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The NFL Coaching Carousel: Surprise Firings, Best Jobs & Harbaugh’s Next Move · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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Welcome to another episode of Fanatically Speaking.
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I'm Kent, the co -host and promoter. I am Loggoth,
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the Loggoth legend, the hater of all things social
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media. I am the co -host and producer of the
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show. In today's episode, we're going to touch
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coaches. We mentioned it. Let's touch all on
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those coaches. No deal. We're going to get into
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coaches, the firings, who could be hired, all
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the openings in the NFL. We mentioned it in the
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last episode. We didn't get to it in that episode,
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so. ran out of time to this episode. But it's
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actually for the best, man. A lot of movement
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since then. Yeah. Big moves. Some things, some
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things we saw, some things we kinda foretold,
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and I gotta be honest, I mean, you could tell
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me if you disagree, but some of them I did not
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see coming. No, most of them I agreed, and a
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few I didn't. If you I didn't as well. Yeah,
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I agree with you But no man, I am I'm following
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your lead. All right, where do you want to start
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man? Yeah, so let's just go off right now Let's
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just name the teams that fire their head coaches
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or parted ways and have openings and As I named
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the team I'll tell you who they fired or parted
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ways with it's a nice way to say it The Baltimore
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Ravens will start we'll start big after 18 years,
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they have let John Harbaugh go. Not Mark Andrews,
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not Mark Andrews. Do you want to rattle these
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off one by, do you want to rattle these off one
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by one or do you want to go, okay, but I didn't
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know if you wanted to go name them out and then
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we go into it. Yeah, I'm gonna name them all
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and then we'll just hit on, we'll hit them all.
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Cool, let's go. Yeah, so Ravens, after 18 years,
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they let John Harbaugh go. The Atlanta Falcons.
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Let go of Raheem Morris earlier during the season
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the Tennessee Titans Brian Callahan The Arizona
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Cardinals your boy Jonathan Gannon got it the
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Las Vegas Raiders Let go of Pete Carroll after
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just one season The New York Giants also during
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the season let go of Brian Dayball and those
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stinky Cleveland Browns Got rid of Kevin Stefanski
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So those are all the openings I named the coaches
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And I don't know what would you like to get into
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first like what's the best What's gonna you know,
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like what's what? Let's just do this. How about
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what surprised you? Okay, so a couple of them
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surprised me but for different reasons the the
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Raheem Morris in Atlanta surprised me Yes, me
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too. And not necessarily because of, you know,
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the fact that they literally ended with the same
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record as two other teams in their division,
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but mainly the way they did it and how quickly
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they did it. It was like they couldn't even,
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they couldn't, I doubt, I don't think they let
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that dude leave the stadium before they fired
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him. Like it was like that game was over and
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it's like, yeah, let's get his ass out of here.
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I think he's demonstrated He's got a tenured
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career in the NFL as you know as a coach He he's
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well -read. He knows his stuff and clearly he
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could you know lead a team I just I just I didn't
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see it coming and I didn't like the way that
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the Falcons did it But I mean they are the Falcons,
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you know, I It left a bad taste in my mouth.
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I'm confident that he'll land somewhere else
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probably somewhere where he's a little, you know,
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more appreciated. And even if it's not a head
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coaching job, I could definitely see him being
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on someone's coaching staff. Um, hell, hopefully
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in the next couple of weeks, somebody will add
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them, pick them up and sign them. Yeah. Again,
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really surprised by this one. Didn't see it coming.
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I think he's been there two years, had them improving,
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trying to build a culture, trying to do something
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with that roster. And again, like you said, they're
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tied with the Bucs and the Panthers with the
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same record. They just happened to end up, you
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know, with third place. But you could see something
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there, but they had a little dysfunction with
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the quarterback situation. Again, they gave Kirk
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Cousins the moon and then drafted Michael Pennex
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Jr. So that's their first mistake after hiring
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Morris was, you know, doing that with the quarterbacks.
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Cuz if you're gonna give cousins the money, you
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should have gave that draft pick in a first round.
