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03/12/2024 The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live - Chris Lawrence, Pete Forcelli, John Luoni, and Rob Cornelius · The Dave Allen Show

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the show. Also John Bloney, who's a candidate for magistrate in kanawh County.
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We're gonna spend some time talking to him, coming up a little bit
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later on. Also gentle by the name of Pete for Selly. He is
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an author and he's an expert on whistle blowing in the government. He's standing
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by. He's got a new book out and he's actually in Charleston to kind
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of promote that and to do some public speaking. We'll talk to him coming
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up a little bit later on. But I want to start off in the
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newsroom this morning. Chris Lawrence is here. Chris, Good morning morning.
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I want to start off with this couple just terrific stories yesterday. One started
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in Lewis County and then ended in Kanaw County. Yeah, it was a
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little bit after midnight on Monday morning. The volunteer fire department in Lewis kind
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of got a call at a remote location near Ireland, West Virginia, so
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remote they didn't even have cell service there. So when they got there there
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was a house on fire. They realized they had at least one victim that
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was killed in the fire, and as they got the end of the building,
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they realized they had multiple victim and now they have confirmed four people were
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killed in that fire, they were continuing their investigation, they found out a
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guy who lives in that area by the name of Luke Wilson, age forty
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five. He's from Walkersville, which is not far from that particular location,
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that he had family in Hughes's Creek here in Kanawak County. So about four
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point thirty in the morning, they asked the Kanawk County Sheriff's Department to go
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there just on a hunch and see if perhaps he had gone to his family's
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location there. According to Chief Deputy Joe Crawford, when deputies rolled up on
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the scene there at Hughes's Creek, this Wilson was in the vehicle that they
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were looking for, and as they got out and approached the vehicle, he
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shot himself and killed himself there in the car. So you have four dead
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up there in Lewis County and then the man who took his own life here
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in Kanawhac County. Both incidents are apparently tied to one another. The fire
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is suspicious. They continue their investigation and are yet to release any names or
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ages on the victims in that fire in Lewis County, so that continues to
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be under investigation with the State Fire Marshal's Office this morning. And then the
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other tragic story happened yesterday on the Turnpike ride two o'clock yesterday afternoon. Yeah,
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that was at the gent toll Plaza, which is down in Raleigh County
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northbound traffic. A car was coming up through there, and you know it
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is when you get those toll plazas, I mean that things start to back
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up and everybody's trying to figure out which lane you're going to get in to
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get through the quickest. Apparently this car did not even slow down. There
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were two cars stopped in the right lane of the toll plaza to pay their
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toll, and that car is full speed, barreled right into both of them.
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The whole thing exploded and three people were killed in the ensuing fire from
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that accident, and it blocked traffic on the Turnpike northbound for hours yesterday afternoon.
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Of course, it's reopened this morning, but three people killed in that.
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They have not released the names in that either. The State Police Accident
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Reconstruction Team has put together their investigation and they continue to work on that this
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morning. Still no names on that on those fatalities either. This morning.
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All right, Chris, we'll be listening and following along on the website and
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time talking about whistleblowers. Now, you hear about them all the time in
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the corporate world, but maybe not as much, maybe not as much as
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we should in the world of politics and government, but it does happen.
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Pete for Selly was one of the main whistleblowers with Operation Fast and Furious,
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and he's in Charleston. He's in our studio today. Also has a new
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book coming out. We'll get into that Peak, Good morning, and welcome
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to the show. Good morning, Dave, honor to be here. Thank
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you for taking time out of your schedule to be here. First of all,
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let's review what was Operation Fast and Furious. Fast and Furious was a
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case that was run out of ATF's Phoenix Field Division, and it was a
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case in which the agents that were work in the investigation allowed guns to cross
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the border into Mexico and many Mexican citizens were killed. And then in December
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of twenty ten, a Border Patrol agent named Brian Terry was killed with a
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gun that was trafficked as part of that investigation, and that led to John
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Dodson, who was an agent at group, coming forward and speaking to Center
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Grassley's office, and then that led to the US Attorney's Office in Phoenix contemplating
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indicting John Dodson. So I stepped forward because for many years before that we
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were trying to get actual firearms traffickers indicted by the US Attorney's Office and they
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wouldn't take action. And I was somewhat to palled that, Hey, all
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of these firearms traffickers you let walk. Now you're talking about in diting a
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federal agent who stepped up and did the right thing and blew the whistle on
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something in his group. It was appalling to me. What was it that
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led you to make that leap to do that. You said that you'd wanted
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to do it for some time, but what was it that finally said,
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okay, we've got to step up. Well, the gun dealers in Phoenix
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were cooperative. They worked with us. They would tell us about suspicious purchases
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happening that they knew were being trafficked to Mexico. We would invariably stop the
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cars, get confessions, refer those individuals for prosecution because they were supplying guns
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to people who were butchering other humans south of the border, and we would
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invariably be told, hey, let them go, we'll indict it later,
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and those indictments would rarely ever come. So when they were talking about indicting
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an agent for stepping forward and blowing the whistle on what was happening in the
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group that was letting guns actually walk to the border, because we stopped guns
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with the assistance of those dealers, but no one was getting charged. So
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here, conversely, this group was letting any guns walk into Mexico, and
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the thought that they were an agent. While they gave all of those fire
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arms traffickers a pass was to me a bridge too far. Give me.
