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EDP54: Irish National Indoor 3000m / Tokyo Marathon / Hobart Track Classic / USA Indoors · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another.
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  Easy double, Yeah, from the track to the rodeo we talk that
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  talk splits on the watch, but we still take the Mick.
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  Dean in Perth with the long run legs going, breaks the fire when
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  the session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from Everson to medals.
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  Yeah, we break it all down. Hard graft Monday left about a
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  Sunday. Still chasing peeves while the
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  world spins round miles in the bank.
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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast.
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  This is episode 54. I'm joined by one team member
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  rather than two for the time being, and that team member is
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  Dean Menzies. How you doing Sunday evening?
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  Good mate, is it Monday? It feels like Monday evening.
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  Right. Yeah, does feel like a Sunday
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  though. WA day today over here, isn't
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  it? So we've had the had the day
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  off. Yeah.
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  So is that just a state public holiday then at the interstates
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  when I had that? Yeah, that's right.
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  So I think that's why the share market and those sorts of things
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  were open today. So, but yeah, good to have the
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  day off work, that's for sure. Which is why we were able to get
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  out on the bike for best part of three hours or something this
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  morning. We did.
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  It was our first venture, well first venture back to the hills
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  since we got got taught a few lessons.
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  When was that? September last year when we
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  first went out there as we were pretty green to the bike back
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  then. Got humbled by the triathletes
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  when I was in the running shoes back then.
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  So yeah, so remind me we did. Were you, were you just pushing
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  that you didn't have clipping shoes at that point?
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  Were you just in a pair of 1080s or something?
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  Yeah, remember we, I think we met at the running centre with
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  some of the triathlon group from Front Runner and RAF was like
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  getting a photo of everyone outside the shop before we set
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  off. And a few of the lads were like
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  poking fun and looking and laughing and being like, you
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  haven't got a clue what you're in for, have you?
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  Even like now looking back, like I think I would poke funny.
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  Like that's how much we've changed, I think.
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  You're as unaware as I was. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah. I just think we're just out
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  there having a go, weren't we? Yeah.
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  We did spend more time at the coffee shop that day then doing
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  loops at Pickering Brook, at least that that definitely
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  changed today, happy to admit. Yeah, what was the, the plan was
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  to like commute out to the hills and then the workout was once
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  you got there, what is it like maybe like a four to six K loop
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  where you kind of do like your threshold efforts and you and I
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  just put like a couple of coffees away whilst the lads
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  done theirs, didn't we? Well, our threshold was to the
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  base of the, it's like a three kilometer climb, I think is an
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  up Welsh Pool Rd., some 3-4 hundred meters of elevation,
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  like a pretty tough climb. But I was that I just remember
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  that day being that tired just to get there, that yeah, there's
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  a bit of me probably still left out there.
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  Yeah, well, we best get cracking because if Owen joins the
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  podcast and we're talking about cycling, I think he'll just
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  leave straight away. Should we?
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  Should just mention your your work down Welshpool Rd.
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  So we didn't write up it today, but your work down Welshpool Rd.
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  Today was pretty impressive. Yeah, 8, I just looked back on
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  some of the recycling's weird on Strava, you finish a ride and
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  you've got like a million segments.
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  Not you've, you've claimed them, but you've been through so many,
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  you know, compared to when you run, it's quite overwhelming.
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  And yeah, there's some scary fast numbers from those
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  descents, like into the 80 kilometers an hour, which I
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  joke, didn't I, that my mum would be giving me a slap on the
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  wrist if she knew about this. We did.
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  We did joke about that. I was just, my mum may be
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  listening. I was a lot.
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  I was quite a way behind you all night.
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  My mum actually probably will be listening.
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  To be fair to us, we we have got a lot more sensible on the bike.
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  I think we've improved a lot. We even did some good signalling
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  today I thought. A little bit tongue in cheek at
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  times, but genuine, you know, at other times.
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  Yeah, the runners won't be aware of this.
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  All the all the hand gestures that the cyclists use to
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  communicate whilst riding. It's a home of sign language,
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  isn't it? Yeah.
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  I'm still not fully across it, but I think we're getting there.
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  We just poked furiously at things that we see on the side
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  of the road, I think. But yeah, Owen shall be joining
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  us. He'll be tuning in.
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  To recap, Yesterday he raced the Irish National 3000 meter
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  indoors. So we'll hear all about that.
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  Hopefully you'll join us in good time and behind closed doors.
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  Well, I guess in public view easy double this week.
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  It's been a massive week. We've released the first episode
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  of London Colon, which it seems like has been a big hit amongst
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  listeners. If you haven't already checked
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  that one out, it's we're building up to London Marathon
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  with Jake Smith, Jake Barclough, France of Japan and Tim Vincent.
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  So we're going to Dean Owen and I will rotate the host in and
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  we'll we'll chat maybe every other week or so, check in with
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  the lads how they're getting on in the build to London.
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  So I guess the next episode will be fun given Jake's just
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  attempted to race Tokyo Marathon this weekend.
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  So we'll, we'll unpack that a little bit and hear about think
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  Tim said he he had a half marathon.
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  I think it's next weekend. So it depends when we'll when
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  we'll schedule it in potentially we'll capture the aftermath of
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  that. So did you tune in in the week?
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  I did, I had the benefit. I'd certainly, I mean, look, I
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  really enjoy chatting to the guys, but it was nice to be on
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  the other side of just consuming the content.
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  But yeah, they're lovely, lovely, lovely guys.
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  All a little bit different in terms of, you know, some people
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  more data-driven, others more like, I feel, I feel like you
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  had all three parts of the spectrum of Jake, Jake Smith
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  being quite data focused and taking his lactates and, you
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  know, giving context for why he why he does that.
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  And then Tim that sits a little bit in the middle and then Jack
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  or ran to Japan or Jake as he's more commonly known as.
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  But given you have two Jakes on the on another end of the
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  spectrum, which is, you know, adopt the Japanese method of
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  running lots of KS and runty eyes blade.
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  So it was really good. I, yeah, really enjoyed hearing
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  the chat. And I think like with the major
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  marathons and it's a little bit like that.
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  I think with Tokyo as well, it's hard to build a narrative in
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  your mind about what you want to get excited to get behind with
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  some of those races. Like I spent that much on the
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  long run trying to find a YouTube feed that I could then
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  even just follow the race, let alone have stories that I really
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  of runners that I really want to get behind and cheer for.
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  So, yeah, it's it's so, you know, thanks so much for to you
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  really for sort of being the the brains and bringing to life
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  these really cool stories and for the guys getting on to talk
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  about it because it's yeah, it's good listening.
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  Yeah, it's a funny 1 isn't it? Because the three such big
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  personalities well known in the sport and also incredible,
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  incredibly talented athletes, I almost felt like a pressure
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  going into it to like justify like their existence.
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  Like everyone kind of loves all of them individually.
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  It's like shit, there's going to be expectation that like this
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  this series is going to be fun and a good lesson.
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  But it seems like it has landed well.
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  And I guess that's just kudos to the guys for being so open and
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  how they speak and stuff. I wonder, I was thinking if we
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  if those three were like, obviously they're not team easy
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  double. But let's just say, for example,
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  they are Team Easy double in the race against Team Kenya, Uganda,
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  the rest of Great Britain where they would stack up, you know,
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  on the first three across the line, the points total.
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  That'd do all right. They they could be up there.
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  We'll see. I'll we'll throw it to them one
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  episode towards the start of the race.
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  And we also released the Jeff Stenson interview, which Dean
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  took the lead on and done a very good job in preparing for that.
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  And we walked through Jester's entire career.
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  Did you enjoy that one? I did I mean, I was probably
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  said to you off air, but I was quite nervous.
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  I mean, and it's such AI feel like there's so many questions
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  to ask, how many more questions you could ask to unpack.
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  And yeah, it felt difficult to do justice to, you know, to it
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  all, but she's so she's such a nice person.
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  And she was so willing to share, which was really nice.
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  Like, she was so open off air as well, just talking about her
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  pregnancy experience and just very kind to us.
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  So yeah, it was really good. It's nice, isn't it?
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  Like you don't have to be such an open book as someone in the
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  public eye, like everyone can see you, your races and your
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  results. So you could just speak about
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  that if you want. You don't really need to unpack
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  it or go any deeper or speak about anything behind the
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  scenes. But it's nice that she was so
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  willing. And last couple bits of
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  housekeeping, we have collaborated with the guests,
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  the Running Centre, which is a local footwear nutrition shop in
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  the running space and by Coach Raff in Perth here.
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  And they have started doing these activations where the
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  brand's rolling through Perth, whether it be Puma, Brooks on,
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  ASICS, whoever it is, they bring down their latest range of
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  footwear. Everyone who does the shop run
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  tries them on, goes for a run and then just has a chat
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  afterwards. So we've teamed up with the run
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  centre for one or a week on Wednesday, which will be the
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  11th of March, and I believe it's Puma in collaboration with
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  that one and they will have the Deviate Nitro Four and the
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  Deviate Nitro Elite 3 for try ONS there.
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  So if you're in around the area, get down to the shop run.
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  I think it's 530 start, 5:30 meet for a 545 start.
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  So hopefully see you there. We'll have a couple of entries
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  to the HBF run for a reason to give away and I'm sure a couple
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  of easy double caps as well. So because anyone?
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  We've done that before and hopefully I'm not talking out of
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  turn here, but like in terms of like the ASICS mum where we got
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  to do a bit of a wear test and get a feel for some of the shoes
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  and feel like refs doing a good job and Sam at the running
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  center of like getting access to the, you know, product guys
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  literally rock out with bags of shoes that we can try on.
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  And I think for a lot of people, like people often ask me for a
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  recommendation, it's quite difficult because each foot is
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  different and each stride and everyone's stride mechanics are
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  different. So like even for me I got to try
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  on a few different shoes with that one on and something
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  similar for on and you so you get a bit more insight into what
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  shoe might feel good for you before you have to shell out 300
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  odd bucks. That's good.
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  Yeah, it's it's good that the brands are like so willing to
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  come into the community because I mean, they sell issues
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  regardless. So it's kind of it's just like
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  an extra service. And then, yeah, RAF and Sam for
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  kind of like pulling it all together, right.
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  This episode. Then we've got plenty of results
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  to whiz through and then Owens race recap.
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  So Tokyo Marathon, Glasgow Indoors, Hobart Track Classic,
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  USA Indoors and the controversial USA Half Marathon
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  Championships, which you may have seen, got some news in the
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  form of a big ban from a former global medalist.
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  I guess she's former now because she's been stripped of them.
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  She's probably got some others there, to be fair.
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  YouTube Diaries, Double trouble. So let's get into it.
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  I should just say before I do, if you haven't already, I have a
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  quick ask for you. Could you please follow the show
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  on whatever platform that you're listening to us on now, whether
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  that be Spotify or Apple. This is so you don't miss any
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  interviews and also it's just your way of showing us some
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  support because Spotify constantly tells us that it will
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  benefit us massively. So I'm just passing that the
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  cheeky actually the other week they were like shows with
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  listeners similar to yours, have X percent more followers.
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  And I was like, oh, do they cheers.
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  The Irish man has actually joined us just in time when we
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  were slightly behind schedule. We're only just going into the
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  running results. But whenever you're ready, we
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  can we can flick to your race recap.
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  Shall I do the first set of results first?
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  Are you ready to go? No, I don't mind.
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  It wouldn't be like used to behind schedule anyway.
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  We've we've spent 10 minutes talking about cycling, mate.
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  Wow, thank God I missed that. Painful.
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  Yeah, we thought it was much, I said to Dean.
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  We best wrapped this up now because if Owen joins, they'll
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  be leaving straight away. I can't hang around because I
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  have a flight to catch in an hour and a half and that's good.
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  Well, fortunately for me. Where are you?
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  I'm going to Rome until Friday. Nice.
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  This is a holiday. Like a holiday the runners I
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  might I bring them because they're comfy, but I doubt much
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  running, if any, will be will be done on my job one day.
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  But nothing I'm getting the detox.
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  I'm due a break. Have you been?
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  To. I've never been thrown before
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  now. So we've booked a Colosseum.
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  I've got a fucking shopping list for the Vatican, my granny and
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  mother and father. Yeah.
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  So no. Sure, there's lots to see and do
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  in room. I'm just gonna.
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  My plan is breakfast, pasta, lunch, pizza and then dinner
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  Gelato. So I'll be I'll be rolling back
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  home. Have you been to Ramdin?
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  Yeah, 2015, I think maybe. Oh, and were you?
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  You're out of nappies by then, right?
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  To what age? What year?
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  15 out of that I. Was fucking 17.
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  There you go. Oh, yeah.
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  No, I was a belated honeymoon house and I got married in 2015.
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  And then, yeah, July. So our winter, European summer.
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  I remember, yeah, doing like going through parts of like
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  doing a lot of the tours around Rome.
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  It was stinking hot. I just remember being quite warm
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  when we were there, but good, very similar.
