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Brian with Judge Christopher McDowell 10/9/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 7 0 6 here at 55 KRC talk station, Brian
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  Speaker 1: Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday and happy to
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  Speaker 1: welcome into the 55 KRC morning show. He is running
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  Speaker 1: for judge. We need to vote for him. It's Chris
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  Speaker 1: McDowell in studio, judge McDowell. Thank you for showing up today.
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  Speaker 1: And I obviously off the, out of the gate, um,
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  Speaker 1: wish you all the best in the world. It's a
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  Speaker 1: huge concern among a lot of folks, including a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people in my listening audience. No one really pays
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  Speaker 1: close attention to the judicial races. You don't run under
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  Speaker 1: a party affiliation. You, so you, you, You have to
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  Speaker 1: earn the endorsement from the Republicans or Democrats. That's how
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  Speaker 1: people know who you're affiliated with or connected with anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But because so few people, thankfully, aren't involved in the
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  Speaker 1: judicial system or criminal justice system as a subset, they
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  Speaker 1: don't know. They don't know what it's like. And many
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  Speaker 1: people who, I mean, some people don't even understand the
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  Speaker 1: concept of, you know, judicial activism and judicial conservatism, conceptually even,
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  Speaker 1: to know one way or another whether any judge is qualified.
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  Speaker 1: Good to have you here in the morning show and welcome, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm very happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: It is my pleasure. Again, it's keepjudgemcdowell.com. It's a website.
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  Speaker 1: You can learn all about them. Let's start real quickly
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  Speaker 1: here because on the heels of Tech Friday with Dave Hatter,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to ask you about the judge
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  Speaker 1: throwing the observer out of the courtroom in the Hinton
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  Speaker 1: case using technology, the smart glasses. It records everything out there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as a judge, you're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: deal with this. And the other component is Not just
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  Speaker 1: that type of incident, but also something that really puts
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  Speaker 1: some concern in me is the proof beyond a reasonable
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  Speaker 1: doubt thing you need in a criminal justice case. With
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence turning out videos that look absolutely real, what
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  Speaker 1: do you anticipate being the challenges down the road with that?
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  Speaker 1: If I can even ask you that. I know we've
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  Speaker 1: got advisory opinion problems, but can you feel that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of questions at once.
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's compounded nature. I'll give you an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to just do a stream of consciousness response and throw
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  Speaker 1: in anything you want. Watch him do this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first, I would say that the jury pool and
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  Speaker 2: jurors need to be protected. And people who come into
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  Speaker 2: the courtroom, in the courthouse, you cannot video record because
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  Speaker 2: also witnesses need to be protected because we've had instances
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  Speaker 2: where witnesses were photographed and then that was put out
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  Speaker 2: there and then they were killed. And so you can't
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  Speaker 2: just record people in the courthouse, and that's one of
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  Speaker 2: the primary reasons. Secondary reason is jurors and the protection
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  Speaker 2: of jurors, because many people might want to try to
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  Speaker 2: bribe a juror, hurt a juror, talk to a juror.
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  Speaker 2: And so when I do a criminal case, they have numbers.
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  Speaker 2: I have their names, but it's juror number four, juror
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  Speaker 2: number six. They're never addressed by their last name. When
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  Speaker 2: I go through it, I'll say Joe S. But we
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  Speaker 2: need to protect jurors. And someone... filming a juror, particularly
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  Speaker 2: in this case, what she was doing was basically saying
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  Speaker 2: that the juror was an Uncle Tom. She was saying,
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  Speaker 2: this juror, this is a black juror. The juror is
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  Speaker 2: a sellout. And putting that information out into the internet
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  Speaker 2: placed that juror at risk. And I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: way of trying to influence that juror to get their
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  Speaker 2: friends to talk to them and so forth. It's really bad.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the elephant in the room for me as
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  Speaker 1: you say that, and I'm certain that goes on, The
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  Speaker 1: same thing probably happening to our elected officials. Threats, right?
