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The Kenny Report | 27 April · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thanks for Ross and welcome to another week here on
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Speaker 1: the Kenny Report Tonight. The vile hatred of US political
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Speaker 1: debate and how help and how it helps to create
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Speaker 1: the toxic environment that leads to political violence in the
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Speaker 1: wake of the latest assassination attempt against Donald Trump. I'll
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Speaker 1: cross to Christen Tate in the US. In Australia, the
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Speaker 1: hateful booing that mart Anzac day, I'll speak with Ray
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Speaker 1: Mincon who was booed during his acknowledgment of country at
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Speaker 1: Sydney's dawn Service. The renewable energy boondoggle that's set to
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Speaker 1: cost you more than forty billion dollars plus send it's
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Speaker 1: a clear chandler on our debt time bomb. Sophie Ellsworth
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Speaker 1: in London, the latest on the Middle East, and Jemma
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Speaker 1: and Caroline on ISIS families heading to Australia. Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 1: Nothing underpins the democracy more than civil disagreement. We disagree
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Speaker 1: you and me, anyone with anyone. We can hold different views,
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Speaker 1: even wildly divergent views, debate them, try to convince people.
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Speaker 1: But we shouldn't attack our opponents or demonize them, and
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Speaker 1: certainly not threaten harm or kill them. That's just so obvious,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's so fundamental, but it's being lost. Listen
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Speaker 1: to how the left of politics and media have thrown
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Speaker 1: these rules out of the window when it comes to
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Speaker 1: us President Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: If you had to be stuck in an elevator with
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Speaker 2: either President Trump, Mike Pans or Jeff Sessions, who would
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Speaker 2: it be?
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Speaker 3: Does one of us have to come out of live?
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Speaker 4: I said no, I said, if we're in high school,
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Speaker 4: I'd take you behind the gym and beat the hell up.
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Speaker 2: I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings called
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Speaker 2: of the country.
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Speaker 5: Maybe there will be.
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Speaker 2: That you cannot be civil with a political party that
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Speaker 2: wants to destroy what.
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Speaker 6: You stand for, what you care about.
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Speaker 7: Enemies of the state. Yes, I have thought an awful
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Speaker 7: lot about blowing up your White House.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's so blatantly stupid. He's a punk, he's
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Speaker 4: a dog, he's a pig, he's a KHN a bullet artist.
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Speaker 4: I'd like to punch him in the face.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've demonized him and used violent rehtoric for years.
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Speaker 1: This has consequences. If we agree that politics is overheated
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Speaker 1: and to polarize. Then this is why the whole strategy
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Speaker 1: of the Democrats has been to attack Trump, run conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theories against him, trigger investigations, try to have him charged, prosecuted,
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Speaker 1: impeached anything. It's the politics of hatred, trying to destroy
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Speaker 1: an opponent rather than beating them at the ballot box,
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Speaker 1: you know, with ideas and arguments. Trump too, of course,
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Speaker 1: has contributed to this environment, as you know, I'm know Trump.
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Speaker 1: His rehetoric has often been hateful and sometimes violent, but
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Speaker 1: in the main, the politics of the past decade or
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Speaker 1: so has been about the progressive left and the media
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Speaker 1: demonizing Trump. And he's now been subjected to three assassination attempts,
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Speaker 1: one in Butler, Pennsylvania, two years ago, going very close
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Speaker 1: to ending his life, and of course it killed an
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Speaker 1: innocent bystander. Months later, a gunman was arrested while hiding
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Speaker 1: in wait on a Florida golf course, and there have
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Speaker 1: been other plots and threats, including from Iran and now
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Speaker 1: the latest shocking attempt with a gunman running into the
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Speaker 1: White House. Correspondent's dinner attended by people of all political allegiances,
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Speaker 1: including many who often demonized Trump. And this was just terrible.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen to Erica Kirk, whose conservative activist husband
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Speaker 1: Charlie was assassinated just in September last year. Now she
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Speaker 1: was evacuated from this attempted abomination. Yeah, what a shocking
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Speaker 1: episode inside the same hotel where forty five years ago
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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan was shot as he was leaving after delivering
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Speaker 1: a speech. Reagan survived. Of course, there is no doubt
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Speaker 1: that political violence is on the rise in the US.
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Speaker 1: Apart from the Kirk assassination and violent political protest, there
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Speaker 1: was the assassination of Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson less than
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Speaker 1: two years ago. The threats and a tempted violence against
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Speaker 1: this president is unprecedented, as is the bile coming from
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Speaker 1: the political left and Hollywood.
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Speaker 3: When it was the last time an actor assassinated a president.
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Speaker 3: They're still going to have to go out and put
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Speaker 3: a bullet in Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: And that's a fact.
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Speaker 6: Look as his character is stout to death.
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Speaker 9: Where is John Wilk's booth when you need him?
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Speaker 8: Our first lady, Milania is here.
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Speaker 10: Look at more so, beautiful missus Trump, you have a
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Speaker 10: glow like an expectant widow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Jimmy Kimmel just days ago, delivered as
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Speaker 1: a mock preview of that actual White House correspondence event
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Speaker 1: where a self declared friendly federal assassin stormed in with
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Speaker 1: guns and knives. The accused gunman is in custody. His
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Speaker 1: name is Cole Allen, and he was motivated clearly by
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Speaker 1: antipathy towards Trump and his administration. In a manifesto sent
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Speaker 1: to family members before the attack, the manifesto said, I
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Speaker 1: am a citizen of the United States of America. What
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Speaker 1: my representatives do reflects on me. Allan said he was
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Speaker 1: targeting administrating administration officials from the highest ranking to the lowest. Thankfully,
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Speaker 1: no one was killed. One police officer was injured. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: despite the previous attacks, the toxic nature of US politics
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Speaker 1: hasn't called, so we probably need to brace ourselves for
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Speaker 1: this getting worse before it improves. The prime responsibility always
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Speaker 1: lies with the perpetrators, of course, but everyone in political discourse,
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Speaker 1: including politicians, journalists, and commentators, needs to accept responsibility for
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Speaker 1: the climate of hatred that they've created. Trump was elected,
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Speaker 1: deal with it. The need for civil disagreement relates directly
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Speaker 1: to the controversy here about booing at Anzac Day dawn services.
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Speaker 1: And yes, you've got a right to boom, of course
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Speaker 1: you have. That's freedom. But I've got a right to
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Speaker 1: say it was disgusting and disrespectful, disrespectful to everyone there
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Speaker 1: and the ANZACs and the others that we honor on
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Speaker 1: that special day. It's astonishing that people could stoop so low.
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Speaker 11: For thousands of years, people have gathered in this place
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Speaker 11: to share stories, to celebrate culture and to remember our ancestors.
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Speaker 3: I'm here to welcome everybody to my father's country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah courageous, aren't they booing in the dark, unaccountable for
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Speaker 1: their disrespect. In Sydney police took some action.
