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What's going on everybody. Hope you're doing well out there. I wanted to
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let you know that we recorded this Table Talk interview show on Monday, May
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twenty seventh, twenty twenty four. That's right Memorial Day. By the time
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you hear this, some things may have changed here or there, but we
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hope you enjoy the show. All right, folks, welcome to Table Talk
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here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports
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podcast show in the world, eleven years strong. We've got a great discussion
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coming your way here on Table Talk this week. We've got a good friend
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of the podcast joining us in just a few seconds. He was on our
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Eagles postgame shows a lot during this past NFL season and Eagles season. Can't
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wait to get to this discussion in just a bit. We're gonna be getting
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into this Philadelphia seventy six ers off season first, reflecting on where this front
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office is, how they have done and performed over the years. Have they
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given Joe ellenmbiid the tools to really succeed in terms of the playoff picture and
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postseason year after year, and really, you know what's gonna happen with this
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team in free agency and the NBA Draft coming up. We got a great
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discussion, let's get right to it. Joining us this week here on table
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Talk. We absolutely love talking to him and also love listening to the honorable
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mentioned podcast. I listen on Apple Podcasts, subscribe on whatever platform you are
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on. He's over on threads as well at Politidope, and he's one of
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my favorites out there in the sports media world. We've got the one and
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only Matt Rodgers. Hey doing, Buddy good good to be considered in the
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in the sports media world that's not normally you know. Also, Matt Rodgers
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is also known as the guy who does Philly sports media. So thanks for
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having me on. Absolutely Buddy, it's great being able to see you here
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over zoom as we're recording this. Great being able to talk to you during
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this Sixers off season, and as we start the discussion here, Matt,
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you know, I've been doing a lot of reflection on this Sixers team,
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who they have been over the years, where they may be going in the
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future, what's happening right now with this front office, and my thoughts go
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back to one individual, and it's Darryl Moury, you know, because when
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we reflect on Daryl Mory's time with the Sixers, I'm wondering do you think
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he has done all he can to put the necessary pieces around Joel Embiid.
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And I asked this too with an understanding of knowing that unforeseen issues have been
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the reason why the Sixers, you know, at times, keep getting knocked
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out of the postseason early injuries, just different things happening with this team again,
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unforeseen circumstances at times, and that's the world of sports in general.
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So I'm wondering, do you think Daryl Moray has done all he can to
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put the necessary pieces, like I asked around Joel embid Or has Daryl Moury
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not done the best job in terms of holding around Joel here? What are
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your thoughts as we're moving forward here? It's a to be determined. I
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think you know, when you have me on here, we talk about the
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Birds, we give guys grades just to you know, just to not to
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linger on the point too much. I think overall, Daryl moy is like
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a B plus GM. I think it's a bit of a two be determined
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right now because I think the last off season they made the determination that they
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were going to try to get leave themselves the flexibility in this off season to
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do whatever it is, kind of like with the Phillies. They said that
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we're not going to load up and do a bunch of potentially reckless or desperate
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things in the off season. We'll wait, we'll see how it looks at
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the All Star break. Now, you know, we didn't come here to
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talk about the Phills, but that's an interesting calculation. The Sixers said that
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it's going to be the summer of twenty twenty four when we decide what we're
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going to do. So I think in the in the next you know,
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twenty four months, will know, we'll have a verdict on Daryl Mory.
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We're overall, I would say Daryl Moriy is a pretty good GM. I
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think he really does tinker around the edges. Buddy healed. I think I
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think Buddy healed ended up. He looked good on paper. I think I
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put that more on Buddy on on it not working out in Philly. Yeah,
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And I think, you know, going back to Buddy coming to the
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team, you know those first what was it, first four games, first
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four or five or six games, and he was just absolutely on fire,
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kind of took a little bit of a nose dive after that. But you
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know what Darryl Moury saw and again, like you said, on paper,
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I think it was a good move. It's a move that needed to be
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made at that time. And again, unforeseen circumstances what I was asking about
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initially. It's like nobody saw that Buddy Heald was necessarily going to be non
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existent towards the end of the season, especially during the postseason. Nobody would
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have guessed that if they did, if they had a crystal ball or a
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magic wand then I don't think Daryl Murray would have actually made the decision that
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Anthony Meltin. Yeah, who knew the Anthony Moultain would have the bad back.
