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Men Helping Men Episode 27 · Men Helping Men

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men helping men, one door 1 Lord one covenant.
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So we need to do our part. Stop saying it's not by work so
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you don't have to read your Bible.
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That's not what Paul was talking about.
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We don't just talk the talk. heart and live a dog like Jesus
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every single day. Christ built intellectually
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initiate Pastor Doug and Lilia, brother Kevin and Brano.
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Christ built sons.
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Well, Aloha, good afternoon. Welcome to Men Helping Men.
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I'm your host, Kevin Anderson, joined by again our executive
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producer and pastor, Doug Chong. Christ Built Ministries, the
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founder of Men Helping Men and new title songwriter of the
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amazing Christ built music that we have a fortunate blessing to
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listen to at the beginning of every show here, deep
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theological messages always written into the songs.
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Doug inspired by, of course, your passion for the truth.
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Yeah Doug, and knowing what it is to not only have a
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relationship with God, but how do we do that starting off with
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the first I intimate and initiate and go ahead Doug and
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talk about the three eyes in the song that we just heard.
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Amazing music again, Doug. Yeah, thank you, Kevin.
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And, and the first size intellectual is knowing why we
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were created. Now, if you're walking on a
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desert island and you see a piano on the beach, you don't
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think the the the animal life put that together or it just
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came together from the elements of this world.
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You know, there is a divine person, a creator that put it
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together because it's so technical.
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So we can have patterns like ripples in the sand, but the
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technical, like our DNA, the technicalities of things like
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our fingerprints, one-of-a-kind, 8 billion people, nobody has
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your fingerprint. There's a creator.
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This, this universe, this world, God left his fingerprints.
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So we search him out and find out why we are here and remember
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Adam and Eve go back to the basics.
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Why did he create Adam in his own image?
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He has angels, never created them in his own image, Adam in
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his own image. Same reason why we have
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children, part of me, part of my wife who I love loving the kids
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because that's both of us put together.
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So God the Father created Adam in his own image so he could
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have a daily intimate relationship with Adam.
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Sin came into the picture separated Adam and and God the
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Father. So the whole plan of redemption
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is to what to restore that relationship with God again.
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Sin because he's holy separated us.
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Now the whole plan of redemption is not so I can say I believe
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Jesus came down here rose from rose from the dead three days
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later and then went to heaven. Now I'm saved, I can live my own
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life. It's to reestablish that daily
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intimate relationship with God. Remember, what does heaven
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represent? It doesn't represent we're not
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going to hell. That's a side effect.
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It represents our daily, intimate, loving relationship
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with God the Father. Every true Christian, that's
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what they're excited for. If you're not excited for that,
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if you're not excited for that, if you're not excited for that,
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you're not a Christian. Wow, Doug, that's amazing.
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You know, and yes, exactly, God has left his fingerprints all
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around us for a reason, right, Doug, to seek him out.
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Why is this? Why can we talking about, I
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mean, we can get into the galaxies, we can get into all
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the stars and get it out of the fingerprints.
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We can get all these things about the creation around us and
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also within us too, our DNA. You know, we've been talking a
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little bit recently about that and the, I mean, the fact that
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we have what 30 trillion cells with inside of us.
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I mean, come on, man, there's got it's God has left his
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evidence all around us here for a reason to cause us to seek
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that reason out to open up the Bible to find out why are we
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here. And Doug, we always talk about
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the relationship with God and that was broken when Adam and
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Eve sinned. And that from that time on, God
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has been wanting to re establish that relationship with us.
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He did that to his Son, Jesus Christ gave that example for us
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to follow. And man, I tell you what I'm I'm
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again, I always reflect back in this whereby when I first sat
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down and I talk about this often because I just I'm just I see
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the evidence so clear now in my life because I'm applying myself
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to seek that will all my heart dug.
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And that's what we're called to do Not not, not, not not a once
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a week scenario, but every single day from the time our
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eyeballs open up in the morning, praising God that we woke up
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that's morning and all the way through the day.
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Seek him consistently dug throughout the day.
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Yeah. Yeah, right, Kevin.
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And it's, this is the hard part is we have so many things to
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take our attention away from reflecting and thinking deeply
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into why we're here. What is the purpose of life?
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Like my dad had 13 dogs back in the day when I was young.
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Why? If nobody says gives any context
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to that, they say OK, well does he just let him run around the
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yard? Is he a dog lover?
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No, he's a pig hunter. Those dogs are to catch those
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pigs. That's why he has so many of
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them. Makes sense.
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So anybody ever took his place and just went to the park with
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the dogs, They'll, they'll wreak havoc.