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Speaker 2: A twenty four year old man was charged with committing
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Speaker 2: a New Sinsider War memorial.
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Speaker 1: But this isn't a matter for law enforcement. It's a
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Speaker 1: matter of respect for others and respect for Anzac Day.
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Speaker 1: In Melbourne later in the day, with more than ninety
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Speaker 1: thousand at the g no doubt many didn't like the
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Speaker 1: welcomed to country, but they all showed respect.
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Speaker 5: I'd like to start wrote knowledge in that this afternoon
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Speaker 5: we are mating on the lands of my ancestors.
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Speaker 1: The Warrantjery people. So woman, Jack, are welcome, enjoy the game,
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Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, the power of silence, and then warm
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Speaker 1: applause from ninety thousand people. I was at the Bondi
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Speaker 1: Dawn service on Saturday. It was solemn and beautiful as ever,
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Speaker 1: and with over ten thousand people there, some, no doubt,
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Speaker 1: would oppose indigenous references, but both the MC and the
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Speaker 1: Governor General recognize the traditional owners and there was no boeing,
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Speaker 1: no booing. There was no dissent, there was no disrespect,
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Speaker 1: just unity. Unity in honoring our country, unity in honoring
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Speaker 1: the ANZACs and their tradition. I'm sorry, but it's not
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Speaker 1: good enough to say I disagree with the booing. But
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Speaker 1: you don't get to say I respect Anzac Day. But
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Speaker 1: when you do that, you're excusing the scumbags. You're encouraging
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Speaker 1: more booing. You'll only foment more hatred and division. There
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Speaker 1: are a few words that conservatives like to own, words
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Speaker 1: that conservatives should own, words like freedom, thrift, choice, But
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Speaker 1: conservatives also need to own respect. Respect is crucial on
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Speaker 1: so many issues, including this one. Respect is the key.
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Speaker 1: Some other big news got overshadowed on the weekend. For years,
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Speaker 1: I've slammed the Snowy Hydro two point zero project, as
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Speaker 1: you know, because it's a waste of taxpayers money. It
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Speaker 1: was announced by Malcolm Turnbull when he was Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: It was an attempt to boost the renewable energy pipe dream.
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Speaker 1: It was always going to be a costly boondoggle that
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Speaker 1: Turnbull wanted a place in history.
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Speaker 2: I am a nation building prime minister, believe me, and
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Speaker 2: this is a nation building project. These are big dreams
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Speaker 2: in these mountains, real courage, a belief in the future,
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Speaker 2: a confidence in Australia.
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Speaker 1: And we all thought they banned Marlboro ads on TV
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Speaker 1: years ago. Anyway, I've kept you up to date on
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Speaker 1: the delays, the equipment failures and the cost blowouts in
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Speaker 1: this project that were supposed to cost two billion dollars
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Speaker 1: and be operating five years ago as a giant renewable
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Speaker 1: electricity battery. We've had experts telling us the final cost
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Speaker 1: would be upwards of twenty billion dollars. But now the
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Speaker 1: news gets even worse. A new report in The Australian
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Speaker 1: newspaper revealed the scheme will cost twenty one times the
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Speaker 1: original promise, coming in at forty two billion dollars. The
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Speaker 1: true cost of Snowy Hydro two point zero has spiraled
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Speaker 1: to forty two billion and should be the subject of
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Speaker 1: a Royal commission into one of the biggest disasters in
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Speaker 1: Australian infrastructure. Economists Bruce Mountain and Energy executive Ted Woodley
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Speaker 1: told The Australian there analysis includes a tenfold increase in
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Speaker 1: the cost of the actual project, plus eight billion dollars
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Speaker 1: in extra interest costs and twelve billion dollars for transmission
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Speaker 1: lines to connect snow two points to the grid. Kind
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Speaker 1: of essential. This was a coalition project, to be sure,
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Speaker 1: it was a Turnbull green dream, but Labour keeps throwing
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Speaker 1: good money after bad because like Turnbull, they believe in
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Speaker 1: appeasing the United Nations rather than focusing on our electricity
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Speaker 1: supply and costs. We all pay the price. Another alarming
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Speaker 1: report from The Australian revealed the Iranian Embassy is still
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Speaker 1: playing a nefarious role in communicating with Iranians here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: The report says that Iran has been recruiting Australian martyrs.
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Speaker 1: The Iranian Embassy in Canberra has scrubbed social media posts
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Speaker 1: recruiting Australians for Martyrdom, a campaign instructing loyalists to register
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Speaker 1: through a state run digital portal to pledge their support
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Speaker 1: and funnel money to Tehran for a sacred cause. Muhammad
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Speaker 1: Alpharez in the OS A cryptic telegram message shared by
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Speaker 1: the embassy last week urged participation in a jan Fada
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Speaker 1: or martyr martyrdom campaign, raising fresh questions about the activities
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Speaker 1: of Iran's diplomatic mission in Australia following the near collapse
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Speaker 1: of formal relations between the two countries. Jan Fada is
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Speaker 1: a potent Persian term referring to self sacrifice and is
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Speaker 1: closely associated with the concept of martyrdom in Iran. Multiple
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Speaker 1: sources have confirmed to The Australian it is used to
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Speaker 1: describe people willing to lay down their lives for the regime,
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Speaker 1: often in devotion to defending Iran's sovereignty against threats. This
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Speaker 1: is deeply worrying stuff, isn't it, In the wake of
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Speaker 1: the Bondai Islamist terrorist attack. It comes after Iran and
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Speaker 1: its revolutionary guards were blamed for the Adas Synagogue fire
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Speaker 1: bombing in Melbourne and other any Semitic attacks here in Australia.
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Speaker 12: In Bahran, director at least two of the attacks on
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Speaker 12: Jewish interests. The Iranian regime used a complex web of
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Speaker 12: cutouts to hide its involvement.
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Speaker 1: In the wake of those attacks and those investigations, the
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Speaker 1: Iranian ambassador and three other diplomats were expelled from our
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Speaker 1: country in August last year. But that raises the question,
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Speaker 1: what was the point of expelling the ambassador If the
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Speaker 1: embassy is still operating here without him, and especially if
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Speaker 1: it's getting involved in activities that could do harm to
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Speaker 1: Australia and Australians. It just doesn't make sense, does it.
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Speaker 1: We've asked for a response from Foreign Minister Pennywong and
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Speaker 1: from the Department of Foreign Affairs. It's understood the Department
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Speaker 1: has raised the issue with the embassy and it supports
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Speaker 1: the embassy staying open as a channel for Australian diplomatic
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Speaker 1: interests and to provide support to Iranians in Australia. Will
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Speaker 1: bring you more on this. Let's bring in Pastor Ray Minicon,
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Speaker 1: who was booed while delivering the Welcome to Country at
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Speaker 1: Sydney's Martin Place on Anzac Dame. Ray, thanks for joining
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Speaker 1: us first up. Look, you would have delivered so many
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Speaker 1: acknowledgments of country and welcomes to country. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: had a response like this before? No, I haven't, Chris.
