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Speaker 1: Is the gold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight the Greens go crazy. A senator gives a speech
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Speaker 2: to a lawless building union behind a coffin of the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister while this poisonously anti Israel party's leader promised
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Speaker 2: today to ban you gas and rob business of half
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Speaker 2: a trillion dollars. The question now for Labour is this,
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Speaker 2: why are you helping this lunatic party into Parliament with
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Speaker 2: your vote deals. Also tonight, Treasure Jim Charmers embarrassed there's
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Speaker 2: a smear campaign against Peter Dutton backfires. I'll also talk
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Speaker 2: to a top lawyer's being called a racist for saying
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Speaker 2: no to acknowledgments of country. Why does she do it?
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Speaker 2: And so much more, including France's attack on your free speech,
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Speaker 2: the arrest of the head of a hugely popular message site,
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Speaker 2: and Julie Bishop, the former Foreign minister paid to sell
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Speaker 2: a mineral company as women friendly by loafing around telling
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Speaker 2: an off joke that company is now in trouble. But
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Speaker 2: where is Julie? But first, before I get to the
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Speaker 2: growing scandal over Environment Minister Tanya Plivsk effectively banning a
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Speaker 2: one billion dollar gold main the local traditional owner set
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Speaker 2: was not actually his sacred Site boy in the New
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Speaker 2: Southwest Premier today there to have it before I get
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Speaker 2: to that another story and insight into things like this
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Speaker 2: are sorry times. A council in Melbourne's northeastern fringe decided
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Speaker 2: it would also ban into this whole reconciliation racket. It
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Speaker 2: would rename a local park. Now, apparently it's not enough
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Speaker 2: that this council itself has an Aboriginal name Lembick it's
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Speaker 2: for injury, but a local park had to have any
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Speaker 2: name as well, calling it civic park or civic play space. Well,
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Speaker 2: that was just too colonial, So the council voted to
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Speaker 2: change its name to Kirrip. It's a Worunjuri word meaning friend. No,
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Speaker 2: I agree, you're so cute, probably well meaning, but also
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Speaker 2: ultimately meaningless. I mean, We'reundury is actually listed as an
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Speaker 2: extinct language by the Endangered Languages Project. What's more, just
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Speaker 2: zero point six percent of people in Nilmbu identify as
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal under our increasingly absurd definition. So who's the council
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Speaker 2: trying to impress? But this Aboriginal name is not meaningless
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Speaker 2: to the Wurunjury warn Cultural Heritage Aboriginal Corporation see this
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Speaker 2: money in wiping English words from our map. The minutes
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Speaker 2: of the latest Nilimbooker Shia council meeting explains much, and
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Speaker 2: the councilor decided to get this We're Unjury Warorung Corporation's
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Speaker 2: permission to use that curate word, and the minutes reveal
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Speaker 2: that it was built five hundred and fifty dollars plus
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Speaker 2: GST for word translation and approval. But that's just the start.
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Speaker 2: The council minutes and adds usage fees for ongoing use
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Speaker 2: of a name will be three thousand, five hundred dollars
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Speaker 2: plus GST. You think what ongoing that much for using
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Speaker 2: a name just ban as a gesture of friendship, And
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Speaker 2: who gets that money exactly? Well? How many were injury
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Speaker 2: and Warrung descendants actually do have European ancestry as well.
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Speaker 2: So why is this We're undreary warorun association entitled to
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Speaker 2: a fee for a word from a language that none
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Speaker 2: actually speak conversationally and many of their ancestors never spoke
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Speaker 2: at all. Now I have no problem with people call
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Speaker 2: themselves whatever they like. Australia's problem now is paying for
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Speaker 2: their choices, which brings me to the people identifying as
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal who persuade federal environment with It's the tenure plivask
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Speaker 2: to effectively block a one billion dollar gold mine in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales, even after it had gone through all
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Speaker 2: the normal approvals. The local traditional owners, for one, said, look,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing sacred about this site to justify a ban.
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Speaker 2: Yet Plivsk instead listened to seventeen or eighteen dissidents, including
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Speaker 2: and someone claiming to be a local elder and etcetera, etcetera. Look,
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Speaker 2: it's all getting absurd, especially as we continue to inter marry. Now,
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Speaker 2: one day most Australians may be able to claim some
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal forebear from centuries earlier. That Aboriginal artist claims descendants
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Speaker 2: from someone a woman two hundred years ago, a single
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Speaker 2: ancestor two hundred years ago, and all of us will
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Speaker 2: be able to do something like that, or generations from now,
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Speaker 2: so they'll be able to say, look, I'm abridge all
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Speaker 2: too because of some ancestor hundreds of years ago alone
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Speaker 2: among their hundreds of European or Asian ancestors. And you've
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Speaker 2: got to say, then, so what so what how does
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Speaker 2: so distant an ancestor long dead entital you to any
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Speaker 2: more rights, respect, acknowledgements or handouts than anyone else. So
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Speaker 2: I say cuos to New Southwest Premier Chris Means, who
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Speaker 2: may be labor but still believes in common sense, and
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Speaker 2: let plibers have it today for blocking a mind on
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Speaker 2: such flimsy reasons that New South Wales really needs.
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Speaker 3: I'm disappointed by the decision from the Commonwealth Government.
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Speaker 1: Do you disagree with the river Sliver said that many
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Speaker 1: times and.
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Speaker 2: So in your view ten you're clever sick using that power?
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Speaker 2: Was she was in error? Yes, as I said earlier.
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Speaker 2: For one, we need a much tighter definition of Aboriginal now.
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Speaker 2: But more than that, isn't it our time that we
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Speaker 2: ditch this crazy obsession with the race of some of
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Speaker 2: our long dead ancestors had gone on with just working together,
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Speaker 2: but to another group of people threatening to wreck our future.
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Speaker 2: The Greens now today prove the Albanize governments now end
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Speaker 2: it's voting deal with the Greens. It puts Green's MPs
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Speaker 2: into Parliament to push their poison. This is about more
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Speaker 2: than the greens manic attacks on Israel, attacks with the
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Speaker 2: effect of inciting jewe haters. It's about more than their
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Speaker 2: deputy leaders refusal to even condemn the Harmas terrorist group.
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Speaker 1: Does Hamas need to be dismantled?
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Speaker 4: The Palestineans need to decide where they want to go.
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Speaker 1: So if they choose Amas, that's okay. And what can
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Speaker 1: I say? I should have been dismantled.
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Speaker 4: Hamas is an organization that exists in the region.
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Speaker 1: Sure you're able to say whether you'd like to see
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Speaker 1: them go on.
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Speaker 5: And it's not up to meet.