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Give the listeners some of your background and as far as like your background and
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how you got involved in all this. Sure, I started as a cop
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in New York. I walked to beat you know, the old school way
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got tone, the community built their trust. Became a detective. Same thing
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that trust you built with the community helped cares. The Bronx criminal justice system
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was pretty bad. Nobody spent time in jail. My last murder case was
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a four year old kid. They got beat to death by his stepfather and
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after trial he was sentenced to four years in prison. So I started working
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gun cases to flip defendants and have them proffer and go after people involved in
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more serious crime. So we did racketeering cases, continuing criminal enterprise cases.
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So I left being a detective in the NYPT to join ATF because you know,
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I was doing it with the permission of the NYPD. Going to ATF,
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i'd be a federal agent. I could do all the time. So
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I was an agent in New York for about six years, went out to
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Phoenix and that's where I saw things were vastly different than they were in New
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York. How so, how were they different out there? Well, in
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New York, the prosecutors actually prosecuted criminals, violent criminals. And in Phoenix,
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what I saw was they weren't prosecuting people who were again traffic at guns
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to people who were butchering other humans, which was appalling because look, hey,
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I get it, it's not our country. But what was happening in
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Mexico bothered me because I'd see the pictures that came across an intelligence bullet and
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the human beings. It wasn't just cartel people being killed. It was Mexican
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cops, Mexican citizens. So when I found out that they were letting guns
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walk into the country, and again we didn't know in other groups in Phoenix
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what was happening in that group until Brian Terry died. It was appalling.
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It went against the grain of everything. I raised my hand and took an
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oath to do so again when they went after John's that's when I stepped up
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so and then after Phoenix, I spent time in various other parts of the
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country. Was the agent in charge of the Miami Field Division during the Parkland
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shooting and the Fort Lord of DLA Airport mass shooting. So I had a
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good thirty five year career with a bump in the road in the five years
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that I spent in Phoenix because they have to blow in the whistle. I
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spent four years, you know, being retaliated against and having to defend my
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reputation while under investigation by DOJ attorneys and you know, Inspector General and whatnot.
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But in the end, I prevailed because the truth is the truth.
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It's a powerful weapon. I want to talk about that retaliation, Pete,
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exactly what happened to you? Well, because in reading about this you almost
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lost everything? Yes, correct, talk about that retaliation, sure, Well
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it started actually the day I was deposed by in front of Congress, in
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front of the staffers from Senator Grassley's office, Senator Leahy, Daryl Aisa,
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who was the ranking member of the Oversight Committee, and Elijah Cummings. So
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what happened was literally as before I walked out of that deposition room and made
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it back to my office, which was a six block walk, I received
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information that the US Attorney, who was the chief federal law enforcement officer in
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the state of Arizona and who primarily his officers who I was blowing the Whistlan
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was made aware of everything I said, so before I walked six blocks,
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they had gotten a phone call and were told everything I said in that room.
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The following day, I got a call from another assistant US Attorney who
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showed me an email that was sent out by the US Attorney saying, anyone
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having contact with Pete for Selly, even if it's witnessing him and his family
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having coffee on the weekend, it's to be reported to me through your chain
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of command immediately. And it just got worse when I actually testified in front
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of the actual com made. The chief of the Criminal Division accused me of
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perjury, and then when he was subpoena to commit and testify about what he
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was involved in, he pled the fifth and resigned. So it was to
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shay how much integrity he had. So when they just continued for there,
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it spent four years under investigation. Became the US Attorney's officers was saying one
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thing which was in conflict with what I was saying. So six different times
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during that investigation, I said, Hey, if you don't believe me,
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polygraph me and each time they were like, well that's not really necessary.
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We believe you. But yet their investigation continued. But in the end and
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you're over here like yeah, no, no, do this correct. Polygraph
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me correct, which is risky to do because I mean, polygraph isn't the
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most accurate tool, and if you sail one, they're going to revoke your
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clearance. But look, I was very blessed because I had some support from
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within the agency, and I had some support from staffers from Senator Grassley's office
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because look, his passion is whistleblowing. And you know, look, all
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four corners, all four staffs said hey, when they come after you,
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if they come after you, call us. Lahy's office wouldn't answer the phone
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coming had some nice things to say, but didn't engage isis. People said,
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hey, we're tracking it. But Senator Grassley staff, without fail,
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every time I needed help, they were there. And that's one of the
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reasons why I'm here in town is because Tristan Levitt, who was one of
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Senator Grassley's staffers, who's running for office here locally, was one of those
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people who had my back when I was getting my teeth kicked in. So
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I kept my word, but it's important for folks. You know, he
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kept his word, and I think that's partially why I still had a job.
