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Fail Forward, Lead Better: 4X Olympian Jordan Larson On The Power Of A Goldfish Mindset, All Things LOVB & The Importance Of Empathy In Sport & Life · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: How do I help others around me believe that they
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  Speaker 1: are unstoppable?
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everyone, Emily A Badi Here. You are listening to.
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  Speaker 3: Another episode of Hurdle, a podcast featuring the mindset, secrets,
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  Speaker 3: and true stories of the most inspiring women in sports
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  Speaker 3: and wellness, empowering you to live a healthier, happier, more
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  Speaker 3: motivated life and of course, conquer your own hurdles. This week,
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  Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Jordan Larsen. She's a woman
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  Speaker 3: whose journey in sport is a masterclass in resilience, leadership,
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  Speaker 3: and the power of continual evolution. She's a professional volleyball player,
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  Speaker 3: a founding athlete for League One Volleyball, and the co
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  Speaker 3: owner of Love Nebraska.
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  Speaker 2: So much has happened since we first spoke for the show.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, and today dive into what it
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  Speaker 3: takes to maintain elite performance over an impressive career that
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  Speaker 3: spanned sixteen plus seasons. Jordan also talks to me about
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  Speaker 3: how she approaches each and every new challenge with a
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  Speaker 3: beginner's mindset and opens up about the immense internal work
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  Speaker 3: required to evolve from being a leader by action to
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  Speaker 3: a vocal, empathetic captain, plus how she learned to separate
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  Speaker 3: her self worth from her on court performance, especially through
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  Speaker 3: a period of personal struggle. We also talk all things
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  Speaker 3: League on Volleyball, and love Nebraska and what it truly
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  Speaker 3: means to be a powerful woman in sports today. Jordan's
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  Speaker 3: willingness to be open and honest about the emotional journey
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  Speaker 3: of an athlete is truly what makes this conversation so compelling.
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  Speaker 3: Her mindset true reblows my mind. You can tell she's
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  Speaker 3: been in this for a long time and she knows
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  Speaker 3: a thing or two about how to conquer hurdles, both.
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  Speaker 3: your podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: And with that, let's get into it. Let's get to
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  Speaker 2: hurdling today. I am sitting down with Jordan Larsen.
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  Speaker 3: She's a pro volleyball player, a founding athlete for League
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  Speaker 3: one Volleyball. She's also the co owner of Love Nebraska. Jordan,
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Hurdle. How we doing good?
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  Speaker 4: How are you doing? Excited to be back. It's so
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  Speaker 4: good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be back.
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  Speaker 3: I you're like one of my favorite people to keep
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  Speaker 3: up with from like the hurdle sphere over the last
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  Speaker 3: few years, and I've loved everything that's happened since we
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  Speaker 3: first connected. So it's so special to have you back
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  Speaker 3: on the show because so much has happened.
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  Speaker 1: So much has happened. I was like trying to think
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  Speaker 1: back on the drive in this morning, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: when was the last time we spoke? That was before?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even remember if.
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  Speaker 3: Four Larsen Hurdle Podcast Google once you were episode one
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  Speaker 3: seventy nine for Contact Jordan, we're currently almost eight hundred
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  Speaker 3: episodes in and that was November. Oh my god, it's
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  Speaker 3: like our anniversary kind of the episode went live on
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  Speaker 3: November tenth, twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 4: Stop it. Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. Well, congratu first of all, eight hundred, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a wild time for hurdle. I know that you
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  Speaker 2: saw that.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're part of the Iheartwoman's Sports podcast network, So
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  Speaker 3: so excited to usher in this chapter and have you
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  Speaker 3: be a part of this exciting time. Exciting time for
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  Speaker 3: you as well. I always like to level set when
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  Speaker 3: we start on the show. Here, give me the lowdown.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 4: That's a great that's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of balls rolling, which is always
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  Speaker 1: a great thing, which sometimes can be overwhelming at times,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, doing quite well. I think that kind of
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  Speaker 1: saying goodbye to the national team and you know that
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  Speaker 1: chapter and it was great, but also feeling like I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of creating roots and roots in a way that
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  Speaker 1: I've never really had for many years. So it's different
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  Speaker 1: and new and also uncomfortable because I'm used to being
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  Speaker 1: on the go so much. So lot's going on, but
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  Speaker 1: all good things.
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  Speaker 3: So how does creating these new roots? Obviously you're in Nebraska,
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  Speaker 3: girly through and through. There's a reason why you have
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  Speaker 3: this nickname, the Governor. But how does staying in one
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  Speaker 3: place make you feel.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little weird, which people are like, how does
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  Speaker 1: that make it weird?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's just when you're used to uprooting your life every
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  Speaker 1: six months, you're you know, your attachment to things. And
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  Speaker 1: now I'm you know, really building a community again, and really,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, being around my family again. It's like
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  Speaker 1: my family is usually coming to me, so now being
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  Speaker 1: there and here in present and I get a host events,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can host Thanksgiving and Christmas and and
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  Speaker 1: kind of creating new traditions because I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so much time has passed that those things haven't happened
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  Speaker 1: for me. So again it's like a weird, uncomfortable thing
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  Speaker 1: but also exciting and new because I haven't had it
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  Speaker 1: in a while.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I hear that.
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  Speaker 3: And it's really just facing maybe the things that you
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  Speaker 3: kind of put on the back burner for a while totally.
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  Speaker 1: Which again it's like I try to be as present
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  Speaker 1: as I could while traveling, but it's so hard. It's
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  Speaker 1: so hard to stay connected and life happens for other people.
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  Speaker 1: You know. My friends are like three kids in and
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  Speaker 1: their kids are already in high school, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I just left, Like how are they
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  Speaker 1: so you know big now, But it's been so fun
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  Speaker 1: to reconnect and just kind of join them where they're at.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's I feel like I've just left college.
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  Speaker 1: Which is I know that's not the case. I don't
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  Speaker 1: look like I just left college, but it feels like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a weird I don't know, it's like my
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  Speaker 1: life pause and everybody's kept going, but mine also did.
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  Speaker 1: It's a weird space but also fun.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you that I had a moment during
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  Speaker 3: the pandemic where I realized that I had been on
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  Speaker 3: go go go in a very different way than you have.
