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LIVE from The NFL Combine Day 3, Longtime NFL reporter Albert Breer stops by, NFL Films Sr Producer Greg Cosell joins the show · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three
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  Speaker 1: Now Podcast? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is doing well.
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  Speaker 1: We are back in Arizona, off a little sleep and
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  Speaker 1: uh ready to enjoy some sun, get out of the
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  Speaker 1: freezing cold weather.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it. Honestly wasn't that cold.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to India when it's definitely been colder and snowing,
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  Speaker 1: so we avoided that. But today we will talk to
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  Speaker 1: Albert Breer, who information gatherer in the National Football League,
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  Speaker 1: and we will also talk to Greg Cosell, who knows
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks as well as anybody, and turns out he was
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  Speaker 1: friends with Bill Walsh, so we'll talk to Greg co self.
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  Speaker 1: That will be the show today on this Fugazi Friday,
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  Speaker 1: because You're boy is out of gas.
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  Speaker 2: So we banged out some interviews when we were there
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  Speaker 2: and that's what we will do today. So we'll go
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  Speaker 2: with Albert Breer and then Great co Sell. You guys
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  Speaker 2: know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast wherever you may listen.
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  Speaker 1: You can catch obviously all the video up on Netflix
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  Speaker 1: and enjoy. Let's dive into Breer. Okay, here with the
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  Speaker 1: mister information Albert Breer, I watch your mail bags on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube all the time, and I've obviously Colin you just
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  Speaker 1: you feed me full of information.
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  Speaker 2: So this is obviously a big week for people like you, yep,
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  Speaker 2: coming in. What's the buzz out there on the street
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think this is like an interesting
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  Speaker 3: off season.
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  Speaker 4: I think the free agent market is what it's always been.
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  Speaker 3: There has been for the last few years with the
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  Speaker 3: caps escalated to the point where if you want to
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  Speaker 3: keep a guy, you generally can, So you're starting to
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  Speaker 3: hear about tags, right like so George Pickens, Alec Pierce,
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  Speaker 3: Brice Hall. It winds becoming a really really thin market,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think that that goose is the trade
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  Speaker 3: market create some more conversations between teams where you know,
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  Speaker 3: teams that have needs that they need to fill have
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  Speaker 3: to get a little bit more creative.
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  Speaker 4: And then you know, I think, like.
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  Speaker 3: For me, at least, like over the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm just trying to cram and learn as
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  Speaker 3: much about the draft class as I possibly can.
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  Speaker 4: And and that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Too, because I feel like there are a couple of
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  Speaker 3: stories in this year's drafts. I mean, the first one
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  Speaker 3: I think is that it's Fernando Mendoza, and then who
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  Speaker 3: the hell knows at quarterback? There may be only one answer,
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  Speaker 3: and if that guy's going first overall, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: leave a lot of teams, you know, in March looking
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  Speaker 3: for some sort of answer, whether it's the bridge or
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  Speaker 3: something else at quarterback, you know. And then I think
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  Speaker 3: the very top of the draft you don't have like
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  Speaker 3: the prototypes, like the Cyborgs, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: There's no Calvin Johnson receiver, there's.
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  Speaker 2: No Miles Garrett, Miles.
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  Speaker 3: Garrett defensive end. You know, there's no Pine steel tackle.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it's for.
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  Speaker 4: The teams at the top.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of interesting like where once you get past
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  Speaker 3: Mendoza going to the Raiders, you know, the Jets, the Titans,
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  Speaker 3: what do these teams do? Are you comfortable taking David
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  Speaker 3: Bailey or Rvel Reese, you know his edge rushers. Rvel
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  Speaker 3: Reese is kind of more of like a Micah Parson's hybrid.
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  Speaker 3: Are you comfortable taking Spencer Fano that high?
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  Speaker 4: Or do you look at you go.
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  Speaker 3: Non premium position, whether Jeremiah Love or a Kleeb downs.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think it's interesting from that standpoint, although
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  Speaker 3: it does sound like from what I can from what
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  Speaker 3: I can gather, there's some good depth. So like once
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  Speaker 3: you settle into the bottom of the first round, second
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  Speaker 3: and third round, you can do some really good work.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just start with Fernando. I mean, I'm biased.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big SPI tech guy. Last year was weird. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the Pete thing, the quarterback. You've You've covered a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the Brady situation. He lives in Florida, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not like he's in the building every day.
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  Speaker 2: You get drafted.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Indiana, you're Ohio state guy. Indiana turned into
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  Speaker 1: Ohio state in like two years. Somehow, it doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: much better than what he did. The Raiders have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of issues, the Max Crosby thing hanging over. Just
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on Fernando going to a team that's obviously
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  Speaker 1: not that good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think like it's it's
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  Speaker 3: interesting because you know, I do a big thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: every year with DJ and with McShay and kind of
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  Speaker 3: have them like I had them.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, so.
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  Speaker 4: Where do they THE'SE got? War would Fernando rank historically?
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  Speaker 4: And this is sort of what I've.
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  Speaker 3: Gotten from teams too, Is that like he would be
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  Speaker 3: in the class two years ago, I would have been fourth,
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  Speaker 3: beyond the big three and ahead of McCarthy, Pennix and Knicks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and then and then you look back a
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  Speaker 3: few more years and it's like, well, over the last
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  Speaker 3: five years, where would he be fourth or fifth?
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  Speaker 4: You know, depending on how you look at him versus
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  Speaker 4: cam Ward.
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  Speaker 3: So he's a really good prospect worthy of going first overall.
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  Speaker 3: I think the question that the Raiders are going to
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  Speaker 3: be asking internally is we think he can be like
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  Speaker 3: a top ten quarterback Kenny elevate and.
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  Speaker 4: Become a top five quarterback? And and you know, what
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  Speaker 4: do you do need to do around him to get
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  Speaker 4: him there? And the compside, you know, the comp I've
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  Speaker 4: heard that I.
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  Speaker 3: Like the most is golf. You know, you hear some
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  Speaker 3: of the Matt Ryan too, you know, can you like,
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  Speaker 3: do you see yourself in five years paying somebody like that?
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  Speaker 3: And who knows what it's gonna be? Seventy five million,
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  Speaker 3: eighty million dollars a year's good? Like is he going
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  Speaker 3: to get to a second contract with you? So those
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  Speaker 3: are the sorts of questions you're asking. He's a really
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  Speaker 3: good player. I think, you know, it's just I think
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  Speaker 3: in a in an era now where we're seeing these
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks get to the second contracts and it's almost like
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  Speaker 3: if you see your own guy, you draft and develop
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  Speaker 3: and you have to pay him at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the market. So like you know what Jordan Love and
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  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert gets affects what to a tongue of a
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  Speaker 3: Lowa gets. So now you got Tua on top of
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  Speaker 3: the market deal, and now that looks different once he's
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  Speaker 3: not on his rookie deal anymore and you can't put
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  Speaker 3: as much around him, and now he doesn't look like
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  Speaker 3: the same player. These are all the sorts of arguments
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  Speaker 3: that like you're going to have to make on Fernando
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  Speaker 3: Mendoza if you're in that room and you're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to kind of play Devil's advocate with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. Or does Tom Brady look at him and
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  Speaker 3: identify with them and say, you know, chip on his shoulder, Cal,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like leaves Cal goes to Indiana like he's
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  Speaker 3: kind of got you know. And again DJ and McShay
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  Speaker 3: made this point. Both of them made this point to me,
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  Speaker 3: like there's like a lot of like kind of parallels
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  Speaker 3: between him and Brady.