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Speaker 8: It was the thing that I think challenged everybody was
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Speaker 8: the fact that it happened at a sacred site.
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Speaker 1: I mean that.
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Speaker 8: Cenotaph there in Martin Place. It's a sacred place, and
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Speaker 8: on a sacred day, at a sacred time, when we're
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Speaker 8: all acknowledging all those incredible soldiers, men and women, brothers
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Speaker 8: and sisters who had sacrificed all for this country here
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Speaker 8: to actually desecrate their names and their servants, to me
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Speaker 8: was the was just despicable.
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Speaker 1: Ray. Given that this happened in Melbourne and Sydney and Perth,
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Speaker 1: I understand on the same morning in the same way,
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Speaker 1: does it seem to you like an organized campaign against
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Speaker 1: to welcome the country at this event.
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Speaker 8: That's what I've heard, It was an organized event. I mean,
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Speaker 8: I don't try to find out who did it, or
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Speaker 8: any of those natures where they're just to do one
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Speaker 8: particular thing forever.
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Speaker 1: It looks like we've lost to Ray minicon there. I
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Speaker 1: could see him pressing those buttons on his computer. He
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Speaker 1: may well have pressed the wrong one. We don't know
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Speaker 1: he's dropped out. We'll see if we're getting back in
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Speaker 1: a moment. And what I want to do now is
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Speaker 1: go to Clear Chandler, who's the shadow Finance minister. She
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Speaker 1: joins us from Tasmania. Good to speak to it, she
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Speaker 1: joins us to joins us from Canberra, of course said
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Speaker 1: it's a good to talk to you. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: get on to Finance in a moment. But just stuff
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Speaker 1: coming off the back of this issue about the booing
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Speaker 1: of Anzac Day. At Anzac Day. We understand, of course
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Speaker 1: that welcomes to country are overdone in some circumstances. We've
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Speaker 1: talked about those issues a lot on this program over
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Speaker 1: many years. But this surely the booing of this part
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Speaker 1: of the ceremony on Anzac Days about as low as
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Speaker 1: you can go in this country, isn't it. Anzac Day
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Speaker 1: is supposed to be sacred to all of us.
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Speaker 13: I think that's right, Chris. And the point that you
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Speaker 13: made in your opening comments this evening around free speech
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Speaker 13: is a really important one. Yes, Australians free to say
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Speaker 13: and do as they please. But likewise I'm free to
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Speaker 13: come on here on your program tonight and say I
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Speaker 13: think it was pretty disgraceful that people thought it was
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Speaker 13: appropriate to boo during an Anzac Day service, whatever the
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Speaker 13: reason was. Now, yes, I think we can all agree
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Speaker 13: that welcome to country are overdone and they are becoming
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Speaker 13: devalued because they are overdone. But if you go to
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Speaker 13: a if you go to an Anzac Day service and
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Speaker 13: you aren't happy about the welcome to country that might
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Speaker 13: have been given, all Australians have plenty of other opportunities
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Speaker 13: to make their opinions about that. Heard, I think it's
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Speaker 13: pretty inappropriate for them to be booing during those services.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have that debate in myriad other forms
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Speaker 1: and times and places, and there is a lot to
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Speaker 1: be said for the way this invades all sorts of
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Speaker 1: school and work functions. But to be honest, when it
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Speaker 1: comes to ANZAC Day, which is a day apart from
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Speaker 1: honoring our service personnel and those who have laid down
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Speaker 1: their lives, we honor what they sacrifice that for, and
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Speaker 1: that is Australia. So it's very much a day for
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Speaker 1: honoring Australia, and of course our indigenous heritage is a
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Speaker 1: part of that. I couldn't think of a more important
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Speaker 1: national day and therefore an appropriate level of Indigenous recognition.
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Speaker 1: Exactly right.
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Speaker 13: It should be a day when all Australians can come
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Speaker 13: together and pay our respects to those very brave men
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Speaker 13: and women who have fought for our country and often
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Speaker 13: in some cases have died for our country. And to
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Speaker 13: see booing at ANZAC day services, I think really devalued
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Speaker 13: what that means sure does.
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Speaker 1: Let me get you on another controversial issue, and that
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Speaker 1: is the Isis families who have been in the waiting
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Speaker 1: in the wings for some time. There was a move
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Speaker 1: a few months ago for them to get to Australia.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't get here. Now it's believed that they are
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Speaker 1: in Damascus with tickets to Australia. What should happen when
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Speaker 1: they arrive at our airports.
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Speaker 13: It's pretty concerning, isn't it, Christian? And like you say,
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Speaker 13: we know that this has been in the pipeline for
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Speaker 13: some time because these individuals have been provided with passports
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Speaker 13: to return to Australia. But if indeed the reports are
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Speaker 13: true that they are truly on their way back home here,
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Speaker 13: that they have plane tickets, look like you say, I
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Speaker 13: would hope that at the very the government is putting
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Speaker 13: in place, all of the risk assessments and all of
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Speaker 13: the necessary controls and measures that it needs to have
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Speaker 13: in place to make sure that our community is kept
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Speaker 13: safe now. Sadly, because we have seen time and time
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Speaker 13: again the Australian government failed to be upfront with our
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Speaker 13: community about the risk that these individuals pose. I'm not
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Speaker 13: convinced that they have done that. It is certainly something
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Speaker 13: that we and the Coalition will be asking questions about
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Speaker 13: in the coming days and weeks ahead, because Australians deserve
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Speaker 13: to be safe in their own community, and I think
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Speaker 13: there are some serious questions raised about whether that community
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Speaker 13: safety can be guaranteed if these individuals return to our shores.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be surprising if they're not. There's not
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Speaker 1: the possibility of criminal charges against the least some of them,
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Speaker 1: given the fact that ISIS was a prescribed terrorist group
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Speaker 1: remains so, and those zones were described were prescribed as
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Speaker 1: terrorist areas that Australians were breaking the law of they
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Speaker 1: went to visit them. So we shall see. Let's get
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Speaker 1: back to your portfolio and debt. We're going to focus
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Speaker 1: increasingly on the economy in the lead up to the budget.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the reports last week that
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Speaker 1: tell us that the trillion dollar debt mark which we
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Speaker 1: were about to cross as a nation for the first time,
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Speaker 1: won't actually be the ceiling of our net debt. The
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Speaker 1: net debt's going to continue to grow for another few
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Speaker 1: years that had been originally forecast.
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Speaker 13: It's a pretty scary statistic when you put it that way, Chris,
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Speaker 13: And when I talk to young Australians, I think there
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Speaker 13: is a growing awareness of just how much debt government
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Speaker 13: has got us into and how long it is going
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Speaker 13: to take us all to repay that debt. And the
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Speaker 13: reality is that unless government spending can get under control,
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Speaker 13: it is Australians my age, Australians younger than me who
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Speaker 13: will end up paying the price for that debt in
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Speaker 13: higher taxes. Now, Jim Chalmers has talked a pretty big
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Speaker 13: game when it comes to reducing government spending in the
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Speaker 13: lead into this budget, and we know that with the
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Speaker 13: NDIS announcements last week that that will be an element
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Speaker 13: of the budget where spending will be somewhat rained in.