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You should have drafted somebody that could help
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your team in another place. Pinnix looks okay,
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he's still young, I don't know. They played pretty
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good with cousins, so it's hard to really gauge
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that with the team. But Raheem Morris, again,
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defense is his background. He had that defense
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rolling. They was playing way better at the end
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of the season, knocking off playoff teams. or
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potential playoff teams at times too. And again,
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like I said, it could wait. Sunday was, he got
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fired Sunday. Like you would think he'd coach
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the Raiders, you know? But as you said, is he
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gonna get another chance? Already Mr. Adam Schefter
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reporting that he's got interviews with the Cardinals,
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Giants, and Titans for head coaching jobs. And
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like you said, if he doesn't get one of those,
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There's a lot of spots for a defensive coordinator
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in the league now. So he'll land somewhere. I
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don't like it because, you know, he had a little
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bit of time in Tampa as a head coach, got his
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feet wet, got fired. It didn't go well. Then
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he went back to being a coordinator, built himself
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back up, got this job. And again, you hear all
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kinds of stuff every time these guys get fired.
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It's always like, oh, well, him and the quarterback
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or him and the players or this, that and the
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other. But it seemed like Like I said, he was
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on the up tick and I think he deserved more time
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than two years. So we'll see where he lands.
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I mean, like I said, that's three already. He's
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got interviews and hopefully they're serious
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about that. You know, the Giants, you can see
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New York and we'll get into them, but that's
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the name. Like normally you think big names.
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And just based off of this with Raheem Morris
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here, Titans. They got a pretty good defense,
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not too bad. They got obviously Cam Ward, so
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you can see some stuff there. Same for the Cardinals,
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they gotta figure out stuff at quarterback. But
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yeah, anyways, hopefully he gets another shot.
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And I'm assuming, what's another one that surprised
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you and maybe were the same here too? I mean,
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listen, I - I don't understand the rush to let
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go of a tenured, proven head coach. Stability
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is something that's very hard to find in the
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NFL. And it's interesting, because when we were
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recording the last episode, we actually got the
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text that John Harbaugh had been let go from
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the Ravens. And it was almost like, oh, about
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time he got let go. But the three years in a
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row, the reason why they got bounced out of the
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playoffs had nothing to do with coaching. Zero
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to do with coaching. It was just, you know, flimsy
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things that took place. One of them was a fumble.
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The other was the Andrews drop. And then obviously
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the Miss Field goal this year. That ain't gonna
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do a hardball. So it just, I was confused by
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it because... Stability is something that's so
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important. And the Ravens will be fine. They'll
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be able to go get another head coach. I don't
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know who they're going to be able to get that's
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better than Harbaugh and is more proven than
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Harbaugh. And that meshes well with their franchise
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MVP level quarterback and Lamar Jackson like
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Harbaugh. But it shocked me. And a lot of this
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is I think is just, you know, breath of fresh
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air, bring somebody new in, you know, just kind
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of mix things up and see what else you can do.
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Some examples that were kind of thrown out was
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like, you know, this is kind of reminiscent of
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Andy Reid leaving Philly. And then, you know,
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obviously he goes to Kansas City and has a whole
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new career where he just wins Super Bowls. So
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Harbaugh actually has the ability to do something
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like that. But, you know, for me, if I have that
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guy in my building, I don't want him to leave
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and go coach someone else. Especially when the
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issues and the gaffes that are taking place don't
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have to do with coaches. It's just horrible luck
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So yeah, man, it threw me off came out of nowhere
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and but I mean we all know this He's gonna get
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a great job. He's good. He is the top coaching
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candidate. That's on this list He will be able
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to pick whoever he wants. He will be able to
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pick when he starts he'll be able to pick whatever
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staff he wants and Teams will bend over backwards
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to get someone who is that stable? an energetic
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coach that can build a team up, he's gonna be
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fine. So on one hand, I'm very, very happy for
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him. And on the other hand, it just sucks to
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see him go out like that. Yeah, I would love
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to see who the Ravens get to replace them that
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they think can get them, at least this group,
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over the top and to that next level. I think
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that the knock probably on them is, I've heard
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like, using timeouts, not running Derrick Henry
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enough in certain situations. And again, you
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got this talented roster and you haven't got
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to that, you know, Super Bowl. Many AFC championship
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game, so I think that's probably the not. But
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again, like it's like Tomlin and Harbaugh always
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connected division rivals. Obviously, it came
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down to that game as well. I saw a funny meme
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that had the kick it had the goalpost, so it
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had, if it went through that kick, Tomlin's fired,
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and on the right and the left, Harbaugh's fired,
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so. Yeah, and that's the other thing that, and
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I'm sorry, I hate to cut you off, but that's
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the other thing that I hate about, just about
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sports culture in general, somebody's got to
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catch that bullet. It didn't matter. And Tomlin,
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and here's the thing, and we can... We can piece
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this together and you know, it's a little too
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late to do game play by play. But if you look
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at that game, both coaches did everything that
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they could to win those games. And it came down
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to one team making a kick and another team missing
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or making a kick to win or team having the opponent
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miss a kick for them to win. That's the part
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that just makes me so angry because we'd be doing
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the same thing to to Tomlin that we're doing
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the hardball right now and they would have got
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his ass. I'm pretty sure they would have got
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his ass out of Pittsburgh. You agree, right?