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  Speaker 1: If you don't do something this way, then we are
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  Speaker 1: coming after you, whoever this collective we is that puts
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  Speaker 1: fears in the hearts and minds of a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: That really concerns me. And the other component is how
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  Speaker 1: do you deal with the video evidence, if there is any?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you know, technologically speaking,
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  Speaker 1: if there's a way to figure out where something is fake,
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  Speaker 1: but that has me concerned because any savvy defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: can easily put some reasonable doubt in someone's mind about
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  Speaker 1: whether it's real or not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it gets better and better every day. The
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  Speaker 2: AI technology gets better. It was like a little child
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  Speaker 2: a year ago, and now it's an adult. It's so
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  Speaker 2: much better than it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Judge McDowell's career. I thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much for your service to our country. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that you are a veteran, and you voluntarily
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  Speaker 1: entered the American military, and you also then became a
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  Speaker 1: judge advocate general with your law degree. So you represented
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  Speaker 1: the service members? Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: First- I am the only military veteran who is a
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  Speaker 2: judge or magistrate in Hamilton County. The only one. Times
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  Speaker 2: have changed. We don't have that in our courthouse anymore.
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  Speaker 2: People who have basically put their butt on the line
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  Speaker 2: for the Constitution. I'm the only one who's done that. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: first I was a military prosecutor in Korea. I was
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  Speaker 2: a military prosecutor for southern Germany, northern Africa, the former
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  Speaker 2: East Bloc countries. Then I did that so well they
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  Speaker 2: made me a defense attorney. And I volunteered for a
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  Speaker 2: deployment as a NATO peacekeeper to Bosnia. And that's where
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  Speaker 2: I met my wife, Anna Castellini, who obviously lives in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: The Army sent me to Fort Riley. They sent her
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  Speaker 2: to Fort Hood. They wouldn't put us together, so we
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  Speaker 2: both got out before 9-11, or we probably never.
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  Speaker 1: Would have gotten out. God has a way of planning things, sir.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you married out of your element or outkicked
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  Speaker 1: your coverage like I did.
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  Speaker 2: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you did.
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  Speaker 2: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Now, on to the practice of law. You were over
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  Speaker 1: at Dinsmore and Scholl. I have that right? And you
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  Speaker 1: did all kinds of types of cases, both civil and
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  Speaker 1: criminal with Dinsmore? That's right.
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  Speaker 2: One, before I became a judge, I was the prosecutor
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  Speaker 2: in the city of Wyoming, also the prosecutor for the
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  Speaker 2: village of Newtown. I've both prosecuted murder cases and defended
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  Speaker 2: murder cases. On the civil side, I've done multi-million dollar
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  Speaker 2: civil cases from the plaintiff's side and the defense side.
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  Speaker 2: So I cover all aspects of what a common pleas
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  Speaker 2: judge does. People get confused about the levels of judges.
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  Speaker 2: Common pleas court, we deal with the serious felonies, the murderers,
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  Speaker 2: the rapists, and the big dollar civil cases. We don't
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  Speaker 2: deal with traffic cases. And so I've done those cases.
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  Speaker 2: I've got the most experience. My opponent, according to the
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  Speaker 2: Hamilton County Clerk of Courts, has never tried a case,
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  Speaker 2: civil or criminal, and the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas.
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  Speaker 1: And there is where the rubber meets the road. I
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  Speaker 1: was literally just going to ask you, how important is it?
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  Speaker 1: Because I know the importance. Never sat on the bench before, but,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been in front of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: judges in my legal career, and that's where, as a
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  Speaker 1: practicing attorney and trying cases and being in front of judges,
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  Speaker 1: you learn who the good ones are and who they aren't.
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  Speaker 1: And you also learn what it is to be a
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  Speaker 1: good judge and be fair and equitable because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Quite often, you find yourself on the short end of
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  Speaker 1: the receiving side of a judge who's obviously biased.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And it's so important that as a judge, you
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  Speaker 2: make split-second decisions that are so important to people's lives.