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You take them in the mountain and you, you target them to the
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pigs, they'll catch 1415 pigs. So it's annoying what our
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purpose is now. We can.
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We can. If I knew this in the beginning,
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Kevin, if I knew my my part was to build an intimate
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relationship with God the Father, I would have known where
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the target was. But everybody told me it was
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Mystic. Say the prayer, click your heels
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three times and say I want to go to heaven.
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I want to go. There's no place like heaven.
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There's no, no, it's not. Mystic.
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How do we build a relationship? I listen to you, learn about
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you. You, I talk to you, you listen
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to me, learn about me. That's a relationship.
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Me and my wife, that's how we started our relationship and
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then love came. Same thing with God.
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We listen by reading His word. When we pray, He's listening to
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us. And that's when little by
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little, He starts to change our hearts.
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He starts to transform us. Yeah, Doug, that's the
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intellectual part of it. Yeah, Doug, the first eye.
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And again, great analogy in a relationship, not only do you
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want to know that person, we want to spend time with them
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every day. You know, we reflected this
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morning, you know, and on on my situation.
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If I had a, you know, a potential spouse in my in my
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life and she needed me at 3:00 in the morning, man, I'd wake up
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and make sure I'm there for her and doing everything I can to
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make sure that I show her my love by my actions.
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Because right, Doug, love is an action.
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So the intellectual part of our figure eyes is knowing what why
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we're here, knowing what God created us for, and then doing
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our part to make sure we initiate that correct.
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Correct. And knowing that we're sinners,
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that we have the cancer called sin.
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See, when I was born, I had asthma.
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It's not because I was a chain smoker in my mother's womb.
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It's because I inherited it. I'm blessed that we we grew out
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of it. Our family from my dad's side,
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we grew out of it. But I had asthma.
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So we have seen from Adam and Eve, they call it original sin.
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We have sin in US. And you can see that clearly in
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a 2 year old. The kids are young, they're
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they're selfish. It didn't didn't learn.
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That's not a learn trait. It's in them.
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We got to teach them how to be selfless.
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So foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of
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discipline will drive it far from them.
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So Proverbs 2215 so little by little we teach them what the
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difference between right and wrong.
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So we make the pain of remaining the same greater than the pain
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of changing. So us spending time with God the
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Father. That's exactly what happened.
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So the first eye intellectual. Now we know we're sinners.
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We have the cancer called sin, but there's a plan for
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redemption. His grace allows us through
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Jesus to re establish that relationship with Him, not to
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just party on and sin on. No, it's not a covering.
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It's not an umbrella for us to do whatever we want.
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It's giving us the opportunity to build a relationship with God
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the Father. If it wasn't for his grace,
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he'll distance himself from us. He's holy.
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We're not. He has a white suit on tuxedo.
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We're filthy, filled with or or mud all around us.
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He's going to stay away from us, so to speak, so he cannot let
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the unforgiven into heaven. He's not like us.
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We'll slide people in the back door, people that we love and we
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like. His standard is pure.
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We're contaminated. I can't trust how I feel, but
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what I think that's why I'm big on Scripture.
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You know that I'm always filter it through God's Word.
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Acts 1711 even they even checked Paul, the Bereans, they didn't
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trust Paul and that's a good example.
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God left it in there to say don't trust anybody, including
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me. And ourselves, of course, right,
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Doug? And you know, you talked about,
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you know, the rod of discipline drives sin out of the of the
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choke. God is also in that in that
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sense with us, right, Doug, we have to align ourselves.
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We can't just continue to live in sin and think somehow that
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that grace allows us to continue on that way.
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It's grace is misunderstood today or by they think it's not
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why I can sin and it's OK, God's going to forgive me.
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But no grace is actually the way by which we can actually
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approach God to have a relationship.
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Correct, Doug. Correct.
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And Grace. Grace covers us.
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Kev, when you see your son, let's say my oldest son, Dougie,
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he was young. If I see him trying his hardest,
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let's say he has 10 things to do around the house chores.
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He does 8 of them, but he tried to get all ten of them done.
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He just wasn't capable of it. We came home late, got dark, had
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to eat dinner, he had homework. I get it.
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He gets an A. He tried.
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That's the difference. Even if we can we get AC or AF
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because that's our potential at the time God looks at the heart.
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Did we give it all we had? Did we try our hardest?
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And even if it's an F or AC in the world standard, just an in
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God's He looks at our sacrifice are are we really?
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Do we really want to know him? That's what he says, When you
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seek me, you will find me when you seek me with all your heart.
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Right, Doug, And that's what we're about here at Christ Built
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Ministries is get is getting to the heart of the issue going
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deep. This is you always refer to
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this, Doug, that what we're doing is hard work.