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I think it would have it would have heated up.
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Pittsburgh, you know, they conduct business different.
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You know, he I think he had like one year left
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anyways on his deal. Yeah, right. I mean, that
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game was crazy. It did come down to kicks. Obviously,
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Pittsburgh missed their extra point that made
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that kick even a possible game winner instead
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of a tie. And then, of course, Baltimore, they
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missed the kick. So and I don't think with hardball,
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it was so much about. This season again, I think
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it came down to other things that the past, you
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know, however, handful of seasons or again with
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this group, with the Lamar Jackson, with the
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weapons, with the team that he's had. Because
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again, let's let's be real, face it this year.
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They started off losing close games to good teams.
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Then Jackson got hurt. And when your quarterback's
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out, there's always a downfall. But then he brought,
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I mean, they still came back from what they started,
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one and five? And still almost made the playoffs
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and won the division. So yeah, again, John Harbaugh
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can coach. And like you said, he's gonna get
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a job wherever he wants. And I'm gonna get into
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more of that in a minute. when we get into openings
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and where he could land. But I don't want to
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do that right yet. Does that make sense? OK.
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Yeah, no, sounds good. That works. We'll get
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back to Harbaugh. So those were the two, right?
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We agree those were the two that surprised us.
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The other ones, I mean, not really shocked. And
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again, I could probably add a couple more names
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to the list that got fired. But they get to live
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to see another day in the NFL Coaching ranks
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unless something changes, you know during now
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between now and the Super Bowl Yeah, all right,
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so let's let's get into Which job is the best
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job of the openings right now Okay Out of the
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open head coaching positions, the thing that
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makes this difficult is you can answer that question
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in multiple ways. You can answer it as which
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one has the best potential. You can answer it
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as which one has the most longevity and which
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one you can win. Out of the box, you know what
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I mean? Obviously the one that you can win out
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of the box is probably gonna be Baltimore veteran
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team, you know Leaders you've got great players
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at the skilled positions and you can always go
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out and get more talent But out of all the jobs
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and this is probably gonna be a little Maybe
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be a little surprising When you got a team that's
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young with a lot of cap space and you still got
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a developing quarterback, I think you got to
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take that Tennessee Titan job. Number one overall
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pick, Cam Ward, we know, we saw what he did in
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Miami and he struggled this year, obviously got
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banged up and, but Tennessee, but Tennessee is
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a stable enough franchise. And the benefit is,
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is if you take that job, they'll give you three
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or four years to get them to a point where they
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can actually win and compete in that division.
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So for me, just kind of looking at all of them,
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that's the one that kind of stands out to me
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because they got a quarterback that they're going
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to stick with. Like he's gonna have to stink
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it up in order for them to get rid of them. But
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for me, yeah, man, I'm gonna go with a proven
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stud quarterback. that's going to take some time
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to develop, much like Trevor Lawrence. It took
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him a while for Trevor Lawrence to have this
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season that he's having this year, and he's had
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good years, but it sounds as if he actually got
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his groove now, and I think that's what's going
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to take place with Cam Ward. Yeah, I agree. I
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sent you the list of teams. Ravens, obviously,
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they're only a few pieces, but they have MVP
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quarterback, one of the greatest running backs.