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Speaker 2: But now we've got this Federal Greens MP sort of
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Speaker 2: child politician Max Chandler May the yesterdy're whipping up a
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Speaker 2: rally of members of the corrupt and lawless Sea for
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Speaker 2: me who building union? This is the union that's been
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Speaker 2: put into an administration so dodgy and standing behind a
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Speaker 2: coffin with the prime Minister's picture with the sign calling
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Speaker 2: in public enemy number one and it's the science painting
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Speaker 2: Albanize is a hitler. The chance that May there apparently
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Speaker 2: asked for these signs to be taken down, but they
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Speaker 2: weren't in the state and he rallied them mob.
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Speaker 5: They have passed the most raconian anti worker, anti union
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Speaker 5: laws this country has ever seen.
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Speaker 2: And then today Green's leader and a band gave a
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Speaker 2: speech promising to smash business with an extra tax worth
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Speaker 2: half a trillion dollars extra over the next decade, and
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Speaker 2: he said no to no more new gas projects. On
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Speaker 2: the very day than a new report warned that our
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Speaker 2: domestic gas supplies were actually running out.
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Speaker 6: We'll continue to push to stop the opening of new
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Speaker 6: colon gas mines.
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Speaker 2: I mean this is just insane. So for Labor, this
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Speaker 2: is now a moral issue. That's because of the deals
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Speaker 2: that Labor makes with the Greens that puts many members
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Speaker 2: of this nasty, destructive and divisive party into Parliament controlling
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Speaker 2: your future. These Greens MPs, they are there because Labor
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Speaker 2: swaps preferences with the Greens at the election. They get
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Speaker 2: in with Labour's preferences, most of them rely on it,
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Speaker 2: and that now has to stop. Join A Cameron Milner,
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Speaker 2: former chief of staff to Labor leader Bill short And and
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Speaker 2: now director of GXO Strategies, and Michael cost to the
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Speaker 2: former New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Cameron, you have negotiated
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Speaker 2: these preference deals yourself in a past political life. Shouldn't
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Speaker 2: Labor now put the Greens lass on their preference ticket
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Speaker 2: at the next selection the Greens now are surely too extreme.
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Speaker 4: And Andrew I was there in ninety eight when Peter
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Speaker 4: Beatty and Labour stood up against One Nation despite it
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Speaker 4: not being in our electoral interests because One Nation was
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Speaker 4: an extreme party that was race baiting at the time.
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Speaker 4: So Labour's got form and putting parties that go to
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Speaker 4: race and go to anti Semitism and go to anti
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Speaker 4: Israel positions in pro guns positions in case of One
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Speaker 4: Nation last on ballot paper. So Labor could do this
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Speaker 4: if they wanted to. I'm fearful though, that Alba actually
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Speaker 4: wants the Greens in the Parliament because he knows he's
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Speaker 4: going to become a minority government. He wants to do
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Speaker 4: a sweetheart deal, just the way Gillard and Swan did
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Speaker 4: with Brown, you know, the Wattle Tree deal to form
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Speaker 4: minority government.
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Speaker 2: Again, that's why they want the Greens there.
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Speaker 4: So Labor should actually be standing up against the race boating,
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Speaker 4: standing up against this poser. Chandler may Tho is staying
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Speaker 4: out there with Nazi science and thinking that's all okay.
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Speaker 4: They should reject those people completely, but they should also
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Speaker 4: rule out any deal, any deal any time with the
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Speaker 4: Greens to form minority government because Adam Bant, as we
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Speaker 4: saw today, would wreck this country and wreck this economy
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Speaker 4: if you gave him the driving seat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, charms May's suggested that the sciences
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Speaker 2: be taking Now that's a report. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: it's true, but that's what we reported. So give him
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Speaker 2: a pass on that then. But Michael Costa, what do
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Speaker 2: you make of this? Put? Labour would think that if
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Speaker 2: it did put, the Greens lasted to lose off as
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Speaker 2: as much as their Cameron suggested. But really this is
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Speaker 2: a moral issue, now, isn't it.
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Speaker 7: Look this has been a moral issue for at least
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Speaker 7: two decades.
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Speaker 2: I advocated not.
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Speaker 7: Giving preferences to the Greens when I was Vice president
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Speaker 7: of Labour Party in New South Wales. So that didn't
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Speaker 7: go down very well. Look, I think it's too late.
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Speaker 7: I think they're in a death embrace with the Greens.
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Speaker 7: What's going to happen is they will take their preferences.
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Speaker 7: They need their preferences to hold those inner city seats.
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Speaker 7: But over time the credential dignoramuses that vote for the
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Speaker 7: Greens will abandon the Labor Party in those seats will
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Speaker 7: be Green forever. At the same time, Labour's loss of
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Speaker 7: blue collar base because of its embrace of the Greens.
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Speaker 7: And you can see that as clear as day in
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Speaker 7: that gold mining decision. You know, the fact of the
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Speaker 7: matter is they trade it off blue collar jobs, good
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Speaker 7: blue collar jobs, revenue for central services to appease the Greens.
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Speaker 7: And that is the rationale of the modern Labor Party
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Speaker 7: and it is pathetic, but it is the real politics
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Speaker 7: that we're dealing with.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just think if they don't knock off the
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Speaker 2: Greens soon, the Greens will eat them long term. It's
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Speaker 2: now or never. That's for the Labor to The openings
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Speaker 2: in government is in such strafe. Now, I know you're
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Speaker 2: you like Jim Chalmers, Cameron, but I have to say
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, he gave a speech abusing opportunity to Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, calling him divisive, dangerous, disqualify
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Speaker 2: from being a leader. That speech must have backfard, I think, Cameron,
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Speaker 2: because this is how Charmers started his press conference today,
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Speaker 2: both denying he was actually distracted but with all this
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Speaker 2: hate preaching he was doing, but then doubling down on it.
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Speaker 9: Here is I'm very happy to come to that specific question.
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Speaker 9: But before I do, I want to say something about
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Speaker 9: the speech that I.
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Speaker 2: Gave on Monday night.
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Speaker 9: Ninety percent of it was about paying tribute to the
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Speaker 9: memory of John Curtin and talking overwhelmingly about cost of
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Speaker 9: living and the future of our economy. But I don't
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Speaker 9: resolve one bit from the remarks that I made about
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Speaker 9: Peter Dutton on Monday night. Peter Dutton is a divisive figure,
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Speaker 9: and I believe he is too divisive to be the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister of a great country like out.
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Speaker 2: I have to say that sounds like him. Jim Chalmer's
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Speaker 2: trying to have her both ways. I made a mistake
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Speaker 2: deverning so much from a speech to attacking Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: But here let me attack him some more well, Andrew.
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Speaker 4: I'm a great fan of Jim Charmers, and I think
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Speaker 4: in this instance Jim has overstepped the mark, and I
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Speaker 4: think he's recognized that in his own comments.