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Yes, I mean you can and be trick. I always say that
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when I get opportunity to come on one of these shows. Just you know,
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it's not just like you know, for a particular sport, you tweak
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your back, you know, getting up from your office desk listening to the
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you know, pst in a second, it could be tricky for a few
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months for you and you're not competing. Most likely, if you're listening to
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this podcast, you're most likely not competing at championship level. I mean the
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Anthony Melton is a three and D guy who could have known that that he
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was gonna take it, And it's not, you know, for lack of
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trying. He's trying to be out there, but his play he can't be
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who who you need him to be. And so it is a lot of
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unforeseen I think some of what was foreseen, and we'll get into some of
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that is the lack of productivity from Tobias Harris, but I think he inherited
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Tobias Harris if I'm correct. Yes, Yeah, So Tobias Harris zero points
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in a playoff game fantastic. Like you said, we'll probably end up getting
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into him a bit here. But as we're moving along with a discussion here,
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Matt, you know, at this point the Clippers are unwilling to offer
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Paul George more than they are willing more than they gave Kawhi Leonard three years,
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one hundred and fifty two point three million dollars. So let's get into
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the discussion of Paul George possibly coming to the Philadelphia six Ers seventy six ers,
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because it really seems as those Sixers front office seems like they do,
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from all indications, want to sign Paul George during free agency, which would
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probably look like a four year, two hundred and twelve million dollar max deal.
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So I guess my question for you is, and as as somebody who
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follows this team and somebody who is a huge, huge, huge fan as
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well, do you believe it's gonna happen? And second, do you think
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Paul George commands that kind of contract at this point in his career? What
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are your thoughts. I it's one of those where I'm hoping that this is
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just smoking mirrors because I you know, and I don't want to slam the
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guy. I think Paul George has been a solid, very good NBA player.
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I just don't think Paul George would I think is a thirty four years
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old something thirty four to thirty five years old the back half of his career.
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He's not the answer. And I'm not making an iris a joke or
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anything for the folks trying to be plenty or anything, but seriously, I
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mean, this is the back half of his career and I would much rather
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I'll leave a dot dot dot there. There's Jeff wanted to get into later.
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Somebody who somebody who would fit more in the mold of what you're looking
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for from Paul George. I think you give Paul George that kind of contract,
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you load up this salary cap and you're going all in. I don't
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think you need to make that drastic of a move, and I don't think
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he's going to cash out like that. I mean, he's not He's not
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a he's not a Max player in that way. He's not a guy if
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Max he's out that you can depend on Paul George. You might still get
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sweat if if if one of the big two are out for the for the
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sixers, it's not He's not going to be able to fill that void in
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BA. He is legitimately a third option at this point, and there's you
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can do a lot better with your money than Paul George in my opinion.
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I've gone on record on this podcast platform saying, you know, yeah,
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it'd be it'd be okay to have Paul George here. But like I said,
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I've gone on record to say I kind of feel like, nah,
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like all right, all right, you know, like and you outlined it
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perfectly. He's at the tail end of his career. Does he really command
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that type of money, which the Sixers do have. But I don't know.
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I think, Derek, because you have it, you don't have to
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spend it, by the way, post right exactly exactly, you don't have
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to do it. And I guess that leads to the next, you know
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question I have. The ultimate question is is Paul George and how he plays
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on the court the missing piece for the Sixers to advance through the playoffs?
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I mean, from what you essentially just said just in terms of that contract,
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probably not, because if Joel Embiid is me seeing, if Tyrese Maxie
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is missing or both at the same time, I don't think he's going to
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be able to put the team on its back, whether it's later in the
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season or even early in the season to get the necessary wins. Like I
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just I just can't see it. As as interesting as it would be.
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I don't want to pay that type of money. I don't want the Sixers
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paying that type of money. I should say, bringing in somebody again on
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the tail end of his career where I'm feeling a little meh about it.
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So what are your thoughts here? And this is the Yeah, absolutely,
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that's and that's the tough thing about doing this kind of thing. Jeff,
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it's a lot of fun. I always tell you always, you know,
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it's a great release for me in terms of what I do. Uh,
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But that's a tough thing about about, you know, really trying to call
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balls and strikes and watching the games and really trying to give answers, legitimate
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answers on these things, because you know it comes off as you know,
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you know, Matt Rogers or whoever blank slams this player and says that they're
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not worth the money. If he's sure, he could be worth the money.
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But for what the Sixers are trying to do right now, there are
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teams who are trying to do and he fits in line with that. He
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can go get four for two tohweight somewhere else, just not Philadelphia right now
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because you hamstring so much of the and and I don't know if they're exactly
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in a win now do they do they think the window is two years from
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now? You think the years the windows two or three years from now?