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Speaker 13: But that's not the only lever that Anthony Albanesi and
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Speaker 13: his cabinet ministers have to pull here. I would hope
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Speaker 13: that Jim Chalmers and Katie Gallaher are sitting around the
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Speaker 13: Expenditure Review Committee table instructing ministers to find savings within
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Speaker 13: their departments so that all elements of government are doing
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Speaker 13: their job and trying to get that spending under control.
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Speaker 13: But the reality is their budgets up until now do
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Speaker 13: not suggest that this work has been happening. And nothing
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Speaker 13: that I'm seeing out of the backgrounding and dropping to
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Speaker 13: the media of what we can expect to see in
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Speaker 13: the budget, none of that suggests that this work has
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Speaker 13: happened in the lead up to this budget as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll keep focusing on this. Thanks for joining us
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Speaker 1: during a Senator that Senator Clear Chandler, who's the shadow
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Speaker 1: finance minister. One of the things they should do for
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Speaker 1: a starters put a cap on public service appointments, of
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Speaker 1: freeze on public service numbers. Let me go back to
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Speaker 1: Ray Minicon Now, Pastor Ray minicon is managed to get
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Speaker 1: that connection back up to us. We were talking about
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Speaker 1: what happened on Saturday morning in Martin Place. Ray, tell
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Speaker 1: me about this. I think that welcomes to country and
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Speaker 1: acknowledgments of country can be overdone. Some people inject them
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Speaker 1: into the start of every zoom meeting or any school
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Speaker 1: council meeting and the like. We've all seen that sort
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Speaker 1: of stuff, But I would have thought the Indigenous part
23:23
Speaker 1: of our history is worth recognizing on Anzac Day. This
23:26
Speaker 1: is part of the story of the country that our
23:29
Speaker 1: ANZACs have helped to defend, have defended.
23:32
Speaker 8: I totally agree, Chris, and where we were just a board,
23:39
Speaker 8: you know, all across the country. A lot of our
23:42
Speaker 8: young Indigenous people there have complained and rang me.
23:46
Speaker 4: They were angry.
23:48
Speaker 8: About what would happen on this particular day, at this
23:50
Speaker 8: particular time to desecrate that very very sacred space as
23:55
Speaker 8: well as that very very sacred day.
23:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, what do you say to the criticism
24:00
Speaker 1: from those who don't like it that somehow this takes
24:03
Speaker 1: away the reverence and devotion to the ANZACs and to
24:08
Speaker 1: service personnel.
24:10
Speaker 8: It doesn't take away. I mean, the RSL has on
24:13
Speaker 8: their website there that at all of these ceremonies there
24:18
Speaker 8: is an acknowledgment of country. They've already written that into
24:21
Speaker 8: their policy. And on the day it was the RSL
24:25
Speaker 8: president here in Sydney who was just so angry that
24:30
Speaker 8: these people would disturb that particular sacred moment by this
24:34
Speaker 8: particular action, and for me, all I was telling them
24:39
Speaker 8: about my grandfather who fought in World War One in
24:41
Speaker 8: the Light Horse, the eleventh Light Horse, my two brothers
24:44
Speaker 8: who fought in this country over in Vierna, and myself.
24:48
Speaker 8: I didn't serve overseas, but I was prepared and I
24:51
Speaker 8: joined in that era at the CMAT, the citizen Military Course,
24:55
Speaker 8: the fifty first Battalion, and I was preparing myself to go.
24:59
Speaker 8: But but my mother went to the but says, look,
25:02
Speaker 8: I've got two brothers over there, Now I don't I
25:05
Speaker 8: don't want to send another one of my sons. Ob
25:07
Speaker 8: So I missed out on the fall up to Vietnam.
25:12
Speaker 8: But I was prepared to go. And I think a
25:13
Speaker 8: lot of young Aboriginal people are prepared to fight for
25:16
Speaker 8: this country and defenders well.
25:17
Speaker 1: Ray, as you point out, your ancestors and other Aboriginal
25:20
Speaker 1: people fought for this country before they had land rights
25:24
Speaker 1: here or or range of other rights in this country.
25:26
Speaker 1: And we wouldn't want to forget that. Thanks for joining us,
25:28
Speaker 1: rayin thank you for your service. No, thank you. Now
25:32
Speaker 1: we've got to get to a break on the other
25:33
Speaker 1: side of that We're going to check in on the
25:34
Speaker 1: Middle East of these peace talks going to get back
25:36
Speaker 1: on track. Michael Schubridge will give us the latest analysis.
25:45
Speaker 1: Iran's foreign minister has returned to Pakistan as negotiators in
25:49
Speaker 1: Islambabad attempt to salvage peace talks with the US. Donald
25:53
Speaker 1: Trump says the talks will have to happen by phone
25:56
Speaker 1: after Iran refused to meet with the US negotiators directly.
26:00
Speaker 1: Here's Donald Trump.
26:01
Speaker 6: We're going to do it by telephone. So if they want,
26:04
Speaker 6: they can call us. But again they know what has
26:07
Speaker 6: to be in the agreement, very simple. They cannot have
26:09
Speaker 6: a nuclear app and otherwise there's no reason to meet.
26:13
Speaker 1: Let's go to Michael Schubridge from Strategic Analysis Australia. Good
26:16
Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Michael. Can there ever be
26:18
Speaker 1: agreement on this point? Can you realistically expect Iran to
26:23
Speaker 1: ever forego their nuclear weapons program? Chris.
26:28
Speaker 12: I don't think they will, but there could be something
26:32
Speaker 12: between that and just continuing. Maybe they'll agree to a
26:37
Speaker 12: multi year freeze to the program because frankly, they've got
26:40
Speaker 12: to rebuild a whole lot of stuff before they do
26:42
Speaker 12: anything much more. Maybe we're not going to see a
26:46
Speaker 12: giant Iran US peace deal, but a series of interim
26:50
Speaker 12: deals like open the straits, remove the blockade, freeze the
26:54
Speaker 12: nuclear program for a number of years, and let's keep talking.
26:58
Speaker 1: But the bottom line from America's point of view and
27:01
Speaker 1: from Israel's, and then for really the future of the
27:04
Speaker 1: Western global security is that having come this far with
27:07
Speaker 1: last year's attacks and this war, to leave any possibility
27:12
Speaker 1: of Iranian nuclear armaments would be an absolute failure, wouldn't it.
27:16
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be prevented.