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Speaker 2: Say Jim's better than this.
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Speaker 4: Jim isn't a nasty individual like Albow, He's not a
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Speaker 4: cheap shot guy like some of the other front benches are.
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Speaker 4: Jim's much better than that, So I think in this
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Speaker 4: instance he's overstepped the mark. But clearly what's happening at
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Speaker 4: Andrew is there are leadership hopefuls looking at how weak
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Speaker 4: this prime minister is. This prime miister is stumbling from
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Speaker 4: Newspol to newspole, tripping through policy things like the guards
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Speaker 4: and visas. People are worried that Albow is actually not
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Speaker 4: going to make it to the line. So everyone in
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Speaker 4: the Labour Party who's actually got a leadership back in
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Speaker 4: their back pocket is jostly, including Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 2: I wonder, Michael, whether Jim Charmers is getting a little
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Speaker 2: aggressive and abusive because the economy is not doing what
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Speaker 2: he'd like. I mean, today you saw inflation coming down,
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Speaker 2: but not as much as expected or hoped by Labor,
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Speaker 2: from three point eight percent to three point five, still
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Speaker 2: above what's needed for interest rate cuts. Food prices actually
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Speaker 2: went up, but electricity down a lot, partly because of
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Speaker 2: a one thousand dollars pre election rebate on power prices
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Speaker 2: in Queensland. Plus the avenue is the government's three hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars rebate that's kicking in already Westernstralian Queensland. So is
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Speaker 2: this a real fall in interest rates? Is this an
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Speaker 2: argument for cutting interest rates? This side of Christmas's labor
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Speaker 2: desperately was hoping.
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Speaker 7: Not in the least Andrew, Look, this is treading water
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Speaker 7: and of course the next set of figures will also
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Speaker 7: have that energy bates expect those to be also on
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Speaker 7: a downward trajectory. Look in terms of you know Charmers,
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Speaker 7: I know Cameron's a fan, but I've got to say, look,
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Speaker 7: these attacks on Dutton remind me of the attacks on
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Speaker 7: Tony Abbott. They're exactly the same. And you talk about
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Speaker 7: the busiedness, I mean, who took the voice to the
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Speaker 7: country and split the country. It wasn't It wasn't Dutton,
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Speaker 7: it was alban So the bottom line is that they're
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Speaker 7: they're under pressure and they they are desperate to find
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Speaker 7: an angle to attack Dutton. In terms of the Treasurer himself, looker,
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Speaker 7: I've always thought he's a bit vacuous when he wrote
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Speaker 7: that silly monthly essay saying that he was out to
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Speaker 7: reform capitalism. You know, our system has worked for three
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Speaker 7: hundred years, that has given wealth and given enormous prosperity
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Speaker 7: to everybody. Jim Charmers is going to come along with
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Speaker 7: his PhD and reform it in the space of three years.
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Speaker 7: So I think he's got a lot of hubris about him,
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Speaker 7: and I think these inflation figures are not going the
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Speaker 7: way he expected, and I think he is panicking.
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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, if labor does squeak in
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Speaker 2: with the support of the Greens, with the Greens egging
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Speaker 2: them on, he might have to start trying to reinvent capitalism.
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Speaker 2: And beware. Michael Costa, Cameron Milner, thank you both for
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Speaker 2: your time. Listen. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, as you know.
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Speaker 2: I mean I had to go to candas Owns a
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Speaker 2: couple of times this week. But you do have to
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Speaker 2: worry about big government trying now to control messages and
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Speaker 2: social media and getting away with it. Two big developments
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Speaker 2: now this week, including a dramatic arrest in Paris. First,
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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg, who runs Facebook, is now admitted the US
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Speaker 2: government and the FBI persuaded Facebook to censor, to take
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Speaker 2: down posts about COVID lockdowns, etc. That the government didn't like,
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Speaker 2: and even to censor posts about a laptop with damning
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Speaker 2: revelations about President Joe Barden, which Bud persuaded Facebook was
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Speaker 2: just Russian disinformation when the laptop was actually his sons.
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Speaker 2: Now Zuckerberg has now said, well, it's too late. I
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Speaker 2: believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that
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Speaker 2: we were not more outspoken about it. What a weasel.
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Speaker 2: By the way, our own government has also been trying
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Speaker 2: that censorship trick in the COVID panic.
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Speaker 10: Facebook, to use an example, matter has got a policy
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Speaker 10: about missing disinformation as it relates to COVID, and so
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Speaker 10: we have been working with the platform.
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Speaker 2: But the second bit of news might actually be more frightening,
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Speaker 2: although details are scarce. French police have arrested Pavlsurov, he's
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Speaker 2: the head of the very popular telegram messaging app, for
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Speaker 2: reasons that aren't clear. I mean, why they have they
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Speaker 2: arrested him. It seems maybe to involve not cooperating with
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Speaker 2: governments to do more censorship of messages. Could be child
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Speaker 2: sex related or terrorism or drug trafficking. That maybe telegram's helping,
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Speaker 2: telegrams helping there. But Zerofas said he's actually been under
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Speaker 2: pressure before, including from governments like the US government wanting
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Speaker 2: to crack down on opposition groups or messages they didn't like,
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Speaker 2: and he won't sell out free speech.
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Speaker 11: We believe that the competition of different ideas can result
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Speaker 11: in progress and a better world for everyone.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Ron Deane, edser in chief of the
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Speaker 2: Spectator's throwing hosts of Outsiders here on Sky News every
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Speaker 2: Sunday at nine am and rating it socks off Rowan.
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Speaker 2: No one outside the investigation knows what's actually happening here.
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Speaker 2: The French president has announced it's not political, although you know,
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Speaker 2: take that with a grand as salt.
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Speaker 5: Maybe your take, well, I think that what we're saying
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Speaker 5: with the two examples you've given, with the Pavel Telegram
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Speaker 5: being arrested for supposedly who knows, perhaps there is some
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Speaker 5: kind of drug or.
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Speaker 12: Terrorism related thing.
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Speaker 5: Telegram, by the way, is simply a platform that offers security.
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Speaker 5: So it offers you an ability to communicate with your
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Speaker 5: group or your friends or whatever without with it remaining private,
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Speaker 5: and that's its whole point. You remain private. There are
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Speaker 5: other apps which have tried to do similar things in
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Speaker 5: the past. So by definition, if we're going to have
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Speaker 5: apps that guarantee some form of security, they will be
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Speaker 5: abused and misused by definition. So whatever the charges are,
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Speaker 5: they'd better be very very convincing, and because otherwise what
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Speaker 5: we're saying is there is no privacy in the world.
