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Barely Live #65 Come and Meet Svoot · Barely Live

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  Speaker 1: See that's the problem I'm gonna have.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get cold beer.
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  Speaker 1: I can gonna get you one. I can do that
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  right now.
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  Speaker 2: Someone's gotten to something.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just reloaded me while you're at it.
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  Speaker 2: Tip, I already went into our our typical sancis. I
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  want to head and do that before we recorded.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's probably good. I would have loved to
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  join you, but I was literally just like running through
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  my house and I was just trying to like get
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  school dunk gun and I got me a little workout
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  in and then took a shower so I didn't smell
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  like I got to work out in plush right up
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  here here it is. Yeah, I see people like it
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  when you watched your ass.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well barely live a little bit, a
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  little bit different feel and sound to it. There's all round. Yeah,
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  you're actually seeing us. Yeah, with is whether you want
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  to or not.
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  Speaker 3: We got the windows open. It's a beautiful day. You
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  might hear a little background noise, but we don't care
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  because it feels great outside. A little cold front last night,
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  little rain, that was nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I opened the windows last night. It felt good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't open windows, but I listened to that rain
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  I got this morning. I was getting the kid in
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  the car and Jesus Christ, it was actually a little.
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  Speaker 2: Cool out there. Did you get any thunder and lightning?
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  Speaker 3: We didn't. I got a little bit. I didn't hear anything.
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  Speaker 2: We had to have gotten a little thunder because Norman
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  freaked out and like I did this whole crazy thing.
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  I meant to get the record player going. We'll do
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  that here in a second. Yeah, so little things are
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  a little tabit different. We got some copyright issues now
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  if we want to be legit and legal with Spotify. Yeah,
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  so even our intro song got flagged, like that was
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  the main song that got flagged.
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  Speaker 3: Really Yeah, yeah, we did for out every episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I love that song. I thought you wrote it.
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  Which that last song kind of has that same kind
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  of like bluesy kind of n old bandido song. Uh.
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  But yeah, So we we're gonna playing this to play
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  some songs in the background for us, right right, That's
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  always been the vibe anyway, play the music for us.
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  Speaker 3: That one guy on that one guy that's been leaving
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  them one star review is gonna be thrilled.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's gonna your day. This is your day.
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  Speaker 3: He's been yelling about our music for years.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna be so happy, totally.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I would think you have enough music
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  at this point. We wouldn't need to use anyone else's.
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  Speaker 2: Well that there are we can with the record player
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  and the bandido stuff. I mean, hell, right, right now,
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  I could be playing some bandido in the background. Maybe
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  we will, right, and then one day we'll be copyrighted
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  and I will come back five years from now and
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  be like, hey, you can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like well, but I'm but i'm them that
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  they're me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still sitting here just so worried that everything is.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I keep standing at the camera.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like it's recording.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get just just you know, there's a
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  lot going on here. I got to make sure all
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  the levels are right, levels look good. I'm happy with that.
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  Speaker 3: And we definitely recorded entire shows without recording them before,
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  so that's not out of the realm of the possibility
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  that we fucked this up. Yeah, I'm just saying, y'all
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  don't know that because you never heard those shows because
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  they didn't get recorded. We sat here and talked for
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  three hours into microphones for no reason.
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  Speaker 2: So I got that on now. So the way we
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  kind of got this double layered here, you got the
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  audio and the video recorded. At first, I didn't have
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  the audio for the actual cameras, but we're not using
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  those anyways that it really matter.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta stop staring at that screen. That's that's just bad.
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  Like I keep looking at it that I'm looking at
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  and I see myself in the screen looking at the screen.
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  I'm like, that's not looks like you're slapping Doug right there.
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  Speaker 2: We got to figure out. So I figured, we haven't
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  done this in a while. What was the last time
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  we did it? January or something? Christmas? Was it Christmas?
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  It's been a while.
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  Speaker 3: Did we do we did?
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  Speaker 2: Did we Christmas? No? I don't think we did.
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  Speaker 3: I think we talked about it and it fell apart,
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  and it fell apart, and it fell apart, and we
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  just never got a day. I don't think we did
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  a Christmas show this year.
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  Speaker 2: Well we should have.
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  Speaker 3: We should have, but everybody's busy, man, you know, busy,
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  lots of things going on.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, that was actually an accident testing that out. I
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  like it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, so it's been months which is not
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  out of character for us.
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  Speaker 1: Which means we have a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: We and we we actually do. We got a lot
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  of I love Bud Wise, a lot has happened, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot going down, been a lot
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  going down in the podcast world and the friend world too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we lost all Larry, Yeah the Trail. I
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  think most of the people listen to this show or
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  listen together, or at least are familiar with the Taylor
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  Trash podcasts. So those of you who listen that you
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  already know. Larry of the Trail passed away a few
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  weeks ago. Now I guess it's been Yeah, he'd been
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  fighting prostate cancer for a whole long time and uh
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  it finally, you know, he finally got tired of fighting
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  it and he went out on his own turn. There's
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  a lot to be said for that, sure, But yeah,
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  I got to pass it comfortably at home with his
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  friend's family. But yeah, so we'll be missed terribly. Yeah,
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  you know, I was never super close with Larry. I'd
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  known Larry through the you know, through the Drake podcast
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  for years. Of course, we'd met a handful of times
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  in various ways and places, and stuff, but always a
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  stand up dude. I always had a good time when
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  I was around him.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I feel like we always had a
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  reciprocal kind of podcast, not a war like anything like that,
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  but they would say things on their podcast. We'd come
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  on here and be like, how can they say that? Like,
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  and then we'd say things and like, you know, there
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  were definitely some subtle kind of a little back and
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  forth things. And uh, it's funny because I called him
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  when he kind of made that announcement that he's like
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  he's retiring from being a patient. Yeah, you know, I
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  think we talked a couple of days later, and uh,
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  it was definitely an emotional conversation. Uh. And I told him,
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  you know, because I mean, this is probably the someone
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  I'm talking to, this guy, and he knew that I
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  knew that, And so I told him that we're not
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  going to stop giving his podcast. Hell, let him know
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  that when he lays down to make his final rest,
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  he'll know that we're still going to talk. Not we
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  don't talk about it, but we we just we just
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  talked trash a little bit, the same way they talk trash.
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  I told him that we're not going to stop ever
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  doing that, that ours are still the best, you know,
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  even though we call it the worst. And he definitely
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  when I said that, clearly it meant something too, because
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  he got super emotional when I started talking about that,
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  and uh, And I was working on a painting I forget.
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  It was from the blind side a permit scene, and
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  I painted his name into the into the painting, just
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  like real loosely. Only I'll ever know how to find
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  it or see it in there. But I showed that
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  to him. I said, man, your name is going to
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  be forever in this painting. And some dude bought it
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  that uh, that lives in Naples. So I told you that.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I seen a message probably that day that
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  he posted that post, or maybe the next day, I
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  don't know. I sent him a text and along the
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  same lines. I mean, I just kind of, you know,
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  sent my you know, it's kind of it's stricky because
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  I in my line of work, I've been a part
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  of hundreds of conversations with families making that decision to
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  go comfort we call it comfort care or you know,
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  hospice care, whatever you want to call it, but where
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  you make a decision to stop treating and just focus
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  on quality of the remaining time you have, and that
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  usually just involves keeping pain medication on board, that kind
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  of thing. But it's a whole different mindset, and it's
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  a big thing. It's a big jump, especially people who
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  been fighting something like Larry had for a lot of years,
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  to switch gears from fighting to all right, cool, I'm
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  just gonna be comfortable and I'm just gonna be with
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  my family. Yeah, he's lucky in that, and his family
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  is that he got to make that decision himself versus
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  you know, a lot of faimis get put in a
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  position where someone so sick and so out of it
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  they can't make calls for themselves, and then then you're
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  forced as a husband, wife, mom, dad, whatever, to have
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  to to make that decision for them. And a lot
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  of people have a hard time with that psychologically, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't think Larry wanted to do.
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  Speaker 3: That, no, And so that's what that was. The gist
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  of my message to him was like, you know, that
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  takes a lot, you know, to make that decision. I
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  was that I've been there. I don't have any way
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  of having a point of reference of knowing what it
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  feels like personally, I was like, I've seen other people
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  hundreds of times have to do it. I was like,
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  but I was like, you know, basically, good on you
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  for keeping that from being a burden on your family
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  to have to make that decision. Later, I was like,
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  that's a that's a that's big balls move right there,
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  Like that's but uh in the process of that, of course,
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  to a we talked about some of the things, but I, uh,
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  I said, I said similar thing to you. I was like,
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  don't worry, you know. I said something along the lines
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  like I'll make sure everybody remembers who's the second best
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  podcast in the world. And uh so, yeah, he let
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  me give a little chuckle of that. But yeah, like
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  I said, I you know, respecting awesome and everything with
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  it with Larry's family and you know, we'll always remember him.
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  And you know he's got just like you know, this
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  stuff lives forever on the internet at least still Spotify dies.
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  You know, Larry shows are out there, so it's kind
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  of neat that he got to leave a piece of
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  himself for the world, at least for some level of
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  time frame.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, Spotify is not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild with all the craziness in the stock market.
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  I actually watched Spotify a little bit. It's one of
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  the best ones you can buy.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, people are depressed listening to music, but that's true.
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  You know, Hey, my four one K may be dead,
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  but I can still listen to some good jams.
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  Speaker 1: They call it the blues, they call it the four
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  one K.
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  Speaker 2: Can't die if it never the last the.
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  Speaker 3: Last great depression spawned ship jazz, the blues swing and
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  who knows what's this that's true, Probably not anything good,
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  but something will come out.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Speaking of Terry and all those guys, Yeah, I
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  listened to them listening to the podcast they did since
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  Larry pass and how they're kind of talking about everything.
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  But it sounds like that old Mosquito lagoon's coming back.
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  I did hear that the grass is back. And I
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  don't know if they're trying to keep that a secret
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  or not, but we're here to tell you get on
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  down there, down But it's just good to hear that
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  that that fishery is in good health again.
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  Speaker 3: And that's and that's a testament to all of the
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  groups and individuals that have spent decades fighting for and
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  and promoting policies at the state level and really and
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  really trying to bring it back. It didn't come back
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  by some you know luck, Like a lot of dudes
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  have spent their whole lives for sure trying to make
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  sure that that happens.
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  Speaker 2: That's been like a ten year deal, I think at least.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So good on them, Good on them, keep
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  up and good work.
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  Speaker 2: Because if you.
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  Speaker 3: Take your foot off the gas, it don't hold.
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  Speaker 2: It never does. So I want to read. I want
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  to read a h a little. I guess you could
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  call it a passage. One of my one of my
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  journal entries from when I went down there. I think
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  we were doing kind of a flood type project. We
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  went down a Mosquito lagoon and sat in with them
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  on their podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Were either we all there now it might have been
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  you and I think it was you, and uh was
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  it Will?
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  Speaker 2: Will?
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  Speaker 3: I think that was back in the Will days. I
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  think y'all went down.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, well we recorded, then we went out and
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  fish the next day and uh, let's see July seventeenth
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  of twenty seventeen. Wow, it was with Will Lawson, Larry
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  Gary and Avery, Cambo, Carl and Shannon. Uh So, I'm
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  just gonna read both these. One is the first one
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  is me just recalling the trip, and the second one
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  Larry actually wrote when we caught this big ass trout,
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  the biggest trout I've ever caught. So after almost week
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  at I cast, I cast week. So maybe y'all were
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  at I cast.
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  Speaker 3: I still point of bet that, yeah, that year I
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  may have. I don't remember money those constructs.
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  Speaker 2: So we came in hard to the trailer park, Larry's
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  fish camp house, some Mosquito lagoon. We did a little
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  barely live recording last night and the boys sitting with
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  us and Will and lost in and I good Time.
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  My writing's terrible, so take me a little bit through
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  good Time, and Will got pretty something in creative. Today
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  we got up and took our time to get on
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  the water. It was Larry and I and I got
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  the bow. First saw an ice school of snook and
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  trout that got us excited right off the bat. Saw
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  a bunch of reds that didn't take a liking to
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  the fly or my cast. Finally we had a fish
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  snaking through the grass. It would tail tilt. What's so
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  cool about writing these things. Is I instantly remember like this.
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  I will not remember this detail if I had never
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  written the stuff. Now you're there. I remember this fish
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  just like act like. He was never spooked to the fly,
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  but he just also didn't care when we were another
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  It would tail, twilt, tilt, move, swim as I cast
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  it to it. Finally I put a good cast in
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  front of him and he sipped it and we had
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  one in the boat. Okay, I didn't think we'd caught
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  a red fish a day, had lunch of JB's and
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  a few beers. It was hot as hell and it
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  made it out For a couple more hours. We went
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  into this little cut and found a big ass trout
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  that ate on the first cast. It was the biggest
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  trout I've ever caught on the fly or any type
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  of tackle. Larry and I had a fun time and
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  told some good stories. We ended up We ended the
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  day on the dock at sunset with the whole group.
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  Good day to catch my first mosquito, lagoon, redfish and trout,
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  and I wrote drew a drumstick on there because we
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  had Public's chicken.
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  Speaker 3: The only boat snack that you should ever pack by
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  the way Public's fried chicken. It's so good and you
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  go get it the night before, put it in your fridge,
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  so it's like pre cold, yes, and then it just
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  stays alive and it's cooler all day.
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  Speaker 2: I would say probably ten years we did a whole
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  segment on boat snacks. We should revisit that and see
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  how different we are now that we're ten years older,
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  and how more we find our boat snacks have gotten
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  all right, So this is a this is the next
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  day or that afternoon, I think on the dock. I
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  made Larry right in the journal a little thing. So
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  this is from Larry on July fifteenth, twenty seventeen, an
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  amazing day that started off with great fellowship, sharing a
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  hearty breakfast made by my beloved wife Shannon. Today being
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  our nineteenth wedding anniversary, Paul and I made this short
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  trek to the SNECO the meth lab for provisions and
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  launched at the neighborhood ramp. After buzzing wild as drake,
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  we found an empty flat to fish pounding polling in.
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  We were greeted by Morris Manates.
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  Speaker 3: What amorous amors?
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  Speaker 2: A yeah, get it?
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  Speaker 3: So they're fucking Okay, that's love.
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  Speaker 2: Paul had a few shots at a redfish that didn't
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  work out until we found a happy tailing, snaking dude
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  up in the shallow in the grass. Success. Paul scored
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  his first Mosquita Lagoon redfish, more manatees, and some frosty beers.
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  Than off to JB's for lunch with the boys. PM
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  session and the rattlesnake cut led to Paul feeding a
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  flight of five to six pound trout. Amazing A great
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  day with Paul Larry of the trail.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Man, so there we go. That trout was that big.
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  It was a big dude. Wow. And I remember it
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  was so hot, and I remember it was up on
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  this hump. It was almost looked like this flat with
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  this ant hill in the middle, and he was on
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  top of that there, sitting there. I guess it was
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  a perfect spot for bait to be swimming and kind
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  of get raised up from all sides. It looked like
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  a bonefish. Yeah, it looked like a big snook. Yeah.
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  And he was just sitting on that hump. I casted
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  the fly five inches from his face and just but
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  then it was like a wet sop. He had no
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  fight and I felt bad because it took me a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that much.
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  Speaker 2: Auction up there, dude, it was hot. Yeah, so uh
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  but I'll never forget that. And what's just cool is
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  bringing back those little details like that fish snaking and
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  I just remember that. That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many people that even myself included that wish
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  I was doing this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is just start it. Yeah, yeah, what
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  if you live another twenty five thirty years, you'll have
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  twenty five wells, okay, but you won't have you won't
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  have forty years, but you'll have twenty five or thirty
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  whatever whatever it is. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I started it at one point, but mainly I did
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  it around, like when I would go on trips and
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  I started writing on stuff. But like, I've never been
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  good about it here, you know. And and it is
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  funny because you forget so much, you know. Yeah, and
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  then when you get around people that you did, because
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  I remember certain things about certain trips, and I remember
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  certain but there's stuff that I did I don't ever
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  remember until I'm around somebody that was there and they're like, hey,
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  might remember that time X y Z, And I'm like,
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  holy shit, I forgot I was even there or participated
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  in that. But yeah, yeah I do now that you're bringing. Yeah,
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  so you're right, Yeah, that would be bad ass. I
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  just I'm and all I do is actually start I
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  get it, but I'm terrible. I start things after the
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  hard thing though. Yeah, the hard thing is I need
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  to start that. Yeah, just keep like a captain's log essentially.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to find a little I've never
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  been to a journal or it's just funny.
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  Speaker 1: I think the hard part is being disciplined and continuing.
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  Speaker 2: To do it. Yeah, to keep adding to it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can start things.
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  Speaker 2: And starting to get a little lazy on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you get off the water, you know,
• 17:41
  and yeah all of us do right on a boat,
• 17:43
  Like you get off the water and you gotta wash
• 17:45
  the boat, you gotta scrub it, the rench, your tackle,
• 17:47
  I gotta put everything away. You get everything tore down
• 17:49
  by the time you're done. Yeah, I mean you shove
• 17:52
  something to eat in your face, or you know, in
• 17:54
  our case, like your wife and you know she's like, hey,
• 17:57
  you know you're on bath down tonight, or you know,
• 17:59
  you gotta do something. The kids freaking out in there,
• 18:01
  and go handle you know.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Well, so well with that in mind, most of the time,
• 18:05
  most of the time, if I ride around, if I
• 18:07
  write about fishing here, it's most of the time the
• 18:09
  next morning here in the studio, right, Like, I come
• 18:12
  here to do this kind of thing, so I have
• 18:13
  the availability when you go to the hospital, like, and
• 18:17
  when you go, you know, you're probably not sitting around
• 18:19
  and being able to write in a journal. I mean
• 18:20
  maybe you possibly could.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have time in the morning that I
• 18:24
  intentionally get up.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: That's where I gotta do it.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get up intentionally earlier than I have to
• 18:28
  before work, so I have twenty thirty minutes to sit
• 18:31
  down on a cup of coffee and just not do anything.
• 18:34
  Get thirty like, you know, because yeahs soon as I
• 18:36
  walk in the hospital, shit is expected of me. So like, yeah, yeah,
• 18:40
  I gotta get my head on before.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It works better for what I do, Yeah, for the
• 18:43
  most part. But most of the time I'm doing it
• 18:45
  when I travel. Most of the time, most of these
• 18:48
  things are when I go to the Keys or Mexico
• 18:50
  and I get back to the lodge and they greet
• 18:52
  you with the margarita. That's usually when I'm going into
• 18:54
  grabbing the journal and writing my thing as people are
• 18:57
  coming in. Yeah, what conversation too.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I've done that well on a couple of trips where
• 19:03
  I really did a good job of track and I'm
• 19:05
  and I have a few I have a journal with
• 19:07
  a few trips worth the stuff in there. But yeah,
• 19:10
  as far as my like daily like here, I would
• 19:12
  like to keep that stuff too, because I mean, realistically,
• 19:15
  we fish way more here than you can learn from it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also never know when people are going
• 19:20
  to enter or exit your life, and so those moments
• 19:23
  reaffirm you know why you're you're memorializing that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely keep.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Track of it. It's so cool because I woke up
• 19:30
  this morning knowing that I had written about a day
• 19:32
  with Larry, but I totally forgot he wrote something. Yeah,
• 19:35
  so that was a total bonus. Hell yeah, I mean
• 19:37
  that was a great surprise. So it's really cool for sure.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I can hear like before you even open
• 19:44
  your mouth. I never obviously read your journal, but before
• 19:47
  you even open your mouth, I knew because I know Larry,
• 19:51
  I know how Larry speaks, I know how Larry wrights.
• 19:53
  I've read something. Yeah, it sounded like it, and I
• 19:54
  was like, yeah, I was like, I know what's about, Like,
• 19:56
  I know how this is going to sound like. And
• 19:58
  when he hit like word like when you the amorous
• 20:00
  and the fellowship and yeah, all those all those words
• 20:05
  like you know. So for those of y'all that didn't
• 20:08
  know Larry, that's how Larry spoke. Yeah, that's how Larry conversed.