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  I had lots of pizza ice cream usual, so that's good.
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  Unbelievable city it's. Not meant to be that warm when
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  I'm there, but just be. It should be just nice.
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  I'll have to dig it out. There's like a little St. horse
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  almost that does like pasta in a box near the Spanish step,
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  somewhere in that square is like €5 or something take away, but
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  like proper authentic. Because then on the other side
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  of that, if you book somewhere near the Coliseum, like with a
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  view of that, you'll get absolutely shafted.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I think we might have done like a walking food tour through
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  there. You know how you can do the
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  like, the way to like taste different parts of the town?
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  Any wine? Would have been a bit, yeah.
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  Would have been, no drunk. I'm a winemaker these days
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  though, so just drink my own produce.
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  Used to have changed. Years have changed so.
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  Much I don't want to go back there, but yeah, we we have we
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  were talking about just how much we've changed based on we we
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  we're in the hills today on we did a hills ride.
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  But yeah. Yeah, I'm just reminiscing on
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  with Ryan when he rocked up in a pair of sneakers with no clip in
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  shoes to he was he was like a gazelle up the hills today,
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  dropping all the all the cyclists riding off into the
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  distance. So.
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  What'd you do with you at Along right?
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  I don't think so. Maybe like in like 10 years or
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  something you. Could be a young RAF.
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  Yeah, that's the problem. He's certainly heading that way.
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  But anyway, we can go on. Let's.
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  Get some running. Yeah, yeah.
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  All right, so let's just go through my week and then the
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  race. Yeah, however you want.
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  Yeah, so Monday was the bird attack day.
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  We went through that was just 10K at four 30s.
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  And then Tuesday, it was sort of the week sort of took a turn.
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  So my granny was, she was old and sort of getting sick.
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  And she actually, she passed away early Tuesday morning.
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  So that sort of derailed the whole week a bit.
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  Like she would have all grown up.
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  She would have like looked after us.
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  She was Yeah, yeah, really, really close to the family.
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  So that was super sad. But I still kept trying to get
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  there on. And then like Tuesday evening, I
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  don't 8 by 300 off 90 seconds and like getting these done, but
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  just like your head's not really in it.
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  And so and like the effort levels just way higher.
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  And so that was the last sort of big session Wednesday morning
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  and Wednesday morning and I just got out for a little jog
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  Thursday morning. I just don't like few 4
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  hundreds. And that was the day at the
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  funeral. And then Friday, it was probably
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  like the first, like decent night's sleep I got of the week.
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  I just got out for like 30 minutes in the evening.
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  Saturday morning was just 45 minutes in a few strides.
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  And like, I got another good sleep Saturday, so I felt like I
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  was coming around. And then Sunday, yeah, I got out
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  for a little shakeout and it was race day.
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  So on bleeding up they released the start lists and I was
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  chucked in the B race with because my 3 KPV was from last
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  June. It was 827 so it wasn't really
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  good enough to get in the A race.
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  But my coach, I don't know why, but Saturday evening I just
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  checked the start list again and I was bumped up to the A race.
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  So like I always said, I'd rather come last in the A race
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  than then win the B race just to be on the starting line with
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  them boys. I'm sort of where you want to
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  be. So warm up done.
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  My usual warm up felt like a tiny bit flat, but like on the
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  day of a race, like you never really know.
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  And then yeah, it probably went out like it actually went out on
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  a walk like the first. I think we'd done an 82nd 400.
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  Wow, So the first, the first K was three O 3 and I just sat at
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  the back for like the likes. There was Andrew Koskren in this
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  race, Olympian Ron, he's a three thirty 1500 guy.
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  Nick Greg's he ran 732 and Puma Lee like unbelievable runner as
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  well. And and I Mcelhenny, he'd the B
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  standard. So he ran 736 in a race in
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  America there previously. So he had to win that race to
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  qualify. And yeah, no one wanted to take
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  it out basically. So yeah.
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  Did you, did you have a thought? Because I mean, I know you just
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  want to be in the race, but then at the same time you're like
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  hoping it'd be a bit more honest to drag you through to a PB,
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  right? Did you ever thought, oh, do I,
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  you know, do I go around and have a go here?
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  Like it would have been better if it was more even for me.
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  I don't know what it is like if you're looking on the outside,
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  you're like, oh, it'd be easier to do like a really slow and
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  then pick it up. But no, it just spikes and.
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  Like these guys are 815, but these guys got serious wheels.
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  Where's you like been training up to 10K sort of fitness, you
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  know? Yeah.
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  And but no, I asked my coach at the start, I was like, OK, if it
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  is slow, do I take it out? And he's like, no, do not take
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  it out. It would just be for disaster.
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  Don't and they'll use you and abuse you and so from the start
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  I just sat at the back like there's a video.
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  It was all like videoed and so I'm just sitting at the back for
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  the first like I'd say 65 laps and then I pick it up and I sort
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  of split into two groups and I hang on to the back of the first
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  group. So went through three O 3 to 2nd
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  K was a 242 So and that's what I like ideally that's what you
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  want to do any second swing yeah and.
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  Like. I must have overtaken like 8
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  people and on the indoor outdoor you probably get away with it
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  indoor on the bank it's just you use so much energy overtaking.
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  So do you think maybe it might have been closer to 240 even
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  like the effort? Probably.
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  Yeah. Well, clearly it was.
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  And then like it started her well, I could start to feel the
• 21:43
  squeeze from like 5 laps out and I was like, it's going to be a
• 21:46
  painful one. And then six laps, sort of, I
• 21:49
  sort of like popped and I had still, I think the last K was a
• 21:52
  248, but that's really slow. And the other guys are running
• 21:57
  like 240. Yeah. 2:30 Yeah.
• 22:00
  But was it coming around the last band with like 100 go,
• 22:05
  there was a collision between Michael Haney and and Koskren
• 22:10
  and Koskren hit the deck and Michael Haney stumbled and then
• 22:14
  Nick Greggs just flew around them and Nick Greens ended up
• 22:18
  when in like a 214 or something. Get out to Philip Marin.
• 22:24
  Oh, sorry, sorry. A 14 Philip Marin.
• 22:26
  He came for it. I'd do better run away him and
• 22:30
  every now and again. Yeah, he don't really.
• 22:32
  Well, he was for it, but like such.
• 22:35
  So when it's seen cost green like quite far down the results.
• 22:40
  So I was like, what's going on there?
• 22:41
  So he literally fell, took a tumble twice, was able to get up
• 22:45
  and still be me. So did that collision cost
• 22:50
  Michael Haney his space and the world indoors?
• 22:53
  Like again, you never know, but Michael Haney was moving and it
• 22:57
  is very hard. Like that home straight is super
• 22:59
  short and so I'd like to think Michael Haney would have held on
• 23:05
  and but you never know. Like when you collide, like you
• 23:09
  totally lose all momentum. Like it is so hard to get back
• 23:12
  up and running again. So probably but yeah, but looks
• 23:17
  to think it's going to be Greg's and Kosgren who go to worlds.
• 23:23
  I was, I was disappointed when I just just the last 600, I just
• 23:27
  felt so dead. And like at the end of the day,
• 23:30
  like thinking about it today, like like an 833 being a bad
• 23:34
  race and the way it was run, like, like I have come a bit of
• 23:38
  a way in the last sort of like four months.
• 23:40
  So like I'm not injured, I'm not sick.
• 23:46
  Like to be on the start line with them boys.
• 23:48
  Like it's, I think it's where you want to be.
• 23:50
  Obviously I'd like to finish higher up, but like look at the
• 23:54
  bigger picture. I'm in a good place coming into
• 23:58
  into track season. We'll just take a little break
• 24:00
  now and then. Yeah, hit track season pretty
• 24:03
  hard. I won't race now to like May or
• 24:05
  something like that. So I have a big build out of me.
• 24:08
  Yeah, I feel like in terms of from a time perspective, like
• 24:12
  what if you're running 30 like a 30, whatever first K, like
• 24:17
  you've run 245 per K, like 815 pays for your next two KS, but
• 24:23
  you never, unfortunately you're never going to be able to make
• 24:25
  it up, right. So like you said, probably the
• 24:27
  only thing you can hope for is to be as competitive as you can
• 24:31
  for as long as you can. So and you put yourself in the
• 24:34
  race like not, you know, a lot of good things to come from come
• 24:39
  from that. Yeah, it's just like you beat
• 24:41
  yourself up thinking about like, like, like at the end I was like
• 24:45
  13 to 14 and like, I think there was like fucking 18 in the race.
• 24:48
  So like you're like, Oh yeah, I was fourth last, but like the
• 24:51
  standard. Pay from last year didn't even
• 24:53
  qualify you for the for the race.
• 24:54
  So that was your payday. So like you, you know, I know
• 24:59
  your fitness has picked up so much, but it's like, take that
• 25:02
  and then next year, you know, this time next year, hopefully
• 25:07
  in the mix. Unlike it was my first indoor,
• 25:10
  it was my first ever indoor 3K. Like my second ever 3K so.
• 25:14
  Like you have to ask what's it like because to the laps just
• 25:18
  apart from maybe they didn't towards the end, but do they
• 25:20
  take off so fast being? So fast.
• 25:23
  It's so fast. And yeah, you're just flying
• 25:26
  around those. So there was so many people
• 25:28
  there as well. Like it was stacked of so many
• 25:31
  cameras everywhere. And it was, it was pretty
• 25:33
  surreal. Like it's such a cool event to
• 25:34
  be part of. And it's just hopefully next
• 25:37
  year I'll be. A little higher up, does it make
• 25:40
  you want to do a bit more track stuff next year, this time next
• 25:44
  year, like you want to make it a focus?
• 25:47
  I like that more of that race stuff.
• 25:49
  Like I feel like anyone can time trial, but that race stuff is
• 25:51
  where it actually hurts and where it's really hard and
• 25:54
  tactical and that's like, it's fun if you get me.
• 26:00
  So that's where I really want to improve.
• 26:02
  But like, they really had to come like literally the only
• 26:05
  like racing, like every race now is nearly paced.
• 26:09
  And so, yeah, like national 5K at the end of July, that's like
• 26:14
  the next like a race, put it that way.
• 26:17
  I mean, don't underestimate all of the the mental struggles from
• 26:20
  the weeks it was as well. Like you've obviously carry that
• 26:23
  with you and you talked about your sleep just because it's a
• 26:26
  mental load and you can't like physically quantify it.
• 26:29
  You kind of like brush it off like, Oh well, whatever, I'm in
• 26:33
  good shape. But like when it's someone else
• 26:36
  looking at it, it's easier to see and you're like, yeah, you,
• 26:40
  you obviously had a lot of stuff going on going into it.
• 26:43
  So I mean, fair play for even coming on here in the 1st place,
• 26:46
  let alone speaking about it. So I think you've you've done
• 26:50
  had the great result. Yeah, no, like I hate using that
• 26:53
  as an excuse, but like it like it just wasn't my ideal build
• 26:58
  up. Like I'd normally be rolling out
• 27:00
  in the evenings and like going to bed early and that was just
• 27:03
  like sucked out like it was I wasn't doing it.
• 27:07
  So yeah, I didn't have the ideal lead up, but yeah, just happy to
• 27:12
  be there. Ideally I would have finished
• 27:14
  higher, but that's life, isn't it?
• 27:17
  Never. Things don't go straightforward
• 27:19
  and you just have to roll with the punches.
• 27:21
  Holiday mode now. Yeah, I'm.
• 27:24
  Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting away, even though it's
• 27:27
  only till Friday, but just totally like detox from running
• 27:30
  and like it does take up so much of your life.
• 27:34
  And even like like I can't imagine like poor dad, Michael
• 27:37
  Haney, Darren Michael Haney, like this is his job and for
• 27:40
  something like sort of out of his power to like then like mean
• 27:45
  he's not going to a world champs.
• 27:47
  Like I can't imagine like the pressure or like, like I'm, I'm
• 27:51
  thinking about my race here now. But like there is, is on like a
• 27:55
  much like deeper level if you get me at like higher, more
• 27:59
  things at stake, put it that way.
• 28:02
  But like, that's where I aim to be or where I'd like to be.
• 28:05
  So yeah, keep on dreaming, huh? Was he like angry at the end of
• 28:10
  the race or was he like, that is what it is?
• 28:13
  I I was sort of angry at my own race, so I literally just left.
• 28:18
  I didn't. I didn't wait around for the
• 28:20
  boys. Yeah.
• 28:21
  Any cooldown, No post race workout this week.
• 28:25
  Oh no, I didn't even like I won't be.
• 28:27
  I'll might run on Wednesday. I'll see.
• 28:29
  I think we're going to the Vatican on Wednesday or
• 28:31
  something like that. So I'll see you Wednesday
• 28:33
  evening or something. But like, I'm not under any
• 28:36
  pressure to do any running. I don't know, cool down with
• 28:38
  Philip Marin and we just don't like 3 K, 3 1/2 K.