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The change that's going on in our heart, how the word of God
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changes us, how the Holy Spirit works with us.
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When we do, for example, use that example with, you know, the
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10 chores, you know, say throughout the day, we which we
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do our best to apply ourselves to the spiritual routine that we
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have at Christ built Ministries. We don't just check the box off.
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Maybe initially we might do that initially, Doug, but as our
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heart changes and we start to find out the real love of God
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for us, Doug, man, I tell you what inspires me to want to have
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a relationship even deeper with God.
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Right. And remember checking the box,
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that's called maturity. When when you're an infant is
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crying at 2:00 in the morning, you don't feel like getting up
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and feeding them or changing them.
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You check the box, you do it because it needs to be done.
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So it's you can't, we can't go on.
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We feel like it because most of the time we won't.
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Once we set our minds and we we set our heart on doing it.
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Let's just let your yes be yes and you know be no see love.
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It's more loving, Kev, if you go to a my grandson Dax's baseball
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game when you when you don't like to go to games, you don't
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like to sit in the sun, you don't like to watch baseball,
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let's say so your enjoyment is at A2.
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Let's say mine is at a 10 because it's my grandson.
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Now it takes more effort for you to go to that game than me.
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So that act of you sacrificing your love is greater than mine.
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So if we wait till we're ready to feel or we feel like doing
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it, anybody can do it. It's getting up early in the
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morning, spending time with God the Father because we love Him,
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not because I feel like it, because I love Him.
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If I'm making breakfast with my wife or taking care of her,
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doing the laundry, cleaning the house, I say she usually does
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it. Doug, why are you doing all
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that? Because I'm I'm the husband.
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I need to pick up after her because I love my wife.
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That's the key. See if the relationship is
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healthy, Kev love. There's no bounds, there's no
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boundaries. If you get love for God, he, he
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says they're no longer commands. It don't need to be, Kev.
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It's our desire to please him and.
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That's exactly right, Doug is I think you had it really, really
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clear as having a healthy relationship.
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What does it mean to have a healthy relationship with God?
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Because the world defines relationships as healthy
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relationships by spending time again, picking up, helping each
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other, being a good partner. That's also our responsibility
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to to create a healthy relationship with God is to make
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sure that not only just check. Sometimes we check the box, you
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know, like back in my story, Doug, whereby I got to the
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island here 12 years ago, I was out of shape, wasn't feeling
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good about myself, but I made a commitment to myself to get up
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at 3:00 in the morning. And that was my first
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intellectual decision that I had to make to do that.
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And there was nothing that was going to stand in my way to do
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that. And so I made that commitment
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and just the same way in that relevance whereby we make that
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same commitment to have that relationship, seeking God with
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all of our heart every single day.
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Correct, and when you make that intellectual relationship now,
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the heart is a driving force, that passion, that love.
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I get up sometimes having to do Hana tours.
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I love you, Father, give me strength.
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I can do this with you and you can get up and say ha, another
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day or thank you. Like what a beautiful day,
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depending on how you look at it. Help Him help you.
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Keeping in step with the Holy Spirit is looking at it as a
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blessing. Not looking at it as a burden,
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you see. So, so it's it's seeking him the
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intimacy with with with God and working things out.
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Is that working things out good or bad?
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You see a lot of people when it's bad, when things are UN
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uncomfortable or sensitive, they don't want to talk about it.
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So it's like the elephant is walking around the room and
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everybody's trying to ignore the elephant saying, who's the
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elephant in this? Let's talk about this.
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Let's get this elephant out of here.
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But they don't. So it's very like, it's like
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walking on egg shells when you go to family get togethers
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because there's conflict and people cut off people.
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I don't want him to cut me off. I don't want them to cut me off.
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When we follow God, we do what is right.
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God won't cut us off. We follow what he says because
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he's the engineer. He's our creator.
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I don't like I told you, his word has to be the lamp to my
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feet because my emotions, they're like a yo-yo.
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They go all over the place. Thank God he doesn't.
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Right, Doug. And you know that one of the
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things about building a Christ built relationship with with our
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core group here, Doug, is that we have the opportunity to face
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those elephants in the room. You know, we've had some
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experiences together where, you know, my, my, my personality is
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that when I get in conflict and there's an elephant in the room,
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what do I do is I put my running shoes on and I run away.
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And that's been my habit in my life.
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I'm 62 years old now. It's been a great inhabiting me
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that whenever I'm facing conflict or I've been facing
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challenge, I put on those shoes and run away.
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But because I have spent the time with you and Brandon over
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the last almost year of my life getting to know you, getting to
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know what, what, what, how you, how you operate, how you think.