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I retired in October of twenty twenty one. I retired as the head
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of training for ATF. So I made it, you know, my career.
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I recovered my career, but it was due to help of other people
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and not being willing to let people take my reputation from me. We have
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a text here and it says, does the guests know that US guns are
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still going to Mexican or Mexico US as well as other criminal organizations? And
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this is still a concern. It is, and it's ironic because the Phoenix
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US Attorney's Office, I'm told, because I still stay in touch with folks,
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is still the worst US Attorney's office in the country when it comes to
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dealing with the problem. Look for the Cineloa Cartel, Arizona was its gun
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store. I mean, look, they also get guns from stolen from Mexican
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police, from Mexican military, from all over the planet. Frankly, because
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I mean the Cineloa Cartel is now a global conglomerate. We have an analyst
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budget, but a lot of the gun a lot of the guns are straw
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purchased in the United States, primarily Arizona for the Cineloans. They're smuggled in
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and then they're converted in many instances to machine guns down there and used against
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Mexican military and police. So it's Peter's book. Plug time. Now you
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have all this laid out in new book from Simon and Schuster, a Knox
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Press called The Deadly Path. Tell us about the book, sure, the
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book is called The Deadly Path. How Operation Fast and Furious and Bad Lawyers
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on Mexican Cartels is the subtitle, and it outlines what happened because during the
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scandal there was a lot of political finger pointing the Operation Fast and Furious started
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and under the Obama administration. But to muddy the waters, there was people
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saying, well, it actually started under George Bush and blah blah blah.
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The reality is is that's not what happened. The group that ran that case
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wasn't even formed until October of two thousand and nine, which at the federal
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fiscal years October to October, and Brian Terry was killed shortly after, and
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then Fast and Furious ended. The program itself ended when the scandal hit and
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when they made some arrests. So I mean, I just wanted to clarify
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some of the points that were very muddy back then, because look, there
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were agents in other parts of the United States who had no idea what was
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going on, and they would approach us and say, hey, you know
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what happened. So we even proposed let's have an after action report like they
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do in the military so people could learn from it, and the DOJ lawyers
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were always like, no, no, we don't talk about it. So
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I'm a firm believer that if you don't know history, you're abound to repeat
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it. So I wanted to set the record straight for the American public,
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but also for employees of ATF and for new people coming on board with ATF,
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which has a noble mission when it's done right, just to clarify the
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record. And you were in Charleston at a speaking engagement, you had one
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I think last night, Is that right? Yes, sir? Okay,
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all right? So what's life like for you now, Pete? I mean,
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you got the book and you're out plugging the book, you're doing speaking
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engage, So what's what's life like for Pete? For selling now? It's
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good. I did write the book, it's been it took a while to
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get it out, you know. I mean, I'd never realize. I'm
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not a writer by trade, so I can realize how difficult the publishing industry
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is. But I also speak at the nine to eleven Memorial Museum about resilience.
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I'm a lung cancer survivor. I was a nine to eleven first responder
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while they're getting lung cancer. Many years later, lost the right lung.
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Very lucky, no chemo, no radiation, cancer free for six years.
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Now. I speak to law enforcement executives and as a coach, and I
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also speak to law enforcement organizations about leadership and resilience. And it's funny because
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a lot of folks actually find leadership lessons in the what I went through with
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Fast and Furious, and even in the book itself. So I'm hoping that'll
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turn into something productive, so that I can you know, have folks learned
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from the mistakes that were made by ATF folks working in Phoenix at that time?
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Again, you know, just so that folks don't repeat, right,
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Well, then we have actually have a text about that. Someone said,
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how can you prevent the straw purchases. Well, look purchases what a lot
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of people don't. A lot of people want to blame the gun industry.
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The gun industry. The dealers used to call us when straw purchases were happening
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that were obvious. The problem is straw purchasing is an active deception where people
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who can lawfully buy a firearm, who can pass a background check, go
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in and buy a firearm for somebody else. And Arizona, more often than
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not it was for cartel people who were trafficking to cartels. But I mean
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the dealers were trained by the National Shooting Sports Foundation and ATF and what to
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look for. But the problem is if those if they don't exhibit those signs,
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like taking pictures of the firearms and then texting them to someone who might
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be waiting in a parking lot, or having someone come in and point out
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guns and then that person would leave, and then this person would say that
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they were for them when it was clear that someone else picked out the guns.
