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DEAD IN WALMART: Teen girl chased, stabbed dead in aisle · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: How many times have you let your child go just
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  Speaker 1: a few aisles over at let's just say Target or
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  Speaker 1: the grocery store. How many times have my children, John,
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  Speaker 1: David and Lucy run away to go pick out some
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  Speaker 1: sugary cereal while I'm in the organic veggie section all
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  Speaker 1: the time. You'd think that would be safe, right wrong?
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  Speaker 1: How does a young teen girl end up dead at Walmart? Walmart?
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  Speaker 1: Where you go, where I go, where the twins go.
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  Speaker 1: We're always in and out of Walmart for one reason
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  Speaker 1: or the other. How does someone get stabbed dead at Walmart?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious x
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  Speaker 1: every time you heard a team that's our friends here
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  Speaker 1: in the studio and at Fox Nation beeping out all
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  Speaker 1: the curse words. But I learned on about day two
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  Speaker 1: trying cases in front of an inner city Atlantic jury,
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  Speaker 1: that I had to say every single thing the defendant
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  Speaker 1: and others said to the jury with me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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  Speaker 1: together again. Renowned psychoanalysts joining us out of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: The star of a brand new Netflix show, Bleeding Empire.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Star of his own
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  Speaker 1: new program on the Street Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons. Daryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: former prosecutor turned defense attorney, no stranger to a courtroom
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  Speaker 1: partner at Cohen Cooper, Estep and Allen. Also with me
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  Speaker 1: Levi Page Crime Online dot com. Investigative reporter with his
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  Speaker 1: own podcast, Crimes and Scandals. But first to special guests
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  Speaker 1: who joining us Today's name is Phil Chalmers. He wrote
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  Speaker 1: the book Inside the Mind of a Team Killer on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Criminal profiler, counter homicide trainer, specializes in Team Killers where
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  Speaker 1: the Bodies Are Buried podcasts. You can find him on
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  Speaker 1: social media at True Crime Phil. I mean, I could
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  Speaker 1: go on and on and on about Phil Chalmers, but Phil, Darryl, Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, and Levi. I want you to listen to
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  Speaker 1: just a tiny bit. I don't want to isolate this
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  Speaker 1: tiny bit of what you just heard Jackie, please do
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  Speaker 1: the honors, kid know, yeah, Oh Lord Jesus Christ. See
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  Speaker 1: what you're hearing at the end is the Purps fleeing
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  Speaker 1: Walmart into a getaway car as one of them is screaming,
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  Speaker 1: hold on just a minute, Phil Chalmers to you, Daryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: I remember the first mass murder I ever worked on.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the first. And there were three
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  Speaker 1: dead bodies. There was so much blood it was literally
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  Speaker 1: running down the gutter um on a playground, and there
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  Speaker 1: were five defendants. And that was the first time I
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  Speaker 1: had heard the phrase wilding. Wilding. In other words, when
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  Speaker 1: you get a group together, they do things they would
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  Speaker 1: never I don't think have done on their own. It's
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  Speaker 1: a whole different mentality. And now I've got this little
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  Speaker 1: girl bleeding out at Walmart. Number one, it's sad. Number two,
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  Speaker 1: it's tragic. Number three, it's unbelievable. And number four, it
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  Speaker 1: is the most criminal act could ever happened. We used
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  Speaker 1: to call it mob psychology. Doesn't matter whether it's mob
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  Speaker 1: psychology or wilding. It is unbelievable that these girls and
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  Speaker 1: where the heck was their mom? Where the heck was
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  Speaker 1: their dad? If they exist, because these girls didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a knife by themselves. Oh yeah, they got life. Hold
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  Speaker 1: on just a moment, leave my page. This little girl
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  Speaker 1: is stabbed dead at a Walmart. Where where did the
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  Speaker 1: murder weapon come from? It came from Walmart, Nancy there
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  Speaker 1: in Lake Charles. They stole the knife. They stole a
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  Speaker 1: knife of that caliber. That dangerous weapon is out on
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  Speaker 1: display where you can just grab it. Apparently so, because
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  Speaker 1: according to law enforcement, the weapon came from inside the store,
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  Speaker 1: they stole it. Well, I'm not sure I understand you.