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It's the same way with building a relationship with God, Doug.
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I've maybe we make a commitment to each other to stay in that
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uncomfortable place. And sometimes it's uncomfortable
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when God does the hard work inside of us, right, Doug?
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Right. And the key is US working
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together in love, like a husband and a wife, a family.
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Love covers a multitude of sins. What does that mean?
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That means forgive, let it go. The relationship is the most
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important. Let's get past this.
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So I told you, Kev, if I even if I'm not wrong, if you're
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struggling with something I did and let's say it's justified,
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I'll apologize anyway to get you over that, to get you over that.
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It's not an obstacle in your life.
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And that's the greatest love. Is this for one person to lay
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down their life for another? That's what Jesus did, and he
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wasn't at fault. Talk about pure love.
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Exactly, Doug, what a great example of that is.
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And that's what we do here, guys at Men Helping Men, as we bring
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you to that place through our daily spiritual routine,
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bringing to the foot of the cross, getting that hard work
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done, not just cutting the grass off, like we said at the top,
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but going deep inside of us because a lot of us have these
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ingrained habits, the way we think, the way we behave.
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But we want to act and we want to behave in the fashion of a
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godly man of godly woman, going to the core root of those things
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here at Men Helping Men. And that's what we do.
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And we're so appreciated that we have this opportunity to share
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this on this radio show today with you.
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We're going to actually go out here in just a little bit, but
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we got another song coming in. Make sure you check out our Our
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Men Helping Men YouTube station where we have a bunch of amazing
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music. We had over 400 songs now out
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there. We've got some great events
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coming up here in the next 6 months here in Maui with the Men
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Helping Men Foundation. But again, Doug, a privilege it
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is to sit with you and Brandon to talk about our Lord and
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Savior every single Wednesday here.
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And by the way, we're thinking about up in the the schedule
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here and maybe joining you guys another two days a week here as
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well. Yeah, what a privilege it is,
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Kev, that we we have God's word. Yeah, as a guide, as a lamp to
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our feet and knowing how to establish and interpret his
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word. And that's why Christfield
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Christian Academy hopefully is is is along the lines of what's
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going to happen, what God is going to do to train the
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children when they we'll be back.
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All right, listen to this next song as we come in, guys.
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The 24/7 in my life chasing my own
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Welcome back to MEN Helping Men. Thank you for joining us this
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afternoon here on this Wednesday afternoon.
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Another great song. But you know the thing what I
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love about you, Doug, is everything you do is strategic.
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Why did we choose that song coming back in to put to the
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show here today, Doug? Yeah, everything I do when I'm
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sober is strategic talk to my wife.
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Alcohol ruined our lives. So I've been sober since March
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5th, 2022. So it's the drinking that
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stopped the hamster from running around the wheel in my head,
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overthinking things, worrying, letting that voice in my head
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just downed me and the things that I fell short of throughout
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my life, even if it's like 30 plus years ago.
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I brain comes back to my memory takes me down that dark Rd. like
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a lot of you know, and when I was the chaplain of M triple CI
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talk about that voice and the guy said, you hear my voice.
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We have our own voices. Unfortunately with God, he
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silences that. He heals the open wound that
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hurt shortcoming, she says. I forgive you.
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Come on, let's deal with that to come on.
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Absolutely, Doug, and I am a recipient of that myself, man.
32:35
So much has happened since we've been sitting together, Doug,
32:38
over the last year. I remember just, you know, that
32:41
voice in my head, I'm never going to be good enough.
32:43
I'm never going to be smart enough.
32:44
I'm never going to get this, you know, and just your
32:46
encouragement all the time, Doug, Stick with a Kev, watch
32:50
what God will do. You know, there's a call in your
32:51
life, Kev. You got to know that.
32:53
And you know, I embrace that. And I was willing to face those
32:57
difficult moments and those challenges and those inner
33:00
voices to have the Holy Spirit work and heal my heart, to
33:03
silence that voice in my head and in my heart.
33:07
And boy, I tell you what, so grateful.
33:10
So grateful, Doug. Yeah, Kevin, you did a great
33:13
job. And that's the thing where you
33:14
can see the change because it's internal.
33:17
When he's healing the hurt inside, things change straight
33:21
across the board in every category of your life because
33:25
you change. He's reprogramming us from the
33:29
heart. If I tried out of discipline
33:31
before, before knowing this, I tried to change in certain areas
33:35
and that's the only areas I can manage to change in.
33:39
That's if I'm having a good day, bomb me a couple times when I'm
33:42
coming home from work, I can't even, I can't even get AC in
33:46
those areas. And let alone the other areas of
33:49
life that I was only getting AC. They're down to the F now.