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You know, in those instances, the dealers would call us. We
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would stop the cars, ask probative questions, seize the guns. And in
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Arizona very few people went to prison for doing it, but we would have
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those guns in our custody. It would never be pointed at some cop or
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some kid or some old lady. I mean, so we took some pride
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in that. But there are instances is where if the straw purchaser doesn't exhibit
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any signs, the dealers they don't have esp they can't tell. So in
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those instances, we find out about it when the gun is recovered somewhere.
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And how you prevent it is by prosecuting the people that do it. When
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you have situations like what we had in Arizona where ninety plus percent of our
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cases are presented to US Attorney's office and they pass, then that person can
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continue to buy guns because they don't have a criminal history. So I get
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it. It's unfortunate because most straw purchasers are people who are down on their
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luck. You know, single moms, people who are sick, people who
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need money. But you know the end result, Yeah, they might only
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get one hundred dollars to buy a gun that they're handed off to some cartel
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guy. But the carnage that's happening in Mexico, and look, some of
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these guns are being used in the United States warrants that they be prosecuted.
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And here's the other thing. These aren't loaves of bread. They're not apples,
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they're not oranges. They don't buo the grade, they don't rot.
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They'll stay out there in the hands of evil people until they're recovered at a
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crime scene. And they look, the Fast and Furious guns are still turning
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up next to the day bodies. It's amazing. Give us final thirty seconds.
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Give me the title of the book, and so on and so forth.
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It's out from Cyber and Schuster and Knox Press. It's called it's called
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The Deadly Path. Yeah, how Operation Fast and Furious and Bad Lawyers Armed
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the Mexican Cartels. It's on Amazon, It's on stores and bookshelves. People
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can find it very easily. Know all right, Pete, I fascinating story,
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and I appreciate you taking time on your schedule to be here to tell
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us about it. Hundred to be here. Thanks for having me, right,
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Candy for Gnawh County Mataister for John Looney's here, John, good morning,
23:22
Welcome to the show. Thanks Dave, Greg glad to be here, give
23:26
us a bio, And John Leone, you certainly are no stranger to the
23:30
political scene here in the valley, But tell us about John Looney. Well,
23:33
John Lavoney, I'm an engineer. I worked at DuPont In Carbide for
23:38
many years. The last seventeen years I worked. I was a county engineer
23:42
for the Kanawah County Commission, and I just have an interest in mad One
23:52
of the reasons I decided to run for magistrate is that I feel like I
23:55
have a lot of the qualifications that make for an excellent magistrate, and with
24:00
the three new positions that Kenall County is adding, I thought I'd throw my
24:04
hat in the ring and give it a shot. What do you see as
24:08
the biggest needs of the magistrate's office here, and what will you do differently
24:14
if I like then, Well, one of the things that I plan to
24:18
do is I want to use common sense. I think that that's an important
24:23
characteristic of a magistrate. I have a high level of respect for law and
24:27
order. I've been endorsed by the Capital City paternal or Police, which I
24:34
think is very honored to receive that endorsement. One of the reasons I think
24:41
I'm qualified is I've actually helped develop several county ordinances. Particularly one that I
24:48
worked a lot on was the meth lab Decontamination Ordinance to make sure that the
24:55
levels of contaminants following a cleanup are low enough so that people can't be exposed
25:02
to toxic or carcinogenic materials that are left in the pores of the walls or
25:08
ceilings or floors. I think that gives me an up. I've been in
25:14
magistrate court defending some of the county ordinances where I had to give testimony,
25:21
show lab results, photo evidence, etc. So I've had experience in that
25:26
arena and I feel like I have a lot of the qualifications that people need
25:30
look for. And one of the things that magistrate You're an important link in
25:37
the public safety and justice system, and I think it's important that people have
25:41
confidence that when they come before a magistrate that they're going to be listened to.
25:48
And one of the I think I also have the skill in being able
25:52
to determine truth from fiction. A lot of times you'll get testimony and you
25:57
have to sort it out. I think I have the skills to be able
26:02
to do that. And it's a non part of some position. But can
26:03
I ask you what your political party is? Yes, I'm a Republican.
26:07
Republican, okay, And you know, John, I talk about this with
26:10
nearly every candidate I have on that's running for an office like a magistrate or
26:12
a judge or share for whatever. The overwhelming majority of crimes, most would
26:18
say upwards of ninety percent or greater have drugs somewhere at the root of it.