• 20:12
  Was was that eloquent kind of speech, and that's the
• 20:15
  way he did things. So it's before I even heard it.
• 20:17
  I was like, I know how this is going to
• 20:19
  sound before it comes out. And it didn't disappoint.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: That was Larry that way. Like I don't read much
• 20:25
  and no, Doug and you and Mike, Yeah, you guys
• 20:27
  read a lot. Yeah, so let's let's what if you've
• 20:31
  read of an think of an autobiography you've read before
• 20:34
  where you almost feel like you know the person so
• 20:39
  well because you've read it, and like, I wonder if
• 20:41
  it works that same way, and like you read a
• 20:43
  book about someone you almost kind of feel like you
• 20:45
  know him and how they spoke because of that same
• 20:48
  type of.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Thing or or someone they can create a character so well.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think I don't know
• 20:54
  that I've ever I've read a lot of autobiographies, to
• 20:58
  be honest, I've read a lot of biographies, yeah, a
• 21:01
  lot of histories about people. I haven't read a lot
• 21:05
  by people. But yeah, to the to the point of characters,
• 21:08
  there's you know, there are especially in like series is
• 21:13
  if you read like all the series, but there is
• 21:15
  like you start developing like this picture of that person head. Yeah,
• 21:19
  so like when something happens in the book, you're like
• 21:21
  you're like, oh, I know how this person's going to react,
• 21:23
  because you know, you feel like you understand that person's That's.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Why people read a book and they later see the
• 21:28
  movie and they go, oh, the book is way better
• 21:31
  because they add their own imagine.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they built that guy a certain way.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah they I mean Sam County Almanac. I mean that's
• 21:38
  that's somebody writing their own thoughts and you kind of
• 21:40
  get an idea and stuff like that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So that's never see, that's never bothered me. The whole
• 21:45
  movie thing because I've never read the book.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It always bothers me a lot whenever, like and and
• 21:50
  not even like just like descriptive like you always had
• 21:52
  black hair, Like now that stuff really bothers me. What
• 21:54
  bothers me is like the vibe you get off the
• 21:57
  pay off, and that comes down to the actor being
• 21:58
  able to But let's say it comes out to the
• 22:00
  actor interpreting the character that they're reading the same way
• 22:04
  that I interpreted that character. Yeah, and then be able
• 22:06
  to portray that. So but every once in a while, man,
• 22:09
  you get one, you're like, fucking nailed it. Nailed that
• 22:11
  person he or at least me and that person are
• 22:13
  on the same wavelength. That's exactly how I thought that person.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Will disappoint you. And I don't mean to talk you know, crap,
• 22:21
  but like a river runs through it. I mean I
• 22:24
  had read that way before I ever saw that movie.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I feel like the brad Pitt character pulled it off
• 22:28
  pretty well. I feel like Norman though I think he
• 22:32
  that definitely wasn't Norman, not the Norman that I had
• 22:35
  in my head.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Well in the way the story's chopped up.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think brad Pitt pulled off you know,
• 22:41
  the brother well, like at least the vibe of the
• 22:44
  brothers and like, yeah, that was a good one. I
• 22:47
  like that one.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I'm called it shadow cast.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Rainbow? Was it shadow shadow Cast?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: You got a new one, a rainbow cast.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not even I'm not joking, though, I did have
• 22:58
  somebody one time, long time ago. I shoot, you know,
• 23:01
  in a flyas shop when I was working, I had
• 23:03
  a guy come in and asked me if I could
• 23:04
  teach him to shadow cast. Oh you mean not in
• 23:08
  your leader, because yeah, I can show you that all,
• 23:11
  because that's what's gonna happen. You start fucking whipping that
• 23:14
  thing around. Yeah, but I'll tell you on a cheesier
• 23:18
  note one than I feel like nailed it pretty good. Yeah,
• 23:22
  it's because it's I don't know if any of y'all
• 23:23
  read Cloud.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Custler, I don't look at.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he's very much like my My grandmother was
• 23:31
  really in him, my dad's really but he writes the
• 23:35
  it's the classic like, yeah, it's a classic hero, good guy,
• 23:39
  bad guy adventures, you know, mystery. But his this character
• 23:44
  is a like, he's a he basically it's all about
• 23:48
  diving in ocean and he runs boats and it's pretty cool.
• 23:51
  It's yeah the Pirates, Yeah, but it's cheesy. But the
• 23:54
  main character is this guy named Dirk Pitt, and he's
• 23:56
  like this, you know, he's very much the Man's man,
• 23:59
  Ladies guy Dirk. But they made one star. It made
• 24:04
  one single movie out of one of these books, and
• 24:06
  it was called Sahara. Matthew McConaughey. That's a good They
• 24:11
  never made anymore because there was big lawsuits that came
• 24:13
  out because Clipp Cusser didn't like the way they did
• 24:15
  his book. It is a whole thing, So it never
• 24:17
  made anymore. But Matthew McConaughey as Dirk Pit as soon
• 24:20
  as the movie started, like, that's him. That nailed it
• 24:24
  was very much that handsome, big guy, you know, witty
• 24:28
  but also you know, cool and you know yeah, I
• 24:31
  was like permanent. Yeah, I was like, nailed it. Matthew McConaughey,
• 24:35
  there you go, that's Dirk Pitt. It's funny how that
• 24:38
  ship works.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I can see that though. If you
• 24:41
  read a lot and you see a movie and nothing's
• 24:43
  really painting out, yeah, I like to just see the movie.
• 24:48
  I'm not gonna picture book.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Name one though that was. I can name one that
• 24:52
  was better. Lonesome Dove.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: That was. Actually, it's been so long since I read
• 24:58
  Lonesome Dove or watched that movie. I don't know that
• 25:00
  I could comment on that, but the movie was amazing,
• 25:03
  but I mean robertall bro I mean yeah, Robertavall and Jones. Yeah,
• 25:11
  but Daval he took the he took the show on
• 25:14
  that Diane Lane.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was Jacient Mercers in it too. Yeah.
• 25:19
  First what second where he's he's like one of the
• 25:22
  boys that goes to the back door of the brothel
• 25:25
  in the back steps and get out of here like
• 25:28
  early on I think so yeah, it's like twelve hours long.
• 25:32
  I don't I don't remember when first goes to the
• 25:35
  to the brothels. How many times have you read that book?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I've read it four times.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I read it a long time ago. I haven't.
• 25:48
  I'll tell you another Devall movie that I really like
• 25:51
  that like kind of is not on the radars something
• 25:53
  secondhand Lions. Did you ever watch that?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I heard?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I heard it was a great Michael Caine and I
• 25:59
  don't know it's a book or not, but it's I
• 26:02
  haven't want.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: To end up adopting this this kid, well he's there.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Like great great nephew or something, but he gets dumped
• 26:08
  on him. But basically they've lived this like extraordinary life
• 26:11
  and and Michael Kaine's telling him the story of their life. Yeah,
• 26:13
  even while he's telling, like, you don't believe all this
• 26:15
  right because he's like telling it kind of like a
• 26:17
  theatrical way, but like Devall is his older brother, Yeah,
• 26:20
  rumpy old guy kind of like yeah, it's it's badass.
• 26:24
  Like it is such a a feel good movie but
• 26:27
  so well done and so if you haven't watched Secondhand Lines,
• 26:30
  it is kind of a cheesy, feel good, warm movie,
• 26:33
  but it's badass, like those guys Michael Caine and and
• 26:36
  Devall together just.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: He can't beat. Yeah, he and Doug had coffee this morning,
• 26:43
  Old Bob.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I do love a man and he kind of plays
• 26:47
  like the same character all the time, but it's it
• 26:50
  doesn't matter because that he does it so well.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: He's the only reason I liked Days of Thunder.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty much.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah give me, you give me, I'll give you ten
• 27:01
  laps your way.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You break it, you buy it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Because then we're gonna change the tires and you're gonna
• 27:05
  do ten laps my way and we'll see who wins.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I love it. I remember seeing that one in the theater.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: That was a good one.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I think I went and saw Top Gun like ten
• 27:15
  times in that's a good one. I went.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I don't go to theater as much anymore, but I
• 27:18
  went specifically to the theater with the remake of Top
• 27:21
  Gun came out, because like this, because the original, you
• 27:24
  can't appreciate the original unless you see it in a theater,
• 27:26
  like those Jets and the big like you mean the
• 27:29
  part to the Maverick. Yeah, I went to the theater
• 27:32
  just to watch that in the and it's cheesy. It
• 27:33
  is what it is.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I liked it, but I was like, there's no way
• 27:36
  I'm watching this, not in a thing. You gotta go
• 27:38
  see jets, Like, yeah, it's it's funny.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You had mentioned that because we just lost the Malcomer.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did remember him and Tombstone. Tombstone, Yeah Holiday
• 27:50
  that man.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Did y'all see the there's a really good documentary bow.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that it's hard.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: That surprised me. I didn't realize, Like I didn't know
• 27:58
  he went to Julia Art and like, yeah, some prodigy
• 28:01
  child actors. Yeah, I had no idea. I honestly thought,
• 28:04
  like in my head, like in the back of my head,
• 28:05
  because I liked all his movies I'm like, I bet
• 28:07
  he's just like a crazy, weird asshole. No, it turns
• 28:09
  out he was like a really chill Normalsh guy who
• 28:13
  just you know I was because he disappeared, I'm like,
• 28:15
  he must have done something weird.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he was pretty eccentric, if you know, you know,
• 28:18
  I'm sure.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they all are. They're artists, but like Paul.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah you're not.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah you don't. Yeah, so eccentric.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, man, god dude, yeah for me,
• 28:27
  I mean, he did so many great movies. But yeah,
• 28:29
  he'll Doc Holiday. Nobody, Oh my gosh. Everybody's like a
• 28:32
  couple of people have tried, but nobody will ever be
• 28:34
  Doc Holiday again. Like that, that is Doc Holidy. Like
• 28:37
  even if it's so far off of the real docolag,
• 28:39
  it doesn't matter. Doc Holliday himself can't be Doc Holliday anymore.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Think about Comer.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just how hasty and sick.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: He's just always and he had that like somehow through
• 28:50
  a movie screen you could tell that even though he
• 28:52
  was sweating, it was that cold clammy sweat that wasn't
• 28:54
  like it wasn't like.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I got just just pointing this out, you know, where
• 28:59
  he was from, right, No Doc Holiday Georgia.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just had to point that out.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the real doc Holiday was from Georgia.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: No, it went out west because it was tuberculous.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Ye. Really he was a dentist.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: He was a dentist in George. I don't know we're
• 29:15
  at in Georgia, do You probably don't don't.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Actually, I would guess they make it or something.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe, I don't know what was around in the late
• 29:21
  eighteen hundred.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Somebody tell us, Yeah, that's right.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he moved out west when he got tuberculous,
• 29:26
  which a lot of people did, because the dryer was
• 29:28
  better for their lungs, supposedly.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing that in movies and stuff for shit
• 29:32
  or documentary. You're younger, Yeah, but isn't it also good
• 29:38
  to be on the coast to for certain things Salt.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Air, you know what's good for tuberculosis, antibiotics, they didn't
• 29:47
  have that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: That's yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Dryer just you know, you just die in dry climate.
• 29:51
  You know it's really gonna help you.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Dryer for that for people with lung diseases, like having
• 29:57
  dehumidified air does help a little bit with the breathing.
• 29:59
  You know one a whole lot. But but yeah, no,
• 30:02
  tuberculous is there's no fixing that unless you got the drugs.
• 30:05
  And this is the point now, like if you catch durculus,
• 30:08
  people do, like there's a set regiment of drugs that
• 30:11
  you have to take for a certain amount of time.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: And a certain schedule quarantine.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Don't well, you don't have to quarantine necessarily, but you
• 30:17
  have to, like you have to take these drugs. They're
• 30:20
  so damn serious about it. They send somebody out from
• 30:21
  the state department that checks on you, like knocks on
• 30:23
  your door like daily, Hey, take the pills because it's
• 30:27
  such a risk to the community.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Like you remember that trip on the Bahamas. I thought
• 30:30
  I had tuberculous. I thought you were having a baby.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It was terrible.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they come not they track you and make
• 30:39
  sure you're taking your medicine because you're a threat to
• 30:41
  the community at that point. So they don't play around
• 30:43
  with their like taking pills on schedule as scheduled every day.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So hey, one thing I wanted to ask, kind of
• 30:49
  off subject, but I love the videos you're doing about
• 30:53
  talking about your art.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Oh you're one of the forty three people that I
• 31:00
  love it. It's great. Yeah, yeah, it's fun to do.
• 31:03
  I mean, it just adds a new dimension to before
• 31:06
  I let it release it into the wild.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Well people like that, I mean, but that's I can't
• 31:11
  see that doing anything but helping your right.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And yeah, people like to see.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: People like to see how the catch you know, how
• 31:16
  we say is made. Yeah, because I mean a lot
• 31:20
  of ways, Like I think, especially nowadays with technology being
• 31:23
  what is some people do this generated art and they
• 31:25
  you know, print out on canvases and stuff, and it's like,
• 31:27
  not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but to
• 31:30
  watch somebody go through a process like you go through
• 31:32
  to produce one of these things, Yeah, I think that's
• 31:35
  I think that brings a whole new light out, like
• 31:37
  oh ship man.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Well it's funny. Someone in the content production media world,
• 31:44
  you know, called me last week. I forget who it was.
• 31:47
  I'm sitting there literally making a video of on my
• 31:49
  paintings and what do you get to me? And I
• 31:51
  go making when you're stupid.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Things that you think has to happen these days in
• 31:58
  order to be.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Something somewhere with the gems, I can't just be the painting.
• 32:06
  It's like and it's fun to do, but it's just like, man,
• 32:08
  it's just one more, another fucking step. And actually I
• 32:10
  do enjoy coming there's as well. Yeah, but it's the
• 32:16
  editing and I do it super like nineteen eighties looking
• 32:20
  like I'm not trying to pull tricks here. Even Patrick
• 32:23
  Duke was like, I love the the handicam cam cord
• 32:27
  was moving around.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You walking up and like adjusting the camera. Well, so
• 32:33
  when are you gonna go one step further and go
• 32:35
  full Bob Ross.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: On this paint? Actually, a couple of you have tails
• 32:43
  watching me paint would be so boring honestly, because like
• 32:46
  there's so many layers and like like that painting will
• 32:49
  like I'll do one little thing to it and it'll
• 32:50
  have to sit out for a day before I yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 32:53
  there's no way you could do it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and I'll say do like I did.
• 32:56
  We were We still have the barely page up and
• 32:58
  I'm making two videos are on there, but like you know,
• 33:01
  I did, and I will put this one on there,
• 33:03
  I guess, but I did. I did one little video
• 33:07
  about working on the boat, and yeah, like working on
• 33:09
  boats paying the ass anyway, But then to like have
• 33:11
  to set up like two cameras and then make sure, oh,
• 33:14
  I gotta have a little more light in here, because
• 33:15
  I can't fucking see what's like even though like I
• 33:17
  could have been done with this twenty minutes ago, but
• 33:19
  I had to get the angle on the camera just right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And then and then you drop something and you're going
• 33:24
  full plumber.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Well then then I'm a dumb ass and
• 33:28
  I talk too much, so then I'll start explaining what
• 33:30
  I'm doing. And then I realized, like I've been talking
• 33:32
  for like twenty minutes because that's me.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: No, I can't. I can't imagine though, like like like
• 33:37
  for fun of like to make these guitars. I can't
• 33:39
  imagine making that guitar and actually explaining how I'm doing it. Yeah,
• 33:44
  that's I have enough trouble just making the guitar.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And then you gotta go edit the thing, yeah, like
• 33:51
  on the editing, Yeah, and then trying to match everything
• 33:53
  up and like cut scenes in and music and and
• 33:56
  then yeah, like and then exactly like I don't I'm
• 33:58
  not a boat mechanic, and so like everything I did,
• 34:01
  I just I just did. Well you're not yet, yeah,
• 34:04
  I ever, but everything I did I was. I mean,
• 34:07
  I knew, I know some things. I've learned some things
• 34:09
  along the way, but like just the hard way, and
• 34:11
  so like everything, I felt like I had to like
• 34:13
  use that, like I had to qualify about like, hey,
• 34:16
  you should probably ask somebod who actually knows what they're doing,
• 34:18
  like if this, like I'm doing it this way, but
• 34:21
  it probably shouldn't be done this way, or there's a
• 34:23
  better way to do it. I'm certain. Yeah, then it's
• 34:25
  very it's yeah, like I'm barely getting this done myself.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, don't do what I do. Yeah, it's a
• 34:31
  pain in the butt.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I must. My favorite thing I don't watch
• 34:35
  very many TV shows or anything at home. My thing
• 34:39
  I do watch is YouTube videos and i've it's this addiction.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I don't sale. I have never sailed. I don't know about.
• 34:46
  I think it's a cool idea to be able.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: To use wind to Yeah, I think it's very cool.
• 34:50
  I don't.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I don't either, and I don't have any back. The
• 34:52
  only use that half for it is if I had
• 34:54
  enough money to have a boat big enough to sail
• 34:57
  to like the Bahamas and tow a flats boat with it,
• 34:59
  like that would be on which I have nowhere near
• 35:01
  that kind of money, so therefore.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I have no use for it. What's the way I
• 35:04
  feel about hiking.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't mind hiking if I'm going to
• 35:07
  fish to shoot something or catch something.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna go to hike. Yeah, I don't
• 35:13
  walk anywhere, like walking them but walking to nowhere. But
• 35:19
  there's a.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Whole lot of YouTube videos out there. These people just
• 35:21
  work on sailboats, like about these old sail beauty have
• 35:24
  them and you like Salem. I actually only watch them
• 35:27
  for the work and then once they I'm like, ah,
• 35:29
  I'm done. But like I don't care about watching you
• 35:32
  float around like that's fine, but like watching people do
• 35:35
  fiberglass work and.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's I don't know, man, we probably just
• 35:39
  lost one of the fifteen listeners we have.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I watched that ship religiously. I follow like all my
• 35:45
  like my Instagram subscriptions are mostly guys working on sailboats
• 35:49
  and girls. There's a couple of ladies that do it too,
• 35:51
  but like it's mostly people working on sailboat and it's
• 35:54
  badass and they're usually just like these hippie dudes that
• 35:56
  just like live out in the woods and they're like,
• 35:58
  I'm working on a boat and.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: How do you eat? That's all they do that that's
• 36:04
  all they want to watch is how to videos.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so much fun.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I watched yeah YouTube TV now just YouTube. I watched
• 36:11
  this guy in Charleston working on huge. Yeah, it's fun.
• 36:15
  He's cute too.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I wish I could, but you know, part of me
• 36:18
  like having done one video and working on my butt.
• 36:20
  I'm like the fact, like the amount of these guys
• 36:21
  put out videos every week right now, and it's good content,
• 36:24
  Like they're they actually film well and they have it
• 36:25
  all set up, and I'm like, the amount of effort
• 36:28
  not only to like rebuild a giant fucking sailboat, but
• 36:30
  then to have this production as well to like yeah,
• 36:35
  and they don't have it like they're all doing it
• 36:36
  themselves or like their wife's helping them. None of them
• 36:38
  have like a crew like with a camera following around
• 36:40
  like on TV TV. So I'm like, man, I can't
• 36:43
  imagine like actually getting anything done if I also had
• 36:46
  to manage.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think those people and that's what I think is
• 36:49
  really cool about it is you see someone's passion laid
• 36:52
  out in front of you and sort of describe step
• 36:54
  by step.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Who was the guy that used to do this old house.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was awesome. Yeah, I think you
• 37:03
  worked on the same house for like twenty years. It
• 37:06
  was always it was always like, all right today this
• 37:09
  entire episode replace up banister, just one one one piece
• 37:14
  of the banister, show you how to do that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: It was really cool.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: That's neat.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: It was the original original how to thing. For sure.