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Speaker 5: You at any point in time, any government can come in,
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Speaker 5: as as the FBI attempted to do with Telegram itself,
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Speaker 5: according to Bavel Zurov, who said that he was approached
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Speaker 5: by the FBI and others who wanted ad quote backdoor
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Speaker 5: into telegram so that they could spy on people who
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Speaker 5: wanted to speak in secret. But this is the defining
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Speaker 5: a really great idea of our time, Andrew, and governments
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Speaker 5: will be judged or condemned by their ability to guarantee
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Speaker 5: free speech and freedom of expression on these new platforms
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Speaker 5: or not. And this is why we Zuckerberg has quite
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Speaker 5: i suspect the reason Mark Zuckerberg has come out and
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Speaker 5: admitted now that what we all knew, yes, it was
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Speaker 5: conspiracy theory at the time, and as we know, all
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Speaker 5: conspiracy theory two or three eight years later is the truth.
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Speaker 5: What many of us said at the time was that
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Speaker 5: the government's COVID authorities and so on were leaning on Facebook,
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Speaker 5: forcing them to censor what many people believe to be
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Speaker 5: the truth and turns out to be the truth, such
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Speaker 5: as the Hunter Biden Biden stories. Now, when you have
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Speaker 5: governments leaning on or ab to enforce social media platforms
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Speaker 5: to bend to their will to spy on citizens or
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Speaker 5: to deny information to citizens. You are in a totalitarian state.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 5: It's the modern version of totalitarianism of communisty. Peter, you're disarmed, Sorry, Andrew,
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Speaker 5: You're disarmed.
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Speaker 2: Rowan if you you know, if you can't have your
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Speaker 2: privacy if you give government this control. And I know
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Speaker 2: that as you say, there are poisonous aspects to it,
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Speaker 2: but if you you really are going to where China
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Speaker 2: is now because they do this spying big time. And listen,
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Speaker 2: I've got a couple of things that want to raise
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Speaker 2: with you in our time. So I want to move
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Speaker 2: on to something that has been close to you and me.
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Speaker 2: I mean Anthony Albanezi. Right, it's gone to the Pacific Island.
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Speaker 2: The Island's leaders forum is there now. And every time
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Speaker 2: is gone to one of these things over there, as
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Speaker 2: you know, we get a pain in our wallet, right
22:00
Speaker 2: because they always try to chisel more money from him
22:03
Speaker 2: by beating up claims that their islands are drowning because
22:06
Speaker 2: of global warming, and it works. He pays up or
22:10
Speaker 2: he hands out climate refugee visas. And this time that
22:13
Speaker 2: you and Secretary General is at the forum too again
22:16
Speaker 2: preaching doom here.
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Speaker 13: Is rising, seas are a crisis entirely of humanity is
22:22
Speaker 13: making a crisis toosun swell to an almost any measurable scale,
22:28
Speaker 13: with no life about to take us back to safety.
22:32
Speaker 2: In fact, Rowan, as you and I are both reported,
22:36
Speaker 2: even the ABC in twenty twenty one, finally admitted what
22:40
Speaker 2: we've been saying. Well, I would certainly have been saying
22:44
Speaker 2: for more than a decade that the science shows the
22:46
Speaker 2: vast majority of those islands are growing or stable. Yet
22:52
Speaker 2: we see Rowan, why are the politicians? Why can't they
22:55
Speaker 2: let this scare go?
22:58
Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, you've been right pointing out out for over
23:01
Speaker 5: a decade, and I wish more people would listen to you,
23:03
Speaker 5: because the Australian taxpayer Seriously, you were talking about Jim
23:06
Speaker 5: Chalmers earlier, but I mean, the greatest job on the
23:08
Speaker 5: planet would have to be the treasurer or the finance
23:12
Speaker 5: you know, finance director or whatever of a low lying island,
23:17
Speaker 5: because you know that if you're the treasurer of some
23:19
Speaker 5: island out in the Pacific, you know that all you
23:21
Speaker 5: have to do forget about productivity or balancing the books running.
23:25
Speaker 5: Just wait till a gullible Western, particularly Australian politician wanders in,
23:29
Speaker 5: wanders gets off the plane wanders down to the bitch.
23:31
Speaker 2: So all you have to do is.
23:33
Speaker 5: Roll up your trousers, wade out into the shallows and say, look,
23:36
Speaker 5: we've got these rising sea levels. Can you please give
23:39
Speaker 5: us a few billion and these mugs, whether it's been
23:41
Speaker 5: Penny Wong in the past, it's an elbow. Now they
23:44
Speaker 5: pay up and they have. But here's the thing, Andrew,
23:46
Speaker 5: I've actually solved this whole problem. This is an absolute
23:49
Speaker 5: exclusive for you this evening. I've solved the entire problem.
23:53
Speaker 5: Rather because the threat is catastrophic rising sea levels, and
23:56
Speaker 5: we're paying all this money so that two Vahluins and
23:59
Speaker 5: others can have automatic citizenship and rights to come to
24:01
Speaker 5: Australia and whatever.
24:03
Speaker 8: Here's the deal.
24:04
Speaker 5: We any Australian can swap an acre of Australian land
24:09
Speaker 5: fro an acre of two valu and beachfront. Any Australian
24:12
Speaker 5: if you live Adam, wherever and wherever, you can say,
24:15
Speaker 5: I'm going to swap you the two Valu and can
24:16
Speaker 5: come and take mine house here in Sydney and I'll
24:19
Speaker 5: take the acre of beachfront or the half acre of
24:21
Speaker 5: beachfront into VLU guaranteed that way, I take them.
24:25
Speaker 2: And live in Paramatta or wherever.
24:27
Speaker 5: So that's the deal that Albo should be offering, and
24:30
Speaker 5: I can guarantee you there would be cues of Australians
24:33
Speaker 5: just saying yes, give me the deal.
24:35
Speaker 2: I'll take it. Yeah, Rowan head of the queue will
24:41
Speaker 2: be one R Dean. I had to laugh at some
24:45
Speaker 2: news today Rowan Minras that's a minerals company, you know.
24:50
Speaker 2: Hard former Foreign Minister Julie Bishop to shoot an ad
24:55
Speaker 2: to show how women friendly it was, which meant, you know,
24:59
Speaker 2: scenes of Bishop loafing around the building, eating whatever and exercising,
25:04
Speaker 2: toweling down, not doing a lick of work. I don't
25:07
Speaker 2: know what message that's set and surprisingly even telling a
25:11
Speaker 2: bad joke which I found was house of hanging. But
25:19
Speaker 2: now MinRes has had a senior staff for quit after
25:22
Speaker 2: women complained of electri harassment and grossly and professional behavior.
25:26
Speaker 2: Not saying the complaints are true, I'm just saying that's
25:29
Speaker 2: what the claims were. And MinRes has now accused of
25:32
Speaker 2: not doing a welfare check on the complainants. So where's
25:37
Speaker 2: Julie Now?
