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Nic Scourton TEARS his ACL first day of Panthers training camp · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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[SPEAKER_05]: day one of Panther's training camp opened up with some pretty devastating news, but not all hope is lost as there's some up in commerce that may give us a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And the Carolina Panthers have unveiled the designs for the stadium upgrade you're listening to a special addition training camp edition of the C3 Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, wow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: C3 Panthers podcast training camp special opening day for the Carolina Panthers opens with some pretty horrific news and excort and torn ACL up and come and play or people are very excited about how he would be performing a massage in Phillips.
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[SPEAKER_05]: besides Philips this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And now how the path is going to fill that void, but in good news, Jonathan Brooks, looking very good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're very excited about him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Full, first time he's had a training camp practice, I think, or first day of training camp, and the stadium reveal.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Can they get some grass?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So see three pay the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Tony Dunn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my Will Man Cody like how you doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can there get some grass?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This sounds like being in college, Tony Dunn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look here, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were pumped about training camp starting today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were already getting some good news on, you know, deep passes from, uh, rising on to a Christian Brasal, Jonathan Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Looking like he's a man on a mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Devon Lloyd quote unquote looking like a minus out there on the football field, but we know why everyone's here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Scorton tore his edcl on the first day out for the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's a tough blow, but Tony, this felt like a perfect opportunity for the C3 crew to get together
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[SPEAKER_00]: Panther Gow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got Seedog and the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My goal was electric.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got big out in the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Panther Gow, Kristen by the Jimmy Roosa Sean Kula, Tony Dunn.
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[SPEAKER_05]: CK, good to see you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It feels like two days ago.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why you would say that it's been, it's been at least two days always.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's been a little less than two years or two days.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's, we had this conversation Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We needed, we needed Scorton to be the guy this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We needed him to be the one that was opposite.
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[SPEAKER_04]: of Jalen Phillips.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And here we are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're dealing with a thing that I think every single one of us was thinking was going to be the piece that we needed to go our way and it just the first day of training camp.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It puts a sour face in your mouth, but I'll tell you what.
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[SPEAKER_04]: we've had these happen before where a guy goes down and creases and or in the training camp.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we think all is lost in some of our best seasons have come on the hills of something like this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm hoping that number one, I'm hoping that he's able to recover quickly and he can come back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, year three maybe can be his year, but
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, in the meantime, I'm hoping that this motivates this team and they're like, listen, we've got to, we all got to step up now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just one person that we can rely on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I think the upside and we're going to probably talk about this is that we have other pieces on this team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is going to give us an opportunity to let Prince Lee actually get some playing time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and some of the people in the chat have pointed out there are some free agents still out there that you can start, you know, trying to bring in to the into the team.
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[SPEAKER_05]: way to cave gets in here talking about today, me and climbing right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already patting that drum.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you also on my face when I misspoke and said Jaden Phillips, Jalen Phillips is the player that we were hoping was going to give Nick Scorton a reprieve.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And maybe he can start cooking in season two.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He saw flashes of it, but really tough, very sad for him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: uh... right out the gate day one devastating injury here cody lack tickets in to the show what we got i guess there's nothing else to start with with the biggest news one of the biggest players and my lucky number eleven my my number eleven the jersey that i'm ready that that that i want that wait until they you don't have to special order it give me my next court number eleven jersey suffered a devastating the injury today
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So today was the first day of practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in that first day, Panthers, 2020, five second round pit, Nick Scorden went down and practice with the knee injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was carded off the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked visibly distressed and it has been confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He suffered a torn ACL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: sources told in rapper port via camera and wolf who did a great job reporting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now next Gordon will seek a second opinion if the ACL is confirmed and if it is confirmed he'll have a surgery in the coming weeks and boy this is just brutal man like we had so many high expectations
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[SPEAKER_00]: into opening intro Tony, when you go out and sign the jail and fill up and you have direct brown, then you bring a lady hunter in the draft, you're hoping that next Gordon who really looked good, and it's first year with the Carolina Panthers, that he would be able to come in and capitalize on all this talent around him and now just the fact that it's over before it even begins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's just a gut punch man and it feels like every year we're having to deal with some kind of news that looks and sounds just like this um it sucks man it's terrible um now I do want to put something to rest though I've seen a bunch of people in the chat room already blaming the turf
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blaming the turf saying that, you know, hey, we have to get this turf out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's injuring our players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this took place on the practice fields today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the practice fields outside are actually grass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the indoor facility isn't did made of turf, but there was no turf that can be blamed for next court and injury that happened to him today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes you just blame football.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they're not playing high contact in some right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My question is and I think that this is the question that we all need to ask ourselves is what does this mean for our defense is this just an opportunity for
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, also Patrick Jones is a name to be forget about all the time on this roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did some good things last year, but I think we're looking for him to have a bigger impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as you mentioned to should we go out and sign someone, what impact does this have on the Panthers front seven going into 2020-26 and what should we do about it if anything at all?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Overall, just awful news, I mean, it certainly will have an impact on the Carolina Panther's defense and what the ceiling for that defense could have been, you know, is in, and you wanted to see something like you said, Jalen Phillips come again, you know, you've brought in two free agents in Devon Lloyd and Jalen Phillips, and securing that center, Derek Brown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and I'll put pro player right there and creating the circumstances for a young player to break out to find a way to go from a name that certain Panther fans know to a name that is talked about across the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It happens all the time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Second, third year players.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and second or third round drafts, but it really requires the good circumstances a lot of times.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, this hardening for the Carolina Panthers and their plan of what was coming up, devastating to the Carolina Panthers, but maybe not destructive or destroying entirely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He brought up Prince Lee, Umenulin, and I think the interesting thing for this is that
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[SPEAKER_05]: the way the defense was trending and projected or it looked like and if if sport really was playing like what a lot of Panther fans were forecasting could happen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you start to wonder, is how does Prince Lee Ummilin but get reps?