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  Speaker 2: And you have to have a background to make informed,
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  Speaker 2: good decisions so quickly. And that comes from experience. And
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  Speaker 2: there's no substitute for experience. The first time you see
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  Speaker 2: an Ohio murder case, you should not be the judge.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's as simple as that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't understand, honestly, how you could
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  Speaker 1: be a judge if you have never tried a case.
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  Speaker 1: Evidentiary issues alone.
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  Speaker 2: The civil case aspect of it is even more significant.
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  Speaker 2: In civil cases, they file motion after motion. There's so
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  Speaker 2: many more issues in a civil case that go on.
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  Speaker 2: Jury selection. differs from state to state. You have to
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  Speaker 2: know the Ohio jury selection rules the voir dire. And
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  Speaker 2: just to be doing that on the fly, that's not
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  Speaker 2: the kind of judge you want.
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  Speaker 1: No, it isn't. I used to practice civil litigation. We
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  Speaker 1: used to call it scorched earth litigation when I was
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  Speaker 1: up in Chicago. Yeah, there's a lot of work, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of evidence, and a lot of motions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have over 600 cases on my docket. And
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  Speaker 2: the majority of those are actually civil cases. I have
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  Speaker 2: 16 murder cases that were on my docket. I have
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  Speaker 2: so many murder cases, it's hard for me to keep
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  Speaker 2: them straight. It's really amazing the level of crime that
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  Speaker 2: goes on. I do my own arraignments in serious felony
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  Speaker 2: cases to make sure that bond is set appropriately to
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  Speaker 2: protect society.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there's that bond thing. So you have a perception
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  Speaker 1: that bond is appropriate, that the public is in need
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  Speaker 1: of some measure of protection from time to time. Right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: There are flight risks out there. So you don't go
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  Speaker 1: zero bond in every case that comes into your courtroom,
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  Speaker 1: I presume.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. You know, we passed a constitutional
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  Speaker 2: amendment in Ohio that requires judges to take into consideration
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  Speaker 2: public safety when they set a bond. And we have judges,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you, quite frankly, who are not doing that.
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  Speaker 2: What people don't understand, if somebody commits, for example, a murder,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have jurisdiction over that case until the person's
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  Speaker 2: been indicted. The municipal court judge in room A sets
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  Speaker 2: the initial bond. I have cases with people who have
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  Speaker 2: felonies of the first degree where I'm doing the arraignment
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  Speaker 2: and they're not in my courtroom. And I'm like, where
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  Speaker 2: are they? And they said, well, judge, they bonded themselves
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  Speaker 2: out last night. And I look at the bond. For
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  Speaker 2: an F1, it'll be $ 2, 000 at 10% on a felony
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  Speaker 2: of the first degree where you're looking at 11 years
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  Speaker 2: in prison and walking out. And I have to issue
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  Speaker 2: warrants for people to come in there so I can
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  Speaker 2: set an appropriate bond. I'll tell you this. Since I've
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  Speaker 2: been a judge, no one out on bond to a case–
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  Speaker 2: that's been on my docket, has committed another violent crime.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we need to hear. He's in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: He is Judge Christopher McDowell, and you can help him out.
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  Speaker 1: Check out his website. Learn all about his past, his history,
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  Speaker 1: and we need to get him on the bench for
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  Speaker 1: another term right there at keepjudgemcdowell.com. We're going to continue
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  Speaker 1: the conversation. Right now, it's 715 at 55 KRC, the
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  Speaker 1: talk station. 719, 55 KRC, the talk station. Very, very
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  Speaker 1: happy Friday to you. Judge McDowell in studio. You can
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  Speaker 1: vote Chris McDowell. And again, keep judgemcdowell.com to help him out.
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  Speaker 1: Can I maybe get a yard sign? Judge McDowell, you
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  Speaker 1: have yard signs. I've seen them around. I do.