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  Speaker 3: And I sat down one day and did an inventory
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  Speaker 3: of the people that mattered to me in my life,
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  Speaker 3: and like if someone had had a baby and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't feel like I did enough when that happened, I
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  Speaker 3: like sent them a note. I was like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: want to like really try to reclaim some of these
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  Speaker 3: relationships so I can hear what you're saying totally.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it's weird when you finally kind of pause.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to also sit in the pause right when
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  Speaker 1: you've been so used to, like I don't know, filling
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  Speaker 1: your mind with other things that learning how to like
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  Speaker 1: quiet your mind, and the quiet mind is like it's
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  Speaker 1: okay and that nothing is wrong and so and I
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  Speaker 1: think also too, As you know, retirement comes closer to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, without volleyball having that as an outlet, Like,
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  Speaker 1: what does that relationship look like for me too? And
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  Speaker 1: how do I create habits that are healthy now as
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  Speaker 1: an outlet that kind of keep me kind of at bay?
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  Speaker 1: So because everybody's like, oh, that transition is so hard,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, I'm like bracing for you
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  Speaker 1: know something, but just I don't know, feeling like in
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  Speaker 1: a really good place just internally, which I'm forever grateful for.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, you just posted the other day season sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: I forget what the hashtag was. It was something about yes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm still doing this and yes I am old. Yes
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  Speaker 3: sixteen seasons in that is impressive and also such a
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  Speaker 3: testament to how much of a stellar athlete you are.
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  Speaker 3: How does it feel now at the beginning of a
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  Speaker 3: season versus maybe how it felt when we were closer
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  Speaker 3: to seasons one and two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's oddly still this newness and excitement. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm still learning, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 4: And I think.
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  Speaker 1: There have been moments of time in my career that
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  Speaker 1: I burnout was real and I was like, maybe this
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  Speaker 1: is time to step away. But I feel just immense
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  Speaker 1: gratitude that I get it still, you know, lace them
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  Speaker 1: up and I get a problem solve every day with
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  Speaker 1: some of the best, you know, athletes in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just sit in a ton
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  Speaker 1: of gratitude, which I don't know. Again, you would think
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  Speaker 1: being in the sport for so long at some point
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  Speaker 1: like the newness rubs off. But I love every minute
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  Speaker 1: so and I think, actually, I was doing the math today,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like season nineteen technically, I'm like, how
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  Speaker 1: do you count it? Do you count years in the
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  Speaker 1: sport or seasons? Because I did half season, So I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's ever it is that you want exactly, So.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, what do we count here? You know? So,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, it's been fun.
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  Speaker 2: I love what you say about problem solving.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to me about what problem solving looks like for
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  Speaker 3: you on the regular with play, whether it be in
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  Speaker 3: practice or in game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think volleyball is a game of decisions, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you have a certain amount of time to make
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  Speaker 1: the appropriate decision. And so obviously also you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: people in humans, and everybody has a different emotional capacity
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  Speaker 1: of how they get to the same solution. And so
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  Speaker 1: how do you manage people's emotions and then also how
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  Speaker 1: do you execute the skill? And I mean volleyball is
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  Speaker 1: pretty beautiful when it all comes together, and so how
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  Speaker 1: can you make it not feel as chunky? And so
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  Speaker 1: kind of setting a temperature of the room and understanding
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  Speaker 1: like how do I have a conversation or I need
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  Speaker 1: to take over for this situation or I need to
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  Speaker 1: sit back in this situation. So it's really just constantly evaluating,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's also evaluating internally of like what do
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  Speaker 1: I need to give today, what skill is needed most
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  Speaker 1: for me? And then kind of I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: just love like finding that decision every day, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's just micro decisions over time. And I think with
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  Speaker 1: leadership too, it's like how do I show up and
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  Speaker 1: be the best I can and kind of set a
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  Speaker 1: foundation for those If I can be as consistent as possible,
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  Speaker 1: that's where I want to aim at.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, And being a leader is something that you,
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  Speaker 3: I would argue, naturally stepped into as your tenure within
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  Speaker 3: this sport continued. Do you feel like from a young
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  Speaker 3: age you were someone that was up to stepping into
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  Speaker 3: this type of role or is this a skill that
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  Speaker 3: you as we're talking about learning and growing and problem solving,
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  Speaker 3: really homed in on over time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely evolved over time.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I was always I always felt a
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  Speaker 1: little different, you know, my mind was a little different.
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  Speaker 1: How I approach the game was a little different. But
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  Speaker 1: I think I went for more of a leadership by action,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my work ethic, how I you know, pursued
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  Speaker 1: and practice, you know, those kind of things I think
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  Speaker 1: really were the foundational piece for me. And I think
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  Speaker 1: where I've had to evolve is like, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: about what's happening between the white lines. It's about how
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  Speaker 1: I get to know my teammates, how I'm showing up
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  Speaker 1: for them. They are human beings, you know, they aren't machines.
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  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes I equate myself as a machine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you just do this and you execute. But
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  Speaker 1: there's just so much more to the game. And I
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  Speaker 1: think my ability to read the room has gone up immensely,
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  Speaker 1: and then that way it allows people to feel seen
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  Speaker 1: and heard, and then they can be their best selves
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  Speaker 1: around me as well, because unfortunately I have this layer
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  Speaker 1: of intimidation. You know, I blame it on my dad
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, I kind of have the
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  Speaker 1: Larsen you know, grin or seriousness, which can be perceived
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  Speaker 1: just externally different. So I've had to really work hard
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  Speaker 1: to kind of break that down. And then also what
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  Speaker 1: I've done within the sport too. You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: it can be intimidating to, you know, to be around,
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  Speaker 1: but I think, at the end of the day, like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm human too, and I just want to be great.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you find that balance?
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate your resting bitch face. Jordan, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, it's so true. It's so I had to say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's so true. I'm like, half the time, it's really
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  Speaker 1: not what's happening inside. I wish you could feel, but
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  Speaker 1: it's It's really been something I've had to work on.
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  Speaker 1: And but yeah, what.
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  Speaker 2: An interesting thing to come to terms with and recognize.