• 28:42
  And but yeah, the running shoes are get an arrest for now.
• 28:47
  I'll actually might have to buy a new few pairs for the next
• 28:50
  build up. Go and do a loop of the Pope's
• 28:54
  gaff. There's a keyhole, I think you
• 28:57
  can look through that like you see like 3 different countries
• 29:00
  or something like that. Yeah, because if I can say is
• 29:03
  technically a country in itself, isn't.
• 29:07
  It but I was going trying to see a Roma game but they're playing
• 29:10
  on the Sunday are they? No, Aiden didn't want that
• 29:14
  either. So I don't think I was going to
• 29:16
  get to see, but might get wrong with Jersey with Evan Ferguson
• 29:19
  on the back. Shit Z play for them, does he?
• 29:23
  Yeah. He's on loan there, yeah.
• 29:24
  That's close. And Lazio don't play either.
• 29:28
  No, no. It's all like their lower
• 29:30
  leagues play midweek and then the big boys.
• 29:35
  You said there you might have to get a few new pairs of shoes.
• 29:38
  I was going to ask you actually. So this is a good time.
• 29:40
  And those on ones you used to wear, what were they?
• 29:44
  Cloud Monster Hyper. But they're good.
• 29:48
  I I sort of a love hate relationship with them, but I
• 29:53
  think it was just in my head, like I think they are a good
• 29:55
  shoe and it's sort of like a long run shoe again.
• 29:59
  So or you could pick up the pace in it because it's got like
• 30:02
  Peeba foam in the front of it. So it's nice and springy.
• 30:06
  It's just sometimes like stones got like stuck in the holes and
• 30:10
  that was the only like downside to them for they're the only on
• 30:15
  shoes I've actually ever had. I was trying to get the the like
• 30:18
  the speed ones, I think they're like green and orange.
• 30:21
  There's green and orange through them.
• 30:22
  They're predominantly white, but I could never get my hands on
• 30:26
  them Ones. I think they're called like on
• 30:29
  cloud Boom or something or on Cloud Zone, one of them things.
• 30:33
  But are you thinking? Yeah, I don't think they've
• 30:35
  released the second version of them yet, Yeah.
• 30:37
  Because there's a there's a run club with on and the run center
• 30:42
  this week come in and I think they're bringing the new Cloud
• 30:46
  Monster Hyper 3 and just the Clay Monster 3.
• 30:49
  It'd be the clay. Monster three, Yeah.
• 30:51
  Yeah. The clay monster I heard the
• 30:54
  clay monster just original was very good.
• 30:57
  Clay monster 2 wasn't as good so it'll be interesting to see if
• 31:00
  the clay monster 3 is is better. The new Super Blast was released
• 31:04
  today in Ireland. Would you be interested in them?
• 31:08
  Yeah, but I'm not interested in paying the money for them.
• 31:12
  The the colorway is nice so I reckon.
• 31:14
  Yeah, like I love that and like Romero plus I probably just use
• 31:19
  that for my my long runs. And like I've got them IDs Evo
• 31:24
  SLS for pickups. I've got Puma velocity, I think
• 31:30
  they're velocity ones, just a normal daily trainer for
• 31:33
  pickups. Like I've got like a few pairs
• 31:35
  of shoes for pickups. I don't really need the the a
• 31:39
  super blast, but even to see Tim Vincent talking about them like
• 31:41
  they're nearly too good, you nearly want your legs to be
• 31:44
  banged up a little. That was a pretty glowing
• 31:47
  recommendation for a shoe, wasn't that?
• 31:49
  Yeah, Yeah. Well, imagine having the choice
• 31:51
  of like super vast or like the Mega Blast or like all of them.
• 31:57
  Like it's the choice of being an athlete.
• 32:00
  Yeah, it's a. Pretty good range of shoes,
• 32:02
  right? If you could, yeah.
• 32:04
  I don't know who I'd pick if I had to pick a brand to get
• 32:06
  sponsored by. So if he's so hard at the
• 32:08
  moment, because everyone is such good shoes.
• 32:11
  Few good ranges, yeah. Right, then we'll get cracking
• 32:15
  with the results. So Hobart Track Classic was the
• 32:19
  closest to me geographically. So this happened in the state of
• 32:25
  Tasmania for those who are not familiar with Hobart or
• 32:28
  Australia, and it was the 3000 meter national championships
• 32:33
  took place. But firstly there was a men's
• 32:35
  1500 meters which is won by Peyton Craig in a modest time of
• 32:40
  35457 from Luke Shaw 355 and from running athlete Tom
• 32:46
  Moorcroft in 353-4538. He was third.
• 32:51
  I don't know if you caught any of this race.
• 32:54
  I did, yeah. Yeah, It was really good.
• 32:58
  Like so Luke and Tom are both products of WA.
• 33:06
  Luke's recently moved over to the East Coast and so has Tom
• 33:11
  very recently. And so yeah, Tom was a as a
• 33:15
  training partner of ours for a long time.
• 33:17
  So it was really I've seen him put himself in the position in
• 33:23
  these sorts of races before and not have the the legs still
• 33:27
  under him with like 200 meters to go.
• 33:28
  And you could see him a little bit unsure.
• 33:32
  It felt like at least watching it as to whether or not he
• 33:35
  should make a move. He was probably 5th or 6th at
• 33:38
  the bell. And Peyton Craig was was the
• 33:42
  main athlete. So he's like an on Oceania
• 33:46
  athlete and what an 800 meter guy ordinarily.
• 33:52
  But yeah, I thought Tom Renner, a really sensible race, moved up
• 33:57
  alongside and was the only one really matching Peyton in the
• 34:02
  last 150 meters, tied up maybe only slightly or Luke closed
• 34:07
  quite well. Peyton didn't look like he was
• 34:10
  too troubled. But for Tom to be like one of
• 34:13
  our training partners, to be on a podium in one of those races
• 34:15
  was was pretty cool to watch, I thought.
• 34:19
  Yeah, he seems to be progressing nicely, doesn't he?
• 34:21
  Past year or so, 18 months, yeah.
• 34:24
  It's such a shame for that last, like 20 meters or something.
• 34:29
  I was going like, God, Tom go, he's coming.
• 34:31
  And he just didn't know he was there, did he?
• 34:33
  And then by the time he didn't know he was there, like he was
• 34:36
  just fully lactic, too late to do anything about it.
• 34:39
  Yeah, and I think, like, I think it's just, it's good.
• 34:43
  I like it. So he went to Europe last year
• 34:47
  over the European summer and just made these really small but
• 34:54
  incremental improvements throughout that time.
• 34:58
  And he's sort of been building, he's never made over the past
• 35:02
  few years, wholesale improvements, but he's just
• 35:04
  adding all these things like adding in some good aerobic bass
• 35:08
  to couple with his 800 meter speed.
• 35:11
  And it's just nice to see it translate.
• 35:15
  So yeah, now he's running, running well.
• 35:18
  And I think, yeah, it's made a bit of a leap to go over to
• 35:21
  Melbourne as well, over to be closer to Greeny.
• 35:24
  And yeah, hopefully we keep seeing more of him in these
• 35:28
  sorts of races. And just quick shout out to the
• 35:31
  guy in 5th as well, Riley Bryce. He was a former training partner
• 35:34
  of mine when I lived in Melbourne.
• 35:37
  Ends with the Hippo Athletic Club over there which Liam
• 35:43
  Stocky avid listeners also a part of.
• 35:46
  Good performance from Riley to 346 women's 800 meters.
• 35:51
  This one was won very impressively by Jayla Hancock.
• 35:54
  Cameron in two O 2.22 from Ivy Boothroyd 2O3 and Tess Kersop
• 35:59
  Cole also 2O3. This one was interesting because
• 36:05
  I noticed the pacemaker step off at like, I think it was around
• 36:08
  300 meters because given the race is only 800 meters, I mean,
• 36:13
  kind of what's the point in having a pacemaker for 300
• 36:16
  meters? You at least want the first lap,
• 36:18
  don't you? But then Jayla, to be fair to
• 36:22
  her, like she was so strong, she was on the front as soon as the
• 36:24
  pacemaker went and she just pumped her arms for the
• 36:28
  remaining 500 meters. And she comes more so from more
• 36:32
  of that aerobic background like 1500 meters traditionally.
• 36:35
  So this would have been a bit of a change in stimulus and to come
• 36:39
  away with the win and get close to two minutes I think is a
• 36:44
  great run there from the front. The house Nazomi Tanaka, she
• 36:50
  finished fifth, but you see she also featured in the 3K later
• 36:55
  on. Very impressive.
• 36:58
  I thought it was funny enough seeing her in this 800 meters,
• 37:02
  let alone the fact that she then went and runs another race later
• 37:05
  on when I was looking at her. She's the 3K and the 5K national
• 37:10
  record holder in Japan as well. So I mean, she's, no, she's not
• 37:14
  messing around, but 800 meters is a bit of a different ball
• 37:17
  game, isn't it? Yeah, it would have felt very
• 37:20
  fast. She must be on the tour of
• 37:23
  Australia for the summer given she was in.
• 37:26
  She was at the Perth Track Classic as well.
• 37:28
  Getting to all the regional states, it's good.
• 37:32
  Bit of travelling, not bad. The athlete lifestyle sometimes
• 37:36
  if you've got the right agent. Then was the 3000 meters, the
• 37:40
  national championships, the men's race, Geez, when I was
• 37:45
  looking at the start line, I've never seen a track so busy.
• 37:48
  I don't think there was a counted on the results of 28
• 37:52
  people on the start line. And that was, you know, the way
• 37:55
  they start the race off like with the inner group and outer
• 37:59
  group. And they were just like jam
• 38:01
  packed, took up the whole track and you're thinking this is this
• 38:05
  could be messy like elbows clippings and stuff.
• 38:09
  But thankfully it went out at a pretty honest pace, which meant
• 38:13
  that like kind of they strung out, didn't they?
• 38:17
  Anyway, I'll do the results. You can talk about what you saw.
• 38:19
  Carl Davis won in 748.21. Brett Robinson was second 749 O
• 38:24
  9 and Adam Goddard 3rd 74968. Yeah, and in terms of
• 38:30
  observations than the race, I mean, I don't know about you,
• 38:32
  but who were you? I was cheering for Brett.
• 38:35
  So I was, I was sort of rooting for him, particularly after he
• 38:39
  ran, well, 5K recently. And it's just cool to see a guy
• 38:42
  who's, you know, turned to the roads and the marathons cut
• 38:47
  cutting down to these shorter track races.
• 38:49
  And yeah, I mean, it was a it was an interesting race.
• 38:53
  Like you said, the pace was pretty honest.
• 38:55
  And the the top three what cleared away late.
• 39:01
  I think Callum Davies has has won this race before.
• 39:04
  I think Oh no, sorry, he's got two other the commentators are
• 39:08
  doing a good job of covering it. I thought so it was all streamed
• 39:12
  on on 7 Channel 7. Wasn't one of our like free to
• 39:16
  air network and they were doing and is that Bruce Mccavaney?
• 39:20
  And was was part of the commentary team.
• 39:25
  And I thought they I thought they covered the race well, gave
• 39:28
  good insights. But they're talking about that.
• 39:29
  He's won a couple of national titles.
• 39:32
  And yeah, he just had, he's weird.
• 39:34
  He just had too much in terms of his change of pace in the
• 39:37
  wheels, which you probably expect, expect of him.
• 39:39
  Like he does have a good turn of turn of speed, albeit that he
• 39:43
  still had the legs when they get off a fairly solid pace.
• 39:48
  So yeah, he was just too good. Brett, Brett second, which was
• 39:51
  good. And yeah, managed to hold off
• 39:52
  Adam Goddard, who was finishing, finishing fast, but they sort of
• 39:56
  made a bit of a break on him down the back straight.
• 39:59
  Yeah, it's no surprise really with the Carl Davis once, if you
• 40:03
  think back to that 5K which Brett Run won the week prior,
• 40:08
  Carl Davis was the one in 3rd trying to like close the gap,
• 40:11
  but the 5K distance just being like a little bit too dragged
• 40:15
  out for him. He couldn't quite use his.
• 40:17
  Is speed whereas this is probably just perfect, isn't it
• 40:20
  it's I thought about Brett as well when I was watching it
• 40:24
  because the the field was so dense like 28 of them but it
• 40:29
  wasn't just 28 random people if you actually look at the results
• 40:32
  in the start list they're all like right up there towards like
• 40:36
  the top of national level for Australia.
• 40:39
  So as good as it is to see Brett doing this, it actually comes
• 40:44
  with a shit load of risk as well.
• 40:46
  Because yes, the obvious upside is OK, go down the distances and
• 40:50
  like forget about running marathons and half marathons and
• 40:54
  go and have some fun on the track and get your confidence
• 40:57
  back. But then what happens if you
• 40:58
  start getting beat by like a load of 18/19/20 year olds?
• 41:02
  That'll completely go the other way.