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They just need a couple more pieces and but they're
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obviously always in contention for the playoffs
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in the division So that is an obvious and then
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when you get into the other ones again cap space
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is big And you're right. I think quarterback
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is key And if you look at all the teams You know
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they all You know Raiders have the top pick so
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they're going to draft a quarterback the Cardinals
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Kyler Murray Rumors that they may be done with
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him just like Miami's kind of done with two and
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I think two is done with them But again, yeah
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cam ward top pick in Tennessee obviously cap
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space 105 million Raiders gonna have the top
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pick a hundred million in cap space the Giants
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big market the got Jackson dart the got scataboo
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They got neighbors. They got a great defense
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Browns, yeah, I don't know Don't know if that
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that might be the worst job and I like Shador
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and I like you know, Miles Garrett's a beast
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They are in the negative at the moment So they've
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got moves to make to clear up and and need some
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pieces for that job and The Falcons we mentioned
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them earlier talking about Raheem Morris and
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they got Pinnix. They got cousins They're in
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the negative as well. So they got to figure out
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their cap space But here's what I also put into
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play here and Sometimes it works when I when
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I talk about this and think about when these
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coaching Vacancies come open I look and and I
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look at the now and I look at the division they're
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in how tough is it, right? Yeah, and I said that
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way when the Raiders got Pete Carroll and the
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editor pieces I'm like man, they got to play
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the Broncos. They got to play chargers. They
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gotta play chiefs. That's not a good hot. That's
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not a good job Now they got a lot of cap space
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gonna have their top pick. We've seen bad teams
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get built up When it's constructed right way
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and the head coach is like a Sean Payton in Denver
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You know a Bo Knicks and he built that team and
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they all now look at him win in the division
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So by the way, and by the way home and they got
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lucky because for for two years They were screwed
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after that Russell Wilson contract. So you're
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right. You're right Yeah, I mean like like it
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was so they got they I mean they caught a break
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They happened to get a cheap quarterback that
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they could still pay Russell Wilson the rest
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of his money He moved on And you know what I
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mean? Imagine the situation that they're in,
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it's a roll of the dice and it worked out. Because
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like you said, it's not going to happen with
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Miami and Tua. It's not going to happen in Cleveland
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with Deshaun Watson. So good for them. And they
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got the one seed with a bye. So yeah, the Lord
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blessed the Denver Broncos. They worked it out.
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They were in a spot, like you said, paying Russell
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Wilson to leave. Yeah, paying Russell Wilson
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to leave and kicking him out of his office. So
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I like your pick with the Titans because as good
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as the Texans are, as good as the Jags are, and
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the Colts are serviceable depending on, you know,
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that's a division. The AFC South is a division
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that the Titans could turn around and then compete.
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Like I said, the Texas Jags are really good this
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year. But again, with all that cap space, young
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quarterback, good defense, you know, decent,
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obviously can get built up. That's a good spot.
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The Giants, NFC East, always tough, but you know,
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they can compete. And it just takes the right
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coach. Again, coaching matters. But I look at
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like the Falcons. If there ever was a division,
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That you just need to tweak a little that team
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the Falcons could come back next year and win
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the division right It's they're all like even
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if there ever was an even division right now
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in football is that NFC South so They've got
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a lot of the pieces Yeah, we shall see Like I
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said, I agree I agree with that Titans that Raiders
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man is tough But if I had to make a decision
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Well, and not only this and and again hate to
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cut you off on that but the other thing about
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The the rate and I still want to call them the
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Oakland Raiders. God. I'm so old The thing about
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the Raiders is they'll get the number one pick
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They could always if I'm if I if I'm the Raiders
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man, I might trade that pick to go get me something
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That's a little more solid. I might put a package
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together, you know and and get me something that's
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stable. That's something that, I mean, Tom Brady's
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part of that ownership group now. So he's in
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the front office. He knows talent. I mean, he
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was essentially the de facto GM when he won his
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Super Bowl in Tampa. So I could see him putting
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things together to make that stuff work, but
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they don't have it right now. So I can't roll
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with them. And I know that the son of Al Davis,
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He's done a good job kind of staying on the side
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and hiring professionals to do the job, but I
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got to see it first. I have to put them on the
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shelf for now. If they make the moves, who knows?
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Maybe they could be a formidable team in the
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next two to three seasons. But right now, no,
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I just don't trust them. Having that number one
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pick is just not flashy to me. It don't mean
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nothing. Yeah. I mean, you got to hit it out
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of the park. That's that pressure. Yeah. You
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got to make sure there's a ... Fernando Mendoza,
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Dante Moore are the two names and they gotta
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get it right. But it's always good to start with
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that young quarterback and then have a veteran
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to teach or whatever they need. But they got
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100 million, so they need a lot of pieces. So
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hopefully they draft well, hopefully they spend
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their money right. Just to go opposite of you,
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I'm gonna go Falcon's job just because, again,
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the division. Not that I completely am sold on
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another season of Kirk Cousins and his cement
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feet. But or Michael Pinnix, you know, like he
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looks at times he looks good and then times he
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doesn't. So I'm not quite sure yet. He's not
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terrible. But again, it may see, you know, who
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who knows who they hire and can turn that around.
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But that's a that's a winnable division. Easy.
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Sounds good. All right, and we're just going
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to keep moving here. and get into, I'm gonna
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go back to John Harbaugh. Okay. At the moment.
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Where is the best spot for John Harbaugh? Since
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he's the top name, we went through the best job
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opening at the moment. But I will tell you this.