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[SPEAKER_05]: How does how do they find a way?
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[SPEAKER_05]: to work him in effectively.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the opportunity is here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They drafted him rather high.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Third round, there's a lot of excitement around him as a player, just like there was for Scorton, but I felt like that cooled a bit because, you know, I mean, obviously didn't play as much as some of the other players, and then Scorton kind of had that back end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, flashes that made, personally, human, Neil and his name less exciting to many players, but an opportunity for him, I don't know necessarily if the Panther should aggressively pursue somebody, but potentially look towards getting these younger players as many reps as they can in training camp, getting them as prepared as much, and then looking towards
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[SPEAKER_05]: late training camp post training camp cuts or you don't need to sign today via cloudy right now and get him on there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You could almost make a handshake deal and say look we just want we don't want you to do training camp.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I supply because you are a mercenary and you come in you can come in on a diamond you've been here before.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, one of the things that I'll turn it over to CK is so much of the NFL in the success is not just about the talent but health.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you look at certain years that the Carolina Panthers have had tremendous success and their defensive and offensive lines remain relatively healthy throughout the season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And last, I guess, good boy or in good news, this happened at the first of training camp, rather than week three, and this will give, I think, Nick's going an entire year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So one year from now, he can come back and hopefully be ready for training camp next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see, can't have your film.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's one of those things that if it's going
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[SPEAKER_04]: idea of it happening week one is even more problematic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to run into a situation like we did with Jonathan Brooks where we're almost feeling like we need to force them back sooner than they need to be back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that again, I mean, there's a lot of things that can happen in a year, but I don't think that this is a it's a blow don't don't give me wrong it is a blow we're not going to snow, but he's going to try to pretend like we're not completely boochered by this news right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we also know that there is potential of some of these guys we have behind him to fill that spot and for them to have somebody else come in and maybe fill into that role as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The addition of Devon Lloyd and Jalen Phillips makes this less painful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: doesn't make it not painful, but it makes this more bearable than it would be otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cody and I were talking about, I'm not even going to say what we're talking about before the show started.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a very sad situation for a guy who was looking to be a breakout player this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we can all keep him in our thoughts and prayers as he's trying to figure out how to deal with something that's got to be so incredibly difficult to put the work in in this offseason to be ready for this year and to have day one be the this be the outcome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: anything other than just devastating, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think moments like this can call the team to come together.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And and maybe realize that, you know, it can happen to any one of us and we all need to step up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We all need to be able to fill in that role.
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[SPEAKER_05]: four is overall career though happening at the beginning of training camp in year two is far better than this happening at the end towards that latter part of year two in the season or think of what came a corner was going through and how the timing almost makes it a two-year injury with you can make this potentially a one-year injury without rushing that's the hope right there
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody like oh yeah well this I want to say this too do you guys might disagree with me but I kind of think that we do need to sign someone you know I know the names are on the top of everyone's head is to debut in Clowny but boys just the names of the guys that are on the roster and outside linebacker right now we have Jalen Phillips Pat Jones
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[SPEAKER_00]: like that's not a lot of depth at that position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You really do need someone to be able to step in and it pinch and actually make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you would be depending a lot on, you know, Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of underwhelming last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, that also you way that into this equation, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also had his injuries boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put forth the name other than today beyond clowning who would absolutely tickle me pink if we went out and bought back to the Panthers and that is a son, Reddick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, listen, if we were able to bring back a son, rhetoric, he had 10 plus sex in the season in two seasons for the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a nightmare on the edge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know people say that is a Deva and all the Southern crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: dude, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sign them to a one year deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's get after the fucking quarterback man, especially after we were so low on sex and pressures last year between him and Jalen Phillips, that could literally be the shot in the arm that the front seven dudes to take that next step.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is the kind of defense he would thrive into, I think.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, absolutely agree or hardly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think this would be a fantastic move.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's still very much young enough to be a guy that you want to have on this team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's also old enough to be able to bring something to this team from a leadership perspective.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I am not going to be mad at us having a group of vets on this defensive line to be able to lead this team this defense into the into the
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think Rish has on redic, I didn't even think about that dude.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You brought him up immediate excitement for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's here with this team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's familiar with the fan base.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I think he's still even though he probably had a bone to pick with the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he has a bone to pick with the box.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because he was not given as much of an opportunity to do what he needed to do last year for them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: While I think Bucks fans would probably argue that he didn't perform well himself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he probably also has something to say about his position or his usage and that environment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think we can play the comeback home, come back where you belong, and let's take over the
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's an exciting name and the type of player.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you guys think is, look, a fond Miller's up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's never something crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a shout out to Panthers, Angles, Edgar, Salomon, Go Jr., he put out some more free engine, Ed rushers, I'm just still available for the Panthers should Carolina be interested in, like there are some real names on this list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vaughn Miller, Derek Barnett, Leonard Floyd, Brandon Graham, your turn gross model says the name that I learned a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dylan Farrell and manual Iowa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would really love live ball on this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are some moves that we can make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he has saw on Reddit because number one on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but there's a bunch of guys on this list who, if we were to sign, it would make me feel much more comfortable that we have a consistent past rush going into the season, whereas right now I'm not sure that this depth really does give me pause.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I think, I mean, I do think when you put it in that light is what happens to, if one of these guys goes down or isn't stepping up to the plate, I mean, you can't just come in there and get paper, paper thin at this point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I like, gosh, how exciting would be the ha-ha-ha-s on Reddit to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like, there can't be somebody more exciting on that list to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know that because I think of a guy that that is what you want.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You want to player.