• 41:04
  So the fact that he's putting it on the line and then the fact
• 41:08
  that's paying off for him is is very.
• 41:10
  Good. Yeah, I can only assume he's
• 41:13
  obviously training well and then backing, backing that training
• 41:16
  in right. And you, you you would expect
• 41:21
  like is he, I remember he was like in a national in the world,
• 41:26
  you know, 3000 media, you know, the world indoor 3K.
• 41:28
  I'm pretty sure he's represented Australia in that in the past.
• 41:31
  So his background is in a lot of these shorter races.
• 41:36
  And then as he would have stepped up in distances, he
• 41:38
  would have had that ceiling to complement his, the aerobic base
• 41:42
  tears developing. So yeah, I think as as hard as
• 41:47
  it might be for the ego, it's probably good for him from a
• 41:49
  Physiology perspective if his body can handle it, to do some
• 41:52
  quicker stuff and set him up hopefully.
• 41:58
  The other thing I was thinking is Carl Davis winning this
• 42:01
  national title, what does that do for him in terms of a
• 42:04
  potential qualifier for the world indoors coming up?
• 42:08
  So there's like a, a road to the place where it's called is like
• 42:12
  random like Pole wish or some it's in Poland anyway.
• 42:16
  And they've published a road to, you know, the way on World
• 42:19
  Athletics. They produce the list.
• 42:21
  So you can kind of see how everyone's tracking.
• 42:24
  So he's Carl Davis is actually listed as the 4th Australian
• 42:28
  representative over there on there and he hasn't run the auto
• 42:33
  standard. I think that was 733.
• 42:36
  So maybe if he'd have ran the auto standard and then had the
• 42:39
  national title, that would have got him in there.
• 42:42
  But he sits forth behind Cam Myers, who it depends whether
• 42:48
  he'll double because there's 1500 as well.
• 42:52
  Kye Robinson, he's definitely going to be doing the 3K.
• 42:55
  And then a guy called Thomas Palfrey.
• 42:58
  He much must be one of these collegiate kids over in the US.
• 43:02
  So I guess just watch this space potentially not because Kai's
• 43:08
  there's only two spaces, Kai's definitely going to take one,
• 43:11
  and then I don't know why Thomas Palfrey wouldn't take the other,
• 43:15
  but Carl Davis is next in line I guess.
• 43:18
  Also worth mentioning, Max Shervington from WA was in this
• 43:21
  race finished in eight minutes dead which was a PB but so close
• 43:25
  to breaking the infamous barrier.
• 43:28
  Women's version of this race was won emphatically by Claudia
• 43:31
  Hollingsworth 83742 from Abby Caldwell in 2nd 83906 and
• 43:38
  Georgia Griffith in 3rd 840.71. What are your thoughts on that?
• 43:44
  Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was like race of
• 43:46
  the night in terms of who it attracted and the head to head
• 43:49
  to head to head like yeah, I feel like you could mount a case
• 43:56
  for any of the top four to win like so Rose Davies is she won
• 44:04
  Zeta Peck multiple times. Like is she the Australian
• 44:07
  record holder for the 5K? Georgia Griffith is the just got
• 44:12
  I think promoted, which we'll touch on with doping news to a
• 44:15
  World championship 3000 meter bronze I think, and is the
• 44:21
  Australian record holder over the three KS run by 824 I think.
• 44:25
  And then Abby Caldwell's like what like one of the best 800
• 44:30
  meter runners currently and so is cloudier.
• 44:35
  So like all four of them, you can argue a case for why you
• 44:42
  think they might win. And it's always tricky because
• 44:44
  they often are coming off like a Falls Creek type stint and
• 44:47
  you're wondering who's been who's got really fit over
• 44:49
  summer. We're doing sessions side by
• 44:52
  side. Yeah, so, so they might have a
• 44:55
  bit of a better idea than than us.
• 44:58
  But yeah, I just thought it was an exciting race and I guess
• 45:02
  played out as you might expect it because you sort of almost
• 45:05
  mentioning about these paced races, like it's harder, like
• 45:09
  Rose is probably wants it to be strung out and on on their rivet
• 45:13
  the whole time because she doesn't have the closing speed
• 45:16
  of Claudia and Abby. But she did that.
• 45:20
  So she went to the front with two laps to go and did a heap of
• 45:23
  work, but it just wasn't enough to gap them.
• 45:28
  And then, I don't know, did you hear Claudia talking post race
• 45:31
  about part of what she was hoping to do was sort of take
• 45:36
  some more initiative, be a bit more assertive?
• 45:39
  So often you just see her explode in that last 100 meters
• 45:42
  where she took the lead on the back straight, made a move then
• 45:46
  and sort of caught Abby by a little, it seems maybe a little
• 45:51
  bit by surprise or at least stole a gap and then managed to
• 45:55
  to hold her out. So the race was one a little bit
• 45:59
  different to as it sometimes is, but it was still very exciting.
• 46:03
  I still really enjoyed the race I thought was really good.
• 46:05
  No, maybe it's because she typically races 800 meters as
• 46:09
  well, but shades of Keely when she's running down the home
• 46:13
  straight there with a comfortable gap to the second
• 46:16
  person. She looks, she doesn't have this
• 46:19
  huge light. She doesn't explode off the
• 46:21
  ground. Like she stays pretty close to
• 46:23
  the ground, right? It's a bit of a different
• 46:24
  running action, but I mean, so she doesn't look like she's
• 46:28
  flying, but I mean, in comparison, she obviously is.
• 46:31
  It looks, yeah. She looks very smooth and
• 46:35
  effortless, doesn't she? Yeah, because even the
• 46:38
  commentators, I can't, I don't know if you noticed when she was
• 46:42
  making that move, like around that being stuff, they didn't
• 46:45
  pick up on it until there was a gap, but you you could see that
• 46:50
  she was making the move. So like her form isn't so
• 46:52
  obvious that she's really changed a bit like Camp Myers,
• 46:55
  the way they just wind it all and then all of a sudden there
• 46:58
  was 5 meters there and you're like, oh shit, she's gone.
• 47:01
  But yeah. Granny must be happy, which is
• 47:03
  pretty cool. May all those athletes are
• 47:06
  flying, aren't they? Yeah.
• 47:08
  He said as one of the side chats with him that she's very
• 47:12
  studious. I just take takes everything in
• 47:15
  and very professional so very cool.
• 47:20
  Yeah, leading up to a big year, hopefully big things to come.
• 47:23
  Tokyo Marathon, first major of the year.
• 47:28
  Think the weather was pretty good in comparison to last year.
• 47:31
  Last year, potentially it was a bit warm, around 20° or
• 47:34
  something. We went through the field last
• 47:37
  week and realized it was given. Boston and London are not in the
• 47:44
  too distant future. Therefore anyone in the Tokyo
• 47:47
  field or in the London and Boston field would wouldn't have
• 47:51
  been in Tokyo field. You look at the start list and
• 47:53
  you're like, where are all these people coming from?
• 47:55
  Like every start list is just like rammed on the results. 30
• 48:02
  men broke to two. I was 10, which is crazy depth.
• 48:08
  The guy who won it was Tedessei Tekili from Ethiopia in two O
• 48:12
  3.37 and it was actually a very blanket finish between three of
• 48:17
  them. Jeffrey tore Rich from Kenya two
• 48:21
  O 337, he got given also and Alexander Mutisao or Munyao from
• 48:26
  Kenya also two O 338. So one second separate in the
• 48:31
  top three. We'll go to the women's in a
• 48:34
  SEC, but we'll unpack the men's race first.
• 48:38
  So there's the the podium getters.
• 48:40
  Anything else you wanted to touch on from the race?
• 48:42
  I I mean, like, yeah, that fields the people that we're not
• 48:48
  mentioning like that Daniel Mateco, Mukta address who's been
• 48:52
  around the track for a long time.
• 48:54
  Same with Solomon Borrega, what's the Olympic champion runs
• 48:58
  for leaning bit of leaning coverage because leaning is also
• 49:03
  who it looks like Suguru Osaka is now sponsored by.
• 49:08
  I saw them cover that say he was the first Japanese runner in
• 49:10
  205. And then yeah, Cam Levens, our
• 49:14
  man in in 14th in two 0649. I didn't hear him after the race
• 49:21
  say he was relatively pleased with that.
• 49:23
  He said his training had been a bit so so so he wasn't expecting
• 49:29
  to shoot the lights out. So to to walk away with the 206
• 49:32
  he was relatively happy with. I mean, he's he's pretty cool.
• 49:36
  He's a bit like fine wine, isn't he?
• 49:37
  Like he's sort of had a you know, he's been able to to what
• 49:42
  to have a second crack at it. He at that time in the early
• 49:46
  twenty 10s where he was on top of the world or close to.
• 49:49
  And then he's yeah, he's, you know, running these great times
• 49:52
  again, which was cool. I don't know.
• 49:55
  Did you tune into Jake or rented Japan's pre race YouTube vid?
• 50:04
  But he between that and the conversation you had with him
• 50:09
  Ryan, he gave some cool insights into the pace groups.
• 50:13
  Just talking about how crazy it is with some of these Japanese
• 50:16
  races like the pace groups of between 2O something like
• 50:21
  between 2O2 or two O 3 and two O 6.
• 50:23
  Essentially the men's pace groups and then the women's pace
• 50:27
  group, who will, yeah, talk to shortly, was I think maybe pace
• 50:30
  216. And so his comment just about
• 50:34
  what he wanted to do with his race was he's like, oh, either
• 50:38
  wanna run a PB or I, I wanna wanna walk off the track and
• 50:42
  just get a card hit out and build for, for London, because
• 50:46
  he said he wanted the easy double podcast to be London
• 50:50
  calling podcast to be front and centre.
• 50:52
  But no, he did say like it. It's quite it's interesting you
• 50:55
  see all these times. And I do remember looking at the
• 50:58
  Asaka marathon in the past, which I've done a couple of
• 51:00
  times. If you look at just the Finnish
• 51:04
  times, you think, oh, that's got a nice smattering of people at
• 51:08
  different at different times. But then when you look, when you
• 51:12
  look at when you can click through into their 5K splits,
• 51:14
  you realize they all just went out at 2 or 6 pace and faded.
• 51:18
  And it's a bit like this race as well.
• 51:20
  So yeah, incredible depth in these in these races, but
• 51:25
  they're actually just there's so many Japanese blokes just
• 51:28
  swinging for the fences. Like the fellow who did, I can't
• 51:33
  ratio someone he end up running to 11, but through he got
• 51:39
  through halfway he was on 203 pace.
• 51:41
  Through halfway, he was 50 meters, 100 meters off the front
• 51:44
  of the canyons. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:47
  Tin tin dime. Wild animals, aren't they?
• 51:50
  Yeah, it's pretty cool and even like, and I think I heard Jake
• 51:54
  talking about this as well. Was like that, surely.
• 51:58
  Let's see, I've forgotten his first name.
• 52:00
  I should. Ethan.
• 52:01
  Ethan, like you know, had a 2/22/18 PV next to his name and
• 52:07
  in his last two races he's literally just in the lead pack
• 52:11
  just throwing down just like any of the others.
• 52:13
  It's so good to watch. I think like the mentality is
• 52:18
  like if you try it that many times on one day, you'll pull it
• 52:21
  off. But what The thing is, what
• 52:23
  happens if you don't? And then you've you've trained
• 52:26
  for a lifetime and you have nothing to show for it, and
• 52:29
  probably nothing even close to what you're capable of if you
• 52:32
  went measured. It's a bit like punting on a
• 52:35
  specky stock. You just have to keep reloading
• 52:37
  the barrel until you find your retirement fund.
• 52:40
  But yeah, a lot of people don't have the courage.
• 52:43
  But power to him. A couple more thing points on
• 52:47
  this men's field to the guy who won.
• 52:49
  That was back-to-back Champions championships for him.
• 52:52
  He won last year in a slightly quicker time. 203 again, then he
• 52:58
  DNF the World Championships in Tokyo, so his last three
• 53:01
  marathons have all been in Tokyo, which is quite bizarre.
• 53:05
  The Italian bloke, Ilias Iwani, I recognised him from Tokyo.
• 53:11
  I think if you think back to the way it was like building up and
• 53:14
  there was 678 of them and then they were dropping, dropping,
• 53:16
  dropping. Him and the Israeli athletes
• 53:19
  like they were all the guys that just they were the last to fall
• 53:22
  away before the final Sprint between is it symbol and the
• 53:26
  German German dude. Yeah, so his when I seen his
• 53:31
  photo during the rounds, because he broke his own Italian record
• 53:37
  for 2/04/26, he was familiar and I realised it was because of
• 53:41
  that, putting seventh fastest European ever.
• 53:45
  And then, yeah, acknowledging there's a couple of DNFS in
• 53:48
  there, including our mate Jake. He went through halfway in 6518
• 53:55
  and I think he stepped off around 30 K.
