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Bracket Talk, WBC Championship tonight, Tom Kakert talks Hawkeyes · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon on a
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  Tuesday, the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Let's fire it back up for the next 6 hours of sports
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  conversation. Trent and I will do two of them,
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  Miller and Condon noon to two off the bench coming up from
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  2:00 until 5:00 and then overtime Iowa tonight.
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  Actually, there is no overtime. Iowa tonight is.
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  How about that? We've got the.
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  First four, yeah, we do. Underway a courtesy of our
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  friends at Westwood one both tonight and tomorrow and then
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  lock in on Thursday and Friday if you're at work bring a do you
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  still is there still such a thing as a transistor radio?
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  Do you know what that? Is I?
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  I know it, I've heard of it. I never used.
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  One Never put one under your pillow at night, listening to
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  the radio as you fell asleep and you didn't want your mom to come
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  and find. It, I just had a radio.
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  I just had a boom box. Yeah, a little boom box.
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  I guess there's what I. Been out of the pillow would
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  have been uncomfortable. Right.
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  Yeah. I mean, it was probably, I don't
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  know, maybe 6 by 18, something like.
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  Transistor was the size of a. Wallet, yeah, didn't have one of
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  those, but heard the story certainly and.
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  Lived the story, actually. Yes, listening to WCCO Listen to
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  Twins broadcast. Yeah, CCO, boy, that was a that
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  was a big signal. Oh, absolutely.
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  One of my favorite things to do is I'd go out in the yard.
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  Yeah. And I would get my boom box with
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  batteries in it. Yeah, finding batteries, it's
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  not like. The big battery.
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  Right, yeah, You gotta put the four with D's in there.
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  The D's, Yeah. And go out there and then just
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  play the game in my yard. So the yard.
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  You would play the Twins game. The Twins.
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  Game in the Yard and. So a lot of losing as a kid.
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  Oh, absolutely. This was probably, you know, in
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  the late 80s. So there was maybe. 87. 8788,
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  Absolutely. So my parents owned the bar and
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  we lived right next door. Perfect.
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  But it was surrounded by these hedges, so it kind of looked
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  like Wrigley Field. Nice.
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  In right field of my yard and the way that I had set up was my
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  great Grandma Bell's house, Grandma Isabel.
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  And her house was painted a light green.
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  OK, so I had the green monster in right field.
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  How about that? So I tried to tip opposite shots
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  over the green monster in right field.
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  Had the hedges all around. It was for me growing up in a
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  town of 40 people, that's all, And not a whole lot of friends.
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  Yeah, because there weren't any other did.
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  You do the cheering too when you're oh.
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  Yeah, yeah, round in the bases. Carmi Pocket has done it again.
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  Good for you. That's really.
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  That's cool. Yeah.
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  Anyways, I have no idea how we got here, where we where we
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  started the show, but here we are.
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  So let's get into it. We move closer to to March
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  Madness. We talked about the 1st 4:00
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  tonight, tomorrow and then all day Thursday, all day Friday.
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  Friday we do lose coverage at 6:45 the Iowa Wild play.
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  So we'll have wall to wall coverage Thursday and up until
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  the wild play on Friday. But by then hopefully most of
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  you are home and you can turn on the bar or at a bar.
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  Yep, or at a bar. Friend's house.
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  Yep, What's bars going to be like today?
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  Probably not what they anticipated, right?
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  There's been some beautiful Saint Patty's days, right?
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  Exactly. This not going to be one of
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  them, though. It's better than yesterday
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  because there's no wind. Did you put your green on today?
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  No, I forgot all about it actually until I was driving in.
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  I see you did. I I did.
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  I remembered. Yeah.
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  You're lucky you're not at our house.
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  But is there? Oh, that you'd be pinched.
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  Yeah. Forgot to pinch you when I saw
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  you today. I.
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  Forgot about that is an old thing.
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  So no, No, but spent many Saint Patty's days at Sully's back in
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  the day. Is that where you went?
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  Oh. Been there.
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  Yeah. With the tent, yes the outdoor
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  Oh my God chilly ones was packed but some really nice ones too.
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  I remember watching the Xavier, Ohio State, that ridiculous game
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  at Sully's. Really.
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  So went inside, found a little TV, one of the TV's that they
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  had upset up there, and probably sat underneath that TV for a
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  good 90 straight minutes just watching that one.
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  Of maybe 2 TV's back in the day. Yeah, that sounds about right.
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  Yeah. What did that been 2006
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  something like that it. Was the 90s for me.
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  Yes, a little bit earlier than what I got here, but yeah, see,
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  Patrick stayed. Not quite what it wants to know
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  when you get a little. Older.
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  I'm with you. All right, let's get a couple of
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  things. Let's talk about the trade in
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  the NFL. It's pretty big trade.
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  Yeah, Denver has now found a wide receiver.
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  They gave up their 30th pick overall in the first round, so
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  pick 30. Then they gave up the 30th pick
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  in the third round. And they gave up their 30th pick
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  in the fourth round. And in exchange, they got Jalen
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  Waddle, who was the 6th overall pick in his draft year, 2021.
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  And they moved up in the fourth round.
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  So instead of picking 1:30 in the fourth, they're now picking
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  111, which is a a win there. Like I just, and I like Waddle.
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  I just wish he was Six 2, not 510.
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  Sure, you know, and maybe it's just the fact that I'm, I'm, I'm
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  tired of my hockey team trading from 5 foot 9 defencemen.
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  We're going to get pushed around every single game.
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  It doesn't work in the NHL. Stop doing that.
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  Get somebody that's 6364. But Waddle can fly, obviously.
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  He's 1000 yard a year type of receiver.
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  They needed that. Denver was I think a a couple of
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  skill positions away from being a major player again this year.
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  They got a great offensive line. Their defense is set, their
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  kicker is set. When Dobbins went down to the
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  running back position, that was a blow.
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  And RJ Harvey's a nice player, but he's a rookie.
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  Yep, I'm with you. With that offensive line, I
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  thought he would be. More, he's great in the passing.
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  Game. Yes, absolutely.
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  But he struggled to run the football.
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  It got better as the year went on.
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  But Dobbins is back and now they find a a wide receiver to go
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  along with Mims and Bryant and Courtland Sutton who's getting a
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  little long in the tooth as well.
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  But they had to give up something to get something.
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  But when you look, I mean, the Colts gave up Michael Pittman,
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  who's got just as good a numbers over the last five years for a
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  sixth round pick 1/6 and Denver gave up a one and a three and
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  then switched positions in the 4th.
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  So it did affect the odds. They were 20 to 1 yesterday.
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  They're 18 to 1 today. I actually bet Denver yesterday.