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[SPEAKER_05]: who is done, he is one, he's a past wrestling specialist.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't need you covering and this and that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We need past rush right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let the big boy, like, let the other guys deal with the coverage.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We've got two great corners.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We've got a new middle line backer work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Excited about some of these players in the secondary.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We have to, as CK has just been saying, I think for two years,
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[SPEAKER_05]: get after the quarterback and this guy if he can do anything is get after the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it would definitely be a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I think I think there's a lot of exciting names on that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One of the things that, you know, the the chat time as principally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Man, I
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Prince Lee has a shot at doing that, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I am a big fan of a dude who has a bone to pick, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want that dude to be it, and I do want him to be able, because I mean, he seems like the guy that's gonna be
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[SPEAKER_04]: energy galore and he's going to give it to you and you're going to see it publicly, you're going to see it in on stream, whatever it may be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So one, I do want principally to be the guy, but I'm telling you some of those names on that list.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It'd be hard to pass up on if you had one of the things that I think I saw in somebody's time out on Twitter, maybe it was a just when looking at the messages before getting on the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think there was might have had a comment that had been made or maybe it was a reporter that had talked about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Panthers very well may not add any position and then wait till they, um,
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[SPEAKER_04]: The waiver wire and see where we're at and then maybe go try to get a one of these guys on this edge list for a cheaper price once that maybe you're trying to avoid training camp.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I could see them doing that, but I also don't know how I would feel if that because they go that route tells me what you think about princely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What about the, I mean, I didn't even know this div on Miller have the quietest nine snacks last year with the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, like, good Lord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, by the way, also, also, he's like 36 or 36.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's older.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's old as can be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's just I was surprised.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was last 30 was in Buffalo.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought wasn't Buffalo.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He went to his Buffalo the year before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Buffalo the year before and then he's, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: there are always they're talking about him going back to the uh... didn't for the and couple things talked about him going back over there i think they do i'm sure i was i'm shocked he hasn't just retired i mean he did it but he needed to do he doesn't need to prove anything yeah um... do you guys want to hear a day of canalice on next court and or uh... yeah that's uh... that's not a day of real quick uh... apologies if it's low this is not on my end
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[SPEAKER_07]: foster kind of come off the field after a drill to go see him.
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[SPEAKER_07]: What does that say about how type of rock norm is, but also the magnitude of this injury to do for this team?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and they care about each other.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is, whenever you're in a group of people, do something hard together, as a way of creating a special bond and, you know, between all the workouts and going through a full season, and off season, and all that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, the first thought in guys minds isn't, you know, are we going to have Nick for the season, it's how it's Nick, you know, and guys are checking our hands up again as we have more information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just a god punch man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you again like this is one of those situations where you have to remind yourself like, yeah, these guys were people like this is a young guy, I mean, Tony, you see, okay, remember the energy when he was drafted all the draft hats of the other teams on the table in the front of them, and this is not some all down like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude is a panther like this guy's one of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was our sack later from last season and man he was you know we all felt I mean literally just two days ago we were talking about how Nick Scorden was on a short list of players not even just Panthers but a player in general that was looking to have a breakout season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just feel terrible for the guy, man, like to, I mean, it's a little the first day of training camp and everything is over for them this year before it even begins and you know you have a whole another year before you didn't get an opportunity to get back at this, it just, it must be a different level of punch that I don't know you really can even relate to unless you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a professional football player that's been in this circumstance before.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, even as even for fans that are incredibly in tune all the time for years and years, or us on the podcast, who have been covering the, or following this team closely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: now for 14 years is that you, and I told you this a couple of weeks ago, somebody was getting on me in the chat or in the comments of YouTube, and being pessimistic and not being optimistic and being Debbie Downer.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it was really tempered optimism.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just about tempered optimism of like what is like, I want to let it come to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: in a sense is like, I mean, I walked into the 2015 season excited.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The Carolina Panthers had won two division championships, but I didn't necessarily go out there and go there and go on 15 when I want to let that come to me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But here is even for this is like it shows you.
25:04
[SPEAKER_05]: is like, man, we're back to football and back to football means real shit is happening.
25:08
[SPEAKER_05]: And real bad shit happened today.
25:10
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm really not expecting this.
25:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, when I opened, we talked today earlier today, Cody, and I was like, hey, check the lot, the line, just see what's going on to see if anything happens in training camp day one.
25:23
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about it later today.
25:25
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I opened it up and I was like, oh my god, this is not what I expected or wanted to see, but here where are the questions you brought this up is just like two days ago.
25:37
[SPEAKER_05]: We did not have questions about these types of questions new questions have opened up about the Carolina Panthers defense, how they're going to deal with this injury.
25:45
[SPEAKER_05]: But two days ago, we had questions in within two days.
25:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Those questions have been answered.
25:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Big news just came out.
25:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess it was yesterday, right after I felt like I basically witnessed sleep.
25:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it would have been yesterday morning.
26:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Damn Morgan.
26:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I only came out and said, hey, Monroe Freeland, he's starting at right tackle.
26:07
[SPEAKER_05]: That's our plan.
26:08
[SPEAKER_05]: We were saying hey, it could happen is are they going to ease a man or are they going to see if one of these.
26:14
[SPEAKER_05]: No, they were investing first round pick first grade material.
26:18
[SPEAKER_05]: They're ready to go when it comes to right tackle Monroe Freel and let's hear damn Morgan.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You know coach can also talk to you tomorrow, just kind of lay that groundwork a little bit.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Monroe is going to be at right tackle.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to leave Rashida left tackle.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have strong force I've, which is reciting Brady Christians who can play close nights.
26:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we got some meat.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: undraft the brookies that were excited about.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we'll be covered there.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We feel good about it, you know, I know T-Mobile definitely support, you know, Monroe, they're a right tackle, I'm teaching all you know, so yeah, we feel we feel a bit of a sense of man how.
27:00
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's not either round that Monroe Freeland was going to be starting at right tackle at some point, even at day week one, but really a clear directive right here, Cody, no questions being answered right here.
27:14
[SPEAKER_05]: And Monroe Freeland said, give me a couple of practices, let my hips get opened up the other way, and I'll be good to go it's just football.