33:52
I mean, they're going to 'cause they're going to cause havoc.
33:56
So it's healing our hearts. So it's like, it's like a car.
33:59
Back in the day, we had carburetors.
34:02
It's overhauling your carburetor because your car's not running
34:04
right. When you overhaul their
34:05
carburetor changes all the gaskets.
34:07
Now the gas flows through it is perfect.
34:09
It runs perfectly, just like the engineer created it to run,
34:13
'cause our engineer, he says your heart is clogged, your
34:16
arteries are clogged, is narrowed, a lot of them.
34:19
Your heart is hard. You don't love when you're
34:21
supposed to love. You don't care when you're
34:23
supposed to care. Father, I can't, I get too much
34:26
hurt in my heart. I have to harden my heart so I
34:28
don't get hurt because once it's in me, I don't know how to get
34:31
out of it. I don't know how to get it out
34:33
of me. And like I said with like I was
34:36
telling you about my daughter when we had.
34:38
She loves her dogs. Yeah.
34:39
So the two dogs that the one of the boys died, I couldn't go in
34:43
there and they had to put them down.
34:45
Nothing we could do to save them.
34:46
I couldn't go in with her. My wife had to go in because I
34:50
couldn't visually see that happening and deal with it
34:54
properly because it would replay in my head.
34:56
Like I said, the over over dwelling on it again and again
35:01
and again, just taking me down the dark road.
35:03
And that's why I said I used to drink taking pain pills because
35:07
that would stop the thinking, stop the overthinking.
35:12
So that's the that's the point that that's the challenge that
35:15
people. Right, Doug?
35:16
Right, Doug, you know it's kind of come back full circle here
35:19
because we started off the top of the hour talking about the
35:21
three eyes, intellectual knowledge of God, intimate
35:26
knowledge of God and then now the third eye in that, in that
35:30
three eye process is to initiate, correct?
35:34
Correct, and the intimate part of God is spending time with Him
35:38
like we talked about. Even if we get AC in the world's
35:42
eyes, He grades us on us, sacrificing our time trying.
35:47
See Deuteronomy 1718 through 20, when the first king had to write
35:51
down the decrees in front of the Levitical priest and come to God
35:55
every day and read them. Why?
35:57
He's going to memorize. It's the point of connecting to
36:00
God every single day. And when the king did that or we
36:06
come to him every day, he will bless us.
36:09
Bless us, meaning He will reveal himself to us.
36:11
He will start to heal our hearts.
36:13
He will start to transform us little by little.
36:17
It's a process. It's like growing my kids.
36:20
My wife Lilia would come to me and say we got to take him to
36:23
the emergency room. Why their legs, Her legs are
36:26
sore. If it's Cherie, my oldest, my
36:29
oldest daughter, or Dougie, I said that's growing pains.
36:33
They can't. They can't do anything for them.
36:35
They got to go through the pain. They're going to.
36:37
They're growing. They're getting taller.
36:39
Right, exactly. And boy, I tell you, what have I
36:42
experienced the growth pains myself whereby revealing of my
36:47
selfishness, revealing the fact that, you know, I even walked
36:51
into this life, you know, being through the things I've been
36:54
through thinking, well, I've never hurt anybody.
36:55
What do you mean? I've heard.
36:57
Come on now. And I mean, really, I woke up to
36:59
that fact and realized, yeah, I've done a lot of hurting to a
37:02
lot of people. You know, fortunately, Doug, in
37:04
my life, you know, I didn't turn to drugs or alcohol, but I did
37:07
turn to other things that, you know, I smoked.
37:10
I've smoked weed like a house on fire for years and years and
37:13
years for 20 years of my life. I did other things in my life to
37:16
mask that pain. And when I've started going
37:20
intending and sitting with you guys at Christville, finding out
37:24
how to heal that heart, finding out the intimate relationship
37:28
that God wants to have with me, man, I dropped these habits that
37:31
I'd had. I tried for years and years and
37:33
years. How to drop these habits, Doug.
37:35
And you always tell me that's, that's, it's unexplainable that
37:38
therefore you know that that's God working in you, that's the
37:41
Holy Spirit convicting you. Because I never told you.
37:44
I just said, hey, Doug, you know what?
37:46
And I was, and I was convicted deeply when I would walk away,
37:50
go away from, you know, our gatherings and go back to my
37:52
house and sit in my own place and revert right back to my old
37:55
ways. But then the Holy Spirit
37:56
convicted me in one night so deeply, I was like, Nope,
37:59
immediately smucked. I mean, after 20 years of
38:02
smoking weed like a chimney, though one day gone, Doug.