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  You did. I did because I saw a piece with
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  a key to Lieb and he was with Oh, the loudmouth not there's a
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  lot of. Them that doesn't that really
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  doesn't Daryl things. Skip, Skip Bayless, Skip Bayless
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  and keep to Lieb said, mark this down and remember where you
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  heard it first. Denver's about to get a very
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  skilled player and he left it at that.
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  Wow, Like he had some inside information.
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  So that was good enough for me. And it was after 8:30 and I
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  decided, you know what, let's open it up and get involved a
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  little bit. So I took Denver with Houston to
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  make it to the Final Four, Denver with Duke, I think to
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  make it to the Final Four and then outright 20 to 1 anyways.
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  So it's. Going to be a good February for.
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  You. Well, it could be.
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  It could be that. That's certainly the goal.
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  We shall see. So obviously we are 24 hours
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  removed from yesterday's show. I'm guessing you spent maybe not
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  wall to wall time with the bracket in front of you a lot.
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  I bet you did. Right, Yeah, I I found a really
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  good breakdown. Of which of, of a region or of?
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  Everything. So let me find where it came
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  from. So it's from Yahoo.
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  Well, I write Frank Schwab's piece, and he has all the
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  gambling odds, which was incredible, but he also had a
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  breakaway from it from another writer at Yahoo.
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  And you talk about coverage. The thing is, absolutely.
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  Matt Eisenberg, I don't know if you've seen that.
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  I've heard of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  He's been with Yahoo for a long time, too.
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  Their college basketball writer his NCAA Tournament guide with
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  both just numbers and also a gambling angle to it.
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  I dove deep into. That, and it's free.
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  It's free, so find him on Twitter.
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  I'll find Frank's article. You can find it there also if
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  you're looking for a deep dive. It was too much.
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  If you don't talk about overwhelming, just in terms of
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  the information that was in there.
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  I have a couple of takeaways to step back from yesterday.
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  Couple of things as we re evaluate.
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  And that's what you're always doing.
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  I want to start at the top and like you, I like Arizona.
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  I love the team, I love the way they're built.
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  And something just popped into my mind yesterday.
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  I just heard something in passing.
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  I'm like, I don't like Tommy Lloyd.
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  I think he sucks as a coach for the talent that he has.
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  You've made that clear. I think Tommy Lloyd is off, but
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  I go back to, well, probably 364 days ago, remember saying the
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  same thing about Todd. Golden.
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  Golden, yeah. Todd Golden never won an NCAA
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  tournament game. He had a loaded team.
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  He. Won six of them last.
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  Year he won six in a row and he won a national championship.
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  So yes, talent can overcome coaching question marks, I guess
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  is a way now. I I've always liked Todd Golden
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  as a coach going back to his days at San Francisco.
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  You probably heard me all right. I'm on the the Dons here tonight
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  in San Francisco. And you know what do you know
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  about them? I knew Ty Golden.
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  I I love the way that he runs offense.
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  Always liked him going back to his days and assistant coach so
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  different for me than Tommy Lloyd.
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  Still, that at least made me hesitates a little bit more just
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  to have Arizona be a cross off to win a national champion
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  because they're. Loaded, they got the talent.
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  They're absolutely loaded and they can overcome Tommy Lloyd.
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  Yeah, who sucks? And they have for the entire
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  season, if you put it that. Way yes, they have.
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  Right, with the exception of two games.
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  So what of them? Fog Allen on a Monday night
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  where no one wins. Right.
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  Absolutely. Another thing that came out, and
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  I don't know if we even mentioned it was, yeah, we did.
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  The Alabama Kid. Yeah.
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  And what a weird story, that second leading scorer.
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  So spring break's happening. Everybody's off campus.
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  He can't go through the proper channels.
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  He's not going to play. No, he's out.
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  Is it open up for Texas Tech? This only doesn't hurt them.
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  So Texas Tech has lost three consecutive lost the last two
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  games of the regular season. We of course know what happened
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  against Iowa State. Texas Tech, they have gone
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  completely 3 point reliant, which I hate.
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  That's why I don't like Louisville in the first round.
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  Michael Brown, if he plays for Louisville, I know he's
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  yesterday South Florida. Michael Brown completely changes
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  that equation if he's even 90% healthy.
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  I think Louisville does pull out that game, but I grabbed the
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  five and a half not knowing what that's going to be for Texas
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  Tech. I hate a team that has become,
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  we saw the best of it and he'll when when they're hitting shots
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  like that, I don't want to say they're unbeatable.
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  And I like McCausland. I think you do.
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  Too, I do too, absolutely. Another guy that I really
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  respect as a coach, like what they do, X's and O's, YS and he
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  had to evolve. He had to change it to do that
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  on the fly. Now it didn't work.
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  They lost three straight, but maybe Texas Tech in the Sweet 16
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  with the Alabama questions and remain.
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  I think that's something to look at or if you want to go crazy,
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  take a look at the 12 or thirteens in that bracket.
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  If there's one that catches your eye more, the other that might
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  be a direction to go because Alabama, they're inconsistent.
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  That's another team that's completely 3 point reliant.
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  We saw them go to the Final Four and obviously they can do it
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  that way. But that was another one that I
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  just thought needed a little bit more looking with Texas Tech
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  come in, possibly out of that region.
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  That's where Michigan is. Whoever comes out of that Akron,
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  Hofstra did a little bit of work on both those.
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  Lot of like, a lot of love for both of those teams.
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  Long shot players like them. There wasn't anything that
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  jumped off the page from either of them to say, yeah, that's the
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  one I'm identifying, a 12 or 13 to get to a Sweet 16.
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  There wasn't anything definitive with either of.
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  Those you know, speaking, Speaking of the Alabama player,
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  second league score on the team. Is this true?
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  Did you see this anywhere? And I heard this and I, I, I'm
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  not sure if I believe it or not, although it wouldn't surprise me
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  because it is the SEC and it's a rivalry.
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  Did an Auburn student really rat him out?
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  Would you be shocked? No, that's why I didn't
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  immediately dismiss it. Right, David, if that's the
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  case? So the story, the way that I
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  heard it was. And he didn't have a drug stamp.
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  And I've said this for years when I first heard about drug
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  stamps, you know what it was? Maybe it was back about the one
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  of the Iowa players got popped back in the Alfred era, and he
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  didn't fix a drug stamp. Well, where do you go to get
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  one? And when you show up, what do
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  you ask for? Hey, I'm going to be selling.
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  Marijuana out of the out of the the house here.
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  So I just need a tax stamp and then I'll be OK, right?
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  And don't just keep it between you and I.
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  And where do you fix the tax stamp to your front window?
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  You know, like if you have that the, the ring or whatever it is,
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  the the, the security system, you put it on your front window
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  so the burglars get scared away. You scare the cops away because
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  you got the drug stamp already affixed to your front.