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Speaker 5: Well, it was a five minute ad, but they managed
25:42
Speaker 5: to skip that particular scene or that boardroom. They went
25:45
Speaker 5: through into most of the rooms and officers and boardrooms
25:47
Speaker 5: and pecked in the door and saw what was going on.
25:49
Speaker 5: But maybe that one was locked at the time, who knows.
25:52
Speaker 5: But it's quite amusing because I watched this five minute
25:56
Speaker 5: ad very closely, and to star in a five minute ad,
25:59
Speaker 5: to be in front of the camera for five minutes
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Speaker 5: in an advertisement selling this building in this workplace, is
26:04
Speaker 5: quite an achievement. And I actually thought Julie Bishop did
26:07
Speaker 5: a very good job as an actress, and I was
26:09
Speaker 5: pleased with her performance. But then, of course it struck
26:11
Speaker 5: me Julie Bishop has always been a brilliant actress. I
26:14
Speaker 5: remember the first time I met her at Parliament House.
26:17
Speaker 5: She acted like a Conservative. She came rushing up to
26:19
Speaker 5: me and told me how much she loved conservative values.
26:21
Speaker 5: That was back in the Gillard years. I was completely
26:23
Speaker 5: convinced and taken in by her performance. Next thing I
26:26
Speaker 5: saw she was acting the role of the loyal deputy
26:29
Speaker 5: to Tony Abbott, and.
26:31
Speaker 8: She did that role brilliantly, completely fooled, completely fooled, and
26:38
Speaker 8: yet at the same time, unbeknowns behind the curtain, there
26:41
Speaker 8: was Malcolm Turnbull playing another role.
26:43
Speaker 2: Getting another already for Jewelius.
26:44
Speaker 5: She slipped into that role, into those red shoes, in
26:47
Speaker 5: fact quite happily, where she became the Foreign Minister, and
26:50
Speaker 5: she even pranced around with an Iranian foreign minister to
26:53
Speaker 5: show us how genuinely she was into that role. And
26:56
Speaker 5: finally she took the role at the Australian National University.
27:00
Speaker 5: Not sure how well that when one went, But now
27:02
Speaker 5: she's got the perfect role showing people other people how
27:05
Speaker 5: to do a good job at minras in Wall well put.
27:09
Speaker 2: I must say though that my own review of her
27:12
Speaker 2: performance as a loyal deputy I gave her zero stars.
27:16
Speaker 2: To be honest, she tried to it with three different leaders,
27:20
Speaker 2: I think, and I don't think she nailed it any
27:22
Speaker 2: of those times. Thank you so much for the time
27:26
Speaker 2: after the break the top Barris who said stop her.
27:31
Speaker 2: Bar councils should just stop it. With that acknowledgement of country.
27:35
Speaker 2: I'll ask her why how the sky feel it fell in?
27:39
Speaker 2: After this? You know, I hear from Samon Australians really
27:47
Speaker 2: arching up now about the endless acknowledgment of country rituals
27:51
Speaker 2: that were forced to have or hear respects to elders past,
27:54
Speaker 2: present and even emerging. I've heard of public servants doing
27:58
Speaker 2: this even when there's just two or three of them
27:59
Speaker 2: in a room and none of them are original. And
28:02
Speaker 2: now a prominent barrister in Victoria, the reddest of our states,
28:06
Speaker 2: have said enough, she means no disrespect to anyone, but enough.
28:10
Speaker 2: Oh the horror of the abuse that followed join me
28:13
Speaker 2: is that barrister Larnaka Laris. Thank you so much for
28:17
Speaker 2: coming on the show. Why have you made this stand
28:21
Speaker 2: when you know it could be social death?
28:25
Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, first of all, thank you so much for
28:27
Speaker 3: having me on your show tonight. In answer to your question,
28:31
Speaker 3: it's really quite simple. Like many Australians, I am tired
28:36
Speaker 3: of being told what to think. For me, this started
28:40
Speaker 3: last year when certain members of our Bar imposed their
28:45
Speaker 3: own personal political views upon the rest of us by
28:49
Speaker 3: voting in favor of the bar making a public statement
28:53
Speaker 3: in support of the voice. Now, since the referendum, and
28:58
Speaker 3: notwithstanding those results, the current leadership of our Bar continues
29:03
Speaker 3: to engage in divisive Indigenous politics, including by making repeated
29:09
Speaker 3: statements of acknowledgments of country. As I said in my
29:13
Speaker 3: opinion piece, my view is that acknowledgments of country are
29:16
Speaker 3: political statements that are made in support of a two
29:19
Speaker 3: tied system based on race. A two tied legal system
29:23
Speaker 3: based on race is antithetical to equality and the rule
29:27
Speaker 3: of law, and I cannot support that, and that is
29:30
Speaker 3: why I acknowledge all Australians.
29:34
Speaker 2: Well, it seems to me that a great number of
29:38
Speaker 2: Australians agree with you, which is probably why the failure
29:43
Speaker 2: of the Voice reference became as such a shock to
29:46
Speaker 2: its proponents, because most people don't dare say boo. What
29:50
Speaker 2: has the reaction been to your comments. I've heard you
29:55
Speaker 2: say that you've been called a racist, But on the whole,
29:58
Speaker 2: how's it been.
30:02
Speaker 3: Well, the reaction has been quite overwhelming. I've had over
30:07
Speaker 3: one eight hundred comments on my opinion piece, almost all
30:11
Speaker 3: of which are positive, and I have also received hundreds
30:15
Speaker 3: of emails from people all around Australia expressing their personal
30:20
Speaker 3: support for what I've written. And the reaction that I've
30:24
Speaker 3: received tells me that this is an issue that concerns
30:27
Speaker 3: many Australians. Of course, there are the usual suspects who
30:33
Speaker 3: predictably continue to make vile personal attacks against me.
30:38
Speaker 2: Well, I noticed that former Chief Prosecutor Gavin Silbert, who
30:43
Speaker 2: I actually respect, They've got a lot of time for him,
30:46
Speaker 2: publicly supported you the last time you objected to a
30:48
Speaker 2: welcome to country ceremony. The AGE then accused him of
30:52
Speaker 2: just having a rant. That's typical AGE coverage, and something
30:55
Speaker 2: obviously forced him to delete his post. I should imagine
30:59
Speaker 2: some pressure. So given your position, isn't there sometimes a
31:06
Speaker 2: professional cost a price to pay for people who stand
31:10
Speaker 2: against this new tribalism? Or are you here to say
31:13
Speaker 2: to Australians, Actually you can say it and still survive.
31:19
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you can say it and still survive, and I'm
31:21
Speaker 3: living proof of that. I do understand that when you
31:25
Speaker 3: put yourself out there, we know we're going to be
31:27
Speaker 3: subject to these vile personal attacks. That's part of the game.