• 37:21
  I couldn't stand with that was on. Now I'm looking
• 37:23
  for Bob vila how to stuff all the time.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I just redid the whole all right, well we're talking
• 37:28
  about the ship we've been up to. I just redid
• 37:30
  the whole front of my house.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I saw the pictures pain credible.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I did everything. So so my house is
• 37:37
  brick and had some vinyl and I had some My
• 37:39
  porch had all these old couple of posts on the
• 37:41
  porch were rotted and like it just was out of date.
• 37:44
  And the painting color scheme was awful. We always hated it.
• 37:46
  Since we bought the house, we haven't had any time
• 37:48
  or money, still have any money. But I had enough
• 37:50
  to do it if I did the labor myself. So
• 37:53
  we saved up, did all things. So I ripped all
• 37:56
  the siding off, tore my front door out, but brand
• 37:58
  new front doors in went from like a single door
• 38:00
  to double mahogany doors, and then.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You went hometown on this thing. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Then I went and did the hardy board, siding board
• 38:07
  and Baden did all that myself. And then after that
• 38:10
  was done, I painted, of course, painted out the siding
• 38:13
  and stuff. I still got to finish the doors. I
• 38:15
  gotta do some lacquer on them. But painted the brick,
• 38:19
  and then I'm an asshole. So instead of just buying
• 38:22
  the paint brick paint because they make there's student ways
• 38:24
  you can do this right, and there's different theories, and
• 38:25
  people argue back and forth because I read a whole
• 38:28
  bunch before I did it. But yeah, there's brick paint
• 38:30
  that you put. You spray a primer on, then you
• 38:31
  spray the brick paint on, and that's fine. But people say, oh,
• 38:34
  you're trapped moisture in the brick and then your brick
• 38:35
  will degrade or it'll peel after a few years, and
• 38:38
  blah blah blah blah, and there's all. If you don't
• 38:39
  do it just right, you get so there's all this
• 38:41
  stuff about painting. Then there's a second line of stuff
• 38:43
  that you can do. It's mineral paint and it actually
• 38:46
  absorbs into the brick and it appears chemically with the bricks.
• 38:49
  You're basically painting brick onto bricks porous. Yeah, and it
• 38:53
  remains as porous as the old brick, so you still
• 38:55
  get breathing. The brick doesn't degrade and it will never
• 38:57
  peel off because it's chemically bonded to the brick. It's
• 39:01
  a lot more expensive. But when I was on the
• 39:03
  researcher like oh yeah, you can spray, just need a
• 39:04
  special tip and blah blah blah, I'm like, okay, cool,
• 39:06
  because I have a big paint sprayer. I'm like, I'll
• 39:08
  be able to spray it. It won't take that long.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And you have a paint sprayer, Yeah, so I do now.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I bought one anyway, so I was like, gonna do
• 39:15
  all this stuff. And then when I got the stuff,
• 39:18
  it wouldn't spray. Like I went and rented the biggest
• 39:20
  sprayer that I could rent because mine wouldn't do it.
• 39:23
  So I went by the biggest one I could do it,
• 39:24
  the biggest tip I could find and it's still just clogged.
• 39:27
  So I've been painting my house by hand because I
• 39:30
  have all this expensive ass paint and I still want
• 39:32
  to use that paint. But the only other way to
• 39:33
  do it is you roll it. And the rolling will
• 39:36
  do like the face of the bricks. It does that fine,
• 39:39
  but mine has deep gaps in the ground, so it's
• 39:42
  not like nice and shallow where the thick nap would
• 39:44
  like get it. No, I gotta go in it. So
• 39:46
  I've been hand painting between every crack of the bricks
• 39:49
  on my entire house.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Taking the same meticulous approach he does do a painting too.
• 39:58
  I'm gonna paint this house fifteen years later, he's like.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Still haven't got it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I need to.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I need to. Actually, I need to just hire some
• 40:05
  help just for because it's man labor. It's not hard.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: There's no skill involved.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Like it's it's paint my number, man. The lines are there.
• 40:11
  You just got to get in the cracks and uh so, yeah,
• 40:15
  I've been working on that, and then I'm painting the trim.
• 40:17
  The nice thing was my sprayer. I could still pay
• 40:18
  I do on my trim and all that stuff with
• 40:20
  the sprayer. But yeah, it's uh, that's what I do
• 40:23
  with my days off. Uh, the house looks great. The
• 40:26
  front of the house is Yeah, the front of the
• 40:29
  house is done.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I would like to see it. But the it does
• 40:33
  look really good.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: The back of the house is still not completed. And
• 40:36
  I have one whole side, like gable ended side of
• 40:39
  my house that's just still not.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I hired someone to hang a swing on the front port.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: What my house looks like now, Paul, that's totally different.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, it looks awesome. Reoks amazing. Yeah, you
• 40:51
  already show the camera which.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Can't can I can't. I don't know. They don't know
• 40:56
  my house. I don't know what my house was like
• 40:58
  before anyway.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: So that looks awesome. Yeah it does.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: It looks well.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm really crazy. Is you probably just added fifty
• 41:04
  grand of like value to your head? Yeah? Yeah it
• 41:06
  probably did.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it looks good. It's just been so fucking time.
• 41:10
  I think I gave myself tennis elbow. Like now, every
• 41:13
  time I'm in, my elbow just snags and like pops,
• 41:16
  And it's from doing doing this number between your.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Side cast is gonna be like your little little leans
• 41:23
  and little men's I'm gonna reach cast.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: What Actually I got to do some practice casting, but
• 41:27
  I'm worried that like I don't know, like if a
• 41:29
  twelve waiter, like.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You're gonna find out because where are you going soon?
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Or and like being the Keys in three weeks, three weeks,
• 41:37
  three and a half weeks, Yeah, releave on the fourth
• 41:39
  whatever may fourth whatever that three and a half weeks.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Where are you guys fishing out of Uh?
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: We got the same house we got last year, so
• 41:46
  we're we're on lower mount of Coumby. Okay, we'll be
• 41:49
  fishing front side, backside. I got a couple of spots
• 41:53
  in the back that I found last.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Year that I bet you're the only one that knows them.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I bet I ain't. In fact, this one when I
• 42:01
  told one of the guys I know down there, I asked,
• 42:03
  you know, typically he doesn't tell us spots. He's he's
• 42:06
  he'll tell us like broad spectator fish this kind of
• 42:09
  area or whatever, but he's never So for all you
• 42:11
  Keys people that may be listening, Baker Hill buddy has
• 42:14
  intentionally not told me spots because he doesn't. He's not
• 42:17
  he doesn't want to be the bad guy on you know, island.
• 42:20
  So but anyway, I found this one little area an
• 42:22
  eyeballing it from space, you know, and I've been like
• 42:24
  so I went in there and looked around, and there's
• 42:26
  a couple of boats in there, and I got out
• 42:27
  because I didn't know. I knew it's a basin, and
• 42:30
  I knew the basin how I was laid out, but
• 42:32
  I saw kind of where the boats were, and I
• 42:34
  was like, I don't know how these fish used it.
• 42:36
  I don't want to get in here and fuck somebody's
• 42:37
  thing up. And there was like two or three boats
• 42:38
  in their fishing. So I ducked my way out. So
• 42:41
  I asked him about it. I was like, Hey, what
• 42:42
  do you know about blah blah blah, and he was like,
• 42:46
  don't go in there. Like, well, I already went in there,
• 42:49
  so like what how do I fish? He's like, no,
• 42:51
  no goes. There's a couple of guys in there, the
• 42:53
  fish goes.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You don't want to go in there. You better hope.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Captain brock Horner is.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Best motherfucker, best motherfucker fishing guy. So anyway, he eventually
• 43:04
  did kind of say he's like, look, you know it's
• 43:06
  a basin. Here's how I have the fish move around
• 43:08
  like this. You know, there's really it's like a three
• 43:09
  boat spot and fish and these, you know. And he
• 43:11
  was like, you know, it's just the guys. The guys
• 43:14
  are very territorial.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: To fish it no way.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: And he's like, to the point where so the point
• 43:18
  where there's an entrance to it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: That was when I went in.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: There was still some markers and like, yeah, you know,
• 43:23
  if you ever fish down in the back country now,
• 43:25
  the markers are a stick with a little arrow on
• 43:27
  it tells you which side of the stick to be one.
• 43:29
  There were two of those that marked the interest to
• 43:31
  this thing. I was like, oh, well, mark channel right there,
• 43:33
  so that's how I got in. But he was like, yeah,
• 43:35
  he goes. It took the four Service like years to
• 43:37
  get those in because every time they put them in,
• 43:39
  these guys were ripping them around. So people couldn't figure out.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: How if anyone gets mad at you just go nicky Milton.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly the millhouse. But yeah, so I'm I've been
• 43:51
  eyeballing it. I've been looking at it harder this year,
• 43:53
  and I'm intentionally going in there. So if I don't
• 43:57
  come back from the keys, it's because some dude shot me, and.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: We'll know where you're he's buried. Approximately.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well somebody will. Yeah, they'll find my boat washed
• 44:04
  up on a bank somewhere. But no, it's just one
• 44:07
  of those things that I don't think it'll be like that.
• 44:09
  I just I think I know enough, like from my inferences,
• 44:12
  from what I've learned, I think I know enough to
• 44:14
  at the very least be out of the way when
• 44:16
  I'm fishing. I'm saying not to be in somebody's spot,
• 44:19
  quote unquote, because it's it's just it's a basin, you know,
• 44:22
  and it's a big basin. There's plenty of room in there.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Dirty looks you'll find some fish though. What about you, Paul,
• 44:27
  You got any Tarbin trips lined up in May.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I've got a couple of buddies from home that are
• 44:33
  it's a friend of mine that invited me to his place. Yeah.
• 44:36
  He's north of Key West, or I guess east of
• 44:38
  Key West. And so a friend of mine, Kyle that's
• 44:41
  come to trout or redfish with me here a couple
• 44:44
  of times, has never been Tarborofish, so he's going You've
• 44:48
  met him a couple of times. Kyle Hoague is from
• 44:50
  the El okay, Yeah, and so Buddy, Jeff Bowling and
• 44:55
  some other guys we're going there. But what's funny is
• 45:01
  I don't know where I went airhead on this, but
• 45:03
  I asked Kenny Atkinson if he could, like three months ago,
• 45:08
  take us, and he's like, my dates are locked on
• 45:10
  those days.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I just realized a week ago that I
• 45:13
  never figured it out. Who's going to be our guide?
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So you don't have a guid yet?
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: So?
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, I know a guy.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I know a guy who's open once you rent upon
• 45:24
  tim boat.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: So we've I've got one day with a guide, but
• 45:29
  I might actually Jeff has an extra boat. I might
• 45:31
  just go in the back country. And yeah, man s Mester,
• 45:33
  I know Keith, you'd want to go with me one day.
• 45:35
  Kyle would probably want to go. I'm not worried about it.
• 45:37
  But Mike Fish, yeah, I know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I'll pointed out on the map show you where to be.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's standing around Sugar Loaf somewhere or something
• 45:45
  like that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that area. It's you know, man, we've
• 45:49
  spent a lot of years down there fishing, and I
• 45:51
  have a lot of spots now that I know where. Yeah,
• 45:54
  you know, but like I still I've never got to
• 45:58
  fish with a guide in that area. I wish I could.
• 46:00
  I will one day, and I wish I could have,
• 46:02
  But I just do just to be able to cruise around.
• 46:05
  Like as long as you have a boat in the keys,
• 46:07
  I don't give too.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Fun run across something. Eventually, just going there with occurs
• 46:11
  in the turtle box. Yeah, maybe a subo.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm looking either way. Either way, it'll be fun.
• 46:18
  I'm not it's gonna be awesome. Yeah, hanging out with
• 46:20
  these guys. I haven't seen him a long time, and
• 46:22
  it'd be funny to watch Keith with them. Whatever. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:26
  you guys want to take a little break. I'm going
• 46:29
  to play a song that you guys haven't heard, and
• 46:32
  then I'm gonna play one of our famous YouTube commercials
• 46:36
  and I'm gonna clap. Okay, be weird, just deal with it.
• 46:42
  The clap was going to be edited out. You're not
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  going to hear that on the know that there was
• 46:46
  a clap. There was a pressing one button pause. But anyway,
• 46:49
  here's a little song, A little diddy I came up with.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: Well, ef up some money, go fishing in the far
• 47:03
  with place where the water set them dreading.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: Hell, it reminds me you and gear costs a lot
• 47:16
  of money. Well it might be screwed.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Ain't ever casting a.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Fly round before?
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: What the hell do I do? He's what you do.
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: If you want to be good fly fish man. Yeah,
• 47:39
  getting on sleep, fool attention and you gotta look.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Just ride. Let's get you in a full run a.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Road, silver roof. That's what you do. If that's what
• 47:58
  you do.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: So your girlfriend's gotta place on the Madison River in Montana.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Girlfriend's family, Oh yeah, and.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Your uncle's best friends and sister new lefty crave. You
• 48:18
  spend a summer wide water wrapped in, got in Jackson cool.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Just got your first try on the drivet line.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Now we want to be a sails rep to If
• 48:34
  you want to be a good a good.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: Fly fisherman, get it, get in then.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Sleeve food, the big tapsis and you gotta just right.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Let's get you in a full runner of super rue.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: It's got a little hit. What you gotta do if
• 49:05
  you want to be a fly fish that's what you do.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: That's what you gotta do. I know if you guys
• 49:14
  like I like, Yeah, I sleeve tattoo. That's step one.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: My commercials are gone. Oh well, we'll come back into
• 49:26
  how about a clap? Actually, you know what we're first,
• 49:29
  We're going to get this kind of clap. Yeah, you're
• 49:36
  talking about our audience. You got lost? Okay, stuff, you
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• 49:50
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  Speaker 3: I love it Like a fishing rod in the eighties
• 50:52
  cost twenty fives. I know you can't buy an ugly
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  stick for twenty dollars.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Bill Dance was littlely selling twenty you had twenty dollars.
• 51:02
  I'm like, this is a little bandido play. This is
• 51:05
  old Jacob Skelton saying that one of his song Oh yeah,
• 51:11
  play a little a little bit of it. I like it, Yeah,
• 51:13
  a little rippy good. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's old
• 51:36
  Jimmy on them keys. Yeah, I like them keys. All right,
• 51:40
  we're back, Yeah, we do have let's see, Yeah, what's
• 51:45
  on the docket. Yeah, I mean we've already got quite
• 51:47
  a few things going so sar like that we've got
• 51:51
  I've gotten back in touch. We had an author on
• 51:54
  the show like ten years ago. Yeah, it's crazy that
• 51:56
  we can say that now ten years ago we can.
• 52:01
  And we have his brother actually this time, let me
• 52:07
  find his uh his name, So his name is Roger
• 52:14
  Cling stink Trier Cling sting Ryer, Cling sting Ryer, Roger
• 52:19
  clingsting Ryer can you spell that, Doug, do you really
• 52:25
  need me to can use it in the.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Senate cling sting Ryer.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: He says that the second g is actually silent, so
• 52:34
  cling ston Ryer, cling stein Ryer. Okay. Cool. So he's
• 52:39
  gonna be on here later talking about some books that
• 52:41
  he's recently kind of gotten. He says, a lot of
• 52:44
  acclaim for recently uh books, right, yeah, some fly fish
• 52:49
  and books. I've never heard of him. I think that
• 52:50
  name would kind of be highlighted. You never you have now,
• 52:57
  So he's got a few titles he's going to talk
• 52:59
  about with us, So it might be kind of cool.
• 53:02
  I'm excited. Yeah, and we've actually got Doug was able
• 53:06
  to talk his his I don't know if you call
• 53:09
  it a pet.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: It's not a pet. But it's Randy. Randy the raccoon's
• 53:14
  coming in as well. He's he's really set up shopping.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: In my house.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: It's he's got a whole thing.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Okay, Look, I love raccoons. There's everybody
• 53:25
  knows that. But where I ran into the trouble was
• 53:30
  I sort of started feeding and kind of adopted a
• 53:33
  feral cat.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: His name is foot Foot.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Stole it from sold it from a progressive insurance commercial. Okay,
• 53:44
  yeah and Swedish, so uh s foot.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I like that. His name's Foot.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: He just started showing up and unbeknownst to me, he
• 53:57
  doesn't always finish his meals. So I've forgot to bring
• 54:00
  in the food one night and uh Randy found it.
• 54:05
  Oh boy, Yeah, get one of those raccoons in a pattern.
• 54:09
  Can't get them off, should.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Be go ahead and just get him in here.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Well that's before we get him in there, I had
• 54:14
  a rack. I have a raccoon problem in my house
• 54:16
  as well, So don't hurt him. No, I don't ever. Well,
• 54:19
  let me phrase that. I've hurt some raccoons in my day.
• 54:23
  I haven't hurt these raccoons yet, but I had so
• 54:27
  the cats we we kind of like about a year ago.
• 54:29
  Finally my cats were just getting to be too much
• 54:31
  in the house. I've always been like anti outdoor cat
• 54:34
  because I just don't like them killing birds. I don't
• 54:36
  like the range, like you never let your dog just
• 54:37
  free cat. But my neighborhoods full of free range cats,
• 54:42
  and I was like, but finally my cats one of
• 54:45
  them getting so pissy, like literally pissy, was like marking
• 54:49
  shit in my house. I'm just getting to be a
• 54:50
  real fucking dick. And so I threw him out of
• 54:53
  my house one day. I literally described him by the
• 54:54
  scruf and was three them in the front yard. Now,
• 54:56
  granted I have cat doors and things that they can
• 54:58
  get back in.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Whoa, you have a cat door?
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well the house came with them. Wild cats can
• 55:03
  come in. They don't just my cats come in. My
• 55:05
  cats are big enough.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: It's not a lot of bobcats running well, I mean,
• 55:09
  like the cat that is not his, No, they haven't.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: They haven't. But the plus side of that that I
• 55:15
  did like was I could move their food outside and
• 55:18
  so we started feeding them in the garage with like
• 55:20
  a so that like cat food's kind of stinky, and
• 55:25
  I was like, yeah it was. It was nice not
• 55:27
  to have that in my house. So I was thrilled that.
• 55:28
  But then I started finding the thing knocked over and
• 55:31
  all the food gone, and I was like, huh, I
• 55:33
  know what this is because the cats couldn't do it.
• 55:36
  So it's like had a latch. I was like something
• 55:38
  with the fucking trash pan. Yeah, some some with hands
• 55:43
  got a hold of this. So one day I was
• 55:45
  sitting in my living room and it was like an
• 55:47
  afternoon and I hear something rattling in the garage and
• 55:49
  sid to run over there, and I opened the door
• 55:51
  and there's two two raccoons just fucking like sitting there,
• 55:53
  and they like looked at me, and I'm like, oh,
• 55:56
  you motherfuckers, and they jump bolted out the cat door.