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  I never understood it. Stamp each of your dime bags.
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  Is that how you do it? You know, does somebody show up
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  and they need to they need you're you're, you're compliant,
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  right? You've got your drug stamp and
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  it's everything. I mean, good God, but that is.
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  Yes, Holloway. So he gets picked up.
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  Yep, and some weed. Yep, like a pound, right?
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  Well, no, that was then at his. Oh, they found that at the so
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  they went further. They went further.
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  So they busted him away from his house.
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  That's. How I heard it and I didn't read
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  it, so that could be wrong. I very well could be off on
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  that. I'm I that's how I heard it,
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  though. And if that's the case, how do
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  you get from you got to see in his car.
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  He was. He got picked up in his car, had
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  some weed on him, then they followed up, went to his house
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  and that's where they found the copious amounts.
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  I don't know. Is that probable cause?
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  Possibly. Like, I mean, I guess I it just
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  sounds that's that's odd. That leads me to more to believe
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  the Auburn story that there may be something to this.
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  But regardless, the kids not going to play.
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  And I think for anybody that liked Alabama, you know, I've
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  been, I've watched that Bracketology show last night on
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  ESPNU or something, and it must have been taped before the news
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  came out because a lot of them liked Alabama because they can
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  shoot the three before, before this news must have broken
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  because I give them no shot at all.
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  No shot. I don't do you.
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  And that was a team that, you know, you, you maybe win a game
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  or two. Absolutely could get to a Sweet
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  16 and we know with Alabama and regardless of who they play,
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  they shoot the ball well, right, right.
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  They can also shoot themselves out about against.
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  As a lot of teams and, well, you know, Speaking of that, teams
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  that can do that. There's a lot of Iowa State love
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  in this tournament. Yeah.
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  I mean, a lot, a lot of Final Fours.
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  Billis has him in his Final four.
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  That was the other guy I was trying to think of yesterday
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  during the program. There's a lot of Iowa State
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  Final Four love out there. Tennessee State is a walk over.
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  I think so. I did find it not not funny.
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  I was listening to TJ and he said he watched 1/2 of Tennessee
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  State at some point this year and thinking this is this is a
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  hardcore dude, right? I mean, he spends all the time
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  coaching his team, goes over to his family and flips on
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  basketball. But then it was against UNLV.
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  So that kind of makes sense, right?
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  Because that's where he came from.
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  But yeah, that's a walk over. So who do they get next?
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  Great question. Because I'm telling you, one of
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  the one of the, I guess chic picks out there is Kentucky to
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  go down to Santa Clara. Kentucky spent a lot on the
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  roster. 21,000,000 By the way, if you're on hold, stay right
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  there. We'll get to your calls in a
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  minute. I think it's going to be Santa
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  Clara. IA lot of people do Trent I.
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  Think it's going to be Santa Clara.
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  I mean, you talk about a toss up game.
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  It's a 710 game. And you saw Santa Clara last.
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  Week, right? Yeah, I watched a couple times
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  with WCC. Absolutely had them both.
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  You did against Saint Mary. 'S against Saint Mary's when
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  they pulled off the upset and had the points in that one.
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  They're A-Team, incredibly efficient.
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  They're your prototypical WCC team.
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  Yeah, we think of Gonzaga, but they could good Saint Mary's
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  teams thinks of when, well, San Francisco with Todd Golden going
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  back to that, when we've seen those next tier of good teams.
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  Always really efficient with the basketball, good shooting.
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  That's what you're going to get against Santa Clara and
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  Kentucky. They just after that, it hasn't
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  worked. No it hasn't.
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  It hasn't worked. You just wonder if if Pope was
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  going to survive. Apparently he's going to so we
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  shall see from there. Yeah, Santa Clara, a lot of
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  people like this team. A lot of people think that this
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  is a team that could pair potentially, you know, make some
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  noise, certainly get by the first one and then give the two
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  seed fits. We'll I want to get to more into
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  this when it comes to the seeding in second.
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  So so Trent and I do a Mediacom show on Wednesdays.
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  I was messing around last night trying to find some unique ways
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  to to to play the tournament. Have you seen this one that the
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  sum total of the final four seeds and it's 8 1/2 over or
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  under 8 1/2. So it depends obviously, I mean,
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  how many ones you think are going to get there.
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  I played the under. I think so.
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  Too, we talked about the top level of the sport and and has
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  it dissipated because Duke and the injuries.
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  Michigan hasn't looked quite at form.
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  Arizona's got Tommy Lloyd right And, and even me, you know, I, I
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  put out what I think I'll officially have tomorrow as my
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  final 42 ones, A2 and A4. So that gets you.
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  That's eight, that's eight. That's not even, that's under.
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  There's obviously one team could screw it up.
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  You get an 11 there, all right, you're dead.
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  But do you see that? Happening this year.
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  I don't, I think I hate to say this word when it comes to
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  betting because there's no sure thing.
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  Yeah, this sure seems like a cinch because I like a bunch of
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  ones. I know there was 4 made it last
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  year that probably won't happen this year and I don't ask me
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  which one's going to fall first. Hopefully it's Michigan, first
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  time states. First time since 2008 we saw all
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  the number one seeds a year ago. It's happened twice ever since
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  the 64 team bracket started in 1985.
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  I love historical data. I think you know that about me
• 17:29
  and certainly with the NCAA Tournament, I like looking at
• 17:31
  past but. I think it changes because of
• 17:33
  nil. And you're absolutely right,
• 17:36
  what we saw a year ago was completely different really than
• 17:40
  anything that we've saw before. Remember the plucky underdog
• 17:44
  that made it to the Sweet 1612 speeding fives?
• 17:46
  Oh, absolutely. It was a huge thing.
• 17:48
  And it was those double digit scenes that get to the Sweet 16.
• 17:51
  A year ago we had one that made it that plucky underdog that
• 17:56
  just doesn't have as much to compete.
• 17:57
  The Arkansas Razorbacks with Cal and the Tyson money that was
• 18:01
  your underdog a year ago in the NCAA Tournament was Cinderella.
• 18:05
  Cinderella. John Calipari with the Tyson
• 18:08
  chicken money. Yeah, with Tyson chicken money.
• 18:11
  That's who we had a year ago. Your regions one versus 5-6
• 18:16
  versus 2. That was in the South.
• 18:17
  Ole Miss was a six seed, of course, beat Iowa State.
• 18:20
  There's Arkansas, the 10 along the Florida and Maryland, 14,
• 18:23
  Texas Tech, the three that played out according to seeding.
• 18:27
  In the East, we got 1-6 seed. That was BYU.
• 18:30
  He beat Wisconsin, but the one, four and two were all there.
• 18:33
  And then in the Midwest, it went.