27:21
Speaker 12: Well, this is the problem that President Trump has because
27:24
Speaker 12: he started this war with pretty unclear aims. But it's
27:28
Speaker 12: hard to see him ending the war successfully without getting
27:32
Speaker 12: a major win on Iran's nuclear program or around support
27:37
Speaker 12: to proxies, and both things look unlikely. So I think
27:42
Speaker 12: we can hear signals where the Americans are sort of
27:45
Speaker 12: talking like times on their hands, you know, pick up
27:47
Speaker 12: the phone if you want to talk. The Iranian foreign
27:49
Speaker 12: minister is actually off to Moscow now to say, well,
27:51
Speaker 12: I've got options, We've got the Russian partner. They're both
27:55
Speaker 12: wanting to say we're not in a hurry, and that
27:57
Speaker 12: to me means the prospects of one big dear look
28:00
Speaker 12: pretty dim.
28:01
Speaker 1: It also presumably means the prospects of another attack, another
28:06
Speaker 1: military attack on the Iranian infrastructure would be imminent.
28:14
Speaker 12: Well, the ceasefire between the Israelis, the Americans and the
28:18
Speaker 12: Iranians look shaky. As you're saying, the Americans and Israelis
28:21
Speaker 12: could both return to the attack. The Iranians could lash
28:25
Speaker 12: out at those forces or at the Gulf States. And
28:27
Speaker 12: of course there's the linked part of the conflict, the
28:30
Speaker 12: Lebanon Israel War, where both Hezbola and Israel are fighting
28:36
Speaker 12: despite saying there's a ceasefire, So there's a lot that
28:39
Speaker 12: can go wrong, while both parties say times on our side, yeah,
28:45
Speaker 12: we shall see.
28:45
Speaker 1: Just bringing it back to home, we want to get
28:47
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the government's announcements about one zero point
28:51
Speaker 1: two billion dollars for new bush Masters.
28:57
Speaker 12: This is a good thing to see local production being maintained.
29:01
Speaker 12: That factory down in Bendigo produces excellent military vehicles, the
29:05
Speaker 12: Hawkkey and the Bushmaster. It'd be great to see those
29:09
Speaker 12: bush Masters being updated with remote weapons stations that are
29:13
Speaker 12: optimized for counter drone work. That seems to be the
29:17
Speaker 12: missing link, but it's good to see some actual local
29:20
Speaker 12: defense production. There should be more of it.
29:22
Speaker 1: Here's the Defense Minister on this announcement.
29:26
Speaker 2: The bush Master is the very best protected mobile vehicle
29:32
Speaker 2: for armies anywhere in the world.
29:35
Speaker 1: It saves lives there we go, So you'd like to
29:40
Speaker 1: see it updated with the drone defense systems. This is
29:45
Speaker 1: the future of warfare, isn't it. There's been that big
29:47
Speaker 1: announcement about more drone drones for Australia. You and others
29:50
Speaker 1: have been calling for that for years. But with that
29:53
Speaker 1: comes with that capability of drones, you've got to have
29:56
Speaker 1: the defense systems for them as well well.
30:00
Speaker 12: Exactly so the Bushmaster is good to protect the personnel
30:04
Speaker 12: inside from mines and IEDs, still needs to do that,
30:08
Speaker 12: but it now needs to add effective counter drone defenses.
30:11
Speaker 12: For all the government's flimflam and talk, the contracts are
30:15
Speaker 12: not flowing to Australian companies for those systems. The last
30:18
Speaker 12: obvious thing is, if we're building a whole lot more
30:20
Speaker 12: bush Masters, why isn't the government sending more of them
30:23
Speaker 12: to Ukraine They could really use them.
30:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good point. Thanks for joining us, Michael, appreciate it.
30:29
Speaker 1: Michael Schudbridge there from Strategic Analysis Australia. We're going to
30:33
Speaker 1: get to a break on the other side, in the
30:34
Speaker 1: wake of the assassination attempt against Donald Trump across to
30:38
Speaker 1: Kristin Tate. We'll here from Kristen Tate in the US
30:47
Speaker 1: in just a moment, because after a third assassination attempt,
30:50
Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump has talked down the rise of
30:53
Speaker 1: political violence.
30:55
Speaker 9: People are assassinated, people are injured, and I'm not sure
31:02
Speaker 9: that it's any more now than there was. I do
31:04
Speaker 9: think that the hate speech of the Democrats much more so,
31:08
Speaker 9: is very dangerous. I really think it's very dangerous of
31:10
Speaker 9: the country.
31:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Trump talks down the political violence. We've seen
31:15
Speaker 1: three attempts on his life, the assassination of Charlie Kirk
31:17
Speaker 1: and of course of bron Thompson, the healthcarec that's just
31:21
Speaker 1: in the past couple of years. As I put to
31:24
Speaker 1: Christian political violence seems to have become commonplace.
31:28
Speaker 14: Yes, it is absolutely true that there is just a
31:32
Speaker 14: culture of violence that has really been exploding on today's left.
31:36
Speaker 14: I would argue since Trump's first election. Let's not forget
31:39
Speaker 14: the night that Trump was elected way back in twenty sixteen.
31:44
Speaker 14: You know, the police indicted more than two hundred riders.
31:48
Speaker 14: There was millions of dollars worth of damage that night.
31:51
Speaker 14: Six cops were injured, and ever since then it has
31:54
Speaker 14: escalated with rhetoric from the Democrats. President Trump is absolutely
31:59
Speaker 14: correct out that, you know, last night was supposed to
32:02
Speaker 14: be such a great night. This is the White House
32:03
Speaker 14: correspondence sinner Trump hadn't actually attended this since twenty fifteen,
32:08
Speaker 14: says to be this kind of lighthearted night where people
32:10
Speaker 14: from the press get together with the President and the
32:13
Speaker 14: administration officials, everyone kind of pokes fun out each other,
32:16
Speaker 14: and the whole thing was just thrown into chaos when
32:19
Speaker 14: this incident happened.
32:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, the President actually spoke very well about that, how
32:23
Speaker 1: this was supposed to be a night for the liberals
32:25
Speaker 1: and Democrats and to mix with Republicans and conservatives. It
32:31
Speaker 1: was that sort of event, that's what it normally is.
32:34
Speaker 1: But let's go back to how it unfolded and listened
32:36
Speaker 1: to the President talk about that.
32:39
Speaker 7: What was your thought at that moment? What did the
32:40
Speaker 7: first lady say?
32:41
Speaker 9: Well, my thought was, you know, I've been through this
32:43
Speaker 9: before a couple of times, and she has not did
32:48
Speaker 9: this extent. She hadled great I mean she was, She's
32:52
Speaker 9: very strong, smart, she got it, she knew what was happening.