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Again, Adam Schefter reported 45 minutes after
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John Harbaugh was fired. His agent received calls
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from seven NFL teams. Now, there's seven openings.
24:39
One of those are the Ravens. So I don't think
24:41
the Ravens called. You know what I mean? Well,
24:45
there was actually another report that came out
24:50
not too long after that. Okay, that that that
24:54
additional team was um, actually the jets Really
24:59
that said that if you wanted that job That it
25:02
was his And and and he and he politely declined
25:07
Okay, I don't so that's so that so that's that
25:10
extra team that was willing to let go of their
25:12
head coach to bring Okay, I I had not seen that
25:15
so that was the that took the not we're gonna
25:17
still have fun with this because Yeah, because
25:20
I was wondering, like, is it a team that, you
25:23
know, sucked and decided to keep their coach,
25:26
but now John Harbaugh's out there and it's like,
25:28
uh, let me just call real quick. And, you know,
25:30
and there's going to be other teams like that.
25:32
And I think there's playoff teams like that.
25:34
And that's where we can have fun with this. No,
25:46
go ahead. Go ahead. So I was just going to say.
25:48
I've got Two teams That say they get bounced
25:54
in the first round in this wild -car weekend
25:58
That they're gonna that they're they're gonna
26:01
do their due diligence to check on Harbaugh before
26:04
they pull the trigger on the firing But obviously
26:07
there's always backdoor conversations. I Also
26:11
think that John Harbaugh will not take a job
26:13
until the playoffs Kind of dwindling down, you
26:16
know, like a few round wild card divisional and
26:19
then let's see, right? Let me see if any of these
26:23
playoff teams fire their head coach I think he's
26:26
got all the time in the world. I think most of
26:28
these teams are gonna wait on them I think some
26:31
of these teams. I don't think he would take the
26:34
job. I Don't think he would take Cleveland. I
26:42
Don't think you'd take Arizona just because the
26:46
quarterback situation. I could see him taking
26:49
all the other jobs. But I've got two teams, like
26:53
I said. So can you, I'm gonna let you try to
26:58
read my mind. What two teams? Well to me it's
27:01
only one. Okay. Like to me it's only one. And
27:04
it's Harbaugh, again, he is heavily coveted.
27:11
and he can write any number down on a piece of
27:14
paper, they'll match the number. He needs a team
27:20
that has talent, but it still needs to be cultivated,
27:25
maybe developed, maybe make some acquisitions,
27:27
maybe make some trades. But to me, the only team
27:32
that I could see him taking the head coaching
27:35
job is the Giants. Out of the teams that are
27:40
available, Is that what you're saying? Out of
27:45
the teams that have head coaching vacancies,
27:50
I see him going big and taking that Giants job.
27:55
OK. OK, let's talk about that then. And then
28:00
let's talk about the playoff teams that could
28:03
get if they lose in the first in the wild card.
28:07
So you think the Giants. I think that's a great
28:11
spot. Obviously, like again, I look at again,
28:15
they got a great defense. You think about those
28:18
Ravens teams and their defenses. They obviously
28:21
have a young quarterback who showed he can play.
28:25
A great running game when when Scadaboo was in
28:27
there and he was healthy. Again, weapons on offense
28:31
with neighbors. They probably need like a lot
28:33
offense, another offensive lineman, another receiver.
28:36
There's just a few more pieces. They could be
28:38
right there in battle in a really good division
28:42
But at the same time yeah, so he's 63 so that's
28:49
some more win now situation I Don't know that
28:54
he would be a part of a rebuild You know Raiders
28:58
with a rookie quarterback the same division as
29:03
His brother and it's going to be a tough division
29:06
no matter what who the Chiefs have Don't think
29:08
they're just gonna be one and done this year.
29:10
I think they'll bounce back It's again, I think
29:16
it comes down to quarterback and and again what
29:18
you and I like what you're saying there I like
29:21
I like that Yeah, he's got to believe in the
29:24
quarterback. So if he doesn't like say came Ward
29:27
Titans could be a spot But yeah, I think the
29:30
change of scenery to a big market like New York
29:33
He he doesn't buckle under pressure He's used
29:38
to it. He's a obviously he's been in the league
29:40
18 years with the Ravens and and even before
29:42
then I like your pick. I'm gonna agree with you
29:45
out of the openings Yeah, the Giants is probably
29:48
the best spot for him and and I have really kind
29:53
of hate to take the wind out of your sails because
29:56
Okay, you're trying to have fun with it saying,
29:59
you know the playoff teams Oh, yeah, I think
30:03
there's two But here's the thing, and we can
30:07
still have fun with it, but I just want to say
30:09
this, get it on wax. Okay. We both know that
30:18
every NFL team is owned by billionaires, and
30:22
the one thing that billionaires are, are impatient.