38:06
But that was because the Holy Spirit revealed that place in my
38:09
heart and the hurt that I'd had in there.
38:12
And I was able to work through that with you coaching me along,
38:16
you know, by my personal trainer, the Holy Spirit, but
38:18
then also you, Doug, as my spiritual trainer, my coach,
38:22
telling me how Kebby, stick with this.
38:24
I guarantee it's going to work for you.
38:26
Yeah, Kevin and and I remember that and that's why you want me
38:30
to always make reggae songs. But that's true.
38:37
It's God can it's the coming to him where he feels that.
38:40
See, even with my drinking and when, when I first quitted March
38:44
5th, I, I almost had the inkling to go back when my, the, the
38:50
family was awake. Rocky was, was, was on vacation
38:54
with my parents and I was by myself.
38:56
It's like grab some beer, you know, And I almost did.
39:01
And I check with God. I said, why did I almost want to
39:05
grab beer again? Why was it so close?
39:07
He said, because you're praying for strength not to drink.
39:10
You're not getting to the root of the problem in your heart.
39:12
Why do you drink? I drink to Yeah.
39:16
To not overthink things and to feel peace and relaxation.
39:21
He said you should get that from me.
39:23
Pray for your heart to heal. Get to the root of the problem.
39:27
See, God solves the problem. He doesn't give you pain
39:32
medication. Bear aspirin to mask the pain so
39:36
you can cope with it. He cures the problem.
39:39
He pulls out that root that's causing me to need to drink,
39:43
causing me to need to pop pain pills or whatever your vice is
39:47
to. Cope exactly Doug.
39:49
So coming into that we have that third eye again initiation,
39:53
initiate. What does it mean to initiate,
39:56
Doug? What is it?
39:57
The third eye and that did not be equation?
39:59
So it's like a marriage. When I intellectually know how
40:03
my wife acts and reacts to certain things, how she is, how
40:08
she isn't in certain areas, I start to because I spend.
40:13
Daily time with her, quality time.
40:15
I start to develop that intimate relationship, that emotional
40:19
connection. I start to love her.
40:22
And then it's will you marry me? I do.
40:27
It's the choosing to say I understand what my my role is.
40:32
Testament means covenant or agreement.
40:35
When Jesus dies on the cross, Father, I know why he's dying
40:38
because I'm a Sinner. He's going to redeem me
40:41
primarily so I can build an intimate daily relationship with
40:44
you. I understand that
40:47
intellectually. I trust you intimately.
40:50
I know you love me. You love me when I didn't
40:52
deserve it. I deserve the lava rock to the
40:54
head. But you still had patience with
40:57
me. You still waited, you still
41:00
encourage me and you say go encourage others.
41:03
Love your wife on condition, love your family on condition.
41:07
I want to be a part of you, father.
41:09
I do. That's when you walk through the
41:11
gate and you initiate, you apply and it goes from I need to till
41:17
I get to I need to follow him till I get to follow him.
41:22
Wow. Exactly, Doug.
41:24
What a what a profound transformation and and and
41:28
shift, as it were in all of our lives.
41:30
What we realize we get to do this.
41:32
And you know, one really cool thing and I just have to say is
41:35
that when I started learning how how to accurately read God's
41:40
word and I and I reflected on this with you last week whereby
41:43
go and reading the Old Testament.
41:45
I used to think, Oh my gosh, why am I going to read this dry
41:49
books that like kind of like for me when I was back in high
41:51
school studying history. Why did I want to know about
41:54
that? Well, you know, the fact of the
41:55
matter is that when you understand how to accurately
41:59
read God's word, the Old Testament is talking about God's
42:02
character, what he likes. He doesn't like how he, how he
42:06
interacts with his people and that there begins to
42:10
intellectually, intimately and now the initiation of wanting to
42:15
know more about him. Because I see his character
42:18
throughout the Old Testament, how particular he is and how
42:21
detailed he is. You know, when you talk about
42:23
reading through the numbers and stuff, how the temples will
42:25
build, the measurements and all that stuff, it's because God is
42:28
a God of order. And it takes a way out of the
42:31
realm of traditional Churchianity and Christianese
42:35
whereby God no longer becomes Mystic anymore.
42:38
It now becomes a reality. This is the God that we serve,
42:42
God of order, a God of love. And when we, when we apply those
42:45
things to our life, that's when the roots start to grow deep,
42:48
deep, deep. We begin to heal our hearts so
42:51
we can actually get and want to love God every single day.