• 56:00
  And I was like, all right, so I can't feed
• 56:01
  my cats in the garage and feed the house. I
• 56:05
  pledged revenge, but I haven't taken it on.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: No, don't.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: If I do anything, I'll trap them because and then
• 56:11
  I'll just take a cat door to the garage. Yeah,
• 56:14
  do you have a cat door through the garage? Yeah,
• 56:16
  I have a side door to my garage. I have
• 56:17
  a little cat over there. And then open door policy
• 56:21
  right now your place, Yeah, and I mean whatever, there's
• 56:26
  a cat door into the house from the garage. But
• 56:28
  then nothing ever, like the raccoons never came into my
• 56:30
  house as far as I know, so.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Well, so mine got a little out of control. So
• 56:38
  I I decided, you know, just for entertainment's sake, I
• 56:41
  would set up one of my game cameras on the front.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Por It's got video capability.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: This is during a period where Becca was making me
• 56:50
  watch some show I didn't really want to watch, so
• 56:53
  I would set up so you pretend to watch shows
• 56:57
  my phone as a monitor on the coffee table. While
• 57:00
  we're watching the show, and I can see live feet
• 57:02
  of the front porch. Things got a little dicey, So,
• 57:06
  you know, I realized Randy had friends, one of which
• 57:10
  is a possum. And I had this video and Mike,
• 57:14
  I'm gonna have you posted on YouTube.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: On our page later. It's right.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It's like they're literally taking turns, and when Randy gets
• 57:22
  a little too greedy, the possums like packs up and
• 57:26
  rubs his paws together, and the possum will get his
• 57:30
  bit and it'll start chewing. So and then Randy gets
• 57:33
  in there, and yeah, it's a whole mess.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: I had some one of my coworkers jin uh. She
• 57:38
  was she's not she's hilarious, but she uh, she had
• 57:41
  this possum like kind of your Yeah, she named this
• 57:43
  possible crash and he was like he was always on
• 57:45
  her sun room porch or whatever. And she had a
• 57:48
  little dog and I had a little dog door anyway,
• 57:50
  so kind of similar thing like crashat food and whatnot.
• 57:53
  She didn't care. He was nice little possum. Well, one
• 57:57
  night she was sleeping in her bed and she felt
• 58:00
  something hop up on her chest and she thought it
• 58:02
  was her little dog. So she's like laying there like
• 58:04
  half asleep, of her eyes closed. She starts petting what
• 58:06
  she thought was her dog, and she's petting it and
• 58:09
  she goes. She just kind of like opened her eyes
• 58:11
  and she's like it was fucking crash, no way in
• 58:16
  her bed, on her like on her chest in her bed,
• 58:19
  and she was petting him.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. She was like, yep, that was the end
• 58:25
  of that.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I had to steal up the doors.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Randy, Hey, buddy, man, what's up?
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: What's up? Man? Not much man? How you doing. I'm great, man,
• 58:39
  I'm gray. I really appreciate y'all having me on here
• 58:42
  talking about just cone stuff.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't usually see you when the sun's out.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Told you, man, my eyes don't work with the hail
• 58:48
  right now. So I was crossing roads over here, not
• 58:50
  even caring if cars were coming.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Almost got my ass well, ran over.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you saw we had the wind open.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I came on in came on in. I
• 59:00
  heard y'all here talking about possums and and the possum
• 59:04
  powder and grease.
• 59:05
  Speaker 10: You still do that stuff?
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: No, that that that's not me. That's uh, that's Richard case.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: That's your case.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: He's probably not. You might want to stay clear of him.
• 59:13
  He also has some coon coon claw powder in his
• 59:16
  other hand.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I know, man, he's chased my ass down a few times.
• 59:19
  We've kind of come to an understanding though. Uh, we're
• 59:22
  all good.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I think I just don't don't trust Richard.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: No. I just we've got babies all the damn time,
• 59:30
  and I'm just giving him the baby so he don't
• 59:31
  take me. We have a thing of an understanding.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: So I've been mean to ask you because you are
• 59:38
  you're looking well fed.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Oh man, you've been putting out. You've been wasting a
• 59:42
  lot of food.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Not wasting. I've been eating this ship.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Out of That's what I'm wondering, because I'm curious to
• 59:47
  know what what do you prefer? The dry food or
• 59:51
  the fancy fees.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Let's just say I want that lion? Is it?
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Is?
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: It? Is it?
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Uh? What's what's your girl's I forget her name bea
• 1:00:01
  Becca Man she can make that cheese dip again. That'd
• 1:00:04
  be great too. And you know, I like possums and all,
• 1:00:09
  but that damn possum you got on your front porch.
• 1:00:11
  He can go. Yeah, man, he's over there hissy footing
• 1:00:15
  to me if I just eat too many mouthful and
• 1:00:18
  I gotta wash my food before I eat it. I'm
• 1:00:21
  a washer. I wash food. Every raccoon does that. At
• 1:00:23
  least we go through the process of wanting to wash it.
• 1:00:26
  Even if there's not applical water around. We like to
• 1:00:28
  wash our food with our hands. All up in there.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I noticed that last night you didn't mind the rain.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: You still showed up. No, I need to shower every now, man.
• 1:00:35
  I need to shower every now and then. But I
• 1:00:38
  just got off back from vacation. Took the family up
• 1:00:40
  to North Charleston. We went on a wild adventure up
• 1:00:43
  in North Charleston. A little different up there. I don't
• 1:00:45
  know if y'all have ever gone up there. It's about
• 1:00:47
  a three day track. But took the family. It's just
• 1:00:51
  time for time to show the kids kind of what
• 1:00:53
  reality can be. And uh, I just wanted to do
• 1:00:56
  that for them and they appreciated it. The lady loved that.
• 1:00:59
  We have had some good food. It's different, uh, but
• 1:01:02
  we had some real good food, some fine dining, if
• 1:01:04
  you will, and just really got a lot of good
• 1:01:06
  culture in and we're just glad to be back. It
• 1:01:08
  was a seventeen day trip.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: That's a that's a that's quite Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Now, if I'm not mistaken, you followed me from when
• 1:01:17
  I was living on on the river. Yeah, right near
• 1:01:20
  Lounge Grove and Wagner Terrace. And I moved sort of
• 1:01:24
  interior Wagner Terrace.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Well you know your kayaks, right, Oh, hopped on in
• 1:01:28
  those things. The whole family can fit in those kayaks.
• 1:01:30
  So I moved you Yeah, you moved. I didn't. We
• 1:01:34
  can tell what was going on.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: We just hopped on those kayaks and just came on,
• 1:01:37
  came on a board, if you will, So I on it.
• 1:01:40
  Didn't want to lose your meal ticket.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I assume you've set up shopping that bacon house next door.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great in there. One day a guy came
• 1:01:47
  out of there just yelling and screaming with a knife
• 1:01:49
  and like wrestling with the grass and all the hall tarnation.
• 1:01:53
  Crazy shit. I'm sorry, I didn't know you saw that. Well,
• 1:01:56
  we're usually sleeping, but he woke us all up that
• 1:01:58
  time of day. But it was it was while. Man,
• 1:02:00
  did you get a video of that guy?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Man, how about the rats over there? Well, I've noticed
• 1:02:06
  that they're all gone. Now. Well, I ain't got nothing
• 1:02:09
  to do with those damn things.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I don't do anything with the rats.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you'd be really nice to that little black and
• 1:02:15
  white cat if you run into him.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, spoot spot soon, I go way back. Man, I
• 1:02:22
  saw him, I saw him be born.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: He's a good guy.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: We're trying to teach him kind of the ways of
• 1:02:32
  the hood right now. And just just know he's gotten
• 1:02:36
  rid of all the rats. So, oh, okay, that's what's
• 1:02:39
  going on. He gets rid of all of them. Man,
• 1:02:41
  rats are nasty. They're pretty bad.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't wash their hands. They're not very clean critters.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: So I got a buddy. His name is Earl. He's
• 1:02:50
  a possum, and uh, he's about to move here. I
• 1:02:53
  just don't know if your old rat ass possum buddy
• 1:02:56
  is gonna care about that. But you just tell Earl's coming.
• 1:03:01
  Earl's coming. He likes cat food just as much as
• 1:03:03
  I do.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: I've consulted a couple of biologists and they assured me
• 1:03:07
  the carrying capacity of my yard is plenty, plenty for another.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Possible Well, the word is out though you're feeding, You're feeding.
• 1:03:15
  We're coming, you know what I'm saying. I think there's
• 1:03:18
  right now it is about fifteen of us. We're looking
• 1:03:21
  at bringing the whole damn family. I told all my
• 1:03:23
  friends nor Charleston, we're coming now.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact, and I'm not trying to
• 1:03:26
  embarrass you. Okay, I'm not trying to embarrass you, but
• 1:03:28
  I think it's been a great place for you to
• 1:03:30
  share with the people. I know you came up a
• 1:03:32
  little early in the evening and you saw a lot
• 1:03:35
  of that stuff that was on the ground next to
• 1:03:37
  the next to the bowl of food. You probably didn't
• 1:03:40
  know what it was, but I happen to know you
• 1:03:43
  kind of you know, tasted it a little bit, and
• 1:03:45
  it's it's actually cat nep And.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I think it had a pretty profound effect on you.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I was doing all kinds of tweet you were. I
• 1:03:52
  saw you in the front yard. I didn't know you
• 1:03:56
  gotten into something really bad. I was kind of worried.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, what do y'all call it when your dogs
• 1:04:01
  get all crazy?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Dodo? I was zooming, zooming and pooming, pooing, whatever you
• 1:04:08
  want to call it. I don't know.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: You kind of reminded me of one of those panda
• 1:04:12
  bears on YouTube, and you were doing a little front roll.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Well, we're related to bears. We're type of bears. Okay, okay,
• 1:04:18
  yeah that makes sense. A lot of people don't know that.
• 1:04:20
  But we just got them cool looking little hands. These
• 1:04:23
  little hand yeah, get all touchy feely and stuff. But yeah,
• 1:04:27
  I appreciate y'all. Let me come by. We're just heading
• 1:04:29
  down to the circle CA down here. You're gonna go
• 1:04:30
  see rummage through their trash can and see what they got.
• 1:04:33
  That always got something good.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll see you tonight, right, Michael.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: You're looking good, Bud Well you yeah, I don't know that.
• 1:04:39
  I Have you seen me before? Well, there's a chance
• 1:04:44
  I could have seen you far away, kind of like
• 1:04:47
  a looking looking good from far far from good that
• 1:04:51
  whole thing.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know I do look better from a distance.
• 1:04:54
  There's that.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Uh, you've been fishing much?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: No that No, I ain't but there's nothing.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Man, I'd like to go fishing sometime. Yeah, I mean
• 1:05:04
  I used to go out in his backyard and mess
• 1:05:07
  around out there, but there's not much you can do.
• 1:05:09
  You can play with the oysters a little bit, you
• 1:05:10
  get you can't get too close to them tailing fish.
• 1:05:12
  They scurry away. But I'd love to go fishing with
• 1:05:14
  you guys. Sometimes they do scurry away.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I think you'd have a hard time.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: You got to I can cast that fly off. You
• 1:05:19
  got thumbs, I think right, it's kind of a it's
• 1:05:21
  a semi thumb. It kind of goes in line with
• 1:05:23
  the first finger about the same league. You can't. You
• 1:05:25
  can do a little somewhere. They will have to asshole,
• 1:05:27
  we'll get all tricky take fish, old tricky thumb.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: You're good at swimming right?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Hell oh, I see a lot of you can out
• 1:05:35
  there swimming around y'all. Y'all like to swim between them
• 1:05:38
  islands out there?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: And what's can mean?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Your family relatives?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: You can oh, coun caim yeah, coon can Okay, Randy,
• 1:05:46
  what's the favorite thing? What is your favorite thing?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Excuse me to find just kind of laying around trash
• 1:05:52
  can whatever somebody left it out.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Man, if you ever dropped the lollipop on the ground
• 1:05:57
  in the dirt, there's a dirt all over it. And
• 1:05:59
  I mean, I love finding those lollipops. You like sugar, Oh,
• 1:06:02
  I love sugar. Gotta love sugar. I don't care if
• 1:06:05
  it has amount of shit and dirt all over that thing.
• 1:06:07
  I'll sift through that stuff. But if I got that lollipop,
• 1:06:10
  I love a good old lollipop.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: About like like you're going to the gas, are you
• 1:06:14
  hoping to find like good like half a roller dog? Still?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna say funy and I love funny. Yeah,
• 1:06:20
  I love onions and having fun and you throw it
• 1:06:23
  in together. That's fun, young, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:06:26
  I love fun yning.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: About a nice takito?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Oh sure, anything on the roller, anything on that roller,
• 1:06:32
  let's give it to me, Give it to me, man.
• 1:06:35
  But yeah, man, that's right. Well I'm out of here, guys.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Was fun h Randy?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Just all right?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: When does behind you?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I'll see you tonight.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: But we're shitting on anything on the way out.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: He is such a man, he's getting.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: I bet you send the better of your truck.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I know he's getting out of control.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: He's getting there.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm gonna wake up one night he's
• 1:06:53
  just gonna be sitting there.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he might just came in here and just took
• 1:06:57
  the mic from me and everything.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: He's gonna do it like Mike, like the do now,
• 1:07:00
  Like I have one cat and he's actually a nice cat,
• 1:07:03
  but he's he'll straight up is coming to my bedroom
• 1:07:06
  at five and morning to start yelling at me because
• 1:07:08
  I ain't fed him yet.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have Randy knocking on your door like.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Hey, you forgot to put out fucking food.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean this this cat's food. He has gotten
• 1:07:20
  to where if we haven't food out at the right time,
• 1:07:24
  he gets up in the window sill and stares at
• 1:07:27
  us through the window.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Really, all of a sudden, they get all from homeless
• 1:07:33
  to the schedule. Now, how about that fancy feast.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll do dry, we do dry and wet the
• 1:07:42
  wets kind of a special tree.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: So you have a dog, I mean you have a cat.
• 1:07:45
  I have a cat, yea. His name is Food. But
• 1:07:48
  those are the best ones to get, are the ones
• 1:07:49
  that are like you and you're not too committed to him.
• 1:07:52
  Like one day he just won't be there. That's fine.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to send Mike all these pictures
• 1:07:58
  and he's gonna have to put him up. I'm some
• 1:08:00
  pictures of food, and I've got Randy and that that
• 1:08:03
  possum arguing it's.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: That, that's a video. It's it's wild. No, it's good.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's good in the wild stuff going on. Yeah,
• 1:08:13
  it's nuts. Get a little background bed of some tunes here. Actually,
• 1:08:17
  let's get just go play that record, play the top
• 1:08:20
  of them. Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think I actually know how to see the
• 1:08:26
  red light on or the red light turn on record anymore.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: You gotta lower that plastic tray thing and then it's
• 1:08:33
  on the back left. Just turn it on and letter up. Yeah, lower,
• 1:08:40
  do the lower level thing. There's a little switch. You're right. Yeah,
• 1:08:46
  there you go.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: Just put her on and push the play button.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Michael turning on a record. Monkey's playing with football.
• 1:09:08
  There we go, thanks, Michael, There you go.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: You done did it?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Son? You done? Did it?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah? We don't turn up a little bit. Yeah that
• 1:09:22
  might be too loud.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You can keep that plastic thing of
• 1:09:25
  it all right? Maybe?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Oh man, is that George straight, Yeah, don't tease me.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Bring that record cover every here, Michael, how about the speaker?
• 1:09:39
  This was one of my moms.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Straight straight from the heart. I'm good right now.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty three, nine seven nine? That's got does does uh?
• 1:09:53
  Does fort Worth ever cross your mind in the erena?
• 1:09:56
  Do uh?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: So?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Well, if you know's I got all any it all
• 1:10:00
  got inducted to the i gf A Hall of Fame.
• 1:10:02
  What's about time? Sure that that was cool for Nicky
• 1:10:04
  and at the mill the Mill House podcast, Well, you know,
• 1:10:11
  you know.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of these, I'm not big on all
• 1:10:13
  that kind of stuff, but Andy deserves it, man as
• 1:10:17
  as many tournaments as he won, as much as he's
• 1:10:19
  done to promote it, that the Millhouse thing alone, the
• 1:10:22
  amount of effort he's put into promoting conservation and efforts
• 1:10:25
  they put into promoting you know, ethical fishing and all
• 1:10:29
  these things. Like, you know, I like to make fun
• 1:10:31
  of Andy sometimes because he's kind of an easy target
• 1:10:33
  on certain things. But like he would tell you the
• 1:10:35
  same thing, Oh yeah, I'm a big target.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Actually boosted the economy. But yeah, but I mean he
• 1:10:41
  told boats and fly HUDs.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always like you know, since I've been involved
• 1:10:46
  in fly fishing as an adult, you know, I mean
• 1:10:49
  this as a little kid, but since I've been like
• 1:10:51
  into it, I've always been watching Andy Mill TV, you know,
• 1:10:54
  and on you know, And when I got into saltwater stuff,
• 1:10:56
  you hear about it like I handy won another Gold
• 1:10:59
  Cup or you want another, you know, and that was
• 1:11:00
  a big deal. I'll probably never fish in one of
• 1:11:02
  those big three tournaments, but I still have a lot
• 1:11:05
  of respect for the guys that do.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: In some ways.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: But I think Andy's been a stand up dude about
• 1:11:12
  the whole thing. And he's always been very you know,
• 1:11:14
  he's very you make. You can agree with him, disagree
• 1:11:17
  with him. You can like him or not like him,
• 1:11:18
  but you can't you can't deny his talent and his
• 1:11:21
  ability to make fish eat when I probably wouldn't make
• 1:11:25
  aim eat for sure.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: So like, well, the guy's a gifted athlete, let's not.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Forget well, And I think, to think about it, athlete
• 1:11:31
  or not. I think what he brought to fly fishing,
• 1:11:33
  and he's I've heard this set. It's not like I'm
• 1:11:35
  saying this for the first time, but like the thing
• 1:11:36
  he brought that to fly fishing was he brought the
• 1:11:39
  mindset of a professional athlete with the sport and guys
• 1:11:43
  because it was just a good old boy's fun time.
• 1:11:45
  You know, most of his guys took it seriously. Don't
• 1:11:47
  don't make me think I'm not trying to say they
• 1:11:48
  didn't take it seriously, but they weren't training year round,
• 1:11:51
  day in day out, testing their gear with fucking He
• 1:11:56
  brought his obsessive compulsive behavior, which brought.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Him to a high level of scheme, almost like analytics
• 1:12:03
  and football.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: But that's how he got to be the skier.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: He undeniably changed it.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he changed the mindset of those tournaments. He changed
• 1:12:09
  the and he basically he won all those tournaments. And
• 1:12:12
  then he basically raised the bars, like if you're gonna
• 1:12:14
  beat me, you're gonna have to play the way I played.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: All of them. Well, he won, he won, He won
• 1:12:19
  them all right.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have a triple crown, not in the same
• 1:12:22
  year he's won all three.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Has anyone ever done that?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Multiple people have done triple crowns. Dave Delu.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: In the same year.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave del is a triple crowner. He's from Tara,
• 1:12:35
  he lived and he still does but he's a triple crown.
• 1:12:39
  I think there's two or three that have done the
• 1:12:40
  triple crown in the same year. But it's not It
• 1:12:45
  is not easier often by.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Any I mean, that's being good and lucky and dedicated
• 1:12:51
  no matter how good you are, Like if the fish
• 1:12:52
  doesn't swim, Yeah, you can be the best cast or
• 1:12:54
  best fishermen in the world, but doesn't swim the right.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: Way on the day of, it doesn't handy.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: These guys have gotten a lot better in the last
• 1:13:01
  fifteen years as well.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: So the gear, the techniques, the guides. Yeah, you know,
• 1:13:07
  all of it is just yeah, but no, yeah, I know,
• 1:13:10
  I don't think any ever won a triple CROWND, but
• 1:13:11
  I know a few people have. There's a handful. I
• 1:13:13
  can't remember all of them.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: That's really cool. Yeah, and just like you said, let alone.
• 1:13:19
  The podcast that he and Nikki are doing is pretty cool.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: That is an amazing podcast. What a contribution to our sport.