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  Speaker 1: Justice got Morgan forensics expert. What could have possibly been
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  Speaker 1: like a kitchen knife out in the cutlery area or
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  Speaker 1: was this a full on butcher knife? Do we know
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  Speaker 1: with a serrated edge? No, I don't know specifically the
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  Speaker 1: type of knife that it was. However, it's easily accessible.
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  Speaker 1: Just go to the kitchen ware section and the very
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  Speaker 1: sharp butcher knife are on display. I mean you maybe right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just not recalling it. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about a little teen girl getting stabbed
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  Speaker 1: dead and one of them everybody's favorite stores, Walmart. I
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  Speaker 1: was just in Walmart, going up and down the aisles
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  Speaker 1: because they were the only place in town that said
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  Speaker 1: they had a Geneo turkey right there. I could have
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  Speaker 1: been one aisle over from this little girl. Leave my page,
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  Speaker 1: Climb online dot com investigating reporter what happened exactly? And Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: just to answer your previous question, you know, knives at Walmart,
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  Speaker 1: some of them can't come in a package. That's similar
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  Speaker 1: to maybe a toy that you would buy for your child.
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  Speaker 1: If you ripped those packages open, it's fairly easy. They
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  Speaker 1: could have done that right there in the store. But Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: what happened was this was seven thirty, not even that
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  Speaker 1: late at night in Walmart. A group of teenagers had
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  Speaker 1: been to a movie theater and then they went to
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  Speaker 1: Walmart and that is when this attack went down, and
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  Speaker 1: they were live streaming this on social media. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait right there, isn't it bad enough that you stab
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  Speaker 1: a defenseless, unarmed girl in the eyes of Walmart dad
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  Speaker 1: with a knife you swipe, but you have to live
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  Speaker 1: stream it. That's where we got all that sound. They
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  Speaker 1: live streamed it. That's a whole other layer of callousness,
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  Speaker 1: of disregard to murder somebody and live stream it. It's
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  Speaker 1: that Nancy. But it's also a glimpse into the mind
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  Speaker 1: of these homicidal teenagers. How young they really are that
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  Speaker 1: they would live stream it and not think that they
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  Speaker 1: would get caught. The immaturity, the lack of big picture thinking,
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  Speaker 1: the lack of a sense of consequences in their life. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I think of the wish to triumph over the victim,
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  Speaker 1: which is often the case with teen girls who murder.
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  Speaker 1: They want to deface, to diminish, to defigure, to knock
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  Speaker 1: the victim off her pedestal. I often think with girls
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  Speaker 1: who kill envy as a strong motivator. You know you're popular,
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  Speaker 1: you're beautiful, you're smart, you're not all that. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to prove that you're not all that. We have power
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  Speaker 1: over you. And not only do we have power over you,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to make you look terrible in front of
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  Speaker 1: the entire world. We're going to expose your suffering. So
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  Speaker 1: they never thought that they would get caught by live
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  Speaker 1: streaming it. They thought that they would devalue and denigrate
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  Speaker 1: the victim by life streaming it. Phil Chalmers with me
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  Speaker 1: special Guest. He wrote Inside the Mind of a Teen
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  Speaker 1: Killer on Amazon Criminal Profiler starf where the bodies are
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  Speaker 1: buried podcast Fail, Bethany said something about and I agree
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  Speaker 1: with everything she just said. By the way, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: think they would get caught. I don't know that they
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  Speaker 1: thought at all. It just sounds like just a pack
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  Speaker 1: of hyenas running through Walmart, chasing down this girl and
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  Speaker 1: stabbing her dead. It's almost like they don't even think
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  Speaker 1: of the consequences anymore. Females. In the last eight years,
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  Speaker 1: according to CDC, their suicide rate has doubled. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of young ladies don't care about living themselves, and so
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  Speaker 1: what we're seeing is an increase in homicide. When we
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  Speaker 1: see a generation a population increase their suicide rate, their
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  Speaker 1: homicide right usually increases. And so these kids grew up
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  Speaker 1: in poverty, abuse, family breakdown. They have no wait wait, wait, Phil,
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  Speaker 1: do you know any of that about these killers? It's
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  Speaker 1: just what I see as I talked to killers for
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  Speaker 1: you know years. I mean about these specific girls that
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  Speaker 1: chased this fifteen year old girl through Walmart and stabbed
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  Speaker 1: her dead, leaving her to bleed out. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: that they are deprived somehow because they had all just
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  Speaker 1: been out for a night out at a movie theater
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  Speaker 1: where they not only paid for their tickets but got
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  Speaker 1: a truckload of treats and snacks. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you've been there lately, but just to give
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  Speaker 1: in drinks. It's like forty something dollars, all right, enough?