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  Speaker 2: I have them in my car. if you want one.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Here's a thought exercise. It wasn't that long ago,
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  Speaker 1: almost on a weekly basis, if not more often, we
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  Speaker 1: were hearing tales of woe about overcrowding at the jail. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of curious because crime, I know
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  Speaker 1: crime statistically has gone down, but I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: gone down enough to create the situation, which I apparently
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  Speaker 1: know about now because you told me off air, but
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  Speaker 1: did they fix the problem or is this really the
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  Speaker 1: judiciary in Hamilton County, which has given us a false
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  Speaker 1: sense of safety here? Because I don't think the jail
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  Speaker 1: is empty at all right now.
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  Speaker 2: No, well, if you harken back to when we closed
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  Speaker 2: down the Queensgate jail, and that was hundreds of beds
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  Speaker 2: that were closed down. And when they closed down Queensgate,
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  Speaker 2: we were told we were going to, have to build
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  Speaker 2: a new jail. We heard all this. We need to
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  Speaker 2: get a funding. We need to build a new jail.
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  Speaker 2: When's the last time you heard about building a new jail?
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  Speaker 2: The reason is because we can't fill this jail that
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  Speaker 2: we have right now. They've closed sections of the jail entirely.
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  Speaker 2: There are over 260 empty beds in the jail right now,
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  Speaker 2: and that's because these progressive judges are not holding people accountable.
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  Speaker 2: It's even worse in the juvenile system at 2020. I'm
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  Speaker 2: told that the 2020 detention center is basically empty.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the cops have told me that lots of times, um,
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  Speaker 1: FFP president Ken Coburn has been on the show. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like a pointless exercise to pick up a juvenile
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  Speaker 1: because they're just going to let them go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like the hotel on the shining, totally empty. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and that's because people are in juveniles in particular are
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  Speaker 2: not being held accountable. Then they turn 18 years old
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  Speaker 2: and they're used to the slap on the wrist. They
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  Speaker 2: steal a gun like they've done before they come into
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  Speaker 2: my courtroom and Oh, and lo and behold, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to prison. And they're shocked, shocked that somebody would hold
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  Speaker 2: them accountable. And it's a very unfortunate thing that we
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  Speaker 2: have going on here. We have empty beds because judges
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  Speaker 2: are not holding people accountable. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Frightening stuff. Next question. So you deal with the bonds
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  Speaker 1: appropriately on the front end, considering public safety, of course,
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  Speaker 1: because that's one of the reasons for higher bonds. What
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  Speaker 1: about the backside? Probation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the backside of probation. Now, There are a certain
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  Speaker 2: element of society here who are addicted to drugs. And
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  Speaker 2: I never want to put, for example, a drug addict
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  Speaker 2: in prison if I can avoid it. I always give
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  Speaker 2: them an opportunity to get treatment because if I can
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  Speaker 2: get them treatment, that is the least expensive route. The
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  Speaker 2: reason they're breaking into your car and committing crimes is
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  Speaker 2: because they're a drug addict. If we can get that
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  Speaker 2: demon out of them, then we eliminate why they're breaking
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  Speaker 2: into things and doing crimes. But... So I put those
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  Speaker 2: people on probation, and when I do, I put them
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  Speaker 2: on strict probation. The progressive judges have taken over our
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  Speaker 2: probation office. We've closed these probation substations throughout the city.
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  Speaker 2: I say we, not me. The Republican judges voted to
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  Speaker 2: keep those substations open. Those substations were so important to
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  Speaker 2: those communities that they donated buildings to the city. The
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  Speaker 2: city was paying nothing. The county was paying no rent
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  Speaker 2: for those buildings because those communities felt it was so
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  Speaker 2: important to have those people there. So if somebody is
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  Speaker 2: on probation, one of the things I want them to
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  Speaker 2: have is a job. Now, instead of walking into their
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  Speaker 2: nearby substation, they have to get on a bus and
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  Speaker 2: go all the way downtown. And so they miss a
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  Speaker 2: half a day of work and it's very difficult for
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  Speaker 2: them to keep a job. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
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  Speaker 2: If you're on probation, I order you to get a job,
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  Speaker 2: a real job with a W-2, not working for your uncle,
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  Speaker 2: getting paid under the table, but a real job. The
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  Speaker 2: other thing is they have the system of rewards. Now,
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  Speaker 2: have you heard about this? If you're on probation, if
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  Speaker 2: you do well on probation, then they start giving you rewards.
