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Reali-TEA Crime Stories: sMOTHERly Love | The Cosby Broken Covenant · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 1: scripted as well. All right, rain Dross, If you've been
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Speaker 1: sipping with us, then you know Reality Crime Stories is
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Speaker 1: where glam meets grit and the headlines always comes with
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Speaker 1: a sight of hard truth. Every week, Courtney Parker and
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Speaker 1: I put Back to the Velvet Robe on.
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Speaker 2: Fame, Fortune and the fallout they try to hide.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Carlos.
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Speaker 4: Everything from reality TV scandals to the crimes committed behind
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Speaker 4: the cameras, whether it happens on or off the screen,
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Speaker 4: Carlos and I will bring you the tea surrounding hot
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Speaker 4: topic crime stories involving all of your favorite reality TV personalities.
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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child, is that
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Speaker 1: in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Ray Drops.
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Speaker 1: On this episode of Reality Crime Stories, Courtney Parker and
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Speaker 1: I are back to discuss the latest happenings that's going
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Speaker 1: on with Real Housewife of Salt Lake City star Mary
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Speaker 1: Cosby's son, Robert Cosby Junior, who is in the spotlight
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Speaker 1: due to the fact that he has found himself in
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Speaker 1: some trouble.
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Speaker 2: So Courtney talk to us about what's going on.
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Speaker 1: And before we get to that, let's welcome our favorite
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Speaker 1: Judgeudge tyrannyus back to to give us nothing but the facts.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and my infamous disclaimer, rain Drops, don't be mad
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Speaker 5: at me because I cannot go into any details of
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Speaker 5: any open case. I am only here to explain the
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Speaker 5: legal system and how laws are applied.
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Speaker 6: I am not.
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Speaker 5: Here to give you any opinions or legal advice, So
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Speaker 5: please do not be mad at me.
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Speaker 6: Have a Marry Mary holiday.
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Speaker 2: And there you have it.
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Speaker 1: So Courtney talk to us about what's going on with
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Speaker 1: Mary some Robert Cosby Jr.
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Speaker 2: We all watch the show and we know that.
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Speaker 1: He was dealing with some addiction, but he did find
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Speaker 1: himself as some criminal trouble.
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Speaker 2: What's what's the.
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Speaker 4: Latest, Listen, I've been Carlos, you know, I have been
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Speaker 4: pushing for this since I first read about it, since
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Speaker 4: news just broke about it. Because I have been following
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Speaker 4: this family and all the scandals since The Real Housewives
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Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City aired and they got on This
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Speaker 4: is a near and dear topic to me because just
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Speaker 4: having been someone who grew up in a very faith
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Speaker 4: based family. My mom is a preacher's kid, my grandfather
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Speaker 4: was a Southern Baptist preacher. I've been in the area
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Speaker 4: of faith and faith based stuff and surrounded by not
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Speaker 4: in my family alone, but just working in and with
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Speaker 4: high society faith based families. I have been keeping a
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Speaker 4: real close eye on this. So when I found out
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Speaker 4: what was happening kind of behind the scenes with Robbie
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Speaker 4: Robert Cosby Junior and him attempting to, you know, break
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Speaker 4: into his father in law's house, the domestic violence charges
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Speaker 4: against him, and then this latest thing with the him
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Speaker 4: trying to break in through a doggy door, I was like,
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Speaker 4: we absolutely have to talk about this, but more so
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Speaker 4: than just the crimes that he's pled guilty to, and
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Speaker 4: we'll get into all of that, but just the dynamics
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Speaker 4: of what makes somebody that is that grows up in
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Speaker 4: the reality scene, but not reality characters. They're thrown into
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Speaker 4: the spotlight by way of their parents or their mom.
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Speaker 4: We've seen it happen so many times, and we as
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Speaker 4: producers of reality TV don't really get to tell the
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Speaker 4: stories of the characters behind the characters. And that's why
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Speaker 4: this Reality Crime Store Stories episode is so near and
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Speaker 4: dearer to my heart, because there are casual these these
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Speaker 4: kids and young adults become sometimes casualties of circumstances, and
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Speaker 4: that's what I feel has happened here with Robert, so to.
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Speaker 2: Break things down. On September sixth and seventh.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, Robert Cosmy Junior rust arrested after
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Speaker 1: allegedly attempting to break into his bob in.
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Speaker 2: Law's home through a dog door, allegedly.
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Speaker 1: Assaulting a person on the property, allegedly refusing police commands,
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Speaker 1: and allegedly violating a protective order connected to his strange
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Speaker 1: why charges worth file criminal trespass, a saft, failure to
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Speaker 1: comply with a low offer order, violation of a protective
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Speaker 1: order as well.
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Speaker 2: On November ninth of this year, Robert Jr.
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Speaker 1: Was arrested again and charge with the multiple offenses including,
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Speaker 1: according to police, and court filings, violation of a pre
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Speaker 1: trial protective order, criminal trespass, assault, and property damage and destruction.
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Speaker 1: In his latest court appearance on November twenty fifth, he
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Speaker 1: did plead guilty to a set of eight charges. Those
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Speaker 1: charges he admitted to include felon need, property damage destruction,
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Speaker 1: two counts of violating a pre trip protective order which
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Speaker 1: is a no contact order, assault on a peace officer,
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Speaker 1: violation of a jail release court order, criminal trespass of
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Speaker 1: a dwelling, Class B misdemeanor assault, and as part of
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Speaker 1: this plea agreement, six other misdemeanor charges. We're just missed
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Speaker 1: with prejudice, which means, right, Judge, that they can't try
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Speaker 1: him again for that.
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Speaker 2: That's correct.