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  Speaker 1: Said right there? And I'm looking at them and they
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  Speaker 1: are wearing designer athletic gear. I don't even buy that
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  Speaker 1: from my children, or much less me. But so you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, poverty, and I mean Phil, they chased
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  Speaker 1: the girl down at Walmart. You know their security footage there,
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  Speaker 1: and they live streamed it. They're not upset that this
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  Speaker 1: girl bled out, Nancy. They may not have been deprived
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  Speaker 1: if they were certainly depraved, who were very fortunate that
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  Speaker 1: they were stupid enough not only to commit this horrible
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  Speaker 1: crime but also to live stream it because it certainly
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  Speaker 1: gave law enforcement. Well do you know what? You're right?
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  Speaker 1: The conviction. You're right, Daryl Cohen, But what do you
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  Speaker 1: think how do you think the parents feel seeing their
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  Speaker 1: girl chase down? And dad? I mean Phil, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to come down on you, but please, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this girl bled out on the floor at Walmart, and
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  Speaker 1: you're telling me the killers may have been deprived. They've
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  Speaker 1: been deprived something. Of course they may not be money,
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  Speaker 1: but something is not right that they would do something
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  Speaker 1: like this. And yeah, they're criminals. They're very much being
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  Speaker 1: the culture too, because even the terms like she leakin,
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  Speaker 1: all that is culture is a violent culture that surrounds
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  Speaker 1: these kids were raising a generation of killers with with
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  Speaker 1: everywhere these kids look is violence, murder, rape, sodomy. And
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  Speaker 1: they don't think twice a zoon as themselves. Uh, just
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  Speaker 1: cop in on this. Yeah, and Bethany, that is not remorse.
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  Speaker 1: That is not remorse. You know. I just went to
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  Speaker 1: a conference Saturday on the twenty one gradations of evil.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was a neural psychoanalysis conference and we
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  Speaker 1: look took a look at social media, depravity, homicide and
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  Speaker 1: really there's no correlation between social media and video games
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  Speaker 1: and all of that and homicide. All. That's not what
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  Speaker 1: Phil was saying, doctor Bethany. It was a video game.
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  Speaker 1: All it does is desensitize you. It doesn't turn you
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  Speaker 1: into a homicidal person. It desensitizes you, that's all. It
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  Speaker 1: just ups the empty somebody's will say, is that where
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  Speaker 1: or Darryl? That's me? Phil, Go ahead, so it definitely
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  Speaker 1: desensitizes you. Doctor. I'm not scream with you there, but
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  Speaker 1: when you're desensitized to the rape that these kids are,
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  Speaker 1: you could tell they're in the culture. They're in the
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  Speaker 1: violent culture by yelling things like she leakn that is
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  Speaker 1: all that's the culture. Yelling things like videos they watched. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: slow it down, phil, uh, yelling things like what well
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  Speaker 1: they're they're saying a term she's leakin that means she's bleeding. Okay, wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait right right, Phil, I'm sorry. Talking to you is
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  Speaker 1: like drinking from the fire hydra. It's just too much,
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  Speaker 1: too fast. Let me understand this. Joseph Scott Morgan. Phil
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  Speaker 1: Chalmers has written the book We Cannot Argue with that
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  Speaker 1: Inside the Mind of a Team Killer. It's on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: But to stab someone a girl unarmed in Walmart where
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  Speaker 1: you're surrounded by being cameras and you're live streaming it.
