yes, I love that. Ho Lucia that whole scene when
31:48
in the ship, the ship is crashing.
31:50
They, they emergency pool, they land in the bouncy balls, which
31:55
I think is a great idea. I don't know why we don't make
31:57
something like this, you know, I thought the same.
32:00
It's really clever. I don't know, maybe someday.
32:03
They will come up with instead of parachutes.
32:06
We get bouncy balls. Yeah, like I'm sure there's a
32:09
weight equals mass something problem in there somewhere with
32:13
the amount of force exerted if you're bouncing Cantera.
32:16
But a scientist could figure that out.
32:18
That's what I'm just not me. Where's my panel from London?
32:24
Someone on that panel can figure this out but when they get out
32:29
of the bouncy balls and they're dusting themselves off and
32:31
they're trying to figure out where they're going and a so,
32:33
Just kind of looking at them like what the fuck am I dealing
32:35
with here? Yes, you know, and there's like
32:37
animals and creatures around. She's like, ah, maybe we should
32:40
get going like but they're so, it's so funny.
32:44
They're great through the entire episode Ahsoka and her minute
32:48
many interactions throughout that entire episode with Obi-Wan
32:52
her observing Obi-Wan, you know, her adding her two cents in when
32:58
they're trying to figure out what to do with those villagers
33:00
and stuff. I don't know.
33:01
It's the little moments. That kind of build a rapport
33:05
that her and Obi-Wan have an understanding and a trust a
33:09
level of trust and a level of respect.
33:13
And that's why when we get to the wrong Jedi or the Jedi, that
33:18
knew too much or whatever that whole sequence is of episodes
33:21
where she leaves. It's so much more heartbreaking
33:23
that he didn't speak up sooner, or couldn't win the Jedi Council
33:28
over. Yeah, yes.
33:31
But either both. Yeah.
33:33
I It's, it's actually a really heartbreaking relationship Arc.
33:37
That you think I've had, I've had people describe
33:42
relationships that fall apart in this way, and I think it's
33:45
actually really smart. It's like you're putting
33:47
deposits in the bank and then the day you need all the money.
33:50
There's no money in there. Oh, well, that's good.
33:55
Just like, Oh, I thought we were building something and then when
33:58
I needed it, it's not there and really good, right?
34:02
Just really, that's it. said it is, but you know, It's, that's
34:09
what it feels like. You know, if you look at the
34:11
very beginning of the Clone Wars movie, when ahsoka's first
34:15
introduced, all the way to season 7, you know, it's quite a
34:20
painful Arc for this bright-eyed bushy-tailed, child thinking
34:25
that there's a bright future coming.
34:29
It's that thing, where if you knew your end, maybe you
34:32
wouldn't even begin, you know. Yeah buts.
34:35
I'm glad we don't know because the Ernie is what makes the end.
34:39
Yeah. Mmm.
34:41
Is what makes the end fill in the blank?
34:43
However, you want worthwhile? Yeah, worth it meaningful.
34:50
Whatever the importance of living in the moment, right?
34:53
Because if you're worrying about the future or Reminiscing on the
34:56
past, your, you could be in a really dark place.
34:59
It's always safest to be in the here and now.
35:02
Yes. And yeah, that's a great moment,
35:05
though. I loved.
35:06
I thought of that too, and especially that scene because
35:08
Anakin is leaning against the wall.
35:11
But Ahsoka is sitting at the table with Obi-Wan like actively
35:14
involved in listening and learning.
35:16
Yes. And I noticed that too and the
35:18
The thing is that's her diplomatic side.
35:21
Anakin's almost like nervous energy, but those two are
35:27
literally listening. Trying to figure out and I like
35:29
that. There's a parallel between those
35:31
two instead of her, an anicut, I think it's a well-balanced,
35:35
she's well-balanced. Yeah, I like that too.
35:39
I said, I kind of love to the interaction and holocron Heist,
35:42
which is in season two right at the beginning.
35:45
Because that whole episode is her in the library on Duty.
35:49
Well, that's true. Yeah, at the beginning.
35:52
It's because she doesn't listen to 0, b, 1.
35:55
And he's actually yelling at her over the Comm link, saying
35:58
you're putting your troops at risk is true.
36:00
You will get on this ship. Yeah.
36:03
And she just she needs like five more minutes or so we can do
36:06
this or whatever. Yeah.
36:08
And it's his first like lesson to her of.
36:11
You're not looking at the bigger picture, you're looking at
36:14
what's right in front of you and you're not seeing.
36:16
Yeah, that there is more at Play And I like it because it's so
36:21
like, oh, we won and Angry Dad bowed, it is, you know, trust
36:27
the adult. He's he knows more than you do
36:29
kid, I've been through it and that's the thing with a
36:32
commander. The commander is looking at
36:34
everything and Ahsoka only sees this much of a much larger.
36:39
Yeah. You gotta, you gotta trust your
36:41
your general for that. Yeah.
36:43
Well in she's a she's a child. Yeah it's one of those moments
36:47
where I think. This is the wrong kind of person
36:50
would be humiliated by that and Ahsoka is she's ashamed but she
36:55
also learns humility because of it actually makes her a better
36:59
Jedi overall. So it's it was kind of cool to
37:03
see her growing pains, you know, that we actually get to see her
37:06
making mistakes. Well, who can't relate with
37:08
that. How many times have we thought
37:10
we knew better than the person instructing us and it came back
37:13
to bite Us in the ass, right? Right.
37:15
Everyone has had that experience at.
37:17
Pretty sure the Point is to learn from it.
37:20
Anakin every now and then he did, but mostly no.
37:29
Yeah. Me he was great except when he
37:31
lost control. Yeah that's kind of like rule
37:34
number one or something. I love them permanent Loose
37:39
Cannon, don't care, love them or do.
37:42
Yeah. Look, they're one big happy
37:45
family, who eventually become very unhappy, but eventually
37:49
become happy again, okay? Or just just mildly satisfied.
37:54
Yeah, mildly satisfied. A great big potluck.
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