• 53:59
  We'll we'll get into him about that on the next recording of
• 54:02
  London calling. Don't want to be too harsh, but
• 54:07
  I don't know. I'm not sure like what what he
• 54:10
  gains from it. I know he's now he's got a lot
• 54:14
  more confidence because this two weeks of like minimal volume,
• 54:20
  his like mentality was in the dumps because he's thinking like
• 54:25
  my body's broken down. I don't know what I can do.
• 54:28
  Like all this training has gone to waste type thing.
• 54:31
  But that's kind of like the what's the word I'm looking for
• 54:37
  when you make something seem worse than what it is.
• 54:41
  Is that you're right or amplify? Yeah, but it's like, just
• 54:44
  because you're in the moment, everything feels so bad.
• 54:47
  But I mean, I guess he had the entry, So what was he?
• 54:50
  Gonna do I sort of I can understand it like so he he runs
• 54:56
  and and again, it's a sort of. Catastrophizing.
• 54:59
  Sorry. Catastrophize yeah, that's it.
• 55:01
  No, like, and I think you've covered it pretty well in his
• 55:04
  pre race stream was that like he doesn't think that a lot a heavy
• 55:13
  a big taker into a race is the best thing for him.
• 55:16
  And he's also shooting for something that's maybe a bit of
• 55:19
  a stretch target anyway. But there is a real chance when
• 55:23
  you run that exceptionally high mileage and you have this very
• 55:26
  large taper, there is a chance that maybe it all comes comes
• 55:30
  together for him and it and it happened to be the completely
• 55:33
  right mix of ingredients. And so, and it's a bit like
• 55:37
  we're talking about before with some of these guys trying to,
• 55:40
  you know, this is the same with Ethan turning 218 into 210.
• 55:46
  Like you're not going to know unless you put it on the line.
• 55:50
  And he is pretty exceptionally resilient to a high training
• 55:53
  load. Like if that was me, I'd be too
• 55:57
  much stress on my body and I wouldn't be able to recover and
• 56:00
  rah, rah, rah. So I'd probably juice, probably
• 56:03
  wouldn't be worth the squeeze. Whereas he can back it up like a
• 56:05
  few people can and thought he was a chance.
• 56:08
  So I don't know, it made enough sense in my mind anyway.
• 56:12
  I can sympathize like from my own point of view that the when
• 56:16
  you are racing, it's like PB or nothing and maybe someone will
• 56:19
  try and tell you like, hey, maybe why don't you try this
• 56:22
  today And you're like, no, well, why would they try and run
• 56:24
  something that's slower than what I've run before?
• 56:28
  And also he's got like like he mentions like his races every
• 56:32
  other week in Japan where he can do it as a workout.
• 56:34
  This one's this one's the big one.
• 56:37
  You want to swing for the try and land on the moon.
• 56:40
  Why not? So the London Marathon, the PB
• 56:44
  is loading pressure's on now. No, but he did the Valencia
• 56:54
  didn't didn't go to plant. I'm building I'm.
• 57:00
  I'm cheering for him. I'm cheering for him as well.
• 57:04
  Just letting him know that it it's funny because in I don't
• 57:08
  know if you've seen his post race live stream, the army are
• 57:13
  in there like just firing them up like telling them.
• 57:16
  They're the best. There's no better support base
• 57:19
  going around. Loyal, loyal supporters, to be
• 57:23
  fair. Good on them.
• 57:24
  They'll be after you after they hear some of these times, that's
• 57:27
  for sure. You know, it's better
• 57:30
  constructive criticism often, you know, can can help pressure
• 57:35
  when it's mainly me. Yeah.
• 57:38
  Yeah. So Jake, let me know what you
• 57:39
  think about my cycling. Also Alex Harvey, Australian
• 57:45
  representative, went over there, I think hoping for well, looking
• 57:49
  at splits, in fact, hoping for something big.
• 57:51
  He went through 10K on pace for two O 9 and also stepped off
• 57:57
  around the similar mark to Jake, I think maybe 28 K Actually his
• 58:01
  his Strava caption makes for interest in reading.
• 58:04
  And then if you've seen it, I'm going to quickly pull it up now.
• 58:08
  It sounds like there was a bit of chaos going on off the course
• 58:13
  or with the runners who were stepping off.
• 58:17
  So he's written so I think as he ran 215 before or something
• 58:23
  Alex, and maybe he was certainly trying to get closer to 210.
• 58:27
  Anyway, was moving well, really well.
• 58:29
  Went out probably too hard, but my legs felt heavy really early.
• 58:32
  Ended up with some gnarly foot pain.
• 58:34
  Then the chaos began. Me, Sarah Hall and three African
• 58:38
  runners, presumably Sarah Hall and these Africans DNF D as
• 58:41
  well. Spent the next four to five
• 58:43
  hours trying to get to the finish line, getting dropped at
• 58:46
  the wrong spot, walking around for hours whilst no one could
• 58:49
  help us with no access to a phone.
• 58:52
  In hindsight I would have been better off walking to the
• 58:55
  finish. Probably will never DNF for a
• 58:57
  race again after that. It's part that you don't,
• 59:01
  probably. I can't say I've ever
• 59:04
  contemplated stepping off for one, but then also never really
• 59:07
  thought through the consequence. When you do what?
• 59:10
  What's next? It's funny.
• 59:12
  Only this morning. What?
• 59:14
  What were you calling it? The sad bus.
• 59:16
  Yeah, the sad wagon with the like BY Marathon there savage
• 59:23
  that race. Yeah.
• 59:25
  So that was a men's only Invitational race and you had to
• 59:29
  run a 2 1/2 hour qualifying, maybe 2 and 2 1/2 hour
• 59:33
  qualifying standard to enter. And at 70 at which at halfway if
• 59:37
  you didn't meet the cut off which was 75 minutes, which is
• 59:40
  exactly half of two hours 30, they would pull you off course
• 59:44
  and put you on the bus. And we saw that happen during
• 59:48
  the race and it was quite the quite the sights like a virtual
• 59:52
  pace light just coming to RIP you off if you weren't on pace
• 59:55
  so. Sweeper.
• 59:56
  Yeah, Sweeper, I'd love to say races like that.
• 1:00:00
  I like the idea. I'd like, I'd love to say
• 1:00:05
  something which ramped up a little bit like the remember
• 1:00:08
  Jake did that the Wings for Life challenge, which progressively
• 1:00:12
  gets quicker. So some sort of race that ended
• 1:00:14
  maybe sooner than that or I don't know, some sort of race
• 1:00:17
  with that sort of concept I'd tune into.
• 1:00:21
  Bit of a different initiative than like I was saying than just
• 1:00:23
  running fast. It's fun to race from when
• 1:00:27
  there's other pressures on the line.
• 1:00:29
  The women's race was won by Bridget Cosguy 21429 who can
• 1:00:36
  Weld a second 21636 and how we face a third in two 1739 So that
• 1:00:42
  was Kenya, Ethiopia, Ethiopia and then the the rest of the
• 1:00:46
  results actually read Ethiopia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Ethiopia,
• 1:00:50
  Ethiopia, Kenya. So complete dominance there.
• 1:00:54
  Cosguy CV Well now she's added that win to it reads 2 Chicago
• 1:01:00
  titles, 2 London titles and two Tokyo titles and she was second
• 1:01:06
  in Sydney and Hamburg last year. So that makes it her first win
• 1:01:11
  of a major since this race in 2022 and she tried four times in
• 1:01:16
  between. So bit of AI, don't know if you
• 1:01:20
  can say comeback story, but certainly rising to the top
• 1:01:24
  again. Yeah, I think that was my pick.
• 1:01:27
  Yeah, it was, to be fair. Off the back of winning in Was
• 1:01:31
  it Beijing, the Beijing Marathon and two.
• 1:01:33
  Shanghai. Shanghai.
• 1:01:34
  That's it. Yeah, good show.
• 1:01:39
  And look, she's won by a comfy margin over 2 minutes.
• 1:01:43
  Yeah. Shinned in.
• 1:01:46
  Aid diver, former Australian record holder before Jess
• 1:01:50
  Stenson went one better in Valencia last year.
• 1:01:53
  She was also in the field Ting in 19th just breaking two hours
• 1:01:58
  322957. I think I've seen the caption on
• 1:02:02
  one of her socials is like kind of a bit disappointed in and
• 1:02:07
  suggested there was more there than that, but it wasn't to be
• 1:02:10
  on the day. So I mean, she sounds hopeful
• 1:02:14
  that like she's willing to go again and stuff and that that
• 1:02:18
  isn't a true reflection of her shape.
• 1:02:19
  So hopefully that's the start of a big comeback potentially.
• 1:02:25
  Have you raced against Sinead before?
• 1:02:27
  When I did the Sydney Marathon in 2023, she was first Aussie
• 1:02:34
  over the line. Yeah, stinking hot that day.
• 1:02:39
  Is this her first marathon in like this?
• 1:02:42
  Bit of a comeback. She raced a hot.
• 1:02:44
  What was the half she'd done? She's done 1/2 a couple of weeks
• 1:02:47
  ago, didn't she? Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  But yeah, good to see she's still got the motivation to get
• 1:02:52
  in in the mix with marathons. Yeah, and I know she doesn't
• 1:02:56
  like anyone to mention her age, but I think it was the fastest
• 1:02:59
  ever by a woman her age. Fair play.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah. So, you know, even even if it's
• 1:03:06
  not the day one, it's a day. No lady, as if it's done.
• 1:03:11
  Pretty cool. Now we've got some controversy
• 1:03:14
  over in the USA, people may presumably have seen on social
• 1:03:17
  media this doing the rounds so that they had their half
• 1:03:21
  marathon championships, which was acting as a qualifier for
• 1:03:25
  the road running championships later in the year.
• 1:03:28
  So as we know with the US, they're quite brutal and it's
• 1:03:31
  first across the line. So that would have been
• 1:03:35
  fantastic for Jess McLean, Emma Hurley and Edna Kergath had they
• 1:03:39
  have gone the right way and finished in the order that they
• 1:03:42
  were with about 1 to 2 miles of the race left.
• 1:03:46
  However, the first three women across the line, as it were, was
• 1:03:51
  Molly Born, Carrie Elwood and Annie Rodenfell's.
• 1:03:57
  So I don't know if you have much thought to offer on this.
• 1:03:59
  Have you seen it? Have you read about it?
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, his name escapes me. Is it David Roche?
• 1:04:08
  What's the who's the Have I got that right?
• 1:04:12
  That name, right? I mean, it rings a bell.
• 1:04:16
  He's a like he's done some good things on the trails and I think
• 1:04:21
  he broke like an American market course record that was client is
• 1:04:29
  thought to be untouchable for some 100 mile race and thinking
• 1:04:32
  him and his wife hosted podcast seemed very upbeat sort of a
• 1:04:35
  fella. But he he I've seen a few posts
• 1:04:40
  from him on it and I and hopefully there's more posts
• 1:04:43
  like which effectively is saying like, let's hope USA track and
• 1:04:48
  field come to their senses. Like these athletes through no
• 1:04:51
  fault of their own, were run of course and were in line to win
• 1:04:55
  the race and win. So I think we'll see like
• 1:04:58
  $20,000 of prize money at stake as well.
• 1:05:02
  Credit to US track and field in terms of they always stump up
• 1:05:05
  decent amounts of cash for all their national races and they
• 1:05:08
  make them these qualifying races for these road running champs or
• 1:05:13
  whatever it is world champs. Like I think their methods are
• 1:05:15
  great. And I just think unfortunately,
• 1:05:18
  their initial reaction, which is just to apply the rules lacks
• 1:05:23
  broader sense. Like rule, rules are rules.
• 1:05:28
  And like my jobs in tax. And it's all about reading rules
• 1:05:32
  and, you know, applying them, staying within them, but staying
• 1:05:38
  within them. But they but you would hope that
• 1:05:42
  common sense would prevail, which is.
• 1:05:45
  But this is a very unique circumstance.
• 1:05:47
  And it reminded me, reminded me of a race back in 2018.
• 1:05:52
  I did the Sunshine Coast half and Jack Rayner was winning it
• 1:05:57
  and the course went, and I'm only going to be able to explain
• 1:06:01
  it to you, right, but imagine there's like a rectangle and he
• 1:06:04
  went early on the rectangle directly.
• 1:06:07
  He followed the pace car and they went that way along the
• 1:06:10
  rectangle, whereas the course was to go the other two sides of
• 1:06:14
  the rectangle. So they've basically he's run
• 1:06:16
  the exact same distance, but he's been directed down a
• 1:06:19
  street, down a different 2 roads.
• 1:06:22
  And he went on to win that race by over a minute, absolutely
• 1:06:25
  shit in and was denied the Australian championship.
• 1:06:29
  And there's quite a bit of money.
• 1:06:31
  They they're, they're very good this event in putting on a
• 1:06:33
  decent amount of prize money. And I actually bumped into his
• 1:06:37
  mum. I think I was getting a coffee.