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  Speaker 2: The rewards can include things like gift cards to get groceries,
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  Speaker 2: other things. At one point, it did include Cincinnati Reds tickets.
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  Speaker 2: But most concerning, as a reward, they allow somebody as
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  Speaker 2: a reward to skip a urinalysis.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. What? Yes, and I'm putting people who are drug
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  Speaker 2: addicts on probation, and then as.
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  Speaker 1: A reward— Get out of jail free card for one
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  Speaker 1: drug test, Skip? That's what that is?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's outrageous. And so if you're a drug addict,
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  Speaker 2: you're jonesing for drugs. And so if you know that
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  Speaker 2: you can use drugs and not be caught, then what
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  Speaker 2: happens is you just start to spiral back down out
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  Speaker 2: of control.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: That's not a reward. A reward should be you have
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  Speaker 2: more drug testing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, the little libertarian in me is
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  Speaker 1: always for years saying, you know, I don't believe in
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  Speaker 1: criminalizing self-abuse. If you're going to abuse drugs, you're doing
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  Speaker 1: yourself a massive problem and you're probably going to end
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  Speaker 1: up dying. But why should I throw you in jail
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  Speaker 1: for something you're doing to yourself? But the reason is,
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  Speaker 1: and this is where the tough on the drug use
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  Speaker 1: is really compassion to your point. I transferred my views
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  Speaker 1: or I changed my viewpoint because the only way to
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  Speaker 1: help that person is to get them into rehabilitation. The
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  Speaker 1: only way to get them into rehabilitation sometimes is is
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  Speaker 1: the involvement of the criminal justice system. You give them
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  Speaker 1: the option. You want to go to jail? No? Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? We want to solve your problem. We
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  Speaker 1: are compassionate in our treatment of you because we are
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  Speaker 1: offering you those services which you so desperately need. Why
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  Speaker 1: not take us up on the offer?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, I have asked over 30 fentanyl addicts this
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  Speaker 2: one question, the same question. I ask them, where is
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  Speaker 2: this leading you? Where is this going for you? And
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  Speaker 2: I always get the same one-word answer, death.
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  Speaker 1: Death.
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  Speaker 2: Death. And I'll ask them, do you want to die?
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to live? Do you want life? Do
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  Speaker 2: you want to have your life back? And if they
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  Speaker 2: say they want to have their life back, absolutely. I
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  Speaker 2: want to give them their life back. I want to
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  Speaker 2: give somebody their mother back. I want to give somebody
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  Speaker 2: their daughter back, society back, a productive citizen again. If
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  Speaker 2: I just warehouse them for six months, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: come out with being the same drug addict that they
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  Speaker 2: were going in.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And they'll probably learn some more nefarious tricks while
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  Speaker 1: they're locked up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if not used while they're locked up because we
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  Speaker 2: have a problem with drugs in the jail. Believe me,
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  Speaker 2: we have a problem with drugs in our jail right now.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: It's a leadership issue on that one, I would say.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Keepjudgemcdowell.com. Sounds like a great idea to me. Judge McDowell,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: it has been a pleasure talking with you, having you
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: in the studio. I look forward to maybe doing it
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: again before the election. And guess what? We can all
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: go out and vote as early as today, can't we?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, you can go down there today. I went down there.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I've already voted.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Good for you. Leading by example.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Fast and easy.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Thanks for all the great work you've done on the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: bench so far, and I sure hope that the listening
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: audience considers you and also takes friends and recommends voting
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Judge McDowell as well. You would probably say the same
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: thing about Leah Denkelocher and Magistrate Lukin, too.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Love them. They're great. And Judge Katie Cash and Winkler.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: We have a wonderful, highly qualified ticket. Yeah.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: GOPjudges.com. They can get the whole list. Judge McDowell, it's
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: great having you in.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Take care, my friend. 726 right now, 55KRC, The Talk Station.