26:23
Whether it's stolen property, domestic violence, assault, shootings, you name
26:26
it. No one knows how to fix it. But what will you do
26:30
or attempt to do if elected? Well, one of the things I want
26:32
to do is make sure that criminals, if they come before me, they're
26:37
not given a low enough bond that they can easily make it. I was
26:40
told by one of the police chiefs that there was a case where a gentleman
26:48
was fishing without a license and because he didn't make bail, he ended up
26:53
in prison for six or seven weeks. Whereas we've got drug dealers, they
27:00
can make bail, they're back out. Some violent criminals can make bail,
27:06
they're back out on the streets. And we have this person that was fishing
27:10
without a license occupying a jail cell. That's the kind of thing that I
27:15
think we need to relook at, and let's make sure that the criminals who
27:19
are the biggest, the biggest threat to public safety are kept away from the
27:25
general public. And I think that's something as a magistrate that I'm committed to
27:30
do to help protect the public and make sure we don't did I do my
27:37
part as a key component of the public safety system to keep those people that
27:42
are a threat to society out of the public when they're brought before my court.
27:48
Make sure they don't come back out. They're not. It's not they
27:52
don't have an easy path to get back out into society. Which campaign strategy
27:56
look like you in social media? I know you're definitely out of about I
28:00
see your pictures all the time. You're always You're always out somewhere in the
28:03
public. What's your campaign strategy for John LOONI going to public events, meeting,
28:07
meeting people. I try to like I'm going to the Marshall w VU
28:14
baseball game tonight and cheering for the herd like you should. I'm kidding John
28:18
Well for both go teams, go both. Yeah, yeah, I would
28:22
have. I'm cheer I'm just messing with you, John, Go teams,
28:26
go teams, Yes, go both teams. But that sort of thing is
28:30
so that's that's what you're out doing, right right. No meeting people.
28:33
I went to symphony Saturday night, went to a mountain stage Sunday night.
28:37
So I'm out and about going to different events and meeting people. I think
28:42
that's one of the best ways to get your message out. I have a
28:45
Facebook page. John Looney for Magistrate. I think you've probably seen him so
28:52
and that's those are the things that I'm doing. Give me the final thirty
28:56
watching some of ute for John Looney for Magistrate, all right. I think
29:00
I have a lot of qualities that voters need to look for in a good
29:04
magistrate. I have common sense, I'm a good listener. I can judge
29:08
testimony in my opinion about whether it's truth or fiction. I have a high
29:14
level of respect for law and order. As I mentioned, I was endorsed
29:18
by the Capital City Paternal Or Police. I'm somebody that has developed some of
29:22
the ordinances, such as the meth Lab Decontamination Ordinance, that is there to
29:29
help protect the public. And I think they want somebody in there that they
29:33
have confidence in, that can do the job and understands their role is a
29:42
public safety and justice system and to protect the public, as I say,
29:48
from violent criminals and drug dealers, etc. John Maloney, candidate for Magistrate
29:52
in Gandana County. John, always wish you the best. Look great to
29:56
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you never met a microphone he didn't like. I love them all, and
34:07
I mean that in the best possible way. They always popular, always entertaining.
34:10
Rob Cornelius, Hey man, glad to be here. Good to see
34:13
you. Rob text me this morning and he's the only one that I know
34:15
that maybe other than maybe Adam Harris, my good friend from Mountain Stage,
34:20
or maybe my producer Hollywood, Jeff Ptty, Steve New Steve New knows it
34:22
Steve New that would ask for the theme to World Class Championship Wrestling as your
34:29
walk up music. Sorry, I did not make that happen. Yeah,
34:30
with the satellite dish and the big the Big Time timpany, the big Kettle
34:34
drums and uh the world famous Suportatorium. You take it all this down,
34:37
Hollywood, You're the wrestling I actually had to look that up when you text
34:42
me that this morning, because I, you know, didn't get world class
34:44
around here, but I had to go look it up. I've used it
34:45
on the show at some point. I used the World Championship Wrestling theme,
34:50
and I use you've used a bunch and she used like the retro version min
34:52
I expressed this theme at some point. I do. And I also use
34:55
the theme to Starcade, which is far from over from Stank Frank stalone,
34:59
right right, I like moving out. That's fine. We could talk already
35:01
all day, and especially if I get Hollywood. Jeff, who's a podcast
35:06
host of I've heard that you're pushing the podcast right now, Jeff, here's
35:09
a great guest to talk old school wrestling right here. You need to meet
35:13
Rob Cornelius after the chef. All right, all right, all right,
35:15
So outside the world of politics, you're also a noted sportscaster. Where's March
35:20
Madness for you? I am going to Cleveland. I have stuff I've worked
35:23
duty starting tomorrow and hopefully three games in Cleveland when the instead of Way is
35:28
and on a charter someplace next week to learn about new geography and be in
35:31
the sixty eight. All right, I want to talk about the session the
35:35
legilatives this past legislative session. Would you think bad mojo bad or over everybody?
35:40
The two bodies don't get along very well at all some of What's more,
35:44
the two bodies, do you mean both? Yeah? The house?
