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Carrie (1976 & 2026) · A Really Good Podcast with Greg & Liz

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_03: I hope you all had a good holiday season.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: Please say hello to Carrie White.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: Make her feel welcome.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a really good podcast with Greg and Liz.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_03: And after this week's episode, I need like a light topic.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: It really got off the wall.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_03: Between this and the vampires, not to like go full steam ahead, but when I turned on the Carrie movie and I watched one full minute of full bush, I was like, I gotta take it.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because hey, what we had very different reactions to that.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I'm sure we did.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now this I can give you.
• 0:43
  unknown: Yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're just jumping right in.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know, jumping right in.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's right.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're gonna have to talk more, way more about first of all.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: I read the book.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so we're doing Harry.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: Not that everyone doesn't know that, but I brought up this topic, A, because it's Halloween and you know, we love our Halloween episodes, but I wanted to watch there's a new TV show, and I wanted to watch it.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I always prefer to have Kill Two Birds here.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm really glad that we did because I don't know about you, but I thought the show was fantastic.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think the show is great, honestly.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: I have actually recommended it.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like at work, I'm like, are you guys watching Carrie?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're not.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: This is gonna be very spoiler heavy.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: So if you want to watch it, I'd say hold off on listening to this because we're not gonna, we're gonna talk about everything.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right off the look of the bat, a couple things stick out to me.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay we have to like how did Carrie's mom like go viral so quick?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty good.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you mean on the on the show?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: On the show.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: We can get some tips from her.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: And is Carrie just like fucked up Matilda?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's like fucked up Matilda.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: But I also had some other comparisons that are a little bit darker that I want to get into.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, should we do it right now?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: Or yeah, yeah, just it's not like a person, it's like a a concept.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so Carrie is, you know, she's obviously a very sympathetic character.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you see her in every iteration of this.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_03: She's a be she's not as abused at home in the TV show, but she's got a crazy mom.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she has horrible bullying, but there's nothing that happens to her that I think is that different from a lot of other people, you know, like the isolation stuff.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Watching this, I was kind of like struck at how, you know, you watch this and you're obviously cheering for her.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_03: When she takes everyone down, you're kind of like, fuck yeah, you know, because everyone's so mean to her.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think there's a lot of uh a lot of like stray people catch strays.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yes, but what is so different between Carrie and like a school shooter?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: Any school shooter that you would I didn't know that's I know that's why I was like, yeah.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I know what you like in a lot, in a lot of people.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like any school shooter is going to have trauma, abuse, probably abuse at home of some aspect or somewhere in their life, bullying, I'm sure.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, we have so much empathy for her or sympathy for her.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not really sure what the difference is.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: But where does that where does that end?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_03: And like you become the villain.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it it when you become the villain, I think is the answer to that.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: There is people who in their lives things happen to them, and then even if you think about it in like a sort of a micro level where like someone treats someone like shit in a relationship because they were treated like shit.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like I I can like sort of look back at your life and explain why you're behaving this way, but it doesn't excuse why you're behaving this way.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because at some point you have to say, like, all right, this just because these terrible things happen to me, I don't have the right to kind of like continue to do terrible things.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I I and Carrie is a you know, Carrie it's a lot of things.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the other reason why she's sympathetic too is because you remember the like she's all that, it's like there's a she's all that sort of piece to this too, where she's like, it's like if you know you took the glasses and looked the and let the hair down, and then with Carrie, you're like, that didn't work.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, I mean, both in the movie and TV show, I don't think she was uh like Sissy SpaceX guy was kind of like wow, she's actually because I'm so used to seeing her as an older person.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that I was like, Oh my god, like she is really pretty, and yeah, she's just weird, yeah.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: And she got a weird look, she's perfect for that.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she was a perfect Carrie, although you know, we'll get into the differences between the book and the movie, but I was actually Carrie once for Halloween.