42:55
Yeah, Kevin, when you and we read that book, it takes more
42:58
faith to be an atheist because when you really dig into the
43:02
creation and you go into the cosmos, the if we're 1% closer
43:06
to the sun will burn up, 2% farther away, everything will
43:10
freeze up. So it's so perfectly
43:12
orchestrated. God didn't say he he's not a
43:17
Burger King God or you have it your way, It's precise.
43:20
This is the way you do it. So the song owned by God, we're
43:25
either a slave, Romans 6 chapter 6, we're either a slave to sin,
43:30
slave to Satan, or we're a slave to righteousness, slave to God.
43:35
Now in in the Old Testament, the Israelites when they had slaves,
43:39
the 7th year, they have to release them ordered by God.
43:43
But some slaves they they treated like family.
43:46
They don't want to leave. So God says you can't stay
43:50
willingly punch a hole in your ear on the door frame of your
43:53
homes and say, I willingly accept Kevin as my master and
43:59
I'll I'll continue to be a slave on my own free will.
44:04
That's salvation. That's the that's the initiate I
44:09
do. That's the marriage for better
44:12
or for worse, till death do us part no matter what.
44:16
Now it's not a feeling no matter what.
44:19
Even if I'm not getting return on my investment, my wife is
44:23
treating me bad. Let's say she's going through
44:25
some issues. My my goal and my role is to
44:29
love her Anyway. Why?
44:31
Why would I do that? How would I know how to do that?
44:33
Because that's how God loved me because of that.
44:37
Daily. Relationship start is admit your
44:41
sins. I fall short every day I don't.
44:45
I'm not as grateful as I should be.
44:47
I cannot love God the way he deserves me to love you.
44:51
And I fall short and it it hurts that I do and he still.
44:56
Loves me back. Anyway, I would have cut me from
44:58
the team. But he doesn't, he says.
45:01
You see how I love you when you don't deserve it.
45:04
Love your wife when she doesn't deserve it, Love others.
45:07
Love your enemy when he doesn't deserve it.
45:09
I'll set you free. Free to do what?
45:11
Free to party on? Drink it again?
45:14
No free to do his will. Now I'm I can love and not be
45:20
loved back. I can be nice and be rejected.
45:23
I can be patient behind the slow drivers on my way.
45:30
We know that all too well, don't we?
45:32
Out there listening? Yes, we do.
45:33
But you know, I love the fact that we say we get to Doug.
45:37
You know, by the way, this program is made possible by
45:41
Hawaiian Style tour and transportation, the company that
45:44
the family owns here. You know, one of the
45:46
introductions I say to my guests when I meet them as I am so
45:49
fortunate that I get to go do this.
45:52
We today I don't have to. And so just like when we wake up
45:56
to have her and start a new day that we are so fortunate, we get
46:00
to have a relationship with God because God is doing the deep
46:04
work in our hearts to uproot those things.
46:07
And and you know, we talk also, Doug, about the black dog, white
46:10
dog. What are you going to feed?
46:11
We're going to wake up in the morning field to feed the black
46:13
dog, which is our sin nature. Are we going to feed the white
46:15
dog, which is our godly character and how God wants to
46:18
work in US? And he's waiting.
46:21
I mean, he's there, right there waiting for us.
46:22
He's waiting for us to cry out, beg to him again.
46:25
And not mysticism, but knowing him through his word, getting to
46:28
understand his character, his nature and who he is.
46:31
And he's waiting for us, Doug, waiting for us every morning,
46:34
just like we would when our kids wake up in the morning to greet
46:37
us in the morning. Hey, welcome, son.
46:39
Good to see you. Good to see your daughter.
46:40
Yeah. Doug.
46:41
Yeah. Amen.
46:41
And if he loves? Us way, way more than we love
46:44
our own children. My all my children are older.
46:47
So it's like, yeah, I long to to spend time with them.
46:50
I look for. And unfortunately, we can live
46:53
about 10 minutes apart. We don't see each other.
46:56
We need events to happen, baseball, basketball, family
47:00
reunions or parties, which is sad.
47:03
See, that's not how the ancient Hawaiians did it.
47:06
They lived on a plot of land. They didn't have the technology
47:09
that we have today. They didn't have cars and
47:12
planes. They're not going to Vegas all
47:14
the time. You know, they actually sat
47:17
there and talked. Imagine if you didn't have
47:19
television, we had no cell phones and you just with
47:23
candlelight, you know what you're sitting around, you might
47:25
as well talk to each other because that's what that's what
47:27
was happening. Remember, we went to the
47:29
restaurant. We went to taste.
47:31
It was tasty cross, you know me, you and Brandy were sitting
47:33
there. We look at the family.
47:34
They're all looking at their phone.