35:47
You don't mean parties anymore? No, no, no, because and I've
35:52
said this some people, insiders saying this all the time. And this may
35:53
offend some, but it was easier to run both bodies, and both bodies
35:58
are way more effective when the Martians with thinner when the House was fifty five
36:01
forty five, when the Senate was eighteen sixty really one time when Daniel Hall
36:05
had to flip and all that. If everybody has to be on the same
36:07
page, your stuff doesn't pass. Everybody six together. The wolf pack stays
36:12
together. When you have a bunch of people and they can go wild and
36:15
you have nine or ten votes, you don't need those people start stretching and
36:17
start asking for things, and it becomes a real issue in terms of managing
36:22
the body. I don't know what people want with the legislation. Should be
36:24
more aggressive, less aggressive, whatever, but it's harder to manage a bigger
36:29
pack. Let's talk about the Republican Party and the super majority and the super
36:36
duper majority. Now I understand there's this super duper duper majority. Well,
36:38
I mean when we're done in November, it's going to be thirty two to
36:42
two and ninety three seven. Maybe that's my guess. We're gonna put them
36:45
on the chalkboarding here wherever. Okay, But I mean, is this cost
36:50
for concern within the Republican Party that there seems to be such divisions within the
36:53
party. Yeah, I think so. I think. I think in terms
36:59
of managing the state. You know what, as I always tell you on
37:00
this show, it's easy to run for stuff. It's fun to run for
37:05
stuff and sake oppositions. The business is actually going to that capital and governing
37:08
and doing a good job for people who aren't political is hard. And get
37:12
what governing is. It's not sexy and it's not fun, and it's hard
37:15
to do well, and nobody respects him you to do it well because you're
37:17
either not far enough right or not far enough left. I agreed. Dave
37:22
Allen Shilling five. Ay, the line broad to part by Morgan to Morgan
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if you're injured hired Morgan to Morgan in America's largest injury law firm rob ib
37:28
was sold yesterday by a friend that I they've should be happy with the session
37:31
because a lot of the more social issues didn't get touched. I've been called
37:36
a country club Republican or a chamber of that. I They've should be happy
37:40
with the session because a lot of the more social issues didn't get touched.
37:44
I've been called a country club Republican or a chamber of commerce Republican. I
37:49
will own those. Well, that's fine because they're interests in business and economy
37:52
at heart. The voter, the more middle of the road voter that I'm
37:57
prime primary voter, their number one issue is still going to be a job,
38:00
economy, unemployment. But a primary voter who is at the very further
38:04
right or further left string of their party in this primary is going to go
38:07
toward more specific, harder right things. And the problem is you have to
38:12
please them first, and if you don't, then everyone in your party is
38:15
going to say you're not You're not far enough right or far enough left,
38:17
period, even the Dems. You even see that this split the Dems among
38:21
people who are not left enough for them. Kayleeng is a great example.
38:27
You know, people people call her and tell her all the time she's she's
38:29
not left enough. I mean, you're down to like six people or something
38:31
over there. Better figure it out. I've heard that people say Pushkin's not
38:36
left enough. Well, I've had people to this show that have texted me
38:38
and said, Mike Pushkin is not far left. And the thing is they
38:42
are the loudest voices because they text, they call right, and it works
38:46
both ways. So you were dragged by what you think public opinion is when
38:50
public opinion is probably closer to the middle. Rob Cornelius is here. So
38:55
Rob, I've gone back and forth in my head on how much or how
39:00
little I wanted to cover this story, a story I first brought up last
39:01
week. You did, and that was courageous. I wasn't expecting you to
39:05
pop out at the end of the show that night. I get a little
39:07
drink of courage every now, not a drink. It wasn't a drink I
39:10
promised. So last Tuesday night of last week, my phone started blowing up
39:15
with a fake news site YEP, supposedly out of Pittsburgh, made to look
39:22
like an actual newspaper, at least an online one, which it obviously wasn't
39:27
anyone with half a brain, and trust me, I've been accused of half
39:30
a brain many many times. Anyone could tell it was fake. Whomever put
39:35
it together probably should have gotten in middle school or to help him with it
39:37
because it was that bad. However, it had to do with a candidate
39:40
for governor, and the headline was something like he could be West Virginia's first
39:46
gay governor. Now, as I said, my phone started to blow up
39:51
late Tuesday night in the early Wednesday morning, and I know I did bring
39:55
it up on the show Wednesday. I think it was of last week.