• 1:13:28
  I mean, they're just they're just like lining the what
• 1:13:31
  do you say that the anals? The anals?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: What's annals?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: We were just talking about journaling. Their podcast is essentially Morris,
• 1:13:40
  It's essentially they're essentially journaling for these guys that wouldn't
• 1:13:44
  that you know a lot of these guys that they've
• 1:13:46
  had on the show, and now I think and they
• 1:13:48
  are journalist. I'm gonna say this gently because like the
• 1:13:52
  early shows I feel like were more important because they
• 1:13:55
  were getting these old heads that are not going to
• 1:13:57
  be here married much longer they were, they were there there,
• 1:13:59
  and that was a per PRIs their shows, Like we
• 1:14:00
  need to put this down in some form of recording
• 1:14:04
  now now because these guys are going to die and
• 1:14:06
  they are because they're in their seventies, eighties, whatever. Now
• 1:14:09
  I think now they've shifted and have to because they've
• 1:14:11
  already talked to all the old hoods.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: They're also bringing in these type A alpha male personalities
• 1:14:17
  and putting them on the spot and asking yeah, tough question.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Well, and nothing about this is the negative. But like
• 1:14:22
  now they're shifting gears to where now they're talking to
• 1:14:24
  the current guys and the young guys and yeah, and
• 1:14:26
  and and but like you said, having somebody like Andy
• 1:14:29
  there who is respected by all the young guys and
• 1:14:32
  and has that reputation here and the older guys, he
• 1:14:35
  can put them on the spot. Yeah, ask some hard
• 1:14:37
  questions because he can back up his opinion with a
• 1:14:41
  whole lifetimes of experience and everything else. So I still
• 1:14:44
  like the show. But I think those early episodes, those
• 1:14:46
  early seasons, the early seasons, but the earlier episodes where
• 1:14:50
  we had all those those old timers and you're still
• 1:14:53
  puffs and you're like that ship, that's the stuff that's important.
• 1:14:56
  And I think that's the thing that they did that
• 1:14:59
  even if they're sh off and things don't, you know,
• 1:15:01
  things don't continue forever for that show that will always
• 1:15:05
  be there.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they can finish today and they've done their job.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: They've done the job.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I think their whole.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Point they don't was to curate, was to curate something.
• 1:15:13
  I don't think they ever went about it as something
• 1:15:15
  they envisioned running for years and years and years. I
• 1:15:18
  think they honestly wanted to curate a collection of conversations
• 1:15:21
  with these legends of that sport well and have.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: That totally and what is it just as important to
• 1:15:28
  maybe go to Montana and why talk. Yeah, I know
• 1:15:32
  it's not as like savage and like war mentality that
• 1:15:36
  Saltwater is, but there's still stories to be bad and
• 1:15:39
  I would imagine that's still important, and.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: Eventually they have enjoy that and I think they hopefully
• 1:15:47
  will branch out into that. And I don't know this
• 1:15:50
  all where savager, but like I feel like it has
• 1:15:53
  a certain element though it has some savagery. I feel
• 1:15:56
  like salt water still has that element of you know,
• 1:16:00
  it's so hard now, and it's getting harder and harder
• 1:16:03
  and harder the more we we go. But it's hard.
• 1:16:05
  It's so hard to find that element of I don't know,
• 1:16:07
  I say, like adventure, right, yeah, even like really what
• 1:16:10
  used to be really remote places, like going to Bolivia
• 1:16:12
  to catch dorado. While I still see that as a
• 1:16:16
  very remote, it doesn't feel as remote because so many
• 1:16:18
  people do it and you see it on Instagram Papa
• 1:16:20
  Old Guinea or Papa Old Guinea, all that, all that,
• 1:16:25
  all that stuff like it used to seems so and
• 1:16:29
  it's it's it's a problem with like technology, we're all
• 1:16:32
  we all every time I know my algorithm, every time
• 1:16:34
  I open Instagram, at least daily, I see somebody catch
• 1:16:37
  a dorado and a creek and it's always see a
• 1:16:40
  black mass and Papa Old Guinea or I see yeah
• 1:16:43
  or air. But these things used to be like yeah,
• 1:16:46
  I used to or these things that used to be
• 1:16:47
  like such fucking remote places. But somehow the act of
• 1:16:52
  even though it's not remote, the act of getting on
• 1:16:54
  a flatboat and going out into salt water or going
• 1:16:57
  out on the ocean, or even if it's in the
• 1:16:58
  Florida Keys or the every glad or somewhere that's really
• 1:17:00
  well fished and really well understood, there's still that element
• 1:17:04
  of the unknown, right Like whereas like rivers, you know,
• 1:17:07
  guys that fish the same river every day, like they
• 1:17:10
  know every ripple, they over rock, they know, Oh you guys,
• 1:17:12
  steer to the left at this bank and that bank.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 12: Wow.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: It's still cool and I still love all that, it
• 1:17:18
  doesn't have that same element of like the fucking unknown.
• 1:17:20
  When you launched the ramp, you put her up on plane,
• 1:17:22
  start rolling, the fuck's gonna happen and you don't know
• 1:17:25
  what You don't know what's out there, you don't know
• 1:17:26
  what's gonna come in. You're on the ocean, man, any day,
• 1:17:29
  something weird can happen, and so like, yeah, so I
• 1:17:32
  feel like it often does it does? Yeah, And I
• 1:17:34
  feel like so I feel like that was why I
• 1:17:36
  feel like that was so popular and had the vibe
• 1:17:40
  that it had was was that element of adventure. And yeah,
• 1:17:43
  saltwater also carries those personalities with it because the guys
• 1:17:46
  that want that are usually a little alpha bro ish.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's definitely more of an element, Yeah, of
• 1:17:54
  somewhat interest when the saw guys, for sure.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you can only listen to guys talk
• 1:17:59
  about the difference between five and six x so long.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: You think it's always gonna be like that down there,
• 1:18:05
  it's always gonna be.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: I think it will. I think it's self perpetuating, Yeah,
• 1:18:08
  because I mean, I feel like the young guys are
• 1:18:10
  learning from the old guys. And and and honestly too.
• 1:18:13
  The more crowded it gets, and the more busy it gets,
• 1:18:15
  and the harder it gets for those guys to find
• 1:18:17
  their own spot, find their own turf, the more defensive
• 1:18:21
  they're gonna get over what they do have or what
• 1:18:23
  they do fish and what they do find. They're they're
• 1:18:25
  gonna buckle down, double.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Down, you know.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: And that's I don't know, mad at them, but you know,
• 1:18:30
  not your boy, It don't come at me with that ship.
• 1:18:32
  I'm here fishing man.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's interesting to people who have said that They
• 1:18:38
  honestly believe some of the overfishing that are the the
• 1:18:43
  pressure that's been applied to certain like traditionally like legendary
• 1:18:47
  fisheries like hum the Sassa and places around the Keys,
• 1:18:51
  they honestly believe it has had an effect on the
• 1:18:54
  migration and push those fish into places they might not
• 1:18:57
  have gone.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: So maybe that pressure is going to create new fisheries.
• 1:19:02
  I don't know could, but I would.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not a fisheries biologist, but.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what could have happened to all those
• 1:19:08
  thousands of tarpin that used to come into homosas that
• 1:19:10
  aren't there anywhere? They're just going off shore. No, they're
• 1:19:12
  going somewhere.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I don't know. And you know, like
• 1:19:16
  was apple Achicola always great or is it just recently?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the thing is like I don't know any
• 1:19:22
  of those answers, and they're tracking these fish and they're
• 1:19:24
  showing them off shore and they're showing all yeah, I mean,
• 1:19:26
  they're still good numbers of tarp and it's not like
• 1:19:28
  how far offshore do they get? They go hundreds of miles,
• 1:19:31
  So they did, Yeah, they congregate out there in big
• 1:19:33
  schools and things like that.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: So they're having like a sexual tornado.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the BT. It's like so for for example, here,
• 1:19:39
  like we get the tarpin here in the summer, right,
• 1:19:41
  and so your brain would say, oh, they migrate up
• 1:19:43
  the coast, right, Yeah, they don't. They come. Our fish
• 1:19:47
  talking to some of the guys that have worked with
• 1:19:48
  BTT up in Georgetown tragged fish just north of us, right,
• 1:19:52
  and what they found is those fish go vertically in
• 1:19:55
  and out from the Gulf stream vertically or vertically horizontally.
• 1:19:58
  So they're coming in. They're coming in from the golf stream. Okay,
• 1:20:01
  do their thing here. They feed, they hang out for
• 1:20:03
  a couple months, and then they go right back out
• 1:20:05
  to the Gulf stream. They don't. I mean now whether
• 1:20:07
  they come up and down the Gulf stream from Florida,
• 1:20:09
  I don't know. Yeah, I don't have that answer, but
• 1:20:12
  I do know like we always assumed they were just
• 1:20:14
  sliding up the coast, just working their way up along
• 1:20:17
  the way they would you would think they would, right,
• 1:20:19
  But no, our fish actually come in from way out offshore,
• 1:20:23
  come straight in, turn around, go right back out. So
• 1:20:25
  like guys that have been tagging them and stuff have
• 1:20:27
  you know figured that out. What does that mean?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not fucking fisheries biologis, just like I said, But
• 1:20:33
  it is cool. That changes my perception of how these
• 1:20:36
  fish are migrating, you know, very much.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: So here's a question for you guys. Do you think, like,
• 1:20:42
  you know, if you think about the last like twelve.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: To fifteen years, you know, when we were really you know.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Even back when we were more aggressively pursuing this stuff
• 1:20:52
  and you were hearing about places and new emerging fisheries,
• 1:20:57
  do you think maybe there's something we haven't hearn about
• 1:21:00
  that's going on right now.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, like there's some hot spot that no one's
• 1:21:06
  talking about, and maybe they've gotten that much better at
• 1:21:09
  keeping it quiet.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I bet though more so the new
• 1:21:14
  location X more so than that.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: I bet.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: I bet there's a bunch of young dudes that are
• 1:21:18
  finding ship out that there bunch that a bunch of
• 1:21:21
  old heads already know about and haven't been Yeah, and
• 1:21:25
  there are a bunch of young dudes out there discovering
• 1:21:27
  fisheries that have been well discovered for a long time. Yeah. Sure,
• 1:21:31
  But that's that is cyclical, right, Like you know, you're
• 1:21:34
  me thinking about.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Mike Abel and those Sandy Ster like they knew tailing
• 1:21:38
  redfish long before.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: And you have these like these generations I guess where Yeah,
• 1:21:44
  you had those guys doing it, but they were doing
• 1:21:46
  back in the eighties. Yeah, and the nineties when nobody
• 1:21:49
  had Instagrams and ship. You know, you only knew it
• 1:21:51
  if you went out there and did it. And then
• 1:21:53
  you have like, I'm as guilty as anybody. You're making
• 1:21:57
  videos and ship you know.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah you are.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: It was all used, so you have like then you
• 1:22:02
  have our our generation or whatever you wanna call it,
• 1:22:05
  our little wave where we had this whole like group
• 1:22:07
  of guys that were out there doing it hard and
• 1:22:09
  promoting it and being like, oh, we're But even then
• 1:22:12
  I always had an understanding like I knew saying the personally.
• 1:22:14
  I knew my cable, I knew these guys. I was like,
• 1:22:17
  I'm literally learning from these old guys. Like I didn't
• 1:22:19
  invent any of this stuff. We just had a way
• 1:22:21
  to share it. But it is fun now to watch
• 1:22:24
  these young kids that are learning it and they're like
• 1:22:26
  it's a whole new but they're they're the way they
• 1:22:28
  talk about.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: It, they're secrets.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: All of this, like you know, and it's it's fun
• 1:22:36
  to watch them get excited about it. I don't want
• 1:22:37
  to take.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Any thing happened a couple weeks ago.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you haven't seen the worms hatchment?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Wait what we have March? Because March thirtieth.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: They went off all the instagram blew up and the.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Water were still clear. Wait you mean here in Charleston? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:51
  where did I've never seen the fish, dude and crazy.
• 1:22:56
  I've heard me and they.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: I've seen trout busting them in the morning. Yeah, there
• 1:23:00
  I'm knocking out. I've seen them get eight.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Aren't they re? Gray?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Kind of they're a little they're not quite as rare
• 1:23:06
  sandy brown. Yeah, they're green, they're not as bright as
• 1:23:10
  like the poles. Yeah, they're they're cousins, they're they're not directing.
• 1:23:16
  But I've never really i mean, all right, first off,
• 1:23:18
  redfish eat worms, like there are at worms. They suck
• 1:23:21
  those things down the goats. But yeah, to think that
• 1:23:24
  the worm hatch turns fish on, I've never correlated that.
• 1:23:26
  I've seen lots of worm hatches correlating it with red
• 1:23:29
  fish getting weird. I don't I've never seen that, but
• 1:23:32
  it got to be an Instagram thing for man. I
• 1:23:34
  was like, okay, cool, there's.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I really am out of the loop because I didn't
• 1:23:37
  see any Yeah, it was it was, it.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Was out there. But yeah, it's like I said at
• 1:23:42
  the same time, not like I don't want to be
• 1:23:44
  the old grumpy guy because like these kids are. I'm
• 1:23:46
  really happy that they're getting after it and they're going
• 1:23:48
  at it.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you you were painting your house.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: While they were out there saving lives in the hospital
• 1:23:55
  and painting your house.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys are out there chasing worms. I'd much
• 1:23:58
  rather be out there talking about worm But yeah, it's
• 1:24:02
  it's it's fun, man, It's but it isn't. And I'm
• 1:24:04
  certain that every fishery is the same, like this is
• 1:24:06
  our little lit b you know bios like the Keys
• 1:24:10
  is the same. You know, you just have these waves,
• 1:24:13
  these generations that replace each other. But I think that
• 1:24:16
  to circle it all back, that's where something like Andy
• 1:24:19
  Mills podcast is so important because it doesn't let that
• 1:24:23
  that previous generation be forgotten. Right, Like, like nobody in
• 1:24:27
  the Keys now or South Florida in general, can ever say,
• 1:24:31
  you know, like they didn't know about these dudes, right, No.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Those recordings are forever, you know. And I mean even
• 1:24:37
  the guys at Meat Eater have been trying to do
• 1:24:39
  that with like deer hunting and turkey hunting. Yeah, they've
• 1:24:41
  been trying to kind of you know, catalog that and say, look,
• 1:24:44
  let's preserve it while these guys are alive, yeah, because
• 1:24:48
  they won't be forever.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: Well, but I mean, and then think about like just
• 1:24:51
  in your own life, like, you know, the way you
• 1:24:53
  may be viewed fishing and resources and things as a
• 1:24:56
  younger person, right, and the way now I'm forty. I
• 1:24:59
  just turned four this year. I'm forty. Now, the way
• 1:25:02
  I view fishing and the way I view you know,
• 1:25:06
  the resources around me, The way I see things is
• 1:25:08
  much different than it was when I was twenty. Sure,
• 1:25:11
  and you know, so I feel like maybe if they
• 1:25:14
  have their ears home, because young dudes don't tend to
• 1:25:16
  listen to anybody, but if they do listen, you know,
• 1:25:20
  if they yeah, if they do listen, like at least
• 1:25:21
  they got some of these guys telling them, you know,
• 1:25:24
  like hey, look, you know, this is how it used
• 1:25:26
  to be and this is the way we treated it.
• 1:25:29
  And it it killed it and this is what it
• 1:25:31
  is now we're trying to bring it back. And sometimes
• 1:25:32
  all these fishes are getting better now. But like maybe
• 1:25:35
  maybe they don't make the same mistakes twice as what
• 1:25:37
  I'm getting out, Like maybe they can get if they listen,
• 1:25:40
  maybe they get a leg up on like how to
• 1:25:43
  better view the resource, better use the resource, better be
• 1:25:46
  a steward of the resource then than we were and
• 1:25:49
  then like the previous generations to us were. So yeah,
• 1:25:52
  I'm hoping that that it has that effect. I think
• 1:25:54
  it should. But yeah, so good on andy them. You know,
• 1:25:58
  that's a big deal.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people that I think
• 1:26:02
  I'm personally incredibly proud of, like Benny Blanco.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: People like that he does so du he's he doesn't
• 1:26:10
  sleep dude, he's for good. And the captain are clean
• 1:26:13
  water dudes, like yeah, you better not hold a meeting
• 1:26:16
  about anything to do with water. Be there with a
• 1:26:19
  microphone like hey, yeah, I heard you just talking about water.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they do awesome too, And it's yeah, you
• 1:26:25
  need guys like that.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: You need an annoying that in your face all the time,
• 1:26:29
  like you ain't gonna do nothing about me putting you on.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Blast and they have had something slipped through the cracks,
• 1:26:34
  but most of it they've stopped a lot of it,
• 1:26:36
  and every now and then something happens that I don't
• 1:26:39
  think they have the ability to stop. Some of these
• 1:26:41
  flows are so there's too much money, there's too much power.
• 1:26:44
  But they've made a difference in a lot of the
• 1:26:46
  stuff now actually has to go through certain channels for
• 1:26:49
  it to pass. Instead of it just being yeah, I
• 1:26:51
  pass that, dude.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: And slide it under a back door, you got to
• 1:26:57
  go through an open channel where see what you're playing.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: The microscope is out now.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: You mentioned it earlier when you were talking about Larry's backyard.
• 1:27:04
  I mean that turtle grass doesn't just come back quickly
• 1:27:07
  for no reason. Yeah, yeah, it's not an accident. Lots
• 1:27:10
  a lot of people that love and give a shit.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, can you imagine, like our Spartana
• 1:27:16
  grass is dying and oh yeah yeah, didn't have grass
• 1:27:19
  to tail in anymore, and they'd probably still be tailing,
• 1:27:22
  but it would look dramatically different.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: They would just go yeah, I mean, and they probably
• 1:27:26
  would abandon and find something else.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: So we did this podcast with Hilton and Rick Sustainable
• 1:27:32
  Angler thing. And Hilton has this really cool quote that's
• 1:27:34
  at the beginning of one of his films, and he
• 1:27:37
  was talking about like, you know, you can't have the
• 1:27:39
  things above the water line without the health of the
• 1:27:42
  water being whatever. That's great, and the same thing goes
• 1:27:45
  for you can't have what's in the water beat healthy
• 1:27:47
  if the stuff above it. But he you know, he
• 1:27:50
  said this quote, which I love. It's we do not
• 1:27:54
  inherit our land from our ancestors. We borrow it from
• 1:27:58
  our children.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Borrow that's right.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: That's if you think about like, that's like it gives
• 1:28:04
  me chills to think about, like, because so many people
• 1:28:07
  grow up thinking, my family left me this land, and
• 1:28:11
  I'm gonna take as many bash and catfish and crumpy
• 1:28:13
  out of this lake as I want to because my
• 1:28:15
  parents left it for me.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Well no, you're actually borrowing it from your kids, like
• 1:28:19
  your kid's ability to do that away from them exactly.
• 1:28:22
  That's a really yeah.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I got I've got a daughter, now
• 1:28:26
  I've got another one on the way, uh in September. Yeah,
• 1:28:31
  but I get and everybody to make that money, yeah exactly.
• 1:28:34
  But but I don't give a ship. My daughters are
• 1:28:36
  going fishing. They're gonna spend a lot of time on
• 1:28:38
  the flatboat because if you hang out with dad, that's
• 1:28:40
  what we do. But I like to think that my
• 1:28:43
  daughters will be able to see and enjoy the things.
• 1:28:46
  I mean, everything's changed a lot since I've been down
• 1:28:49
  here and it but I'll tell you this though, as
• 1:28:51
  much as people like to bitch and moan about it,
• 1:28:53
  you know, I can still go out and spend a
• 1:28:56
  whole day on the water and barely see anybody if
• 1:28:58
  I want to.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it is not.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: That hard for me to just you can I go
• 1:29:01
  to my you know, can I go to the premo
• 1:29:04
  place that I want? No, But I know just as
• 1:29:07
  many that are not, you know, on the line. And
• 1:29:10
  and you know, the older I get, the more I
• 1:29:12
  like seeing new ship, the more I like to look
• 1:29:15
  at the less.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: You look at my chart.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I've caught I've caught my fish.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Like I do want to catch them.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: I still really want to touch them.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Usually when you're running into something that was like, oh,
• 1:29:25
  this is the new premo place.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Exactly, But like the thing is, like I get so
• 1:29:29
  much more joy out of now, Like I'll go out
• 1:29:31
  days like by myself and I literally just drive around
• 1:29:33
  and go up a creek because I want to see
• 1:29:34
  where that creek goes, like if I see it on
• 1:29:37
  my charter, I see it on a thing, like I
• 1:29:38
  wonder what it looks like up there, because like it
• 1:29:40
  looks all right, but then you get up there and
• 1:29:41
  most of the time not and alf percent of the
• 1:29:42
  time it's yeah, it's like that doesn't look right, or
• 1:29:45
  it's and you're like the power fish not in here,
• 1:29:47
  yeah you know, or they're not there. But like me
• 1:29:49
  and Ben last year, we went out on a day
• 1:29:50
  and I was like, look, I've an eyeball on the spot.