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  Speaker 1: I would try every one of them as adults, every
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  Speaker 1: single one, jump in, Nancy, adults. They'll be tried as adults.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to go to prison for twenty five years.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been interviewing them for thirty five years. I've
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  Speaker 1: been talking, I've interviewed over two hundred kids. Faith to faith,
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  Speaker 1: team killer, school shooters, serial killers, you name it. And
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  Speaker 1: when you say what are they thinking? They're not thinking
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  Speaker 1: that's the problem until they get to prison and sit
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  Speaker 1: there asking to sell. Then they start thinking it's too late.
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  Speaker 1: Then Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about the murder, and I'm saying, I know many of
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  Speaker 1: you may think I pretty judged it, but the Purps
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  Speaker 1: lime streamed the attack. What should I believe their defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney or my lying eyes chasing down a little team
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  Speaker 1: girl in Walmart where shoppers are all around, stabbing her
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  Speaker 1: in the heart, then running away saying she's leaking, in
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  Speaker 1: other words, bleeding out to her death. As a matter
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  Speaker 1: of fact, Jackie, if you could play our cut to
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  Speaker 1: be said, brother, yeah, and our cut ten listen to this,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't give hell if nobody if she killed
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  Speaker 1: the beach you are hearing afterwards, that is their idea
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  Speaker 1: of remorse. She's dead. I will I would play that
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over to with Jerry. I'd play
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  Speaker 1: it fast, I'd play it slow. I'd have it as
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  Speaker 1: I did. And every single thing I played for a
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  Speaker 1: jury transcribed so they could read it and hear it
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  Speaker 1: at the same time while they look at the defendants
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  Speaker 1: and look at a picture of the dead victim. You
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  Speaker 1: dared write, and I will tell you another thing. On
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  Speaker 1: the front row, I would have this teen girls mother
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  Speaker 1: so she would see justice unfold in the court of law.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you were saying, yeah, dove tailor with
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  Speaker 1: what Phil had mentioned earlier. He's absolutely right on the money.
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  Speaker 1: They're not feeling anything at that moment in time. But
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  Speaker 1: let me describe to you when they are feeling. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that stays with you about blood,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been around blood my entire adult life in
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  Speaker 1: the Morgue on crime scenes, is that it has a
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  Speaker 1: distinct smell to it. It is metallic, and when you're
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  Speaker 1: around a lot of it, which you are, particularly on
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  Speaker 1: sharp sharp force injury cases, it is something that stays
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  Speaker 1: with you. Not only that, it has a tactile sense
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  Speaker 1: to it too. When they're in that car and they're
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  Speaker 1: driving down the road and maybe the adrenaline is wearing
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  Speaker 1: off a little bit, at some point time, somebody's going
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  Speaker 1: to look down at their arms, their bare skin. They're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see dry blood on themselves. Some of these girls
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  Speaker 1: are gonna have blood. Remember, guys, I know all of
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  Speaker 1: you remember this, doctor Bethany Marshall. Remember Jodi Arias. After
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  Speaker 1: she stabbed Travis Alexander, her lover dead in the shower,
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  Speaker 1: she drove across the desert to literally hop on and
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  Speaker 1: mount her new boyfriend. She still had blood on her hands,
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  Speaker 1: under her fingernails. These girls will see the blood, and
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  Speaker 1: I would disagree that they're going to think it's bad.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's a badge of honor. Look what
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  Speaker 1: we have just done. Yay us. And I further ask
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  Speaker 1: you where were the parents? Because this type of behavior
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  Speaker 1: did not just manifest itself one time. One or more
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  Speaker 1: of these girls had problems, and mommy and or daddy
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  Speaker 1: didn't do any problems. I think like biting your nails
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  Speaker 1: or talking back is a problem. I hear Bethany jump in. Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: I have to say something about this. Phil Chalmers said
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  Speaker 1: something so important about histories of deprivation. And I know
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  Speaker 1: we all hate to say, oh, they come came from
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  Speaker 1: poverty or crime. They've got because design. I mean, Bethanie,
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  Speaker 1: you're there in all your Saint John's outfit and you're
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  Speaker 1: perfectly manicured. And all of the does she use costs
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  Speaker 1: over one hundred dollars. I wouldn't even buy them from me.