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  Speaker 3: And also I really appreciate you saying that it's bigger
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  Speaker 3: than what just happens within the white lines. When you
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  Speaker 3: talk about going beyond those white lines and we think
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  Speaker 3: about the work that needs to happen off the court,
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  Speaker 3: what comes to mind for you?
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  Speaker 2: What kind of work does that entail?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think like understanding where people are coming from,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I think every day, you know, someone may
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  Speaker 1: have something happening in their life and they're showing up
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  Speaker 1: with the heaviness in their heart and they're like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot execute today and like I need help. I
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  Speaker 1: think if you get to know them in a setting
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  Speaker 1: that's a little bit not as harsh, then they can
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  Speaker 1: ask for help sooner. And then also they can also
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  Speaker 1: understanding where you're coming from. So maybe that's a coffee date,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's we're going to dinner. Maybe it's just in
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  Speaker 1: a group setting outside the gym, you know, of just
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  Speaker 1: small conversations here and there. I think add a layer
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  Speaker 1: of depth to humanity that allows people to say, like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we are playing a sport and it matters
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  Speaker 1: winning and losing matters unfortunately, but at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, it's like we're here just to do what
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  Speaker 1: we love and we love doing it with the people
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  Speaker 1: that we love. So I think remembering that and staying rooted,
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  Speaker 1: and that was never always me, you know, I was like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: if we don't win this game, like my life will end,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like you know, I'd very was just like
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  Speaker 1: live and breathe it and everything matters, and it does,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I think it's how can you find
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  Speaker 1: the balance in that? And is their balance?
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  Speaker 2: When did that change?
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  Speaker 1: I think prior to the twenty twenty I never know
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  Speaker 1: why I said twenty twenty Olympic Games technically twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: I think that whole quad I learned that, like if
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  Speaker 1: this is my last go like how do I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to look and feel at the end, regardless of outcome?
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  Speaker 1: And how can I separate myself from this athlete of
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  Speaker 1: like it all matters, and it does because you need
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  Speaker 1: to be great with all the things, but also this
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  Speaker 1: human element of like you know, when you get the
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  Speaker 1: metal on your neck, it's like a snapshot in time.
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  Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's a thing that happens, but
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  Speaker 1: it's because of the journey. And I think there's just
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  Speaker 1: so much more depth to that and meaning. And I think, like, actually,
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  Speaker 1: where my purpose came from was that, And it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: oh well, now I'm a gold medalist, Like now it
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  Speaker 1: defines me, Like I really didn't think I was going
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  Speaker 1: to have that much weight to it, maybe than when
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  Speaker 1: I was younger, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm really proud for the internal work that
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing of just like how to separate the
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  Speaker 1: two because it's hard because I just love the sports
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  Speaker 1: so much and I love being around it, so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to be able to then model that for
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  Speaker 3: the next generation of players and your teammates as they
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  Speaker 3: come up, right, to be able to show them that
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  Speaker 3: it's so much bigger than just the outcome of a
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  Speaker 3: single match.
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  Speaker 1: It is too, And it's like how I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: feel it too, And like your line of work, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: how do you define success right? And what does success
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  Speaker 1: look like? And how do you want it.
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  Speaker 4: To feel right?
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  Speaker 1: Because you could get it all and have it all,
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  Speaker 1: and there's an emptiness piece that will come with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's I think inevitable, right, because if you dive everything
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  Speaker 1: into it, there's something that you lose a part of you.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be a little delusional. But on the
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  Speaker 1: same side of it is like, how can you have
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  Speaker 1: this like piece that like whatever comes comes as it
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  Speaker 1: may and the outcome is just a byproduct of everything
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  Speaker 1: that's come you know to it. So I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: can sit back at times where you're like the loneliness
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  Speaker 1: and the quiet work is like rigorous and you're just
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  Speaker 1: like why am I doing this? But like when you
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  Speaker 1: get to some level of success, it's like all right,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is why?
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: That's such an important distinction as well, because success isn't
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  Speaker 3: just a thing that happens, It's a feeling that comes
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  Speaker 3: with it. So when you think about success and how
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  Speaker 3: you wanted to feel what comes up for you.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more like this legacy piece of like Okay,
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  Speaker 1: how was I maybe personally able to impact the sport
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  Speaker 1: but then also impact those around me as far as
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  Speaker 1: like them having internal belief in themselves that they can
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  Speaker 1: do it. And I think that's where I've fallen in
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  Speaker 1: love with the most, is like how do I help
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  Speaker 1: others around me believe that they are unstoppable? And I
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: don't care about me at all, Like honestly, like I
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: could have a terrible game and I'm just like whatever,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Like of course I want to be great, but like
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's not where the worth is coming from,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying?
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: So I think it's.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: More about like how are my teammates outcomes more beneficial
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: that lead to success for them than therefore it kind
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: of feels like a success or a win for me.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: It's so interesting too, because you're saying that this realization
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: for you really came together at a time when success
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: was measurable buy the best of the best outcome, right,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: But in that time you came to understand that it
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: was bigger than just walking away with that gold medal.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly totally, which is like you would think, like that
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, but inside, like internally like really like
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: there's just like this general piece of like I've even
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't a gold medal, It's like I knew
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: that I did everything that I could, you know, with
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: what I had and also what we did as a team,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Like we did everything that we could. We checked all
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the boxes to try to do it right, and that's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: ultimately what you want and what you hope for.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: So there's no complaints there for sure.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Was there a point as you got closer to twenty
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty twenty one where you're maybe wondering, okay, am
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I winding down in Sport and you took a look
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: at this legacy and you were like, I haven't done
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: what I wanted to do.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yet No, I was really at peace with all of it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I was at a place where I could walk away,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: and I think that's what's made these last, you know,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: four years even sweeter is like one of my mentors,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: su Enquist. You know, she talks about a little bit
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of her life like she's living on house money. And
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I really feel like I've been granted, you know, luckily
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: my body has, you know, been able to withstand just
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: extra years of sport that I get to enjoy and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: really taking it as a blessing that I get to continue,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: even though I feel like I have been in a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: space that I could walk away at any time, and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was ever the case before,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I think I would have it would have been hard
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to walk away.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: You joke about your age, Does it make you annoyed
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: when people ask you about it?