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Speaker 6: That's correct. Attorney King, thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: I'm in law school, guys, thank you, Robert.
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Speaker 6: We are joking. Carlos King is not a lawyer.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I played one
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Speaker 2: on YouTube. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Robert Junior remains incarcerated rain drops at the Salt Lake
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Speaker 1: County Metro Jail. We're sent to see scheduled for February third,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: So Judge, I want to ask the first question that
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Speaker 2: corney will follow up with mini men many more.
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Speaker 1: Talk to us about the fact that, okay, these charges
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Speaker 1: do seem to be serious, and although serious, it does
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Speaker 1: appear just based on reading it that look property damage,
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Speaker 1: assaulting a peace officer, and now the fact that he
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Speaker 1: does remain incarcerated until February third. Speak to us just
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Speaker 1: about how these charges that some people may say, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't murder anybody, you know he those things, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, those things people may say.
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Speaker 1: Okay, in some cases, you may be able to be
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Speaker 1: released on bail until you're sentencing on February third, although
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Speaker 1: obviously we're going to talk about the facts of the case,
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Speaker 1: not your opinion. I am curious as to are these
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Speaker 1: charges normal for somebody to have to stay in jail
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Speaker 1: until trial until sentencing rather.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So again I can't speak on an open case
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Speaker 5: or give my opinion, but I'm not sure if the
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Speaker 5: rain drops realize that I am actually a criminal, mistermeanor judge.
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Speaker 5: So what I can explain is the difference between felony
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Speaker 5: and mistermeanor charges.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so.
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Speaker 5: Just total red flag. The felony is going to elevate
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Speaker 5: this to a more serious criminal conduct level. Okay, So
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Speaker 5: the fact that there is a criminal felony property damage
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Speaker 5: charge is going to take it to a higher court.
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Speaker 5: I cannot. I do not preside over mister felonies. I
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Speaker 5: only preside over mistermeanors. And so that that alone tells
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Speaker 5: you that this is serious. Because there is a felony
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Speaker 5: charge and it varies from state to state.
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Speaker 6: It is property.
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Speaker 5: Damage and generally fell a property damaged charges will be
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Speaker 5: decided on the amount of the property damage.
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Speaker 6: The amount is going to vary from state to state.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So you have that, you have a felony charge,
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Speaker 5: then you have a host of mister meanors that are
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Speaker 5: going to be considered at the higher tier of mister meanors.
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Speaker 3: Can you break down.
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Speaker 4: The tiers of mistermeanors and what kind of time people
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Speaker 4: look at Because when you hear mister or, at least
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Speaker 4: for me, when I hear Mistermeanor, I feel like.
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Speaker 3: That's a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 4: It's not really serious and it really has to deal
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Speaker 4: with paying fines. So can you clarify that how.
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Speaker 5: I think that they that may be a misnomer. So
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Speaker 5: any mister meaner charge again is going to vary state
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Speaker 5: by state.
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Speaker 6: I am in the state of Georgia.
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Speaker 5: In the State of Georgia, mistermeanor, charge is going to
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Speaker 5: be a fine up to eight thousand dollars plus court
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Speaker 5: costs and or up to a year in jail per charge.
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Speaker 6: So if you have six or seven.
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Speaker 5: Mistermeanors, theoretically I could put you behind bars for up to.
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Speaker 6: Six to seven years. What wow, Yes, because you.
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Speaker 5: Can run the sentenc scen concurrently which means at the
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Speaker 5: same time, or consecutively, which means one year after another,
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Speaker 5: after another after another per charge per charge. So I
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Speaker 5: think that you know, the public has to be very
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Speaker 5: careful anytime you are dealing with law enforcement in the courts.
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Speaker 5: It is serious whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony.
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Speaker 5: The felony just takes it to a higher level. And
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Speaker 5: it is also going to impede your ability to go
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Speaker 5: and real get reacculated with society because now it's going
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Speaker 5: to be harder for you to get a job because
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Speaker 5: sometimes they ask about your criminal history and specifically about
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Speaker 5: whether you have a felony conviction. It's going to be
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Speaker 5: harder for you to get into college. It's going to
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Speaker 5: be harder for you to rent an apartment. These are
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Speaker 5: all things that impact not just what you have to
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Speaker 5: deal with in the criminal system, but also once you
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Speaker 5: are back in society, So it has a lot of
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Speaker 5: collateral consequences.
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Speaker 6: The felony is definitely going to up the ante.
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Speaker 4: The fact that he's pleaded guilty and he's assuming responsibility,
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Speaker 4: and this he really is a first time offender, not
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Speaker 4: first time being arrested, but.
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Speaker 3: First time offender.
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Speaker 4: This is all of it is connected to his soon
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Speaker 4: to be ex wife.
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Speaker 3: Would this be considered a family court thing or no?
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Speaker 4: Whenever there is an assault or domestic violence between spouses,
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Speaker 4: how can you break down to us.
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Speaker 3: What that looks like.
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Speaker 5: So the charges that you all have listed are all
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Speaker 5: criminal charges. That means that you are going to be
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Speaker 5: in a criminal court period, point blank, full stop. There
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Speaker 5: is no other court. There is no we can go
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Speaker 5: to civil court or family court. No, You're going to
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Speaker 5: be in front of a judge who is going to
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Speaker 5: determine your conduct based on the facts of the law. Okay,
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Speaker 5: And I want to make a point because again I
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Speaker 5: know nothing about this case and or these people, but
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Speaker 5: I want to be clear, I'm not sure that this
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Speaker 5: is the first offense, because based on the charges that
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Speaker 5: you listed, it sounds like there may have been a
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Speaker 5: violation of a standing order from a previous case, which.