• 4:34
  unknown: Really?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: Megan and I were my sophomore year, yep.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: We went to Salvation Army and we bought 80s prom dresses and then we covered ourselves in fake blood.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_03: We went so you were both Carrie.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: You were both Carrie.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we were both Carrie.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like Gary.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, we were we went full steam ahead.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so let's talk about the book a little bit first and kind of where the origin of it was, okay?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sure.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I read the book years ago, but no, I'm I mean, I've never read the book.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_03: That's not really my my jam.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: Stephen King is he needs a better editor, I'll say it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you this.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: So anytime like I'm going to read a book that's just like I'll read books for work with a lot of work like related.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: How do I how can I use this to help people?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: But then like every other book, it would be like a Stephen King book because I think he tells like a just a good story.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of weirdness in his books, and and they all you're right, they could all be shorter.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_03: I remember when we read it when we were planning on doing it last year.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: I s I read I read probably half of it, which by the way I was like, I know what you're gonna say.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: There was multiple storylines that I was like, why am I even why is there so much like kid like stuff, like weird stuff?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: Even that, like, because I uh to be honest, when they did the two movies, you know, they did the new one and they did the two movies, and the first one was the kids, and the second one.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: First one was like Stranger Things, and the second one was the adults.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: I actually liked the kids' stuff, like I thought it was interesting, but it was straight up, they're giving backstories to people who get murdered 30 seconds later.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, I meant like the kids.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: He always has like a weird like sex scene with kids.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I don't think I got to that scene.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I got to that.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's well in the book, it's like it's in there.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not great.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, the girl has sex with all the boys.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, who is it in the movie?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: Who played her?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Jessica Chastain?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but as the kid.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: The girl, the kid?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: Was it was it the girl from Stranger Things with the red hair?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Someone else.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Someone else.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, so Stephen King wrote Carrie with the intention of submitting it to be published as a short story for a men's magazine, following a suggestion by a friend that he write a story about a female character.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: So the idea came from him imagining a girl menstruating for the first time in the shower and an article from Life About Telekinesis.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's a weird combination.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think he just like read the article and then had this idea and like dreamt about it altogether and was like, huh, this seems good.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Read like once there's like more activity or potential poltergeist activity around a menstruating adolescent.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Take that for what you want.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, well, um, but first of all, let me say that I'm proud of you because I know you don't like using that word.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, it was tough.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: I remember in one of our episodes that you were like having a scene, the shower scene in this is horrifying.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yes.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: As he wrote the opening shower scene, he actually started to get really uncomfortable not being female, not uh knowing how he would react to the scene if you were female.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you how I wouldn't have reacted, like the movie Carrie, Jesus Christ, calm down.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I get you think you're dying, but like, why are you lurching around like a weirdo?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: Start screaming, you know, and being like, I think I'm dying.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: So after three pages, he decided it was trash, threw it away.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: The next day, his wife retrieved the pages from the trash and convinced him to continue writing the story with input from her, which why wouldn't you have input from her to begin with?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: You live with a woman.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_03: He based the character of Carrie on two girls he knew in high school, obviously loosened the details a little bit, but one of them was constantly abused at school due to her family's poverty, forcing her to wear only one outfit every day, and the other was a timid girl from a devoutly religious family.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Stuck them together.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he sure did.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_03: When he finished the first draft, it was a 98-page long novella that he detested.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: So he decided to rewrite Carrie and strive for it to become novel length.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: And he was finally accepted by a publisher, Doubleday, and then revised the novel with editor and friend Bill Thompson, who in the the original ending of Carrie had Carrie growing demon horns and destroying an airplane thousands of feet above her.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: And Thompson was the one who was like, maybe we take it easy, take it down a notch.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: Commons it be him to be a little bit more subtle.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was released April 5th, 1974, and it became a bestseller.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Mostly it was popular, but after the movie came out, which was only two years later.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: So it was this his first, like this is his first like success.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: This was his first novel.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Novel, period.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's not true.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't his first novel that he had written, it was his first novel that was published.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: So he had already written, I can't remember what it was, one of them.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe was it Penn Cemetery?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: No, it might have been Dark Tower or something.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: Or The Fury, maybe I'm not sure.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was one that I wasn't really that familiar with.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: So it helped launch his career, obviously, and allowed him to quit his job as a teacher and become a full-time author.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: I think he got like 200 grand, which for that time would have been bucks.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty pretty penny.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's credited as reviving the public interest in horror fiction and inspiring countless other horror writers.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think this kind of like launched the whole late 70s, 80s horror.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: Horror.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: In our world, yeah.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: For us.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: Even like I would imagine it would have been shortly after that.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: That would have been like uh Friday the 13th, right?