31:31
Speaker 3: But I do think that more and more people are
31:36
Speaker 3: starting to see that when somebody levels an accusation at you,
31:40
Speaker 3: such as you are a racist, that it's completely empty
31:44
Speaker 3: and it generally means that that person has no substance
31:47
Speaker 3: at all to their argument. We know that the majority
31:52
Speaker 3: of Australians are with us on this, and I would
31:54
Speaker 3: encourage everybody to speak out and not let that noisy
31:58
Speaker 3: minority tell you what to think.
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Speaker 2: There's one other thing, Lana, that I wonder whether you could,
32:04
Speaker 2: whether you have got opinion on one thing that really
32:08
Speaker 2: offends me is that the way the ABC has been
32:12
Speaker 2: hijacked to push this new tribalism by repeating a falsehood.
32:17
Speaker 2: You will see that it has now stopped referring to
32:19
Speaker 2: Aborigines as Aboriginies or indigenous or whatever are the word
32:23
Speaker 2: they prefer. They're now called First Nations people, which to
32:28
Speaker 2: me is an an accurate term. It's a politically loaded term.
32:34
Speaker 2: What do you make of it?
32:36
Speaker 3: I agree it is a politically loaded term, and I
32:39
Speaker 3: think it's inaccurate. I've set out in my article why
32:43
Speaker 3: I say it's inaccurate, and my view is that it
32:46
Speaker 3: is used by the movement that says sovereignty was never
32:51
Speaker 3: seeded and always was always will be as a way
32:56
Speaker 3: to give them some kind of legal standing to may
33:00
Speaker 3: treaties with the States of Australia, because this is ultimately
33:03
Speaker 3: where the whole thing is heading.
33:07
Speaker 2: It is it's a form of apartheid that is being
33:11
Speaker 2: visited on this country. I think it's just appalling and
33:14
Speaker 2: anti everything I thought we'd grown up learning about how
33:19
Speaker 2: we need to progress the whole Enlightenment culture project. Lena Kolaris,
33:24
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your courage and for coming on.
33:27
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. After the break, should a premier
33:32
Speaker 2: really be accepting free tickets to a Taylor's Swift concert
33:36
Speaker 2: one of the hottest items in showbiz? Environment mister Tania
33:43
Speaker 2: Plibacy emerged today to dismiss all this fuss about her
33:48
Speaker 2: decision to block that gold mine in New South Wales,
33:51
Speaker 2: like it's no big deal that she ignored the decision
33:54
Speaker 2: the traditional owners at the site wasn't sacred. It was
33:57
Speaker 2: no big deal that you listened instead to this artist,
33:59
Speaker 2: for instance, back by the government funded environmental Defender's office,
34:03
Speaker 2: who says she's a local rajerie elder, although she used
34:06
Speaker 2: to say she was a camel roy instead through a
34:08
Speaker 2: single ancestor two hundred years ago. It's no big deal
34:12
Speaker 2: to Plivasec that she effectively killed this mine for reasons
34:15
Speaker 2: she says, must they secret secret averaging business and it's
34:20
Speaker 2: all of it is no big deal according to Plipasec,
34:23
Speaker 2: since she reckons she just banned them mines tailings dam
34:27
Speaker 2: and the mines operators because she knows they could just
34:30
Speaker 2: build it somewhere else. No problem. Even though it took
34:33
Speaker 2: four years to work this site and the cost of millions.
34:39
Speaker 6: There is nothing to stop the project going ahead. What
34:42
Speaker 6: I expect is that the tailings dam should be built
34:46
Speaker 6: in another location. The project proponent has chosen the cheapest
34:50
Speaker 6: and easiest location. The cheapest and easiest location has unacceptable
34:55
Speaker 6: impacts on cultural heritage.
34:58
Speaker 2: Oh what lazy mine operation. I'm sure Plibask knows better
35:01
Speaker 2: than them how to do it or joining me a
35:04
Speaker 2: Gath Hamilton for the Liberal MP and Damien Kouri, a
35:07
Speaker 2: corporate communications consultant, former ABCY employee among all the sorts
35:12
Speaker 2: of things, hosts now of his own video podcast to
35:14
Speaker 2: the other side, Garth, it's not a problem to tenure
35:19
Speaker 2: plebus the main operation. Just go back to the start
35:23
Speaker 2: plan another site, Go and do that for a few
35:26
Speaker 2: years and then try their luck. And this big roulette
35:29
Speaker 2: of where is the sacred site? Wow?
35:34
Speaker 11: Yeah, look this this case has certainly brought up a
35:37
Speaker 11: lot of amateur mining engineers. I'm not one of them.
35:39
Speaker 2: I'm an actual mining engineer.
35:40
Speaker 11: Andrew actually did my first first underground mind at Katie
35:43
Speaker 11: just down the road in Orange. Like I speak with
35:47
Speaker 11: a little bit of authority on this one, it is
35:49
Speaker 11: quite a big thing to replan your mind. There's a
35:53
Speaker 11: hell of a lot of logistics goes into this, how
35:54
Speaker 11: long the truck runs, due where things are laid out.
35:57
Speaker 11: There's a lot of thought and effort and expert tease
36:00
Speaker 11: goes into that. But look, put aside the huge complications
36:05
Speaker 11: that she's now put in front of this mine and
36:08
Speaker 11: another four years, maybe a couple more million dollars to
36:12
Speaker 11: go through another approvals process. Goodness mate, But.
36:15
Speaker 2: That's why she done this.
36:16
Speaker 11: This is all about Labor trying to win back some
36:19
Speaker 11: of those Green voters that they're losing because of other
36:22
Speaker 11: issues where the Greens have got the jump on them,
36:24
Speaker 11: like housing or on their support for Palestine or Israel,
36:27
Speaker 11: depending where Labor are talking. This is really a grab
36:31
Speaker 11: at Green voters, at the green left of Labor who
36:34
Speaker 11: they're worried about. There's no strong justification for this, and
36:39
Speaker 11: I hate to say it, I'm going to agree with
36:40
Speaker 11: the Labor premier here. Chris Mens is absolutely spot on.
36:43
Speaker 11: This is an appalling decision. By the labor government.
36:47
Speaker 2: But Damien, you know what really gets me here is
36:51
Speaker 2: that a minister can cancel a one billion dollar mine
36:56
Speaker 2: involving more than eight hundred jobs, even though the local
37:00
Speaker 2: traditional landlandowners say no, no, no, it's fine, you know,
37:04
Speaker 2: no problem there. She can do all that, and then
37:07
Speaker 2: when you ask what are the reasons? What is this secret?
37:10
Speaker 2: What is this business? She says it's a secret. You
37:13
Speaker 2: don't even know why. I mean, this is just bizarre.