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Speaker 1: Makes sense because on September sixth, is when he was
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Speaker 1: arrested first, and November ninth, which is two months after
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Speaker 1: what appears to be the first arrest, he was arrested again.
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Speaker 2: So maybe the reason, yeah, for similar things.
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Speaker 1: So to your point, Judge Tyranny, he's been arrested twice
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Speaker 1: a minute two months for so the first time he
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Speaker 1: was arrested, just reiterate, it was attempted to break in,
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Speaker 1: assaulting a personal property, refusing police commands, and like you said,
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Speaker 1: violating a protective order.
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Speaker 2: So his estranged wife, it appears.
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Speaker 1: You know, had allegedly a protective order against him that
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Speaker 1: he violated. So the reason why, to your point, this
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Speaker 1: is becoming not because I mean it is a criminal situation,
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Speaker 1: is because there's been what it appears to.
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Speaker 2: Be multiple violations that led to this.
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Speaker 6: That is correct.
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Speaker 5: And I think I heard someone mention maybe a dui,
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Speaker 5: which is also a criminal offense.
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Speaker 4: Right, all of it has stemmed from there is dispute
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Speaker 4: within this marriage. She's now filed for divorce as a
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Speaker 4: result of this constant harassment and domestic abuse, but.
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Speaker 3: He is It's all.
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Speaker 4: Stemming from kind of the same like, this is a
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Speaker 4: continual dispute between a husband, a young husband and a
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Speaker 4: young wife.
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Speaker 3: She went home.
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Speaker 4: To be with her parents, and he is fighting for
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Speaker 4: his life to get his wife back.
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Speaker 5: And I want to I don't want to keep correcting you,
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Speaker 5: but I can't help it.
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Speaker 6: It was a dispute between a couple.
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Speaker 5: Once there is criminal activity, it is now a matter
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Speaker 5: that falls within the criminal justice system. I want the
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Speaker 5: public to understand how easy it is to elevate a
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Speaker 5: private matter to a criminal matter.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: The reason why I wanted to touch on this though,
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Speaker 4: is because if anybody has been following Mary, her her husband,
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Speaker 4: and her family, I want to give contexts to why
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Speaker 4: I have so much.
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Speaker 3: Empathy for Robert.
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Speaker 4: And there is a huge documentary that I'm anticipating and
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Speaker 4: waiting with baited breath to watch that's coming out January first,
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Speaker 4: on Mary crop Cosby and her husband. I want to
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Speaker 4: give the rain drops some perspective and why I've been
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Speaker 4: following this for forever, uh begging Carlos to cover it
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Speaker 4: every step of the way. Wondering are you and Mary
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Speaker 4: friends Carlos as to why you handled this with kitten gloves.
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Speaker 1: I have all of.
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Speaker 2: Them with kid gloves.
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Speaker 1: No, the thing is, no, I met her and she's
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Speaker 1: she's lovely. She's nothing short of lovely. And Courtney's going
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Speaker 1: to get into some allegations that her church is doing
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Speaker 1: in a TC special as well. I want to add
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Speaker 1: to what Courtney and Judge Tierney has said. So in
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Speaker 1: terms of the wife, the wife has since file for divorce.
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Speaker 1: Robert Junior's attorney did tell People and Courtney, this is
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Speaker 1: a segue to you, Robert Junior's attorney. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Robert Junior is twenty three years old, so I do
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Speaker 1: I do want to add some context of that. His
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Speaker 1: attorney told People magazine that Robert had trouble accepting his
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Speaker 1: marriage to his wife was over and has now accept
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Speaker 1: the responsibility for his mistakes. His attorneys said, I quote
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Speaker 1: his parents, Mary and Robert Senior were his example, and
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Speaker 1: they've been married for twenty seven years.
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Speaker 2: Robert was slow to.
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Speaker 1: Recognize and accept that his marriage was over and continue
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Speaker 1: to connect with his soon to.
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Speaker 2: Be ex wife.
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Speaker 1: He has now accept the responsibility for his mistakes. And
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Speaker 1: that's the reason why he has planed a guilty to
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Speaker 1: several misdemeanors. So Purtney, I didn't want to talk about so,
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Speaker 1: you know, his parents, who his lawyers saying were his
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Speaker 1: examples of why he wanted to fight for his marriage
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Speaker 1: because they've been married for twenty seven years. But the
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Speaker 1: case of rings, don't no talk to us about the
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Speaker 1: sort of controversy regarding Mary and her husband.
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Speaker 4: And her husband his father. So this goes back to
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Speaker 4: Mary being.
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Speaker 3: Married.
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Speaker 4: She entered into a marriage with her step grandfather.
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Speaker 2: That was Mary, did you know that?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I was ready for your reaction.
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Speaker 4: And and it gets weirder because Mary has allegedly long
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Speaker 4: insisted that the marriage was arranged by her grandmother and
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Speaker 4: although the public's reaction was explosive.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, was it was the grandmother attached to the grandfather.
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Speaker 6: Yes, okay, so just so.
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Speaker 1: But but but I want to make sure, I mean, courty,
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Speaker 1: you already said that. I just want to reiterate it
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Speaker 1: for the judge Canoe. Mary married her step grandfather, so
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Speaker 1: it's not her blood grandfather. And like Courtney said, Mary
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Speaker 1: did say that it was the wishes.
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Speaker 2: Of her grandmother when she was passing away.
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Speaker 4: And so although they've been married twenty seven years, Robert
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Speaker 4: Junior has been brought into a marriage to family. So
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Speaker 4: the family dynamic of this is just strange. Couple that
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Speaker 4: with a church that is alleged to run like a cult.