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Not really.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I really try to like make it lighthearted because there's
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: days that I'm like even today, like I went, we
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: went pretty hard these last two days of practice, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I woke up today and I'm like.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Not too bad. I feel pretty good, you know.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, I'm around like twenty two year olds,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: and there's some days we're just different life, you know, situations,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, I think I I personally judge
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: at that age, like I was like, you're over thirty,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: what are you doing with your life? But now being
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: in it, you know, I'm like, do it?
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: You go? Girl? Like why not?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Like if you love it, like go for it. And
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: everybody that retires too early, they're like, I wish I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: would have stayed. So that's the only advice that I've
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: ever really heard of, like, oh no, you should retire sooner.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: That's never been what I've heard. So like, well, if
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I can still do it, why not.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Now? In this new chapter as a co owner of
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Love Nebraska, talk to me about what that's been like
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: So the last couple of years, I've kind of really
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: learned more on the business side of just like how
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you know, professional sports come together. I'm still learning. There's
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that I don't fully understand. But
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I just love the momentum that Vulliaball is having at
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: this moment. It feels so different than the past, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the fact that I get to be home and play
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: is still and then still be on the side of
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: learning about business. Really it's cool to see and to understand.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: It's so interesting because like, for instance, over the last
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: few years, I have worked more, let's say, with sports
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: marketing folks than I have with communications folks. It went
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: from me writing stories about products to now creating events
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: that engage consumers and really using a different part of
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: my brain. So I round this back to as you're
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: learning more about the business side of things, like what's
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: been perhaps the biggest surprise for you are really been
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: something that hey, like I didn't expect that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is just a lot of cohusion.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: It's even like the competitive side, you know, of like
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: understanding and also just relationship building, right, I think, how
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: do you want to create a culture and business of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like people that you want to surround yourself with? And
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I think you can be kind of picky in that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of like who are my partners? Who do we want
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: this identity to look like and feel like? And I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: feel like Nebraska is an interesting market as far as
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: just you know, there's really no pro sports here, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: there haven't been, you know, and like how do we
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: create this still like you know, Nebraska is not for
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: everyone slogan, but it really you know what Nebraska really
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: means to people and what volleyball means across the state,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and so who you choose to go in business with
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and partner with really does matter. So I think that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing when you're picking a team or
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like understanding how a team comes together. There's certain you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: know aspects that you want and that you're trying to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: build a culture around. So I think there's again there's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: more to it as well, but I feel like that
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: has been like the coolest piece of it too, is
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: just really getting to know partners.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: It's so cool they get to know partners to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: able to build something that will have a lasting legacy
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: not only in your state, but then of course the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: greater magnitude within women's sports. I would be remiss if
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: we didn't lay some groundwork for people that may not
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: be familiar with League one to explain not only what
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the league is, what it looks like, and perhaps after
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: we do that, where it's going.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: League and bloball started about five years ago at the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: club level, where we have been going around like purchasing
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a number of clubs. I think now we're up to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: eighty youth clubs and kind of just generating this youth
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to pro model of and you can kind of, I guess,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: compare it a little bit to Overseas professional volleyball. Right,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: they don't have collegiate systems, so a lot of their
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: clubs have a youth program attached to their pro and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how they build up to being a pro.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Where ours is a little bit different in the fact
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that our youth, you know, twelve to eighteen, we have
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: club level and then people go on to college and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: then we're building hopefully a sustainable model post college and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: for athletes to come in and be able to do that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Now there's two buckets, Love Club and Love Pro. Now
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: obviously Love Pro came on the scene the last two years,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and we'll continue to grow and we're adding cities as
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: we go. We just added La last I think it
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: was a couple of months ago, and we just added
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Minnesota team. So going to continue to hopefully expand cities
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and expand markets. Volleyball is interesting of like where you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: popularity is and I think also understanding where these clubs
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and where we continue to grow education. But it's volleyball
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: is the most played youth sport at the moment. And
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I think we'll continue to grow as the years go on.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we're looking at.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It's it's wild.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I was reading up on statistics about volleyball's popularity in
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the United States, and I think I read a statistic
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: or something that was like three hundred thousand young women
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: play club volleyball in the United States co sign Yeah, something.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I guess I would say it could possibly be more.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, just take for example, when I started playing club,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: which was at twelve, which I'm almost forty now, so
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: it's a long time ago. I mean, I bet there
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: was five major clubs here in the metro, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: eastern part of Nebraska. And at the time, like of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: those clubs, there was about two teams per age group,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: so again a handful of you know, maybe from that's
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: from twelve to eighteen. Now it's like there's five, five
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to six teams per age group, and then there's a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: regional team, and then there's like a non regional team,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: so there's travel teams and their home and now they're
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: also doing it in the middle of high school season.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So if you're not playing high school and you want
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to play volleyball, like there's opportunities to play even during
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm my mind is like wait, what like and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they're sometimes having to turn kids away, and so it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I mean here, it's like off the chart, So I
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: would be shocked if it's not even maybe more than that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's because Nebraska is a volleyball state.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: We really are, We really are.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: We do do differently here, but it has been really
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it's been impressive. I think for even me coming back
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: now and being in the community and just seeing how
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: much growth has happened is really beautiful.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting to me.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Fun fact, this isn't about me, but I'm going to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: tell you that I played volleyball in high school my
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: freshman year, and then I didn't make the JV team
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: in high school because I couldn't run a mile in
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: under ten minutes and so I got cut, which we
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: know is a really unfortunate part of that statistic that
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: young woman drop out of sport at double the rate
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: of young men. So hearing you talk about how now
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: there's so many different avenues for someone to get involved
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: in a sport like volleyball, it brings me hope and excitement,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and I think it's symbolic and indicative of where we're
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: going with our culture of encouraging young women to not