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  Speaker 4: Tall accurate sees the field. Well all that, so, I
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  Speaker 4: know I gave you a lot there.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see And I know where DJ and Micshay
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  Speaker 1: come at it from like a twenty thousand foot view,
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  Speaker 1: and if I view it from the lens of like
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  Speaker 1: I lived in the Bay for a long time. What
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan likes and now Kubiak's there. They you know, the
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  Speaker 1: cam Ward, the traits, Matt. I've been around Andy Reid.
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  Speaker 1: They like traits, the Shanahan's accuracy, smarts. They're gonna like
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza do what I call a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they like having a joy set.
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  Speaker 1: I think Fernando Mendoza would shine for a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the Shanahan type guys. Like I think now They're offense
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  Speaker 1: isn't quite set up and they need some receivers. The
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  Speaker 1: running back again, I'm spiked that guy. Disagreed with the
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  Speaker 1: value six overall for the little guy. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on him to be a really
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  Speaker 1: really good player, but he is a talented player. Showed
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  Speaker 1: some signs at the end. I think he fits that
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  Speaker 1: offense really really well well.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's fair, you know, and like he can
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  Speaker 3: move and again he's really accurate. He sees it fast,
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  Speaker 3: he sees and you know, I I do think like
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  Speaker 3: if you look, and I think one of the main
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  Speaker 3: biggest criticism we're gonna here on him is like the
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  Speaker 3: amount of RPOs that Indiana.
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  Speaker 4: Ran, but.
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  Speaker 2: Top running team in the country, right, yeah, And.
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  Speaker 3: You saw, but you saw some things like in big
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  Speaker 3: spots where he made big throws, you know, I mean
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  Speaker 3: the Penn State game, I think is probably the most
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  Speaker 3: obvious one, you know, but in the the Ohio State game,
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  Speaker 3: like the throw he made, I think there was Charlie
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  Speaker 3: Becker down the sideline to put my guys away, Like
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  Speaker 3: I was in the stands for that one.
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  Speaker 4: He I mean, that was a really I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean a high end O high state defense with four
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  Speaker 3: guys who I think will be first round picks in
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  Speaker 3: this year's draft and maybe more in the next couple
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  Speaker 3: drafts that he was going against. And he was making
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  Speaker 3: big plays in the passing game down the stretch of
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  Speaker 3: that game.
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  Speaker 4: You do see it in spurts, and it's just I.
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  Speaker 3: Think you have to trust that that's gonna grow and
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be there's gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Be more of that as you feel.
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  Speaker 1: You watched John l waydoc on Netflix, Yeah, those guys
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  Speaker 1: got hit in the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like a UFC fight. Yeah, And that.
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  Speaker 1: For honestly, one of the most impressive things in Fernando
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  Speaker 1: Mendoz's career is the first play in the Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: game when he got hit like it was nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, the NFL two plays.
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  Speaker 4: Later, Kathen Curry, I think hit him right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he got clock like the dude on the
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  Speaker 2: like Sarkt in the hockey.
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  Speaker 4: His little brother came in and exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Ran one play and he came back. I could see
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  Speaker 1: Brady like, because that's the end off.
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  Speaker 3: That's what Brady that and that I think is what
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  Speaker 3: Brady is gonna look for. Like I I know this,
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  Speaker 3: like I remember, you know, covering Brady when he was
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  Speaker 3: a younger player, and he changed over the years and
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  Speaker 3: sort of sel there's a self preservation to his game.
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  Speaker 3: But if you watched Brady when he was young, he
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: took monster hits.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember talking to his coaches and like how.
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  Speaker 3: They said, like he gives the receivers the line, he
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: gives them an extra second He gives everything an extra second,
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  Speaker 3: gives the lineman an extra second to block, gives the
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  Speaker 3: play an extra second to develop, gives the receivers an
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  Speaker 3: extra second to get open because he's willing to take
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  Speaker 3: the hit, you know. And that was Brady when he
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  Speaker 3: was young. Now, of course it changed. I think after
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: the acl like there were I think he realized, like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna last going this way.
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  Speaker 4: But that's who Brady was when he was younger. It
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  Speaker 4: was one of the most.
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  Speaker 3: Important pieces of his game. And I mean I saw
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  Speaker 3: that hit like it looked like.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was dead.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I've at the stadium thought he was
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  Speaker 1: out for the game, right, and their season was over right, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean I thought I thought Ohio State at that point
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  Speaker 3: was going forty five to nothing, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Like, and obviously I was mistaken on that one.
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  Speaker 2: But he but his toughness, I mean, that's a huge part.
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  Speaker 2: I think's the most underrated part of quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Even today, you don't get hit his You've still got
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: to be tough, right and he And speaking of tough,
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: the biggest story with the Raiders is Max and yeah,
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: you're out on the street the buzz and spy text.
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  Speaker 2: They don't.
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  Speaker 1: They clearly love that, like he represents everything you'd want
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  Speaker 1: to play. He's probably one of the most well respected
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  Speaker 1: player by every coach in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but how do they not? I mean, he's twenty eight,
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine, had some injuries.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: I heard you talking about it last week of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, his market's still pretty I think you get
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  Speaker 1: two first round picks because the amount of teams that
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: would be bidding on him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's under contract, I think the question
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  Speaker 3: with him, So most of the guys who've been traded
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  Speaker 3: for two first round picks have been like smack in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the prime of their careers. So Max
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  Speaker 3: a little different than that. Max cost a lot though,
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  Speaker 3: Max Max micas Max is going to be twenty nine, right,
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  Speaker 3: Max's Max has finished the last three years injured. Doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean he's injury prone, but the facts of the facts,
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  Speaker 3: he's finished the last three years injured. So that's a
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  Speaker 3: piece of it too, you know, And it's how does
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  Speaker 3: he project going forward?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 4: The upshot of.
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  Speaker 3: It is his contract is tradable, and his contract gives
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: his new team control and if he's not like going
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: to be pounding the table for a contract adjustment. If
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: he's happy to go with his exist is existing contract
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: somewhere else, well then you know you could look at
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  Speaker 3: and say, we'll get good three good years of him
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  Speaker 3: out of him. Well, we'll be able to get at
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  Speaker 3: least three good years out of him. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: know about two first round picks. But like, and the
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  Speaker 3: only thing that gives me pause there John is the
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  Speaker 3: is the age piece of it. And it's just historically
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: you look at it and the Khalil Max, the the
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  Speaker 3: the Micah Parsons. Those guys were at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the rookie deals when those things happen.