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Speaker 4: And those are not my allegations. Those are alleged so
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Speaker 4: much so that there's a documentary coming out of it,
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Speaker 4: and we followed these stories and these allegations in real time.
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Speaker 4: So he grew up in a house where marriage itself
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Speaker 4: was globally scrutinized, accused the family, Mary's family and Robert
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Speaker 4: Junior's family has long since said Mary is delusional and
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Speaker 4: has rewritten the history, benefiting financially from the church. So
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Speaker 4: all of this is happening. Imagine being even if it's
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Speaker 4: your step grandfather, the fact that grandfather is anywhere in
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Speaker 4: the title of your dad associated with your mom and
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Speaker 4: this marriage and you're growing up in the church.
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Speaker 3: It's just complicated.
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Speaker 4: Where we all know being black, growing up in religious communities,
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Speaker 4: there are extreme expectations that can really shape the identity,
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Speaker 4: the antonomy, the decision making long.
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Speaker 3: Into the adulthood.
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Speaker 4: So that to me is where I wonder judge sharing.
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Speaker 4: And I already kind of know your answer, but I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna ask it for the renine drops just because because
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Speaker 4: we all have some of the same.
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Speaker 6: Questions making them mad at me go ahead.
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Speaker 4: Does any of that factor in when and I know
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Speaker 4: you preside over misdemeanor cases, but just in general, when
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Speaker 4: you factor in upbringing and lawyers introduce that there are
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Speaker 4: mental impacts on them, emotional impacts on them, is empathy
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Speaker 4: ever factored in to the crimes and the charges themselves.
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Speaker 4: This guy is twenty three, so although he's an adult,
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Speaker 4: we all know being mothers, but our twenty year old
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Speaker 4: I have a twenty one year old. It's such a
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Speaker 4: young adult stage. Where does the courtly room for I'm
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Speaker 4: just gonna say it, since we're talking about religion, grace
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Speaker 4: and is there any grace given when circumstances that he's
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Speaker 4: accepted come into play?
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Speaker 5: So before I speak, you know, based on the law,
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Speaker 5: I just want to say that as a mother, I
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Speaker 5: understand what you're saying. I have a freshman and sophomore
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Speaker 5: at Howard University, so of course I understand and I
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Speaker 5: understand the pressures of growing up or let me say,
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Speaker 5: I have worked harder to understand the pressures of growing
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Speaker 5: up in the public eye and through scrutiny, because I
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Speaker 5: may not be on reality TV, but I am a
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Speaker 5: judge who has been in and out of the news
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Speaker 5: for many years, and my children have even been subjected
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Speaker 5: to that in their teen years, and they have in
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Speaker 5: the past and even presently spoke on the pressures of
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Speaker 5: being the child of a judge. And so clearly I
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Speaker 5: am going to understand and te the point you made earlier.
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Speaker 6: They didn't choose to become a public servant.
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Speaker 5: They didn't choose this career by a factor of me,
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Speaker 5: their mother being a judge. They are just things that
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Speaker 5: they're going to always have to move and operate in
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Speaker 5: a different way or it's going to have a different outcome.
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Speaker 6: And as a.
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Speaker 5: Child, you should be able to have the luxury of
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Speaker 5: making mistakes and not being judged in front of the
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Speaker 5: entire world or a world that is constantly criticizing in
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Speaker 5: judging your parents. So with that said, again, as a mother,
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Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, but I have to often
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Speaker 5: say this to people in the kindest way. The criminal
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Speaker 5: justice system is not a social services there are other
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Speaker 5: resources for that.
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Speaker 6: Now, with that said, that is.
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Speaker 5: Why I constantly believe that you cannot give blanket answers
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Speaker 5: or blanket opinions about a criminal court case, because you
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Speaker 5: have to really listen to the facts.
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Speaker 6: Of the case.
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Speaker 5: And when you talk about background information, it may not
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Speaker 5: be a factual part of the case, but it is
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Speaker 5: important to take into consideration because we're talking about the
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Speaker 5: scales of justice and constantly figuring out how to balance those,
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Speaker 5: and so we want to make sure, especially what I
26:09
Speaker 5: call kids who come before us, anybody who is under
26:13
Speaker 5: twenty five to me is still a child who is
26:16
Speaker 5: trying to figure it out.
26:18
Speaker 6: We want to make sure that we are balancing making
26:24
Speaker 6: sure that they are.
26:25
Speaker 5: Held accountable for the harm that they have done to
26:28
Speaker 5: themselves and or any victims. We want to make sure
26:32
Speaker 5: we can keep the public safe, but we want to
26:35
Speaker 5: do it in a manner where we are not creating
26:40
Speaker 5: a repeat offender.
26:41
Speaker 4: Got it.
26:42
Speaker 5: And so in those instances, we do have some programs
26:48
Speaker 5: that are at the court that may be offered, that
26:52
Speaker 5: may be available, and sometimes they are optional and sometimes
26:56
Speaker 5: they are mandated. So if you have I have a
27:00
Speaker 5: substance abuse problem, I may give you the option to
27:05
Speaker 5: go to treatment initially instead of jail time because you
27:11
Speaker 5: made decisions under the influence that were outside of your
27:16
Speaker 5: normal decision making making.
27:19
Speaker 6: Got it.
27:20
Speaker 5: However, if I have given you that chance, or you
27:24
Speaker 5: say I don't want treatment again, we are now the
27:29
Speaker 5: social services.
27:30
Speaker 6: We are a criminal justice system.
27:33
Speaker 5: I am going to use the law and imply it
27:37
Speaker 5: under my authority. And what is that again, one thousand
27:42
Speaker 5: dollars fine and or up to a year in jail.