37:19
Speaker 12: Look yeah, and it should be the end of Tanya
37:22
Speaker 12: Plibusek this insanity. I mean, I don't know what planet
37:25
Speaker 12: these people are living on, but it isn't planet Earth.
37:27
Speaker 12: When it comes to doing business around the world, there's
37:30
Speaker 12: a concept called sovereign risk at play here. People talk
37:34
Speaker 12: in boardrooms all over the world in the mining industry
37:37
Speaker 12: and when they start laughing at Australia and saying, oh,
37:40
Speaker 12: can you believe all of that effort, all of that work,
37:43
Speaker 12: all of that investment money has gone into getting this
37:45
Speaker 12: mind to the point where it's ready to open. They've
37:47
Speaker 12: gone through all the approvals process, and at the last
37:49
Speaker 12: minute she pulls the pin on something utterly ridiculous, possibly
37:53
Speaker 12: for you know, local idiotic political reasons. That's going to
37:58
Speaker 12: send a message about doing business in Australia around the world,
38:00
Speaker 12: and it's going to severely impact investment. We're dealing with
38:03
Speaker 12: an Australian mining company here, but they've got foreign investors
38:06
Speaker 12: found take their money elsewhere.
38:08
Speaker 2: Well that's true too. Yeah, well it's not the only
38:11
Speaker 2: product way out of course investors would see all the
38:14
Speaker 2: other handbrakes have been put on developments all around the country,
38:17
Speaker 2: particularly in resources. Hey, Garth, I don't want to sentence
38:21
Speaker 2: you to a life of obstemious nay saying, to any
38:25
Speaker 2: purchase of office at all in the long and distinguished
38:28
Speaker 2: career you have ahead of you. But I just wonder
38:32
Speaker 2: what kind of gifts of politicians should accept. In Victoria
38:35
Speaker 2: premierg Center, Alan and there were politicians at both sides
38:38
Speaker 2: got freebies to the hottest show of the year. I
38:40
Speaker 2: mean people were hanging onto the phone for ours trying
38:43
Speaker 2: to get a ticket to it. She got it for free,
38:45
Speaker 2: Taylor Swifts Melbourne concert. But Juster Allen, it seems just
38:48
Speaker 2: a well deserved perker government here she is.
38:52
Speaker 4: I was really grateful to receive that hospitality.
38:55
Speaker 10: It was an incredible three night concert series lit up
39:00
Speaker 10: the city and the state.
39:03
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they just their fortunate is a
39:05
Speaker 2: very nice woman gave it to it for that reason,
39:07
Speaker 2: pure coincidence. What do you make of it?
39:11
Speaker 11: Look, it's hard to be absolutist.
39:13
Speaker 2: I have to confess.
39:14
Speaker 11: I received an invite to the twimber Caledonian Society pipe
39:18
Speaker 11: Band performance recently and I accepted gleefully. You know, a
39:22
Speaker 11: great community event, very happy to go to. I think
39:25
Speaker 11: the thing is judgment here though, Andrew, you know you've
39:28
Speaker 11: got the hottest ticket, You've got something that's very, very
39:31
Speaker 11: valuable commodity, and in the middle of a cost of
39:33
Speaker 11: living crisis, maybe that's not the message that you want
39:36
Speaker 11: to be sending to people around the state, that these
39:39
Speaker 11: handouts are something that you really don't consider.
39:42
Speaker 2: Look, it's hard. It's hard to.
39:44
Speaker 11: Pick a very very tight line on all these events,
39:48
Speaker 11: because there are some things that are really important to
39:49
Speaker 11: go to. But look, something like a Taylor Swift concert,
39:52
Speaker 11: I'm not making comments by the way of them on
39:54
Speaker 11: the choice of music might not be my choice. I
39:58
Speaker 11: got raised with both types of music, Andrew country and western,
40:02
Speaker 11: so it probably fits outside of that category.
40:04
Speaker 2: A little bit well. But as a man. But Damien,
40:11
Speaker 2: what do you make of it? I would have thought
40:13
Speaker 2: she would have got huge cutos accepting the tick and
40:17
Speaker 2: then raffling it off for charity or giving it to
40:20
Speaker 2: you know, if someone you know with the terminal disease
40:23
Speaker 2: or something. Instead she goes up and hogs it.
40:26
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, that would have been the best pr move
40:30
Speaker 12: that she could have made. Look, I sympathize with politicians.
40:33
Speaker 12: They probably, I mean, they have to go to a
40:35
Speaker 12: lot of events, and this was an economically significant event
40:38
Speaker 12: for Australia and for Victoria and US our wale. So
40:40
Speaker 12: I suppose the premiere going is something like this has
40:42
Speaker 12: some merit. But you know, yeah, she would have done better,
40:47
Speaker 12: I think in this case, to say, look, let's give
40:48
Speaker 12: it to the needle, let's raffle it off as you said,
40:51
Speaker 12: or you know, just just give it away or pay
40:55
Speaker 12: for it, pay for it if she wants to go along,
40:57
Speaker 12: put a hand in a pocket and pay for it,
40:59
Speaker 12: and then asked the promoters to give the ticket away,
41:01
Speaker 12: the free ticket away to somebody else.
41:04
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, I think significant that the tickets have
41:07
Speaker 2: obviously are offered to the current premier. Wasn't an offer
41:11
Speaker 2: to the previous premier or the next premier. So it's
41:15
Speaker 2: really a perk of office. It's not anything that she's
41:17
Speaker 2: done to deserve it, just very quickly garth the amount
41:21
Speaker 2: of time need to ask you. New Queensland Labor Premier,
41:23
Speaker 2: Stephen Miles, seemed to be snubbed by the woman who
41:26
Speaker 2: replaced former labor premier, and so Palache when she was
41:30
Speaker 2: asked to endorse him in the October election issue.
41:33
Speaker 5: Is you want to see her Miles endorsement?
41:36
Speaker 2: Though, well thanks for coming along today, I got to
41:39
Speaker 2: keep going, Palachet Lady said, of course endorsement Mars. It
41:43
Speaker 2: was a bit odd, wasn't it.
41:47
Speaker 11: That's as blunted message as she can possibly send. Obviously
41:50
Speaker 11: things didn't end very happily there, and whatever her legacy was,
41:53
Speaker 11: she's clearly not happy at how Stephen Miles is treating
41:56
Speaker 11: it now. Maybe it's looking at the Olympic overspend, maybe
42:00
Speaker 11: it's looking at the terrible financial situation that Queensland faces now.
42:04
Speaker 11: Who knows, But as all of her failings come pointed out,
42:08
Speaker 11: Stephen Miles is trying to pull back from those he
42:10
Speaker 11: does want to be associated with her, and well now
42:12
Speaker 11: she doesn want to be associated with him. Goodness may
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Speaker 11: be a fun place to be in the Labor Party
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Speaker 11: in Queensland right.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Damian Couri thank you very much for you both.