27:22
[SPEAKER_04]: What do we think?
27:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, is do we think that
27:27
[SPEAKER_04]: the idea of just saying straight out that he's going to be the guy, do we like this?
27:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Or do we think that this is a bid?
27:34
[SPEAKER_04]: A bit of a...
27:37
[SPEAKER_04]: just maybe getting out ahead of their skis.
27:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
27:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm all for it.
27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Real quick, let's play Monroe Freeling, reacting to the news.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it gets lost on you just how big 6 foot 7 is.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at this dude!
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: like this is an avatar like this dude is a massive human being uh uh that was just my first initial reaction looking at him but uh this is my real feeling basically reacting to that news yeah i think it's just you know for me this is possibly might take a few practices wherever this is good flexible who's plugged in an ankle flexibility hit flexibility you know that everything is just helpful so i'm gonna go to the
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't seem bothered even in the slightest and Tony, I said this Tuesday.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the same career trajectory that Jordan Gross was on.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He had to start a right tackle and there have been other players that have had to do this very thing.
28:50
[SPEAKER_00]: they put him at right tackle and he held it down on that side.
28:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's moved over at left tackle, Tristan Worf's for the Tampa Bay Buckeye News has done it.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Players have done it now, and I know you bought up the old adage that gets thrown around.
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like wiping with your non-dominant hand.
29:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that maybe that was true once upon a time.
29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like due to the current nature of the NFL, some of these younger guys are coming in and this more open to the fact that they might be asked to play the opposite side of the field than the one that they traditionally played in college.
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes to Monroe, they know the fact that they went out and just said that he is the right tackle.
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't going to find opportunities from Monroe Freeling to get on the field this year.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what circumstance, it was the 19th overall pick.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it came at the expense of Taylor Moton, one of our most dependable offensive lineman, but this is the opportunity that arose for them to prepare him for a new
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: for an offensive line.
30:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I tell you the that adage that we talked about of white people like with the other hand at the same time while that may be true, there are a lot of players that have don't have the luxury of choosing which hand, but they are swing tackles, they are all, they are multi tool and the sad part is, is a lot of those players weren't drafted high or thought of highly among their, their, I guess by the team or management and they're easily thrown a stray, I mean, you think of.
30:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, Brady Christianson has played every damn position.
30:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
30:52
[SPEAKER_05]: So you do expect his here as you would hate to see the best player waste away on the bench because you are scared that or for some reason you don't want to tank him from backing up the other way.
31:06
[SPEAKER_05]: or like go and kick step and write.
31:08
[SPEAKER_05]: You've brought up examples of players who have moved from right tackle to left.
31:13
[SPEAKER_05]: There are examples of people that were drafted right tackle that have moved drafted left tackle and have needed to move to the right tackle and ended up playing better or have been moved.
31:24
[SPEAKER_05]: So, look, movement is by default is not the worst thing.
31:28
[SPEAKER_05]: I, CKUS, is this premature?
31:31
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna say no.
31:32
[SPEAKER_05]: What I think is this is that
31:35
[SPEAKER_05]: What right now is you get him the most time in the most reps to get used to play in this position before the game starts.
31:45
[SPEAKER_05]: You know that Walker, they were projected to start him at left tackle, or at least there would be a battle and maybe they would work one row freely in.
31:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't see an argument in a world where you're going to go into the season and say, you know, we just don't like this.
32:02
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to put stone foresight at the right tackle who gave up the most tax in the whole league last year.
32:10
[SPEAKER_05]: I think he was playing left tackle.
32:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure if he was playing left tackle or right tackle, but still, who was he playing for?
32:16
[SPEAKER_07]: played for the Raiders.
32:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but he had like the word he was like the worst offensive line in the damn lead.
32:23
[SPEAKER_05]: But the thing is is like, go ahead, let this man get as acclimated as he can, it will not ruin him.
32:30
[SPEAKER_05]: If anything, it will give him just game time experience of huddles, play calling, this and that, then when you do move him to the left side,
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, uh, did you want to go with the thing?
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't want to interrupt it.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, again, to me, versatility in today's NFL, it matters.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Tony, I know that this conversation brought up a couple of years back when I say a Simmons was drafted.
33:05
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, on the Panthers roster, but, you know, there are these kind of
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack of all trades master of non-type player positions and once upon a time that was at hindrance because you end playing all these different kinds of positions you didn't really get a chance to master one of them.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But
33:25
[SPEAKER_00]: as I said earlier, like the opportunity now for players to basically get in where they fit in arises so much that it really does prove these players to become, you know, a depth at other positions that they would be asked to play, you know, especially like if you're team all the sudden drafts,
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: a let's say the draft of left hand and quarterback.
33:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But now the right tackle becomes the blind side.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's not relevant to the Panthers, but just speaking in general, I do think these players are going to come in with more of an ability to do more than one position on the offensive line.
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if you're a left guard in college, you should be prepared to play the center if it's as tough and right guard and just similar, similar type of type of ways like that.
34:17
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the offensive line as far is probably that's the one where you can do it the most.
34:24
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I mean, offensive line you can do with the most, you know, on the defensive line is a different is harder because of your body type to dictate so much of the position group, but I still maintain like, I mean, I don't want a corner that's, I mean, I want a corner, I don't want a wide receiver that's a tight in and a tight in that can be a wide receiver, but can't just do one of them great, I mean, and you're right, versatility does help.
34:47
[SPEAKER_05]: So, um,
34:49
[SPEAKER_05]: What actually one of the things is is with this devastating news.
34:52
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess next up.
34:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm hoping next up.
34:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's not favorite story one that I have never ever strayed from is a star potentially in the making.
35:04
[SPEAKER_05]: If and when he puts it when he stays healthy will be the man watch out for number 25 John of the Brooks.
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: is a baby, look man, Jonathan Brooks.
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a Cameron wolf.