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  Speaker 1: The difference though, is with those guys you obviously had
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  Speaker 1: to trade the two first round picks, but then you
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: had to give him historic extensions. Yeah, right, this different
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  Speaker 1: exact might have to my think with the two first
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  Speaker 1: round picks, it's like a house seven people want to buy.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were all the good teams would be
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: interested in Max Crosby, so you get three. How many
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: people were really bidding for Micah because he had to
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: sign the contract.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if it's it's kind of a unique deal.
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  Speaker 3: I mean and and like part of that's sliding too,
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  Speaker 3: and that like because this like some of those deals,
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: like the Coalil Mac deal, the Michael Parsiy seal, those
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: happen in training camp, so you don't know what that
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: first round pick is now. Like I think the two
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl teams will be involved if he becomes available,
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  Speaker 3: and those two teams have the thirty first and thirty
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  Speaker 3: second picks, that means like they're not.
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  Speaker 4: Going to get away with like just get like Whereas
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: if you have the.
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  Speaker 3: Twentieth pick or you have the fifteenth pick, then obviously
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: that's going to change the value and the fact that
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: we know where those picks are versus like some of
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: these guys that got traded during training camp where you're
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of its guesswork, you know, changes the equation too.
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  Speaker 1: Lesson Sean at the thirteenth pick, because Atlanta they've been
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: known to do some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Max gets traded?
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  Speaker 4: I I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, just because I know Max is really principal.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: I know he's got the loyalty to Mark Davis, the
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: loyalty to the Raiders.
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  Speaker 4: The desire to be a one team guy.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: I also know like he had a good conversation with
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: Klint Kubiak. My question is, like the Tom Brady Alex Guerrero,
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: like that whole part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Can they get that ironed out? Can they get that?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Because I do think that there was a part of
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: it for Max And this is like just me talking,
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: but like I think for Max, like a big piece
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  Speaker 3: of this is like what does he have to compete
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: for if he hasn't been competing for championships, which the
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: team hasn't been good enough for him to compete for championships?
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  Speaker 3: All pros statistical benchmarks, being able to say like I
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: answer the bell every week for my teammates, and I
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: think like last year he kind of felt like that
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  Speaker 3: was taken away from him, you know, And is he
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  Speaker 3: going to hold on to that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: That's the part that's really hard to project, Like how
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: long does he hold on to that? And then I
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: think the other piece of it too is like we're here,
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: these teams are talking to each other, Like does what
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: people are whispering to the Raiders affect it too, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like where if the Raiders don't
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: think the market is as hot as people think, for him,
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: I think it'll be for him, Like, does that affect
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: their well, their willingness to go back in and try
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: tomend fences.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: One takeaway ahead from yesterday is I think most people
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: casually think, oh, they don't like AJ Brown, he's a
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: big pain.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I think the Eagles internally like AJ Brown. Yeah.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: I think the players like him, the coaches like him.
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  Speaker 1: The view on the outside is different, I think than
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: the inside. I just thought, like, well, he's older, makes
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. Just get they have to give
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Hi away for a thirt Like, I actually don't think
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: they're just giving him away, Like I came away like
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I think this a J. Brown thinks a little more
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: complicated than you assume.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yeah?
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: I mean I think it's. Look, they've got some cap
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: issues coming down the Pike's true.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: And they've got some things that they're gonna have to
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: clean up. And you know the way you clean those
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: things up is you move older players off the roster
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: and get you really younger, really young players on the roster.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And so he's done that over the last coup.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that part of it can't
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: be ignored. That it's well, like if somebody's offering a
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: first round pick and something else for him, which I
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: don't know will be offered at this point, because I
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: do think he's I think he's lost his step. Like
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: I think he's still a really good player, but I
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: think he's lost his step. But if somebody comes to
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: you with the first round pick and say a fourth
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: round pick or whatever, that's two players that are gonna
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: be on your roster for cheap and.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: You have to take the cap hit.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: But I think that stuff can be overblown sometimes too,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: just in that, well, you're gonna have to take this
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: cap hit.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: It's like that's not disappearing.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: If you hang on to him, like that's gonna like
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: that mortgaged money that's sitting there on your that's eventually
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: going to hit.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Like so one way or the other, you're gonna have
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: to account for it at some point. Makes it interesting.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: I'm with you, Like I think he's a good guy
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: who's liked in the locker room all of that.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Like, I think Jalen Hurts has more problems in that
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: regard than AJ Brown, does.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I think that's one where how he can kind of
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: sit back and.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think he needs to shop him.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: I think people will naturally come to him and then
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: he can say it from there.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: The team in your backyard, where they you think they're
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: kind of rattled by how the Super Bowl went.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Where's one of those I think.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I think if you look at the way that
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: they handled the trade deadline, they were playing really well,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: and I still think that there was a caution we're
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: not there yet, and a realistic look at the roster
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: and like looking at it and saying, well, this is
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: great and we're doing awesome, but is this really like
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: the roster that we'll be able to sustain for the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: next five years? And the reality of it is at receiver,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: they're relying on Stephan Digson mac Collins. At tight end,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: they're relying on Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper. Their right
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: tackle is Morgan Moses. Like they're older at a bunch
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: of positions. And I think there's a little bit of
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: like a cautionary tale there to some degree with the
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: commanders last year, where the commanders got old in a
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: hurry fast and like it went from all right, this
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: stuff's all working out now, we're all in. We're trading
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: for Lattimore, we're trading for debo or trade waiting for Tunsil.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: They got old.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: And what happens to teams, They get old, they get hurt,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: they get hurt, they get hurt, and so.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Now you got the injuries. Now they're getting beat up.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: And now you look at it, and I think they've
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: only got five picks, so they're gonna have to move
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: around to three.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Texans have their second round pick right pick thirty seven.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Right right, So you're looking at all of these moving
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: pieces here, and you know, so I think for the Patriots,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: they have sort of taken this approach, We're staying the
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: course and we're gonna keep building. And that doesn't mean
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't take advantage of an opportunity like a Max Crosby.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I think they would, But I believe they've got eleven picks,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: and you know, I think the intention has been, like
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: to build something sustainable. And I think they also recognize
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: that there are a few of those key positions or
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: they're already kind of naturally.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Older and they're gonna need younger players.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: So a couple quick news these questions before you get
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: out of here. The news on Davis Webb yesterday. From
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the outside, I know you're pretty dolled in on this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It looks like file fires Lombardy. He maybe could have
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: got the Cardinals or one of those type jobs he
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: had to like promise him to play calling to keep
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: him around.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Is that a fair assessment of that situation.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it wasn't as Andrew Siciliano trips
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: over its credential, somehow held it together. I guess if
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I was doing the Olympics for the last three weeks,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I'd be worn out too.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think you.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Know, were you surprised by that? Did you know that
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: was coming?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: And I would say it wasn't. I don't think it
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: was just the head coaching situations. It was also like
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the Giants that kick tires on him as a coordinator,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the Ravens at kick tires on him as a coordinator, and.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: So they were gonna lose them.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I think what's fascinating about it is you just you
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: look at it and where they're at now, and like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: it's not like Sean Payton failed as a coordinator. It
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: failed as a play caller, and that's been his calling
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: card for a quarter century. So I think it shows
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: you how he values Davis web on his staff. How
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: maybe bon Nick's value use Davis web on his staff,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: because you really look at that and it's like, that's
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: not an answer for the next ten years. If Davis
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Webb does a good job, he's gonna be gone, you know.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: And so now what do you do? Do you go
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: back to Sean calling the plays. I think it's fascinating
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: from that standpoint in that it's it's not a guy
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: who is failing as of court as a pet play caller.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: He's one of the best play callers of his generation.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: It's something he's done has been central to his job
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: for twenty five years, like going all the way back
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: to the Giants, you know, when I was in college,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and you turn it over to a guy who I mean, realistically,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: if he does a good job, is gonna put you
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: in a position where you're gonna be looking for another
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: play caller, whether it's Sean or somebody else in a
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: year or two.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously Tomlin next year will be in the mix.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be one of the main candidates if he
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: wants to. Who knows, maybe he's just so rich and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: over it all and just goes to the TV starre.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I watch some of the Braven's press conference, Anthony Weaver
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, God, this guy sounds like a head coach.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy's gonna but Davis Webb, it feels like
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it's gonna have a ton of momentum if the Broncos
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: are good to be one of the top candidates.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was squarely in it. I'd say
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I'd say he was the runner up for the Raiders job.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Clint wouldn't have gotten it if
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Davis hadn't pulled his name out, but I know he
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: was a really strong candidate there.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Philip Rivers like Davious No, I'm saying, but it's Philip Rivers.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Another guy candidate for next year.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Is So I'm going to be interested to see if
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Philip Rivers goes inn SIY State because his son just
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: committed there, and I think Philip has a desire to
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: eventually coach in the NFL.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I know there were only a few teams he was
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: willing to listen to.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: He was willing to.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Kind of go out therefore, and the reason why, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: it's not like an arrogance or anything like that. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: think it's really important for him to finish coaching his son.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And I remember in conversation with him, and this is
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: probably when Connor was eleven or twelve years old and
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: he was still playing for the Chargers, and he said
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: to me, and I asked him the retirement question, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: he basically said to me, he was like, well, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: am on a timeline here. He's like, my dad coached
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: me in high school.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I want to coach Gunner.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I want to coach, and I want to coach my
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: son's plural. I want to have that experience that my
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: dad had. I want them to have the experience that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I had. And so I think like the ability to
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: coach his son his senior year in high school is important.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And I do wonder with his son now committed DENC State,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: is that where he winds up and even and if
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: NC State were to make a change after this, that's
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: one to watch where it's like, does he look at
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: it and say, I'm going to go be the head
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: coach at DENC State for the next four or five
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: years and then coach my son, maybe coach both coach
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: both my sons through that and then and then go
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to the NFL. I think it's an interesting thing.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Schefter puts out the Trent Williams thing about thirty minutes
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: before John gets up on the podium. I would imagine,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the forty nine ers would want
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that out, So maybe Trent, I mean going back and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: forth there, What do you make of that situation?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I think in the middle of the negotiation, I mean,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I think they've been through this with Trent
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: so many times now.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: They've obviously got.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of experience with the uncomfortable contract negotiations. I
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: think it was a consecutive summers where it was like
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Bosa every year it was Deebo Bosa an iuk, right,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: like a three consecutive off seasons. So like they've dealt
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: with these situations before, they've dealt with them with Trent specifically.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I just think he's too freaking important.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Like I would argue he might be the most indispensable
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: player in that team, including the quarterback.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: And I think Brock's a really good player.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: You know, but I think he makes a decent offensive
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: line look better than it is, Like he's that good
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to left tackle and so I think he knows it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, there's every year now I
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: think you're kind of in that position where it's like, Okay,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: like what do we need to do to get him back?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And I would think, I know how much Kyle thinks
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of him. I would think they're going to do everything
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: they can to get him back.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: And least, but not least the Sam Donold situation, the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: impact that had on Minnesota. How cool of a genuine
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: human interest story him winning It had a lot of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: ripple effects throughout the league. I mean you've been covering
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the league a long time. You ever seen a like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: basically in.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: The dirt it was? It had an Alex Smith vibe.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But Alex Smith never won that many playoff games, let
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: alone win the Super Bowl.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't remember.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And a guy that was like universally liked, It's like,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it's not like kind of an.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: A hole, you know, you know everyone loved him.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: When you go back to the Jets people, you go
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: back to the Panthers, like, everyone loves Sam Darnold.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Did that have lasting impacts on the Minnesota situation? Is
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: that overblown?
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I mean I think, like I think one thing you
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: look at again, like I talked about earlier, like the
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: almost like automatic you have to pay if you draft
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and develop a quarterback and it works out you almost
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: have to pay him at the top end of the market.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: There's no like B level quarterback contract.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I think some teams look at like what happened with
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Sam and it's like, well, wait a second, they got
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: him at like half of what Dak cost, right, So
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Dak is at sixty. They got Sam after that at thirty?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: And why why they because he played really well for Minnesota.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Why did they get him at that rate? Is it
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: just because of perception? Is it just because he's not
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the former first round pick anymore because he's changed teams,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: And so I think there's that element of it. You
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: know what Baker what Tampa wound up getting Baker for.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with Daniel Jones in Indianapolis.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: But I do think like there's.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: If I'm a team the way I'm looking at and
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: having I think some teams are thinking this way.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: It's more like, do I feel like I have to
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: take a quarterback in the first round or the draft,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: or if I'm eighty percent of the way there and
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a guy but I maybe don't think he's going to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: be great?
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Am I better off.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Having like a high end, high end, high end bridge,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: like a former first.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Round pick come in and be that guy.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I actually think like maybe the best example if it
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: was Alex Smith, because when Andy Reid went and got
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Alex Smith, if you remember, they had the first overall
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: pick that year, a thirteen, and I remember there.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Were people who thought like, oh, they're gonna take Gino Smith.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: EJ.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Manuel was the only first round quarterback that year. If
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: they had forced it, what that would have looked like
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: instead of just taking Eric Fisher and then having Alex Smith.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And what Alex Smith allowed for them was Alex Smith
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: gave you a good level of quarterback play you're a
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: playoff team, allowed you to establish a program, you're building
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: your roster up, and then you got to the point
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: eventually where it was like you could just survey. You
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: weren't forced into a single year where it's like, yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: we have to get him now. It was like, all right,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: we don't like this year's we don't like Oh that
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: guy right there, mahomes like, let's keep an eye on him.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: It gave them the flexibility to kind of cherry pick
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: when they were gonna go get their franchise quarterback and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of power in that. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: think the worst place you can be in is like
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: your pigeonholed into a single year. Like if you're a
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: team that needs a quarterback now and you don't and
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you don't have the first pick, you're not the Raiders.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, what do you do?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Malie Willis, Yeah, I mean what do you do?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And like that's that's the thing is like, if you
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: have like that bridge, you're not forced into that sort
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of pick.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, last question. I know you like big picture league questions.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Howie yesterday just about how much
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this event has changed, and then last night had a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: few Tito Sodas with some gms and they said, every
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: interview now you've said the kids are like, yeah, I'm
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: not really gonna work out, not gonna do anything, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: they're just like the league.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And again they're not even mad at it. But you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: you've talked about moving this event.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: This event's important for the interviews and obviously the coaches
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: being here. The league likes all that stuff. But is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the combine going to exist in like ten years this case?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I think it will, but like I
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: don't know what form it's going to exist in. I
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: think I think there's some degree of the league shot
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: itself in the foot a little bit. If they had
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: just left this for what it was and stopped trying
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: to turn it into something that's not, you know, then
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I think you probably still have a really good thing here.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I think with the.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Element of just commodifying everything and like trying to like, hey,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: how do we turn this new event or that new event,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: how do we like the players have agency now, you
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, and the players are coming
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: into the league, like these guys have already made money,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Like, so, like, how's a guy like that going to think?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I think Marvin Harrison, you know, a couple of
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: years ago was the turning point. It's Marvin Harrison came
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: in and he was in the first class of high
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: school athletes to go into college and be nil as
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: true freshman, right, And Caleb was in that group high
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: in il right, right and high nil. And so he
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: came into it and for three years now he had
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: been thinking about things through that lens. It's like, I like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: look what I've done the last two years? Why do
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: why am I going to go work out, Like all
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I can do is hurt myself there. You know, why
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: would I not want to do it in the most
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: comfortable environment, where is the proof that there's something And
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: at the time, he's a top five pick.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: So it's like, like, don't I have a lot more
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: to lose than I have to gain?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean like like that, like like I
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: have way more to lose than I have to gain.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Like the best thing I can do is just do
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: everything in the most comfortable environment and confirm.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: What people think of me and then be done with it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: And so, like, I think it's some of that stuff
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about as a result of the players
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: having more of a business mindset and having been through that,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: like viewing themselves as like now I'm a commodity too,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and I have to treat my I have to handle
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: myself that way. And so you know, I think it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: looking at all these little things as part of the
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: process with more scrutiny, and again, like it's not going
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: to be the same for a guy who's going in
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the top ten versus a fourth round. A fourth round
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: pick should be doing everything here the fourth round pick,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Like all thirty two teams are here. This is my chance.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: You know, if I think I'm going to do well
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: in the drills, do it here? Shows how competitive I am.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: If you're a top ten pick, what motivation do you
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: have other than like being a quote unquote competitor.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Like that's really it?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: One more quick League one the International Series. I've been
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: saying forever, You've talked a lot about this. I think
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in a couple of years the league is going to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: sell like a ten to fifteen game pack. It's like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Thursday night all over the Australian Morning thing. Australia's cool,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like and I get it. They love sports and it'll
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: do cool. They got to fly like eighteen hours to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Australia and I get it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's week one.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It does feel like Roger whenever you like one of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: his lasting impacts, his last two raw of like growing
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the League final, he thinks they're going international. Yeah, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: they've already gone, but like we're gonna be more of
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: an international sport.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Can that even work?
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Yes? I think they like it. I mean I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: they see if you.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Look at like I would urge people to look at
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: like the Premier League viewership numbers seven hundred and fifty
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: million people watching Dwarf like a regular season game Dwarf
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the NFL, And like, I think that's what they're looking
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: at right like, and they've some of these teams have
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: worked with some A soccer teams. There's cross ownership there.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: The the you know, Jet of course is one. Obviously,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Stan Kronke Own's Arsenal. The Glaziers in Tampa, they own
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Manchester United. So I think it got to a point early.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: In Rogers' tenure. This is a big picture thing.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Early in Rogers' tenure, so you're talking like his first year's,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: oh six, eighth, nine, ten, they sort of came to
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the conclusion like we're killing it domestically.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: So we can't grow up anymore. So we have to
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: grow out. And that man growing adding inventory.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: How do you add inventory?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You go back to LA with two teams, You add
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: all of these international markets, you go to seventeen games,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: you expand the playoffs, like all that is football, all
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: that Thursday night football, All that is is adding inventory
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: for people to buy from them. And so like if
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: this commissioner's charged Roger Goodell's charge was twenty five billion
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: in annual revenue, and it looks like he's going to
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: get there. Like the way to do it was never
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: sit on our hands and do things the way they've
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: always been done, which was plenty lucrative. If his charge
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: was for the new breed of owners was no, like
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you go and operate like a Fortune five hundred company.
• 30:52
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• 30:54
  Speaker 4: This is the way to do it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: In five years, Brian roll App will take over a
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• 31:01
  Speaker 4: We'll see, We'll say, thanks Albert, all right, thanks shall.
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• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive into my main man, Greg co cell.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, here with with Greg co cell As. Colin likes
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to say a football meets sandwich. And I've been talking
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to you over the last couple of days. We got
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: a lot going on. How many combines is this for you?
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: You think my first one was nineteen ninety nine, It's
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: been a while, been a while. Nineteen ninety nine there
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: might have been like three national writers that were at
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: the combine.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That was it?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Really pretty coot. I was talking to someone the other day. Football,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of sad. I mean, we still
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: love the games and watch the games. You break them
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: all down. It's become a lot of this. I mean,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it's it's a television show.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: It's an event. Yeah, it's an event.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: As much as it is the game. And this thing
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: is to look at all these digital shows. I know
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing you noticed. It's not just no
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: radio shows. These are digital digital shows.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I know. That means they got to see my face.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: That's tough. Where do we start the draft class? Right?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: The quarterback Fernando Mindow thoughts.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Well, you know it's funny. Obviously, I feel like the
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl was just played yesterday. So I'm I'm just
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: getting started. Although what I normally do, John, is i'd
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: get a baseline. Every summer, I'll watch maybe one hundred
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: and twenty guys that are likely to be in the
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: draft the next year. You know, you know how it
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: is twenty twenty five guys drop out for whatever reason,
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: but at least I get a baseline of guys. So
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: right now, I'm just getting into it. Because of my
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: NFL work, I can't really start till maybe mid till
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: late January. So I've done Mendoza in detail, you know.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: And it's an interesting study. And you know this because
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: you know this is what you do too. It's an
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: interesting quarterback study because we've reached a point where people
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: just say a quarterback has great traits because he can
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: throw it hard and he can run around. And then
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: I keep thinking to myself, that's not really the key
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: to playing quarterback in the NFL. So when people look
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: at Mendoza, they don't see a guy that necessarily has
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: a hose and they can run around. They are a
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: little uncertain as to how he fits into being a
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: you know, a quarterback prospect, but he he kind of
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: knows how to play the position, you know, to me, quarterback,
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: and I was very fortunate in my career. Maybe the
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: best thing that ever happened in my career was Bill
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Walsh taught me the quarterback position. So when I watch quarterbacks,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: I think about the subtlety of it, the detail, the nuance,
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: the discipline, craft element of it. And well, I'm not
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: going to sit here in say Mendoz is a perfect prospect,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: but he plays it more like that than the guys
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: who just you know, have the hose and run around.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm not.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Sure a lot of people really understand that that is
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: a really important part of playing quarterback consistently at the
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: NFL level.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I think Bill Walsh would have liked for Fernando Mendozo, Yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I think he would have. Can you go back to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the Bill Walsh relationship how that started? Yeah? Oh yeah,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So I've never heard that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: I got to sign what you know, back in the day,
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: you know, working at NFL Films and I did a
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: lot more documentary type films and I got a sign
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: to do a Bill Walsh project, and my boss at
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: the time said, you know, we want you to do
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: it because you know, you know, you love football, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: you go out and you know, meet Bill Walsh and
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: you know, so I went out and.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: He was not coaching in the NFL, so.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Early nineties maybe early nineties maybe, Yeah, that sounds about right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: So I go out and do you know, do what
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: I'm doing. In fact, I remember what we did. I
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: went out and I brought.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Film.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: It wasn't coaching cap because we didn't have it, but
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: film of like twenty quarterbacks, you know, going back to
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: like Johnny Unitas, and basically it was just Bill put
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: the camera on. He's watching, you know, on a on
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: a big screen, all these quarterbacks, maybe twenty quarterbacks, and
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: just commenting on, commenting on them, you know, just let
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: them go free form. So we're done with it. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: I don't know, for whatever reason, he must have saw
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: something in me, like me, and he basically said, you know.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's go out to lunch.