40:00
There's a lot I don't want to get into this too deeply, but I
40:01
do want to get your take on it, because there's a lot of finger
40:04
pointing as to who is responsible for this. Now. I know that on
40:08
Twitter there is a guy who've I've had my issues with in the pastor's guy
40:14
named Kyle Vass, who is closely associated with Yaclu. I don't know Kyle
40:17
personally. He and I have battled a couple of times on Twitter. Don't
40:21
know him personally, but he's really uncovered a lot with this story, and
40:25
at the risk of getting both of us sued, I'm not going to go
40:29
too deeply into it. But overall, and I'll say this, I tend
40:32
to want to concentrate on subjects that come from legitimate news sources. Yes,
40:36
not fake news sites. But over all, your view from ten thousand feet
40:42
of this story, it was a hanmdhanded attempt to tarnish or shame or otherwise
40:47
hurt one of the candidates for governor in a very sloppy way website that had
40:52
been created like a week before. And the stuff this is this guy in
40:54
therenet found the background. Amy's all pretty easily available, and looking who has
40:59
servers and what and figure out who bought a website, when they bought it,
41:01
whatever, all these things that happen. Look here here's the issue.
41:07
It's it's been it's been tied to Some folks are extremely hard right. This
41:10
was clearly written attempt to avoid being sued, but to the like kind of
41:14
just put something in the air, Oh, this person might be you know
41:16
whatever. But but on the on the flip side, you know, it's
41:21
it's possibly tied to one or more of the other candidates. And that's that
41:27
doesn't make sense. And I put it this way, this is afore a
41:30
four way governor's race and the Republican side effectively, even if you're such a
41:34
genius and you get this message out there and you tar and feather one of
41:37
these other candidates with some unfounded or unprovable claim, you don't know where their
41:42
votes are going to go. So tactically this is very, very stupid,
41:45
And the question is what what do you expect to happen other than just basically
41:49
being the guy at the party that goes to the room where the coats are
41:52
and poops on the bed or what are poops on the coats? Like?
41:53
Just ruins it for everybody you know that that that that that is all this
41:57
is, and it's not going to go anywhere. And the campaign to which
42:00
you know that reporter is saying it's tied is the one that's very month much
42:04
in fourth place with the bullets and isn't going anywhere. I have I've heard
42:07
again. And to dance around this thing like you wouldn't believe. How about
42:13
we just say every candidate in the race is accused of being gay. You
42:17
are all gay, that's it, We're all just qualified. Ah, a
42:22
great job, guys. According to the Republican Party, that's probably what they
42:24
would want or at least a lot of members of the Republican Party, of
42:28
which, by the way, I'm stilly member of the Republican Well. I
42:30
mean, I mean, check with Peter Field, check with some of the
42:31
guys from Trump administration. Look, gay people vote, and some gay people
42:36
just want jobs and economy and to be left alone. And I don't think
42:38
anybody has a whole lot of beef with that. I couldn't care less who
42:42
sleeps with who, To be honest with you, I mean, and I
42:44
mean, that's just me, It's not it ain't my fight. I don't
42:45
care you know, I'm I go home to my wife. You go home
42:50
to your wife. I couldn't care less. My wife is terrifying, by
42:52
the way, but in a good way. I know your wife. She's
42:53
been on this show. She does a great job. She's awesome. You
42:57
definitely overachieved, you know that by far outkicked at five hundred yard drive whatever
43:01
as did. I did not very completely understanding. I do find it ironic
43:06
though that And you can't damn the whole party, you know, for this
43:09
over what a couple of people may or may not have done. But I
43:13
will say this, you said clowns. I will say this. I find
43:17
it very interesting though that the party of which I'm a member that screams fake
43:22
news, fake news, fake news, goes out and invents a fake news
43:27
site. Well again, party that's you know whatever. However, many hundred
43:30
thousand people there o site. You can't blame everyone for you that, right,
43:34
I said that. I said that, Yeah, no, and again
43:37
it's fake. These people should be smart, people should be able to discern
43:38
these things. Was clearly an attempt to do that. And the problem is
43:43
it's people. It's coming to people that are desperate, frantic and lying in
43:45
terms of this campaign, that don't have any shot. And this is you
43:50
know, this is Christopher Plumber and Star Trek three. This yell ain't you
43:52
from you know, the Doorway to Hell or whatever? Right or done?
43:55
I mean I got a couple of texts here Texas Dave. At least it
43:59
was a right wing person or group that came up with the fake website.
44:01
Democrats didn't do it. Fade in the roaring applause says that yeah, sure,
44:06
people on both guides can make stupid, fake decisions and lie in public.
44:08
Well, the funny thing is public figures are pretty much as we know
44:13
from all don blank ship logging up to the federal you can pretty much say
44:15
anything you want about a public figure. That's pretty much what those cases have
44:19
set out there for you. So this is not necessarily a problem too.