• 18:34
  Chalk to the Sweet 16 #1 Houston #4 Purdue, 2 Tennessee, 3
• 18:40
  Kentucky. I hope that is not our new
• 18:43
  reality. I think, yeah.
• 18:45
  Here is. So you've got a 42 ones and a
• 18:48
  deuce. Yes, that's what I that's where
• 18:50
  you're you're standing right now.
• 18:51
  Yes, in the past when we talk about these teams and think back
• 18:56
  of whatever upset you want to think about, how many times was
• 19:00
  it a veteran squad? Guys have played together for
• 19:03
  two, 3-4 years. They grew up together and that
• 19:07
  was the breakthrough moment. Now it is all these mid major
• 19:12
  teams are young, you know and you know.
• 19:14
  Why? Yeah, because they haven't got
• 19:15
  got plucked to the to the to the big teams yet.
• 19:17
  What was it? Was it last year or two years
• 19:19
  ago in the Missouri Valley where all the top 15 returning
• 19:23
  players? Yeah, The that held the team?
• 19:26
  Yeah, 13 of the 15, right. Depart, right.
• 19:29
  I just saw it today. Belmont, their big guy who's
• 19:31
  really good, really skilled, He's in the portal.
• 19:33
  Yeah, you know, you know, apparently he's in on him.
• 19:35
  Who's that? Iowa State.
• 19:36
  No, not surprised. He's really good block shots,
• 19:40
  skill set that he can shoot it from the outside like it liked
• 19:43
  him a lot at Belmont. That is our reality.
• 19:45
  So now these mid majors that we're used to, at minimum
• 19:48
  they're going to be veteran. They seen a lot, yeah.
• 19:50
  It's a step up in competition. But these guys are 2122 years
• 19:54
  old. They've gone through the battles
• 19:56
  well. Now they're 18 and 19 and how
• 19:58
  they're going up against teams that have that kind of skill,
• 20:01
  your veteran teams. Look at Michigan, look at the
• 20:04
  veteran nature of that school forward to stick around.
• 20:07
  They're old and yes, you can keep those guys got around, even
• 20:11
  the guys on the fringes. Now you can pay and then you can
• 20:13
  go out and you can augment your roster with a Lena Borg and
• 20:16
  that's going to go a long, long ways.
• 20:18
  What you could do those kind of things and change the equation
• 20:20
  last year. I hope this is not our new
• 20:22
  reality, but unfortunately I. Think it is, Trent.
• 20:25
  I think it's trending in that direction.
• 20:26
  I really do. We shall see where it goes.
• 20:29
  All right. Want to spend a minute on this?
• 20:30
  Oh, I got one more, OK, one more of my bracket notes from last
• 20:33
  night. I was watching CBS Sports
• 20:35
  Network. You know, I love what they do.
• 20:37
  College football and college basketball both love their
• 20:39
  shows. John Rostein.
• 20:41
  Yep. We're dude.
• 20:43
  I'm going to try and make I've got form of business partnership
• 20:45
  with him, but that aside. He's weird.
• 20:47
  Yeah. He isn't.
• 20:48
  Which? Is which is why I haven't
• 20:49
  reached out to him yet. He's also a New Yorker, and I
• 20:53
  think we all know the ugly side of New Yorkers, at least how
• 20:55
  it's painted. Right?
• 20:56
  Yeah, boy, did he bring that up in a big brash me.
• 21:00
  Oh God. So he's talking.
• 21:01
  About you know what doesn't you know what?
• 21:03
  Oh yeah, he was talking about the Saint John's you and I game
• 21:06
  and I want to go through the TV and punch him in the face.
• 21:07
  What did he say? No shot.
• 21:09
  Say John, St. John's.
• 21:12
  They're playing well. Play great basketball, but come
• 21:15
  on. No shot for a team that scored
• 21:18
  40 points in a game two weeks ago that went through, buddy.
• 21:20
  He has Yukon a putrid. A putrid biggie, I hope.
• 21:28
  I look, I'd love to see it too. I'd love this.
• 21:30
  I'd love to see you when I advance.
• 21:32
  What do you do against Saint John's?
• 21:34
  And they're a bear inside. Not a great shooting team.
• 21:37
  You're going to slow down. The clock, yes.
• 21:40
  I think you and I is a live dog in that.
• 21:42
  Group. So how many points did they get
• 21:43
  in? 11 and a half, Ten and a half,
• 21:44
  10 1/2 No. I think the Panthers have a shot
• 21:46
  and there was just something about his New York tone and New
• 21:50
  Yorkers. So what I'm referring to, I own
• 21:52
  the domain. This is March.
• 21:54
  Yes. Dot com and you hear it all the
• 21:56
  time at this time of year and I just don't know what to do with
• 21:58
  itthisismarch.com because he says it more than anybody.
• 22:02
  He does. He says it daily.
• 22:04
  Every day. And he starts in February.
• 22:06
  This is March, this is March and I'm squatting on it and I don't
• 22:10
  know what to do with. It have you you used to have
• 22:12
  hundreds I. Know I did, yeah.
• 22:14
  At one point, have you ever sold one of these?
• 22:17
  No, and I turn people down, but yes, because I was.
• 22:20
  That's a long story. I don't want to bore the
• 22:22
  audience. Let's get to baseball because I
• 22:25
  forgot to do the guest list. So in 5 minutes or their boss,
• 22:27
  Tom Caker is going to join us before he heads on his airplane
• 22:30
  to head to Tampa. I'm going to ask him this
• 22:32
  question. I'll ask you because you made
• 22:33
  the trip, is Tampa outside the Big 10 footprint?
• 22:38
  And I'll throw Ames into it because of the SEI Hawk every
• 22:42
  two years. Is there another city that Hawk
• 22:44
  fans have been asked to go to if they're following their football
• 22:47
  or their basketball team more than Tampa?
• 22:49
  Probably not. Probably not, right?
• 22:51
  It's uncanny. It's been Indianapolis a couple
• 22:54
  of times. Couple.
• 22:54
  Of times, yeah. Chicago, Indianapolis for Big 10
• 22:57
  tournaments. They're Tampa in this Outback
• 22:59
  Bowl, year after year after year.
• 23:01
  There's a lot of snowbirds down there all sure think they're
• 23:04
  going to have a decent contingent.
• 23:06
  Decent. Except that they're the nine
• 23:08
  seed. Here's the other problem, what
• 23:11
  Iowa women's basketball is turned into.
• 23:12
  No, that's true too. That's the problem.
• 23:14
  They play Sunday, Tuesday, Saturday, Monday.
• 23:17
  Yes, Saturday, Monday. That also I think is an issue
• 23:21
  when you're talking. About the travelling party,
• 23:22
  great point. Yep, great point.
• 23:24
  Has siphoned fans away. I told you the story before.