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: Friday the 13th, yeah, and then on Elm Street, yeah, yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: All those sort of things.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then he just, I mean, Stephen King is just prolific.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like book after book after book after book.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then you also have to think about the fact that Carrie is it's a teen drama, you know, like there's so many teenagers in it that all of those movies are all teenagers.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you play to the teenagers and then you guys look at the Beatles.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's like they they sort of dictate the market in a lot of ways.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, especially teenage girls.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: So Brian Da Pama read the book and immediately was interested in directing DePama.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: He did Scarface, right?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_03: He did a bunch of stuff.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: I went read throughout, but I didn't write it down.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_03: He sold the rights for$2,500 for the movie, but he was actually happy that it just happened with his first novel because it gave him the ability to do so much else.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't think he even really cared that he didn't make that much money off of it.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of young actresses auditioned for the lead role, including Melanie Griffith.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: How about that?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um too pretty.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, yeah.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was really having a hard time like imagining her versus Goldie Hahn.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: I get those two confused quite a bit.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Goldie Hahn and Melanie Griffith.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: What in one date Antonio Banderas?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: Melanie Griffith.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's pretty good.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: And Don Johnson.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: She's Jacoba Johnson's mom.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know what they say about Don Johnson?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's trying to make a penis joke.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it's I I I I supposedly.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know how there's like the rumor that Richard Gere has a put a gerbil in his butt?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the rumor for Don Johnson, yeah, he gets a more favorable rumor that he's just got a huge, well-endowed dude.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like um David Bowie.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like when someone says, like, I'm doing okay, but I'm no Don Johnson.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think people say that anymore.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like people used to say that way back when.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking of David Bowie, I saw somebody today did a Halloween costume where they dressed up as him from Labyrinth and they had the baby in the thing, and I was like, missed opportunity, man.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Don't for me, I could have been David Bowie, and Remy could have been the baby.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: And you would have had to say that.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she did.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: The girl, it was a girl.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: It was really good.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, she did.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was great.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's like the whole point, you know?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: So determined to land the leading role, Sissy Spacek backed out of a television commercial.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_03: She was scheduled to film, rubbed Vaseline into her hair, left her face unwashed, and arrived for a stream test, clad a sailor dress that her mom had made her in seventh grade with the hem cut off, and was given the part.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: So she kind of like looked at it.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like, oh, you she did a little bit of method acting, very isolated.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: She said it though, like she wasn't being just standoff.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: She said, No, she said, I think it's better if I don't interact with you too much, so I can have that kind of isolated outsider feeling.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: The movie was actually supposed to begin and end with the White's home being pummeled by stones that hailed from the sky.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_03: The opening scene was filmed as planned, but the tiny pebbles looked like rainwater, and there was a mechanical malfunction that botched the filming the night when the model of the White's home was set to be destroyed by the stones, so they decided to burn it down instead and deleted all the scenes with the stones altogether.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Was there a scene?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: There was a minor scene in the movie with the stones, wasn't there?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Or was that just it was in the book?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: In the book, it's in the show and it's in this in the show, but I don't think that if it was, it was very brief and like brief and like minimal.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: The movie opened November 3rd, 1976, overwhelmingly a success.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: Carrie is one of the few horror films to be nominated for multiple Academy Awards.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: Both Sissy Spacek and Piper Laurie received nominations for Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress at the Academy Awards, and then they won a bunch of other stuff from like film festivals.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's great.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the kids in the show are incredible too.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: What I think is better about the show, in a way, is like every episode opens with like some sort of history lesson.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: I was actually thinking Joan of Arc would be a cool episode.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I did a Joan of Arc on the other podcast.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: Did you?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it and it's a very cool because it's like, is this person mentally ill or is this person?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Is it something that we don't understand?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: What do you what are your thoughts on like telekinesis?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um I I would never say something like that is impossible because I think that you can do a lot of things with your mind, you know.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean I haven't seen it.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: If I saw it, I would believe it.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'll say that much.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not the kind of thing where I'm like, no way.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: But I'd need a little more proof.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just like nowadays we've gotten to this place where like you can see something and then now you now you can see something and still doubt it.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because of like the way the world is now, like AI and everything else.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's kind of you can't believe anything that you can't believe anything.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: So let's compare the movie and the show.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: I thought we'd go through both of them kind of like piece by piece and kind of compare the two instead of going through one and then the other.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: So the movie you jump right in.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Carrie's an outcast, she's in gym class, everyone's been picking out.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: You can tell that she's been in this school system forever, and everyone just can't stand her, and she's weird.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: And she is weird, you know?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: She is weird.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: And did you have someone like this in school?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, kind of the person that I bullied that used to leave us bad reviews.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: Am I Chris Harginson?