32:56
Speaker 9: She listened. I did too, by the way, this was
32:58
Speaker 9: the first time she said yeah when they said that
33:00
Speaker 9: meant a trouble. And obviously I'm the president and I
33:05
Speaker 9: listened to what they said. Please rup down, so please
33:07
Speaker 9: trap down.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a terrible situation for all involved. We've seen
33:12
Speaker 1: many clips of journalists who are in that room not
33:15
Speaker 1: really know what's going on. But my point here is,
33:18
Speaker 1: of course, the only person to blame for what's gone
33:21
Speaker 1: on here is the alleged gunman himself. But the hateful
33:25
Speaker 1: environment of politics, the retoric, the demonization of Donald Trump
33:30
Speaker 1: in particular, has been at fever pitch for a decade,
33:34
Speaker 1: and a lot of the people driving that sort of
33:36
Speaker 1: demonization were in that room, with some of the Democrat
33:39
Speaker 1: commentators and progressive commentators in that room.
33:43
Speaker 14: That's exactly right. I mean, for years we've been told
33:47
Speaker 14: by prominent Democrats, including Joe Biden, the former president, and
33:51
Speaker 14: Kamala Harris, that Trump is like Hitler, that he's a
33:55
Speaker 14: threat to democracy, that he's dangerous. And this is a
33:58
Speaker 14: message that of course is echoed every single day here
34:01
Speaker 14: by the mainstream media. You have the hosts of Morning
34:04
Speaker 14: Joe telling us that Donald Trump is a fascist. Nearly
34:08
Speaker 14: every day, you know, flip through the channels, nearly every
34:11
Speaker 14: channel that's not you know, Fox News will tell you
34:14
Speaker 14: that the president of the United States is a threat
34:17
Speaker 14: to democracy. And when you broadcast that message to everyone
34:21
Speaker 14: in this country, unfortunately there are some radical individuals who
34:25
Speaker 14: will take that rhetoric and it will lead to violence
34:29
Speaker 14: and to action. And that's exactly what happened here and
34:32
Speaker 14: I'm afraid, Chris, that it will happen again. You're right,
34:35
Speaker 14: We've seen so many of these incidents now. Charlie Kirk
34:38
Speaker 14: was assassinated not even a year ago. Trump has had
34:41
Speaker 14: multiple assassination attempts on him. I'm afraid this will continue
34:45
Speaker 14: to happen because the rhetoric is not cooling down. It's
34:49
Speaker 14: just getting worse.
34:50
Speaker 1: You mentioned Charlie Kirk's assassination less than a year ago.
34:54
Speaker 1: If anybody personifies the horror we are going through, it's
34:58
Speaker 1: his widow, Erica Kirk, who was at the event in
35:02
Speaker 1: the Hilton there in Washington. They say, here's a clip
35:04
Speaker 1: of her leaving.
35:07
Speaker 10: I just want to apply.
35:11
Speaker 1: Find out she just wants to go Hime, the Hall
35:15
Speaker 1: KNIGHTE in the Hall world would sympathize with her.
35:17
Speaker 14: Surely, poor woman, She's been through so much. My heart
35:21
Speaker 14: goes out to her and everyone in that room. I mean,
35:23
Speaker 14: that's a terrifying situation to be in. And I want
35:26
Speaker 14: to remind the viewers here this isn't just about Donald Trump, right,
35:30
Speaker 14: this is also about his supporters. That the rhetoric about
35:34
Speaker 14: Trump being hitler also applies to his supporters. And you know,
35:38
Speaker 14: the Left has kind of watched their base evolve into
35:41
Speaker 14: a bunch of angry, violent fools with no real message
35:46
Speaker 14: other than just violence. I mean, my car has personally
35:49
Speaker 14: been vandalized several times back when I had a Trump
35:53
Speaker 14: bumper sticker on it. This happens to everyday people. Not
35:56
Speaker 14: assassination attempts, but just the kind of like violent behavior
36:00
Speaker 14: that's been going on, and it's just getting worse and worse. Yeah,
36:03
Speaker 14: my heart goes out to Erica Kirk and everyone who
36:05
Speaker 14: is in that room.
36:07
Speaker 1: Now, just to emphasize that point, have a look at
36:10
Speaker 1: this interview, where, of course the sixty minutes reporter can't
36:13
Speaker 1: help but highlight the most grotesque, insane criticisms of Trump
36:19
Speaker 1: from the Gunman's Manifesto Have a look.
36:22
Speaker 7: He also wrote this, I'm no longer willing to permit
36:25
Speaker 7: a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with
36:29
Speaker 7: his crimes. What's your reaction.
36:31
Speaker 9: Well, I was waiting for you to read that because
36:33
Speaker 9: I knew you would, because you're horrible people. Horrible people. Yeah,
36:38
Speaker 9: he did write that, I'm not a rapist. I didn't
36:41
Speaker 9: rape anybody.
36:44
Speaker 7: Do you think he was referring to excuse me, I'm.
36:47
Speaker 9: Not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person.
36:51
Speaker 9: You should be ashamed of yourself reading that, because I'm
36:54
Speaker 9: not any of those things.
36:57
Speaker 1: The lesson here, Kristen has to be that in a democracy,
37:01
Speaker 1: when you want to defeat someone, the tactic should be
37:06
Speaker 1: to argue your case and convince people to vote against them,
37:10
Speaker 1: what to vote for your candidate, not to demonize them,
37:13
Speaker 1: not to impeach them, not to imprison them, not to
37:16
Speaker 1: constantly define them.
37:18
Speaker 14: Of course, that what she just said, it was disgusting.
37:22
Speaker 14: Trump was absolutely correct to call her out, and I
37:24
Speaker 14: agree with you, Chris, but I don't think we're going
37:27
Speaker 14: back in the direction of civility. As much as I
37:29
Speaker 14: wish we were. We have become so divided and polarized
37:34
Speaker 14: in this country. We've never been more divided. Friendships, family
37:39
Speaker 14: bonds destroyed over political differences. And this is new. This
37:44
Speaker 14: is something that's really happened just in the last decade.
37:47
Speaker 14: And does Trump's rhetoric contribute to some of the polarization,
37:50
Speaker 14: of course, I'm not denying that, but overall, there does
37:53
Speaker 14: seem to be a much wider trend of this sort
37:57
Speaker 14: of very extreme rhetoric demonizing the other side as almost
38:02
Speaker 14: evil coming from the left, and the media plays a
38:05
Speaker 14: huge part in it. And I'm afraid, you know, if
38:08
Speaker 14: this continues. I'm so terrified of some sort of civil
38:13
Speaker 14: unrest happening in this country because we do need to
38:15
Speaker 14: tone it down, we do need more civility, but that
38:18
Speaker 14: is just not happening, and the media is to blame
38:22
Speaker 14: for this in large.
38:23
Speaker 1: Part, just very very testing, difficult times. Thanks so much
38:27
Speaker 1: for joining us again, Kristen, Thank you very much.
38:30
Speaker 14: Chris.
38:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good thing too that Trump is going
38:32
Speaker 1: to make sure that event is rescheduled. There's not a
38:35
Speaker 1: favorite event. It visits him confronting and sharing a fun
38:39
Speaker 1: night with all these critics in the media, but he
38:41
Speaker 1: wants to make sure it does happen because you don't
38:44
Speaker 1: want to give into that kind of violence. And meanwhile,
38:47
Speaker 1: the English monarch, King Charles and Queen Camilla due to
38:51
Speaker 1: arrive in the US overnight our time, with no plans
38:53
Speaker 1: to cancel this state visit despite the attempted assassination over
38:57
Speaker 1: the weekend. News Cool, you're correspondence News contributor to sophiels
39:01
Speaker 1: With joins us line from London. Good to talk to you,
39:03
Speaker 1: against Sophie, So that's going to change the topic a bit.
39:06
Speaker 1: In DC. There must have been some concern that this
39:10
Speaker 1: visit might be postponed, but not at this stage.
39:15
Speaker 5: They're great to be with you, Chris. Look, I don't
39:17
Speaker 5: think there was ever any doubt that this strip would
39:20
Speaker 5: not go ahead. The King and Trump, as we know,
39:24
Speaker 5: get on very well. This has been locked in four
39:27
Speaker 5: months in the making, and they've had these situations before
39:32
Speaker 5: where there have been attacks towards President Trump, and it
39:35
Speaker 5: would be a real disaster for the monarchy to have
39:39
Speaker 5: to canty a trip over what happened on the weekend.
39:42
Speaker 5: So they are forging ahead with this plan and as
39:45
Speaker 5: we can see here today, Chris on the front of
39:48
Speaker 5: the Daily Mail, the headline saying King keeps calm and
39:52
Speaker 5: carries on, and that exists exactly. The attitude here in
39:55
Speaker 5: London is that he will be traveling from the US
39:58
Speaker 5: today and it will be going ahead as planned with
40:00
Speaker 5: some tweaks to the schedule.
40:03
Speaker 1: Fantastic headline, of course, copying the old wartime poster. And
40:07
Speaker 1: to be fair, this has been Trump's attitude. He's just
40:10
Speaker 1: keeping calm and carrying on, which is pretty impressive. He'll
40:13
Speaker 1: probably want to get some ideas from the King. I mean,
40:15
Speaker 1: he would love that job. You've got it for life
40:17
Speaker 1: and you don't face any elections. But in a democracy,
40:21
Speaker 1: in the democratic world, it's not so easy. I want
40:24
Speaker 1: to go to a story that you've broken that's made
40:27
Speaker 1: big news back here in Australia and it relates to
40:30
Speaker 1: the British SAS SAS Major George sim speaking out on
40:38
Speaker 1: the Ben Roberts Smith's case. Let's have a look at
40:40
Speaker 1: some of your interview.
40:42
Speaker 10: You know, there's this thing about people who get high
40:45
Speaker 10: gallantry awards. Everybody likes to take them down. Right, He's
40:49
Speaker 10: getting dragged through the media. It's embarrassing him, his family's friends,
40:53
Speaker 10: the military as a whole. It's embarrassing his friends across
40:56
Speaker 10: here because we're all part of one big, old happy
40:59
Speaker 10: family for their service and all that's foreign effect.
41:05
Speaker 1: Fascinating, Sophie to see that level of passion about this
41:08
Speaker 1: case in the UK, it really is Chris.
41:12
Speaker 5: I caught up with George sim just a few days
41:15
Speaker 5: ago here in central London and he was really quite
41:17
Speaker 5: disgusted with the treatment of Ben Roberts Smith and he said,
41:21
Speaker 5: it's really had an effect here in the UK, and
41:25
Speaker 5: there has been a lot of reporting here that there
41:29
Speaker 5: are allegations of witch hunts by human rights lawyers of
41:34
Speaker 5: SAS personnel both past and present, and it's resulting in
41:38
Speaker 5: personnel leaving the force prematurely. So you can see a
41:43
Speaker 5: mirrored effect here. But George sim, who was a very
41:47
Speaker 5: senior leader here in the SAS several decades ago, was
41:50
Speaker 5: really quite appalled and as you can see, he was
41:53
Speaker 5: very passionate there when he spoke to me last week.
41:57
Speaker 1: Just quickly, Sophie, I know you got to the marathon
41:59
Speaker 1: on the week and the air must be Finn and
42:01
Speaker 1: Crisp in London to run a marathon in under two hours.
42:04
Speaker 1: The Nyon brilliant stuff.
42:07
Speaker 5: Well, Chris, it was amazing. I was down at the
42:09
Speaker 5: marathon yesterday watching the atmosphere there was absolutely electric. And
42:15
Speaker 5: to see this canyon break the two hour record, make
42:18
Speaker 5: a world record. It was only his fourth marathon, Chris
42:21
Speaker 5: Now his average pace per kilometer was two minutes fifty seconds.
42:28
Speaker 5: Get that through your brain to think how quick that
42:31
Speaker 5: he's going. And his shoes only weighed ninety seven grams.
42:35
Speaker 5: A remarkable feat for this thirty one year old. Let's
42:38
Speaker 5: see what's going to come because he's still got Berlin
42:41
Speaker 5: to do. But g Chris, the atmosphere here, he said,
42:44
Speaker 5: the crowd really inspired him and it was such a
42:48
Speaker 5: great feeling down there yesterday.
42:50
Speaker 1: Well Dungeon, incredible stuff, Sophie, across all of it, all
42:54
Speaker 1: walks of life. Thanks for joining us. Sophia's worth there
42:56
Speaker 1: in London. Two minute, twenty kilometers, forty two of them
43:00
Speaker 1: end on in just incredible stuff. I never thought I'd
43:02
Speaker 1: see two hours broken like that. I got to get
43:05
Speaker 1: to the break on the other side of Gemutoni Union
43:07
Speaker 1: carolinea Uls join us talk about these Isis brides and
43:09
Speaker 1: their families reportedly tickets in hand on their way to Australia. Okay,
43:19
Speaker 1: let's sort a few things out here with Gematoni Uni
43:22
Speaker 1: and Caroline de Rousseau. Hello, my friend, we are pressed
43:24
Speaker 1: for time very quickly. Then let's get your thoughts first. Caroline,
43:28
Speaker 1: on the isis brides and their families. Is this a
43:31
Speaker 1: good thing for them to come back to this country.
43:33
Speaker 1: What do you expect the government should do at the airport?
43:37
Speaker 13: Well, I'm very uncomfortable about this, and I'm sure there
43:40
Speaker 13: are plenty of people in Australia who are given particularly
43:43
Speaker 13: you know, particularly since Bondi. But you know this is
43:47
Speaker 13: this is not the first time around the mountain for
43:50
Speaker 13: this country and terrorism related things going on. I would
43:56
Speaker 13: expect that they would be met at the border Australian authorities,
44:01
Speaker 13: and if they're not, that's a real concern for the community.
44:05
Speaker 13: The fact they're coming back is a concern. The fact
44:07
Speaker 13: they're coming back putting us in danger and then we
44:09
Speaker 13: have to pay for it is even more of a concern.
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Speaker 1: It has to be a risk of danger, There's no doubt.