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  Speaker 1: Please deprived of what well, Nancy here, What I want
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  Speaker 1: to break down is what the true correlation is between
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  Speaker 1: one's history and committing homicide. And one of the things
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  Speaker 1: we know is that young people who have a trauma history,
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  Speaker 1: they don't think. They have kind of a blank screen
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  Speaker 1: in their mind. They don't conceptualize accurately what's happening to
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  Speaker 1: them into the world. And everybody on the panel kept
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  Speaker 1: saying they weren't thinking, they weren't thinking. And what I
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  Speaker 1: want to break down a little further is that the
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  Speaker 1: office who have a trauma history, they don't do you, okay,
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  Speaker 1: even a shred, a shred, a sintilla of evidence, Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, that any of these girls have been traumatized
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  Speaker 1: their actions. I know you're assuming that because they committed
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  Speaker 1: a crime. And let me just remind everybody under the
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  Speaker 1: law thinking they didn't think, yeah, Phil Chalmers, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: I hear you. And in the street sense of the word,
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  Speaker 1: the vernacular, they didn't think, yes, you're right, But under
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  Speaker 1: the law, a long thought out plan is not needed
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  Speaker 1: to prove murder. One premeditation is formed and the twinkling
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  Speaker 1: of a moment, the blink of an eye, the time
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  Speaker 1: it takes you to go steal a knife, chase the
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  Speaker 1: girl down and stab her in the heart, then run
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  Speaker 1: away gleefully bragging, cursing about her leaking her life's blood
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  Speaker 1: leaking out of her heart. That's premitation. Let's just get
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  Speaker 1: it back in the middle of the road. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: out of the weeds and look at what has happened. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to feel sorry for the girls that
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  Speaker 1: did this? I feel sorry for the dead girl and
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  Speaker 1: her family. Okay, Phil Charmers, what about that? Well, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I am thirteen causes with thirteen reasons why kids killed,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of you were yesterday are naming their peppering.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these things no father, unstable, abuse of home,
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  Speaker 1: victim of bullying, obspecially with violent entertainment, especially with deadly weapons,
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  Speaker 1: the wrong friend, fear, pressure of poverty. All that's a
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  Speaker 1: mental illness. It all comes into plane. You can't just
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  Speaker 1: point to one thing, but usually there's four or five
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  Speaker 1: in each murderer that I see. It's different than adult killers.
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  Speaker 1: Adult killers will wake up the prom fimna goes kill
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  Speaker 1: the neighbor. There's nothing do I just explain to me,
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  Speaker 1: put yourself. Let me say something to you I can
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  Speaker 1: never say to a jury because it's reversible error. You chalmers, You,
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you put yourself in the shoes of this
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  Speaker 1: girl's mother. This girl mom thought going to Walmart. This
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  Speaker 1: she gets to call her baby is dead. Let me
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  Speaker 1: just remind everybody my twins have just turned thirteen. This
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  Speaker 1: dead girl is about a year and a half older
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  Speaker 1: than my twins. We're worried that they grew up without
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  Speaker 1: daddy and peer pressure and they got bullied into third grade?
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  Speaker 1: Are you serious? Really? I mean, well, what is am
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  Speaker 1: I the one crazy Jackie? Okay, you better say something different. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I would like to hear a different thought
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  Speaker 1: from you. Then they may have grown up without a father. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what I can say is that these crimes are so
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  Speaker 1: horrific and inexplicable, is that we do have to do
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  Speaker 1: a lot out of research to find out who commits
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  Speaker 1: these murders. That way we can stop these killers dead
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  Speaker 1: in their tracks during their developmental years. We have to you,
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  Speaker 1: but a time they entered Walmart, they were going to
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  Speaker 1: commit the act. And Nancy, I would imagine if you
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  Speaker 1: look at their social media that they were stalking this girl,
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  Speaker 1: they were cyber bullying her. This poor victim had probably
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  Speaker 1: been in their sights for a long long time, maybe
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  Speaker 1: perhaps even for the last year or two. So this
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  Speaker 1: crime was set in motion before the girls walked into Walmart,
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  Speaker 1: stole the knife and literally stabbed her in the heart.