• 1:29:52
  And the spot was like you can only get in
• 1:29:54
  there on a certain tide with the certain type of weather,
• 1:29:58
  like it like involved running in the ocean to get
• 1:30:00
  into the spot. And so I was like, today's the
• 1:30:03
  day we can get in there. I was like, I
• 1:30:04
  don't know if it's gonna be fucking worth our time
• 1:30:06
  or not, but we can get in there, and I want.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: To go see what it looks like.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: And so we did, and we slid in this place
• 1:30:11
  and dude, we got a one little pocket flat in
• 1:30:13
  there that was like the old days we saw and
• 1:30:17
  one little tide, we saw twenty thirty tails. Or right,
• 1:30:21
  we saw twentyir thirty tails we caught we caught one
• 1:30:25
  or two here we hopped out of the boat. At
• 1:30:28
  one point we hopped out of the boat. At one point.
• 1:30:30
  I was doing the old like I said, Like in
• 1:30:32
  the old day, I was like, any mean, yeah, really
• 1:30:34
  I'm going to fish that one and then you know,
• 1:30:37
  but we had a really nice morning, saw a ship
• 1:30:39
  ton of fish. Nobody in there. Of course, like I said,
• 1:30:42
  I haven't been back because once again, yeah, they have
• 1:30:45
  to have the right wind, and they have to have
• 1:30:46
  the right water level and all the shipping you can
• 1:30:48
  get in there. So but like that was one of
• 1:30:51
  those that paid off where I was like and all
• 1:30:53
  I really cared about was like, I want to see
• 1:30:55
  what it looks like in there, Like I I've started
• 1:30:57
  doing that more than anything else. And everyone' whll yeah
• 1:30:59
  you stumble ca you know, a couple of fish, But
• 1:31:01
  like I just I just want to go see ship
• 1:31:03
  Like I just want to see that creek or that
• 1:31:06
  flat or that whatever.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Paul, do the guys like van Zant and galer Owen
• 1:31:10
  Gaylor do they have.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: The same experience in like port O'Connor.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Is that the same experience they have, you know, are
• 1:31:16
  they are they feeling the same thing that we were
• 1:31:19
  talking about with their fishery.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I think when they have those those big tournaments, like, yeah, tournaments,
• 1:31:27
  U JT has become a little bit more vocal. I
• 1:31:30
  wouldn't say protests is the word, but he's not super
• 1:31:33
  happy when two hundred people show on the same weekend.
• 1:31:37
  It doesn't mean brachos, it's all the tournaments they have, those.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Tournament.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree that that's probably not the best
• 1:31:44
  thing for the health of that fishery, and but.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: It could probably handle the pressure better than our fisher Yeah.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's more like a lot of a lot
• 1:31:51
  of the people are showing up to check him, but
• 1:31:53
  they're driving another one hundred miles to actually fish, like
• 1:31:56
  and fifty horsepower motors. Yeah, and they're all they're alsoiler
• 1:32:00
  into I'll take one, Michael, you're if you're getting I
• 1:32:04
  I am actually gonna go in.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll fall you is so oh, No, it's fine.
• 1:32:10
  I think we can take a break.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, let's let's prepare for the break. Let's take
• 1:32:14
  a break. Well, now you guys all know we're doing.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, sorry, we got watered up.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: Now we got a water So this this is a
• 1:32:21
  total just like a rant song I did. Okay, I
• 1:32:26
  did it literally right before you guys got here, so
• 1:32:29
  let's not take it too seriously. I started just messing around,
• 1:32:33
  all right. This isn't Douce Canoe, is it? That's my
• 1:32:36
  favorite nurse the best.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: If you step foot on my boat, I don't know
• 1:32:42
  what I'm gonna do.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, Captain Brock.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 13: Good chances your phone in the water too. On top
• 1:32:57
  of that, maybe probably have gunshot wound. If you step food.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: On my food, I don't know what I do.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: That's the thing about, like what would I do with that?
• 1:33:13
  You wrong?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: But I don't care if you going on my food,
• 1:33:17
  least not from now.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: And I hit the throttle and that dude would be
• 1:33:21
  in the water. Hopefully it's fast.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: I'm imagine what goes through the mind.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Get handle alone somehow? Anyway, it kind of starts raining out,
• 1:33:33
  All right, what would I do?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: I think I know what you done.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Had to find somewhere to bury that guy's body.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: Totally eleven eighty.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 9: He's normally use a much larger steel saw. The three
• 1:33:50
  weaves thirty five tons, the's angways ten and a half pounds.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: A pretty good cat forever.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for a.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 9: Team sauce, you can tackle a penny all false the one.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: When I started dipping Kodyaks made my friend here real
• 1:34:11
  happy because it's his brand.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 9: Now it's my brand too good and more so, a
• 1:34:17
  special cut and packs right, and it's got a big
• 1:34:20
  fresh winter green flavor.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: But don't take my word for it.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: Just ask my friend here.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 14: He really got away with words.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want it.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to know what that costs.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it costs.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: But you know what I do know.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: I know the sound that makes when it takes a
• 1:34:46
  man's life.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: No, I know I can't afford it, That's what I mean.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I know the sound that makes when it empties my
• 1:34:55
  bank account.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: I know the sound my wife's gonna make it. Did
• 1:35:00
  you say so sick?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's so slick?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Work just devil scratched my hand?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: I need nose?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Is John Booker on that base new horse?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: Something wrong with me?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: I speaking? Oh the crowds getting a little loud. I
• 1:36:16
  came in hot, I came in no more whiskey for them.
• 1:36:19
  Sorry I cut at the end of the off. Hell
• 1:36:21
  little bandito, little little local band.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Pretty good, good barbecue. Yeah it smells like.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Uh So, I got a couple of just events like
• 1:36:36
  update things going on. So all right, we're not we're
• 1:36:41
  not overheating. We're looking good. Look at this, Yeah, look
• 1:36:43
  at that. Uh So this coming weekend I'm going to
• 1:36:46
  Brunswick on the fly outfitters. They're having like a little
• 1:36:49
  event things. Yeah there was a flash. Jared, Yeah, Jared Vincent,
• 1:36:55
  those guys cool.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: I finished a tournament out of bruns one time. Well
• 1:36:59
  that black no, but I almost won.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 14: It was a kayak.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: It was a kayak tournament out of Jacksonville, but the
• 1:37:08
  northern end of the tournament allowed you to fish up
• 1:37:10
  to I forget which river, but it runs up range
• 1:37:13
  and I had actually fished there before. So down there
• 1:37:16
  I was one. I was hair like a couple of
• 1:37:20
  inches shy. I went and the whole tournament for the slam,
• 1:37:23
  I was a flounder, red fish, and trout. And there's
• 1:37:26
  four hundred boats in that tournament. I play second out.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: Of four hundred.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: You better hope you catch the founder first. Could you
• 1:37:32
  imagine having the trout and the red fish.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: And trying to get the flounder.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: The trout was my problem. That would I had the
• 1:37:37
  flounder and I had the red fish the trout. I
• 1:37:39
  caught a trout, but it was not a good trout.
• 1:37:41
  If I'd caught a decent trout, I had a hard
• 1:37:43
  time catching the trout. But I caught everything but the trout.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't know how to go target the flounder. Yeah,
• 1:37:52
  no water. What do you say, shallow water?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's how you target that old sneaky flat fish.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, rubber lip ginger back. Those are the days, aren't they?
• 1:38:10
  The old days?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: The old days got the old days.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be in I'll be on the James River
• 1:38:17
  though in a couple of days. Hold on this event,
• 1:38:21
  old blank chocolate from the James Rivers coming down really
• 1:38:24
  uh So in Brunswick if you're around, this will come
• 1:38:27
  out tomorrow probably if you're around the Brunswick Gary, you
• 1:38:30
  probably already heard about it. But it's gonna be a
• 1:38:32
  good time. I think Saturday night there we're going to
• 1:38:35
  a theater, uh to see the I four International film, Paul.
• 1:38:39
  I think it's called a theatra. The tear. Okay, we're
• 1:38:45
  doing the International fly Fish and Film Festival.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, a lot of fs is that I f t D.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: That's the one that our film is in the Hilton made,
• 1:38:56
  So they're going to be showing that. Not a hard film, buddy,
• 1:38:58
  that's your well, I'm it was a collective. It's our film,
• 1:39:02
  it belongs to us, not one. Well he was in it.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't get the call. No, it's fine, my feelings. Uh.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: And then later on in the month, like April April
• 1:39:16
  twenty fifth, playing Chocolate again is involved in around Carter
• 1:39:21
  Andrews's ranch, nice fly Tires like event that Scottie d
• 1:39:26
  is going to be going down there as well, and
• 1:39:28
  it's that really cool. It's gonna be fun. Yeah. And
• 1:39:31
  I'm gonna set up little art thing sure. And they're
• 1:39:34
  doing like a jack tournament someday, which is interesting to me.
• 1:39:37
  I'm find like a jacks tournament sounds cool.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Jack is there. Jacks are way underrated.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: I love jack.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: If you just want to fight something, they're always willing
• 1:39:45
  to fight. Yeah, that's that's the angry guy in the
• 1:39:47
  corner of the bar that's just waiting for you to
• 1:39:49
  fuck up.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you can't. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes he's picky.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: They can be picky, but once they decide it's all.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: It's ugly. Even when you get the small one, you're
• 1:40:00
  little dude. Yeah.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: I've always like I've amber Jack's big Jack rebell whatever.
• 1:40:06
  After like one, you're done, You're like if if you
• 1:40:09
  you get one, you're like, I don't, I don't need
• 1:40:11
  to do that anymore.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: That was a lot.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: I had somebody one time, the Salty mics go, you
• 1:40:15
  ever catch one of them jet Cravellis, He's like, hell,
• 1:40:20
  I thought it was a permit.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing for I hate to break all
• 1:40:25
  your hearts out there for the purists.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: But they are related. Is just a jack. It's a jack.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: Jacket likes to get shallow.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: That's really snotty.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Well, the last time, last time we were down in Mexico,
• 1:40:37
  the guys were starting to tell us to be more
• 1:40:39
  aggressive with the stripping, and likely they're starting to remember.
• 1:40:43
  They're knitting to themselves that they are jacks.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Everyone remember that they're a jack. That's why I like
• 1:40:47
  everyone's you hear people catch them on random weird ship
• 1:40:51
  and if.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: You have old ginger with it like the fish like
• 1:40:53
  but if you like start taking it away.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, and that's all they get. Like it's like
• 1:40:57
  they got that DNA and them like like they're all
• 1:41:00
  fine and proper and like and they're all they've they've
• 1:41:03
  learned to like caviar and a white tablecloth. But every
• 1:41:06
  once while somebody looks at them the wrong They're like, motherfucker, you.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Won't go outside.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: Listen, I tell I tell the story all the time.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: No one believes me.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: I saw somebody just huck a coota tube and I
• 1:41:20
  saw one of those things come out of a ditch
• 1:41:22
  on the side of.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: And charge a cooded tibe.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: I can I can tell you about five guys that
• 1:41:28
  I know off the top of my head that I've
• 1:41:29
  talked to personally. They have caught multiple permit on tarpinflies
• 1:41:34
  like fishing for tarp hooked it at him and like
• 1:41:36
  twitched and had them come up with his murder of war,
• 1:41:39
  murder of a toe I've ever seen on a tarp fly.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Well, like in that tarpin show that just came out
• 1:41:45
  and it was all h D and all that stuff
• 1:41:47
  I watched, I had.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: The ones throwing them on the spikes Garrison bike.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: So those permits are huge.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: If you were just that scene maybe a big jack. Yeah,
• 1:41:58
  that scene made.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Me, No, it's to watch it.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: I kind of don't really watch this well that I
• 1:42:02
  love the I love the like twenty year old kid
• 1:42:04
  working the head was Runnerund'm beating the ship out of Yeah,
• 1:42:09
  he says, like hammer and fishing with the boke about it.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: That's why I never got on PBS because PBS told
• 1:42:15
  it was to edit that out, and he said, I'm
• 1:42:17
  not editing it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: That's like part of that's part of the whole. Yeah,
• 1:42:21
  that's why sat for thirty years. And you know what
• 1:42:23
  it is, honestly like it honestly is a little bit violent, disturbing.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Even watching from now, very disturbing.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: And and this is from a guy who's beat a
• 1:42:33
  couple of fish to death with a bat, like I've
• 1:42:34
  done it. Like I mean, these people we were like
• 1:42:36
  kids in the nineties when we were off for fishing
• 1:42:38
  the Bahamas. That was that was part of your fishing
• 1:42:40
  year was.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: A bat, Mike. I believe you.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: I remember when you beat that guy with.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: But like when they showed Ronda over there just laughing.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: And that kid like skips like he does like a
• 1:42:52
  skip and a hot like yeah, and Ron is like,
• 1:42:58
  if you look, you can see the blood ladder in
• 1:43:00
  the wall inside him, Like, I mean, he's beating this.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: It's probably one of those like game and you think
• 1:43:06
  this is a game. Yeah.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: The first time I saw that, I was like, goddamn,
• 1:43:10
  as somebody who's done it. I'm like, he thinks like
• 1:43:12
  he's enjoying it too much, Like it feels uncomfortable to
• 1:43:15
  watch him beat this.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: Totally. The event at Carter Andrews is placing me be fun.
• 1:43:26
  I think it's called Fly Fly tie Fest or something,
• 1:43:29
  and it's gonna be kind of like a a homage
• 1:43:31
  to Lefty. I think there's a film coming out about
• 1:43:34
  left E that I haven't seen yet. I don't think
• 1:43:36
  it's like only in theaters now, supposedly don't. I don't
• 1:43:38
  know it's out, but there's viewing of that. The Sarah
• 1:43:42
  always I say, Tuesdayskeuler and theater. Get hell for that.
• 1:43:48
  Those are three hot words.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: Mine is all foil, coal, anything with that oil and
• 1:43:54
  my vernacular.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Is all you know, you have a vernacular.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, it's oil. I'm like, it's it's oil.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Say it's oil oil.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: It should that's look. But Appolachi is a old, full
• 1:44:07
  cool you know, like all those things.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Being a true Southerner, we really don't include you guys
• 1:44:12
  in Texas and North Carolina.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: That's true, Like like Annabellum South is Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama,
• 1:44:22
  South Carolina, but only coastal South Carolina. But Appalachia is
• 1:44:25
  its only a whole. Texas is its own thing.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: There's the South, there's Wyoming. And became buddies with all
• 1:44:31
  these Southerners, Like where are you from?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: I go South? Where where was state Texas? That ain't
• 1:44:36
  South South? That's Texas, whole of Texas my whole life.
• 1:44:42
  I thought I was a Southern until I met Southerners.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: It could be worse. At least Texas is Texas.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: Like Arkansas and Missouri. They just live in no man's land. Yeah,
• 1:44:52
  they're nothing like nobody there. Appalachian too, No, they're not there.
• 1:44:56
  That's it's a whole diver mountains. No it is.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: You're right, there's a whole different mountain range that's their
• 1:45:03
  whole thing because it's likely connected.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, you view them as Southerners the way they talk,
• 1:45:07
  where they act, But like they're not.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: They're just this weird thing. They're beast pro people. Yeah,
• 1:45:14
  what's that city? What's the town in Missouri where U?
• 1:45:17
  Saint Louis.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: Kansas City?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: Well, what's funny about Saint Louis Kansas City. They're right
• 1:45:25
  on the edge of the state, the only city. Yeah,
• 1:45:28
  it's like the state like just pushed them out, like
• 1:45:30
  this is where y'all can be. And one of them
• 1:45:32
  aren't even named for you. Wait, what is the name
• 1:45:35
  that the guy that started uh in East St. Louis State?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's his name?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: But the best beast pressure guy, Johnny Moore, Johnny Morris?
• 1:45:45
  And what city in Missouri is that? Do you want
• 1:45:48
  to say street war? But that ain't that's losing.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Can't remember.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: I can't remember it was Uh, I'll probably say it
• 1:45:57
  before this thing by.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: Branson, Missouri, by table Rock Lake, table Rock Lake. When
• 1:46:02
  you got like the lake of those are actually got
• 1:46:03
  all that ship down there, I.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Mean it's pretty, there's nothing wrong but beautiful.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: I learned the White River and all that did you
• 1:46:11
  That Miller light actually makes you, gives you more of
• 1:46:14
  a Southern accent.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: I think alcohol in general does that for me.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: It's coming out a little faster.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it digs, it digs down and finds my It
• 1:46:25
  tickles the right DNA spots.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: And I told you you love this. I can't believe
• 1:46:29
  you came with the back. Next time you're gonna be
• 1:46:32
  the cane fish pulling them back out. Yeah, speaking of
• 1:46:39
  I think I just got a text from this guy.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: He's out here, the author guy.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Yea Roger. Well, I just have to have him tell
• 1:46:45
  him it's you.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: Try to spell it or say it on wing Sting
• 1:46:50
  s Trier, Cleanston, but the g is silent, right, so
• 1:46:59
  so cleanting.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, alright, I got it, I got it.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: Let's uh yeah, let's get him in here.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: Get him he's out there.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, hey, Roger, why.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: Little handshake like a drenleman And how are you this?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Doug, Doug Douglas Douglas, sir, it's good to meet you.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: And Paul, Paul.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: We spoke over the internets.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've emailed back and forth.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, we've we've sent letters through the through the ethos.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: I started doing a little research on your books. I
• 1:47:35
  can't seem to find them a lot on the Internet
• 1:47:38
  or audible.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't pretend to understand the
• 1:47:44
  art world and how how one goes about making paintings
• 1:47:48
  and you know, uh, distributing them. But in the book world,
• 1:47:54
  one needs many hands to to make things available.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and in my line of work, as narrow as
• 1:48:03
  the subject matter maybe.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, fly fishing sometimes by fishing, good.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: By fishing books, particularly subjects around fly fishing at a
• 1:48:12
  written over three and fifty. The real point, Wow, you
• 1:48:17
  can find all of them on a little known.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 14: Amazon subset website.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, we can.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: We can send a link to to whatever sure internet
• 1:48:27
  device use. But yes, it's it's it's often hard to find.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 14: People to distribute said books when they're not mainstream enough.
• 1:48:36
  You know, I'm not out here writing the next Harry
• 1:48:39
  Potter anything.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: Well, Roger, did you have a background in like journal
• 1:48:45
  writing or any sort of other subject matter before you got.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 12: An small child, Paul, I always envisioned myself a storyteller.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 14: My parents would often ask me how did this poop
• 1:48:58
  get here?
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: Did you bets?
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 12: And I would say it was the elves and there
• 1:49:04
  would be the elves and I'm like, yes, from the
• 1:49:06
  dawn of time, and I would weave.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: A web story, had a creative mind.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 14: Always had a creative mind, I would. I always prefer
• 1:49:14
  to put said things down into writing once I was
• 1:49:16
  capable of making letters.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 12: And so it naturally befell upon me as as I
• 1:49:23
  grew older and discovered fishing and the glories of the outdoors. Yeah,
• 1:49:27
  of course I was going to put my mind in
• 1:49:30
  my letters to work for.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Well, where did you grow up fishing and learning how
• 1:49:33
  to fly fish?