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: No, I was not that.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I was on me.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Kinda like I so I I did not, I dude, I still have something haunts me.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: I had one bully moment, and it's just because this dude like kind of farted and I kind of made a big deal out of it.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because it was I and I wasn't trying to be, I was like, oh my god, you know what I mean?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then everyone kind of got on board and I was like, fuck.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: That was it though?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: That I'm sure you've been well, you're you've been meaner to other people, I'm sure.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Not like a bullying.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: That was my one.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: To be fair, I was eight, I wasn't a teenager in high school.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really have a history of bullying, no history of bully.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember like being, and I could be dead wrong, somebody could come out of the woodworks.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember, like, I kind of just like hung out with my friends.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: I don't, I'm sure I talk shit about people, of course.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: I guess everybody does, yeah, but like to their face, like being straight up mean to people, like I kind of left that behind in my youth.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, at eight, at eight years old, which yeah, you know, that's fair.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: We were all going through stuff, you know.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: You had your own shit going on at eight.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: In the TV show, they open with showing Carrie's family life.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: So what happens is her father dies and they come to the house.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: So her dad was he was crushed by cinder blocks or something.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: At a at a site, but here's the thing they kind of leave that like, why did those cinder blocks fall on her?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I was just gonna ask that.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like in the book, apparently, he died in the same manner, but before she was born.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and he wasn't a an okay guy.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, in the yeah, like the show kind of suggests that he was kind of like a he was like, All right, maybe paranoid, maybe some mental illness.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's the thing.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: There is a lot of nuance with the parents in the in the show.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: So in the book, he was abusive and alcoholic, I believe.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: And he died in the same manner before she was born.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: In the movie, he apparently raped the mom, and that's how she got pregnant.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: She was super religious.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: She was like, super religious, which also led to the mom kind of looking as at Carrie as a sin from the moment she was born, which I think shaped a lot of what happened.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then he left her for another woman.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: But if he raped her, like, was he even were they even together?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: Were they married in the movie?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think they're married.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: My thing was like they were they married and then she kind of got into religion while they were married or something.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I don't it doesn't really make sense because you would think if they were married, I mean, I guess she was kind of a religious zealot, so maybe she just like went really far with it, but you would think that she would have been okay having sex because like you're you're allowed to have sex if you're married, even if you're like the most off-the-wall religious person ever.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like part of it, yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think, yeah.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the whole thing.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: But my thing in the show was like, is it are we supposed to be is it like sort of implied that like maybe the dad was kind of had like maybe had like uh restricted her for something or punished her for something, yeah, and then she was mad and accidentally killed him.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: So that's the thing.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: In the TV show, the dad was with them the whole time.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: They appear to have some kind of somewhat loving, decent.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: But in the movie, the parents are the mom is obviously like a complete religious psychosis.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, you know, she's calling boobs dirty pillows, getting your period is a sin.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like she's a lunatic.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: In the TV show, it's more conspiracy theory related.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's more it's outside of reality, but it's still like sort of grounded in reality.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it made a lot of sense that like she could post stuff online and have a lot of people be on her side.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because to be honest with you, like the mom is so paranoid about the horrible things happening at school, the like whatever.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: She wasn't entirely wrong about a lot of it.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: So when she comes up and when she's talking about things, you're kind of like, yeah, like this makes sense.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like, this is your child.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: And the mom in the TV show comes from such more of a place of love that she you can tell she actually does love Carrie.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she's there's a whole mess of other things tangled up in there, but she very much loves her daughter, and it's all out of wanting to protect her.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: And until we get to a certain point.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: So the dad dies, they come and they discover Carrie and her mom in the closet, which the closet wasn't even as scary in the TV show.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: TV show wasn't really that scary until the very end.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then they realize that they've been essentially housebound this entire time, and the mom is forced to go to work at what appears to be like a Walmart.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Walmart.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: And Carrie has to go to school.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that this was a big difference because in the movie, obviously, she'd been there the entire time.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: They'd just been bullying her.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: She's just the weird girl that they've been with the entire time.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: In the TV show, you can see from day one, like there's no real reason to bully her, besides she's kind of weird, but she's not like offensively weird.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, she's just like fish out of water.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like you know what I mean?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like she just has no clue where she's at.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's like she just walked onto the earth for the first time.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that was really interesting because I think, especially in 2026, seeing her go through the metal detectors, you mean like, what the fuck is going on?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then like they have a sh school shooting drill, and she has no idea she thinks that this is real.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: And it kind of was such a great juxtaposition of yeah, like we're all so desensitized to this, but this is crazy.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is crazy, and it's crazy that they have like use fake blood, and it's crazy that they use like police officers, and you know, like it's not just that was a bit much.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: It was a little overthought.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, what I think is also a juxtaposition is like putting 80s style bullying alongside like 2026 social media, yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because I don't think that bullying exists in schools the same way that it used to.