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  Speaker 1: So when did it start? When they were five, six
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  Speaker 1: or seven, eleven or twelve? Where we where do we
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  Speaker 1: intervene in society? So this doesn't happen? Phil Chalmers brought
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  Speaker 1: up something so perfect, and Phil, we all argue with
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  Speaker 1: each other on this show, so don't take it personally. Good.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy taught us all bad manners a long time, a
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  Speaker 1: very bad manners. I'd like to apologize before we finish
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  Speaker 1: the program failed because it's probably going to happen again. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, yes, okay. So he said that there was
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  Speaker 1: a rate an increase in suicide amongst teens, and the
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  Speaker 1: listeners might be saying, well, so what does that have
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  Speaker 1: to do with homicide? It is true. Aggression towards the
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  Speaker 1: self and aggression towards others is correlated. When there's a
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  Speaker 1: rise in suicide, there's always a rise in homicide. The
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  Speaker 1: suicidal and homicidal instincts life side by side, so carefully
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  Speaker 1: delineating what's happening in society. It's like the seismic shift
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  Speaker 1: before the earthquake. That's why we take a look at
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  Speaker 1: all of these factors. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: how does a fifty year old girl end up dead
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  Speaker 1: in the aisle at Walmart after a pack of taking
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  Speaker 1: girl attack her. One of the attackers as young as
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  Speaker 1: twelve years old, another one as young as thirteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: This all goes down in late Charles, Louisiana. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know what to say, because Field Chalmers, somehow I've
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  Speaker 1: gotten sideways with you, and I know that everything you're
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  Speaker 1: setting is true. But I guess the overarching thought of
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  Speaker 1: mine is everything you say maybe true. But these girls
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  Speaker 1: knew what they were doing was wrong. You think if
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall ran up to me with a nod
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  Speaker 1: and said let's go stab Jackie, you think I'd run
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  Speaker 1: along gleefully skipping me down the aisles of Walmart and
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  Speaker 1: do it. No, I would not. You might if you
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  Speaker 1: were abused and you were a certain situation that these
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  Speaker 1: girls are. And doctor Marshall has the right idea. We
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  Speaker 1: need to be more proactive than reactive. So if we
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  Speaker 1: don't want teen girls getting stabbed it at the Walmart,
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  Speaker 1: we need to start being more proactive noticing the signe,
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  Speaker 1: seen the issues, and getting these kids helf before they killed. Ically,
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  Speaker 1: so where was your mom and dad when these girls
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  Speaker 1: were acting out? This didn't come out of us. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't come out from under a rock. They've been acting
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  Speaker 1: out before this hard. But this is ridiculous to say
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  Speaker 1: that it just happened by itself, or even intimate that
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  Speaker 1: it happened once. I agree with you guys, it was planned.
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  Speaker 1: It happened, But these girls didn't do it by themselves
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  Speaker 1: without their parents knowing something was going on. And Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say, relative to what Darryl is speaking,
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  Speaker 1: and if we followed you know doctor Bethany's line of
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  Speaker 1: logic here, If this planning has been going on for
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  Speaker 1: this protracted period of time, there's absolutely no kind of
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  Speaker 1: excuse or rationale or reasoning you can make at this
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  Speaker 1: point in time, if you were suggesting that planning has
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  Speaker 1: taken place when they entered Walmart, they're literally agents of
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  Speaker 1: free will at that point in time. That's what elevates
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  Speaker 1: this up to the adult level of criminality, because they
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  Speaker 1: butchered this girl. Butchered this girl in public, and more
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  Speaker 1: than likely, like we were saying earlier, they went over
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  Speaker 1: to the kitchenware, they would have picked up something equivalent
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  Speaker 1: to a butcher knife, because you would have had to
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  Speaker 1: have had a robust knife like that in order to
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  Speaker 1: bury it in her chest, which they obviously did. Assuming
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  Speaker 1: that they understand anything about human anatomy, she's saying that
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  Speaker 1: they stabbed her in the heart. For all I know,
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  Speaker 1: they might think the heart is located in somebody's rear end.
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  Speaker 1: But she's dead. She's dead, and she's slaughtered. Can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine we keep talking about Walmart and Target, all these places,
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  Speaker 1: this girl is butchered on an aisle in Walmart where
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  Speaker 1: we do Christmas shopping. They have no shame, but they
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  Speaker 1: have chosen to do this of their own free will.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you something too, Joseph Scott Moregan, what
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  Speaker 1: did this girl this unarmed schoolgirl go through as she
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  Speaker 1: lay there bleeding out, to be chased through the aisles
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  Speaker 1: by a thirteen year old, a fourteen year old and
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  Speaker 1: others with a butcher knife. What did she experience, Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 1: you're the death investigator. Well, if they did in fact
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  Speaker 1: buried this knife in her chest, which it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: they did, not only would they have nailed her heart,
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  Speaker 1: which we don't know sequencing when that happened, but there's
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  Speaker 1: a high likelihood that may have compromised her loans in
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  Speaker 1: some way. If that's the case, she would have been choking,
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  Speaker 1: regurging her blood. What we do know is, oh wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: you just go so fast. I've got to take it in.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. Choking on her own blood, you said, regurging.
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  Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is blood would be coming
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  Speaker 1: out of her nose and mouth while she's lying in
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  Speaker 1: the floor, as her lungs fill up with her own blood, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then as she expiates, which means to blow out air,
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  Speaker 1: she's now inhalating because the blood has gone back into
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  Speaker 1: her mouth and into her airway, So she's inhalating her
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  Speaker 1: own blood along with a mix of oxygen she's going
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  Speaker 1: to have this kind of white, foamy froth that's issuing
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  Speaker 1: from her nose. And this is what I do know.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't necessarily dead at the scene, said there was
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  Speaker 1: at least what we refer to as an agonal agonal respiration,
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  Speaker 1: agonal heartbeat, this sort of thing. She was removed from
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  Speaker 1: that site to the hospital, and from a forensics standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: this is troubling for me because I know, look, I
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  Speaker 1: love EMTs, I love emergency room people. They saved my
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  Speaker 1: life a couple of times. But one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that they're horribly guilty of is cutting up clothing and
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  Speaker 1: throwing it away. I'm hoping because this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the tail of the tape, Nancy, where you marry
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  Speaker 1: up the sharp edged injuries through the clothing that passed
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  Speaker 1: through the shirt or pants or wherever it was she
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  Speaker 1: was stabbed along with the injuries. And they would have
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  Speaker 1: needed to have taken this to the coroner's office in
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  Speaker 1: Lake Charles there to marry this up with these injuries
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  Speaker 1: to document this because at this point in time, look,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about all of the social impacts and
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff, but now we're talking about homicide, and
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  Speaker 1: this thing's going to move forward, and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: prosecute this thing. And let me tell you one letter
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  Speaker 1: of truth if you want to hear it. When they
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  Speaker 1: put these images up on the screen of this girl's
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  Speaker 1: butchered body in that morgue on the table, and they
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  Speaker 1: show that image of that clothing they're holding up and
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  Speaker 1: it's gotten multiple in sized injuries in it, it is
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  Speaker 1: going to hit that jury in the chest like a
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  Speaker 1: ten pound sledge hammer. The rarity Phil Chalmers of statistically
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  Speaker 1: speaking of women, a woman committing a violent murder with
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  Speaker 1: a knife at this young age and a public arena
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  Speaker 1: is almost unheard of. Statistically, Phil, it is there's about
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  Speaker 1: five teen murders every day in this country, about twelveteen suicides.
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  Speaker 1: About five Well, well, let's I want to take in
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying, Phil Chalmers. I want to go back
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  Speaker 1: to what you said about homicide. You say five a
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  Speaker 1: day across our huge country, five a day, and I'd
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  Speaker 1: be willing to bet very few of those are by girls. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: A murders of females, so so niner of the team
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  Speaker 1: murders of five a day, ninety percent of those are
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  Speaker 1: male purps. And if actually my assertion a female killer
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  Speaker 1: of this age. Killing with a knife, which is a
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  Speaker 1: whole another psychological cannon arms in a public arena, almost
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  Speaker 1: unheard of. It's rare, it happens. We've had high profile
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  Speaker 1: cases unless the boost to Montia, Missouri, Kenyana Jackson in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: But it is rare, and it is violent. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's one thing to shoot someone, it's another thing to
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  Speaker 1: stab them. I think it's a very violent act. And
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  Speaker 1: we're starting to see more of this rise in our country,
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  Speaker 1: and it's troubled. This is a murder and there will
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  Speaker 1: be hell to pay. Fancy Grace crime story signing off,
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  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,