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The answer is not, Paul George flat out yeah, yeah, you're absolutely
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correct. Well, I'm wondering as we're looking at free agency, a lot
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of us have read a lot of articles. You know, we've seen the
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tweets or posts out there with regard to some you know or threads, I
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should say, because I know you're on threads, buddy, and I know,
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yes, we've seen a lot of the names that are out there.
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So let's get into some of these, because again, the Sixers do have
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some money to spend, So thoughts on the following players. Let's start off
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the discussion with Jimmy Butler. Do you think that is a rational logical decision
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and choice for Darryl Moore to bring back to this team again at this in
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his career, the type of player he has become. We all have a
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lot of nostalgia about Jimmy Butler in Sixers Nation, But do you think having
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Jimmy Butler back on this team is a move that the Sixers should make.
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The Herald on the they wrote recently about how much he would be commanding that
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he's expecting a contract. The discussions are in the neighborhood of two years,
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one hundred and thirteen. At that no way in the world, gosh,
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no way, we're even in the same zip code or hemisphere. Jimmy Butler
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wants to come for you know, maybe twenty five and you fit in and
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be you know that fourth fifth. Sure it'd be great. I was going
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to say thirty for two years. Thirty for two years, I'd take that.
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Well, of course, you yes, yes, but yeah, he
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expects a lot of money and he's a name, and he's you know,
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shown up and been, you know, the guy taking his team to the
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NBA finals. So sure he can command that, and it's possible that he
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gets somewhere in that neighborhood. I just don't think that that makes any sense
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at all from the Sixers standpoint. Now, I'm wondering brandon Ingram. I'm
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wondering what that may look like for this team. I think it's an interesting
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discussion piece because of the type of player he is, what the Sixers need.
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What are your thoughts on brandon Ingram possibly coming here. I think he's
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a good player. You would have to tell me more about what the rest
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of the plan is, because I think there are some limitations. I mean,
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he's very, very skinny, and so sometimes if you want to play
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him as you know, a stretch five, you know there are some limitations.
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And so what CBS quoted his number, you know in the neighborhood of
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four years, two oh eight. Yeah, I'd be willing to have the
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conversation. But if you say, Matt, pick yes or pick no,
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I'm picking no. No, I'm comfortable, and I walk away, and
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I'll walk away from the table and not be too uncomfortable. I look at
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his stats, and look, I do look at him as a versatile type
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of forward, six foot eight, he's one time All Stars. We know,
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completed his eighth NBA season sixty four games with the Pelicans. He averaged
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twenty point eight points, five point two rebounds, him four point three assists,
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and he shot thirty five percent from beyond the arc. I don't see
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that as terrible, but I also don't necessarily see it as Okay, we
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got to get this guy on this team again. A lot of players out
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there in my in my mind kind of fit that Brandon Ingram mold in a
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way where it's like, okay, absolutely could yeah, could he really?
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I mean maybe he could be a fallback plan for the sixers or so.
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But that's how I view Brandon Ingram. A really good player, but I
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don't know how incredibly special he is, if that makes sense. No,
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No, because he's could well, I think you do know, and I
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think you know that the answer is that he's not. He's a poor man's
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Kevin Durant, and I'm not, you know, trying to dismerg him,
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because that's that's a hell of a player. Yeah, but at the end
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of the day, even even the real Kevin Durant, does that get this
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team over the top? Now? Right? So no, I I if
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I had to pick one, I'm gonna go with no. But Brandon Ingram
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is a good player. I'm not saying he's a B player to B plus
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player. I think we're getting near the peak of what we'll see from Brandon
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Ingram, which is on sunnights, a thirty point score and makes it look
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pretty easy. I just don't know. I would feel more comfortable now if
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you say pick b I or pick Paul George. I'm picking Brendan Ingram and
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I'm very comfortable with that as well. So if Joelle is out in a
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playoff game, do I feel comfortable that Brandon Ingram can drop thirty? Yeah?
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I do think. Okay, all right, next guy on the list
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here, I want to get your thoughts on because I believe he's intriguing and
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that is DeMar DeRozan from the Chicago Bulls. Here look, Daryl Mory held
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a press conference where he mentioned how the Sixers are going to be looking to
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add a productive wing player this offseason, and between DeMar de Rozan's ability and
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his improved playmaking over the years, he could be a player that Philly gets
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in the market for. But you know, we know that DeMar Rosen has
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kind of made his intentions clear about what he wants, you know, with
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that with the next team or contract or wherever he's going to be going in
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the future. What do you think about DeMar DeRozan. I really like it.