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think it's the same as online, like, and I was thinking that it's like we live in such a crueler world than they ever did.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: And the Carrie Red stuff, like, that's not stuff that people would have come out and done, would have come out and said in person.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: So by taking away, it's the keyboard warriors, it's the same thing online.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you go through a comment section and you're like, can you imagine saying this to a Person in real life.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's the anonymity of it, you know?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: And they they make that clear, right?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like they don't know who's behind it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like they did this study, it's a psychological study about Halloween.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like upwards of like 60% of kids who have a mask on.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like the kids that steal from the bowl.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you leave your bowl outside, and the kids who would steal from that bowl, 60% of them are wearing a mask.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: And they it's it's easier for them to do it while they wear a mask because it's like that hidden.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're able to you're not as inhibited, you know?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um so you just kind of do whatever because you feel like you've got some kind of you're anonymous in a sense.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you act differently.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a kid that lives in our neighborhood, one of Crosby's friends, he went to a house and this guy posted him on Facebook and was like, This kid was trying to ding-dong ditch me.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like three in the afternoon, face completely exposed.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: I asked him later, I was like, What happened?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: And he was like, I was I thought it was my friend's like this kid's house, and I went to the wrong house, whatever.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, This is so funny because it's like you really think he was ding-dong ditching you at three in the afternoon with his face.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you can see if you have a ring camera.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, really.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was like, damn, but you can't do it.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: I tell Crasby all the time, like, you can't be ding-dong ditching, people are crazy.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: So, Carrie, the the situation is that you know, her mom is crazy in the movie, and there's no comfort to her in any aspect.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, she's going to the neighbors' houses and kind of harassing them, and she's just walking around like a lunatic.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas in the TV show, the mom is you almost reason with her at times.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like she's just a devout Christian with a side of conspiracy theorist, you know, with a side like paranoia.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's very paranoid.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: And like I said, it's not completely unfounded, you know.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: She's worried about what's gonna happen when she goes to school and what happens when she goes to school.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly what she was thinking.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: And it's interesting to see how Carrie, you know, you plop her and she's this little deer in headlights, and then as she's as she goes through the motions and she gets more comfortable and she gets more entrenched in the school, she becomes meaner and she starts taunting her mom with her telekinesis.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: She becomes she becomes a bully, yeah.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Which is interesting, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I think that it somewhat deserved.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: And that's one of the things I liked about the TV show is that you were able to really develop them so much more that I said this to somebody, I was telling Becca that she should watch it, and she's like, the movie was so traumatizing.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, the thing about the TV show though, like, there is the bullying, but she has her moments, she's not a victim the whole time.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, she's not, no, not at all.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just redemption at the end, like, she has her ups and downs, like she does have some good times.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, prom would have been good.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Prom would have been good.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the thing that you keep coming back to that, like, all you had to do was just stop, like, stop a few steps shorter.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why I think that Chris is an incredible character in the TV show because the way that they did it, I mean, she's one note in the movie.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: She's mean, she's awful.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Even her friends don't like her.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, shut the fuck up.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what are you doing?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: But in the TV show, if you see, like, she has her own bully, she has her dad who's awful.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: She has her mom who basically was like, I can't do this anymore.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta get out of here.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, her mom is like basically abandoning her.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And even when she like kind of there's all these moments.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's like brilliant, I think, about the TV show is there's all these moments where it's like, had this just gone the slightest bit differently.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like when they were doing like the mediation, when Carrie's kind of went over the top.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like one Chris was gonna apologize.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think she was.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then when Chris goes to her mother and sort of is like, Look, I'm I'm at my wits' end, like I need to like move back in with you.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: And her mom's just doesn't welcome her back with like open arms.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like, well, that was a missed opportunity too.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Heather Graham, too.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: How about Heather Graham?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: Heather Graham, man.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_03: There was a lot of great, like Matthew Lillard was on it.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: It was a lot of great, even I can't remember.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's Samantha Sloyan, I think her name is, that played the mom, Margaret.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: She was on Gray's Anatomy and she was the doctor, one of the doctors that killed Derek Shepherd accidentally.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she was Penny, and she ended up coming to like Gray Sloan.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then she was she was on a couple of other Mike Flanagan TV shows, but she was like perfect because she was just likable enough at certain points to make you enjoy her as opposed to.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she was compelling.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she could be compelling, so she could kind of get people.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: You could see how she it was believable that people would get behind her, and also she was very like unlikable too.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: She played that perfectly.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: And that's exactly how she is in a lot of the other shows, too.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things I I loved that Carrie did when, you know, so they had the shower scene where it was much less traumatizing on the TV show where she was clothed and like she wasn't like lurching around like fucking golem and grabbing people's white sweaters.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was horrifying.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: But they videotape it, they're throwing the tampons, the pads at her, yelling, plug it up, whatever.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: And then and then a few episodes later, she breaks Chris's nose in the middle of the cafeteria with her telekinesis, and then walks by her and goes, plug it up.