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: only get involved in sport, but really stay in sport.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And I I'm sorry about that, by the way,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: because it's like running fall I'm like running the mile
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: on the sport, it actually doesn't.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Apply, you know, could not be farther away from like
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: something that I needed in the.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: White lines exactly. Well.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And then it's also like now you run for a living.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, right, I mean, I mean for fun,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: but just that, yeah, exactly. So anyways, it's yeah, you're right,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And I just I think women just stepping into a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: place that like we get to do it as a job.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You know. So many of my friends are having babies
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and coming back and people are supporting that, like I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if that existed before. And I just am
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: so excited to see the landscape change and like you said,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: opportunities to continue to grow. And now it's like I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: think to what I'm most excited about is that the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: United States hasn't seen pro volleyball really besides the Olympics,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you know, and so there is a difference you know
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: between college ball and you know, pro and I hope
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that with time and exposure, they're going to continue to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: learn more about what the differences are.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And even indoor versus beach.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Right, It's like when we think about the Olympics.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: If we go back to that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: So many people were dialed in on what was going
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: on in front of the Eiffel Tower in the Paris Games,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: but there was so much more volleyball that was happening inside.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, and I get it, Like, I mean, Eiffel Tower,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like the the beach court was pretty, it was gorgeous,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: But no, it is there is a lot of, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: volleyball that was happening. But yeah, again, I think it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: just knowledge and exposure and I think that people are
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: getting behind it. So I'm confident that it's going to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: continue to change. And but yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I want to pivot a little bit and talk about
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: what was going on for you over the last couple
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: of years. I know that you've spoken out about how
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: you yourself as an athlete, experienced a bit of burnout
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and even commented further to saying that you had been
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: having a tough time.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: What was going on and how are we feeling now?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the last time we spoke, that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was you said, twenty twenty one. Yeah, So unfortunately I
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: had been going through another divorce and this one kind
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of came out of left field a little bit.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I was really at a place where I was again
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: ready to retire and kind of give over the reins
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of you know, I feel like as athletes, there's a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: selfish layer, even though it's maybe non intentional. It's like, hey,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I have this goal and I'm trying to go and
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: but also trying to have a family and all these things.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And so I was really at a place where I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you know, willing to give up and ready to give
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: up my playing career and be a wife and a mom.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately that didn't work out, and so I was
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: kind of stuck at a place where I'm like, all right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: well what I had thought my life was going to be,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: like we're starting over. And so then I I took
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a contract in Italy and I was like, well, maybe
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: maybe I still want to play, you know, like it
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was still like I we'll see. So I took the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: contract and I was like, oh my gosh. First of all,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: playing in Italy is amazing. And then I really found
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that I still love it, you know. And then I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: was like, well, it's the national team still on and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I talk to Karch and so then I was like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: all right, well maybe I'll try for Paris. You know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: who's to say, Like, I don't know how I'm gonna feel,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: but we'll give it a shot. But I didn't want
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to be half in, half out, So I was like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: if I'm committing, I'm going to commit. So went on
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to train with the national team. But I also got
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: into coaching, So I came back to Nebraska trying to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: just be around family, having support and kind of really
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: rebuilding myself because I had lost just a lot of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of me. I think going through divorce of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: any kind or breakup is hard on people, and I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was in a pretty rough place and I'm grateful for
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the community here. And I kind of got into coaching
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit and then was still playing and kind
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of got the best of both worlds. So yeah, I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: really just started building myself up lots of therapy, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like today I'm in a place of just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: loving myself and finding inner peace and learning that that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: is actually the true happiness is where that's at, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. There's still hard days, but I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: feel like in a really good place now.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you for sharing that with me, And I
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: think that what I'm hearing you say really is that
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: sports showed up.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: For you maybe when you needed it more than ever.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: This opportunity to step into this coaching role and really
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: embrace and continue to develop so many of the skills
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that you've already exemplified are so strong for you when
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you feel weak.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: In other aspects of your life.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: To be able to show up on the core work
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: with others and be that leader that was something that
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: could help fill your cup back up again.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Oh immensely.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And I am so grateful that the doors were still open,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: opportunities were still there. And uh yeah, even the coaching piece,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: it was like seeing and teaching, you know, of just
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and seeing girls excel and areas that you know you
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: had a small piece in, you know, seeing them light
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: up that they learned something new really gave me hope
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and happiness. So I'm really grateful, And I but a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: lot of work internally. I'm realizing I'm highly codependent, I really, yeah,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just learning a lot of things about myself that I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: think it's important to do. It's in If any advice,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I would say being single for a long time, learn
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: about yourself really truly and find you and then you
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: can you know, be in a good relationship, healthy relationship,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: all things.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, we need to talk about your Eprey love
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: moment in Italy.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Oh it was amazing, right, amazing and also well it
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: had to be challenging at times, right because solo travel. Yes,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you have the team, and but it's a different relationship
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: because you're traveling internationally to play. But I would imagine
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: it was a lot of both. It was I am
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: so grateful to be here. It feels so good to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: be playing again. And whilst here I am sitting and
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: eating pasta by myself.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was all those feelings all at once. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you can imagine too, it's like two when you're also
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: in a marriage, you know, and you have your person,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like you're used to checking in all the time,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, and.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: You lose that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It's that was tough, you know, the silence of that,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the heaviness of that, and like you said, being alone
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: over there, it's like it really taught me to like
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to run often I was like, I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to be here, but nothing else feels good.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to be here, but like nothing
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: feels good.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: It's just like I was searching for something when reality
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it's all right here. It's just like piecing it all
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: back together. So, like you said, it was a mix
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of all those things. But I've found wonderful community along
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the way and it's been really great.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: How do you cope with this coming inward of sorts?