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I think at the number that he'll probably command, I think at the
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point of his career, the role I think you can you can fit DeMar
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de Rozan into. I mean you can fit Demart de Rozan on a lot
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of teams in the league. I mean there are thirty teams in the league.
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He's damn near fits and will play well on twenty five. I mean
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unless he's shoving people to this side. So as your two guard, you
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let MAXI run the one, DeRozan at the two and beat at the five,
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and you fill out the rest. I really do think that DeMar Derozen
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would be a good ad for this team at at a really reasonable number.
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Again, I got all these sports not quoted at three years, one thirty.
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I'm very I'm very interested. I thinkmar Deroza would be a good a
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good pick up, absolutely, and that kind of leads us now into you
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know where, uh, you know, possibly looking at some role players.
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And a guy that I'm thinking could potentially be a good role player for the
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Sixers team is Malik Monk. What are your thoughts on Malik Monk and what
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he could possibly bring this team. I'm also a big I'm big on Malik
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Monk. I think that's also a good pickup too. I think he's a
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good, you know, spacer, floor spacer that the team needs that sorely.
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Even with the advancement in the three point shot from Tyrese MAXI I think
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having Elak Monk in the mix there will really space things. You gotta have
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space. I think what's also important though, is whatever they do, and
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I'll get to some of these things later, is you do need some rebounding.
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Yeah, so Malik Monk doesn't fix that, but he does fix some
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of the other issues. So, folks, if you're listening just a sneak
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peek, don't expect Malik Monk to, you know, be a triple double
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type of guy, right, He's a guy who's going to create other opportunities
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for other guys on the team. I gotta tell you, Matt, I
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love how you just talked about rebounding because we saw time and time again,
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game after game during the postseason how rebounding was an issue. It's atrocious.
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It drives me crazy, it was. It drives me crazy because it is
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one of the fundamentals of the sport of basketball that these guys learn when they're
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playing high school or even even when they're in the middle school, for God's
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sake, in terms of rebounds, boxing out for the love of God,
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and this team needs some talent in order to actually be effect the rebounders,
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rebounders and offensive rebounds as well. I mean how many times, I mean,
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oh my gosh, Yeah, he's a bit. Joel's a big guy
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and he's able to you know, sky over and get ten twelve rebounds in
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his sleep. But he's not a great rebounder. He's not a he's not
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a guy who's you know, clearing guys out and the team has just for
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years, especially even in games that matter. Watching the game, the ball,
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the offensive rebounds should never especially with like less than a minute left of
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the game, touch the ground. I mean what you let guys get three
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possessions on the biggest possession of the game. You're supposed to you got it.
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The only way you close. You make the guy take a tough shot,
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he clanks it, and then they get a rebound. You missed the
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rebound, they get another shot. This is stuff that I taught to fifth
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graders like a decade ago, Like, hey, you want to limit the
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other team to at least two shots? Guys? Maybe if you don't get
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that personal absolutely absolutely Again, folks, we're talking to Matt Rogers from the
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Honorable Mention podcast. Follow him on threads at politidope. He is a great,
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great follow like myself, very involved in public service, and uh,
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you're gonna get some fun public service political stuff as well as some great sports
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takes here and there. So as we're still talking about free agency here,
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buddy, I mean, are are there are there any other players that you
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would like to see coming to the Sixers in free agency? Maybe perhaps some
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role players, somebody else, maybe Lebron James. Who knows. What are
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your thoughts here? Oh, I would love Lebron James. I mean that's
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that's that's like Christmas. But it's not happening. Lebron's going to stay a
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lake Er. I would, I would, I would, I would bet.
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I mean, I would love it. I love some of those clickbait
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articles that are out there. You know what I mean, Lebron's gonna be
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coming to this. Yeah he actually does iron I mean, yeah, yeah,
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we embrace you. You know, you can go back to Kobe's you
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know, you played with the Lakers, have that Philly connection. Come to
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Philly. Yes, be pretty cool. I love it. But in a
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serious note, I really think that Ognobi, you get og Annob, you
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get Demarta Rosen. That's a great pairing right there, that that kind of
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solidifies the Wings. Ognobi was a big problem for the Sixers in the regular
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season and in the postseason. You take him away. I mean he was
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on the Rocket the I'm sorry, the Raptors. Raptors. Yeah, he
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was a problem on the Raptors in a good way. Uh, and then
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on the on the Knicks. I mean those games a lot of times ogn
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Andobi would provide that spark plug play. I mean, there are a lot
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of guys who made great plays, but Ognobi is able to just de up
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you know, pretty much one through four. And the way that the NBA
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has played played now, he can guard one through four. It's so important
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to have a guy like that. He's still as sending his kind tracking out
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it. I don't believe going to be two crazy four year one point fifty.
