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Episode 32_ Lori Vallow _ The Murder of Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I'm Andrea and I'm Haley, and you're listening
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Speaker 1: So the case I'm going to be covering today, like
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Speaker 1: I said, I think I said, is still ongoing, So
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Speaker 1: there's there's going to be a conclusion. There's definitely going
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Speaker 1: to be a nice, big fat conclusion, but for now,
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Speaker 1: it's ongoing, and I am going to be covering the
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Speaker 1: case of Lourie Valo, Chad Dabell and Laurie's children, Tylie
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Speaker 1: and JJ. So Laurie Valo, who was born lour Cox,
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Speaker 1: was born in nineteen seventy three. In nineteen ninety two,
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Speaker 1: when she was nineteen years old, she married her high
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Speaker 1: school sweetheart, but the couple didn't last long and soon
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Speaker 1: after they got a divorce. Yeah, don't say all, I'm
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Speaker 1: just kidding. I mean, yeah, it is sad. It is sad.
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Speaker 1: But look that okay. So when Lourie was twenty two
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five, she married again, and this time
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Speaker 1: she married a man named William Lagoya and they had
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Speaker 1: a son together named Colby. But soon after they too
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Speaker 1: got divorced.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, she married another man named
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, and he actually adopted her son, Colby, and
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Speaker 1: then the couple went on to have a child of
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Speaker 1: their own, and her name was Tylee. Oh.
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Speaker 2: I like that name.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very original. I've never heard that name before. Yea,
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Speaker 1: It's like Kylie and Tyler.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So, in two thousand and four, however, Joseph filed for
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Speaker 1: divorce and things got pretty messy. Due to the fact
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Speaker 1: they had children, they couldn't make a clean break and
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Speaker 1: therefore couldn't agree on the terms of their divorce, which
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Speaker 1: is common, I mean, unfortunately, it's you know, kids make
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Speaker 1: things a little bit more difficult, and to make matters worse,
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Speaker 1: Joseph was attacked by Laurie's brother Alex in twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: or excuse me, two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Allegedly, Laurie told her brother that she and the
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Speaker 1: children were being abused and like by Joseph and made
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Speaker 1: some pretty harmful allegations against him, and Alex spent ninety
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Speaker 1: days in jail for this crime. While in jail, he
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Speaker 1: made more threats towards Joseph, such as giving his picture
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Speaker 1: an address to other inmates and saying that he was
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Speaker 1: going to have them quote unquote take care of the situation.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the things that she was saying about Joseph,
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Speaker 1: none of it really was proven to be true. So
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Speaker 1: it was just kind of her word against his. So
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Speaker 1: keep that in your back pocket. So Laurie, Now, in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and six, she remarried again, this time to
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Speaker 1: a man named Charles Valo. Charles was a member of
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Speaker 1: the LDS community, which is the Latter Day Saints, as
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Speaker 1: was Laurie. And Charles had two sons from a previous relationship,
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Speaker 1: and then him and Laurie actually went on to adopt
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Speaker 1: his great excuse, his grand nephew JJ. So his sister's
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Speaker 1: daughter was unable to take care of her son, and
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Speaker 1: so he offered to adopt him.
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Speaker 2: So it's his sister's grandson.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And there's there's no information as to why she
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Speaker 1: herself didn't adopt JJ, but he was on the autism spectrum.
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Speaker 1: So there was some you know, speculation that the mother
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Speaker 1: couldn't handle that, and so she kind of relinquished her rights,
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Speaker 1: which is so sad. Okay, Yeah, So then the family
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Speaker 1: moved from Arizona to Hawaii for about two years, and
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Speaker 1: then they eventually relocated back to Arizona. So Laurie was
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Speaker 1: pretty devout in her faith, and she had began reading
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Speaker 1: a series by Chad Dabel called Standing in Holy Places,
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Speaker 1: which were books basically about doomsday, end of times, all
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Speaker 1: in a religious fashion. From all accounts, Laurie became pretty
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Speaker 1: obsessed with the series and as a result, she began
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Speaker 1: to follow some subgroups of the LDS church. However, a
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Speaker 1: lot of these teachings were not recognized by the LDS community,
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Speaker 1: Like it was pretty extreme stuff and some of it
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Speaker 1: was just really off the wall, and the LDS community
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Speaker 1: later said, like, we didn't at all support those teachings
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Speaker 1: or those learnings or anything. Right, So Laurie got really
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Speaker 1: into a woman named Julie Rowe who was a podcaster
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Speaker 1: and a self proclaimed clairvoyant. She was also in the
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Speaker 1: LDS community, and this Julie character was also in close
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Speaker 1: ties with Chad Davel, the author of the series that
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Speaker 1: I was mentioning before. Okay, so you can see why
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Speaker 1: Laurie probably got really into her because she was really
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Speaker 1: into those books, right, But due to Julie's radical beliefs
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Speaker 1: and teaching, she was actually actually exiled from the LDS Church,
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Speaker 1: which is a pretty big deal. Yeah, So between these
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Speaker 1: two things, I feel like this sent Laurie into a
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Speaker 1: spiral of disturbing thoughts and behaviors. And Chad he was
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Speaker 1: kind of on the same wavelength wavelength mentally, like he
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Speaker 1: was really into some of that radical teaching, but he
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Speaker 1: was married and had five kids and lived in Idaho,
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Speaker 1: so you know, there wasn't a lot of back and forth,
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Speaker 1: you know, going on between them at all. So Chad,
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, he had some really radical beliefs
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Speaker 1: and he believed that he had crossed over to the
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Speaker 1: quote unquote other side due to some near death experiences
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Speaker 1: he had had, which was the same thing the Julie
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Speaker 1: Row lady had mentioned, like in her podcast and some
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Speaker 1: of her stuff that she had, you know, died and
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Speaker 1: come back to life, and that's why she was able
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Speaker 1: to have like these clairvoyant you know, gifts.
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Speaker 2: Right. I'm all for people like believing whatever they want. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: as long as it doesn't lead to harm of themselves
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Speaker 2: or others.
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Speaker 1: Right, And that's you know, My next line is literally,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I definitely believe that people have
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Speaker 1: these experiences and people can have special gifts. I definitely
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Speaker 1: think that's a real thing. But with these people, it
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Speaker 1: just sounds like they were looking for attention and so
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Speaker 1: they were kind of making up some stuff or maybe
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Speaker 1: they believed it in their own heads. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but they kind of went off the deep end with
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Speaker 1: this information. So extremists in any group, any group can
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Speaker 1: often leave to not good outcomes and circumstances. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: within his extremist community, Chad became a bit of a
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Speaker 1: celebrity due to his you know books that he had
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Speaker 1: written in his tellings of his you know crossing over
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Speaker 1: to the other side, and he had a lot of
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Speaker 1: stories and people often referred to his group as a
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Speaker 1: quote unquote doomsday cult. Oh God, which when you start
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Speaker 1: throwing around that cult word, that brings a whole new
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Speaker 1: light to whatever you're trying to do. It doesn't sound good.
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Speaker 2: This is giving me vibes of have you watched The
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Speaker 2: Sinner on Netflix?
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Speaker 1: Yes, that was such a good show.
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Speaker 2: The one season that's like I think you're actually the
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Speaker 2: one told me to watch it, but the one season
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Speaker 2: where it was like the one guy. Yeah, like this
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Speaker 2: is giving me those vibes.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So back to Laurie again. It's now twenty eighteen
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Speaker 1: and Joseph, which is Laurie's ex and Tylee's biological father,
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Speaker 1: was found dead in his apartment. Oh my god. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a neighbor had smelt a rancid smell and called police. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they actually had to he had an additional lock on
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Speaker 1: his door, so like he rented an apartment, and you know,
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Speaker 1: typically you just use the locks of the apartment had,
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Speaker 1: but he had installed his own lock, and so they
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Speaker 1: were unable to get into his apartment. So they had
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Speaker 1: to actually get a ladder and climb up to his
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Speaker 1: balcony and like break through the balcony door. I guess
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Speaker 1: it was unlocked maybe to enter the apartment. And when
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Speaker 1: they entered the apartment, they found Joseph's body which was
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Speaker 1: severely decomposed, like bugs had entered and everything.
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Speaker 2: That's so disgusting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so during his autopsy, it was discovered that he
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Speaker 1: had had a heart attack, and soon after he was cremated.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so he died of a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. His life insurance policy went to Laurie until Tyler
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Speaker 1: was old enough to collect for herself, which is common,
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Speaker 1: you know, right in that situation. But there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of speculation that she immediately used the money. And
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Speaker 1: it's worth noting that there was actually a recording of
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Speaker 1: Lori during a teaching at her church stating how she
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Speaker 1: was going to murder Joseph but had decided to turn
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Speaker 1: that anger into energy for her faith.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm pretty sure any time you say I'm going
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Speaker 2: to murder somebody that that can be used as like,
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Speaker 2: you know, evidence suspicion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, But I guess it never went anywhere because
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Speaker 1: I mean, he had a heart attack, which you can
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Speaker 1: make people have heart attacks. True, So I don't know,
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Speaker 1: But due to the fact that his body was decomposed
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Speaker 1: and cremated, there was really nothing more they could look
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Speaker 1: into concerning the events of his death. Plus he was
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Speaker 1: fifty nine at the time, so they just were like,
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Speaker 1: it's probably in a hostile Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question, did they think at all
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Speaker 2: that it was suspicious that he was cremated.
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Speaker 1: No, that was his wishes at the time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, gotcha.
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Speaker 1: So in twenty eighteen, Lauri goes to this event in
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Speaker 1: Utah called Preparing the People, and there she finally got
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Speaker 1: to meet Chad day Belle Dum. I know. Chad had
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Speaker 1: a book stand there, and Laurie went right up to
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Speaker 1: him and introduced herself. They clicked immediately. Chad actually told
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Speaker 1: Laurie that they had been married many times in their
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Speaker 1: past lives, which I guess is something common in the
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Speaker 1: LDS faith, that you are born again over and over.
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Speaker 2: Right, and then you like marry the same person.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think you have different lives. So I guess
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Speaker 1: he's saying that, like because of his special gifts, he
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Speaker 1: knows that they were married before. Okay, as different people
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Speaker 1: in different lives.
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Speaker 2: Okay, to each their own. Everybody can believe what they
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Speaker 2: want to believe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if that's what you believe. I just
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Speaker 1: didn't know for sure if that was like like actually
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Speaker 1: something that they believed, or if that was just what
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Speaker 1: one source said, you know, So if I'm wrong, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but that's what my source said. Okay, and I will
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Speaker 1: have all the sources linked down in the show notes.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, which, by the way, I heard on Morbid
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Speaker 2: the other day that they were saying that a lot
13:17
Speaker 2: of people don't know what the show notes are, so
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Speaker 2: they were explaining it. So I thought that it would
13:21
Speaker 2: be a good idea to just explain the show notes are,
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Speaker 2: like the description. Oh yeah, your podcast app I didn't
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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it makes sense. I didn't know
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Speaker 2: what show notes were before I listened to podcasts, and
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Speaker 2: that's what the Morbid hosts were saying, and I was like,
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Speaker 2: you know what, that would be a good thing to
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Speaker 2: say on our podcast. So yeah, if you didn't know,
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Speaker 2: that's how you get the show notes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, scroll the way down to the episode, like in
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Speaker 1: the episode and it'll be down there. Then later in
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Speaker 1: that same year, there was another event the same preparing
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Speaker 1: the people type event. This time, however, it was in Arizona,
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Speaker 1: and since Laurie Laurie's then husband Charles was out of town,
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Speaker 1: Laurie invited and another friend of hers, Melanie and She'll
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Speaker 1: come up a lot in the story, to stay with
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Speaker 1: her at her home during the event. Melanie reported that
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Speaker 1: Laurie and Chad spent a lot of a long time
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Speaker 1: together during this trip, and she had some suspicions. So
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Speaker 1: in January of twenty nineteen, while Charles was out of
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Speaker 1: town for work, Laurie finally decides to leave Charles. But
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Speaker 1: this bitch I would have been, I would have So
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Speaker 1: she canceled his flight home, and then she took thirty
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars out of their joint bank account, which
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Speaker 1: was basically all the money that they had. He was
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Speaker 1: left with like ten dollars to his freaking name. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god. Yeah. So she also took the children, Hyley
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Speaker 1: and JJ which Tylie was her daughter and you know,
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Speaker 1: JJ was the adopted child that they had together, and
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Speaker 1: her oldest son, Colby, which I mentioned at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the story. He was already grown and out of
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Speaker 1: the home at this point, so he was doing his
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Speaker 1: own thing. Somehow, Charles managed to get home and he
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Speaker 1: immediately called the police, and he soon realized not only
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Speaker 1: had she wiped their bank account, but she also took
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Speaker 1: everything out of their home, so just all around shitty, yeah, shitty, shitty, shitty.
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Speaker 1: Charles was worried about the safety of the children, and
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Speaker 1: he called the police to basically do a well check
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Speaker 1: on Lourie, because Laurie had been displaying some behaviors that
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Speaker 1: were concerning to Charles to go along with like her
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Speaker 1: radical beliefs and stuff, which he was not like hip
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Speaker 1: to at all. He wasn't down for all that madness.
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Speaker 1: He told police that Laurie had said, quote, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to kill you. You're going to be murdered today or tomorrow, hey,
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Speaker 1: which I guess she had like kind of claimed that
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Speaker 1: like God or you know, whoever she believes in or
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Speaker 1: worships or whatever, had like told her that.
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Speaker 2: Again to each your own, Well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think the God that I
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Speaker 1: worship tells people to kill people, because that's just not
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Speaker 1: like the right thing to do. You're supposed to be
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Speaker 1: like a good person, and killing people is not a
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Speaker 1: good thing at all. But she was kind of, you know,
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Speaker 1: all for Rocker at this point, Okay. Laurie also tells
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Speaker 1: police that Charles had been cheating on her and that
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Speaker 1: he was abusive, and Charles immediately rushed to the police
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Speaker 1: department to meet with the police, and he had asked
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Speaker 1: them over the phone to do like a mental health
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Speaker 1: check on Laurie. And so he when he got there,
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Speaker 1: he double checked to see if they were going to
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Speaker 1: do that. The police had also reached out to Laurie
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Speaker 1: and Charles's LDS bishop, who had witnessed and confirmed Laurie's
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Speaker 1: concerning behaviors. However, he had no evidence at that time
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Speaker 1: that she was making any threats to herself, the kids,
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Speaker 1: or Charles. And Laurie was not taken that day for
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Speaker 1: the mental health evaluation. However, it is documented that a
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Speaker 1: couple of days later she admitted herself and she passed
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Speaker 1: the evaluation with flying colors, which is like.
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Speaker 2: How, of course, how that reminds me of Josh Powell
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Speaker 2: and he did like a court mandated evaluation and that
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Speaker 2: that evaluator determined nothing was wrong and he ended up
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Speaker 2: murdering his two sons. So like, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 2: they're doing they're just doing their jobs and from their job,
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Speaker 2: like from their what.
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Speaker 1: They're checking off to do, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But you never know, people can be very good manipulators
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Speaker 2: and hide stuff and yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yep, you're right. So in February of twenty nineteen, Charles
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Speaker 1: filed for divorce from Laurie, and he also filed for
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Speaker 1: temporary custody of JJ. I don't think he adopted Tyly,
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Speaker 1: so fortunately, there wasn't much he could do concerning her.
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Speaker 1: He also requested that the money his and JJ's belongings
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Speaker 1: all be returned. But at this point, Laurie was currently
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Speaker 1: MI I A and she stayed MIA which is missing
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Speaker 1: in action, for almost two months. I think it was
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Speaker 1: like fifty seven or fifty eight days something like that. Okay,
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Speaker 1: no one could get in touch with her, no one
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Speaker 1: knew where she was. She was just poof right into dinner. Luckily, though,
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Speaker 1: at this time, JJ was in the care of Charles
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Speaker 1: and Tylee was staying with another family member or family friend. Strangely, though,
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Speaker 1: in March of twenty nineteen, Charles decided to drop the
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Speaker 1: petition for divorce and seemingly wanted to try and reconcile
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Speaker 1: his marriage with Laurie, which like what.
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Speaker 2: Like randomly, Yeah, that's a little weird.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if it was like any other circumstances, I'd
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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, you know, give it another go give it,
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Speaker 1: you know, try it, try to make it work. But
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Speaker 1: like all she said she was going to murder her,
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Speaker 1: or said she said he was going hold on, she
18:52
Speaker 1: said she was going to murder him, like right now,
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Speaker 1: why would you get back?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: No, no, But due to an incident that occurred soon
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Speaker 1: after between Alex, Laurie's brother, and Charles, Charles would never
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Speaker 1: get that opportunity. According to Alex, Charles tried to attack
19:13
Speaker 1: Alex with a baseball bat, and Alex ran and retrieved
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Speaker 1: a gun and shot Charles in the chest in quote
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Speaker 1: unquote self defense.
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Speaker 2: Ah, I see, and.
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Speaker 1: Charles succumbed to his injuries unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Okay. When paramedics arrived on scene, they stated that they
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Speaker 1: did not see any evidence that CPR had been performed,
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Speaker 1: which Alex had told the dispatcher over the nine one
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Speaker 1: one call he had attempted because if you give CPR
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Speaker 1: to a gunshot victim, there will be large amounts of
19:51
Speaker 1: pooled blood and there was. There was just the pool
19:54
Speaker 1: of blood that was expected to be there after shot.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you wouldn't have it. There's no indication that
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Speaker 2: he had tried to save him.
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Speaker 1: Correct, And surprisingly enough, Alex is not arrested or charged
20:09
Speaker 1: with this incident at all. Wow. And then Lourie, who
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Speaker 1: is Charles's wife, mind you, went on to have a
20:16
Speaker 1: pool party at her home that evening, So the same home,
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Speaker 1: the same home that her husband had just been killed.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me. Yeah, even if even if.
20:29
Speaker 2: She didn't like him anymore, Like, somebody was just killed
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Speaker 2: in your home, you don't have a pool party. I'm sorry,
20:37
Speaker 2: but no, no.
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Speaker 1: You don't. And it was reported by police that she
20:41
Speaker 1: was like laughing and like joking, and she like when
20:46
Speaker 1: they did her interview, like of the accounts that happened,
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Speaker 1: and she's like, huh, my neighbors are gonna hate us
20:52
Speaker 1: after this. We just moved into the neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Like what, that's not something to joke again, even if
20:59
Speaker 2: you don't like him anymore, and you like whatever, you're
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Speaker 2: not sad that he died. Somebody was killed in your house.
21:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, have some kouth, right. It is also reported that
21:13
Speaker 1: Laurie notified Charles's other two adult children that their father
21:17
Speaker 1: had died over text message and they were trying I know,
21:21
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's pasteless, weird, Yeah, And they were like
21:24
Speaker 1: desperately trying to get information from her and like she
21:27
Speaker 1: just was not responding. And it suspected that the reason
21:31
Speaker 1: why she didn't want to divulge that information to the
21:35
Speaker 1: children is because their father's death was not what it
21:41
Speaker 1: appeared to be and they and she knew that they
21:42
Speaker 1: would most likely definitely want an investigation to occur.
21:48
Speaker 2: Right, and she probably didn't want to say anything that
21:50
Speaker 2: like wasn't what she was going to tell the police
21:53
Speaker 2: or whatever, like, she didn't want to incriminate herself exactly.
21:57
Speaker 1: And then Alex good all out he so this is
22:02
Speaker 1: the second time he's attacked one of her men's.
22:06
Speaker 2: One of her mans keeps.
22:07
Speaker 1: That in your back pocket too. Yeah. So he left
22:11
Speaker 1: the country and flew to Colombia for several months. So Colombia,
22:17
Speaker 1: like the country is what do they call it, like
22:21
Speaker 1: when you like you can't avoid extra extradition, extra extradition, extradition,
22:30
Speaker 1: I can't say that word. Yeah. So they don't think
22:33
Speaker 1: that's why he went there, but there was a reason
22:36
Speaker 1: and no one ever figured it out. Oh okay, Yeah,
22:39
Speaker 1: so it was never determined why he went there, but
22:41
Speaker 1: he went there for several months and then he came
22:43
Speaker 1: back after Charles's death. Laurie then bolt Chad a plane ticket,
22:48
Speaker 1: so all Chad day bill a plane ticket to Arizona
22:51
Speaker 1: from Utah. Luckily, before Charles was killed, he changed over
22:56
Speaker 1: his insurance policy from LORII to his sister Kay pissed
23:01
Speaker 1: her off, but she didn't know at the time.
23:02
Speaker 2: She found out later, Okay, So that that wouldn't necessarily
23:06
Speaker 2: be a motive.
23:07
Speaker 1: When he was killed, it's definitely a motive because she
23:11
Speaker 1: thought it was still in her name.
23:13
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, I see yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Okay.
23:16
Speaker 1: So, as though we don't already have you know, crazy
23:19
Speaker 1: alarming behavior from Laurie, now we really start seeing some
23:23
Speaker 1: very very alarming behavior from her. The first being that
23:27
Speaker 1: Laurie tries to sell JJ's service dog. So, as I
23:31
Speaker 1: mentioned before, like you know, JJ was on the spectrum,
23:34
Speaker 1: and I did read in one source that he was nonverbal.
23:39
Speaker 1: So I imagine this dog, you know, helped him tremendously,
23:42
Speaker 1: and she tried to sell it why. I don't know.
23:47
Speaker 1: Once we get to the end of the story, it
23:49
Speaker 1: might make a little bit more sense. But so I
23:52
Speaker 1: learned that if you purchase a service dog from a
23:54
Speaker 1: rescue and want to get rid of that service dog,
23:56
Speaker 1: you must return or sell the dog back to that
23:59
Speaker 1: rescue you Okay, And someone in that kind of community
24:05
Speaker 1: saw Laurie's posting about the dog and basically told her like,
24:08
Speaker 1: you have to give it back to the to the rescue,
24:11
Speaker 1: and she did at least she did something right, thankfully. Yeah. Well,
24:16
Speaker 1: I think she was called out on her shit, so
24:17
Speaker 1: she had to you know.
24:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
24:19
Speaker 1: Around this same time, Kay, who was JJ's grandmother. So
24:23
Speaker 1: Kay being you know, Charles's sister that had the daughter
24:28
Speaker 1: who couldn't take care of JJ at the time, she
24:30
Speaker 1: called police and requested a well check of JJ because
24:33
Speaker 1: she had not seen or heard from him, and Laurie
24:36
Speaker 1: was not responding to any of Kay's calls or texts
24:39
Speaker 1: and this was very worrisome to her. However, for some reason,
24:42
Speaker 1: her request was like severely delayed, so they didn't go
24:47
Speaker 1: out there that day and check on JJ. Soon after
24:49
Speaker 1: all of these events occur, Laurie uproots the children and
24:54
Speaker 1: moves everyone to Idaho, even though our dear boy Chad
25:00
Speaker 1: is still technically married to his wife.
25:03
Speaker 2: Gosh.
25:04
Speaker 1: Laurie's friend Melanie which I mentioned her earlier in the story,
25:08
Speaker 1: Laurie told her that Chad's wife would pass away unexpectedly
25:13
Speaker 1: before she and the kids moved. However, his wife did
25:17
Speaker 1: not pass away, thankfully. Reports also state that Tylie, who
25:22
Speaker 1: was sixteen at the time, did not want to move
25:24
Speaker 1: to Idaho and had planned to originally or had originally
25:28
Speaker 1: planned to stay in Arizona, but closer to the time
25:31
Speaker 1: of the move had decided to go so she could
25:34
Speaker 1: help take care of and protect her little brother JJ.
25:39
Speaker 1: So that's pretty telling in of itself. Yeah, So the
25:41
Speaker 1: three of them and Chad all moved in together into
25:45
Speaker 1: a townhouse in Rexburg, Idaho, which is where Chad lived.
25:48
Speaker 1: In September of twenty nineteen, Laurie, Chad, Tylee, and JJ
25:53
Speaker 1: all took a road trip to Yellowstone National Park and
25:57
Speaker 1: this would be the last time anyone would see or
25:59
Speaker 1: hear from the children. There was tower pings on Tylee's
26:06
Speaker 1: cell phone and there were pictures taken from this trip,
26:10
Speaker 1: so there was like confirmation that they were there, but
26:13
Speaker 1: that was the last time that they were seen. There
26:15
Speaker 1: are also reports from Lurie's friend Melanie again that Laurie
26:19
Speaker 1: told her that JJ had turned into a zombie, which
26:24
Speaker 1: is another word that they use in their little whatever
26:29
Speaker 1: made up religion, not the LDS religion, but like they're
26:33
Speaker 1: sub group of it, which is like they refer to
26:37
Speaker 1: that as like an evil spirit and claim that he
26:41
Speaker 1: had said that he loved Satan, which is really odd because,
26:45
Speaker 1: like I said before, in one of the sources I read,
26:48
Speaker 1: JJ was said to be nonverbal. So nonverbal you don't speak.
26:54
Speaker 1: You can maybe sign, you know, you sign language or whatever.
26:58
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just don't believe that. Yeah, Okay, I
27:01
Speaker 1: messed up when I said I'm gonna just say this
27:04
Speaker 1: and you can leave it in. But when I said
27:06
Speaker 1: that this would be the last time anyone would see
27:08
Speaker 1: from the children, I actually meant just Tyley. Okay, So
27:13
Speaker 1: the Yellowstone Park trip, that was the last time anyone
27:16
Speaker 1: would see or hear from Tyley. So three weeks, it's
27:20
Speaker 1: been three weeks since they moved to Idaho and JJ
27:25
Speaker 1: was enrolled in school. Laurie decided to pool JJ from
27:29
Speaker 1: school and she told his nanny that she would no
27:32
Speaker 1: longer be needing him because JJ was going to stay
27:36
Speaker 1: with his grandparents. So the next event was that someone
27:41
Speaker 1: attempted to shoot and kill child's wife, Tammy, and it
27:44
Speaker 1: later came out that the attempt on her life was
27:47
Speaker 1: made by none other than drum roll please, Alex fucking brother. Yes.
27:58
Speaker 1: So ten days later, in October of twenty nineteen, Tammy
28:03
Speaker 1: is pronounced dead in her home in her bed, and
28:06
Speaker 1: her death is ruled to be from natural causes.
28:10
Speaker 2: Interesting.
28:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, and surprise surprise, Chad did not request an autopsy.
28:16
Speaker 1: Another thing worth mentioning is that Melanie's husband, Brandon, was
28:20
Speaker 1: also attacked and someone attempted to kill him, and he
28:23
Speaker 1: took their kids and went into hiding. So the friend
28:26
Speaker 1: Melanie that happened to her husband and her children. Okay,
28:30
Speaker 1: After Melanie could not locate her children, she and Alex
28:33
Speaker 1: decided to move to Idaho. They were not a couple,
28:36
Speaker 1: There was no indicator that they were a couple, but
28:38
Speaker 1: they just I guess wanted to be closer to Chad
28:41
Speaker 1: and Laurie. There's a lot more to that Melanie's story,
28:45
Speaker 1: but I'm not really going to go into it because
28:47
Speaker 1: it's not really about her. But her behavior was very
28:50
Speaker 1: similar to Laurie's behavior. So now it's November of twenty nineteen,
28:54
Speaker 1: Laurie and Chad took a trip to Hawaii and essentially eloped.
28:58
Speaker 1: So you know, it's like a month later and getting married.
29:03
Speaker 1: Around this time, the FBI starts getting tips surrounding Lourie, Chad, Alex,
29:10
Speaker 1: and Melanie, and things were just not adding up. So
29:13
Speaker 1: once Laurie and Chad arrive back to Arizona, Kay, which
29:17
Speaker 1: is Charles's brother, JJ's grandmother again requests a well check
29:22
Speaker 1: on her grandson, and finally the police arrive at their
29:26
Speaker 1: town home and there is no sign of JJ. Laurie
29:29
Speaker 1: tells police that JJ is currently staying with her friend
29:32
Speaker 1: Melanie in Arizona, and Chad calls Melanie and gives her
29:36
Speaker 1: a heads up and tells her to evade police, and
29:39
Speaker 1: she basically complies all right, thankfully, though soon she has
29:44
Speaker 1: a small teeny tiny change of heart and doesn't want
29:48
Speaker 1: to be involved in all of this and calls Lourie
29:51
Speaker 1: to tell her, Hey, you know, I'm done covering for
29:54
Speaker 1: you guys, or you know, doing whatever you want me
29:56
Speaker 1: to do, and she recorded the call between uh, Laurie
30:00
Speaker 1: and herself. There wasn't anything, you know, really telling or
30:06
Speaker 1: vital to the case, but Laurie was on to her.
30:09
Speaker 1: She could tell that like something was up. So another
30:13
Speaker 1: interesting thing worth mentioning again about Alex and Melanie is
30:17
Speaker 1: that both of them flew to Vegas to get married again,
30:21
Speaker 1: not to each other but to people in their fanatical community,
30:26
Speaker 1: and they both even Alex takes the last name of
30:30
Speaker 1: his new spouse, which like people do that.
30:34
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
30:34
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, it's not the craziest thing
30:37
Speaker 1: I've ever heard, but you know, it's suspicious that they're
30:40
Speaker 1: trying to kind of evade police a little bit, and
30:43
Speaker 1: so that's why they did it. I don't know. Okay,
30:45
Speaker 1: So during this time, Laurie and Chad fly back to
30:47
Speaker 1: Hawaii and they rent a condo and the FBI got
30:51
Speaker 1: the local police involved and they began servying the couple.
30:55
Speaker 1: While they're in Hawaii. Police petition to have Chad's deceased wife,
31:00
Speaker 1: Tammy's body egzoomed to do a formal autopsy due to
31:04
Speaker 1: all the suspicion that was starting to arise around the couple.
31:08
Speaker 1: And soon after that, Alex, Laurie's brother passes away from
31:14
Speaker 1: a supposed blood clot.
31:17
Speaker 2: Excuse me, so this is now the third person in
31:19
Speaker 2: her life to pass away from natural causes.
31:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, from natural causes.
31:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, natural causes. Yeah.
31:27
Speaker 1: Okay, because Charles was shot, but it was like an
31:31
Speaker 1: accident or whatever you want to say. Yeah, that's right.
31:35
Speaker 1: And he did have an autopsy performed and it was
31:38
Speaker 1: determined that he did pass from a blood clot. But again,
31:41
Speaker 1: like I mentioned in the Charles case, like his autopsy,
31:45
Speaker 1: I feel like there's ways you can make things look
31:47
Speaker 1: like accidents, Like you can make it look like someone.
31:50
Speaker 2: Had a tag thousand, you can make.
31:54
Speaker 1: It look like someone had a blood clot. I don't
31:55
Speaker 1: know how, because I'm not that kind of person, but
31:59
Speaker 1: I just feel like it. It's very possible.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:03
Speaker 1: So, finally law enforcement is beginning to piece all of
32:06
Speaker 1: these you know, tragedies and all of these tidbits of
32:09
Speaker 1: information together surrounding these people, and they are officially named
32:16
Speaker 1: persons of interest in the death of Tammy Davelle.
32:19
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
32:21
Speaker 1: So police obtained a search warrant for Chad's home in Idaho,
32:25
Speaker 1: and they recovered almost fifty items for evidence. However, one
32:30
Speaker 1: big question still remains. Where are Tyle and JJ.
32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:35
Speaker 1: In January of twenty twenty, local police notify Laurie that
32:39
Speaker 1: she has five days to show proof of life for
32:42
Speaker 1: both children.
32:43
Speaker 2: Wow okay, and she.
32:45
Speaker 1: Just simply refused to comply, which is like, I'm you're
32:51
Speaker 1: fucking kids, man, Like those are your kids? Sorry? It
32:57
Speaker 1: just doesn't it makes no sense. No man is worth killing,
33:01
Speaker 1: you know whatever, Your kids do so now an official
33:04
Speaker 1: investigation into the children's whereabouts begin. Kay, who is Charles's
33:09
Speaker 1: sister and JJ's grandmother. She has been advocating for her
33:14
Speaker 1: grandson's safety the whole time, addresses Laurie in the media
33:18
Speaker 1: and demands she tell law enforcement where JJ is. The
33:21
Speaker 1: five days comes and goes, and Lurie is arrested finally
33:26
Speaker 1: on several charges. In March of twenty twenty, Laurie is
33:29
Speaker 1: sent back to an Idaho prison due to complaints that
33:34
Speaker 1: the prison in Hawaii is too rough, too dirty, and
33:40
Speaker 1: just too hard Like.
33:41
Speaker 2: What, oh my god, are you kidding?
33:46
Speaker 1: No? And I wrote my boo freaking hoo bitch. Yeah.
33:52
Speaker 1: So Chad, meanwhile, is still free. While in prison, Laurie
33:55
Speaker 1: met with her lawyer, and their meetings were accidentally and
33:59
Speaker 1: unlawfully due to some new COVID procedures that were currently
34:03
Speaker 1: in place. I couldn't find anything that like said that
34:07
Speaker 1: she like admitted to anything, but there was I guess
34:10
Speaker 1: some information on there. I'm sure because the case is
34:13
Speaker 1: still ongoing, they don't want to release that information, right
34:16
Speaker 1: And her bell was set by the judge for one
34:18
Speaker 1: million dollars.
34:20
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay.
34:20
Speaker 1: So in June of twenty twenty, police get another warrant
34:24
Speaker 1: to search the grounds of Chad day Bell's home, and
34:29
Speaker 1: in a few short hours human remains are found. And
34:33
Speaker 1: she's gonna go ahead and give a trigger warning. It
34:35
Speaker 1: does include, Sadly, it does include child death and some
34:39
Speaker 1: pretty disgusting details about their death. So the remains were
34:46
Speaker 1: confirmed to be Tyly in JJ. JJ was in his
34:51
Speaker 1: red pajamas. He was wrapped in a plastic like I
34:55
Speaker 1: guess kind of like a tarp, a plastic tarp, and
34:59
Speaker 1: he was bound by duct tape on his mouth, his hands,
35:03
Speaker 1: and his feet. And one of the articles that I read,
35:08
Speaker 1: just from the fact that he was his mouth was
35:10
Speaker 1: duct tape, said that he was probably still alive when
35:14
Speaker 1: he was put into the ground. Tyley her body had
35:19
Speaker 1: been dismembered and burned.
35:23
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
35:25
Speaker 1: And they were both buried. JJ's death was ruled or
35:30
Speaker 1: JJ's cause of death was rolled from asphyxiation. He was
35:35
Speaker 1: only seven years old. Oh, oh my god. It was
35:38
Speaker 1: too difficult to determine the cause of death for Tyley
35:41
Speaker 1: because she was so severely burned. And it's alleged that
35:45
Speaker 1: both children were buried in Chad's backyard when his wife
35:49
Speaker 1: Tammy was still alive. Oh my god, and she had
35:52
Speaker 1: no idea. Chad was then arrested and his bell was
35:56
Speaker 1: set for one man, one million dollars in January of
35:59
Speaker 1: the year. So January of twenty twenty one, the autopsy
36:03
Speaker 1: of Tammy was finally completed. So it was like basically
36:07
Speaker 1: a year, like right under a year that it took
36:10
Speaker 1: them to complete and you know, get a conclusion for
36:13
Speaker 1: her autopsy. However, it has not been released to the public. Again,
36:17
Speaker 1: I'm assuming because the trial is ongoing. In May, both
36:20
Speaker 1: Laurie and Chad were additionally charged with first degree murder,
36:24
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder, plus the slew of other charges
36:28
Speaker 1: against them, and we learned that among the victims they
36:31
Speaker 1: were charged with for the murders, Tammy is one of
36:36
Speaker 1: those victims. So it's safe to assume her autopsy proved
36:39
Speaker 1: that she did not die of natural causes after all,
36:42
Speaker 1: which wow, we all knew.
36:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to see the autopsy actually like confirm that.
36:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad because I mean it was just too obvious.
36:52
Speaker 1: But you know, he was the husband, so he got
36:54
Speaker 1: to say whether or not she got an autopsy, right,
36:58
Speaker 1: in Jine of this year, was committed to a mental
37:01
Speaker 1: health and well being hospital and was deemed not fit
37:05
Speaker 1: to stand trial.
37:06
Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting.
37:08
Speaker 1: Chad, on the other hand, was deemed of sound mind
37:11
Speaker 1: and is fully capable of standing trial. He, however, pleaded
37:15
Speaker 1: not guilty. But they are planning to seek the death
37:19
Speaker 1: penalty for the deaths of Tammy, Tylee, and JJ, and
37:24
Speaker 1: they assume as soon as Laurie is you know, willing
37:30
Speaker 1: and able mentally to stand trial, she will also more
37:34
Speaker 1: than likely see the same results. So they pretty much
37:39
Speaker 1: assume that she'll get the death penalty as well. Right
37:43
Speaker 1: as of yet, there have been no more advancements in
37:46
Speaker 1: this case at this time. Like I said, it is
37:48
Speaker 1: ongoing and I will continue to keep you guys updated
37:52
Speaker 1: as more information unfolds.
37:54
Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Yeah, I mean it's not conclusion, but at
37:58
Speaker 2: least somebody he has been arrested and.
38:01
Speaker 1: Trying to Yeah, we know they fucking did it, and
38:03
Speaker 1: we know that they're they're gonna be charged. Oh yeah,
38:08
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a lot of great area
38:11
Speaker 1: when it comes to the death penalty. I agree, but
38:14
Speaker 1: in this situation, like I think, it's.
38:16
Speaker 2: Just yeah, I mean, it's murdered your kids. It's like
38:20
Speaker 2: Chris Watts.
38:23
Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on that piece of shit.
38:26
Speaker 2: So many people have been commenting on our Instagram about
38:28
Speaker 2: the Gabby Patito case that the guy is giving him
38:32
Speaker 2: Chris Watts vibes, and I'm like, I said that.
38:34
Speaker 1: Remember I think I said you names, but I was like,
38:38
Speaker 1: he it's similar like with Chris Watts though, like Imdia
38:42
Speaker 1: was like that fucker did something. But with this guy,
38:46
Speaker 1: I'm like, is he just really good actor or you know,
38:53
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll get into that more later. But yeah,
38:57
Speaker 1: So that is the case of the murder of Tylee
39:00
Speaker 1: and JJ Tammy, Charles, fuck LORI, fuck Alex and fuck Chad. Yeah,
39:07
Speaker 1: and fuck Melanie too. How I am about it?
39:09
Speaker 2: Yeah?
39:11
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah. But I will, like I said, I'll keep
39:14
Speaker 1: you guys updated. We'll update you on our Instagram page
39:17
Speaker 1: which is at Inhuman Underscore podcast, and I will be
39:20
Speaker 1: posting pictures from this, you know, this episode of all
39:25
Speaker 1: these crazy people and all the crazy Well, I won't
39:28
Speaker 1: post pictures of the crazy stuff that they did, but
39:30
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be posting some pictures to give you
39:33
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39:36
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