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: Primarily I grew up in Vermont, Okay bat and kill
• 1:49:41
  the famous hollowed ground.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 14: I never fished any of those.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, there was.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 14: A creek beside my house full of chubs.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: That's That's where I fished.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 14: Primarily until I was a bit older, and then I
• 1:49:53
  traveled out west. I spent some time in Montana. Didn't
• 1:49:57
  fish while I was there, oddly enough, but.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: I did eventually find myself in the tail waters of
• 1:50:03
  eastern Tennessee, Okay, living in Atlanta, the Chattahoochee as known
• 1:50:09
  as the vernacular. Yeah, but fish some of the fine
• 1:50:13
  waters in northern Georgia with a large trout okay so
• 1:50:17
  quee as they call it.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 14: I believe that's a native term.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: But either way, well, Roger, I've done a little research
• 1:50:22
  on just kind of the some of your titles. It
• 1:50:25
  looks like you get out there and you leave the
• 1:50:27
  southern the southeast fisheries, if you will. And I've got
• 1:50:31
  a new it looks like you wrote this, and I
• 1:50:33
  was just curious I found this one. It looks like
• 1:50:35
  you wrote this in nineteen ninety one, yes, called the
• 1:50:38
  Microcurrents of the River Test.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 15: Yes, so, while on assignment for a small, long defunct
• 1:50:46
  magazine in England, at one point I did get to
• 1:50:49
  fish the famous Test chalk streaming.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's known as the King of all chalks dreams.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 14: Yes, yes, yes, the Brits are very proud of their
• 1:50:57
  kings and such.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: But they the shalk streams are of England, very much
• 1:51:03
  like the spring creaks of North America. Sure, correct, right, so,
• 1:51:09
  but they look very calm on the surface. But I
• 1:51:11
  noticed when flies.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 14: Were moving to the water they were very.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: Erratic, and the fishing was very tough. So I wrote
• 1:51:17
  an entire thousand.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 14: Page volume on the microcurrents that occur in this one
• 1:51:23
  particular chalk.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: I just assume that was maybe symbolism for something else.
• 1:51:27
  You literally wrote about microcurrent.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: Tale in detail on each beat because such rivers are
• 1:51:33
  divided into beats. In each beat, I talk about the
• 1:51:37
  interesting currents I was able to find there, hence the
• 1:51:40
  thousand pages into Wo would you find this book interesting?
• 1:51:44
  I find it, you know, invigorating, But someone not associated
• 1:51:51
  with the said test river may not.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: However, But you know, have you sold a lot of
• 1:51:56
  copies of it?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 14: I believe that volume sold three hundred copies?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: Actually, oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah it was.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: It was a surprise to me as well. That's you know,
• 1:52:05
  if you're going to if you're going to write boat books,
• 1:52:08
  I'm sorry about micro currents and particular streams. You better
• 1:52:11
  write a lot of books.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it's the three hundred and fifty books that I've written.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: Well, you must caught a lot of fish there.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: Oh no, actually I believe I caught one in the
• 1:52:24
  twenty years it took me to write there.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: So micro currents might really not be that important actually
• 1:52:28
  catching the fish.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: Perhaps not important to the fishing, but interesting nonetheless, Yeah,
• 1:52:34
  I mean.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to be said about No, it sounds super interesting.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: How did you adapt like the drift of your fly
• 1:52:41
  or the cast or the approach to the fish with
• 1:52:43
  the micro currents?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that I did, Doug.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 10: I believe I just kind of would flip things into
• 1:52:50
  the water and watch how they.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 14: Swirled and describe them with as much Okay, pretty is that?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's smive not. We're running out of time. I
• 1:52:58
  cover all these things.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: It's a very old book, Varius.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: We don't want to tell us about the foundation that
• 1:53:02
  This book is called The Foundations of the cork Handle
• 1:53:04
  and the history and foundation of the cork fly on handle,
• 1:53:08
  and well it's taken us to get to the cork
• 1:53:12
  technology of today.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: It's a long title. Well I didn't, I tried. Can
• 1:53:17
  I reread that again?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: The Foundations of the cork handle in the history of
• 1:53:23
  the cork fly on handle, in what it's taken for
• 1:53:27
  us to get to the court technology of today.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of It doesn't seem redundant if
• 1:53:33
  you don't understand the English language. However, it was necessary.
• 1:53:37
  I tried to shorten as.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Much as possible.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: But the end result of that book was every fly
• 1:53:43
  fisherman has their hand on a.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 14: Cork grip, unless you're buying shitty rods with but if
• 1:53:49
  you're fishing a real fly rod, there's cork involved.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 10: And I thought, why not tell the story of the cork.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Where does most of that cork come from?
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: Well, it's actually quite interesting, but yes, cork trees.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 14: There's a very large population of them in the Mediterranean,
• 1:54:03
  in Southeast Asia. But they actually interesting fact, they don't
• 1:54:07
  actually kill the.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 10: Cork tree to produce the cork. It's like a barclayer.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 14: They can strip it and they can utilize it, and
• 1:54:13
  the tree continues to produce more cork. If you read
• 1:54:17
  my book, you would already know what this is.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they tear if that I don't want
• 1:54:25
  to just talk about no, no, I just I'm just curious.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: However, I.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Thought, I thought, if if the thousands.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: And millions of men are touching cork, they may have
• 1:54:38
  an interest in where it comes from.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, it would. I've never even heard
• 1:54:42
  the words together cork technology.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 14: It's amazing how much has changed about how cork is produced.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Our coke is applied, al coq is shaped, the contour
• 1:54:54
  of I mean, look the cork.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: Look at your Look at your core collector you have
• 1:55:00
  you have a large selection of flower rods at the
• 1:55:02
  corner beside your paints.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: Very if you look at how the qulk is today.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is a modern cork handle.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 16: This looks like it came from the camander, perhaps a
• 1:55:12
  switch rod. But uh, if you if you look at
• 1:55:15
  the cork from your rods from the nineties and then
• 1:55:18
  you look at the cork from a rod from today,
• 1:55:20
  you are no many different options the cork. The cork
• 1:55:24
  itself is as a different composition, the shape of the handle.
• 1:55:28
  What is considered vogue, what is considered sure helpful has changed.
• 1:55:34
  It's quite interesting.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, hence I dedicated two thousand pages.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: You've got a few more titles here, Yeah, Doug, I'll
• 1:55:44
  give you. Do you want to hear about the book
• 1:55:46
  Salty Strong or The Godfathers of the Whip Finish, both
• 1:55:52
  salty classics. Oh, this is one of This is the
• 1:55:56
  preface I would like to hear about Salty Strong. The
• 1:55:58
  prefaces are looking today. Is into today's egotistical driven culture
• 1:56:03
  of America's Salt Water Angler and the Skiffsman. Yes, so ah,
• 1:56:08
  this is the more modern book. Of course, it's your
• 1:56:11
  latest book. Yeah it is.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 14: It just came out.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping it does well. But I'd like to look
• 1:56:16
  into the psychology behind what makes these small penis men and.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 10: Flats posts aside to be so aggressive.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, when they get on.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 14: Salt water, isn't the salt? Is it the salinity? Has
• 1:56:28
  the sun cooked their heads to the point to.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 12: Where they believe that they own something that they do
• 1:56:33
  not actually own.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: The water or the idea of where you can finish
• 1:56:37
  what drives.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 14: An individual to buy one hundred.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 10: Thousand dollars carbon fiber piece of boat right off into
• 1:56:46
  the flats and then.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 17: Tell another individual in a said expensive boat that they
• 1:56:50
  now can no longer fist there.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Because I am present and Roger, I didn't think I
• 1:56:55
  was gonna say this, but I'm fascinating.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 10: It does seem fascinating.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 11: I feel that we're seeing some sort of psychological derangement
• 1:57:04
  that no.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 10: One has taken the time to study.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: So so you pay money that means you get the
• 1:57:08
  fish exactly.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: Partly also, the louder and more aggressive you are. It
• 1:57:14
  goes all the way back in and in the book.
• 1:57:16
  In the book, I take us all the way back
• 1:57:18
  to our ancestors in Africa and Ape cousins, and we
• 1:57:22
  talk about the posturing and the and the beating of
• 1:57:25
  the chest as it were, that that has allowed human
• 1:57:28
  evolution and on always seeing another branch of human evolution
• 1:57:32
  or progression back to the Asian.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: Sure. Now, does this only pertain to fly fishermen or
• 1:57:37
  is it all? I believe it.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 11: Could be cross reference. Now, in my experience and in
• 1:57:41
  my writing, I only apply it to fly fishing, and
• 1:57:44
  I only apply it to this particular group of individuals. However,
• 1:57:48
  I do believe you could take some of this and
• 1:57:50
  apply it to other places.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: Absolutely decide for yourself.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: Are there characteristics that you that one could like IDENTI
• 1:58:00
  fi when in the wild quote unquote the wild of
• 1:58:04
  the fishing industry, could they identify certain characteristics that maybe
• 1:58:09
  are signs of this evolution of this strange behavior.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, I see where you're going with this.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: And in my observations I didn't note a few classic signs.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 10: Of these type of behaviors.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 17: Often if the said individual had more than one sticker, perhaps.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 14: On their boat or a rap with a particular brand.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, there shirt is it adorned with multiple patches?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Does it have a hood?
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Does it have a hood?
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: No, I guess a lot of people have the hoods.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 10: Now, more so I believe it's it is and it
• 1:58:50
  isn't the presence of other.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 14: People on the boat.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 17: So if there's one person on the tall end and
• 1:58:56
  one person on the front, and then another one's sitting,
• 1:58:59
  you can assume that person.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 10: Is probably not going to be friendly when you get close.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 17: If there is one person on the front, one person
• 1:59:06
  on the back, generally it's a fifty fifty shot right.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: Now, now, Roger, we got to we're kind of running
• 1:59:12
  out of time here. And if if you want to
• 1:59:15
  dive in later to the Godfather's finish, you can find
• 1:59:18
  that on Audible and any other like. Yes, I myself
• 1:59:22
  read that on audible, and I'm curious the forefathers of
• 1:59:26
  the fly time practice that has used eighty percent of
• 1:59:28
  the time to finish off a fly I was interested.
• 1:59:31
  That's interesting.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: You got that that that everyone is interested in the designers,
• 1:59:36
  but no one is interested.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 14: In how you finished.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: So one more little note. You texted me that you're
• 1:59:40
  working on a new autobiography. Yes, uh and uh Richard keso.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: Richard kaso, yes, an unlikely? Uh?
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Can I have a book? Yes?
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard Kso.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: He's doing the forward. I wrote the forward for Richard's autobiography.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: And that's where we're going going with this, but Richard
• 2:00:01
  k so I reached He reached out to me because
• 2:00:03
  apparently he had read many of my books, where he
• 2:00:04
  said he had at least used them for purposes. Richard
• 2:00:09
  did a lot like he used them to line raccoon cages.
• 2:00:12
  But I assume he read them. I assume he read
• 2:00:16
  them before he used them them to line his raccoon cages.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 17: But either way, uh, Me and Richard sat down, had
• 2:00:23
  many conversations, and yes, I wrote the.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: Forward for his book, and I'm excited to see how
• 2:00:27
  it turns out. I did not write the rest of
• 2:00:30
  the book, nor did I help him, so it should
• 2:00:32
  be interesting.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks, buddy, appreciate you coming.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was lovely to be I guess i'd see
• 2:00:39
  myself out.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know, thank you, appreciate you coming in. It's
• 2:00:43
  good to meet you. Roger. Grab a beer on the
• 2:00:44
  way out. What's the name again, Chris, Chris Gisilensky. We'll
• 2:00:50
  see you later, Boddy, thank you. It's gonna go now,
• 2:00:55
  he went from German d Slavic. Welcome back, Mike.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good to be back. Oh, Roger, it was odd.
• 2:01:02
  I was sitting in the corner listening.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: That was yeah, you know, you gotta get more microphones,
• 2:01:06
  like all the time like this, you could like take
• 2:01:08
  a mic over there.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these people come in and we talked to him,
• 2:01:11
  but then I can like either one of us always
• 2:01:13
  has to sit out, so we never get to have
• 2:01:15
  all three of us talk to these guys. It would
• 2:01:17
  be awesome. We had little little mics, yeah, like yeah one, yeah,
• 2:01:22
  the headphones you like all those lapel mic Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:01:26
  we got to get into some more microphones. That's uh
• 2:01:29
  a thing that needs to happen for sure.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: We got over there just for future. Oh yeah, I
• 2:01:37
  wouldn't mind having.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: Roger guy, what did you break a two hand or no?
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: Roger was talking about the history evolution of cork con.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: I know, but like, why does Paul have a broken
• 2:01:48
  two hand?
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Sorry, he's.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: Uh my buddy Old Sean at Orbis just did the
• 2:02:00
  rod Tour, which was really cool. I don't know that
• 2:02:03
  I've talked about that. You get mad or something. When
• 2:02:07
  we went up to when when is the last time
• 2:02:09
  we recorded, It's been a long time.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: It was pre Christmas. We got on a good run
• 2:02:15
  there in the like the end of last week.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: All he has to do is get on our homepage
• 2:02:18
  at Spotify.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: I know, but like I've talked about, like the film
• 2:02:21
  we made and everything that Hilton made and everything that
• 2:02:24
  has that been discussed.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, I don't remember. I think so.
• 2:02:29
  I don't know that for a fact. Maybe you'll talk
• 2:02:32
  about getting into the Hall of Fame up there with
• 2:02:34
  the yeah Barely.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, probably shouldn't save that one for another one. The Yeah,
• 2:02:39
  we can talk about it next time Barely Live podcast.
• 2:02:43
  Let's see July. There's no way it was July thirty
• 2:02:46
  first August fifteenth.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: That sounds about it because we went into the holidays
• 2:02:52
  and ship.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: Yea, then we haven't even discussed the film and all
• 2:02:56
  that stuff. That's a whole nother segment.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: I would look like we might need to have another
• 2:03:00
  one in a few weeks.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we can take it anyway.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you take five minutes.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: But let's do okay, Yeah, So Doug, So, Yeah, I
• 2:03:11
  had I had a painting I was working on for
• 2:03:14
  the one fly I remember that. Yeah, and and so
• 2:03:20
  it was gonna be. It was gonna be. It was
• 2:03:23
  known that it was going to be in the museum,
• 2:03:24
  in the American Museum of Fly Fishing. So Hilton that
• 2:03:28
  makes films all kinds of stuff. He found out about
• 2:03:32
  this love good job. You can find his YouTube Love
• 2:03:38
  Affair Creative and see the other films. He's a fantastic guy,
• 2:03:41
  and he found out that this was going to happen.
• 2:03:44
  He's like, well, let's make a movie about this. And
• 2:03:46
  I was like, well, I'm already halfway through through with
• 2:03:48
  the painting, so like in my mind, he wants to
• 2:03:51
  like make a film about making the painting right right,
• 2:03:54
  So he's like, no, let's let's you know. He asked me.
• 2:03:57
  The big question he asked me was how long did
• 2:03:59
  it take you to do that? How long will it
• 2:04:01
  take you to this painting? And I said, well's everything
• 2:04:04
  I always tell people it however old I am. It's
• 2:04:07
  forty nine years at this point.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: So he's like, dude, that's the movie, Like let's go back.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: And it was really good. So the whole idea was time,
• 2:04:16
  Like the theme of it was time. And so we
• 2:04:18
  were going to be in Jackson, how Wyoming in three
• 2:04:20
  weeks after that that conversation, we were having to present
• 2:04:23
  this painting. So we knew in Jackson we'd do a
• 2:04:26
  little filming. But we knew after that we'd have to
• 2:04:29
  do some filming here in Charleston, and then we'd have
• 2:04:32
  to do some filming in the Keys, we'd have to
• 2:04:35
  do some filming in Vermont. So I don't think this
• 2:04:37
  film actually got kind of green lid till after the
• 2:04:40
  Jackson thing in September, so we knew we had a
• 2:04:43
  lot of traveling to do. And I've never been part
• 2:04:45
  of anything like this, but these guys are professionals. They
• 2:04:47
  knew what they were doing. He has such a heavy schedule.
• 2:04:50
  I can't believe you were able to figure we'd just go. Well,
• 2:04:52
  that's kind of the time of year two where things
• 2:04:53
  are kind of like loosening up as well, Like October.
• 2:04:56
  I want to say October is when we finally decided
• 2:04:58
  we were going to do it, and then oh okay,
• 2:05:05
  I was up. Uh so, so we pulled it off
• 2:05:09
  and uh and it got accepted into the into the
• 2:05:12
  International Fly Fishing Film Festival. And that's the one Hilton
• 2:05:14
  always does. It's got time will Tell, Time will Tell
• 2:05:18
  and the trailer, so you have to wait till the
• 2:05:22
  the tour comes to whatever town you're in to see it.
• 2:05:25
  And I was super happy with it was able to
• 2:05:27
  get Piper and Sarah involved too. They came to Vermont,
• 2:05:30
  But there was nothing like walking in that museum. And uh,
• 2:05:35
  before I walked in, knowing that I was about to
• 2:05:38
  walk into this place that has all these artifacts and
• 2:05:41
  all these paintings and all these rogers, all this history,
• 2:05:44
  the history of our sport, and I knew I was
• 2:05:47
  about to walk in there and see my painting in there.
• 2:05:49
  It was so we don't know how you held it together.
• 2:05:51
  It was just it was just it was surreal. I
• 2:05:53
  don't know, it's just, uh, it's not anything I ever expect.
• 2:05:56
  It's not anything I ever planned on. But to know
• 2:05:59
  that like a painting of mine will be in that
• 2:06:02
  collection because they only have a certain amount of wall space,
• 2:06:05
  but yet they have like one hundred and fifty paintings,
• 2:06:07
  so it's not always going to be up like you could.
• 2:06:10
  You could go up there next month and you're not
• 2:06:11
  You may not see my painting. I don't know how
• 2:06:13
  they do it, but they've got you know, Eldern Chardy's,
• 2:06:18
  Mike Sidham, Sosino, and then Stanley melts Off, like four
• 2:06:22
  or five of my favorite artists that I'm in that
• 2:06:25
  those are big names. So it's pretty it's pretty unbelievable.
• 2:06:29
  The whole thing is crazy, and the fact that we've
• 2:06:31
  kind of made a film about it too. Have you
• 2:06:33
  seen him yet, Mike, Yes, I watch.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: The fact is like, you know, people always say, you know,
• 2:06:41
  life is not a destination, it's journey. It's not you're
• 2:06:45
  not going to arrive somewhere. But at the same time,
• 2:06:48
  I think it's worth noting that you could walk away
• 2:06:52
  today forever and you'll always be there.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: At the top.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty amazing.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: Well, the coolest yeah, it kind of gets me emotional
• 2:07:02
  thing about but the coolest part to me was the
• 2:07:04
  fact that Piper was there helping make that and someday
• 2:07:09
  she could literally find that video on the internet, show
• 2:07:12
  her grandparents, her grandkids, and her grandkids could be like,
• 2:07:16
  so I can go see my granddad's painting at that museum,
• 2:07:18
  and they can go to that museum and see it
• 2:07:21
  without maybe even ever meeting me. That heavy stuff.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: But to be fair, your grandchildren, your great great grandchildren, like,
• 2:07:30
  you've got artwork everywhere. I've got four your your paintings
• 2:07:34
  in my house. I was saying, like, at some point.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: In New York with his paintings on the back. Ye
• 2:07:41
  I walked by people in the airport.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: Your lineage, your lineage is gonna walk around and they're
• 2:07:45
  gonna at some point, if they want to, they're gonna
• 2:07:47
  run into your ship.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: It's crazy to think about, like, uh that, I'm so
• 2:07:53
  lucky to be able to do what I do and
• 2:07:55
  to know that one day, one hundred years from now,
• 2:07:59
  someone could walk up to a wall and be like,
• 2:08:00
  who's this guy? And they might get on the internet
• 2:08:02
  and to turn it out, you're not lucky. You're good.
• 2:08:08
  But some people are good and don't get to use
• 2:08:11
  what they have, you know, they have to do a
• 2:08:15
  different job. And they realized that fifty five man, I
• 2:08:17
  could have done that, you know, like, so I am lucky.