27:48
Speaker 4: Got it? So, the lack of emotional modeling, the lack
27:54
Speaker 4: of safe communication, the exposure to public ridicule, childhood shaped
27:59
Speaker 4: by common Harry means, and scrutiny of his mother and
28:04
Speaker 4: step grandfather father, And yeah, I said it just like that,
28:09
Speaker 4: and I meant it just like that because that goes
28:11
Speaker 4: into the public scrutiny has no real bearing on his
28:20
Speaker 4: criminal actions.
28:23
Speaker 6: They have no.
28:23
Speaker 5: Bearing in the sense of the criminal justice system.
28:27
Speaker 6: When you apply in the laws.
28:30
Speaker 5: But again, the background information, and that is why it's
28:34
Speaker 5: always good to.
28:35
Speaker 6: Have an advocate.
28:36
Speaker 5: These are the facts that a lawyer will explain to
28:40
Speaker 5: the court and then try and offer an alternative sentencing
28:47
Speaker 5: to help address these issues, hold that person accountable. But
28:52
Speaker 5: again make sure that this person will not do any
28:55
Speaker 5: harm to the public and or themselves. And again I
29:01
Speaker 5: am not being callous. You know my story, Courtney. You
29:05
Speaker 5: know I am the daughter of a junkie. I grew
29:07
Speaker 5: up in a bad situation.
29:10
Speaker 6: Right, the legal justice system does not.
29:15
Speaker 5: Give excuses for growing up in a bad environment. We
29:21
Speaker 5: can only apply the law to the facts of the case.
29:26
Speaker 6: And I think that your heart can go out to
29:30
Speaker 6: this person, certainly.
29:33
Speaker 5: And a lot of times when people are defending the
29:37
Speaker 5: actions of young people or people they do not believe
29:42
Speaker 5: should be punished in a certain way, again they forget
29:48
Speaker 5: that there are victims, got it.
29:52
Speaker 6: And so as a judge and as a court, we again.
29:56
Speaker 5: Have to balance the skills of justice, not just to
30:00
Speaker 5: what is fair to the defendant, but what is fair
30:04
Speaker 5: to the victim, what is fair to the public.
30:08
Speaker 6: Got it.
30:10
Speaker 4: I'm going to ask a question to you, Carlos, because
30:13
Speaker 4: this question is often asked of me as a reality
30:18
Speaker 4: show producer when you're creating shows. And I know, listen,
30:24
Speaker 4: I know Carlos personally and as from producer to producer, Carlos,
30:30
Speaker 4: and he knows this, and the rain drops may not
30:33
Speaker 4: know this. When I was working with Carlos on Hollywood Divas.
30:39
Speaker 3: One of my big.
30:40
Speaker 4: Things that Carlos asked me was are you going to
30:45
Speaker 4: be available? And I said, I will be available whenever
30:48
Speaker 4: you need me. However, I am a mom and my
30:53
Speaker 4: daughter comes first, So I will work as hard for
30:57
Speaker 4: you as I can and give you everything I got,
31:01
Speaker 4: but when she needs me and I need to show up,
31:04
Speaker 4: I need to show up. So I say that to
31:06
Speaker 4: say to give the disclaimer, and he was like okay.
31:11
Speaker 4: And he was one of the first bosses that I've had,
31:16
Speaker 4: friends that I had that understood the balance that was
31:21
Speaker 4: necessary for a black woman to do her job and
31:25
Speaker 4: do it with excellence but also be a mom. And
31:28
Speaker 4: Carlos said to me, you can do this for forever,
31:33
Speaker 4: but you're only going to be a mother to her
31:35
Speaker 4: for a short amount of time that it's gonna matter.
31:39
Speaker 4: So I said all of that to say, Carlos, do
31:43
Speaker 4: you give your when you're dealing with cast that equally
31:48
Speaker 4: are giving you all they have being transparent on TV?
31:53
Speaker 4: And you are a producer, a strong producer and show
31:56
Speaker 4: creator that follows the reality. Carlos is not a scripted
32:02
Speaker 4: reality producer. Contrary to what people may think he literally
32:06
Speaker 4: is one that follows the reality and tells all of
32:09
Speaker 4: us to live by that same mandate. How do you
32:14
Speaker 4: do you own any of the responsibility of what is shown,
32:20
Speaker 4: the ridicules that you're cast their kids feel in face
32:26
Speaker 4: and then talk to us a little bit about that,
32:28
Speaker 4: because it's a slippery slope.
32:31
Speaker 1: A wonderful question, It is a slippery slope right now.
32:37
Speaker 1: I can't speak for other reality producers. Everybody operates differently.
32:40
Speaker 1: When I can say, based on my experience, that I
32:42
Speaker 1: can talk about is the fact that there is a
32:47
Speaker 1: balance of how much do you show where it doesn't
32:52
Speaker 1: feel like you're exploiting the story and you're exploiting someone's addiction.
32:56
Speaker 1: So when it comes to me anything different minor kids
33:00
Speaker 1: and the obviously that means kids under eighteen years old,
33:04
Speaker 1: that to me is at the courtesy of the parent
33:07
Speaker 1: and the child to agree, well the parent.
33:11
Speaker 2: Thankfully.
33:12
Speaker 1: When it comes to what Mary decided to do and
33:15
Speaker 1: Robert decided to do, because they both agreed to talk
33:17
Speaker 1: about it on Salt Lake City and.
33:19
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second.
33:22
Speaker 1: Roberts over the age of eighteen, so as as an adult,
33:25
Speaker 1: he made the decision to talk about his addiction. On
33:29
Speaker 1: a show called Bill Collective that I created and produced.