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I loved that.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: That was so good.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: That was the thing that made it easier to watch the show.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she said, like when Chris was like two words, like when she was supposed to apologize, obviously she's supposed to say, I'm sorry.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Fuck you, freak.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And Carrie goes, That's three words, bitch.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Great line, right?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like she wasn't pathetic.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, she like had it.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: Although I will say Sissy SpaceX in the movie definitely had her moments of like with her mom, like she kind of was like, I'm going to prom, fuck you.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, whereas I didn't remember that she had that much like backbone when it came to her mom.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: But no, I think that the Chris Harginson aspect of it in the show is great.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I say this to Crosby all the time.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: Whenever he's had any issues with a kid, that's not being nice to him.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm always like, you have to understand that like nobody wakes up in the morning and decides to be awful.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: If anybody is being mean, if anybody's lashing out or doing anything, having moments, like it's always because something else is going on.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: And you saw that so much with Chris that, like, there were so many points where she wanted to just be like, okay, like when they were in the bathroom after the mediation.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: You saw a little emotion.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Carrie was like, You pretended to be my friend.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why couldn't you just be my friend?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why did you have to do that?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: And she had this moment where you were like, Oh, but knowing what happens, you knew it wasn't gonna actually happen, but she couldn't just do it.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, they're both two sides of the same coin.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Carrie and Chris, they're both victims of generational trauma, but like on opposite ends, like Carrie had these parents who were so overbearing and they wouldn't give her an inch.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: And Chris had these parents who wouldn't even come near her.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that and made her life like her father always protecting her from I thought that was an important thing.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like always protecting her from consequences.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was like huge.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, all right, that's a huge there's a lot they just did a really good job of like the messaging in the in the show.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they show exactly how you end up in that position.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny, actually, that scene when the mom and the dad come in and Matthew Lillard is listing off all the horrible things that Chris has done, including like putting fireworks in some girl's shoe and almost like taking out her toes.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: And then he looks at Heather Graham and he's like, and look, by the look on your face, I can tell that you had no idea that any of that happened.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: That was the scene that I saw on Instagram that I was like, oh my god, I really want to watch this.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Because it was like you knew there was so much more to it than the movie.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, Matthew Lillard to me is like a serious actor in this.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he did a good job.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: He did a great job.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this I think that it was really a great way of showing how like every abuser is probably a victim of some sort.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: However, going back to what I was saying originally, this is where it comes to the point of like you see these things, like Emiline, the whole Emmeline situation, who is at first.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: I still don't understand.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: So I do kind of I read a lot about it.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: So Emmeline is this character that shows up and you kind of get these little, little blurbs of like you see her talking to Carrie outside at the party, and then somebody looks down over the balcony and you see Carrie is talking to herself, like she's not talking to anybody.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: And for a large portion of the show, you think that she is she is her friend, and then you think that she's imaginary and she's just a figment of her imagination.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember the opening scene of like the sixth maybe episode where it's the mom with the daughter and the daughter keeps appearing all over the place?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so that is Emiline.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so she astral projects.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: She astral projects, yes.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, this child in one of the opening things is this mom is there and her daughter keeps like showing up and then she's moving and she's disappearing.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what Emmeline does.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because at the end, when she comes, you didn't see this.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: I know you haven't watched the last one.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: I did see the part where she like gets behind her.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: She, yeah.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: So in the prom episode, she's like, let me take over.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: So Emiline essentially, I think what they're trying to say, and I'm not positive about this, is that she's the one who did the real damage.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: She did the like the phone and everything.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: The oh wait, no, she didn't do the phones.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: She did the burning and she did the flopping everyone around and like electrocuting everyone.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know about Chris, but then at the very end, it's the same in the in the movie, the house falls down, and then Emiline comes and like helps her up, and she's like, sorry, it took me so long to get here.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: It took me forever forever to drive here.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I think what happened was Emiline was at this mysterious place, and then she was astral projecting to Carrie all those times, and then at the very end, knowing what happened, she came and was actually there.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so you'll see that, but you know, you still have 20 minutes left.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I'm wondering if they did that where they made Emiline the real person who is doing the horrible things to separate Carrie because there is going to be a season two.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: So Yeah, maybe.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think like there's always this thing where like the best of us aren't sort of products of our circumstances.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think that's like a huge message in this too that I like.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Really, no matter what happens to you, it's not like there's no real excuse to take it out of like other people, right?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: People who have nothing to do with it.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I think if they made it like the movie where Carrie just flipped the fuck out and like burned everyone down, I think that that would have made it hard to have a season two.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: Cause like, like we were talking about with the school shooting and everything, it's like when you cross that line, you're the monster hurt people, you're the monster.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: And in this instance, which I don't know, I think a lot of people weren't really a big fan of that because it kind of took Carrie's like agency away from her.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: But also like you could kind of look at the telekinesis as almost like a mental illness that you can't control.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because what's really that much of a difference if you know it's something that you kind of as when you get upset, it flares up, whatever, you know.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just like your emotions, right?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you still have to control your emotions, yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: So or not be completely driven by your emotions, I guess.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: And then you have the nice kids, you have Sue and Tommy.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: Tommy, Tommy, who looked like a 43-year-old man.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um of all people.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: I and like sh that was her too.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like that was it was an accident, yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_03: But Sue being nice saved herself, you know.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: In the movie, especially, Sue was trying to stop what happened and got her kicked out, and that's what ended up saving her life.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: But like, would you want to be like the lone survivor?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, well, I don't know.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: Think about how fucking traumatizing that would be.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like some kids just died at your school, they all did, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: They all died, and you are the lone survivor.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: I saw something where you know that Brian guy, he went into like sorority house and killed all those people at that school.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: Not that long, Colberger or something.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: I can't remember what his last name is, but there was one girl that was like the roommate that survived.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I just saw something the other day, and she has like a go fund me for her whatever to like help her.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: It was like literally all of her roommates that got killed, and people are like, Why does she still need to go fund me?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's been like years, whatever.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, do you think that the mental health of being the only survivor when everybody someone came into your house and murdered everybody else that was there would like get better?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's like the rest of your life.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's fucked up.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know it is fucked up.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: But then you have all the kids who like didn't do anything, you know?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: There was I know they're just like dancing, they're like at promoting probably don't even like follow the account of Carrie Red.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're like, Carry you.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't fucking know.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, oh my god, what about the teacher?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the one with the pedophile on?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was crazy.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Side story.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was like I was like, what the fuck does this have to do with anything?
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: But like, okay.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: After he killed himself, and then they were like, Yeah, he actually was banging a student.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because at first I was like, dude, that's excessive.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like, who cares?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: You know, whatever.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then I watched TikTok that had like all of the things, the clues, and like there was one scene where Carrie walks in the room and he's leaning against his desk, and Brooklyn is like kind of in between his legs, talking to him really close a little bit.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: Not that you would really notice unless you were looking for it, but and then all the times when he's like, Oh, I got stood up, and then it showed a scene where Brooklyn, her dad wouldn't let her go out for the night and all this stuff, and it's like, oh shit.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then apparently he did it with some other kids too.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's like another thing you have to like face is that happens, you know what I mean?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then the Carrie Red account announcing that he was a pedophile and having it be true almost gave it like leverage.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: Cause then all the kids were like, Well, she outed a pedophile, so yeah, you know, yeah, it almost made it like her hero.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was yeah, it's like it's like a it's a great show.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: It was a really great show.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: If you haven't watched it, sorry for spoiling everything.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was also a few other little things, John Travolta in the movie getting a blowy in the parking lot.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: That was that's something that was a fun little aside.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, hello.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: Amy Irving, the one who played Sue in the movie, was married to Steven Spielberg.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and she was the singing voice of Jessica Rabbit.
• 36:29
  unknown: Really?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sultry.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: She was.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: Is this a horror movie or a tragedy?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Would you say?
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think Yeah, I think maybe a tragedy.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: But there's like there's this whole I there's something like there's a a genre of books, or I guess just books, or I guess movies too, but like magical realism where there's like everything's just based in like a normal world, and then there's like one like magical element to the whole thing.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's really cool at this play that's like fits into that kind of nicely because it's like we just they just kind of accept at a certain point that like, oh yeah, Carrie can just like move shit.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like the mom.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like she just accepts that Carrie's like, oh my cat my daughter has like superpowers, like, what do I do about this?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, just go on like with your life like that forever.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then there's also I don't want to ruin it for you.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's fine.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know how they're doing the interviews?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: So the interviews are actually done by somebody who's like trying to track Carrie down.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like a documentary, it's like it's like an organization.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: An organization.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, what happens is the mom comes in to do an interview.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: You find out she survived the house crashing on her, and it's because she has a little bit of telekinesis.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_03: She was able to levitate the house above her a little bit.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: And maybe she killed the dad.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe she killed the dad.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe he was abusive towards her, is what I was thinking.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then the woman that's doing the interviews, it's actually Katie Siegel, I think her name is.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: She's the one, she's in all the Mike Flanagan shows.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: She's his wife, actually.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: She's the one who had the gloves on in The Haunting of Hill House.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: She is the interviewer, and she ends up like trying to get information out of the mom and then kills her.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, she kills the mom.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: She kills the mom.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: So the mom doesn't die from Carrie, she dies from this organization.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: Now the question is, there's an organization like hunts these people.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: The speculation that this is going to tie into maybe The Fury or The Dark Tower or one of his other books.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: I listened to an interview with Mike Flanagan that was talking about it.