• 23:27
  I am just shocked of the number of people and we're a couple
• 23:31
  years removed now from Caitlin, two years removed and how still
• 23:36
  important it is. Appointment viewing what Iowa
• 23:39
  men's basketball was in the 80s and 90s.
• 23:41
  That's become a woman's basketball for a ton of people
• 23:44
  and people my parents age, a lot of their friends.
• 23:47
  I mean, that is they go out, they go on their car rides on
• 23:49
  Sunday. That's what apparently that's
• 23:52
  what retired people have. That's what we got to look
• 23:53
  forward to. That's what we got to do.
• 23:54
  Cindy and Jet, yes, but that's also a part of it.
• 23:59
  What time does Iowa play Iowa? Women play that I can think of.
• 24:01
  I can hear my parents. You want to go for a car ride?
• 24:03
  What? A car ride.
• 24:07
  That is the reality. That's what you got to look
• 24:09
  forward to. Or you can just stick around.
• 24:11
  Yeah, you know what, man? That that might just be the
• 24:15
  deciding factor. Maybe I should tell Cindy that
• 24:17
  because she might ask me. Stick around.
• 24:19
  She. Right.
• 24:19
  No. Car rights?
• 24:20
  No. Rights Baseball, World Baseball
• 24:23
  Classic, the passion that just exudes through your television
• 24:28
  set when watching these games. I can't wait that Matt Snyder is
• 24:32
  where I'm going with guest list. Caker, First hour #2 John
• 24:34
  Walters, Voices of the Cyclones and then Matt Snyder, who's in
• 24:37
  Miami. He's been in Miami, he's been
• 24:39
  covering this event, the World Baseball Classic.
• 24:41
  He's covered a bunch of World Series, a bunch of World Series,
• 24:44
  and not only in one city. He follows it around.
• 24:48
  Is there anything that comes close to this from I?
• 24:51
  Because when you, you know, over in the winter months, some every
• 24:55
  now and then you come across a game of baseball in the
• 24:57
  Dominican Republic or game in Cuba or you know, something and
• 25:01
  it's just a different experience watching the game, right.
• 25:05
  And we're seeing that in American cities, at least I am.
• 25:08
  Oh, absolutely. Especially in Miami last night.
• 25:11
  It was an incredible scene. It was amazing, especially when
• 25:13
  Venezuela was 7th inning. Yeah, the comeback place was
• 25:17
  bananas. Couple of hits with 2 outs and
• 25:19
  they were just on fire. The crowd shots were incredible.
• 25:22
  That's what makes baseball October baseball.
• 25:25
  I think so special is that Lowell in between the pitches,
• 25:28
  the crowd shots, the cutaways, the nervous energy and this is a
• 25:32
  different kind of energy. It's an exciting energy and it
• 25:34
  is. I see Miguel Cabrera in the in
• 25:36
  the bench and the hoot and hollering.
• 25:38
  It's amazing. These guys are like kids.
• 25:40
  They're not. You don't see them as multi
• 25:42
  millionaire athletes. You see them as, you know, kids
• 25:46
  playing a kids game in a lot of ways, at least I did yesterday.
• 25:50
  I was just blown away. So I want to, I mean, Matt
• 25:52
  Snyder, he's experienced it, you know, World Series and then
• 25:56
  this. I I got to think this is
• 25:57
  entirely different. I will have to look at what the
• 26:00
  Tuesday NCAA Tournament first four-game was a year ago, oh, to
• 26:04
  compare it. But I think this is going to
• 26:06
  take a significant hit of the numbers that are going to be
• 26:10
  watching Texas, NC State, well. One of them you got to really
• 26:13
  work to find it. Is it T?
• 26:15
  Is it true TV, Tru TV Yep. The other one's on fox.
• 26:19
  The other game is on Fox and it's.
• 26:21
  US red, white and blue, yes, right.
• 26:23
  That goes a long ways. That goes a long ways.
• 26:25
  This is I I was if I came into this event, not sure you know
• 26:30
  what it's going to do. I've had a total redux.
• 26:33
  This is this is a big event. This is taking it this year has
• 26:37
  gone to another level for. Me way bigger than I remember.
• 26:39
  Yeah, passing interest. Yep.
• 26:41
  Maybe flip it on, it has become certainly here over this last
• 26:44
  week appointment viewing, Yep. And going back to Sunday night,
• 26:48
  last night, very wild start to finish.
• 26:50
  Yep, that helped. Nothing else was going on.
• 26:52
  Sure. Monday was.
• 26:53
  Yeah, there was nothing Monday. And if there was, if the first
• 26:56
  four was tonight and we would have got Venezuela, Italy
• 26:59
  tonight instead, right, I would have been on the mess.
• 27:02
  Yeah, I would have been on the basketball.
• 27:03
  And I still will be. I want to watch the 11 versus.
• 27:05
  11 Yeah NC. Yeah, I like Texas.
• 27:07
  Yeah. We'll get some thoughts on that.
• 27:09
  I got some more a little bit later on, but OK, I am with you.
• 27:12
  I think this is going to be great.
• 27:13
  I think it's going to do a huge number, certainly in comparison,
• 27:16
  and probably going to hurt the NCAA Tournament, something
• 27:18
  that's difficult to do in March. I'm with you.
• 27:21
  All right, We'll come back. We'll talk to Tom Caker as he
• 27:23
  gets set to depart for Tampa again.
• 27:26
  Again. He knows the spots.
• 27:28
  He does. Miller and Condon underway on
• 27:31
  our Tuesday. Still to come, John Walters, the
• 27:33
  voice of Iowa State, kicks off the second hour.
• 27:35
  Matt Snyder, our baseball guy from CBSSports.com.
• 27:39
  He joins us at 1:30 Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio
• 27:42
  Network. Hi, Mary Collington, Welcome
• 27:59
  back, Iowa Sports Radio Network, wherever you're listening.
• 28:01
  Grateful that you are. We'll take you until 2:00.
• 28:04
  Still to come, John Walters, voice of Iowa State, kicks off
• 28:07
  the 1:00 hour. Matt Snyder covers baseball for
• 28:10
  CBSSports.com. Preview of tonight's
• 28:13
  championship game. I lost Tom Cagart or he lost us.
• 28:18
  How so? I don't know.
• 28:19
  He's not there. He's there.
• 28:21
  Is he? Yeah, it's flashing.
• 28:22
  I'll be damned, it is. I'm here.
• 28:27
  Good to have you, Tom. I don't know where you went on
• 28:28
  my screen, but you're back. Good to see you or good to talk
• 28:31
  to you. Are you getting sick of going to
• 28:34
  Tampa? You there?
• 28:40
  Maybe he is. I'm telling you, there's
• 28:42
  something going on. Here something funky I'll I'll
• 28:44
  try on another. Line.