30:26
They're going to do everything they can to have
30:29
John Harbaugh signed within a matter of days.
30:32
I don't think it's gonna take so long to where
30:35
teams get bounced and then now all of a sudden
30:38
they have an opportunity to go and sign a head
30:41
coach. I don't think there's gonna be enough
30:45
time. I think that the teams that are available,
30:48
they're all in a race to go get the best candidate
30:51
that's available right now. Now, other candidates
30:54
may still come available to your point. If Tomlin
30:57
gets embarrassed, man, they might let him go.
31:00
Now that's another another coach that's out there,
31:03
but in this in you know Six in one hand half
31:07
dozen in the other who you do you think is better
31:09
Harvara Tomlin? I'm not I don't want to make
31:11
that a debate But I think we can say that they're
31:13
at least comparable and out of all the coaches
31:16
that are out there right now Those are the those
31:19
are the two top coaches that would be available
31:22
Just based on the rumor mill and teams would
31:24
try to sign them lightning fast. So I There could
31:29
be better jobs for him, but I just don't see
31:32
this pool of desperate -ass NFL teams with Desperate
31:38
-ass billionaire owners. I just don't see them
31:40
letting him sit so long to let somebody else
31:43
come and scoop them up Well, he's not gonna sit
31:46
long they walk it's this weekend and like I said
31:50
like behind closed doors and like you said agents
31:53
and calls like that if the Jets are calling then
31:56
these playoff teams are calling to again, before
31:59
they pull the trick. They're making deals behind
32:02
closed doors. I don't care what anybody says.
32:04
So yeah, I mean, I'm just being honest. Like
32:07
we've seen it. We'd be like, man, I can't believe
32:10
they fired so -and -so. And then like the next
32:12
day, hey guys, we hired this guy. They had the
32:15
deal in place. They already knew. They knew who
32:17
they wanted. Yeah. So two teams that I think
32:22
in the playoffs that if they get bounced, Could
32:27
go after Harbaugh could fire their head coach
32:29
and that's the Green Bay Packers and the Buffalo
32:34
Bills Okay, I did not see the bills all right,
32:40
yeah, I do think again Yeah, like again no Chiefs
32:44
in my homes. No Ravens and Lamar Who else is
32:48
missing? The no burrow in the Bengals. I talked
32:52
we talked about this when it came down to the
32:54
Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen all his enemies,
32:59
all his, you know, the ones that have held him
33:02
back or given him the most, you know, trouble,
33:07
toughest games in the playoffs, say whatever
33:09
you want. It's mainly my homes, but Burrow got
33:11
him. I think Burrow got him too. I can't remember
33:14
now. But anyways, I think he did. Correct me
33:18
if I'm wrong. But yeah, I think it, yeah, so
33:21
McDermott, again, it's kind of like hardball.
33:23
He ain't been there as long, but he's been there.
33:25
and Buffalo's been right there, right there.
33:28
This is their best shot. And I know we disagree
33:32
on who's going to win that game. And I, and again,
33:34
we're talking as if we're going to, you know,
33:37
this will be after wild card, but I don't, I
33:46
don't think, I don't think John Harbaugh makes
33:49
the bills that much better. He's a better coach.
33:54
for sure and But I don't see I don't see him
33:59
being the thing that gets Josh Allen into Buffalo
34:02
Bills over the hump if that makes any sense it
34:06
what so it wasn't something that I thought about
34:08
I wouldn't when I hear John Harbaugh, I think
34:12
a Franchise that's flailing in the ocean and
34:17
they need a life preserve to come to say they
34:20
need someone to rescue them That's what I that's
34:22
how I see hardball. I don't see Yeah, I just
34:27
don't see teams that have success that have a
34:30
foundation that need him to push them over the
34:32
top I mean you can say whatever you want to about
34:35
now the other thing that is intriguing is if
34:37
he does go to the bills He's still right there
34:39
in that same conferences as the Ravens. So I
34:43
think that would be fun, but other than that
34:46
like Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't move me a
34:50
lot. It doesn't move me a lot Not necessarily
34:53
does he make them better. I'm just saying I could
34:56
see the Bills and the Packers after another Failed
35:01
season failed playoff appearance Just saying,
35:06
you know mate LaFleur some of his decision -making
35:09
or they he didn't get it done even without Parsons
35:12
They're still loaded on offense all these things
35:15
and they lose to the Bears Even though it's on
35:19
the road, same with the Bills. I just see those
35:25
two teams, they could say, let me try to get
35:27
a deal. And if Harbaugh's interested, then it's
35:30
happening. But if not, then it's nothing, right?