• 2:08:20
  I'm lucky to be able to do it.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: Took a lot of courage to throw all in.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: But it's neat to see that Hilton made this film
• 2:08:27
  and I didn't. I didn't have any pre pre ideas
• 2:08:30
  of what how is going to turn out of It
• 2:08:32
  turned out really cool, it was really happening. We went
• 2:08:33
  up to Richmond to see it in a little party
• 2:08:36
  that Hilton put on. But if you're pretty emotional, I
• 2:08:39
  know that there's the fly Fishing Film Tour and then
• 2:08:42
  there's the International fly Fishing Film Tour. They both have
• 2:08:46
  good films. Don't get confused. Look for the I four
• 2:08:49
  and go see it and check it out and vote
• 2:08:52
  for Hilton's film. Yeah, it's a great film to be
• 2:08:56
  part of.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: And then eventually we'll have it on our site.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like November December.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: It'll yeah once, once they've made their money on it.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but go look up on Love if
• 2:09:08
  your creative, you can watch the other two films of
• 2:09:10
  Hilton made. Yeah, or on his YouTube.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: It is wild though, to like go back and look
• 2:09:15
  at like where these film tours started and you see
• 2:09:18
  the quality of the video. Yeah, it's it's it's crazy,
• 2:09:24
  like they have budgets, like, yeah, these are films.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: And I do want to say before I forget that
• 2:09:29
  YETI played a huge part in this. Duck Camp played
• 2:09:32
  a huge part in this. Wild Drake Boat Works played
• 2:09:35
  a huge part in this. The Museum put a big
• 2:09:37
  part of it. Rivers and Glenn here locally Francisco and
• 2:09:41
  other than those guys put a huge part in it
• 2:09:43
  as well. And we have yet to really be able
• 2:09:45
  to celebrate announce that to the world. We're trying to
• 2:09:48
  figure out how to do that. This thing is kind
• 2:09:50
  of started and it is where it is, but we
• 2:09:52
  haven't really celebrated how much those guys have helped do it.
• 2:09:55
  But like, to make the quality of the films these
• 2:09:57
  guys are making, you have to raise my it's not cheap. Well,
• 2:10:01
  Hilton got me all fired up. He's like, let's do this,
• 2:10:03
  let's do this, and he goes, okay, part B and
• 2:10:05
  we need X amount of money.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: We need fifty thousand dollars make the movie. Yeah, where's like, like,
• 2:10:13
  you know, a million years ago when we got on
• 2:10:15
  the film tour, we did just make it. Like but
• 2:10:17
  we had a friend who had a nice camera and
• 2:10:19
  he knew how to use it, knew how to addit films,
• 2:10:22
  and we just made it, just made it. We didn't
• 2:10:24
  even remember. So if you watch, if you go on YouTube,
• 2:10:27
  you still find our film. But if you watch it,
• 2:10:28
  it's got this like music that we that his wife
• 2:10:31
  made on a keyboard because we originally cut the film
• 2:10:35
  with an Otis uh Otis Taylor song and we had
• 2:10:40
  originally cut it with that and we loved it and
• 2:10:42
  it was bad ass, and then we found it. We
• 2:10:45
  read like we wrote off that we had to have
• 2:10:47
  rights to the song to be able to put it
• 2:10:48
  on the film tour. So we wrote off to the whatever,
• 2:10:52
  the producer for that song or distributor. Yeah, and they
• 2:10:55
  were like, all right, you can have, Like they have
• 2:10:57
  viewed our film. They're like, you can five hundred bucks,
• 2:10:59
  you can.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: Have the film.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: I was it was not a hard ass, but when
• 2:11:02
  we were young, we couldn't afford five hundred bucks between
• 2:11:05
  the five of us. We were like, well, I mean
• 2:11:07
  we could have, but we were like, we don't have
• 2:11:09
  that's a lot of money.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: You didn't want give up one hundred and twenty five bucks.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So like we literally didn't put five hundred
• 2:11:15
  bucks into the film because we didn't we didn't have
• 2:11:17
  five hundred bucks, or well we did, but we didn't
• 2:11:19
  want to put it in the film. So we literally
• 2:11:21
  played we had somebody make some music on a keyboard,
• 2:11:24
  and that's what's that's what's in the film. Where but
• 2:11:27
  you ever saw that, Well his wife was a musician
• 2:11:30
  and it's not bad, but like with the Otis writing song,
• 2:11:33
  it was like next level. It took that Otis Taylor
• 2:11:36
  sorry not just reading, but it took it like to
• 2:11:38
  the next to the next step. Yeah, and like to
• 2:11:41
  this day, like looking back, it's like I should have
• 2:11:43
  sold something. I should have like I should have sold
• 2:11:46
  plasma or what. I didn't have any other way of
• 2:11:49
  making money five hundred bucks back then was really entertainable.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: About how much think about how much impactful music is
• 2:11:54
  in a film.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: It's so it makes such amazing it's everything about it.
• 2:11:58
  And like I said, like looking back, and I think
• 2:12:00
  at that time, I don't know that we knew we
• 2:12:01
  were gonna get on the film tour. I think the
• 2:12:03
  film tour just said, hey, you know you gotta have rights?
• 2:12:05
  Do you have rights music? And we didn't even know
• 2:12:07
  we were in yet. But like looking back, like the
• 2:12:10
  how many people saw that film that year? Like I'm like,
• 2:12:13
  they didn't see they didn't see what we see.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the music is so important, feel it so much.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: It was that ten thousand slave song by.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: And think about that one hundred and twenty days film
• 2:12:27
  that's black and white of Mango when that Pixies pianos starts,
• 2:12:31
  Oh man, how incredible that.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's everything. Music is everything in this and and
• 2:12:38
  like yeah, every that's the biggest regret I have to
• 2:12:41
  this day when I say that movie, I see that
• 2:12:42
  because I don't have I had a DVD of the
• 2:12:45
  original with the facility. Yeah exactly, so I used to
• 2:12:49
  have one, and I don't have that anymore. I've lost it.
• 2:12:51
  And the only version of that I remember that album though, Yeah,
• 2:12:54
  the only film, the only version of that film that
• 2:12:56
  still exists on YouTube. But it's the version that went
• 2:12:58
  on the film tour. It's the version without yeah Taylor song.
• 2:13:01
  So the otis Taylor song version exists somewhere. Maybe one
• 2:13:03
  of my friends still has the dvd. You know what
• 2:13:05
  we should do, but it doesn't exist anymore. Next recording,
• 2:13:09
  Let's play it on YouTube. Just play it, start the
• 2:13:11
  whole should It's only like twelve minutes long. Great, it
• 2:13:14
  was like under fifteen minutes was the real Let's watch it.
• 2:13:19
  It still exists, it's out there, but it's it's just
• 2:13:22
  the it's the part with the piano music, and I
• 2:13:24
  think that's great. But yeah, but that's like but now, yeah,
• 2:13:28
  but now with the level of videography, you got to
• 2:13:31
  have requires cameras that cost tens.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: Of Oh yeah, oh, a red cinema camera, the one
• 2:13:36
  that Hilton uses is like a car. It's yeah, fifty grand.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: And then then to develop that software in the computer,
• 2:13:42
  the lifting path and the guys that have to run
• 2:13:45
  all equipment. They don't work for free. Like you're going
• 2:13:47
  to have a crew. That's a good crew. Good Like, yeah,
• 2:13:51
  you're talking. You need to raise fifty sixty grand or
• 2:13:53
  whatever to produce something like that, especially if you've got
• 2:13:55
  multiple locations and you're traveling. And that's so the next
• 2:13:58
  I don't even know if I can talk about. I'm
• 2:14:00
  not saying fifty six ground.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: But the next project is a music project of a
• 2:14:04
  band we all know. Yeah, it's they've already they've already
• 2:14:07
  kind of started the wheels turning on that.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: Then that's awesome.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: He went to Knoxville last week for a fraternity partner.
• 2:14:16
  Oh boy, you got to know him real well, yeah,
• 2:14:20
  that's good. All right, Well let's dive into this guy.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 17: There, Melo sac.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: That's all go inside mail Sack, Mao Sack is there,
• 2:14:38
  Melo sack Man Mail Sack.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 10: Well, hello, there barely live fans.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness has been Oh my good did you
• 2:14:54
  give a mic you can hand to Michael?
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: No?
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, were sitting over there in a chair. He's fine.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 10: Look he's next to the medal likes.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, sorry, buddy.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 10: Did anybody have the trouble that I had?
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: The winner?
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: That was? It just seemed really the way the trouble
• 2:15:12
  the blue winter? Yeah winter it was was.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: You know, I was just thinking people it was they
• 2:15:19
  talk about like seasonal depression, and.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 10: You're even saying, I don't know man, about of this winter.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: I was, I was a bit depressed. Well your heater
• 2:15:28
  still broken in the in the trailer.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah it's a chili. But you know, I got a
• 2:15:32
  cook call or coonskin. It's not too bad.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: You know, you just gotta up a little bit. Were
• 2:15:41
  some great news, you gotta you're writing a book.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 17: And yeah, I wrote a whole book about my life
• 2:15:46
  and my experiences, my businesses.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: And Roger Kingston, yeah.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 10: That he wrote is a real nice guy.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 14: He reminds me that the who's my cookies?
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah he does. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:16:05
  either really cool cousins.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 10: Yea, Hey, Doug, I heard you going from Coon's coming
• 2:16:11
  up on your porch. You want help?
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: I know, I think I'm good. Randy and I have, Yeah,
• 2:16:17
  rand I tell you what that's a business.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 10: That's a business. Mind the coon.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Now he's smart, he's sure cut some deal and.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 10: I've left him alone for a bit.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: But one thing they Randy go.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 10: Slip up and some Randy.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: I've kind of gotten to have, you know, very very
• 2:16:34
  fond of Randy.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 10: About that possum.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about him. You can have We
• 2:16:38
  might have to talk about that business.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 17: I am still in the possum grease, but you know,
• 2:16:46
  he is weird nowadays with all the things going on
• 2:16:48
  in the government and what not and people not trusting
• 2:16:51
  it turns out people don't trust possum grief as much
• 2:16:54
  as they used to.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they'll start trusting it.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: That's American me. You you tear if something?
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, su Chinese therapists. I crashed my bawls a little bit.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 10: Sometimes you gotta get up underneath.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: There, underneath the carriage. Carriage. So, uh so you're out
• 2:17:24
  of the winter. We're finally out of this winter. What
• 2:17:25
  do you got? You got any travels coming up soon? Yeah?
• 2:17:28
  You feeling better?
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 10: I need to move the trailer. Yeah, I thought getting
• 2:17:31
  some evil eyes from the people on barking.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: Are you now well?
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 17: I'd rather not say, but yeah, I'm behind one of
• 2:17:39
  the more popular restaurants in town.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 10: Okay, I had a good thing going, but it's home
• 2:17:46
  to me.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 17: That's but you know, I've been good and I've kept
• 2:17:54
  all the coons out of their trash beans and we
• 2:17:57
  had a deal. But now there's warming open, people new
• 2:18:00
  soon complaining about the smell and okay, I talking about moving.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 10: I hate this timing here for that, but you know,
• 2:18:08
  it is what it is.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: They're about to be outside now.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 10: It wants to see rich A Caso hanging his drawers out.
• 2:18:13
  That's you know, it is what it is.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got a letter an email.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 10: Oh, I have so missed people writing to me.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: The emails from Jacob Skelton.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 10: Oh, Jake from the benddo yeah, he want to look
• 2:18:26
  your band. I like that.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: Sounds like he's caught wind of your book. He's written. Oh,
• 2:18:31
  and he wants to know if you're going to be
• 2:18:32
  doing a book writing tour.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 10: You know I might do that, Jake, where do you live?
• 2:18:36
  I can come come see you my trailer out back.
• 2:18:41
  I don't know, you know, we just hang out for
• 2:18:43
  a couple of weeks to see how it goes.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I would like to have a signed copy
• 2:18:47
  of your book.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 10: Oh, I can sign it for you.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I got a coom koll on a sick instead
• 2:18:52
  of write my name, I just a little black with
• 2:18:54
  the coom klow And then you know little ArKade under there.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: It's all good, all right. Get another question?
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. This one is from Lost and Builder Lossen.
• 2:19:05
  He low dog in there. He's curious on how if
• 2:19:09
  you're gonna cook it on a trailer tragger, how you
• 2:19:12
  dress and cook a possum.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 10: Well, possums are greasy. We we with the grease. So
• 2:19:19
  you know the important thing with the trager. Now you
• 2:19:22
  want to you know how you dispatch cock of chicken.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 17: Yeah, you gotta spatch cock the possums, right, because you
• 2:19:28
  want cook him fast and hot. You don't want you
• 2:19:30
  don't wanna let them slow cook because then you dry
• 2:19:32
  them all out. All the grease gets hooked out of him,
• 2:19:34
  and the grease is the good part.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 10: So what you do is you spatch cock them. When
• 2:19:37
  you slap him down there on the five hundred set
• 2:19:39
  of the seer Oka, you see her both sides.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 17: It keeps all the juices in and then once that
• 2:19:44
  day you wrap it up in full and whatever nice sprinkles.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 10: You like, and then you let it slow down about
• 2:19:49
  three hunting, and that.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 17: Rolls for about four hours and that will loosen all
• 2:19:53
  the bits, but to see, it keeps all the grease in,
• 2:19:56
  so when you cut.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 10: Into that thing, it's like a possum grease displosion.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 17: Oh wow, that's how you do it right there. Yeah, Tragger,
• 2:20:03
  you can call me for the rights to the recipe.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: That's great, buddy. Well what's what's the plan?
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 11: Uh?
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: When are you gonna start to do some fishing right here?
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: I been fishing. Uh oh yeah, yeah, I've been out there.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 14: Ain't know the worm hats?
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got out there, the.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 10: Worms was swimming around. I don't think you do ship
• 2:20:21
  for the fishing.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 17: On social media, and I do sometimes I'll be people
• 2:20:27
  getting excited about the worms.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: That's all that is tailing.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 17: I wish they just stopped talking about the early tailing
• 2:20:34
  and that they you don't like it, ain't much left?
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 10: Why not just shut fuck up until everybody knows the tailing?
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 17: Why you got tell him the tailor in early like,
• 2:20:44
  enjoy the early tailing yourself.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: My favorite quote is they're back. It's like they never left.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 10: They just live in the grass.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: They've been there. They've been there all year long.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 10: And go up there and kick them all the time.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: In the winter time.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 10: They're real slow and they just laying in the grass.
• 2:20:57
  You can see, just stabbing right in the head. You
• 2:21:00
  don't even I mean for food, but fun and food
• 2:21:03
  sometimes cross paths.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: A fun food, have fun food.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 10: It's food on the run.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: Fun fishing and food fishing.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 10: They are not mutually exclusive. I like catching them and
• 2:21:15
  then eating them just as much as catching them, and
• 2:21:18
  I really.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: Like stabbing them. Yeah, well, Bud, appreciate you being here
• 2:21:23
  as always doing these You know, y'all don't do them
• 2:21:26
  or it's ridiculous. We're gonna start We always say this,
• 2:21:30
  but let's start doing. I feel we can do this.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 10: We can anyway out.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are in fault. I show up.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 10: Sometimes I tend to be hanging around.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but only so go to main street s all right,
• 2:22:07
  I'm just gonna play some BANDI deil outro here.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, Richard never disappoints, doesn't he never does? Man? Oh yeah, off,
• 2:22:20
  I was like Bandido, got some like R and B
• 2:22:23
  zoom like vibe.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: You go, well get you give you what you want.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: People like it.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's definitely we don't have to say every month.
• 2:22:33
  Let's just even two weeks. We want to do again
• 2:22:35
  two weeks whenever. You guys can keep this kind of
• 2:22:37
  set up. And I know that your schedule is different
• 2:22:39
  from ours.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it is, and you're fishing in three weeks. Yeah,
• 2:22:45
  I'll be in Nilda May fourth, Okay, that whole week,
• 2:22:50
  maybe right after he gets back that that would be great.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, I don't really have anything in May, so yeah, yeah,
• 2:22:56
  I got. I got that. Yeah, I thought of. But
• 2:23:00
  also just on certain days coming in here and just
• 2:23:02
  doing like a little ten minute thing. Sure, you know
• 2:23:05
  what I mean, Like I've got something on my mind.
• 2:23:09
  I don't know if it's a Paul Bucket art thing
• 2:23:10
  or bare I don't know.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: What it is. Talk about the weather subject matter?
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got. I'll be in the Keys May
• 2:23:18
  fourth through whatever. That week is, maybe seven days or
• 2:23:21
  five I'll be out of five days.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, we'll probably just do it again after
• 2:23:25
  you get back them. Yeah, I'm down with that, or
• 2:23:27
  right before. I don't know. You probably don't have it
• 2:23:29
  too many windows it before it though.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah I don't. I mean yes, and no it's a
• 2:23:34
  week thing. Yeah, yeah, it's a week by week thing. Man,
• 2:23:37
  y'all call me. But like I got Tuesday at three
• 2:23:39
  or I got nothing, you know. Oh yeah, look at
• 2:23:42
  that thing.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 10: Have y'all seen that?
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: You should look at?
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: That is a custom able reel with Paul's art.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: That's amazing yellow.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. How many of the do they make like a
• 2:23:56
  run of those or is it like this gonna be available?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: So they did thirty of the salt water and they
• 2:24:01
  did thirty fresh waters.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: Well those aren't gonna last very long.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: No, they're gone. This was These were gone in like
• 2:24:06
  six hours, I bet yeah. I think the fresh ones
• 2:24:08
  took a day. We were they like two hundred bucks.
• 2:24:13
  They weren't as much stuff out there. I thought they
• 2:24:15
  were gonna be like three grand. Oh yeah, they were
• 2:24:18
  twelve hundred.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, I mean it's still they were fuck but
• 2:24:22
  I think they were the same price as you buying
• 2:24:24
  this as a normal reel. They didn't No way you
• 2:24:27
  can get that for less than twelve hundred dollars. I
• 2:24:28
  think so man able.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: The times been changing, bro, really even like the new
• 2:24:33
  the new Nautilus and stuff, and question grand, I mean, yeah,
• 2:24:36
  when you're selling fifteen hundred dollars fly rods, and why
• 2:24:38
  should the reels be cheap?
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: Right, twenty dollars turkey sandwiches. But I got a buddy
• 2:24:42
  that's getting you know, a tarpent sit up, and I said,
• 2:24:45
  put most of your money into the reel. Yeah, that's true.
• 2:24:47
  The rod is just a stick. They're all good. At
• 2:24:50
  some point I got online, I'm like, well, should know
• 2:24:52
  the rods are about as well, Like even a half
• 2:24:55
  press rod is seven hundred now because the high end
• 2:24:57
  ones are twelve hundred. Yeah, so when I.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of which, I need to borrow your Nautilus
• 2:25:03
  monster again.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: I need to steal that, Okay.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: At some point, all right, I've got I've got some ros.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: I just hadn't broke down. I got my eleven weight
• 2:25:11
  all set up, and then I got I got a
• 2:25:12
  new twelve weight rod last year a friend built me,
• 2:25:14
  which I'm very happy with. But I haven't bought a
• 2:25:16
  reel for it yet, and I've been preoccupied.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: With you know what, I would love if you, if
• 2:25:21
  you remember, grabbed that Pacific for me. No one. I
• 2:25:24
  have not used that reel in years. That's cool. It's
• 2:25:28
  so cool and it's so funny.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: Do you have the high the large, big one? That's
• 2:25:33
  that's a winch? What that is?
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: That's fun?
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool as ship at that point. And it's
• 2:25:43
  a twelve weight like you're not doing it because it's
• 2:25:45
  light and agile.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a cool fishing for a heavy fish.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're trying to winch something.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: I love that thing. All right, I'm gonna just take
• 2:25:52
  us out on the song here.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 3: Well you will you
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 10: Stop