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: And I'm like talking to me, you know, and obviously
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: I've got a cameraman there, a sound man from films
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: and the whole deal, you know, and he and I
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: just went out to lunch, and I mean I didn't
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: have much to say. He's just talking and I'm listening.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: But that happened like four or five times in my
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: career where I was just with Bill Walsh like that,
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: and it just, I mean what I learned. So when
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: I watch quarterbacks, I think about doing it the right
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: way on every play. I don't think in terms of
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: man he can run around. Now, we know the games
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: evolved and changed, and you know, defenses have gotten a
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: little more detail, a lot more detail.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: They do a lot of different you know, we know
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: all that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: So the element of movement can be a factor, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: but obviously you can be great without it. I mean,
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: look at Tom Brady. You know he didn't have to
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: run around to be great. But the point is is
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: that that's what I think about when I watch quarterbacks.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: I think about playing the position the absolute right way
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: on every snap.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: You know. You know this.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Coaches don't roll the ball out and say, hey, let's
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: run around today and see what happens. You know, it's
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: everything is detailed.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I think if we when I Super Bowl Week, we
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: went to this like event for the nineteen eighty nine
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to forty nine ers in on stage it was Joe Ronnie,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, who's actually sneaky, very underrated.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: The place he would make. Jonathan Taylor could fly, Harris Barton,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you're talking, No, you're talking about the receiver John.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: John Taylor, John Taylor. Yeah, and he made some plays.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: They were kept talking like.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nine yard touchdowns against the Rams.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Just because he played with Jerry Rice overshadowed a little bit.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: You're watching him fly. You're like, this guy in this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: league to incredible.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: But I think it. Let's just take like three of the.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Best five quarterbacks of all time, Joe Tom Peyton, they couldn't.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Joe was more much more athletic than Joe had an
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: athletic feet, but he wasn't a run around guy. Yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: It was accuracy, timing, understanding, knowing like it's okay to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: dump the.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Ball, quarterback position exactly. Yeah. Has that been lost? Do
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you think in the NFL a little bit?
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's been lost among coaches. I think
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: it's been lost the way that media people and fans
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: talk about it, but it's not lost amongst coaches.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So like the two Super Bowls that Patrick won a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, in those two years where their
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: team wasn't as explosive.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It's like the nineteenth thas, right.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I look, because I was doing a segment he threw
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: he had one turnover in those seven playoff games. I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: bet if you went back and watched, he was closer
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to a game manager.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And they hate that urn. But just like managing the game,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: making sure I don't screw up.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Right, they beat the Ravens. They scored seventeen points, right,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I bet Bill Wals should have been like, that's the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: best that kid's ever played in those seven games playing
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: not the bombs to Tyreek Hill, right, But we love
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the bombs to Tyreek Hill.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Oh well, everybody loves that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm just saying that's the position to win
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the game at the biggest games that are in the
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: late teen, you know, seventeen to nineteen.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: The efficiency of the position comes from executing the subtleties
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: of the position play in and play out.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where the.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Efficiency comes from, you know. And and you know, obviously, look
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: who thought Walls thought Montana was a great prospect and
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: not many others did at the time because he saw
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: it in a different way. You know, he saw he
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: wasn't worried about arm strength or or what we now
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: call today arm talent. You know, he wasn't worried about that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: He was worried about the ability to play within timing,
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: throw the ball accurately, and accurately meant precise ball location,
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: not just you know, where do you throw it?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Not not just oh I'm throwing it to you, but
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: where do.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: You You watch these documentaries on the Niners that he
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: would like, make him redo it if Joe.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Ristine was off.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: It's funny you say that because one of the things
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: I did with the Walls of the times you would
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: talk is we went out and he brought out after
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: they'd retired Joe, Jerry, Rice and Roger.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Craig, and we're doing a piece.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm not there, and he's back coaching like
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Montana would make it throw and you go, no, Joe,
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: come on, we're doing that again that ball. I mean,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: he was coaching after they you know, they were all retired.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You know, like what would Bill Walsha about like Kleb Williams,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: who makes incredible plays in these biggest moments, but it's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: pretty inefficient right games.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: He would work every single day on his lower half
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: because his lower half can be all over the places
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: you probably know, and he would work every single day
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: on that because you know, he just misses too many
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: routine throws. He can make special plays, and obviously his
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: his arm in terms of the way the ball comes
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: out of his hand, is special, but you know, he
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: just misses too many routine throws.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: To me, you know, I would imagine Ben Johnson the Bears,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the layups, the basic stuff, because if he can do that,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: he can be a really good play right right, And
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that to me, all off season's the special down the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: he can do that in sleep. It's like, hey, a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: wheel route, you gotta hit this guy in stride. You
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: know you gotta be on time. He can do that,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: But but can you coach that up right?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: It's a really hard balance.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: I talked to a coach yesterday, and you know, because
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: I'm always fascinated by how you coach the quarterbacks that
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: have the ability to make special, improvisational plays, because on
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: the one hand, you don't want to tell a guy
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: never to do that, But on the other hand, those
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: guys tend to leave throws on the field because they
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: will leave the pocket too early. Because that's just the
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: way that they feel innately.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson started doing that. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't function.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Now his is a little different because of his size,
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: But even Mahomes, Josh Allen, those guys will leave throws
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: on the field within the structure of that particular past
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: design because for whatever reason, that's just who they are.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: So you know, my guess is you don't want to
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: tell them never to do that. But on the other hand,
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: if you know these coaches, as you know, work a lot,
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: and if they design it and it's there and it's clean,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: you want the guy to throw the ball.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's why some of those guys with
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the Walsh roots, even if it's indirect, like you know
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Shanahan or you know Andy didn't work for Walsh, but
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: he worked for Home right right, you know Alex Smith.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You see the guys that Shanahan likes, the Kubiaks, Mike Shannahan,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: who I don't think work.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: For Walsh but work for Seaford with right right right.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: They can be cool with Jake Plumber or you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they like Kirk Cousins, like they value things that go
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: back to those roots their offense.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: As you probably know, you know the way it is.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Let's say with Kyle Shanahan, who obviously is you know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: comes from his dad and comes down that tree. Maybe
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: it's not the pure Bill Walsh, but it's you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: more of that school. Let's say for those coaches, the
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: star is the play caller, you know, you know, in
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Kyle's offense, he's he's the star.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: He's the poster child of the team.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Right Whereas let's say a Josh McDaniel's offense, he's giving
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: the quarterback all the answers to the test, and the