33:32
Speaker 1: Marie has a mother who had a drug addiction and
33:39
Speaker 1: who's been battling her drug addiction since Marie was a kid. Right,
33:45
Speaker 1: we captured her conversation with her mom about getting sober.
33:52
Speaker 1: We saw visibly that her mother appeared to still be
33:57
Speaker 1: battling with it.
33:58
Speaker 2: I might have to diagnose anybody.
34:00
Speaker 1: She says she wasn't using on one point, in another conversation,
34:04
Speaker 1: she admitted to being addicted to drugs, and we followed
34:09
Speaker 1: Marie going around crack houses to find her mother.
34:15
Speaker 2: And it was at that point that I said, you know,
34:17
Speaker 2: but we have to stop.
34:19
Speaker 1: We have to stop because it gets to a point
34:20
Speaker 1: where it does feel like I don't want to exploit
34:23
Speaker 1: anybody going through this to where there's no room for sobriety.
34:29
Speaker 1: And I think that's when you have to make the
34:32
Speaker 1: decision of is there room for sobriety to where this
34:36
Speaker 1: can be a heroin story, right, like she's this person
34:40
Speaker 1: survived addiction, which I would love to tell that story
34:43
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. And we see filming with her
34:46
Speaker 1: mother until prayerfully she gets better. It comes to Robert,
34:52
Speaker 1: I mean Robert Jr. What is interesting is the fact
34:55
Speaker 1: that I'm.
34:57
Speaker 6: Sorry, Can I make one comment like please? Of course, yes,
35:02
Speaker 6: I'm getting a little emotional. As the daughter of a junkie.
35:06
Speaker 6: I wrote a.
35:06
Speaker 4: Whole context to that. Can you give us a context?
35:10
Speaker 4: You're saying it and the rain drops may not know
35:13
Speaker 4: how deep that goes.
35:15
Speaker 5: So I wrote a book about my childhood growing up
35:18
Speaker 5: with a father who has been addicted to cocaine since
35:22
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy eight. He still struggles with his addiction to
35:27
Speaker 5: this day. By the grace of God, he is still
35:30
Speaker 5: alive to struggle. And what I wanted to say is
35:35
Speaker 5: I want to give you kudos for making sure you
35:39
Speaker 5: didn't go too far, But more importantly, as the child
35:43
Speaker 5: of another addict, I want to give you kudos for
35:46
Speaker 5: sharing that story, as hard as it may be. I
35:51
Speaker 5: am so happy to see that you are not running
35:58
Speaker 5: from the story, because we have to share these stories
36:03
Speaker 5: more often to humanize and show that it is a struggle.
36:08
Speaker 6: Addiction is a disease, and yes, she.
36:12
Speaker 5: May have been clean when she said she was clean,
36:16
Speaker 5: but it is an every day, one day at a
36:19
Speaker 5: time struggle, and they relapsed. But the story is not
36:24
Speaker 5: how many times you fall down, but how many times
36:27
Speaker 5: you get up. And I thank God that my father
36:30
Speaker 5: continues to get up. So I don't want you to
36:34
Speaker 5: be so hard about sharing that story because.
36:39
Speaker 6: It may sound really harsh.
36:41
Speaker 5: But I went and looked at my sister and I
36:45
Speaker 5: I talk about in the book at nine years old,
36:47
Speaker 5: I'm negotiating my father out of.
36:49
Speaker 6: A crackhouse at nine wow.
36:52
Speaker 5: And it was not a big deal, which is why
36:56
Speaker 5: I wrote about it, because I wanted you to understand
36:59
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if.
37:00
Speaker 6: He's in a crackhouse. I'm going to look for him.
37:03
Speaker 5: I still love him, and I am still going to
37:06
Speaker 5: root for him to be okay. So I don't want
37:10
Speaker 5: you to be so hard on yourself about that, because
37:13
Speaker 5: the more we share these stories and we show the
37:17
Speaker 5: real life stories not just of the parent, but of
37:22
Speaker 5: her child who has gone on onto the bell collecting,
37:26
Speaker 5: who has successes within her own right despite her upbringing,
37:31
Speaker 5: and that is the outcomes we have to continue to share.
37:35
Speaker 5: And I apologize for getting so personal today, but I
37:40
Speaker 5: appreciate you all indulging me, but I mean you spoke
37:44
Speaker 5: to my spirit and I am not a person who generally.
37:49
Speaker 6: Runs from that when it happens.
37:51
Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you share that because it is what
37:54
Speaker 2: you said. Listen.
37:55
Speaker 1: The beauty of rialgy television that I love this is
37:58
Speaker 1: this and the range to know this.
38:01
Speaker 2: I love following real stories because I feel like.
38:03
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody can relate to a person on
38:08
Speaker 1: these shows in their backstory. And like you, like you said,
38:14
Speaker 1: my attention was, this is relatable. You know a a
38:18
Speaker 1: a successful woman who you know, Marie owns.
38:22
Speaker 2: Her own practice.
38:23
Speaker 1: She's a doctor, and she deals with mental health, and
38:26
Speaker 1: she deals with addiction as a mental health provider. And
38:30
Speaker 1: to know that, courtesy of her entering that career, had
38:34
Speaker 1: a lot to do with her mom still battling the addiction.
38:38
Speaker 1: I think that's just something that's relatable. And again, the
38:42
Speaker 1: reason why it sees production is because.
38:45
Speaker 2: I wanted to let.
38:46
Speaker 1: The audience know, like we're gonna follow the journey, but
38:50
Speaker 1: also didn't want it to be a situation where.
38:53
Speaker 2: Possibly possibly her mother.