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Because I think this is something that's actually super relatable
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and something that a lot of people struggle with, whether
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it is you know, moving on from a relationship or
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: just really trying to get to this place where you
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: feel more comfortable with yourself.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Were there any strategies that you used.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Or tools that you needed, journaling, actually physically running, like
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: what helped you get better with being less codependent and
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: better with just being Jordan.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question, and I'm still learning kind
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: of what that is for me. But I would say
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of therapy, Like I really believe it,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: like having someone outside of your life, like have just
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a place to like trauma dump, Like just dude, this
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is what I'm feeling today like I don't know where
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it's coming from.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I think also learning about where your foundation is. You know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I grew up in a divorce family. You know though,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: all those things kind of have an impact on how
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I perceive the world and how I perceive myself. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: then I also think, like I I'm big on routine,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like doing a lot of the same thing every day,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: like waking up at the same time, whether that's journaling.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I'm working on what that routine is for me. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: then also sitting, you know, half the time where this
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like the instant any feeling of uncertainty comes,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it's like okay, let me just scroll, let me mindlessly scroll,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: versus like how much are we actually just sitting in quiet?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And so I'm really working on when those moments of
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: quietness come and the heaviness comes, like what can I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: do to just sit in it? Because oftentimes I just
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: want to do something to avoid it, so.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: We're not the only one sitting in it is hard, right,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Like feeling your feelings is hard.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard, But I learned that like actually it
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that it's okay to be on my own and that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I am enough on my own and of course I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: want to be in a relationship and all the things.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: And you know, also my relationship with volleyball, Like what
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: does that look like? Has that been an outlet? Is
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: out a safe outlet? Like that's not always going to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: be there. So it's like all these internal conversations that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: are happening. But yeah, finding just and I think sitting
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: in gratitude too, Like what are at the end of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the day, what I through things you're grateful for, Like
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: keeps you rooted in all things, because there's always something
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: or someone battling something worse than you, and who are
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you to think that you're better than that?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: So definitely, you know, you're never really alone in how
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you feel, like there's someone else out there that's feeling
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the way that you're feeling. And it's just recognizing that
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you don't have to sit alone in that feeling, recognizing
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: that there is just more out there.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely so. And I'm like definition of hard. You know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I think I've gone through a lot of hard things
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: in my life, but I would say these last couple
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of years have been probably the hardest. And I can
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: say today, you know, they always say, like on the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: other side of it is like beautiful, and I will
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: say that like it is and you can get there,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as you've been getting to be better, are sitting
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: with Jordan.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I usually say this for the end of the show.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: But now when you look in the mirror, what is
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: it that you see looking back at you.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that someone who likes to compete at
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: things right, just in general. But I think at the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: base of all of it is that I want to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: see the best in everyone, and I want to see
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: just accept people for where they are, regardless of what
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: they have coming into the situation or what they have
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: going on in their life. Like I just want to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: meet them where they're at. And that again, even though
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I have this hard exterior, like I feel deeply and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I care deeply, I think learning how to translate that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: better as I get older is really important for me.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: So important, I feel that, especially the older transition. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: feel as though every day that goes by, I'm like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: am I saying what I want to say?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Am I?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I mean this even goes back to your legacy comment, right,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: It's like, how am I making people feel?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Because that's the most important piece of the puzzle totally.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a balance between like people pleasing right,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: because it's like, how do you like go about like, hey,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to state the truth. The truth may be hard,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: but like on the side of like it's coming from
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a deep level of care and love, you know. But
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: then it's also I want to be your friend, you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: so like can those two things exist?
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So, but I am I'm really grateful for the journey,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and I think, like, yeah, just having more confidence in
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: who I am and that it's enough and that it's okay.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: So how does it feel for you now to be
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: kind of transitioning into what will ultimately become this mentorship
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: coaching role. Are you feeling a little nostalgic for what
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: was or does this excite you a little bit more?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's a mix of both.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I really love working at Nebraska, and I don't know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: there's maybe still a door open there in the future,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know what that looks like. I would
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: love to be involved in some capacity, But yeah, I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: just think the mentorship piece, it's like, Okay, I know
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I was a different athlete, so I think that's where
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it can be a little bit different as far as like, Okay,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: this is what I did. Now how do I see
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: these athletes from where they are and then how can
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: we move the needle for them? So I just love
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: like thinking about how to problem solve that, Like that
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: is what I'm most excited for. And I think just
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: seeing the game from a different eye, you know, of
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: like how can you still like win or find success
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: based off of like where your position is. So I'm
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: really excited for it and kind of seeing what's next time?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: What do you want them to have that maybe you
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: felt like was missing for you.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And I'll give you some context here.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: So when I think about the work that I'm doing today,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I don't remember when I was younger and I was
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: dealing with my own health struggles to be able to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: look at someone who I felt like understood when I
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: was going and throw I was a young woman in
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: a bigger body who didn't see women in bigger bodies
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: that were active the way that marketing was at that time,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: it was awful, right, So now I get to step
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: into this role where I can be a resource for
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: so many people who maybe have felt at.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Some time in a similar way.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: So now as you step into this mentorship and this
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: coaching role, what did you feel like was missing that
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: you now have an opportunity to bring to the table.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's like the level of IQ, you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I think so much of maybe what people perceive, even
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: from a fans standpoint, it's like, oh, this girl can
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: jump high and hit hard and kill balls. Right to me,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: there's so much more to the game than just being
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: able to kill a ball. There's a lot of little
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: plays that aren't on the stat sheet, that aren't seen.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: How are you as a teammate, How are you supporting
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: one another? How are you creating trouble on the other
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: side of the net, even if it's not killing the ball.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I think there's all these little stats that like we
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: don't see, but to me, that adds up to a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: lot lot more value over time. And I also think
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the meaning of success right, like how do you want
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it to feel at the end? I think that to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: me matters more than you know a winner loss's And
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: also I think the risk of failure right Sometimes in
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: our gym we talk about failing fast, like the faster
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you fail, the more you learn, and so like, how
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: is this like risk taking how much risk are you
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: taking in practice? Because the more risk you take, when
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you get to game time, you're you're like, well, I've
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: done this a thousand times and I've created this risk
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and now I know the exact result is what I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: want to go. So I think there's a lot of
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: nuances that can kind of come with it. But I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: would say those be the first two.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: What do you think the fastest you've ever failed and
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: learned has been?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say my first quad on the national
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: team twenty twelve. Like it was kind of like, hey,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to teach you all these new skills, and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what, Like I was, I'm just a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: national championship, Like I just want like does that not enough?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: You know, like on you know, I should know everything already,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And he was like, no, no, we're going to reteach
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you everything and if you don't learn, like you're just
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: gonna self select out. And I'm like, Okay, well I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: better learn and I better learn fast and I'm probably
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: gonna suck to start, And but I found that, like
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I kind of succumbed to that as far as like
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: this isn't going to be pretty. But sometimes we get
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: worse before we get better. And I really bought into
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that concept. So I'm really grateful for that time, those
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: first two years, and I think that was probably the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: biggest I would say shift for me. That also allowed
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: my brain to like go there more when I was
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: learning a new skill along my career.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: What do you say to the person that has really
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: not absorbed this concept of failure as opportunity because for
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: so many you can get so down and out, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: especially understandably when you've worked hard towards something and it
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't go your way, they can get so down and
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: out and then they're kind of down and out for
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: a bit. How you embrace perhaps maybe a little bit
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: more of that fail forward and at times a goldfish mindset?