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: quarterback has to figure out which answers apply based on
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: a given play call and what he sees from the defense.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Whereas with Kyle that's not the case at all. He's
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: the quarterback, as you know, he doesn't The quarterback doesn't
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: do anything. He's not calling the protections, he's not changing play.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: Granted, if he sees maybe an obvious blitz, maybe flip
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: it or yeah, yeah, but he's.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Not really doing a lot you know that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, The quarterback is the executor of the play callers play.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Kyla said that he and Cousins has talked about this.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Cousins fought for it, He gave him the opportunity to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: do it, and like the next day cousins like that's crazy.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I have like seven things on my plan. You take
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it back right right now, right, And there's only so
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: many Peyton Mannings or Brady's who can do it at
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that highway, correct, And that's what makes the position so crazy.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Like let's just say you flip Drake May and Brock Perty.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I think Drake made probably pretty good for Kyle, right,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I would agree, but the Party thing, the way they're
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: playing it would not probably look very good.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I bet Purdy could do it, you know, once he
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: got Yeah, but I just mean, like, just you carry
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the offense you play on, you would be a.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: Lot well right now, if Purdy all of a sudden
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: was dropped into a Jash McDaniels offense, he'd be lost
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: because that's not the way he's been coach to play
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: the game.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your take on Party?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Because he's a pretty polarizing play And I don't know
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: why I like wal liked him.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Purty you know again, you know people
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: like this and you know, is he the top five
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: of you?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I don't get into that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: I think he can execute Kyle's offense at a pretty
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: high level. And I think that's that's what the forty
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: nine ers want. You know, he can execute it at
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: a pretty high level.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't quite understand until I got here.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: You know, Sean Mannion goes back to Oregon State. I mean,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: he's got like pro style roots as a player, right
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: right right as a coach, right, that's what they're implementing
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: with the Eagles. So the idea you get rid of Stoutland,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: who's not that type of run game guy, that they
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: are going to be a version of the Kyle Shanahan
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: offense with Jalen Hurts is that the way you take
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it as well.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: That's what it sure seems like because of the people
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: they brought in to coach on offense. So in their mind,
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: they must believe that Jalen Hurts can do it. I'm
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: not going to sit here and say he can or can.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: You know they think he can. I would say that
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: the way Jajalen has played up to this point in
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: his career, that's not stylistically how he's played. You know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: he hasn't been a true timing rhythm guy. So they
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: must feel he can do it because that's what they've
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: committed to. That's what their offense is going to be. Now,
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: the question is did they bring did they change that
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: because of the run game? Because that run game in
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: that offense is really good with you know, now you're
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: going to see a lot more motions. You're going to
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: see a lot more pre snap movement, You're going to
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: see a lot of things that help the run game
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: because you know that pre snap movement emotions really helped
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: the run game as well. You know, in many ways
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: they helped the run game even more.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: What did you see when you were breaking down Jalen
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: this year?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: The struggles came from and they I mean, I don't
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: know if it ended up this way, but at one
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: point time in December they led the league in three
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and outs in that town.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. I know that can't happen now with those players.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't think to me, Jalen was any different,
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: you know, than he's always been. I mean, you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: keep in mind when they won the Super Bowl, they
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: were nine or ten games that year. Well, he didn't
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: throw for two hundred yards. They're not a passing team.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, they had the historic running season by Barkley
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: and the number one defense in the league, and Jalen
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: never turned it over and they were phenomenal on fourth down.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: So they were a sense of four down offense. If
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: they got past midfield and it became fourth or let's
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: say four and less, three and less, they were going
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: for it every time and they would convert because that's
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: where Jalen's mobility became a huge factor, even if he
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: didn't run, just you know, getting him out of the
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: pocket il around.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: So you know, they were not a passing team, so
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: I didn't I don't think he was necessarily any different.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Their run game was terrible, relatively speaking. Their old line
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: was bad. So you know, the question becomes can Jalen hurts?
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: And this is a this is a tough question because
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: the reality is, and this is the answer you get
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: and you can't argue it is. They've been in two
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: of the last four Super Bowls. He's played well in both.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: He was the MVP and one. And you know, so
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: when people say that, what do you say.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Nothing, right, I got a ring and I got a
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: lot of money, exactly right, what do you say?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: So? But you know, the.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Philly and I know how he they like winning games
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: now like Super a couple of years ago, and it's like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: can he win games?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: You look in that conference. Well, that's why they made
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: the change.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Obviously, they think that this change will be can't.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I can't lose that Niner team Sala rolled out me,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you and seven of us, I know, and that's got
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to be one of the worst losses in Eagles history.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: When you look at the talent gay, I.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: Would agree, and I'm sure that's why major changes were made.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So to me, like specifically with him, he's a dual
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: threat quarterback who no longer wants to run.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: It seems though. Yeah, I mean again, we're not in
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: the building. I don't know if he tells the coach.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just well, I'm standing, well, you watch him. They
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: don't call run plays, No, they don't.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: They could have the Niners could have been gashed by
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: He's a great runner like his I've always said I
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be a running back out of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: college because I think it was a bad college right,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: a prospect, right, But I thought, like, this guy could
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: be like Frank Gore because his natural feel. He's not
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: like a Lamar speed guy, but he clearly, just I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: don't really want to do it. They had one run
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: in that nighter game. I think they're called back like
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you could do this every play for like thirty yards.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: And by the way, in twenty twenty two when they
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: went to the Super Bowl and lost to the Chiefs,
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: that run stuff.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: The design run like ten carries a game. It was
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a huge part of their offense. Huge part.
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: But again, you know, I don't know. I don't know
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: if he tells the coaches. I don't want to write run.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to that, but it'll be
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: That's going to be one of the most interesting things
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: to watch is how that offense works, you know, which
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: is obviously a totally new offense.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and anytime and again this gets back to
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  Speaker 1: the Jalen things like well I got a ring, I'm
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  Speaker 1: one of the best players, Like, well this guy people
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  Speaker 1: think this guy's better, right. We all kind of think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Mahomes even though he didn't play that well
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  Speaker 1: last but his resume speaks for himself. Question Lamar and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Josh's resume speak for themselves. Herbert's a pretty polarizing player
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: because of the playoff games. I don't know where you stand.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he played for my team any
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  Speaker 1: day of the week.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you, and I think most people in
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  Speaker 6: the league would tell you that he's incredibly gifted.