44:22
I'm pretty sure there's a circuit out west that's actually said that calling someone gay
44:25
is not defamatory. It's actually pretty cool. So again, that's not necessarily
44:30
a libel libelleist situation. Not an attorney, not legal advice tech says,
44:34
the sad part is the website creators and the other people of their mind think
44:37
that being gay is something to be ashamed of. That's your call personally,
44:42
you can make that decision. That's between you and you and you and your
44:45
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the one and only reason that candidate's sexuality is a factor is due to
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their history of supporting anti LGBTQ legislation. Two Faced Behavior says the text,
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I don't know what candidate they're talking about, so so there you go.
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How would I know? Let's go national for a moment. Please, It's
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Trump v. Biden, a matchup that a whole lot of Americans don't want,
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and it said that they don't want. But here we are. Your
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take you can't always get what you want is more and more more more popular
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lyric. Look, it's this is the choice you have. The choice is
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going to come down to, do you want a guy who appears to be
49:02
mostly incompetent, under whom the country's economy is terrible, or someone who says
49:07
some awesome things sometimes on Twitter. But you were able to afford gas and
49:12
you'd never inflation, and you know, Iran wasn't a problem in Israel,
49:16
wasn't getting invaded and raped and all these things, like things seem more stable
49:20
everywhere but Twitter when Trump was president. Think about it, I mean,
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this is the best we can do. Rob I didn't say it was the
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best we could do. I would trend younger on both. But that's that's
49:31
again, that's that's that's good. It's so interesting, and our primary is
49:35
late and irrelevant. Anyway, no one's going to show up, And that's
49:37
true, and it's all over, and one of these two is going to
49:39
be it's gonna be the next president of the United States. But I just
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find it very interesting that they go after Biden, who I am not a
49:46
fan of by the industrates of the imagination. They go after Biden on being
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frail and being weak, of which he is. Have you heard Trump speak
49:55
lately? Have you seen Trump walk lately? As both walking is really good,
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it's not good. He can bear the whole band for both. They're
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both pathetic old men, Rob, damn it. We can do better.
50:07
Well, yeah, but you know we're beyond that stage. And the voters
50:10
want Trump, and I don't blame them because you know why they want Trump.
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The story is interesting. Voters want to be entertained more than anything.
50:19
Whether they like him or they hate him, they're going to keep watching.
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I've said this to you before. That's seeing the Howard Stern movie. The
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voters who the people who like Stereern listen for an hour, people who hate
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sterern listen for three hours. That's true. That was the best blimb effect
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and that is exactly it. And Limbad was brilliant. He learn't monologue for
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three hours, no virtually, no callers, none of the stupid texting all
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you Hey, he's on the stupid text man, because I've got super text
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right now. No, they're not stupid, they're still kid I'm kidding,
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they're not stupid. Text said, did Cornelius really name drop a gay billionaire
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as proof that Republicans welcome lgbt Q. How about you name a regular person,
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says a Texter. I would rather you didn't if it's a good one
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to talk at. Yeah, probably not, But I mean, I mean,
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did you guys realize how many gay dudes you've elected from both parties to
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this state capital over the last twenty or thirty years. You didn't realize how
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many are there now? That too, they just don't talk about it.
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It's not very interesting, Honestly, Texas Republicans and Conservatives think being gay is
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something to be ashamed of, yet they run to vote for someone who's admitted
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to have non consensual relations and friendships with a sex trafficker. I think Republicans
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and conservatives need to have a talk with Jesus tex says Dave. Don't let
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him lie about the economy. Ask about unemployment, wage growth, stop market,
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et cetera. Our god is an awesome guy. On the stock market's
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propped up by a ton of inflation. Dave, fact check your guests.
51:31
The economy is better today than it's been since the nineteen eighties. These are
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what you call it what I believe Rush returns seminar textures and you guys,
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you and Hoppy like sift through these all day like we. I don't think
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we have paid people on my side that do this. They're unpaid. There's
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plenty of volunteer, but like this is very much the paid texts that bore
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me. They're paid. My textures are paid. I'm assuming that, Yeah,
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well they paid by I don't know it. Soros. Soros. Blame
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George Soros, and so everything in the world of politics that goes bad,
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it's either Soros or it's a coke. You know, you can to talk
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about sure, sure text cornelis Republicans want Trump because he's a shiny object,
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and Republicans like shiny objects. Closed with well, that's what I just said,
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I mean pure We want to be entertained again. He's he's entertaining to
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people. People want to see what he does next, just like me.
52:15
Sometimes, yes, why what are you gonna do? I don't know it'll
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be entertaining. Someone may poop on coats who knows well? Coming up on
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the show tomorrow, Doctor Casey Sachs from Bridge Valley who will not poop on
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coats. She shall be on the show tomorrow talking about Bridge Valley. Also,
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Greg Thomas will be on the show tomorrow duweling Banjos. I'm not having
52:32
lunch with him today. We'll plan something. I would love to have you
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on Greg together. We're a great time. Yeah, he's like my meaner