35:22
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great follow on Twitter.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been following the pantos.
35:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He's putting out great content.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It says Jonathan Brooks moves different with no breathes.
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And Coach Dave can now just says he looks like the guy I remember.
35:37
[SPEAKER_05]: And this has been because that's so silly, by the way, because I'm coach can now as barely even
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you know, again, the injuries have sort of put him below everyone else, but if you remember that this guy was drafted, it was the first run about drafted in 2000 and what was it?
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: 23, double drafted or not?
35:59
[SPEAKER_05]: This is our year.
36:00
[SPEAKER_05]: So we've had the 206 to 25 to 24 draft.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this one, and this guy would have been one of the better running backs in last year's draft as well.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He is moving different.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He's moving fast.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, again, I had to just bring up old stuff.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at what Rico doubtal was able to do last year, like imagine what a Jonathan, a healthy Jonathan Brooks could do behind a dominant run blocking offensive line.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, we desperately desperately need a breakout in this backfield.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm still a fan of Tuba Hubbard.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a bunch of fans of kind of sourd on him.
36:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't looked great.
36:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like he was sort of missing that home run punch.
36:52
[SPEAKER_00]: that may be had to go back a little more and yeah at the end of the season sure but if Jonathan Brooks can come out and be a game changer for the Panthers and it just could be a different to make her on our offense.
37:05
[SPEAKER_05]: As he can't think there's a sound that is an opportunity healthy fully healthy all season.
37:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Jonathan Brooks is started by the end.
37:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think so too.
37:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I heard a stat that really kind of blew my mind.
37:21
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's probably is it please don't say it's like 18 yards.
37:25
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, it's not that bad 35 39.
37:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
37:27
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know.
37:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you're if you're the bell cow back, like he had been a few years and you don't have a 60 order like I know we can blame some of that on scheme or offensive line or something along those lines, but like it seems as though that we don't have the explosive
37:51
[SPEAKER_04]: running back that we need to be able to kickstart a nice offensive, you know, offensive, you know, resurgence.
38:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And like Cody said, I mean, I'm a fan of Chuba, like I want him to be a guy that stays on this team, but we need Jonathan Brooks to be that guy because we drafted him in the round that we did in the second round when he was going to be going first, had it not had
38:20
[SPEAKER_04]: probably in the top 10 from what people are talking about, how can he, he's on Robinson numbers.
38:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, college.
38:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So we have to keep that in mind.
38:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Now it's never going to be able to be removed from our brains that he's suffered from the ACL tears two years.
38:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And all right, like that's never going to go away.
38:38
[SPEAKER_04]: That's always going to be that fear.
38:40
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm telling you, like if that dude can be the expletive, he can be the deangelo Williams to this team that we haven't had in, you know, since Christian
38:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And man, I want that dude to I want him to show up and show out because I'm telling you what I watch beach on Robinson and that takes that brings a different level of competitiveness to your offense when you have a guy like that.
39:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Tony, they weren't giving him first team reps today.
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know if they were, I don't know if they were.
39:07
[SPEAKER_05]: You should.
39:08
[SPEAKER_05]: You should.
39:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because not, if a Tuba Hubbard's been there.
39:10
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not a referendum on Tuba Hubbard.
39:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
39:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that look?
39:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Is this guy give him time to learn, learn, learn.
39:17
[SPEAKER_05]: He is Jonathan Brooks's six foot tall 216 pounds.
39:22
[SPEAKER_05]: He's listed on, that was like a comment.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He's taller than that.
39:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
39:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I thought it was like 6162 or something.
39:30
[SPEAKER_05]: But you know what, is that's, I mean, you don't want to be two, I mean, I don't know, is that's a good height.
39:34
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not too small.
39:36
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a big dude.
39:37
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, I mean, if you have a two 15 that type of He, he's like a guy that's not undersized, but a guy that's not so like he could
39:48
[SPEAKER_05]: he can be in all around back.
39:51
[SPEAKER_05]: He can be catching out of the back field.
39:52
[SPEAKER_05]: He can run between the tackles.
39:53
[SPEAKER_05]: He can break it outside.
39:54
[SPEAKER_05]: He can bust big ones.
39:55
[SPEAKER_05]: He can muscle through, but he's got to be healthy.
39:58
[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm telling you, you could just look at him and he just looks different.
40:03
[SPEAKER_05]: That first, I mean, he made big plays in his first game back.
40:08
[SPEAKER_05]: and then he got hurt what two games later something like that a game later but gosh man is your right is and i think this is look is let them let them ease into it you know is it's you need a tube a hover you need a tube a hover said then you can bring him in and let him become a star rather than say we need you to be a star now or it's all over
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just excited about his potential to come back healthy.
40:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe he'll be the example for Nick Scorton.
40:36
[SPEAKER_00]: If he comes back and has a great year, you know, Nick Scorton can look over Jonathan Brooks did or has done as, you know, I think it's the sample to look to after, um,
40:48
[SPEAKER_00]: missing a year, but Tony some more news that we wanted to continue to bring out just because we're talking stuff that happened today.
40:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Another first day breakout player, if we talked about bad news in the lineback of room with Nick Scordon
41:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Devin Lloyd has been as advertised.
41:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They're saying he is a menace out there on the field.
41:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He says you feel and hear Devin Lloyd.
41:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He's shut down to running back flat passes early.
41:25
[SPEAKER_00]: they say he is everywhere out there on that football field.
41:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's early, but we're hoping that this is the presence that we have been missing in this defensive center field that the painters have not had wearing the green dot for a long time now.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, this is the guide.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what
41:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, we were very excited about him.
41:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I talked about this on the podcast week to go is what, when I looked at looking, I'm not a football, I'm an expert football fan, not a football expert.
42:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I test for me as a big deal.
42:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't see a guy when I was on tape that looked like he was insanely,
42:12
[SPEAKER_05]: the best, like his athletic ability alone was the reason he was succeeding.