35:34
Then he can go on and pick out of the openings
35:36
or he can go get a nice cushy TV job. We don't
35:40
know what Harbaugh's gonna do. But yeah, those
35:44
came to mind. I'm not saying the Bills are gonna
35:46
fire McDermott. I'm not saying the Packers are
35:48
gonna fire LaFleur. I could just see those two
35:50
teams with a quick exit saying maybe there's
35:53
time for a change. Let's see if Harbaugh's interested.
35:55
And those two teams are ready to compete day
35:58
one. And that's what I think would be intriguing
36:00
for Harbaugh to not try to rebuild a team. Again,
36:03
he's 63. It's not terribly old. But again, he's
36:06
got 10 years at the most maybe to coach. So.
36:11
Why not go for a team that's win now ready and
36:15
the Ravens and Packers obviously playoff teams
36:17
I mean the bills and the Packers are ready now
36:25
and I think that could be something for him But
36:32
again, we don't know what's gonna happen and
36:35
again I do laugh at like, you know, if I think
36:37
if I'm some of these other teams that didn't
36:38
make the playoffs Would have called as well and
36:41
checked like Miami like Tampa Who else Yeah,
36:48
that's probably it Cincinnati, you know, I think
36:52
I would have called man But I think the funniest
36:55
thing like you mentioned like Tomlin could get
36:57
ousted What else would be a greater? No, I don't
37:01
and I said great I don't want Tom to get fired
37:03
but just say he did and hardball took the stealer
37:05
job. That'd be amazing I mean, yeah, I mean,
37:09
that's a hell of a flip, you know, but, but also,
37:11
but the other thing is, and this just goes to
37:14
show, I mean, you mentioned, you mentioned Harbaugh's
37:18
age. It's like, I knew that, but it didn't feel
37:21
like it. I feel like he's a dude who's still
37:23
in his fifties, you know, so, so I mean, yeah,
37:26
I mean, so, you know, when, you know, the Steelers
37:28
don't get rid of anybody. So as long as he has
37:31
some success at all, he'll keep that job, like
37:33
you said, for a decade, but typically they like
37:35
to go younger. And they allowed Tomlin to kind
37:39
of build this fantastic resume for one of the
37:43
most storied franchises in all of sports with
37:45
the Steelers. So, I mean, that would be crazy
37:47
to see. And yeah, I mean, there's still a strong
37:51
chance that he gets let go to depending on how
37:54
things go in the playoffs. But yeah, I mean,
37:57
at the second that remains to be seen. All right,
38:02
so. Yeah, so that's Harbaugh. I just want to
38:04
go through a couple of names real quick. Here's
38:09
some guys that I found out, got the message today
38:13
that they're interviewing. We mentioned Raheem
38:16
Morris has three. Harbaugh can interview wherever
38:19
he wants. Good ol' Mike McCarthy apparently is
38:25
going to interview. He's going to interview with
38:29
the New York football Giants. Jason Garrett's
38:33
gonna interview with the Tennessee Titans. That's
38:37
interesting. You hear some other names. Brian
38:43
Flores, Joe Brady. I think another good one was
38:48
Deion Sanders in Cleveland. I don't see that
38:52
happening, but you wanna be relevant? I had not
39:01
heard that. Damn, that makes my head hurt. I
39:05
mean, why? It was, again, it's the internet.
39:09
That sounds like something either some blogger
39:14
made up or something that Dion's agent put out
39:18
there. Yeah, it was kind of like someone trying
39:22
to put it out there into the world. Cliff Kingsbury's
39:26
name's been brought up. Of course, He's been
39:28
a head coach in Arizona, so I don't know, you
39:32
know. As other names that are out there, I think
39:36
we kind of figured, you know. From this conversation,
39:40
obviously Harbaugh is the big name. And and I
39:43
think we. Of the openings, I think we agree that
39:46
the New York Giants would be a great spot in
39:48
the best spot for him. Throws him in the NFC.