• 28:45
  Let's try on another line. I knew it wasn't me, but maybe
• 28:48
  it is. We'll get Tom Cacre back in here
• 28:51
  and get his thoughts on what lies ahead for Iowa.
• 28:53
  Obviously game against Clemson, a Clemson team that is without
• 28:57
  one of their better players. So we'll do that and see how far
• 29:00
  they can go. And I thought Trent made a
• 29:01
  really good point as to perhaps this is going to prevent some of
• 29:06
  the. I think it's our phones, isn't
• 29:08
  it? I'm not sure.
• 29:10
  Do you have him? I don't.
• 29:11
  I do, yeah. He's not showing up here.
• 29:13
  There we go. All right.
• 29:14
  Let's try this. You might need to restart your.
• 29:16
  Maybe I do. There you are, Tom.
• 29:19
  Good to hear. Good to hear from you.
• 29:20
  Let me ask you a question again. Are you sick of going to Tampa?
• 29:25
  I never get sick of Tampa. OK, good place.
• 29:28
  I just the thing I worry about is that I I jokingly said to a
• 29:32
  friend of mine. I wonder if they can if the NCAA
• 29:36
  will hire John James to run a nice hospitality room for me.
• 29:41
  That's all I'm going to miss is John James.
• 29:44
  Is is it in the same hotel to me to put in the same hotel?
• 29:48
  No, we're actually downtown. You know, usually we're out by
• 29:50
  the airport area and this time it's it's downtown at a little
• 29:56
  Springhill Suites. So we'll be it's about a mile
• 30:00
  from the from the arena, so. Good stuff.
• 30:04
  Trent made a great point earlier and I'm going to steal it from
• 30:06
  him just because I got you first.
• 30:08
  We were talking about, you know, what kind of what kind of travel
• 30:11
  party will make their way down there to watch this.
• 30:13
  And I I, you know, I didn't I didn't have an answer.
• 30:17
  And and Trent put put it, I'm paraphrasing that he's not sure
• 30:21
  because the Iowa women have really established their place
• 30:24
  in the market amongst Hawkeye basketball fans.
• 30:27
  They're at home. They play Saturday, they play
• 30:29
  Monday, assuming they get by on Saturday.
• 30:32
  And perhaps that will, you know, change some minds as to buy a
• 30:35
  plane ticket and travel to Florida during spring break,
• 30:37
  which isn't cheap to do. Or stay at home and watch the
• 30:40
  Iowa women. Yeah, but there's a lot of Hawks
• 30:43
  fans down in that area though, so, and a lot of them that that
• 30:47
  winter down there, you know, and they're not back here yet.
• 30:49
  So there's, from what I understand, I think they're
• 30:53
  going to have a full complement of people.
• 30:55
  I asked Beth Getz Sunday what her plan was, and she said her
• 31:00
  plan is to go to Cleveland on Thursday, watch the men play on
• 31:04
  Friday and then get Iowa City for the women's game on
• 31:07
  Saturday. So that's that's her plan.
• 31:10
  Must be nice. She's going to try.
• 31:11
  She's going to pull off the triple.
• 31:13
  Really, that's good use of the company jet making that would
• 31:17
  happen. You got it, Why not you?
• 31:18
  Absolutely. No doubt about it.
• 31:21
  Quickly on the women's side, we'll get in the match up
• 31:24
  against Clemson and potentially a match up against Florida down
• 31:27
  there in Tampa. But the women, the draw that
• 31:30
  they got, it's going to be Georgia again.
• 31:31
  We saw them a couple of years ago in that round of 32 and gave
• 31:34
  them a tussle. Caitlin had to have a shot in
• 31:36
  the final minute to stretch that thing out to a couple of
• 31:39
  possessions. Don't tell me she made it.
• 31:41
  She made it. Yeah, she she did make it here.
• 31:44
  That draw, that second round game.
• 31:46
  Of course, they lost her sophomore year to Creighton in
• 31:49
  the round of 32. What is it about that one?
• 31:51
  Even at Carver, it just, it feels so tough.
• 31:54
  Is this just Iowa thing, or is it just in general getting to
• 31:58
  that Sweet 16 tougher than maybe you'd anticipate?
• 32:01
  Yeah, And you know, Caitlin talked about that before her
• 32:04
  senior year game and just that that game is a lot tougher than
• 32:09
  maybe a Sweet 16 game in a lot of ways because there's just so
• 32:13
  much pressure because if you you want to win that game so badly
• 32:17
  so you can get to that second weekend and that other team is
• 32:21
  going to give their all to try and beat you.
• 32:23
  And yeah, it's that George game is really scary.
• 32:26
  I suspect they're going to cruise past them in the first
• 32:29
  game. And who knows, maybe Arizona
• 32:31
  State or somebody comes in or one of the other teams.
• 32:34
  I mean, we have to play in games there.
• 32:36
  So maybe they come in and give Georgia fits too.
• 32:40
  So we'll, we'll see. But yeah, Georgia, Georgia is
• 32:45
  ranked 24th in the country and they're a second round game in
• 32:48
  the round of 32. So not not great.
• 32:51
  Yeah, You know what, I noticed this and I hadn't noticed this
• 32:54
  before when you when pursuant to the women's brackets, you
• 32:57
  mentioned the playing games, whereas the men is the 11 and
• 32:59
  the 16, the women are the 10. That's what they're playing game
• 33:03
  is 10 and 16. So a little different
• 33:05
  differentiation there on their part.
• 33:08
  Tom, as far as availability can are tickets still available for
• 33:12
  the weekend at Carver, do you know?
• 33:14
  Boy, I, I think they've sold out already from what I what I would
• 33:18
  gather. I mean those things so felt like
• 33:20
  hotcakes every time they go on sale.
• 33:22
  So it's I'm anticipating there's going to be a full house and
• 33:26
  it's going to be loud and it's going to be a lot of fun.
• 33:29
  So, and there's also that, you know, the cool thing about the
• 33:32
  NCAA tournament is they have those, those I mentioned this on
• 33:35
  the message boards the other day.
• 33:37
  They have those shoot arounds or little practice session things
• 33:41
  that are open to the public. So if you didn't get tickets,
• 33:44
  you can go to Carver Hawkeye Arena and watch them practice on
• 33:47
  Friday. Just, you know, I'm not sure
• 33:49
  what time the practices are, but you can go there and put on a
• 33:53
  4045 minute practice, price science autographs and it's all
• 33:56
  free. See all the teams that are
• 33:58
  coming through, Yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's, it's it's a
• 34:01
  great benefit for for basketball fans in the state.
• 34:06
  The Virginia, Arizona State, which is weird a playing in the
• 34:10
  ten in the 10 line, don't see that very often.
• 34:14
  So Arizona State against Iowa State this year.