38:58
Speaker 1: May have enjoyed the attention and maybe the tension of
39:01
Speaker 1: the cameras resolved in some dangerous things too. So it
39:05
Speaker 1: is a fine line, but we definite want to talk
39:06
Speaker 1: about it. And that's Robert Robert Junior. He talked about
39:11
Speaker 1: he suffered through drug addiction. He talked about it on
39:17
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. He admitted to
39:22
Speaker 1: that and I want to read this verbatim. It terms
39:25
Speaker 1: up the drugs that he was addicted to, because when
39:32
Speaker 1: you hear a story like this is when you do
39:34
Speaker 1: realize that, Listen, you can grow up as a PK.
39:38
Speaker 2: Preacher's kid.
39:39
Speaker 1: You can grow up you know, with with with with
39:42
Speaker 1: parents who have all the resources in the world. It
39:45
Speaker 1: doesn't prevent you from going through going down the road
39:51
Speaker 1: of having an addiction. So Robert Jr. Revealed on the
39:56
Speaker 1: show that he had suicidal IDAH and addition struggles which
40:02
Speaker 1: included the use of heroin, xanax, acid, molly, cocaine, and oxycoccin.
40:11
Speaker 2: His mother, Mary, spoke.
40:14
Speaker 1: Recently about this on September temp a few days after
40:18
Speaker 1: her son got arrested, and said that you know at
40:23
Speaker 1: that time that he is doing as good as he
40:27
Speaker 1: can with his sobriety.
40:30
Speaker 2: She also said that it's his journey and.
40:34
Speaker 1: Explained that she told her son, if you don't make
40:37
Speaker 1: up your mind, then this is all for nothing. And
40:41
Speaker 1: if it just takes a made up mind to do
40:44
Speaker 1: and execute whatever you're trying to do, but you can't
40:47
Speaker 1: do it if your mind's not made up, and she said,
40:50
Speaker 1: I can't make that up for him. She also discussed
40:55
Speaker 1: the fact that she can only push him and encourage
40:58
Speaker 1: him and love him.
41:00
Speaker 2: And that's what she's doing.
41:02
Speaker 1: But he's still on that road and it's a hardcore road.
41:06
Speaker 2: But as a mom, it is tough to watch.
41:10
Speaker 1: So just want to ask a context because of what's
41:13
Speaker 1: going on with him and his decision to document that
41:17
Speaker 1: on the show. And like Judge Tyranny said, addiction is
41:23
Speaker 1: something that they teach you this in AA meetings and
41:28
Speaker 1: in rehab. It literally is one day at a time.
41:31
Speaker 1: This one day at a time. It literally is you
41:33
Speaker 1: can have a great six months and unfortunately, you know
41:38
Speaker 1: one day you can decide that, oh this won't be
41:43
Speaker 1: as bad because I'm recovered for six months.
41:46
Speaker 2: But it is a disease. That's what they teach you
41:49
Speaker 2: in these meetings and AA meetings and rehab.
41:52
Speaker 1: It's a disease and one of the most powerful ways
41:56
Speaker 1: to overcome it is number one God, which is why
41:59
Speaker 1: they they do the serenity prayer in these meetings. But
42:04
Speaker 1: also the reason why they do said one day at
42:06
Speaker 1: a time is because it's a struggle to proceed every
42:12
Speaker 1: day without going back to the bad habit.
42:15
Speaker 5: So and it's also to make sure you don't get overwhelmed, right,
42:20
Speaker 5: is to deal with what is today today. I did
42:24
Speaker 5: not get high. I will worry about tomorrow tomorrow, because
42:28
Speaker 5: when you have addiction behaviors, when you start thinking about
42:32
Speaker 5: the future or tomorrow or next month, then it is
42:36
Speaker 5: overwhelming and it makes you not think about what is
42:41
Speaker 5: it directly in front of you right now. And so
42:45
Speaker 5: I've been in more INA meetings than most addicts because
42:49
Speaker 5: I grew up in them.
42:50
Speaker 4: Right do we think because one of the public scrutiny
42:56
Speaker 4: as of today, as of yesterday when I was doing
42:59
Speaker 4: my search, is how silent Mary has been, even though
43:05
Speaker 4: she gave that statement and said this is his journey.
43:12
Speaker 4: Are we surprised that she's been silent and non vocal
43:19
Speaker 4: now after the second arrest?
43:23
Speaker 2: Well, I think this.
43:24
Speaker 1: I think based on the fact that so the statement
43:27
Speaker 1: that I read from her was September tenth, he played
43:31
Speaker 1: guilty on November twenty six, So she hasn't spoken now
43:35
Speaker 1: since then, at least publicly.
43:36
Speaker 2: They didn't take the reunion for Salt Lake City.
43:41
Speaker 1: I believe it was last week if I'm not mistaken,
43:44
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming she spoke about it on the reunion
43:46
Speaker 1: that's upcoming. But I think my opinion, I think for her,
43:52
Speaker 1: just based on watching the show and what she said
43:54
Speaker 1: in September, I think there's only so much more you
43:58
Speaker 1: can say about the fact that is his journey, and
44:02
Speaker 1: as a mom, she's trying her best. Yeah, And I
44:05
Speaker 1: just think she's she's she's doing her best, trying to
44:08
Speaker 1: be there for him. But the idea that her son
44:11
Speaker 1: is sitting in jail till February third.
44:16
Speaker 5: And to ask my own question, why does she need
44:19
Speaker 5: to say something? Why does she owe that to anyone?
44:23
Speaker 5: This is a private matter for her, It is not
44:25
Speaker 5: a criminal matter for her.
44:26
Speaker 6: This is her child.