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Speaker 2: Coming up next, Kamala Harris. She has finally agreed to
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Speaker 2: give her first interview a mere five weeks after becoming
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Speaker 2: a presidential candid in the US. But there is a
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Speaker 2: big catch in fact, two of them. An update on
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Speaker 2: my discussion with Sean Spicer last night. Kamala Harris has
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Speaker 2: finally agreed to do her first interview with the journalists.
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Speaker 2: Finally agreed to stop hiding and do one interview more
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Speaker 2: than five weeks after the Vice president replaced you as
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Speaker 2: President Joe Biden as the Democrats and in the election
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Speaker 2: which is just going to be in two months time.
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Speaker 2: But there is a catch, in fact two catches. Join
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Speaker 2: me on news Watch as Sophie Elles with media writer
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Speaker 2: of the Australian newspaper Sophie. Great to see you. Harris
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Speaker 2: is giving this first interview two and this is the
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Speaker 2: first catch a left wing journalist on the left wing CNN.
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Speaker 2: And the second catch is that she'll be bringing along
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Speaker 2: her coach, her running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walls. There's
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Speaker 2: going to be two people at once. Now, why would
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Speaker 2: that be.
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Speaker 14: Well, I can draw from that, Andrew, that she seems
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Speaker 14: to be incredibly nervous. As we know, she has not
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Speaker 14: done any live media interviews or any media interviews at
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Speaker 14: all to date since Biden announced he was not running
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Speaker 14: over a month ago, and it appears that she has
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Speaker 14: opted for a politically friendly station to the Democrats, and
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Speaker 14: she needs her sidekick there to make sure if she
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Speaker 14: stumbles or stuffs up, she's got someone who can help
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Speaker 14: her along the way. So it'll be interesting to see
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Speaker 14: how she goes here because there's been so much commentary
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Speaker 14: around the fact she won't be doing in media interviews.
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Speaker 14: But what I'm really waiting for, Andrew, is when she
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Speaker 14: goes head to head with Trump in a debate. I
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Speaker 14: think that will really be the time to judge whether
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Speaker 14: or not she's up to this or not.
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Speaker 2: I know, it's so obvious having Walt's there too, you know,
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Speaker 2: giving an interview someone who doesn't want you to fail
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Speaker 2: next to someone who won't let you fail by jumping
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Speaker 2: in if you stumble or or start laughing or something.
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Speaker 2: The whole thing is such. I mean, this one's running
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Speaker 2: for the most powerful position on Earth, and she can't
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Speaker 2: go to do an interview with a friendly TV station
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Speaker 2: without bringing a coach. Now, isn't it incredible? Though, all
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Speaker 2: this hoopla about her giving just one interview in her
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Speaker 2: first five weeks, when in an election campaign in Australia,
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Speaker 2: Lda is expected to give several interviews almost every day.
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Speaker 5: Well, it is.
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Speaker 14: Very interesting, but things have changed over the years, Andrew.
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Speaker 14: We know the power of social media, how politicians can
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Speaker 14: fine tune their messaging, pump content out online and control
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Speaker 14: the narrative. And sometimes doing these live interviews unscripted, they
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Speaker 14: can trip up make gaffes, as we've seen President Biden
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Speaker 14: do how many times, I don't know, We've lost count.
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Speaker 14: So this is a safe option for Kamala Harris, and
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Speaker 14: I don't expect we'll be seeing she do many interviews
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Speaker 14: at all in the lead up to the presidential race.
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Speaker 2: What a joke, actually, Sophie, I just realized there is
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Speaker 2: a third catch this stupid interview. It's pre recorded. A
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Speaker 2: friendly station pre records an interview. Who knows what might
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Speaker 2: hit the cutting room floor between the interview and when
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Speaker 2: it's cast later that night. You don't know I think
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Speaker 2: you know, they might just want to help her out
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Speaker 2: with the Paris Sophie, You've been riding about the sponsorship
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Speaker 2: deals with some radio presenters, especially three at w's Jackie
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Speaker 2: Felgate and Melbourne have had and not disclosed like this
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Speaker 2: one for the electric BMW.
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Speaker 14: A Day in my Life with the one hundred percent
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Speaker 14: electric BMW IP.
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Speaker 6: I'm a very BMW ambassador and it's Phoenix.
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Speaker 5: Sorry, fun to try it.
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Speaker 6: And Zippy if now.
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Speaker 2: What's the problem here, Sophie, because you all heard there
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Speaker 2: then then saying she is a BMW ambassador, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if you declared it on air on a radio show.
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Speaker 2: What's the latest there?
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Speaker 14: So I uncovered last year, about twelve months ago, Andrew,
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Speaker 14: that Jackie Felgate, who is filling in on three AW
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Speaker 14: at the time, was brooking BMW electric vehicles but neglecting
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Speaker 14: to tell her audience that she is in a commercial
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Speaker 14: partnershi with BMW who supply her with a stream of
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Speaker 14: BMW vehicles. So she was caught out by not disclosing
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Speaker 14: that she had this partnership and was left with egg
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Speaker 14: on her face. Andrew and I would argue this has
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Speaker 14: been a serious problem for nine Radio. Jackie Felgate today
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Speaker 14: today has ten commercial partnerships, so she has to really
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Speaker 14: work out does she want to be taken as a
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Speaker 14: serious broadcaster or does she want to be a social
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Speaker 14: media influencer because some of these broadcasters, Andrew I would argue,
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Speaker 14: it's coming down to greed. They want the big paychecks
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Speaker 14: with being a broadcaster, but they also want these lucrative
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Speaker 14: deals on the side, and I would argue it's very
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Speaker 14: problematic when you try and do both. So the media
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Speaker 14: regulator handed down that she did the wrong thing, and
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Speaker 14: consequently Nine Radio have been wrapped over the knuckles and
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Speaker 14: all their staff have had to undergo training to make
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Speaker 14: sure they do disclose to their audiences when they're broadcasters
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Speaker 14: have these deals. They mentioned the brands that they disclose
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Speaker 14: them to their audience.
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Speaker 2: I thought that that was something that every presenter knew
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Speaker 2: for decades. Now it's crazy to me that that needs
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Speaker 2: to be said, But there you go. Sophie Elsworth, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Really appreciated by the way.
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Speaker 2: I've word some advice for the new chairman Kim Williams
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Speaker 2: of the ABC. Instead of trying to crack down on
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Speaker 2: your employees, being biased. Why don't you hire people of
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Speaker 2: both sides of an argument are conservatives and then it
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. They even out simple. You can thank me later.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me, coming up next to my good
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Speaker 2: friend Stephen Price, filling in for sherry marks and good
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Speaker 2: note