• 1:06:38
  And she was a bit gutted because she's like, this is his source
• 1:06:41
  of employment. Like this is before he'd sort of
• 1:06:46
  gone on to do a lot of things as well.
• 1:06:49
  And she's like, yeah, she you know, she was a bit upset now.
• 1:06:52
  And then credit to the race. I ended up honouring the they're
• 1:06:56
  they're like, we will award the prize money to both of you.
• 1:07:00
  And so as they found a practical solution, they were still
• 1:07:03
  hamstrung and I think Athletics Australia was still had their
• 1:07:06
  knickers in a twister about, you know, what they could do in
• 1:07:09
  terms of, you know, there's officials and awarding people
• 1:07:11
  like they didn't they couldn't find a way around it.
• 1:07:13
  And I get that to a degree, like you've got these these rules,
• 1:07:17
  but you would hope in exceptional circumstances that
• 1:07:21
  one, they could find some extra prize money at a minimum, so you
• 1:07:24
  can reward both athletes from a financial perspective.
• 1:07:27
  And then common sense would prevail around selection that
• 1:07:30
  you would allow for some form of exceptional discretion and, and
• 1:07:36
  give the people that should have like, I don't think it was
• 1:07:38
  close, right? It wasn't like there was a whole
• 1:07:40
  bunch and these were the ones that went off like these.
• 1:07:43
  These ladies would have otherwise shooted in nothing.
• 1:07:46
  Yeah, they, I think they had like a minute gap or something
• 1:07:49
  at the time and how it actually happened.
• 1:07:52
  It was like the, I think it might have been like a moped or
• 1:07:54
  something. You know, they have the camera,
• 1:07:56
  they have the guy facing backwards on the back of it.
• 1:07:58
  They're filming like the the front of the race and they're
• 1:08:02
  meant to just stay straight down this road and this motorbike or
• 1:08:06
  car has just turned off the road left.
• 1:08:09
  And then you see the women follow as you would like
• 1:08:13
  12/11/12 miles into a half, my opinion anyway, into a half
• 1:08:16
  marathon. Yes, there is the consensus that
• 1:08:19
  like you should know the course and stuff.
• 1:08:21
  However, at that point when there's a lead vehicle directing
• 1:08:26
  you, it's kind of like I'm thinking it's out of my hands,
• 1:08:29
  it's not my responsibility. I'm just following this.
• 1:08:32
  At that point in the race, you're absolutely in the hair
• 1:08:34
  locker. You haven't got much capacity
• 1:08:36
  for thought other than how much longer can I last?
• 1:08:41
  So you're just following wherever this lead vehicle goes
• 1:08:45
  and then they run down this road for you can see on this Strava
• 1:08:48
  map, it's a considerable way. And then because the camera
• 1:08:52
  vehicle is down there too, there's actually footage of the
• 1:08:55
  point where they all kind of like throw their arms up in the
• 1:08:58
  end. They're like, what the hell are
• 1:09:00
  we doing? And like slowly turn round and
• 1:09:03
  then imagine what that does to your heart rate.
• 1:09:05
  Like probably just froze it way or and then you probably search
• 1:09:09
  for like 100 metres and then you realise oh fuck this, I've got
• 1:09:12
  no chance anyway would have been torture.
• 1:09:16
  And they have released a statement the Atlanta Track Club
• 1:09:19
  CEO who Atlanta Track Club must put this race on on behalf of
• 1:09:24
  USA Track and Field. So initially the response from
• 1:09:27
  USATF was, as Dean said, to stick by the results of first
• 1:09:32
  across the line and kind of like be a bit stubborn and this guy
• 1:09:37
  has said they're honoured to host it.
• 1:09:40
  In the women's race, a pace vehicle left the original course
• 1:09:43
  during mile 11. As race director, I take full
• 1:09:46
  responsibility for what occurred.
• 1:09:48
  The athletes should never have to make split decision, split
• 1:09:51
  second decision making between following a pace vehicle or
• 1:09:54
  trust in the official course. We're conducting a full review
• 1:09:57
  to determine exactly how and why, and Atlanta Track Club will
• 1:10:02
  make best efforts to ensure the affected athletes are made
• 1:10:07
  whole. Presumably referring to the
• 1:10:09
  prize money. And I guess maybe what he's
• 1:10:13
  inferring is that the selection stuff is kind of like out of
• 1:10:16
  their hands. We regret the confusion to the
• 1:10:19
  athletes affected on what was otherwise a good day.
• 1:10:22
  So. Yeah, getting more of that lack
• 1:10:25
  of the race organization, right. The guy puts his hand up, even
• 1:10:31
  goes beyond what he probably needs to do in terms of, you
• 1:10:34
  know, a lot of people might be defensive and say ultimately
• 1:10:37
  it's on the athletes, whereas he's gone beyond that to say
• 1:10:40
  it's not like we're putting on the race for you and we made it
• 1:10:45
  an error. And then he's going to look to
• 1:10:49
  remediate what he can in terms of financial assistance.
• 1:10:51
  I don't know. I just think that's the best
• 1:10:53
  response a race can give. So yeah, you just hope USA track
• 1:10:58
  and field give a similar one. You wouldn't like to be the
• 1:11:01
  driver of that car. No, you'd be mortified, but they
• 1:11:06
  like these things do happen and that's where people hopefully
• 1:11:09
  react like this. Like occasionally you're gonna
• 1:11:12
  I've bet. Have you ever gone the wrong way
• 1:11:15
  and sorry fault though the five orders?
• 1:11:22
  Probably, yeah. But like I've had a few
• 1:11:27
  instances where, yeah, I've either one been asked to
• 1:11:31
  Marshall and been redirected the wrong way or another time again,
• 1:11:35
  not done any real homework around what the course looks
• 1:11:38
  like and going the wrong way. And so I am more, I do pay more
• 1:11:43
  attention nowadays for that reason.
• 1:11:46
  But as they've, as these guys have said, like human error
• 1:11:49
  sometimes happens. So it's nice when people just do
• 1:11:53
  the right thing. Because we shared this, shared
• 1:11:56
  this to our story and someone challenged it and said, well,
• 1:12:01
  they said the torn, it sucks, but also you should know the
• 1:12:06
  course running one O 1. And I was like, yeah, perhaps
• 1:12:12
  this is my lack of planning, but I reckon maybe 80 percent, 90%
• 1:12:16
  the races I've done, I wouldn't have known the course if every
• 1:12:20
  single other runner was taken off it and I had to guide myself
• 1:12:23
  through each and every turn. Yeah, I think it's one thing to
• 1:12:27
  know the course, but it's another thing when you're
• 1:12:30
  following a lead vehicle that's there to direct you like a race
• 1:12:36
  it to a race at that level. Like I get it say it's a lead
• 1:12:40
  pace bike in there and it's a volunteer organization and
• 1:12:44
  they're doing their bit. Like then I think it's like,
• 1:12:48
  say, for example, the Ultra Perth 50K, like they do a great
• 1:12:51
  job and the lead, there's a lead bike put on.
• 1:12:54
  But at the same time that's a volunteer that if I, if I go off
• 1:12:59
  course there, it's I think the responsibility sits with me to
• 1:13:01
  make sure I know. And so I download the GPX file.
• 1:13:05
  I checked, I reviewed the map and you know, it's, it's a bit
• 1:13:10
  of a shared or more my responsibility in that sense for
• 1:13:13
  sure. But when it's like when all the
• 1:13:16
  roads are blocked off and it's a national championship and you're
• 1:13:19
  sitting behind the leg car, I think it's a bit exceptional.
• 1:13:23
  Yeah, fair, fair balance getting towards the end of the result
• 1:13:28
  Scottish Athletics Indoor Invitational quickly here.
• 1:13:31
  Sorry, did we mention the men's results?
• 1:13:34
  Yeah, go on. So the winner was Wesley Kip, 2,
• 1:13:39
  who featured in the US men's US men's cross country teamed in
• 1:13:45
  the at the world recent world champs.
• 1:13:47
  He was the athlete that went only knows one way, which is go
• 1:13:50
  out pretty hard. Hilary Ball was second.
• 1:13:53
  I think Hilary Balls made the see world and Olympic team he
• 1:13:57
  runs for like he might have been run for that U.S.
• 1:14:00
  Army team at some point. Mohammed.
• 1:14:02
  Mohammed I. Was going to say his age there
• 1:14:05
  36 suggests he may have made the fair few teams in his time.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah, he's he's been around when Mohammed was third, so sorry,
• 1:14:14
  611561306121 And then yeah, Charles Hicks is the defector.
• 1:14:20
  He was formally ran for the UK, didn't he?
• 1:14:23
  And now runs for the USA. Sold his song.
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, he has in 6210. So yeah, good runs by those
• 1:14:32
  guys. Didn't golf course as far as I'm
• 1:14:34
  aware. No dramas there.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah, Scottish athletics held an indoor Invitational.
• 1:14:41
  Where M11 were present. So Keely Hodgkinson stepped down
• 1:14:45
  to the 400 meters on the back of her world record the week prior.
• 1:14:49
  She managed to win this race in 5149, which I was, I don't
• 1:14:56
  really know too much about 400 times or how they ran, trying to
• 1:15:00
  contextualise it. So I looked at the World Indoor
• 1:15:03
  standards and yes, she's won the race, but she's also ran the
• 1:15:08
  auto queue for World Indoors as well, so it's a bit mad that
• 1:15:14
  she's able to do that. She looked good too.
• 1:15:17
  Didn't she look fast? She looked rapid, Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  Yeah, but I didn't look awful, didn't look completely like she
• 1:15:25
  was overreaching. It was very cool.
• 1:15:29
  But then I guess to contextualize it still, I looked
• 1:15:32
  at the the world record all time for Fem Cabal.
• 1:15:36
  Obviously 400 being a distance. She's ran 2 seconds faster than
• 1:15:40
  that still. Indoor.
• 1:15:42
  Yes. That would make sense because
• 1:15:45
  who is it? Who's the 400 meter hurdler that
• 1:15:48
  won gold in the fewer in the open 400?
• 1:15:52
  The other hurdler? Laroni.
• 1:15:54
  Sydney McLaughlin. Sydney McLaughlin, she might
• 1:15:56
  have run quicker again, right? And a flat 448 high on there.
• 1:16:02
  Yeah, looking at this list now, Femka bowls ran sub 50 seconds
• 1:16:08
  seven times. Indoors.
• 1:16:12
  Indoors, But I mean, still, that's like Keely's first shot
• 1:16:17
  at it and a non event. So yeah, it's still mighty
• 1:16:20
  impressive. Is that more impressive than
• 1:16:24
  what Femke did running sub two minutes?
• 1:16:26
  Good question. They're both standards, right?
• 1:16:30
  Hit the the standards. I think it's 2 flat .9 or
• 1:16:35
  something for the yeah it is 800.
• 1:16:38
  So they're probably both up there, right?
• 1:16:40
  Yeah, comparable. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:16:44
  Georgia Hunter Bell also changed distance well ran a slightly
• 1:16:48
  different distance. She ran at 800 meters in winning
• 1:16:51
  from the front in 157.8. Second in that race was CAP
• 1:16:55
  visit of Australia in two 2.4. So healthy margin for Georgia
• 1:17:00
  Hunter Bell there. That's pretty rapid indoors.
• 1:17:04
  I mean it only doesn't look that rapid because you have Keely
• 1:17:07
  running 154. But yeah, if you take away the
• 1:17:13
  outlier, it's like handicap Batten, like Batten without the
• 1:17:18
  odds on favourites. That's a it's a very good run,
• 1:17:23
  yeah. There's also 1500s Reve Walcott
• 1:17:26
  Nolan 19401.5, which is pretty fast in itself.
• 1:17:30
  She's another British girl. Lastly to the USA Indoors
• 1:17:33
  championships. Do you want to walk us through
• 1:17:35
  these ones? You're usually quite across the
• 1:17:38
  USA stuff. Yeah, I haven't been this
• 1:17:41
  weekend. I haven't caught much of it
• 1:17:42
  other than through Instagram. So too.
• 1:17:45
  Much time in the saddle this weekend.
• 1:17:47
  We were trying our training else, I mean, we haven't even
• 1:17:49
  got to that, but it's just been just training too hard.
• 1:17:52
  But I'll whip through, I'll whip through the results.
• 1:17:57
  How about I just race through them and then we can pass
• 1:17:59
  comments of what has popped up on our feeds.
• 1:18:03
  But these are all for context. These are all to standards for
• 1:18:09
  the world champs that are coming up in Poland, right?
• 1:18:13
  And is it top 2 indoors? Often it's top three for
• 1:18:16
  outdoors, but top 2 indoors. So I'll stick to the top 2 in
• 1:18:19
  these. So in the women's 800, it was
• 1:18:22
  Addison Wiley in 159.4, beating home Valerie Tobias in 159.7,
• 1:18:30
  The women's 1500, Nikki Hiltz in 411, just ahead of Gracie Morris
• 1:18:36
  in 411. Five hundredths between them and
• 1:18:39
  they were only a 10th and 1/2 in ahead of or 2/10 between 3rd and
• 1:18:45
  4th as well. So very close racing The women's
• 1:18:48
  3000 meters is Emily McKay in 8:30.