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think exactly.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I think what you just said goldfish like how quickly
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: we talk about failure recovery, right, like how quickly can
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you come out of the bottom right and not sitting
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in it? And I think asking for help, asking for resources?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: What do those resources look like for you? And maybe
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that's even as a different direction, you know, maybe it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: not the path that you are on, Like how do
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I try something else or something new? You know, sometimes
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: when they I don't know. When we're talking about skill development,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes if you just change the environment that you're in
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: actually creates a different like style of learning or maybe
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: something that you weren't doing before. So but I think
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you're right gold like being goldfish like, it's so true.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I will say, even for me, like
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: as I transition into a different role in the coming years,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you know, it is scary. It's like, well, I've known
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: exactly how to execute cute a job for the last
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: thirty years basically, like, well, like what am I getting
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to and have the grace that I'm probably not going
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to have it figured out and I probably don't know everything.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: You've played valibell for a long time. But coaching is different,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you know, And how do I want to be and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: how do I want people to feel? That's going to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: take time and I think not judging yourself also like
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: where you're at.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, as you were saying, the being
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: willing to embrace those failures and sometimes understand that the
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: path isn't going to be the one that you envisioned.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: It's hard not to then bring us back to that
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: conversation of you making that hard pivot after your divorce,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: right and getting to this place where you had to
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: fully embrace this is how it is now, and it
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: was different five minutes ago, and it's going to be
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: different five minutes from now.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But all I can do is the best I can
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: in this situation.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so true.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Well even for you, I'm sure like the marketing piece
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: now right, like as you're transitioning, like if you would
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: have probably just stayed in your lane, like you would
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: have never had these opportunities. And sometimes it's like maybe
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: we're just not looking in the right places, you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: maybe there's opportunities in other facets that you know you're
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: risking something else and maybe you still feel there, you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you don't know, but unless you're kind of and it
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: really just depends internally how you are, because there's some
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: days where I was like I can't get out of bed,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like there is just the heaviness of the day,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: everything that's going on, Like those things are real and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: like you're almost paralyzed that you're just like nothing doesn't matter,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's I don't know, I think like
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: having community around you that can continue to encourage and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: breathe light into you, I think is equally just as important.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: It's so important, and also doing that audit of what's
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: important to you. I haven't talked about this much on
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: the show, but there's a lot of runners that listen
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: to the show. Understandably, I'm a runner as well. But
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I had to make a conscious decision on what I
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to do and how I wanted to keep learning
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and moving forward. I didn't want to just have conversation
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: with female runners. I love them, they're amazing, but I
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: wanted to grow and understand the mindset for women who
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: are the best to do what they do across sport,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: across wellness. And that's why I'm entering into this new
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: chapter for the show, because.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I want to keep learning.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Just like you, you ask yourself at the beginning of
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: a new season, am I done learning yet? And when
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: you look around you and you see that there's still
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: opportunity to garner new inspiration and continue to be a
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: student of the sport, that's what keeps you coming back
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: for more.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And I think, yeah, you just keep expanding
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: on that and it's and it's beautiful to learn and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it's hard though. It's like man, but if you think
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you got it all figured out, then that's the wrong
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: for me. It's like the wrong place to be as well.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: So and I think I just never I've always had
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: this general layer of curiosity, like just tell me what
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: it is, even for you, I'm like, let me ask
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you all these questions.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I want to know, like why do you want to
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: do what you do? You know?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Like I love that you're curious, and I think, like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: in my we need more of it, you know. I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: think it's we have so much access at our hands now,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: which is great, you know, and I believe that we're
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: more educated, but yeah, I love that the curiosity piece too.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: How do you think that your curiosity is working to
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: your advantage right now?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: In this chapter?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I think just embracing changes, you know, like what it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: not going to feel great, you know, because it's different,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that's okay, and that doesn't mean it's wrong, and that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: remain curious and keep asking questions, and that it's never
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I am grateful. My mom was always like, hey, there's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: no dumb questions, like just keep asking, you know. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I think that there's something to be said about that,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and I feel like that has always remained true to me.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's just like I'm going to ask you probably a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: bajillion questions, but I'm probably going to get to the route,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you know eventually. You know.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: So ninety nine point nine percent of the time, what
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I have found is that if you have a question
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: and you're worrying that it's a dumb question, more often
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: than not, someone sitting next to you at that exact
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: moment probably has the exact same one totally totally.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if you're the person that just asks,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like cares, but yeah, I'm the same. I'm like, just
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: ask the question like it's okay, And the person that's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: even the one that is being asked the question, you're like, oh,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I've totally why you would ask that, you know. So
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: it's more of us like having the internal battle ourselves
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: than actually what the perception of reality is.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: What's your hope moving forward when we think about love.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Love in general, or love that I mean, whatever you
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: want to take, Where are we going with that?
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: No?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: No, honestly, for League one, I just really hope that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that people continue to fall in love
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: with the sport, and that having access to a higher
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: level only brings more depth of love and expansion, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that we can continue to elevate female in sport and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: really giving them opportunities to see a life as a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: professional athlete at home, you know, and that having a
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: baby and coming back is a possibility and you can
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: have both and do very well at them. And then
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: for love, for me, it's like loving myself and loving
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: where I'm at and just taking it a day at
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: a time.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that you answered both sides of that question.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: It wasn't even intentional. Candidly, I don't foresee a world
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: where League one doesn't continue to grow to rapid fanfare.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I believe right now.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: With the culture that we're seeing within women in sport
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: and also with what we've seen with the WNBA. I mean,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: we're finally looking at a CBA that's a minimum salary
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: of one point one million per player, like that's been
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: so long in the making. So the momentum is there,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and that conversation wouldn't even be possible had it not
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: been for that momentum.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And that I just got chills because it's
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like I don't know to think about, you know, I
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of volleyball players that have committed you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: two cycles Olympics, you know, are still having to work right,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and I think they want to work right. And so
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I think about most men that are in professional sports
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: in the United States, like once they retire, like it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: like they really don't have to work, Like they can
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: be at home, they can do all these things. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: so the fact is, like, now we have women that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: could be making that and like setting themselves up for
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a wonderful future that they can be home with their
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: families and they get to choose what they want to
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: do post retirement. And the freedom that comes with that
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is like just immense. And so I think that not
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: only am I excited, like you said, to like continue
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to see the expansion, but just also the freedom, the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: financial freedom, the personal freedom that the love that you
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: have for the sport can go somewhere and do something
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: bigger than what we ever imagine.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: It's so true.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Now you just said some people keeping up other jobs.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: What's the craziest job that you know someone has maintained
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: while playing pro volleyball?