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Uh. New York was twenty six and six with Ananobi in the lineup
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last year, including the postseason. So I would love to have him.
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I'd love to have him too. Uh. And it's a good segue into
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then what happens with this team during the NBA Draft as well as we're closing
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our discussion here, Matt. I mean, last week on the podcast here,
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my co host Eric and I we talked about what the Sixers should do
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with their first round draft pick in this upcoming NBA draft. I mean,
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there's a lot of good thoughts out there as to whether or not they should
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trade the pick and continue to build the team through various other acquisitions or try
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to, you know, throw something against the wall see if it sticks.
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I mean, it's certainly not the best looking draft class. As many of
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us know, tons of teams are probably going to be wanting to trade their
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picks as well. What do you think the Sixers should do in this draft
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with that first round pick? What are your thoughts here to close this out?
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Generally, I'm a big fan of just trading back and love us.
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You're you're in love with somebody, or you have a real position of need.
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I'm just always I don't really believe in the NBA draft picks. Let
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the other teams pick them, train them up, make sure that we'll find
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out if we're good. I'll go get over it in a couple of years
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with some of my good guys or some other picks that I stashed. So
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usually that's the way I like to do it. But uh, I think
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the guy the center, and I'm gonna mess up this name, so no
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offense, you know intended. It's a vess Mesi, the center from Baylor.
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He's he's a center more in the mold of like a Clint Capella guy,
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which I think too earlier our conversation about rebounding. He's the kind of
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guy that we need. We need a guy who's going to be a rim
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roller. You need that kind of guy in the NBA. It'll be interesting
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to see how he's able out to play out of the short role. You
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catch it like Draymond Green, you don't roll all the way to the basket.
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You short roll, and then you might make a quick decision to get
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it out to a playmaker or hit the mid range. It'd be interesting to
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see. But I really do believe that we need to give Joel Embiid the
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freedom to basically play as a big four, big a huge three. I
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don't think I think to our point earlier about the you know, deficiencies with
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rebounding, I think we need to stop trying to hope that Joel Embiid is
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gonna be able to one year seriously be in enough shape. He's gonna be
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hobbled. If we get to the finish line, he's gonna be crying,
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he's gonna be hobbled, he's gonna have drop forty. That's the way it's
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gonna go. And so you have to take all of that into account.
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How do the Sixers get to that place that we're gonna go with Joel and
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build around some of the things because he's he is an amazing player, but
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there are things in his game that you have to build around in order to
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offset because now at this point it's clear that he does need that help,
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even if he wins a championship. Now, he's one of the great players,
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but you know, he's not a he's not a Kobe, he's not
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a you know, a Lebron type of guy. He's a great player,
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but he's the kind of guy who you have to really and Biggs are like
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that. But so so, a backup big is really important. Say all
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that to say, a backup big is one of those big needs. I
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absolutely love the way we ended the conversation there because I totally agree with you.
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It's absolutely necessary as this team is moving forward here, Matt, It's
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necessary. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely it is. That's gonna do it for
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us folks. Here on table talk again, Matt Rogers from the honorable mentioned
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podcast I listen on Apple Podcasts. I'm subscribed. There always great conversations that
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Matt is having with various individuals within the Philly sports community, various writers,
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and always good good stuff coming from the honorable mentioned podcast. At Politidope on
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threads, Matt Buddy it was great talking to you, a great scene.
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Yes, great, dude. I'm looking forward to possibly doing some Eagles postgame
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shows with you. We can talk about the Eagles maybe around training camp.
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Are they gonna know how to win? I hope so, I hope.
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So we can't see a collection, yes, Oh my gosh for I all
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right, I I if they go over four, I'm not doing any of
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this again, okay, And I'm just it's because I answered the Echo taper,
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so I'm done. So I'll go for Sundays. After that, I'm
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done. Okay, after that, you're done. If it's oh for four?
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I love them. I love them folks. Matt Rogers, the one
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and only buddy. It was great seeing you come back and join us down
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the road. All right, thank you. That's gonna do it for us
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