• 34:16
  Don't know much about Virginia, but what kind of crowd are they
• 34:19
  going to get Thursday night in Carver for that one?
• 34:22
  I mean, how many people? It's one thing to watch Iowa
• 34:25
  play. It's another thing to watch
• 34:26
  Arizona State and Virginia. We talking about hundreds of
• 34:28
  people or will there be a couple thousand in the building?
• 34:32
  There was, they had a plan for one of the Kingman teams too,
• 34:36
  when they were one. And that's a different,
• 34:38
  different genre with, you know, 22 obscure teams versus 2 power
• 34:44
  conference teams. So I, I think there'll be a
• 34:46
  couple thousand people there. I, I just do, I think that the
• 34:50
  fans of women's basketball will show up and watch it and, and,
• 34:55
  and want to be a part of that. So, and why not?
• 34:58
  It's an NCAA tournament game. You get to watch it, and it's
• 35:01
  probably pretty inexpensive to get in, so why?
• 35:03
  Why not? Absolutely.
• 35:04
  Let's talk about the men. They'll play Clemson in their
• 35:07
  first round matchup. Clemson without Carter Welling
• 35:09
  who got hurt and hit the first game of the ACC tournament
• 35:12
  towards ACL. So they're mean.
• 35:14
  He's out for sure. Not miraculously going to come
• 35:17
  onto the floor at any point. 6 foot 10 junior so I was
• 35:20
  struggled with size throughout the season. 610 kid is not going
• 35:24
  to be able to answer the bell. Your thoughts on the matchup?
• 35:27
  Yeah, that is a significant development because he was the
• 35:31
  leading rebounder and a double figure score and they've only
• 35:33
  got 2 double figure scores on that team.
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  They've got like 3 guys that are in the 9 range.
• 35:38
  So it's really close, but that's a big deal for them just from a
• 35:43
  rebound perspective, because the first game that they played
• 35:47
  without him, obviously it's against Duke.
• 35:50
  So Duke was really good, but but Duke was without, you know,
• 35:55
  Yeah, yeah, in that in that game.
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  And and they they out rebounded them by like 14 in that game.
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  So so you know, just by that you can tell they're they're not a
• 36:07
  great rebounding team to begin with.
• 36:09
  I think there were plus one and 1.9 this season as a whole and
• 36:14
  and got rebounded out, rebounded by 14 by Duke in that game.
• 36:17
  So that is something that's probably benefits to Iowa
• 36:21
  because I was not a great rebounding team, but that should
• 36:25
  help them. They don't have a shot blocker,
• 36:28
  which is something that's I think given Iowa the most fits
• 36:31
  this year is size in the post and and the guys who can kind of
• 36:37
  keep you away from the rim like an Illinois team, places like
• 36:41
  that, Purdue. So they don't have that.
• 36:45
  So I and I was going to have the best player on the floor.
• 36:48
  They just are coming into the game.
• 36:50
  Bennett Sturtz is the best player that's going to be on
• 36:52
  that floor. They've got some really good
• 36:54
  players, but and Trent will appreciate this.
• 36:58
  The thing that I always fear is the random bench guy that comes
• 37:03
  in and scores 15 points and hits 5 three, yes, that's that's I
• 37:07
  was fate in every every big game.
• 37:09
  Who have you identified the guy for Clemson you think has a shot
• 37:12
  to do that? Who's going to be the one that
• 37:13
  comes in? I I look in here, I got a name
• 37:16
  for you, Ace Buckner. He's a freshman that's shooting
• 37:18
  32% from three. He seems like he's destined for
• 37:21
  about a 5 or 7 performance from behind the arc.
• 37:24
  Probably. That's probably him all.
• 37:26
  Right, Ace. Ace, but ace.
• 37:28
  Next out of three. Ken's already going to be
• 37:30
  shaking his head. Well, there's a better name.
• 37:31
  There's a there's a better name on that team.
• 37:33
  Butter Johnson. Butter Johnson.
• 37:35
  Butter Johnson, I was, I was joking with, with Gary Dolphin
• 37:40
  waiting. I can't wait for you to say
• 37:41
  Butter Johnson, Gary. Butter Johnson senior.
• 37:46
  Got to be. Careful with that one, Tom.
• 37:49
  They played a slow pace. Iowa plays at a slow pace.
• 37:51
  They're without their starting center.
• 37:53
  Feels like a lot of images Iowa's way.
• 37:56
  What do you point to though, Clemson that would give you
• 37:59
  concern? What's the thing that gives you
• 38:00
  pause here? Because I love Iowa, I think Ken
• 38:03
  likes Iowa in this spot, most everybody and even on a national
• 38:06
  scene does. What does give you pause?
• 38:09
  That everybody likes Iowa. That's true.
• 38:11
  That's a great point. Public side, man, I looked at, I
• 38:15
  looked at the percentages yesterday and it was like what,
• 38:17
  89% of the money's on Iowa right now?
• 38:20
  And I'm like, oh, normally in my life, I run the other direction.
• 38:24
  So, so, you know, it's that that gives me pause.
• 38:31
  The other thing that gives me pause is that's a pretty battle
• 38:34
  tested Constantine. A lot of those guys are junior
• 38:37
  seniors that were part of that that Elite Eight team a couple
• 38:41
  of years ago. And so they've been through the
• 38:44
  wars and they've played in the NCAA Tournament.
• 38:47
  So the moment's not going to be big for them.
• 38:51
  They're not going to get kind of caught up in it.
• 38:53
  Not that I will will because most of those guys have been
• 38:56
  through this, you know, playing in the NCAA tournament at least
• 39:01
  a little bit like last year with most of the guys that came over
• 39:03
  from Drake. So they I would be more worried
• 39:05
  if they hadn't experienced this. So, but with this game, as low
• 39:10
  scoring and low possessions as it's going to be, you cannot
• 39:13
  have that slow start be down 21 to 10 because that's then you're
• 39:18
  you're really chasing uphill. You, you're in that hole.
• 39:23
  Question about Brad Brownell, who was the coach way back in
• 39:26
  the day at UNC Wilmington coached in Iowa there with Craig
• 39:29
  Callahan, who did great things with the Seahawks.
• 39:32
  He was very close to getting the Iowa job back when Fram
• 39:35
  McCaffrey was ultimately hired. Do you remember was, were those
• 39:39
  the two finalists? Was it another guy in the Mex?
• 39:42
  Who else was there? Because I remember Brownell.
• 39:45
  He was at Wright State of the prominence he was.
• 39:46
  Prominent in the search. And done a nice job at Clemson
• 39:49
  overall, but, you know, kind of going back in that machine.
• 39:52
  What do you remember about that time when Fran was hired?
• 39:54
  Yeah, it's just I remember his name coming up quite a bit in
• 39:58
  that search and that he was a major candidate.