42:16
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he looks like a good athlete, right?
42:18
[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't look, but when you can be the most athletic dude in the room, but if you're not mentally playing fast, right, if you weren't like that, that athletic ability is you're playing catch-up and what I did see with Devon Lloyd, is it always felt like he was in the right place?
42:37
[SPEAKER_05]: is like he had all these interceptions.
42:39
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like it wasn't that he was making some, it's insanely athletic play, but he was in places anticipating.
42:46
[SPEAKER_05]: You talk about, and these break and look, it's to run it back to the flat, but you're you're playing with intent.
42:56
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that so I saw that and then we get them and then what I tell you this is his demeanor on the mic, his confidence, his is like he's he's just his presence is like it's just so there he's got this it factor that is not bombastic but he commands this kind of respect he commands the room and I tell you if you can get a guy like that who is
43:23
[SPEAKER_05]: it's synergistic for the defense.
43:26
[SPEAKER_05]: That's going to allow J.C. Horn potentially to play free and be the player he could be.
43:31
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to allow younger players to play with more confidence.
43:35
[SPEAKER_05]: And I tell you, if you start putting
43:38
[SPEAKER_05]: downhill momentum up the middle when it comes to Derek Brown Bobby Brown the third who was out there but is not a practice in just yet Jalen Phillips boy I bet you Devon Lloyd can play as fast as you can imagine and he can react that's when Luke deeply played his best I mean Luke he always played great but he looked insane when he was playing behind star at KK because he could just
44:04
[SPEAKER_05]: be in exist and not have to worry about guards and any of this.
44:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Devon Lloyd could be.
44:11
[SPEAKER_05]: It's him and Philips together could change the whole.
44:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Feel and vibe to where you get that heavy hitting.
44:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Mean anticipatory defense that we so long in Miss and Carolina.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, man, what if we have the answer to our
44:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Man, that's what you looked for when you signed him, right?
44:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this is the guy, I mean, I don't think anybody was touting him as a top three linebacker on the league by any stretch.
44:51
[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, he was considered pretty high up there on the quality of linebackers available, right?
44:56
[SPEAKER_04]: He was number one linebacker.
44:57
[SPEAKER_05]: Number one free agent, linebacker, and he was a top 10 overall.
45:02
[SPEAKER_05]: We had two of the top, actually top five, I believe, free agent values.
45:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
45:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that getting both of those guys is massive.
45:13
[SPEAKER_04]: But I, again, and I think we were talking about it during the free agency period.
45:18
[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that
45:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, Jalen Phillips took a lot of the attention, right?
45:23
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think a lot of us were actually more excited about the Devon Lloyd edition.
45:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing against Philos, but Devon Lloyd feels like it could bring this team back to a place of familiarity, where we are able to say we have a middle line backer again.
45:44
[SPEAKER_05]: It felt less risky.
45:45
[SPEAKER_05]: It felt a little more proven to me to have a boy.
45:48
[SPEAKER_05]: You mean you're not signing to a contract that was so detrimental in paying some exorbitant amount of money.
45:54
[SPEAKER_05]: You paid him about reasonable fair price.
45:56
[SPEAKER_05]: You didn't even fleece you and he has played and got better.
46:03
[SPEAKER_05]: The Jalen Phillips thing is exciting.
46:05
[SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time is your betting on the future
46:10
[SPEAKER_05]: that the past is not the injuries like you're betting that this can be something that it hasn't even become yet.
46:18
[SPEAKER_05]: I think, so I think that's what it is is I think Javoc Phillips the ceiling is higher potentially and with Dev and Lloyd the floor is higher.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I mean, to me, that that seems, you know, and Jalen Phillips and Lauren being two different positions, they're going to be asked to do two different things completely.
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But that said, I mean,
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: they're both equally important to what we do on defense.
46:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, remember how many times in multiple different seasons, teams would just run right down our next.
46:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what that can't happen anymore.
47:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Or the slow line back, middle line backers where they're taking us all over the place.
47:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we don't need it to hear whitehead.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we don't, man.
47:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, our depth right here is not the greatest.
47:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, outside of the guys that we have up front, there isn't a whole lot there.
47:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So ladies, gentlemen, cross your fingers that we're able to not be hit with an injury both so soon, man,
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: the potential to derail what we're doing.
47:42
[SPEAKER_05]: It's season and any season to be honest.
47:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
47:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the final things from training camp today, and it just we all were going to do this, but it drives home.
47:55
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a freaking massive receiving core from Tadaro and
48:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Jalen Coker.
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you have Chris Brasal on the team who by the way is already taking the top off of defense, uh, him and Brasal connected for a deep bomb today in practice.
48:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
48:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony, I don't know if you remember Space Jam, but we've got the mom stars and our wide receiver position dude.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm loving it.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm really hoping that this can be a breakout year for all of the guys on offense to really come out and show out in a way that Panthers receivers really haven't been able to do in a while.
48:48
[SPEAKER_05]: it would be nice if that is the case.
48:51
[SPEAKER_05]: It's it feels like it's been forever that you could say that the Panthers had an explosive offense.
48:57
[SPEAKER_05]: It never was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It would never been a team that ultimately was offense first driven it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They even in some of our best years.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But
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[SPEAKER_05]: We do need to off.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It would be so nice because allowing this defense to get some cohesion to weather some of these storms to get healthy, to find ways.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then become what they can be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It would be, it's just very difficult for the Panthers to continue to ask the defense.
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[SPEAKER_05]: to say, we got to keep them below 20 or not going to win.
49:30
[SPEAKER_05]: So we mean is like, let's can we can we grow as a team and finally can we get some jujuzes or something good going, some juice on that offensive side and you know, is we get some, it's, there's some potential there.
49:47
[SPEAKER_05]: We talked about Jonathan Brooks.
49:48
[SPEAKER_05]: We talked, we know about Teterome, and I'm feeling offensive rookie of the year.
49:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Chris Brassel, who's fast as lightning is big, and hopefully that that story of Xavier, Xavier, look get can turn around.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So,
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[SPEAKER_05]: that is what we're looking for to take some pressure off of that defense or allow that defense.
50:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, can you just have two monsters?
50:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Can we not just be lopsided one other one or way or the other?
50:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Cody, those are the stories out of the main.
50:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're coming out of training camp.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Is there anything else we're talking about?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Are we talking about the stadium thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there we go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to share this picture because this is bright
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[SPEAKER_00]: they released their future vision for Bank of America Stadium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They even had a hall that you could go into, it was like a virtual reality hall that was able to show reporters, the virtual reality, what the new amenities would be able to look like in real time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Roger Cadell was in town and he took some questions alongside David Temper,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But first up, let me show everyone the video now I haven't muted so that way we don't get demonetized for the corny flow ride or song that they have playing over the top of it, but just to give everyone that glance as to the future of Bank of America Stadium in downtown Charlotte and the new digs for the Carolina Panthers and what this is going to look like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: David Tapper sports in entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is legit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking at the future vision for Bank of America Stadium
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[SPEAKER_05]: So again, no, no, look at that voice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's a good decision, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good decision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be the first class of many.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just, you know, we won't be there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, we won't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll have fun in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Charlotte football club.
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these are some incredible new days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw our boy sports nut who was talking about the tickets might be 11,000 $11,000.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Only way we could afford to get there is a virtual reality ticket.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_04]: When is virtual reality football tickets coming?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, really.
52:54
[SPEAKER_05]: I like we talked about it five years ago in that yeah, I was doing all that now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so nobody's talking about that anymore, but this is also a vision for So as we see here, they're going to zoom in to one of the boxes and you'll be able to see a concert here and this is what it looks like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: These are a glass doors, like you don't have any privacy in there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
53:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I have it feels like you can only that well, there's a lot of kind of tight.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they do It's like, but hey, I can't take my drawers off in the boxes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does this show the outdoor concert area?
53:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, look, I don't know if you can see my mouse, but yeah, this bottom right hand corner, this is going to be yeah, this is going to be the new music pervillian that's going next to the stadium that will be built for All our concerts.
53:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for smaller and concerts
53:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and don't quote me, I'm going to look to make sure I have this correct, but I also believe Bank of America's stadium extended their naming rights as well.
54:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So it will be called Bank of America Stadium for the foreseeable future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But boys, like this is one step closer to that legitimacy, like the name of the game today is, you know, if you have a team, everyone wants brand new stadiums and even though we didn't
54:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this even better for this right here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I agree.
54:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And a heart of uptown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Shardin' that skyline there when you're watching games.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's so awesome.
54:39
[SPEAKER_05]: The only thing that anybody is gonna could in the tepper anybody can point to is that without.
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[SPEAKER_05]: a dome or a retractable roof that the NFL will unlikely give you a Super Bowl.
54:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Super Bowl.
54:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the only thing, but I don't even know if you could hold on.
55:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on.
55:00
[SPEAKER_04]: We got to talk about that if you're going to touch base on it.
55:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you guys also see that Tepper and Roger Gidel held a town hall?
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, it can be a second out of pull those up as a matter of fact.
55:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's let's move into some of that.
55:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But do we have any more thoughts on the stadium but it's just it looks incredible.
55:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that it's uptown.
55:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good.
55:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
55:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that yeah, it's uptown, I think if you're not going to be able to rebuild a stadium, this is this is the next best thing.
55:34
[SPEAKER_04]: And it makes it look very similar to some of the higher quality stadiums in the league.
55:39
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's incredible.
55:39
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they are very forward thinking and thinking, let's put a music civilian outside.
55:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's also think about the Charlotte football club.
55:48
[SPEAKER_04]: This venue has been the Panthers home for so long.
55:54
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
55:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
55:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, Tepper coming in, having his vision, if we don't want to give the dude credit, but sometimes he needs credit.
56:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He came in here with an idea that this doesn't have to be just about the Carolina Panthers to have this be here.
56:07
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think he can do it.
56:09
[SPEAKER_05]: This guy can do it because I don't know if you've seen this, but one of Tepper's greatest holdings and his
56:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, you know, he was crushed in 2009 with the banks.
56:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he's been on micron.
56:21
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you guys have been following the data chip thing, but micron stock.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I looked at it in 2018.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was going to buy it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was $52 now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's over 1,000.
56:31
[SPEAKER_05]: This mug is word probably 25 billion, 30 billion now.
56:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he is his word that's just grown.
56:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exponentially.
56:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But do not even that though.
56:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just how much of just a a boom to your portfolio and FL team is like there's only 32 of those in the world.
56:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And he has one of his probably most valuable holding.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I bet you his micron stock is worth more.
56:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the dude is he has more money than any of us could ever think about.
57:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So as I mentioned earlier, Roger Gdell was in town talking to David Tapper.
57:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He mentioned a few things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to play this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Roger Gdell and David Tapper are talking about not only Charlotte being a perfect city to hold the NFL draft, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even potentially a Super Bowl in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My apologizing advance if the audio isn't great.
57:34
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just what we have to work with.
57:36
[SPEAKER_00]: This is from Joe Person.
57:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you can, and I asked about a new point to the center of any see the way that Amazon is evolving.
58:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, as coastal may be more technical and as they're coming from all over, including international and it's become a global impact that I think we'll be sure that I can hear this now and everything that's been perhaps, and it's been perhaps, I think, as far as the super both concerned, there is no question that the city is growing where it is
58:36
[SPEAKER_02]: We look at some simple goals now, it's number of good times, all of your terms, none of the solidest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wish every time they come back here, it will be different to what we're now.
58:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, last time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very glowing words from the commissioner of the NFL Roger Cadell about Charlottes potential to not only hold the draft, which, yeah, the draft for T says is perfect, but if we keep on growing the way we are, maybe even being a super bowl destination, was this just lip service or is there truth to this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, I think you could say he's playcating to his audience, but at the same time, I do think that there's reasonable for give the screaming, there's, there's, I mean, I think that he's not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Charlotte has been considered one of the fastest growing cities in the entire country for over entire.
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[SPEAKER_04]: over a decade, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so maybe even close to two decades.
59:36
[SPEAKER_04]: So the way that they have built up downtown Charlotte, it is absolutely in the realm of possibility.
59:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I think he also was very honest about things.
59:44
[SPEAKER_04]: He was talking about how the accessibility of hotel rooms.
59:47
[SPEAKER_04]: We Charlotte doesn't have the amount of hotels and the vicinity that's close to the stadium that makes it a desirable super bowl location, right?
59:56
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
59:56
[SPEAKER_05]: So probably could start with the draft,
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I will say the only thing ever it's the only time I ever even consider going to NFL draft is if it was in Charlotte.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_05]: It looks like the thing that I never would want to do to be honest to be in the sea full of people just like I don't know what to say in those names.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like it's like go as it's very similar to time square New Year's Eve like yeah, I don't know if it's a lot of people shoulder to shoulder not really like especially if you're like the number one draft pick and that like your team just picked all right what do I got to do for the rest of the night.
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's what they do is, you know, in front of the stage, don't give like a sectioned off place for like super fans of each of the 32 teams like yeah, maybe you're freaking kidding one of those Yeah, that would be lit
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I don't know that would happen.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an idea of just speaking for my cripple ass being in a sea full of people That's that's a damn near nightmare flu, but um, let's say I do want to say this.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So about David Tapper listening.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that a lot of us have had our own critiques of David and the way that he's handled things
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, and let's be real.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He had to learn how to be an NFL owner on the fly.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He might have been a minority owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, but there's something different that goes into actually, you know, managing coaches and hiring general managers and you have a shiny new toy and you want to, you know, changes here and there and do this and that, but for any of the mistakes
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that he has done a tremendous job of letting the decision makers make decisions in terms of his football team, but bringing value to the city of Charlotte, bringing in the Charlotte FC football club.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a big move for the city, people in Charlotte, and I know because I live right in the heart of the city.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You can ask Tony and C.K.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He has someone who is a
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_00]: People love that soccer team.
1:02:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a part of the city.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, I mean, that's also be real boys, even the notion of Charlotte having a Super Bowl, even a couple years ago, we might not be there yet.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that we're even having those conversations like, let's be real.
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_00]: David Tepper has in a very short amount of time bought the Carolina Panthers to a level that I don't know that any of the Richardson family could have ever replicate it.
1:02:55
[SPEAKER_05]: framework in a sense.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just going to take the team, having some runs, it's then make that more than just window dressing in a sense, you know, and but if you can pair that foundation that framework with some sustained success, all the sudden that looks like this is a bell of the ball type city and team.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pumped.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think, you know, David temper deserves a ton of credit.
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that we are building in the right direction.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, two more videos.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can get out of here.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I told you guys about the virtual reality experience.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Panthers.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the verb that they're running with.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called momentum.
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a, and a new experience center in Charlotte called Momentum where new and existing PSL owners and customers can virtually experience what Bank of America's day有沒有 look like after the renovations announced earlier today are completed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a snippet of that tour.
1:04:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was telling you all that it was a virtual.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_00]: reality experience and just to show you sort of what I was talking about.
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_10]: you can see and we can take you through here the second, the old to the regions and the aesthetic talk of the Carolinas, once again, it's character, like 10 to eight, it's nil-prunched, and it makes the building kind of greedy things.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_10]: Here, let's keep all the time.
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_10]: Take care, and we'll see.
1:04:55
[SPEAKER_10]: And I want to show them, let's see, do you want to be a guest?
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_10]: So all of them are right.
1:04:59
[SPEAKER_10]: And it's got to be really, it's got to look like how we use a puppy accesses, everything from the events,
1:05:06
[SPEAKER_10]: But our new law frames provide our customers on this old white tier and things.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_10]: Once again, we need to go on and on and that's how to talk.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_10]: We're on a time course.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_10]: So, we're going to step on the mercy for five seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go, just a little bit of the experience.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's cool.
1:05:26
[SPEAKER_00]: See, okay, the next time you're down here, you might need to check that out, man.
1:05:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And then get the momentum experience and see what that's all about.
1:05:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There's virtual reality is so cool.
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Just the fact that you can do shit like that, I'm just,
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm into it.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you see I put a video in the four horsemen?
1:05:49
[SPEAKER_04]: It's from somebody who's maybe not so much a friend of the show anymore.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_04]: But it shows who always have that.
1:05:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say, yeah, no, it was a star studded event, man, uh, they had, uh, Luke, uh, yeah, they had, uh, I said, Jonathan Stewart, Jonathan Stewart, Greg Olson, Greg Olson, Davis, Mike Tolbert, uh, so many people there that are, um, uh, that are, uh, yeah, Justin Norman was there.
1:06:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And Josh Norman was a training camp today, but I did want to play one last video and then we can get out of here.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was David Tepper when asked about the playoff window for the Panthers and just what he thought about.
1:06:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I figured we would play this before we got out of here.
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_09]: And I said last year, going into the year, we weren't a player, but we weren't a player, but this year we're a player.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_09]: So it's just a question on my top point.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you have it.
1:07:09
[SPEAKER_00]: David Temper says that we are a playoff team, whether or not we believe him, that's something to your fans, man.
1:07:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we think that this is a year?
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, if he thinks they are, they better be or else I would be worried if I was people in positions of leadership on this team that I would have a job afterwards.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No absolutely man, um, but I think that's all for today.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've covered everything, uh, unless you guys have something else you want to, you want to touch on.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we're good.
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