39:54
Away from his brother away from the Ravens, not
39:56
that he cares. Again, I think Atlanta is a secret
40:00
is kind of sneaky good spot. It just depends
40:04
on what he wants man. He's gonna do his homework
40:06
Like you said, he could be another Sean Payton
40:08
take over a team that It doesn't look like it's
40:12
a good outlook or give him a couple years and
40:14
then all of a sudden he's got his quarterback
40:16
He's got his defense. He's got everything he
40:18
needs and all of a sudden he's back on top But
40:22
yeah, man, I think that pretty I mean unless
40:25
you got what else you got anything else on this
40:29
Rob Markman Not really, man. I think you covered
40:33
it well. When you get into so many of the hypotheticals,
40:38
a lot gets kind of lost in the sauce. But yeah,
40:43
I will say this, out of all the names that you
40:47
mentioned, the one that was the most surprising
40:50
to me that I was not expecting to hear and ...
40:55
It's a double -edged sword, and I hate to be
40:57
the guy to do this, but when Brian Flores' name
41:01
was brought up, I cringed a little bit for a
41:05
couple of reasons. One, because I don't know
41:07
if you know this, do you know that he's still
41:09
in the middle of that lawsuit with the Dolphins?
41:12
With the Dolphins? The NFL? Yeah. No, no, no,
41:16
no, no. With the Dolphins. With just the Dolphins.
41:21
Correct. Hey, I do know he's there still pending
41:26
litigation for that. Yeah, like that Yeah, that
41:29
case is still open like there's still an investigation
41:31
like all of that is still going through there's
41:34
still lawyers It's still in the courts. That's
41:37
the first thing and then the second thing is
41:40
obviously with Flores I'm sitting there and I'm
41:43
thinking like I Hadn't I hadn't heard or thought
41:46
about him getting a serious head coaching offer
41:49
Is this just them checking the box for the Rooney
41:52
rule? That was where my mind went to those two
41:55
places consecutively when you said his name Well,
41:59
I mean, I'm not gonna go on a rant on the Rudy
42:01
rule But you know the the teams you kind of know
42:07
when teams interview people Certain guys and
42:12
I'm like yet. They're not hiring him as the head
42:14
coach I forget the name. I wish I could think
42:18
about it last year the Patriots and I was just
42:20
a again like we were you know talking about when
42:23
you know your guy, you want your guy, you get
42:25
your guy. Mike Vrabel was the top coaching candidate
42:28
at Patriots, knew that's who they wanted. And
42:31
like I said, I cannot remember who they interviewed.
42:35
And I'm just like, yeah, they're checking a box.
42:38
Cause we all know they're hiring Mike Vrabel.
42:42
I mean, he wasn't even, like I said, I hate that
42:44
I can't think of the name, but he wasn't even
42:46
a head coach at the time. I don't even think
42:49
he was a coordinator at the time. I mean, it
42:50
was just kind of like a random, God and I'm just
42:55
like come on man. Like come on, but Flores Just
42:59
back to Flores though. I thought he did a good
43:02
job in Miami. I think he got a raw deal in Miami
43:04
I think he deserves another shot. I Think he's
43:09
going to be a free agent even as a coordinator
43:12
So another name it if he doesn't get a head coaching
43:15
job, then he's gonna be a defensive coordinator
43:17
somewhere But yeah, I think I think he deserves
43:22
another chance. I mean, that's just me but Yeah,
43:27
no, no, so so do I I mean, I mean again Miami
43:30
is keeping you know, keeping gold rimmed glasses,
43:32
but you know Brian Flores got kicked out after
43:36
improving every year. So Go figure. Yeah every
43:41
time All right, so I think we're I think we're
43:47
done we'll see We'll see what happens with this.
43:51
Obviously, this can be drug out sometimes with
43:54
the playoffs and then waiting on coordinators.
43:57
I know a few of them are interviewing the ones
44:00
with the bye weeks. And yeah, let's see what
44:04
comes out of this. I think next week, the next
44:08
few weeks, it'll start heating up with the with
44:10
the hirings and if there are any more firings.
44:15
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how things
44:17
play out in the next few weeks and you know,
44:20
maybe there are some names that we haven't thought
44:22
about, you know, maybe some coaches that are
44:24
in some different situations or maybe with all
44:28
these shakeups, this is a lot of people just
44:31
kind of sitting out there in the open market.
44:33
Maybe teams use it as an opportunity to maybe
44:35
get rid of a guy and bring somebody else a new
44:37
win. So yeah, anything can happen over the next
44:39
few weeks. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
44:43
Every season. It's a coaching carousel. It's
44:49
the sucky part of the business for guys. They
44:51
lose their jobs. It gets posted everywhere that
44:53
they got fired. But the good news is they get
44:58
paid. Millions. They'll be okay and there's always
45:02
another job or a cushy TV job. Or they go back
45:07
to coordinating. You never know. All right, so
45:12
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