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  Speaker 2: And then he's a really good player.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: You know, look this year, I mean he played behind
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: arguably the worst offensive line of football.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I mean they were playing backups to backups to backups.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, so he in a broken hand.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: I know, so we'll see. I mean, but yeah, he's
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: You talk to people in the league. They don't have
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: any issue with Justin Herbert.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I think one guy who's really impressed me the last
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: couple of years, and McCarthy deserves credit for this, is
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: again another guy playoffs that he had a three year
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: stretch where he just two of the games against the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: nine Ers.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: She was not good. But Dak's really become a really
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: good player.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: And if they do a good enough job, like if
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the version of he's at right now was on some
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of those teams like three years ago, they would be
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: a major factor. Again if he just played one of
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the player I thought the year they lost the Niners
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: in the second round, if he had just played like
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: he had been playing, they could have won the Super Bowl.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Their defense was awesome. I've been impressed with Dak's like
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Corinth as a player.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: But the point is is what you're talking about is
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: what we were talking about initially about the quarterback position
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: because Dak is well, he's not a statue. He's a
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: pocket quarterback man.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He doesn't move.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, why has he become a really good quarterback?
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Because he he executes the the you know, the nuances
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: of the position. He plays the position at a high
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: level from the pocket.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's Bill waltsh would like this version
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of Dak without question, without question.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: You know it's and as you know in college, now
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: there's Mendoza is a little bit of an admiration. But
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: college is not sending a lot of like true pocket
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks to the NFL. No, because you know Mendoza and
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: maybe this is an easy comparison and it's not an
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: exact one, but Mendoza would be more like the Gared
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: Goffs of the world. He's not a run around guy. Now,
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: could he run in a straight line if he has to? Yeah,
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: but he's not a playmaker.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: He's not like Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson. No, he's not
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: a playmaker. Yeah, my question is not that long ago.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: You just looked around the league, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, they all kind of look the same,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you know, six' four to sixty.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Six, yeah where did that human being? GO i, know
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: he's not playing college or high school. Football, no because
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: they have to still exist on this.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: Planet it's because what's happened now is it's, like, Look
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: i'm older than. You so WHEN i grew up in
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: my formative years and let's say the late sixties early,
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: seventies the two biggest sports In america were baseball in.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Boxing so where did the best? Athlete baseball play?
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: Shortstop so now what's happening is the best athlete is playing.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: Quarterback so now you're getting guys that are great. Athletes
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: so they can, run they can, move maybe they have big.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: ARMS i MEAN i would think a good example of
• 54:51
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• 54:54
  Speaker 6: The TEXAS a AND m.
• 54:55
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• 54:59
  Speaker 6: Really good, athletes pretty explosive, mover big. Arm you, KNOW
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: i haven't. STUDIED i don't know if he's a good
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: quarterback or, not BUT i mean those are the kinds
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: of players that now have become. Quarterbacks and those guys
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: because they can. Run you, know teams want to. Win
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: so whether you're in high school or, college the coach
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: wants to, win so they use what he, has which
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: is the ability to move and.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: RUN i THINK i read an article from Like Bruce
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: feldman coaches because now we get a lot because the
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: money's so.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Bright in, college coaches kind of bounce back and.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Forth and one THING i THINK i read, is you
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: know why some guys that bounce from THE nfl to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: college and it's a little difficult for them because in the,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: pros as a defensive, coordinator you defend the running back
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: right and the pass. Game but in college you defend
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the running, quarterback the running.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Back and the pass game.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Right it's a huge element of, it which, well and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: don't Forget Lamar jackson like five.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Years, no most people don't run that level offense in THE.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: Nfl the other thing about college which makes it, different
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: and you know this is the hash marks the wide
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: side of the field and just like The Grand, Canyon so,
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: SO i, mean you can do a lot of things
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: to the wide side of the field that are incredibly
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: difficult to. Defend there's just too much. Space THE nfl
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: is not like.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: That, no it's. Not it's.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Tighter, yeah BEFORE i get you out of, here this draft,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: CLASS i, mean you watch general, amount especially the tough,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: guys doesn't feel like a Who, no not a lot of.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Pols Jamar Chase's Joe all another non. QUARTERBACK i think
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: are The chiefs at nine gonna feel pretty. Good they're
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: gonna get as good of a player as a team at.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Four like what's the.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Difference that's my point is that it's not like there is, like,
• 56:37
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• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Drop, well you know how the draft.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: Works, normally there's probably in a normal year fifteen to
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: eighteen players that have true first round. GRADES i would
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: bet this year there's. Ten, Yeah AND i think the receiver,
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: Group i've done twelve. Receivers i'm done with. THEM i
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: would bet that those twelve, Receivers i'm not done with.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Receivers i've done with those. TWELVE i would bet that
• 57:00
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• 57:01
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• 57:05
  Speaker 6: you think he fits in your.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Scheme BECAUSE i don't think there's a.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: Receiver and this is my WHAT i feel based on
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: the tape study of these twelve, GUYS i don't think
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: there's a. Receiver you're gonna go, WOW i gotta have that.
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: Guy he can do.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Anything you're not big on THE usc, guy you, know
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: relative to where you see.
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: Him, YEAH i mean, again you, know AND i KNOW
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: i know what you mean by saying you're not. BIG
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: i think relative to, RIGHT i think that he's he's
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: gonna probably be five or eleven one ninety. Five he's
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: not a super. Athlete he's not truly. Explosive, yes he's very.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: Competitive the guy WHEN i finished watching who came to
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: my mind Was Kalios.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Shakir and you, KNOW i know someth round.
• 57:49
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• 57:52
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• 57:53
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• 57:55
  Speaker 6: Good, Yeah and it's really good run after, Catch and
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: that's all kind of reminded me.
• 58:01
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• 58:01
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• 58:03
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• 58:07
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• 58:11
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• 58:14
  Speaker 6: One and by the, way the one thing about, receivers
• 58:16
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• 58:20
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• 58:23
  Speaker 6: in the league and Catch lemon could go to a
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: team and catch eighty balls and people say he's, great you,
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: know AND i have no problem with, that but just
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: as an evaluation of the player and who he, is
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: he's not a top ten pick in a, draft but
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: he might.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Be well, You.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: SHAKIR i was with Some lions people last, night not
• 58:42
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• 58:44
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• 58:47
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• 58:50
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  Speaker 1: the second, round right. Right you know you can get.
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  Speaker 2: These physical guys historically later and then it.
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  Speaker 6: Depends, Look i'm Under Saint brown taking nothing away from
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  Speaker 6: him BECAUSE i stand that as far as competitiveness and all,
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  Speaker 6: that he's off the. Charts but he played in A
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  Speaker 6: Ben johnson offense that is maybe the best schemed pass
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  Speaker 6: terms of spacing of, routes how it all works, together
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  Speaker 6: you know the details of how you put together pass.
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  Speaker 2: Game he's really good. Though yeah, No i'm Saying Ben
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  Speaker 6: Good yeah, yeah, Yeah so again we're Not i'm not
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  Speaker 6: with him every. DAY i, mean he's probably great in
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  Speaker 6: so many. Ways but if you just look at like pure,
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  Speaker 6: Pooka puka is a fascinating. Guy he's, big he's. Physical
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  Speaker 6: have you ever seen a player like? HIM i, MEAN
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  Speaker 6: debo you, know at his best was. Similar when't you
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  Speaker 2: PUKA i mean He's puka's a better route runner. Probably.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah he's a fascinating. GUY i mean he's turned
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  Speaker 2: yeah he's better THAN i thought he'd.
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