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: And because Carrie was his first novel, he wasn't anything that like seems to link to other novels wasn't really intentional in that book.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_03: But as he went on, you see ties from one novel back to other novels.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: So by the time he got to something like The Dark Tower or The Fury, which I don't really know anything about those aside from what I've read on this, there are things that could tie back.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like one of them, I can't remember which one, is about a bunch of kids.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's like an X-Men, like about a bunch of kids who have these special powers.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: Because where do you go in a season two for Carrie?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's already been greenlit.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: Perhaps they're gonna take it and tie it into these other things and have it be like a Marvel where you're bouncing in in between.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: They tried this with Stephen King with Castle Rock.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: I remember Castle Rock.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: Sissy SpaceX was in that, wasn't she?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because they were trying to like it was like misery and the Shawshanks in it, and maybe like there's a I I just trying to like connect a a few different actually it was just more about the setting and then like having some of the characters in that.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of really it was kind of disjointed, I think.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why it didn't really work out.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: But the cool premise was cool.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: I do like Mike Flanagan.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: I do like a lot of his shows.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: I think he does a good job.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: And what he was saying is that he was approaching this as a human story first.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you look at like Ryan Murphy, you can't sustain horror just with horror for a whole season.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's why the Haunting of Hill House was so great because it was mostly about the family, and then there were little bits and pieces that would come up with the ghosts in the background and whatever.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then it got really horrifying at the end.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: And this I thought the show, the last episode was a whole different vibe.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: There's a scene.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you got to the scene when Chris leaves and she's in the car and you just see Carrie walking down the street covered in blood, like coming towards the car.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was freaky.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then she flips the car.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then she flips the car, and like that is freaky because, like, what the fuck are you gonna do?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, this isn't just like a Michael Myers that has to get to you.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: But they tried to kill her, basically.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she was gonna come kill him anyway, I think at that point.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't know.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think, as a final kind of idea?
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Who is what is the real villain here?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I think in the end, and this isn't gonna be unpopular, I think Carrie is.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely in the movie, definitely in the movie, and definitely the even in the show, because she gives up her autonomy, and I think that there's like so there's like this great little piece.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: I one of my favorite things is like this this book, Man Search Remeeting.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then this guy, Victor Frankel, who's in a concentration camp, talks about how the best of us didn't make it.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why he says that is like, you know, if a little girl fell down at a concentration camp, you couldn't go help her up because the Nazis would shoot you.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: But that didn't mean that everyone did that, right?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Some people did go pick her up and and did get shot.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so they didn't let the horrible environment change who they were as a person.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: They like stuck to their values and they like stayed themselves, right?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Even when the environment didn't allow them to be who they wanted to be.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like Carrie could have been the heroes and villains have the same sort of origin story, and she could have had the difficult upbringing and become more of a hero instead of you know giving into her emotion becoming a villain, I think.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I wonder if maybe she will maybe she will as it progresses, but it seemed like she was kind of okay with it, even you know.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, by the time you walk into the road, you think you get a little space from it and be like, all right, shit, that shit just got crazy.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: And so she was like having a dance party.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what the hell?
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know though.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: I was thinking that the real villain could be like human nature, but sure.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because like Chris is a Chris is like an ultimate villain, obviously.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, but so was her dad.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's the thing that it comes down to is that like at the end of the day, it's not like you said before, if all of these things had to fall into place for this to happen, Chris had to make every bad choice.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: But if Chris's parents had just given her a little bit of affection and love at any point throughout this, or discipline, or discipline, or anything, she would have like she may have made different choices, but it wasn't in the in their human nature.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like at the end of the day, you can only be pushed so far.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: So there it is.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: Overall, great, great.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_03: I loved this show.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Show's great, movie's still great.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: Movie's good.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's harder to get behind Sissy SpaceX than it was.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, this this this this like this was one of those things where it was like, all right, this new iteration of it is cooler.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think it's also they didn't try to do a remake, they did like a modern take on it.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of similar to like Romeo and Juliet, you know?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: The other versions of Romeo and Juliet are fantastic, but the Leonardo DiCaprio one is like a whole different thing, you know.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that that's where this kind of comes in that like doing the modern take, doing the cell phones and the and my god, thank god, we do not have to be teenagers.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, like watching it was like, oh my god, taking videos constantly.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: I can't even, oh, what a nightmare.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, overall, really good.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: And that ends our Halloween series.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I re-relistened to the um Unintentional Horror.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good episode.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but did I do a good job picking that one?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was hard because I didn't want to do one from last year because we just did it.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good episode.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_03: It is, yeah, I thought so.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: All right, and on that note, we will see you next week with an undecided topic yet, but something that will be somewhat fallish.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Fallish.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: See you next week.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you have a taste for terror, you have a date with Carrie.