44:13
Speaker 1: There has to be a risk of danger. And jem
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Speaker 1: Ra I would have thought that that's the first thing
44:17
Speaker 1: would have to happen, that'd have to go straight into
44:19
Speaker 1: interviews with our security and police agency.
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Speaker 15: I would have thought that that would be done before
44:24
Speaker 15: they reached this country. Australian citizenship has to mean something, Chris.
44:29
Speaker 15: And if there's one thing that we've seen from this government,
44:32
Speaker 15: and I think from the broader political left, is they
44:34
Speaker 15: don't place value on Australian citizenship. They place lip service,
44:38
Speaker 15: but they don't put the trouble.
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Speaker 1: Is, sorry to cut you off, but the trouble is
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Speaker 1: the citizenship entitles them to get back here, right. So
44:45
Speaker 1: then once they get back here, what I mean is.
44:48
Speaker 15: And maybe it's complex, too complex to actually put into action,
44:52
Speaker 15: but there needs to be some sort of reform or
44:55
Speaker 15: clause or something that says if you do X y Z,
44:57
Speaker 15: then your citizenship is revoked. Would have thought going to
45:01
Speaker 15: marry into willingly, going to a foreign theater of war,
45:04
Speaker 15: to marry into a prescribed terror group that has sworn
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Speaker 15: to destroy the West, including Australia, would not normally sub
45:12
Speaker 15: constitute forfeiting your.
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Speaker 1: Citizens if you've got anothership. If you don't have another one,
45:16
Speaker 1: they can't get rid.
45:17
Speaker 15: Does the Prime Minister want these isis brides living next
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Speaker 15: to him? Does he personally want to be responsible for
45:24
Speaker 15: them and their children and everything that they may or
45:26
Speaker 15: may not do when they come back in Australia.
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Speaker 1: It's such a worry. There's no doubt there's a grave
45:30
Speaker 1: security risk for the country. You can't no matter how
45:33
Speaker 1: kind and nice and sweet you want to be about. Yeah,
45:36
Speaker 1: we know what they were doing, and we know there
45:38
Speaker 1: were asked to accept that they change, and I don't
45:40
Speaker 1: believe there's been no instances really in the past of
45:42
Speaker 1: radicalized fundamentalists reforming. They pretend, but it hasn't happened. We've
45:46
Speaker 1: got to get onto doooing. Were you at an ANZAC
45:49
Speaker 1: ceremony on the weekend, Caroline, I went to the dawn service.
45:52
Speaker 1: There was a recognition of country quickly from the Governor
45:55
Speaker 1: General and an MC and that went fine. But not
45:58
Speaker 1: so and some other of the major events.
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Speaker 13: And it's always something I think that makes me a
46:04
Speaker 13: little uncomfortable. I suppose is building at an event like that,
46:09
Speaker 13: regardless of what it's in relation to. Chris, I'm no
46:12
Speaker 13: major fan of the welcome to country. That won't surprise
46:16
Speaker 13: you if I ever do one. You know, my family
46:18
Speaker 13: has been taken hostage and you need to call the police.
46:21
Speaker 13: But I can understand that other people choose to do them,
46:24
Speaker 13: and that's fine and at these sorts of events. But
46:26
Speaker 13: you know, the thing that I suppose does does stick
46:30
Speaker 13: with me for a bit, Chris, is that, you know,
46:32
Speaker 13: I think it's an indicator of where we've got to
46:35
Speaker 13: it as a country where it is being booed out
46:38
Speaker 13: somewhere like Anzac Day, not just the football or something
46:41
Speaker 13: like that. So personally, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with it,
46:44
Speaker 13: even though I'm no fan of the welcome to country,
46:46
Speaker 13: but I think it's a recognition of that that broader
46:49
Speaker 13: political unease.
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Speaker 1: I reckon it's disgusting behavior and I think it is
46:54
Speaker 1: overdone at times. But right time, right place, people loved it.
46:57
Speaker 1: The footy. There's no problem with the footy anything well,
47:00
Speaker 1: but they didn't. They didn't do they're welcome the country.
47:02
Speaker 1: I've never I just think this is despicable. If you
47:06
Speaker 1: want to disagree with it, write a letter campaign outside
47:09
Speaker 1: of it. Been booing at a dawn service. Your thoughts, I, as.
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Speaker 15: With all things, have no clear answer. I understand both
47:17
Speaker 15: points of view. I don't think it's appropriate. I loved
47:20
Speaker 15: what I forget the name of the senior person from
47:22
Speaker 15: the Australian Defense Force said, we've laid down our lives
47:25
Speaker 15: the rights for people to booth and I understand the
47:27
Speaker 15: concept of right to do that, and I understand the
47:29
Speaker 15: concept of that. Do I think it's the right way
47:32
Speaker 15: to make a point?
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Speaker 9: No?
47:33
Speaker 15: Do I understand, like Caroline said, the underlying frustration that
47:37
Speaker 15: is beginning to boil up in those situations. There are
47:40
Speaker 15: three or four things in very tight tension as a
47:43
Speaker 15: result of this. It's a window into many many things.
47:46
Speaker 15: Would I do it?
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Speaker 9: No?
47:47
Speaker 15: Do I endorse it?
47:48
Speaker 3: No?
47:49
Speaker 15: Do I understand the frustration that is given birth to it.
47:52
Speaker 6: Absolutely I do.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the frustration is misplaced. Absolutely agree.
47:59
Speaker 1: They are not welcoming anyone to Australia. They're walking into
48:01
Speaker 1: a particular Aboriginal area and it's a recognition that we're
48:05
Speaker 1: all one country and we'll see but they're not all
48:08
Speaker 1: the same.
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Speaker 15: Sometimes they've done I've been lectured and resented it, and
48:12
Speaker 15: I've been welcomed and felt embraced.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Good point, that's that the two extremes that you
48:16
Speaker 1: can have on this, let's just stick on having respect
48:20
Speaker 1: for ANZAC Day and have a look at this Labor
48:22
Speaker 1: senator's social media post. Check this out by the head.
48:36
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, how about that? How about that Caroline from
48:39
Speaker 1: a Labor senator by the name of Helen Polly.
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Speaker 13: Look, I understand that all politicians and political parties, political
48:47
Speaker 13: parties in particular trying to get their politicians to do
48:50
Speaker 13: more social media and be more president and engaged and whatever.
48:53
Speaker 13: Quality over quantity people. That was an absolute shocker. Better
49:00
Speaker 13: off not doing something than doing something.
49:02
Speaker 15: Like that grabbing a woman by the hair. I mean,
49:05
Speaker 15: this is the kind tot of political left. If the
49:08
Speaker 15: prime minister or someone very senior in cabin cabinet doesn't
49:11
Speaker 15: reprimand her specifically for that alone, I don't know what to.
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Speaker 1: Say right out of time. Thanks Jimma, Thanks Caroline. Imagine
49:18
Speaker 1: if a coalition emptied it that Labor and go nuts.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter