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123. [Virginia] Tara Munsey · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to Bless It's Messa in the True
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  Speaker 1: Grund podcast. I'm Caraho do say Heyestu. All right, we're
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  Speaker 1: back this week and we are going to Virginia four
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  Speaker 1: weeks in a row, going strong, Stu.
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  Speaker 2: I know I've pushed her to work harder, please.
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  Speaker 1: We finally got on a schedule that I think where
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  Speaker 1: we just I think sadly, I mean, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: we've been doing this for like six seven years, seven
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  Speaker 1: years do seven years? We have been doing this and
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  Speaker 1: we just now got on a schedule because we weren't
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  Speaker 1: treating it like a job. A job, and you do
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  Speaker 1: have to treat it like a job. We're just not
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  Speaker 1: going to get done because obviously we have like other jobs,
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  Speaker 1: like a regular job that pays the bills, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And so we we finally gone on a schedule and
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  Speaker 1: it seems to be working for us for for four weeks.
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  Speaker 1: We're trying now just f YI coming up, so we'll
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  Speaker 1: have regular episodes for the next couple of weeks, and
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  Speaker 1: then we're going to have a Patreon only episode because
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  Speaker 1: we are going out of town away. So we are
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  Speaker 1: going away, as many of you we've talked about we're
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  Speaker 1: going on a cruise again. So anyway, so that week,
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  Speaker 1: instead of having a regular episode, we put out we're
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  Speaker 1: actually gonna do something for the Patreon. It's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be like our normal episodes. I think what we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do is we've been watching like the Scott Peterson stuff,
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  Speaker 1: so we might watch that and recap it for you
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  Speaker 1: guys on it for to think all of our Patreon.
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  Speaker 2: So tell them tell him why Scott Peterson's innocent?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stu, you can. You can cover the Peacock portion
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  Speaker 1: of it where they do the interview with him, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll cover the Netflix one where they're like this guy sucks,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, we had Yeah, he's he's ridiculous. Anyways, Stu
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  Speaker 1: doesn't actually think he's innocent. But what else is going on?
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  Speaker 1: I'm still going strong with the sour dough. So here's
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  Speaker 1: the deal. So I've been I have not been recording
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  Speaker 1: it and posting it. I'm just not good at I
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  Speaker 1: don't that yeah that I already have this and like
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  Speaker 1: a job and three children. So but I've been pushing
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  Speaker 1: for with the same sour dough. So here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It is bubbly, but it smells like actone at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day. So I've heard that that's because
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  Speaker 1: it's too hungry. So I've been trying to feed it more,
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  Speaker 1: but we still don't have the rise we need out
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  Speaker 1: of it. We're bubbling, but we're not rising everybody, So
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  Speaker 1: we're still working on the rise to be able to
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  Speaker 1: make bread. So that's where we're at with the sour dough.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody was wondering, I know you've been on the
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  Speaker 1: edge of your seats waiting to hear about how my
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  Speaker 1: sour dough starter is going. And then if you have
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  Speaker 1: any tips about sour dough starters because you've successfully done it,
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  Speaker 1: then you know, get on our Instagram or Facebook. So
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  Speaker 1: far as just okay, whatever's do. Okay, we did that.
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  Speaker 1: We're eating sour dough in the meantime. But anyways, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: get on our Instagram or Facebook and you can send
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  Speaker 1: me your tips and tricks. And then what else have
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  Speaker 1: we been doing. Oh, I've been trying to jog, as
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  Speaker 1: I've told said told you guys last week. I think
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  Speaker 1: so Stu and the children go with me, and then
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  Speaker 1: I like jog ahead, pushing the drawer. So we stopped
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  Speaker 1: at our neighborhood playground, which we don't do that often
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  Speaker 1: because our neighborhood it yes, it interrupts the walk. So
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  Speaker 1: this time I did all my jog and then we
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  Speaker 1: went back to the playground so they could play. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get up there and there's these two little shithead little kids,
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  Speaker 1: maybe five and six. Would you say, Stu, No, how
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  Speaker 1: old do you think they were? They were five?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were six or seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least seven, maybe eight?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, think so? Oh they weren't eight, No, like
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  Speaker 1: probably six or seven. Just the mouthiest, rudest little shit
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  Speaker 1: So we get up there on playground. My daughter had
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  Speaker 1: her rock and she's three. She has her rock in
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  Speaker 1: her hand or whatever that she found on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: We get up there on the top of that kid runs
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  Speaker 1: up there and just rips it out of her hands.
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  Speaker 1: And let me tell you, people, it took all my
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  Speaker 1: kids strain not to smack that little shitthead across the head,
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  Speaker 1: but I restrained myself. I yanked it back from him,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, that's not your rock, that's her rock anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So I got into it with the children and I'm
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  Speaker 1: staring them down and giving my my strongest bitch face.
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  Speaker 1: And then the one kid's like, you're not in charge
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  Speaker 1: of me. I was like, oh, I'm not in charge
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  Speaker 1: of you, I said, but your mom's in charge of you.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna go get your mom. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, don't do that. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go get your mom. So I'm like staring them down.
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  Speaker 1: So our two kids are just staring here like, cause
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  Speaker 1: they're two and three, they don't even know what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: So they walked down off the playground and we're standing
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  Speaker 1: down there and they start taunting me, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh fuck no, I said, okay, that's it. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get So I rushed over there and
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  Speaker 1: I tell I find the one kid's mom. I tell her.
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  Speaker 1: She's like real sorry about it. But the main instigator,
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  Speaker 1: the little blondeheaded kid, he I went and told his mom,
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  Speaker 1: and his mom was like okay, okay, like she didn't
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  Speaker 1: care at all. So now I see why he's the
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  Speaker 1: way he is to do. No discipline at all, nothing
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  Speaker 1: happening in the household, no nothing anyway. So I'm that person.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go tell their parents.
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  Speaker 2: I need to talk to your manager.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is like the I'm a mom version
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  Speaker 1: of a Karen. I'm a Kara if you will yes, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like whatever I was growing up, you said
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  Speaker 1: yes ma'am and no, ma'am to like adults and whether
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  Speaker 1: you knew them or not, like you didn't have to,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, you obviously don't go with them or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that, but you don't disrespect adults and everything.
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  Speaker 1: But I've heard I've seen im these moms group on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and I see it all the time, how they say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: these kids are just horror stories in these schools playgrounds
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  Speaker 1: like that, kids being rude, mean to other kids and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm like, what is what is happening
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  Speaker 1: in this world?
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  Speaker 2: It's just happening on our playground.
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  Speaker 1: It's happened on our playground. So now, anyways, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm doing next time if it happens again.
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  Speaker 2: But you're just gonna push them off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna. Oh I had to. I was gonna.
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  Speaker 1: He had all those rocks up there on the top
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  Speaker 1: level of the places playground, and it took everything in
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  Speaker 1: me not to just I can tell hums to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up there and knock his rocks offn't
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  Speaker 1: push all his rocks. But I didn't. I didn't people.
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  Speaker 1: I was somewhat mature about it. So all right, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's it. Oh, we did try to cut our
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  Speaker 1: child's hair today or yesterday, the two year old. Now
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  Speaker 1: we need to fix it today because he's got like
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  Speaker 1: a still called it a page boy cut in the back.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little uneven anyways. Yeah, so that's what we've
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  Speaker 1: been up.
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  Speaker 2: To, riding a little high back up on the back
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  Speaker 2: of the scale.
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  Speaker 1: Yah, it's riding a little high. It's got not got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of depth to it. I would say, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like a lot cut. Like I put a bowl
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  Speaker 1: on the back of its head. I think I did. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: in the front, it's the back. But he used to
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  Speaker 1: have like a little mullet, and that we trimmed off.
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  Speaker 1: And then this was then I started looking at we
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  Speaker 1: went to little Jim. His hair was just so like
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  Speaker 1: frazzled and looked rough, and I was like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: All the other little boys have their like lives together,
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  Speaker 1: and mine's just run around. He's and he's the craziest
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  Speaker 1: one in the class too. So that doesn't help. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's it for now. So like us on
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  Speaker 1: Will have a new book club pick coming up next week.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's it. Oh, rate review, subscribe anything else? Do?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for participating in our life discussions. Do when you
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  Speaker 1: just sit over there and be quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're the one just rambling on.
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  Speaker 1: Well maybe I wouldn't ramble if I'm looking at you, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can you join in?
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about something interesting other than nuts.
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  Speaker 1: I had to stop you. You wanted to like be
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to like you were like, I would have
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  Speaker 1: just like backhanded that kid, like that's why you're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to interact.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, That's why I'm glad it was you,
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  Speaker 2: because if I would have been out there and he
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  Speaker 2: pushed her or snatched something out of her hand, I
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  Speaker 2: would have probably just pushed him off the plate, popped
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  Speaker 2: him in the air or something. Yeah, so grabbed him
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  Speaker 2: by his ear, pulled on the old ear. Low. Come here,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk to your parents right now, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: I did have some satisfaction.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who's leaving their kids over there though,
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  Speaker 2: when they were all the way on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: No, And that's the thing, is like, if your kids
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  Speaker 1: aren't going to behave, then they don't need to be
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  Speaker 1: You need to monitor your children like somewhat. You can't
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  Speaker 1: if if they're because apparently the blondeheaded kid. The lady
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  Speaker 1: with that was actually had her kid come and apologize
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  Speaker 1: to me, and he was he was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: the follower. You could tell he She was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a he's always getting in trouble. She said
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  Speaker 1: he punched her three year old, and I'm like what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, why are you letting your kid hang around
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  Speaker 1: with this kid? Then she said he punched her three
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  Speaker 1: year old and she usually stays over there with her
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  Speaker 1: son whenever the three year old's with them because of
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  Speaker 1: that kid. But since the three er wasn't there, she
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  Speaker 1: was just gonna let him play with them by himself.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, I don't know about that sound parenting.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, No, I wonder why your kid is going down
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  Speaker 2: a bad path.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the start. This is how you end
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  Speaker 1: up in one of our episodes as the as the
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  Speaker 1: as the Suspect.
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  Speaker 2: A little blond kid with the flock of seagulls comb over. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it all started one day on the playground.
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  Speaker 1: I know we'll be telling the story on his Datelin episode.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's get into this case out of Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: If you've been fast forwarding, now's the time to stop.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you a second. Okay, we're going. Tara Rose
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  Speaker 1: Munsey was born February second, nineteen eighty three in Radford, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: to Catherine Irwin and Bill Munsey. And she had one brother,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe her her mom and her dad did
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  Speaker 1: go on to divorce whenever they were children. Tara attended
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  Speaker 1: Radford High School in Radford, Virginia. She was said to
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  Speaker 1: be musically gifted and she enjoyed attending church with her
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  Speaker 1: grandmother and dad. Now. She also was described as having
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  Speaker 1: a humorous personality and was just overall uplifting person Tara
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  Speaker 1: had a boyfriend whom she was deeply, deeply in love with,
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  Speaker 1: you know that high school love where you think it's
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  Speaker 1: the be all indol. And his name was Nick Zaropa. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Nick was a few years older than Tara, so when
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  Speaker 1: Nick graduated, he joined the Navy and ended up moving
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  Speaker 1: to Illinois. Well, she vowed that as soon as she
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  Speaker 1: was done graduating, she was moving near him and she
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  Speaker 1: was going to marry Nick. So she was definitely committed
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  Speaker 1: to him and very much in love. Meanwhile, Tara worked
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  Speaker 1: at a local fast food restaurant, and this was the
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  Speaker 1: Taco Bell on Fair Lawn there in Radford, And this
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  Speaker 1: was while she was finishing out her last few years
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  Speaker 1: of high school, waiting to go be with her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: On January twenty fifth, two thousand, Terror was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: meet her father at a basketball game at eight pm.
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  Speaker 2: When he was on his way to the game, he
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  Speaker 2: passed by the Taco Bell and saw that her car
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  Speaker 2: was still on the parking lot. Wondering why she was
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  Speaker 2: not yet on the way to meet him, he stopped
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  Speaker 2: by the Taco bell.
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  Speaker 1: Her coworkers had immediately got diarrhea.
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  Speaker 2: And immediately in the vicinity her co workers.
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  Speaker 1: It might have been but Taco Bell might have been
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  Speaker 1: better back in two thousand.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't okay, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't been any better since it started. I think
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  Speaker 2: they used grad e meat well, you know, at least
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  Speaker 2: food is grade D. I believe at least.
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  Speaker 1: They've been consistently terrible, so you can really count on
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  Speaker 1: that when you're drunk or hungover to the Actually, it's
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  Speaker 1: just when you're drunk and you're like, hey, Uber driver,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, it sounds like a great ideal Taco Bell.
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  Speaker 1: Remember one time we went through Taco Bell at like
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  Speaker 1: two am, had the Uber driver take us and we
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  Speaker 1: ordered it was whenever they had all the different flavors
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  Speaker 1: at tacos, and we ordered, like I think we ordered
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  Speaker 1: like fifty dollars for a Taco Bell and then I
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  Speaker 1: got home, I was too drunk to eat any of
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  Speaker 1: it and just fell asleep.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds like something would happen yet. Yeah, Plus we
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  Speaker 2: had an extra Uber tab because we sat in line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we sat in line at the Taco Bell with
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  Speaker 1: all the other drunk people. We're responsible that we always
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  Speaker 1: take an Uber So don't drink and dry people. It's
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  Speaker 1: not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not Wondering why she was not yet on
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  Speaker 2: the way to meet him, he stopped buying. Coworkers said
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  Speaker 2: she had clocked out about thirty minutes prior to him
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  Speaker 2: getting there. In the front seat is a bag of
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  Speaker 2: takeout food, a drink, and the hat that she wears
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  Speaker 2: to work. So she put all this stuff in her
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  Speaker 2: car and then she disappeared. Yeah, they called police, but
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  Speaker 2: it isn't taken too seriously, since it's not uncommon for
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  Speaker 2: teenagers to disappear for a few hours and not tell
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  Speaker 2: their parents where they're going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's sixteen. It's literally been maybe an hour or
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  Speaker 1: so that they can't hour two that they can't locate her.
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  Speaker 2: So TERA's dad, he's insistent that his daughter would not
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  Speaker 2: just leave without checking in. And it was also very
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  Speaker 2: odd that her car and the food that she bought.
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  Speaker 1: Like still sitting in the front seat. Yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a I mean, Taco Bell doesn't reheat well either, a
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  Speaker 1: coming come on, No, it's not like Chinese food reheats well.
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  Speaker 1: Mexican like regular Mexican Mexican food and like a actual
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  Speaker 1: Mexican y reheats well. But burger and fries does not.
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  Speaker 1: Taco Bell like that. If you get the corn, the
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  Speaker 1: corn not corn, what is it hard tacos try to
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  Speaker 1: reheat those the next day, It just like disintegrates because
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  Speaker 1: it's all the grease and everything.
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  Speaker 2: So no, then you just get sick if you try
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  Speaker 2: reheated taco bell, you just need to throw in the car.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So she would have taken that food with her, had.
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  Speaker 2: She Yeah, you gotta take it with you eat it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, her dad is like, hey, what the hell?
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  Speaker 2: Her food's here, but her purse is gone, her keys
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  Speaker 2: are gone, There's nothing in the car except for this food.
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  Speaker 2: So police question whether she would have dropped her items
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  Speaker 2: in the car and then left with someone or left
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  Speaker 2: on foot. Maybe it was someone she did not want
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  Speaker 2: her parents to know she was with. Now, this theory
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  Speaker 2: just did not seem to make sense to the father.
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  Speaker 2: It was very cold at that time of year, so
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  Speaker 2: leaving on foot was not an option. She could have
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  Speaker 2: left in a car with somebody, But why would she
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  Speaker 2: not take the hot food she bought from the restaurant?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And then also why would she do that knowing
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  Speaker 1: she was meeting her dad in like thirty minutes. She
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that type of team. They said that she would
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  Speaker 1: just make plans and then flake on Yeah, flake on them.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't That's why they were so concerned, Like, no,
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  Speaker 1: she checks in, she talks to people. When she said
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  Speaker 1: she's going to be somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: She's going to meet me at the game and as yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So her parents are waiting on a call from Tara,
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  Speaker 2: but this call never came.
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  Speaker 1: The next morning, January twenty sixth, there was still no
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  Speaker 1: sign of Tara. They contacted her boyfriend Nick up in
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  Speaker 1: Illinois to see if he had heard from her, but
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  Speaker 1: he had not, because that was the other thing is
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  Speaker 1: They're like, did she run off? She's madly in love
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  Speaker 1: with his boyfriend, she misses him. If she was going anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: that's where she would be going. So then whenever he
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen or heard from her, you know, they're really
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  Speaker 1: getting concerned because that's the only thing they can think,
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  Speaker 1: even though it would have been out of the norm
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  Speaker 1: for her, that is literally the only option they can
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  Speaker 1: think of where she would go. So Terrence, Terrence, Terrence. No.
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  Speaker 1: Tara's parents knew something was wrong and pushed for officers
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  Speaker 1: to really take this disappearance seriously. Finally, after being gone
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  Speaker 1: for twenty four hours with no sign of her and
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  Speaker 1: no idea where she went, they start speaking to They're
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  Speaker 1: starting to investigate. They start speaking to her coworkers at
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the Taco Bell and they tell police that she did
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: have a verbal altercation with two male customers that had
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: come through the drive through a few days before. Now,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: this was a major concern for police because Tara was
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: a petit sixteen year old girl. If they were angry,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: they could have easily, you know, overpowered her and harmed her.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: But although I don't think, I'm pretty sure every day
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: there's probably angry help people through the drive through.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's getting into a verbal altercation in the type
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of the bell probably wants every hour.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I like, this is like a calmon occurrence. So police
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: request video footage, but unfortunately the restaurant cheaped out. They
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: had no camera and then.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Her is two thousand. They were quite expectively.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Now everything has a camera. Her coworkers did not notice
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: anything suspicious that evening, and no one watched her walk
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: to a car, which is a terrible policy to have
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: whenever we every I think almost every place I've worked.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Now you know, when you do not work, you do
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: not walk to your car alone. Like when I was
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: a waitress, you don't walk to your car alone. Everybody
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: somebody walks out with you. If you're a female, like
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the males are like whatever fuck it that's gonna happen.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Like the females, they would never let you either walked out.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: You always walked out in a pair to your car
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and then got in your cars, or or if it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Was someone would watch out and then went back back.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two weeks passed by with no sign of Tara,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: and the community is starting to get concerned about her disappearance.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: They're worried about the safety of their own children because
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I guess they're figuring that this hit in a runaway situation,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: that something actually happened to this girl.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been abducted, and now they could happen. If
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: it's happened to her, it can happen to one of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: their children.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the community doesn't see terror as a runaway
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: or just a flaky teenager.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They know they're worried about where she said, what's happened
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, they had huge search parties looking for her.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, volunteer search the area and the community got her
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: picture out to the public, but they could not find her.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: On February tenth, two thousand, the hiker came upon a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: body in the snow. The body was near a railroad
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: track in an isolated area at the bottom of a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: seventy foot ravine at the New River near Parrot.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: If you're famili with the area.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: If you're familiar with the area, I am not.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I throw those things in there. What if someone is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: familiar and they're like, oh my god, I know that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: police somebody?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, someone wrote us and said that the uh,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the guy from the Louisiana one.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: The Louisiana case, the guy the killer that killed Sierra. Yes,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: she lived with him or.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: He stayed stayed at their house, surf the couch or
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, so someone may know this area. Now,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: it was difficult to get to the body. The man
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: just happened to be hiking in the area.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: It's all these hikers going out and go in weird
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: places that find all these dead bodies.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, well, you think it's the hikers
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we're all just be in gas lit by
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: these hikers, do you think. Yes.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Police come to the scene expecting the worst, and this
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: was confirmed when they pulled the id from the pocket
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the victim. It was in fact, sixteen year old Tara Muncie.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: She was naked from the waist up and had injuries
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: consistent with being rolled down the ravine to where she
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: was found. Because of the snow, the body was well preserved,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and autopsy would later reveal that she was shot four times,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: once in the chest and three times in the head.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was described as execution style.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: She also had bruising on the left side of her jaw,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: left arm, right leg, and upper left thigh. She had
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: fought her attacker, and blood and other deposits were found
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: underneath her fingernails. She had not been raped, but they
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: did find seminal fluid on her body.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm guessing he sexually assaulted her in a.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Different Police searched the surrounding area, but it was at
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the bottom of this ravine near the tracks. There was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: lots of trash left all over the ground, like it
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: was a dumping ground for people.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like big they were throwing. It was that place
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: where they're rolling shit down the hill, tires, appliances, whatever.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: They don't want to.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: They don't want to spend the ten dollars to go
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to the dome.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People are so trashy, quite figuratively and literally with
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: all the appliances, just so tacky. It is not demure.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: It is not cutees.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Stay Jesus, I hate that trend. So then they were
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: able to recover some helpful forensic evidence, and this included
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Terra's keys to her car, a cigarette butt, and the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: filter which was detached from the cigarette terror.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Which is apparently like a weird thing to do now.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Some people like unfiltered cigarettes, okay, and if they can't
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: find them, they just rip the filter off.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Though I'm as pure as the driven snow. I've not
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: smoked a cigarette in my life.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Terra's shirt was also laying balled up near her, with
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a shoeprint on the shirt and a twenty two caliber
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: bullet casing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So they run the ballistics and they find that the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: gun that was used to shoot Tara was actually very unique.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: There's only three types of guns that would make those
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: types of markings on the bullet casing, and they were
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: all by the same manufacturer. And then in the end
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: they figured out it was a Marlin gun. Sto that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: means something to you, yes, okay, So apparently the same
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: manufacturer though, made these three types and it's very specific
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: because I guess it's almost like a fingerprint with the gun.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: The marking on the casing yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I believe it's a I think Remington owns Marlins now,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if they did back in two thousand.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So for police, this was a big break in
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: narrowing down to who the actual killer was. Now, when
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: processing Tara's shirt, they were able to run the tennis
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: shoe sole design in the database that they had, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they found that it would belong to a Nike running
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: shoe with a herringbone print on the sole. However, because
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of the print, it wasn't the full print. They weren't
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: able to determine his shoe size though, but did they
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: at least have that the killer is going to have
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: this type of shoe in their closet. They ran the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: DNA through the databases and there were no matches though
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to the seminal fluid that they had or what was
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: found under Terra's fingernails. Now that they had some sort
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: of framework of who the killer was, they went back
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and they spoke to Terra's friends, because again, these are
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: high school students, so they weren't that open the first
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: time they spoke to them. So they went back and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: checked back when with them, and they admitted that they
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: had been smoking weed prior to her disappearance. They said
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: an older man came around to the house and offered
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: them some marijuana. And the police of course find this
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: completely odd. I mean, this is a grown man in
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: his thirties hanging around with high school students.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Do is they hanging out with him? We're just selling
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: them some weed.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: No, he sold in the weed. Then he stayed, oh yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's like those uh, those guys that hang
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: out at the high school hangouts to three or four
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: years after the party graduated.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that's less weird than a thirty something year old
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: hanging out with a bunch of sixteen year old.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it gets to be that age though, unfortunately because
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they have not moved on from high school some of them.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a huge red flag for police.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: They find out his name was Jeff Thomas, and he
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: actually knew Tara. She would babysit his six year old
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: daughter on occasion. Now they found out that he was
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: when looking into his background, that he was frequently unemployed,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: big surprise, and would crash out his different girlfriend's house
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or stay in his parents' basement. You know, he's a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: real winner, and so he did have a criminal history.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: He had actually attacked someone with a bat and then
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: he spent two years in prison due to that attack.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: What a winner, winner checking dinner.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he pro created. This is a shame,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it really is. Ladies, we got to I know, so
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: we got to do better.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I helpe is then six year old daughter, who's power
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: of old today? What was this two thousand? Oh gosh,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: she's thirty now.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully she's Hopefully she does yes, and hopefully she
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: had a good mom that kept her away from this loser.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So the police bring Jeff in for questioning and he
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: denies that he had any involvement in this. Of course,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: they asked him if he has a gun. He tells
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: them no, but his friend Kevin Williams does have a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: twenty two caliber gun.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Of course Kevin does.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: With Kevin, he said that he had Kevin's gun but
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: had given it to another friend by the name of
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Leonard Dalton Leonard to give back to Kevin.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So this is a a a hot game of hot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: potato pass. But it's a gun.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it sounds like. He's like, uh, yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I know this gun. I had borrowed it, but I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: gave it back. I don't.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I don't give it to somebody else. I didn't give
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it to Kevin, but I gave it to Leonard. Yes,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Leonard's got the gun.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Leonard has it. Jeff gives them his alibi and he
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: has let go. Jeff told police that he stayed at
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: his friend at Kevin's home that night.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Again Kevin's. He's obviously pushing the police towards Kevin.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They then look into his friend Kevin to see what
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: type of person he is. They bring Kevin in and
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: he tells police that he does own a twenty two
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: caliber rifle, but the Jeff was taking care of.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: It for him like a chia pet.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I'm cleaning it and shooting.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Like like my sourdough starters do. Like whenever I told
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Stuck the other day, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: have to have you. Sometimes I don't have time in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the morning to like feed it or whatever, and so
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I told Stu. I was like, You're gonna have to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: He's like looking at me, like seriously.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I got a fourth child there, Yes, we got cats
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to feed, children to feed. Now I got a feed?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: What the hell kind of crap that I get myself into?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Evidently somebody the podcast to I don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: know you were a podcast.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, I did get you into that. Geting got
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: him all these children, got him a podcast. We got
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: him a sourdough starter. We run a supper club on
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the weekends.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I got all sorts of things going on dealing food
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: out of our house. Were dealers.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Completely legal in Texas. Get for the food.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Getting back to our story at hand, Kevin said he
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: did not want to carry it up his icy driveway,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: so Jeff offered to keep it. What the hell does
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that even mean?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I think, I think because it's a rifle, And so
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Jeff had taken him to drop him off and they
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't drive up the icy driveway one day because it
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was in like that it was. He said it was
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a time frame that he handed it to him, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it was sometimes sometime at the end of December to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: this January, so the driveway was super icy. So I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: guess it's a rifle. So he didn't want to try
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to balance that walking up the driveway, balance.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It not balance, didn't want to carry it fall down
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and mess up his rifle.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm saying. He didn't want to have
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: to walk and balance carrying a rifle and risks falling
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: carrying this up the icy driveway, and Jeff couldn't drive
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: up they so Jeff's like, hey, I'll take care of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it for you.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I can really, I don't want to enter Starter. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: don't want to drop my firearms on the pavement either.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to drop my sourdough starter, So I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: would again ask someone to hold it for me.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Kevin told police that he sometimes used the gun for
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: target practice in his own backyard. He also told them
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that Jeff did not stay at his home the night
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: of the the murder. The murder the night.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It was a mistype, Stewart, I see that. Okay.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Police head to his home and search the backyard to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: see if they can recover some kind some type of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: shell casings. They are able to find two, and they
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: send them off to compare to the casings found at
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the crime scene. And they are a match.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: They're identical, yes, And like we said, these are like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: very unique uh shell casing. So it was it's like
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a like a fingerprint for that type of gun.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Well and anything as a fingerprint, okay, because the primer
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: strikes the a shell in a certain area.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so whatever. Anyways, it's a match.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It's a match. It's a twenty two shell you can
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: get into Walmart. I don't know what's unique about a Marlin.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, well they just said it's this specific type. There's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: only three.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That do that rifling. Yes, yeah, police know that this
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: is the gun that was used to kill Tara, but
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: which man was responsible. They don't know who's telling the truth.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: They got to figure it out.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Jeff was seen with them, heard the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: day of, so that's a red flag. But they're all
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: sketchy characters. Not Kevin, Leonard and Jeff were all sketchies.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Finea seems fine.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Kevin's not fine, Stewart, I don't know what's wrong with Yes,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: he's hanging out with Jeff, moving on one of our
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: first favorite phrases. While they're looking into these two men,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: they had an unexpected break in the case. Now, there
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: was a woman who was stopped by police for a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: moving violation, and she told the officer that she knew
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: something about the Terremancy case, which I too, would say
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: anything to get out of traffic ticket. This was a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: new one.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: She was like a.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I did cry. Yeah, did you worry out of it?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I tried it and he gave me an extra ticket
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: for being a bit.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Anyway, So she tells the officer that she knew Jeff
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Thomas and that he had been staying with her during
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the time of that Tara was killed because again he
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: finds new girlfriends and he crashes on their you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: crashes with them. She was brought in for questioning, where
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: she told police that the night of the murder, she
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: remembered Jeff coming home very early the next morning, around
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: six thirty am. He was muddy, and he was acting frantic,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and he had a scratch on his face. Jeff told
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the woman that he quote had just fucked up and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that he quote wished he had done it a different way,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that he didn't mean to do it, and those are
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: his words. Continuing, Jeff told her that he had met
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Tara at her job and then they went down the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: road to party a little bit. This is again what
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Jeff's saying, so we're not sure. And he assumed she
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: wanted sex. He so again, he's thirty seven years old
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and this is a sixteen year old girl, So like whatever, yeah, cool,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Jeff told the woman that they got into an argument
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: near a deserted spot that had a ditch, and during
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the argument, Tara pushed Jeff and he pushed her and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: she fell down. According to the woman, Jeff said that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Tara was on her hands and knees and that's when
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: he grabbed the gun from his side and shot her
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: three times in the head. Like, why was the gun
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: on your side. It's a rifle, it's not like it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like holstered. Yes, yeah, he made it sound like it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: was like this this like non intentional act that he
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was doing. When he's telling this woman, he obviously they
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: can tell by the forensic evidence that he stomped on
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: her chest at some point, holding her down, and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: shot her like you know, towards the ground. But when
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: he's describing it to this woman, he's just acting like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: this all just suddenly happened, just like it's just a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: naturally occurring thing that happened.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, the temptress tempted me into going to have sex
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and then some happened and I made me do it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the fact that Tara had been shot three
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: times in the head. Oh. He also told the woman
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that he threw the gun in the water. So the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: fact that Tara had been shot in the head three
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: times was information only known by police and the killer.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: They did not release that information to the public. So
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: he told the woman not to tell anyone that he
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: had been there what had happened, And the woman said
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the reason that she hadn't came forward before because she
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was really scared of Jeff, which I mean does make sense. So,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it hasn't been that long since the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: murders of this souls happening within a month's time of
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: or less than a month from when Tara was killed.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: With this information, police are able to obtain a search warrant.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: When processing Jeff's car, they found shoes that matched the
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: prints of the shoes from the crime scene.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't even get rid of his shoes. It's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: probably though, I think most of his belongings were in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the car, so he probably didn't have any other shoes,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like this was it like if he got
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: rid of his that chair of shoes, he wouldn't have barefoot.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, they also recovered ten strands of hair with the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: roots attached. Three of these matched Terror's DNA. They also
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: collected his DNA and compared it to the biological evidence
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: found on Tara that was also a match. It also
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: matched the DNA found on the cigarette found at the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: crime scene. On February seventeenth, two thousand, Jeff was arrested,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: charged and charged with capital murder and using a firearm
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: while committing a capital murder. Police believe he stopped at
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the Taco Bell around the time Terror was getting off.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: He offered her some marijuana and that's how he got
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: her to go with him.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wonder if she just kind of because she
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: did leave the food behind, if she just thought it
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was probably cold, so she probably got in his car
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and then he probably took off with theirs.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: What I'm thinking, block and yeah, you don't want to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: be sent in a parking lot one to comps roll.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Up, No in front of your place of work, even
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: if it's a taco bell. Don't watch you out there
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: getting high in the parking lot. No.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: What police believe is that he then propositioned her for sex,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and when she refused, he attacked her. She was able
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to scratch his face while fending him off, but he
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: overpowered her and at some point sexually assaulted her. He
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: then shot her multiple times, kicked her body down the ravine,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and then smoked a cigarette. In an interview after his arrest,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: he said that on the day of the murder, Tara
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: had gone to the bank to get money out to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: buy weed from him. This was confirmed with baked statements
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: of Terror's. He then stopped talking and asked for counsel.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: In March of two thousand and one, Jeff Thomas was
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: tried and convicted of capital murder. He was sentenced to death,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: but Tara's mom opposed the death penalty. He was then
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: re sentenced in two thousand and two to life without parole,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: which Tara's mom I don't care because if Jeff's sentence
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: gets commuted because you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Don't they listen to you, she's dead now soon.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Well. Still, people, just because you're opposed to the death
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: penalty doesn't mean you get to choose what happens, even
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: if they murdered your family member.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Well, see, this is where I'm of the opposite opinion
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of Stu. Because if it's your family member and you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: want the death penalty for them, then I think you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: should be able to go after that. But if that's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: your But if you're the family member, then and you
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: don't want the death penalty. That's also your choice because
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: they give the families the choice. They currently give the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: families the choice. Now what they want to go after.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's too bad.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Well that's because of his life.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: If his sentence gets commuted and then he can get
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: out of jail and come and get somebody else.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Well, this is true, but I'm just saying that the family,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: they talk to the families. Do you want to go
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: for the death penalty or do you want They always
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: talk to the families, So I'm just saying.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I would not go for the death penalty.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: If it meant that he was going to get something,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: he might get a lighter sentence than life with parole. Say, hey,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: if we go for this, he got lost without parole.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: If we go for this first degree murder with the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: death penalty, it could fall through and the jury and
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: bad things could happen in the sentencing. So would you
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like to go for a lesser sentence?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Well, to be honest with you, though, he probably he
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: got convicted and was sentenced to death. But look at
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson was that too, and they've changed his sentence,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so who knows? She just didn't want that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And then well they said there was something wrong with
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: his something about the when they screened him for bias
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and the death penalty or something, which.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: We'll cover in our special patreons.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I think it was him. I might have been somebody
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: else that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Got commuted anyways, but yeah, the mom didn't want it,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: so they she asked for leniency I guess for and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that's just what. I don't know what the dad's opinion was.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: They did. The mom and dad did get remarried after
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the daughter's death, and then the mom died of cancer
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in I think two thousand and six. So let's hope
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: he doesn't get out people, but he I doubt anybody's
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: commuting old Jeff Thomas's sentence.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: He didn't seem like a likely cannonate for a commutation.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: No. Anyways, all right, well that's our case for this week.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Stu's controversial opinions there at the end.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Just what pro death penalty is controversial?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just if the family didn't want it, I mean,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: who am I to argue?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I am?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you have a yell need Jesus.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I have one? Okay, would you like to hear it?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, do you have it ready to go?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Of course I do.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll see.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: MTA worker who slashed himself faked subway attack so he
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: could take the summer off, speaks out. He said he
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: did it for love, obviously, not Florida.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it could be Florida in a subway.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Oh what subways they got in Florida.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I thought you were saying that because it was the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: New York Post, like it could be Florida. But yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: they don't have a not a lot of subways over there.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: With the Florida.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: It was just like sinking into the ground over there.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: That still terrifies me that they have those sinkholes.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, over and in the Tampa area, I think is
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: worth they're more common.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like I still remember that story about that
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: guy that was in his bed and he just.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Was started scramming and the brother ran and just watched
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: him fall into the.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Earthth Yeah, it's crazy. We could fall into a sinkhole here.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's sink holes here.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel like the earth is
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: in well.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Baby Jessica fell into a well here soon.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did learn that the baby Jessica thing
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is it was out here?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, we have been reminded of that. Anyway to our
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: story coming to us from August sixth, twenty twenty four,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: by Kevin she Han and George Fitzgibbon. He went off
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the rails for love. The MTA worker who claimed he
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: was attacked in a Queen's subway station by an unhinged stranger,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: going as far as to slash his own hands also
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: he could get the summer off, told the Post he
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: had a plausible reason for the hoax. Are you ready
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to hear this plausible reason?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Henry Herring, aged fifty four, in an interview Tuesday, said
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: fifty four, said he needed time to take care of
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: his sick fiance. I know what I did looks like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: something very horrible whatever, the Brooklyn man admitted. But I
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: have a very good reason for what I did. Harrying,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the transit system cleaner who was hired last January has
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: since been suspended without pay, claimed his Galpal. Yes, it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: written as Galpal had two brain surgeries and it caused
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: brain leakage, and that that he'd go to visit her
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: at Methodist Hospital every day after he got off work.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I did something stupid. At the end of the day,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I did it for someone I love, he said, I.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Feel sorry for him, do you h Am I going
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to change my mind?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Is this story because I have no idea. I did
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: not read the story. Of course, of course what I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: did was stupid. I admit it was very deplorable. At
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, I wanted to be there
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: for a family member, he added. I didn't think, he added,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: admitted I was a poser, pretentious all of that. The
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: thing is, I want to be there for someone I
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: care about. End of the day, I had a real
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: good reason for what I did. I am not crazy.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Harrying was charged last week with falsely reporting an incident
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: for telling cops that he was attacked while cleaning the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: train at the one seventy ninth Street subway station in
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Jamaica shortly after three am on July thirty first.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Jamaica.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a place called Jamaica. Oh, but surveillance cameras
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to Jamaica, New York, yes, okay, or subway station. I
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not very familiar with the Burrows and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: all the inner going.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: We're not that cool, yes, we're not that close.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: But surveillance cameras caught him red handed and exposed the ruse.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: According to a criminal complaint, my goal was to have
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the summer off because it was too hot down there,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: he allegedly told police. According to court records.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I thought he was going for his girlfriend.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Well, he denied, But the police.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Are saying because if he got attacked, he probably got
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: paid because it wasn't his. Yeah, he got injured on
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the job. This was okay, I take it back. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: don't feel sorry for him. He's full of shit. Does
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend even exist? Did she have brain surgery? It's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: very hot in New York, so yes, I think he's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a liar.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, he said no, I did not say that.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The cop said that you just wanted to take the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: summer off, didn't you. I was shaking my head. I
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: was distraught. The cop I was talking to, he said
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: it came from a three star chief. That's the MTA
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Transit police. They gave him that. They gave him that,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: not me. Oh, he's saying that. The cop was asking
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: him if he wanted the summer off, and he said
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: he was shaken from the attack. Yeah, and so the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: cop said he admitted to just wanting to summer off,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: He's saying. He didn't say.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe I feel yeah, maybe maybe he as