• 1:18:52
  So quicker than what we saw the our open 3000 and then Ellie
• 1:18:58
  Saint Pierre was second in 831. The men's 800, it was Cooper,
• 1:19:05
  Lipton House, the 16 maybe now 17 year old in 146.6, Sean Dolan
• 1:19:12
  in 147.1 and he was 5 hundredths or six hundredths ahead of Zai
• 1:19:17
  Harrison. Another very close race for
• 1:19:18
  those spots. I think Green in the men's 1500
• 1:19:22
  was first in 337 and Luke Hauser was 2 hundredths behind him in
• 1:19:28
  337.67 and they just picked Vincent Ciardi who was six
• 1:19:36
  hundredths behind them. So also, again, very close
• 1:19:38
  racing, which is cool. And then in the men's 3000
• 1:19:41
  meters, which in terms of fields was probably the the most
• 1:19:46
  stacked field, I would say the and it was Cole Hawker who got
• 1:19:52
  the win in 739.253 hundredths ahead of yard and a goose and
• 1:19:56
  Nico Young was 100th behind them.
• 1:19:58
  So 4 hundredths separating first and 3rd, which I did did appear
• 1:20:03
  in my in my feed a few times that race.
• 1:20:06
  Yeah, knowingly. I haven't seen it yet.
• 1:20:08
  So I was trying to find a YouTube playback and none of
• 1:20:11
  it's on there. I.
• 1:20:12
  Mean that's probably part of the problem is it's hard to follow
• 1:20:16
  the sport sometimes and like I mentioned same with Tokyo.
• 1:20:18
  I couldn't even get a live stream.
• 1:20:20
  I eventually found 1 and I was running, I was doing my long run
• 1:20:23
  on Sunday and I was like, Oh, yes, getting sucked right into
• 1:20:27
  it. It's sort of my pace started
• 1:20:30
  picking up and it was English commentary.
• 1:20:32
  It's the, oh, I forgot. Like, what's his name?
• 1:20:35
  Is it Japan running news or the I forget, forgot the guy's name,
• 1:20:38
  but he, he speaks very good English.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah. And he, and it was his voice.
• 1:20:44
  And then it got to a point where the, the, the group is chasing
• 1:20:48
  down and overtook keep Chogi. And I was like, hold on a
• 1:20:52
  minute, I've been done. And so there's over 1000 people
• 1:20:56
  tuning into race. That happened two years ago.
• 1:21:01
  Well, I'm glad that when you flicked it through, I did click
• 1:21:04
  on it and at that point there was Japanese subtitles like
• 1:21:07
  taking up 75% of the screen, so I quickly got rid of it.
• 1:21:11
  At least I. Was prepared to take that like
• 1:21:14
  also that's is if I could get the audio that would be enough.
• 1:21:17
  But yeah, and I did go on to watch athletics and there was no
• 1:21:21
  Australian, even Australian light stream option mentioned,
• 1:21:26
  which is a bit of a shame. But anything else I guess we say
• 1:21:29
  on that. I mean, a lot of the favourites
• 1:21:31
  I would say got through. I mean, Sinclair Johnson
• 1:21:35
  finishing fourth in the mid 1500 is maybe a bit of an upset.
• 1:21:39
  And then obviously Nico Young missing out as well and.
• 1:21:45
  Then I guess the men's 1500 meters showing the consequences
• 1:21:49
  of trying to double back for a second event after going with
• 1:21:53
  your primary 1. So Nagus and Hokka and Cupertier
• 1:21:59
  and where's Port as he doubled as well.
• 1:22:02
  At least those three anyway. They all ran the the 3000
• 1:22:05
  meters. I think that was the night
• 1:22:07
  before. And obviously for Cole and the
• 1:22:10
  Goose, they got the two spots in the 3K.
• 1:22:13
  So it was a bit of a free hit to come back and do the 1500 meters
• 1:22:17
  anyway. But then just to see Hocker down
• 1:22:21
  in 5th place after the past six months that he's had, it just
• 1:22:25
  doesn't quite look right, does it?
• 1:22:27
  When you you see that Nathan Green, Luke House and Vincent
• 1:22:31
  Chiasi, they're all kind of breaking the tape together.
• 1:22:34
  You love to see that though, don't you?
• 1:22:35
  As a spectator, just how fine the margins are and that they're
• 1:22:39
  human. And yeah, that's cool.
• 1:22:42
  That Nathan Green guy, I've seen a interview with him afterwards
• 1:22:46
  and he says like, yeah, coach, he's just got me to peek
• 1:22:49
  perfectly. Like this is my second race of
• 1:22:51
  the season. How is he able to go out and
• 1:22:55
  just put like the form that Carl Hawk has been in?
• 1:23:00
  Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, slightly frustrating
• 1:23:02
  championships for old mate Cooper Tier again, finishing
• 1:23:07
  seventh in the 3K and 7th in the 1500 meters.
• 1:23:10
  Feel like he's building a bit though.
• 1:23:12
  I reckon. You know, when you interviewed
• 1:23:14
  him and he was saying he was going to have a bit of downtime
• 1:23:16
  and chill out. Like he didn't sound like he was
• 1:23:19
  going to say do what? Which Speaking of, no mention of
• 1:23:26
  Hobbs Kessler. Yeah.
• 1:23:29
  I think he got a little bit of a niggle after like the day he ran
• 1:23:32
  that world record. Yeah, interesting.
• 1:23:35
  Because like he was sort of, I feel like did the opposite, just
• 1:23:37
  went ham and got fit quickly, got into exceptional shape.
• 1:23:42
  And then whereas Kubu I think sounded like he's having some
• 1:23:44
  downtime. So maybe he's still building
• 1:23:47
  into his season, hopefully. No Josh Howey either.
• 1:23:50
  Tops counselor. Reminds me of him, another world
• 1:23:53
  record holder a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:23:56
  Yeah, you're taking shots there, aren't you?
• 1:23:59
  No, no, I'm just saying he would.
• 1:24:00
  Too early. Yeah, he would have been in the
• 1:24:03
  lineup, Owen. 'S not on, so someone needs to
• 1:24:06
  try a bit of spice in which, Speaking of that leads us to
• 1:24:10
  Owen's favorite segment. We could drop a voice note in
• 1:24:14
  from Owen noticed Thoughts. Oh, what do you reckon he'll
• 1:24:17
  say? So this is in our running news
• 1:24:20
  show notes. We've got Will Tedgy band news.
• 1:24:24
  So we did cover this ahead of the World Championships last
• 1:24:29
  year, didn't we? Because when we were speculating
• 1:24:32
  over Jess Hall and how she would go over the 1500, we mentioned
• 1:24:37
  that one of the major threats was the Ethiopian athlete and is
• 1:24:45
  it to rebate will Will Ted you? But they were issued with a a
• 1:24:52
  doping ban. So they they weren't allowed to
• 1:24:54
  compete in Tokyo last year, were they?
• 1:24:58
  But that was before the the conclusion of their arbitration
• 1:25:04
  period that bef between that that period where they'll
• 1:25:07
  basically they they hadn't yet handed down a sanction, but it
• 1:25:11
  sounded like something was coming and it and what and it
• 1:25:14
  has been handed down. And I think is it, when is it
• 1:25:17
  effective from? It's effective from before world
• 1:25:20
  indoor championships last year. Yeah, Feb 25 Does it say?
• 1:25:25
  Yeah, and sorry, when effective in terms of they well, Teji
• 1:25:30
  competed at the indoor champs last year and finished she
• 1:25:35
  finished second and and so she's been her results have been
• 1:25:41
  removed for that championship, which meant that the Aussie
• 1:25:46
  Georgia Griffith, who finished fourth gets promoted into
• 1:25:51
  bronze. So which is awesome to get the
• 1:25:56
  recognition of a global medal. But then at the same time very,
• 1:26:01
  you know, it's a bit double edged because you don't get to
• 1:26:04
  enjoy that moment. Yeah, Must feel like a bit
• 1:26:08
  bittersweet, mustn't it? Georgia Hunter Bell was all, she
• 1:26:12
  finished third in the race, so she gets promoted to the silver
• 1:26:15
  as well. So, yeah, I mean, it's good that
• 1:26:18
  they've they've got her and they've backdated the ban and
• 1:26:22
  they're applying the results accordingly.
• 1:26:26
  I mean, they've backdated it to February 2025, which is what, 12
• 1:26:31
  months ago? What was what was happening in
• 1:26:33
  2024 when she's done well, 15 different races and probably 1
• 1:26:40
  all sorts there. Yeah, it's an interesting one.
• 1:26:43
  Like I don't know how I feel feel about it.
• 1:26:45
  Like because the the ban regards not providing a sample and I
• 1:26:53
  think it can carry a term of like 4 years.
• 1:26:55
  She received a ban of two years because I think she was found to
• 1:27:00
  be negligent rather than intentional with her skipping
• 1:27:05
  it. And at least that's what she was
• 1:27:06
  found to be well able to be proved to be negligent, which
• 1:27:09
  reduces the sentence. I do remember hearing an
• 1:27:13
  interview, I'd have been on the inside Running podcast of an
• 1:27:16
  athlete. She tells of her story.
• 1:27:19
  It might have been a like a Hobart Grand Prix where she had
• 1:27:25
  a, a flight to catch that afternoon to get back to let's
• 1:27:28
  say Melbourne or somewhere. And she, she was fairly young
• 1:27:33
  and inexperienced and she'd been pulled aside by whoever the drug
• 1:27:37
  testers were and she couldn't provide a sample in time.
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  And so she just panicked and left and received a doping ban
• 1:27:45
  off the back of that. So look, just playing devil's
• 1:27:51
  advocate in terms of, you know, if, if they're found to be
• 1:27:53
  negligent, it sounds like maybe they just.
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  But if you've been in the system that long, which I'm sure she
• 1:27:58
  has, she's probably fairly familiar with the rules of rules
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  of the game, I would have thought.
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  I will allow your devil's advocacy and the listeners will
• 1:28:11
  draw their own conclusions. But you know, Owen wouldn't be
• 1:28:14
  allowing that devil's advocacy. She also hasn't raced since July
• 1:28:19
  25. So I mean the two year ban will
• 1:28:22
  be backdated till then. So she's eight months into it
• 1:28:26
  already. She'll be back for LA 2028.
• 1:28:30
  Which is a bit farcical really, isn't it?
• 1:28:33
  YouTube Diaries. Shit, you were going to cover 1
• 1:28:37
  here, weren't you? Yeah.
• 1:28:39
  I just thought we'd mention the it's a bit going against the the
• 1:28:46
  brand that is the name of the segment which is YouTube.
• 1:28:50
  But I just sort of. We do too.
• 1:28:51
  We do too. We can do too.
• 1:28:52
  Brilliant. Well, I'll mention the
• 1:28:55
  Journeyman podcast and the reason for that is 1 because I
• 1:28:59
  listen to it and then two, because that's who Tim Vincent's
• 1:29:04
  a Co host on that and he's very kindly, you know, jumped on the
• 1:29:10
  London Calling series. And so just that I've mentioned
• 1:29:14
  he's he's doing that on top of his weekly commitment, which is
• 1:29:17
  to the journeyman podcast. So it's himself, Elaine Dutton,
• 1:29:22
  who Elaine along with taught Tom Moorcroft and many others have
• 1:29:27
  been training partners of the front runner crew in Perth for a
• 1:29:30
  long time. Elaine moved to Queensland to
• 1:29:34
  continue his studies in medicine and so we lost him to the the
• 1:29:40
  Gold Coast and he has teamed up I think with Tim and Geordie M
• 1:29:45
  McLennan, who I remember racing Geordie in the Gold Coast
• 1:29:49
  Marathon in 2023 where we ran most of the race together.
• 1:29:55
  So yeah, I remember those guys there if like a fun listen in
• 1:29:58
  terms of like easy listen. They track their running
• 1:30:03
  adventures and their training adventures and sort of it's nice
• 1:30:07
  to hear what's going on in terms of quite the Queensland running
• 1:30:10
  scene, which is, which is cool. So yeah, worth a listen if you
• 1:30:13
  have time. Thank you.
• 1:30:15
  Second one being again, Team Macau bound, but they put out
• 1:30:20
  because they've got like 5 or 6 different athletes, they're able
• 1:30:22
  to follow different narratives within the one channel, which is
• 1:30:26
  cool in itself. Although it is the group
• 1:30:29
  dynamic, they can also like kind of zoom in on individuals when
• 1:30:33
  they're building for certain races themselves.
• 1:30:35
  So this recent video came out on the back of the Ellis cross and
• 1:30:40
  Sarah Aston making their marathon debut.