47:36
They're sitting on the table, not talking to each other, all
47:39
on their phones. And that's where we we come to
47:42
today. That's why it's easier for a
47:44
camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich person to
47:48
enter the Kingdom of heaven. Because do I spend time reading
47:52
God's word, spend time with God, or do I watch American Idol or
47:57
do I watch so and so whatever show football or do I look on my
48:01
phone? Do I get distracted by by Satan
48:04
giving me my phone to Galavant on Amazon or wherever?
48:08
See, that's the challenge that we have as Americans today.
48:12
Exactly, Doug, you know. And just to reflecting on it, on
48:15
a little personal experience that I had just last weekend
48:18
where we went to the baseball tournament for Dax and for the
48:22
fam and I brought me to tears because, you know, your
48:25
grandkids, you know, Papa Doug, Papa Doug, Papa Doug, you know,
48:30
I just looked at that and I thought, man, what a gift, what
48:33
a blessing. And that's what God is like for
48:36
us. He's like, you know, God, we get
48:38
to Godfather God, we get to spend time with you today.
48:41
Thank. But again, we're not wired to do
48:43
it that way, right, Doug? Now God doesn't wire us to
48:46
actually do that. We have to actually have our
48:48
hearts healed in order to come to that place in our
48:51
relationship with him. And that's what we do at Christ
48:53
Built is we find that way of how do we get to have that daily
48:57
intimate relationship with him? Right, right.
49:00
And and. That's how we learn, Kev.
49:02
It's, it's knowing what standard he has, what is right.
49:07
How do I want my grandkids to? When I say I love you, they say
49:12
I know not. I have to tell them so they
49:15
know. I want to show them so they
49:18
know. So I ask God, when I'm spending
49:21
time, how do I show love? You go to the games and you
49:25
support them, and when you see them, you react to them like
49:29
they're the most important person in the world.
49:32
And I learned that from Cheers When Norm.
49:36
Walks into the bar norm. Like I'm going to take that and
49:39
I'm going to apply exactly. That's how I'm greeted every.
49:45
Morning. Come on.
49:46
Oh, right. Yeah, exactly, guys.
49:48
What it you know, I have to say, Doug, you know, as we've gone
49:52
here and now we're in our 28th episode here at Men Helping Men
49:55
and I just such a privilege to share our faith, how God works
50:01
in our life and what God's doing in our in our core group here.
50:05
And you know, again, just reflecting, Doug, just, you
50:10
know, all my church experience coming up to this point where I
50:13
walked away from God for a long time because I was sick of that
50:16
Mystic idea. Just say the prayer, clock your
50:19
heels together, You know, coming back to a full circle, how we
50:22
have this intellectual knowledge of God.
50:25
We have this intimate knowledge of God, and then we get to
50:28
initiate our relationship with him.
50:30
And what a privilege it is to sit with you guys every
50:33
Wednesday, a blessing to gather every morning because you know
50:38
you're hot for God, Doug, you're going to be either hot or cold,
50:41
right? Doug, you're going to, it's,
50:42
it's no in between. And so I have to tell you what
50:45
this pastor Doug that we, that we sit with, boy, I tell you
50:47
he's hot for God. I'm going to tell you what
50:51
privilege it is to sit with you every single week, every day,
50:54
seven days a week, we do it. You know that in my, my, my, my
50:58
relationships, you only need a break once in a while.
51:01
Doug's like, oh, yeah, you need a break from God.
51:02
Really. Really.
51:03
Why do you want? Why do you need a break from
51:04
God? He's waiting for you.
51:06
He's waiting for you to show up. And that's what we do at Christ,
51:09
built as we seek him with all of our hearts every week, every
51:13
day. Yeah.
51:14
And I would tell you can't remember.
51:15
It's like, yeah, just. I'm exasperated.
51:17
I can't do it. I'm too tired.
51:19
I said if I gave you $1000, what could you do it?
51:21
OK, I'll do it. Exactly.
51:23
Or if you're or if the girl said, hey, let's go read
51:25
together. He said OK, so he's checking our
51:28
hearts. We making excuses, you know, and
51:31
that's the thing when we find out he's the answer, he's the,
51:34
he's that, that person that fills that void in our hearts.
51:38
Ecclesiastes 311 that we search for, you see Hollywood searching
51:42
for they got everything, fame, fortune, you know, prestige and
51:47
they, how many divorces, how many people they, they, they
51:51
interact with, they got how many wives, how many husbands.
51:54
The money doesn't bring you to happiness.
51:56
Fame doesn't bring you to the Holy Spirit in your heart and a
52:00
relationship with God first. We'll bring happiness and we'll
52:04
bring meaningful relationships with everybody else down the
52:09
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