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the cop was like, you're a liar. You just want
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it off because it's fucking hot.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Out of here.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, my girlfriend, it's three o'clock in the morning,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: ain't that hut.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Harrying did acknowledge that he wanted some time off. With
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: less than two years on the job, he didn't have
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: enough a crude time to get a paid leave, he said,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: end of the day, we get one sick day a month.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: One sick day a month. That's terrible. I used mine up.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I had no choice. You had a choice. He then
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: admitted that he still had five unused sick days at
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the time that he faked the attack, but assumed he
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: needed them for his physical rehab appointments. Harrying said that
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: he'll he'd do it all over again given the chance,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: but this time he'd be smarter to avoid getting caught
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: by surveillance cameras.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: The po last, He's honest now, I would do.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It all over again if I had to do it
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: again to be there for her, I would, he said,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I gotta admit I would I probably would go about
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: it better because I know there's cameras down there. Harrying,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: who has fucked the police tattoo on his arm, has
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: served two Houstonson State prison on robbery and gun chargers.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't believe him again. I'm back to not
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: believing you.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But he said he's turned a corner and earned associates
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and bachelor's degrees.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I believe him again.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. He said, I'm not unemployable. I have
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: two college degrees.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: What are they in?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: It does not He then clarified that he has an
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: associate's degree, but it's still thirteen credit shy of as
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: bachelor's which he.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Is currently work, which is a semester.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I am employable, but at the same time, I want
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to be a career. I want Okay, I'm going too fast.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I want that to be my career. The MTA harringson, well,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be anymore. I have nothing bad
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: to say about the MTA. I muffed up. At the
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: end of the day. I apologize to everybody, my MTA family. Wow.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Is he still employed at the No, he's suspended without pay.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, while the investigation Okay, don't.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't believe him. Now I'm back to he's being sketchy.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Between tending to his fiance, she recovers, anthems.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: His fiance girlfriend.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: No, it's his fiance. In the beginning, you just don't.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Want you, said girlfriend.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: You weren't paying attention.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I said, you called her gal pal.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: The story called her a galpal. I did not say that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Between tending to his fiance as she recovers and physical
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: therapy for injuries he said he sustained in the car
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: accident in April, he simply needed a break. I understand,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: you just need a break sometimes you're overwhelmed.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Well, the problem is the problem is he needed to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: get paid. But there's some states that you get paid
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: with your FMLA. But the problem is he's only been
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: working there since January. You need to be employed a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: year to get FMLA benefits.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Well, he said two for that. One's huh. All, well,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: FMLA for.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Federal, but I don't know what I think. Some states
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like New York, California, they'll pay you during your FMLA,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: like other states though won't.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: He's got to be married for that, but.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Then he'd also have to be married to her. Then
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: just being.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a step he in a commitment of hand.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Well, no, no, he's willing to stab himself, but not Mary.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no marriage to get His fiance works
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: for the Department of Social Services at a city migrant
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: celf shelter, he said, but declined to provide her name,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: other details about their relationship, or pictures of the two
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: of them together.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think this is very sketchy.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: He did provide documents on city stationery that appeared to
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: show she was approved for a leave of absence from
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: July five to September twenty.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Do we even know if this woman exists?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: We don't harry, and also provided medical records that seemed
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: to indicate he underwent a cat scan and other procedures
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: following the injuries he said he sustained in a car
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: crash on April nineteenth. If I had a chance to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: right this wrong, I would, he said of his slashing ruse.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I love my job, I love the MTA. They gave
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: me a chance. I messed up. I wasn't thinking. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: suggest you don't.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Try it, noted sir.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: His nextor his next court date is on the October eighth.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: He said he wanted to t on his side after
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: seeing the Post front page story about his case, which
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: he seemed to enjoy. When I saw myself on the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: front page, I had to clap back, he said. And
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: may and may look stupid to the world. Loco motive.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: That was his headline, Loco motive. But at the end
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: of the day, that's what I did what I did.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: That's why I did what I did. It was all
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: for love.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: This is why you shouldn't cover these things, because look,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: he got a big kick out of being on the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: front page, even though it was for something not good.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: So slashing his own hands, all right, why things a fact?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well I'm back to not believing him. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: don't there was There should be some Facebook pictures of
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: him and the girlfriend or something, you know, there should
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: be something something that we can verify, Yes, verify they
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: know each other. He didn't find just some random girl
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: in the hospital that was in a car wreck like something.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: All right, well that's it for us too. We better
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: go check on these children.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Make sure they're Yeah, they're awful quiet.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: They're awfully quiet, which is a They were awfully quiet earlier,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and I thought they were in there watching Miss Rachel
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: or Miss Apple and they were in here pulling all
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the the shredder bags off the roll.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how you just not. If Miss
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Apple's on TV, you watch Miss appen.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I know my brother cames like, I'll watch Miss Apple too.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I'll watch Miss Apple.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Anyways. All right, well check us out Patreon. We got that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: You gotta sign up for the Patroons, we got the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: new we're gonna do the Scott Peterson thing.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Don't let her pull you. We'll tell you if it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: up or not. You better check social media.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: If that's your only reason for signing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Up, that's my not it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: We'll post it for Actually, okay, I'll be I'll be
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: transparent if it's not going to happen, but I'm really
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: gonna try. And then it's Ktagram, Facebook, rate review, subscribed
• 47:01
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• 47:04
  Speaker 1: it's anything else you'd like to say, Stu, I would not. Okay,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: all right, we'll see you next time. Bye everyone, say
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: bye Stu.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Bye. St Don't you know.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: It's bad to be SUPERSTI shots by mapping Elsin's working
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: and it's pretty learning and sick. It's worthy.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I can