• 1:30:42
  And was it Seville the other week, Ellis ran 210 and Sarah
• 1:30:47
  ran 235. But to tie this into an
• 1:30:53
  interview which is coming out later on this week, spoiler
• 1:30:57
  alert, you may hear a lot about team Macau spoken about in that
• 1:31:01
  video. So it may just make you think
• 1:31:04
  about it a little bit differently because it's kind of
• 1:31:06
  like a bit of behind the scenes really in terms of like what
• 1:31:10
  goes into the videos, what the thought, what the thoughts are.
• 1:31:15
  They're so deliberate with the content.
• 1:31:16
  It's not just like, let's just film each other and we'll see
• 1:31:20
  how it comes out. They're kind of intentionally
• 1:31:24
  doing this story, making stuff. And they've also kind of all
• 1:31:27
  agreed that like, listen, everything goes in the good, the
• 1:31:32
  bad, whatever. Like, we're all in with it.
• 1:31:36
  We can't just be like kind of clipping this to make ourselves
• 1:31:39
  look good or like, we don't want to face the music when shit goes
• 1:31:42
  bad. So it's, it's nice to hear like
• 1:31:45
  that authentic side of it. And yeah, Ellis ran 210 on the
• 1:31:51
  day. And he talks about through the
• 1:31:55
  the block, that's his first marathon block, Just trying to
• 1:31:58
  like feel some sort of accomplishment on every single
• 1:32:01
  run that you've done. Going through that British
• 1:32:03
  winter, like dark, pissing down mornings and evenings, just
• 1:32:08
  getting the run done is like kind of give yourself that
• 1:32:11
  positive feedback to then fuel you to go again the next one.
• 1:32:19
  He also references that he was aware you only get to debut
• 1:32:23
  once. Whether it's a good debut, a bad
• 1:32:25
  debut relative to the goals that you set, it only ever happens
• 1:32:29
  once. So celebrate whatever the result
• 1:32:31
  is, which I thought was a nice little reflection on it.
• 1:32:36
  He's a bit of a joker himself and before the race he looks
• 1:32:39
  like directly into the camera and he's like, I'm not here to
• 1:32:42
  play games, I'm here to run fast.
• 1:32:45
  So I mean, two 10s, it's an impressive debut.
• 1:32:49
  So I mean, yeah, excited to follow his journey if he does
• 1:32:53
  continue going down the marathon path.
• 1:32:55
  And hopefully we can maybe get to speak to a few more of the
• 1:32:59
  Macau lads and girls because they're they're good fun.
• 1:33:03
  And keep your eyes peeled. I won't give away who the
• 1:33:05
  interviewee was, but I've told you it's one of them.
• 1:33:09
  Isa. So yeah, YouTube Diaries done.
• 1:33:15
  We're missing him for Double Trouble again.
• 1:33:16
  I always like to blame him. Yeah, you're probably not
• 1:33:19
  getting much from me this week. Maybe that cyclists are hard
• 1:33:23
  done by. More love for the cyclists out
• 1:33:25
  there. My legs are absolutely wrecked
• 1:33:27
  so I feel like that copper. Yeah, should play the victim.
• 1:33:32
  The underappreciated cyclists. They are underappreciated.
• 1:33:36
  Speaking of any, did you want to recap training your training
• 1:33:39
  week? Maybe in lieu of?
• 1:33:41
  Yeah, go on then. So I think it was a little bit
• 1:33:44
  of a lighter week on the cyclone front in terms of volume to 130
• 1:33:48
  K. But the running that was the
• 1:33:50
  main focus this week because I was kind of feeling good off the
• 1:33:54
  past couple of weeks of build and this was going to be a five
• 1:33:57
  week, 5 day week of running. So a bit of a tester in terms of
• 1:34:03
  could I step up with some volume.
• 1:34:05
  So it did run five days, two days on, one day off, 2 days on,
• 1:34:10
  one day off one day. And within that done two runs
• 1:34:15
  with a bit of steady effort in so 15 minutes steady in the
• 1:34:18
  first one, just going for like 150 heart rate range because
• 1:34:21
  that's previously what my steady output was.
• 1:34:25
  And I've learned that although you lose fitness, so you lose
• 1:34:29
  the ability to run a certain pace at that output, your zone
• 1:34:34
  doesn't really shift too much. It might move by like a beat or
• 1:34:38
  two or three, but rarely. It's just the difference between
• 1:34:43
  running four minute 30 if you're unfit versus 4 minutes if you
• 1:34:48
  fit. You still get the same training
• 1:34:51
  effect. Given that you are working at
• 1:34:52
  that same heart rate. It's not like you need to try
• 1:34:55
  and. Run.
• 1:34:56
  The steady pace that you previously had, because that'll
• 1:34:59
  probably do you some damage. Threshold.
• 1:35:02
  Yeah. So that was fun just looking at
• 1:35:05
  the watch trying to keep the heart rate down because I guess
• 1:35:07
  that's the risk with being somewhat unconditioned and unfit
• 1:35:11
  as you heart rate drift will just take you into that zone
• 1:35:15
  above. So it was nice to keep it around
• 1:35:17
  1:50. I think the pace was just under
• 1:35:20
  4 minutes somewhere, 355, something like that.
• 1:35:24
  Then the day after I would just do an easy run with some
• 1:35:28
  strides. First time doing strides in
• 1:35:30
  almost a year, which is bizarre given strides are like pretty
• 1:35:34
  much nothing but like just the the force that goes through your
• 1:35:38
  muscles during the strides. They're just a little bit risky.
• 1:35:42
  It's funny because I was telling you, wasn't I, about the the
• 1:35:45
  average pace that would come out from these strides.
• 1:35:48
  I've done it on a piece of grass.
• 1:35:50
  Regression. The regression strides, yeah,
• 1:35:53
  done it on some grass and I wasn't looking at my watch
• 1:35:55
  obviously because it's fucking 20 seconds stride.
• 1:35:59
  But then afterwards I was curious to see and I
• 1:36:03
  deliberately gave it a nudge whilst it was stride and then
• 1:36:06
  like tried to get my form going and stuff.
• 1:36:09
  So then afterwards, I was curious what that meant.
• 1:36:12
  So it's fun to see that. So then five of them, it was
• 1:36:15
  like the first 1-303-306-3093 twelve 315 referring back to the
• 1:36:23
  actual moment of doing them wasn't I didn't feel like I was
• 1:36:27
  blowing up. It was because obviously it's
• 1:36:29
  2020 seconds. How can you blow up?
• 1:36:31
  It's just the the muscles were getting fatigued and they like
• 1:36:35
  my legs would just break down after 18 seconds and then after
• 1:36:40
  15 seconds and then after 12 seconds.
• 1:36:42
  So the I couldn't even hold form for 20 seconds which is
• 1:36:46
  hilarious. Like regardless of how
• 1:36:49
  aerobically fit I am off the bike, it's just all that
• 1:36:51
  neuromuscular conditioning and the mind body connection to send
• 1:36:57
  these fucking waves to your muscles to actually move a bit
• 1:37:01
  faster than they have done for a while.
• 1:37:03
  It takes a while to come back. That mind body you, you were
• 1:37:11
  Speaking of that Bite Fitness on Thursday.
• 1:37:13
  You were pretty keen early to Bennett on that Thursday morning
• 1:37:16
  ride, weren't you, to go to? There was the.
• 1:37:19
  Shades of Rodman on a Thursday morning.
• 1:37:22
  Yeah, just almost cycling off from the workout, spitting the
• 1:37:25
  chewy. Yeah, did you not have glasses
• 1:37:28
  on too for all that wet stuff just getting thrown in your
• 1:37:32
  eyes? It was the one morning that I
• 1:37:35
  didn't bring the glasses. I can't.
• 1:37:36
  Believe. It yeah, I know.
• 1:37:40
  I felt like an F1 driver in the rain.
• 1:37:42
  You know, when when you watch the TV and you're looking at
• 1:37:44
  like, how the hell can they see where they're going?
• 1:37:46
  And that was me on the wheel. I was like, I can't believe he's
• 1:37:50
  not wearing anything like because I'm just covered in shit
• 1:37:52
  from it was for context. It was what the it's a bit of an
• 1:37:56
  electrical storm and and there was some too heavy showers just
• 1:37:59
  before we started our workout in Kings Park cycling workout.
• 1:38:03
  And yeah, it's pretty wet, which and it's the first bit of wet
• 1:38:07
  we've had in a while, right. So it made made for some
• 1:38:10
  unpleasant writing. And we were joking about how
• 1:38:13
  soft we are and the fact that we're crying because it's rained
• 1:38:16
  once. Very pretty.
• 1:38:19
  I drove to the start because I didn't want to get wet.
• 1:38:25
  But yeah, good week overall, 60K is worth of running and keen to
• 1:38:29
  progress it again this week. What that means I haven't quite
• 1:38:33
  thought about yet. Probably, just maybe get the
• 1:38:36
  steady up to half an hour, keep the rest of the volume similar.
• 1:38:41
  May, Yeah, probably just do that, another week of two steady
• 1:38:45
  runs and then maybe next week can try a bit of a tempo style
• 1:38:49
  workhouse. How about you?
• 1:38:52
  Yes I rode 130 odd K and ran 90K so 2 workouts.
• 1:39:02
  It's like this 3 by 8 minutes by the two-minute float.
• 1:39:07
  Do that twice, so Tuesday, Thursday, so Thursday afternoon
• 1:39:11
  after Thursday morning bike intervals and then double T
• 1:39:17
  that's it. And then yeah, Saturday morning,
• 1:39:21
  like the aerobic or longer ride, you know, the CRT ride and then
• 1:39:25
  Sunday morning long run, like 90 minute long run and then some
• 1:39:30
  just easy jogging and incidental cycling in it sprinkled in
• 1:39:34
  amongst that. So yeah, still feeling a bit
• 1:39:38
  tight and sore just on my right leg, but not the not bone pain,
• 1:39:43
  but just more just things a bit tight and stiff.
• 1:39:45
  So try not to get too carried away with the workouts yet, but
• 1:39:50
  at the same time still getting a bit quicker each week with them,
• 1:39:53
  which is good. Just trying to yeah, just hope
• 1:39:58
  just loading everything up. It's sort of not wanting to push
• 1:40:02
  it too much. So I'll probably sit around this
• 1:40:04
  for a couple more weeks, get a good I can.
• 1:40:08
  If I want to do more I can cycle a bit more but and try and sit
• 1:40:12
  around 100 odd KS a week. How's the general fatigue given
• 1:40:17
  you're doing quite a bit of quality across running and
• 1:40:21
  cycling now? Because I've started to fail it.
• 1:40:24
  Yeah, tired. No, definitely.
• 1:40:26
  Like my training load is like up to is up at a pretty reasonable
• 1:40:31
  level like I'm in terms of if yeah, if my training peaks is
• 1:40:36
  anything to go by. Now you can hold a bit of a
• 1:40:38
  higher training load like triathletes do compared to
• 1:40:40
  runners. But yeah, my training, it feels
• 1:40:44
  like enough for sure. So I'm pretty, pretty happy with
• 1:40:48
  what's going on. I think I just want to keep
• 1:40:51
  repeating it for a few more weeks and then I might then
• 1:40:55
  toggle it a little bit towards focusing a little bit more on
• 1:40:59
  running, but don't want to get too carried away because I want
• 1:41:04
  to just make sure my legs are everything's feeling good.
• 1:41:08
  Yeah, I guess it's important to reflect on like where we are now
• 1:41:15
  is a lot further ahead than where we were four to six weeks
• 1:41:19
  ago. So like, yeah, you may not be
• 1:41:21
  able to progress the workouts yet, but you're still able to
• 1:41:24
  complete them. And that's a frustrating thing,
• 1:41:28
  like, oh, I can't keep building my volume or can't build bigger
• 1:41:31
  workouts, but you're still able to do them.
• 1:41:35
  Yeah, that's right. Like, I ran 90 minutes or
• 1:41:37
  whatever on Sunday and I'm like, but normally every other week
• 1:41:41
  I'm running 2 1/2 hours and I should be doing strides after
• 1:41:46
  every run or, you know, all these sorts of more, more, more.
• 1:41:49
  But I think, yeah, like you mentioned, the training load is
• 1:41:54
  pretty solid. So I just don't need to get too
• 1:41:56
  carried away. I think we're both doing a
• 1:41:58
  pretty good job. Yeah, and Owen's doing all the
• 1:42:02
  racing for us, so that's all right.
• 1:42:05
  He is, although he's he's pulled up stumps, isn't he?
• 1:42:10
  I never thought he'd get, he'd get to the point where he's
• 1:42:13
  having a a mid season break. He was on that much of A tear, I
• 1:42:17
  reckon, Aden said the word. Yeah, goodbye, Aden.
• 1:42:23
  I wonder which which of his informants will be passing him
• 1:42:26
  on the the comments that we're making this week.
• 1:42:28
  We've been pretty good, I thought.
• 1:42:30
  Yeah, gone soft on him. All right, I reckon that's us.
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