44:27
Speaker 5: This is very personal and private, and she is doing
44:30
Speaker 5: her best to help him get through that. So why
44:33
Speaker 5: would it be necessary. Why is there an expectation for
44:37
Speaker 5: her to say anything?
44:38
Speaker 4: Well, I think, and again, in all fairness, not necessarily
44:42
Speaker 4: that I agree, But I often say to people, when
44:46
Speaker 4: you make yourself public figures by way of anything, you
44:51
Speaker 4: invite people into your lives. We're following your reality there's
44:56
Speaker 4: not necessarily an off switch, which I as a producer,
45:00
Speaker 4: I feel is not necessarily fair. But when you sign
45:04
Speaker 4: up to be on reality TV and you're exposing your
45:10
Speaker 4: life that comes with the good the bad. We want
45:13
Speaker 4: to know everything about you because that's why we fell
45:16
Speaker 4: in love with you. We follow you, and we feel
45:20
Speaker 4: entitled as audience members. We feel entitled to our opinions.
45:26
Speaker 4: We feel entitled to It's I'm always fascinated by people
45:31
Speaker 4: who blow.
45:31
Speaker 3: Up, you run to the internet, you do all.
45:35
Speaker 4: This stuff on TV, and then you ask us to
45:38
Speaker 4: respect your privacy during this matter. Oh heck no, we're
45:41
Speaker 4: not respecting anything. We want to know what you know
45:44
Speaker 4: because you have fed the beast, and now the beast
45:48
Speaker 4: is hungry for everything. Now again, I'm speaking for a
45:53
Speaker 4: volume because when I'm asked that question as a producer,
45:57
Speaker 4: my humanity is like this. This is why I probably
46:01
Speaker 4: couldn't do reality TV, because there is really no off button,
46:05
Speaker 4: especially if you're as popular of a personality as Mary
46:10
Speaker 4: is to this franchise, like every part of her life
46:15
Speaker 4: has been on display, particularly when TLC is doing a
46:19
Speaker 4: whole special and expose on this cult church that they're
46:24
Speaker 4: alleging this weird behavior, you marrying your step grandfather, like
46:30
Speaker 4: all of that sets you up for us to want
46:33
Speaker 4: to know more. So to your point, Judge T Yes,
46:40
Speaker 4: as we're audience members and rain drops that are watching it,
46:45
Speaker 4: the best thing that we can say, and you set
46:48
Speaker 4: this in Portie in our Portsie episode, is for us
46:53
Speaker 4: as audience members, us as journalists and us as producers
46:58
Speaker 4: to kind of step back and remember the humanity of
47:03
Speaker 4: these people and have some empathy and.
47:07
Speaker 3: Have some grace.
47:10
Speaker 5: And I will just say, as a public figure who
47:13
Speaker 5: deals with her own scrutiny, who has for many years,
47:19
Speaker 5: and again as a mother, I do believe that within boundaries,
47:28
Speaker 5: I am fair gain I do not believe that applies
47:33
Speaker 5: to my children. And so I am just saying that
47:38
Speaker 5: we all have limitations in boundaries. And if I have
47:43
Speaker 5: given you so much, you just gave me. She shared
47:48
Speaker 5: everything that clearly she's okay with sharing, but the one
47:54
Speaker 5: time that she does ask for some privacy, it seems
47:59
Speaker 5: like that we should expect a boundary and a limitation
48:02
Speaker 5: when it comes to someone's child, because no matter how
48:06
Speaker 5: old you are, you are always my baby.
48:11
Speaker 6: And that hits differently, got it?
48:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah know, so listen, we will take that we
48:19
Speaker 1: have more of a counseling session today.
48:22
Speaker 2: No, I was good.
48:24
Speaker 1: The thing is this, I'm glad we decided to touch
48:27
Speaker 1: on this, you know, like Courty says, she's want to
48:30
Speaker 1: talk about this for a minute. And obviously I'm very
48:34
Speaker 1: sensitive to what's happening with Robert Jr. And Mary and
48:41
Speaker 1: just what's going on. Courtney's right. Obviously Mary has decided to.
48:46
Speaker 2: Be a public figure.
48:47
Speaker 1: What comes with that, you know, is the expectation of
48:53
Speaker 1: talking about it.
48:54
Speaker 2: But I'm happy that we all not that I was
48:57
Speaker 2: worried about it, but that.
48:58
Speaker 1: We all follow this with such Greace, just based on
49:02
Speaker 1: the sensitivity surrounding a mother and son. And look, it's
49:09
Speaker 1: one thing if Mary's dealing with of court case, I
49:14
Speaker 1: think all bests are off. I think it's her son
49:17
Speaker 1: that makes it very sensitive to discuss.
49:21
Speaker 2: But I love the way we handle it and how
49:22
Speaker 2: we apply our.
49:25
Speaker 1: Varied personal journey dealing with this topic to really shed
49:30
Speaker 1: light on it.
49:30
Speaker 2: So rain drops.
49:32
Speaker 1: The Sentus single schedule for February third, twenty twenty six,
49:37
Speaker 1: So best believe we will follow that and circle back
49:41
Speaker 1: with the latest update.
49:44
Speaker 2: All Right, Courtney, it does Taranny Reality Crime Story. You'll
49:48
Speaker 2: catch us again on the next one.
49:50
Speaker 6: Courtney, you look so beautiful. Can I just say.
49:55
Speaker 2: Thank you?
49:57
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
49:58
Speaker 4: Thank you.
49:59
Speaker 2: She he does all ray drops. Love you guys. We'll
50:02
Speaker 2: see the next one.
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Speaker 6: Bye bye.
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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
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Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.
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Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.
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Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at
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Speaker 1: the Carlos King Underscore