• 40:01
  I think he's originally from Indiana, I think southern
• 40:05
  Indiana maybe. So there's some kind of Midwest
• 40:08
  feel to him and but I think it worked out for both parties.
• 40:13
  But he was, he's had a career a lot like Fran where?
• 40:18
  And he, and just for Brownell, I mean, a couple years ago, he was
• 40:22
  on the hot seat until he had that Elite Eight run and that I
• 40:25
  bought him another couple of years here and he's made the
• 40:28
  tournament last couple years. So as long as he keeps making
• 40:31
  the tournament, I think he's good for for a bit.
• 40:34
  But yeah, there were some lean years for him where he was
• 40:37
  definitely hot seat or or darn near close to it.
• 40:42
  Last thing, and this is for both EVO, I'm trying, you probably
• 40:45
  saw this, one of our one of our listeners reached out via via
• 40:48
  our Miller and Condon Twitter account and asked us for this
• 40:51
  this prop question. The Iowa men and women will
• 40:55
  combine to win. Will they combine to win more
• 40:59
  games than the Iowa State men and women?
• 41:05
  I'd have to go probably the Iowa State side and.
• 41:10
  May, yeah. But is the women one Max?
• 41:14
  What do you mean? Well, they're not winning in the
• 41:16
  round of 32, no. So the so the 11 win Max is all
• 41:20
  you're. Going to get yes.
• 41:22
  Here's another way to look at it.
• 41:23
  Are the Iowa men one Max Tom or would you give them any shot of
• 41:29
  beating Florida? None.
• 41:30
  I I don't. Think they have much Florida, to
• 41:34
  be honest. I I just think their size is
• 41:37
  just too overwhelming. And that's that's going to be
• 41:41
  the I know some people who I've talked a couple of people who
• 41:44
  seem to think that maybe they would have that was of the one
• 41:48
  seeds, that's the one you'd have the best shot against.
• 41:51
  Yeah, I think. So.
• 41:52
  Maybe that's true because because their guard play is
• 41:55
  suspect. It.
• 41:56
  Is and, but, but boy, that size, just just see them playing
• 42:02
  volleyball on those guys playing volleyball with the backboard.
• 42:07
  So we'll hopefully we'll get to see that on Sunday.
• 42:10
  But I'd be all for it. Good stuff, Tom, travel safe.
• 42:13
  Appreciate what you do for us. As always.
• 42:15
  We will. We're off Thursday, Friday, so
• 42:17
  we'll talk to you next Friday. Tom Kaiker, thank you, bud.
• 42:20
  Awesome. Thanks guys.
• 42:21
  Good to talk to you Tom Kaiker hawkeyereport.com part of on
• 42:24
  three media. So the answer is what Push Iowa
• 42:30
  State men win 3? That would play out to seeding.
• 42:36
  I will state women, when they get bounced one, do you think 1,
• 42:41
  you think they win the first one?
• 42:42
  I do. OK, you're going to give them
• 42:43
  that one. So you got them.
• 42:44
  So can I will win four games, men and women combined?
• 42:47
  Well, one for the men, one for the men.
• 42:50
  And then it's. Going to be push 44.
• 42:52
  It's going. To be a push.
• 42:53
  That's what seeding says, though.
• 42:54
  That's right. That's not the easy way.
• 42:57
  That's not going to the easy way out.
• 42:59
  Well, it's probably -110 on both sides.
• 43:01
  Probably would be on the well. This is a condo casino.
• 43:03
  Yes, I'll. I'll set it.
• 43:05
  I'm going to lay a little extra juice -115 at the condo casino.
• 43:08
  Take that. We have to take our time out.
• 43:12
  If we had to put an advantage on it though.
• 43:14
  I think it's Iowa State, in fact.
• 43:19
  I just think there are what is there a 2% chance they beat
• 43:23
  Yukon in the round of 32? The I would say women and like
• 43:26
  A5. Percent chance it's not even
• 43:27
  that high. OK. 1% chance and there's how.
• 43:30
  About no chance and A5. Percent chance for the Iowa men,
• 43:34
  that's like my differentiator between the two because I think
• 43:38
  the Iowa Iowa State men and the Iowa women are basically the
• 43:42
  same. About the same and it's.
• 43:43
  The same for the Iowa men and the Iowa State women, but maybe
• 43:46
  just a slight notch higher for the Iowa men to pull that up.
• 43:49
  Set -120 on the Iowa, even 100 on Iowa.
• 43:55
  State all right, we'll come back.
• 43:56
  Miller and Condon, you're listening to the Iowa Sports
• 43:58
  Radio network. Hi Miller and Condon welcome
• 44:09
  back final couple of minutes hour number one John Walters
• 44:11
  kicks off the second hour. Matt Snyder's in Miami for the
• 44:15
  finale of the World Baseball classic.
• 44:17
  Thank you to Thomas Scherzan or Tom Scherzan.
• 44:21
  He was the one that text our our reached out to his via the
• 44:25
  Miller and Condon Twitter account.
• 44:27
  With that brain teaser. That was a good.
• 44:29
  One, yes, absolutely. I liked it and I think it's even
• 44:32
  down the line. Too, I think it is.
• 44:33
  Answer the question coming full circle 19 minutes ago.
• 44:37
  Tickets for the first and second round at Carver Hawkeye Arena
• 44:40
  are officially sold out. Are they gone but it but it's
• 44:44
  just a 22 thing. Yeah, Well, look, we thought
• 44:48
  that that there would be an impact on the game.
• 44:51
  We said that as much that, you know, not just Iowa, but what
• 44:54
  she's done brought eyeballs to women's basketball.
• 44:57
  And would it would it continue? And well, certainly has it in
• 45:00
  Iowa City. I think Caitlin, her team plays
• 45:04
  today. I think I think during the day
• 45:06
  today. Anyways, that aside.
• 45:08
  All right, John Walters coming up.
• 45:09
  We will talk to John Walters on Iowa State and their path.
• 45:14
  Boy, there's a lot of Santa Clara love out there in the
• 45:16
  second round. What do they do?
• 45:17
  Well, what the shooting, obviously.
• 45:21
  Good shooting team you would assume.
• 45:22
  Yes, absolutely. Very efficient on the offensive
• 45:25
  end of the floor. They're not going to beat
• 45:27
  themselves. It is just a good solid team.
• 45:30
  They're not going to overwhelm you by any means.
• 45:32
  But Santa Clara good solid When they played some of the upper
• 45:36
  end teams though hasn't gone very well for Herb.
• 45:39
  Sendex squad Herb seed a lot of basketball.
• 45:41
  Yeah, yes, he certainly has our two next Miller and Condon on
• 45:45
  the Iowa Sports Radio Network.