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I've been lucky that I've been surrounded that
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: people continue they can they can have just only that life.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: But it's like post retirement, they have to do something.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: So I will say, though there are certain countries. You know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: when I played in Puerto Rico, it was like we
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: had to have a practice in the evening because everybody
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: was working at nine to five, so it was only
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock practice eight to ten. And it's not normal
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: to just be a professional athletes. So I wouldn't say
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: there's a crazy job that I've heard per se, but
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: there are even now I have a teammate now she's
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: working typically two jobs, you know, remotely that she's you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: still trying to she wants to buy a house, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: it's just like, wait, what are we doing? What?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: You know, how does this work.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: It's many years ago I wrote this article on this
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: female cycling team out of California, and I interviewed a
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: handful of the ladies and all of them had crazy
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: cool jobs before they finally decided, Okay, I'm gonna go
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: out on a whim and try to follow my passion. Right.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Many of them.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Were teachers or doctors or lawyers, and then they were like,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: life is too short not to at least give this
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: a full try.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And I just thought, that is so awesome.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: You're not talking to respectfully male pro cyclists who were
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: former lawyers and doctors.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: They just went all in on that from the get go.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I know it's so true, and I commend people that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: are able to do that, that are even in a
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: profession for twenty plus years, and like, actually, I want
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: to go back to school like that is like that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: is bravery at its finest. So it's yeah, cool.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And it's finest.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, So before I let you go here, today, we
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: are thinking about the next year of Love.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: It's something to look forward to.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Now we have Love Nebraska, what will be changing for you?
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: It's interesting for me this like dichotomy of being a
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: player and a co owner. Is that weird at times
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: for you?
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: The first conversation we had a first team meeting, it
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: was like one of my teammates like, so, can you
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: fire me? And I was like no, Like, I mean,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: it's a real legit question, right, especially if you're not
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: really maybe understanding the business side. But yeah, no, it's uh,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: it's fine. And I feel like we've kind of had
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that conversation of what that looks like. But luckily that
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: the ownership piece and that they've just allowed me to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: continue and embrace this year of playing and really enjoy
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the process as I go. So what I'm really just
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: excited for. I love the girls that I feel like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: we created a great foundation last year and it feels
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: very seamless as we come into season two now, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: as we continue to ramp up and there's excitement for
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the for the season, I'm I don't know. I think
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: it's gonna look different, it's gonna feel different, And we
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: learned a lot first year, and I think it's gonna
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: be even better this year.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Biggest learning from year one.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I think we just didn't know. You know.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: It's like we're we're creating these positions in a place
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: that we've never seen before, right, So almost this layer
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of expectation of like, oh, right, well, this is what
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it should look like and how it should be, and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it's just like, but we really don't know, right And
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: so now coming into year two, it's like, all right, now,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I know exactly how I want this to look, how
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I wanted to feel. And last year it wasn't bad.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: There was a little clunkiness, you know, of just you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: maybe travel or you know, scheduling or something like that.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: But I think it's you know, we're learning now. It's like,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: all right, we're hitting the ground run. And now we
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: have a new facility that we're in, which is absolutely beautiful,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, it feels so much more just
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: ready and wholesome this.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Year ready and wholesome.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: You know, in order to do something different, you have
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: to do things that are different, right, and so to
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: create something from scratch is hard, regardless of what you're
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: working on. But to do it with such momentum like
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: we saw in year one, I can only imagine that
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: really exciting and good things are ahead for you all. Now,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: final question for you, Jordan. I really appreciate how you
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: opened up today about what you've been going through over
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: the last few years. I think that vulnerability is just
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: so important for so many people listening.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Knowing what you know, now, what.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Advice would you give yourself, Let's say, even like twenty
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: twenty three, twenty twenty four, are going through that Hurtle moment.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there was moments where I was
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: still trying to like run, you know, like I internally
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: was just like I want to feel good and like
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: seeking in maybe places that I shouldn't have, you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: and whether that's you know, I don't know, putting myself
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: in positions that I just shouldn't have been in, you know.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: And but like the feeling of depth of emotion that
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I was feeling that I was just like, man, I
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: don't know, something just not right. And so I think
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I would go back to tell myself that like, it's
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: gonna hurt, but that doesn't mean that that's wrong, that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: like even in the pain and the hurt, like it's
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: okay to sit in it, and that on the other
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: side of like taking the time to heal internally, like
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be worth it. So I think I'm kind
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: of hitting that. I would say the last year or
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: so of just this piece, I think I wish I
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: would have done that maybe a little bit sooner. So
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm really grateful and never I probably never would
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: have said that a couple of years ago, because it
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: was it was hard, but it's been a really good
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: journey of just finding who I am again.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Hard but better for it again. Thank you so much
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: for sharing so much with us today. I'm so excited
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: that we were able to sit down again. It's been
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: too long, Jordan. For those that aren't following along with
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: you on social just yet give us the details.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can follow me on Instagram at gov
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: ten zero seven. My nickname is the Governor And I
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: think I'm on Twitter or sorry.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: X, what do you call it?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: You're like, what are we calling it? Thread?
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: I know threads?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, Jordan Larson ten and then I do. I
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: just got TikTok kind of Jordan Larson zero one on TikTok.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I just posted my first TikTok, just trying to blend
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: in with the the youth.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: What was the TikTok?
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: It was with me and Lexi Rodriguez.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: We did the I don't remember the song, but you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to trying to blend in.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's working.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But and I still have Facebook for all those old
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: people out there, still have Facebook.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Over and see my page.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily and Vadi and at Hurdle Vodcast
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: another Hurdle Conquered.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time