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Did CULT-MOM LORI VALLOW order Amazon wedding band and 'beach wedding gown' BEFORE GROOM'S WIFE FOUND DEAD? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Greece is coming to Fox Nation. I Want justice.
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  Speaker 1: Will the coronavirus COVID nineteen outbreak allow cult Mom Laurie Valoe,
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  Speaker 1: the newlywed to walk free from the jail. Valoe refusing
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  Speaker 1: to tell not only police, but a judge and even
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  Speaker 1: her own family where are her two children, seven year
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  Speaker 1: old JJ, seventeen year old Tiling missing now for months.
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  Speaker 1: Cultmm Laurie Valoe refusing to state where they are or
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  Speaker 1: even if they're safe. Not only that, does an Amazon
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  Speaker 1: order allegedly made but made by Cultmm Laurie Valoe indicate
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  Speaker 1: premeditated murder? Oh Amazon, get ready to work over your files.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Valo. The saga goes on seemingly every twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 1: We find out something new and something disturbing about a
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  Speaker 1: woman who refuses to tell authorities or a judge where
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  Speaker 1: her missing children are JJ seven, Tiley seventeen. She's called
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  Speaker 1: cult Mom because she remarried about two weeks or so
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  Speaker 1: after her third or fourth husband was shot dead to
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  Speaker 1: a man obsessed with cults, doomsday cults, end of time cults.
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  Speaker 1: He's written twenty five books on them. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: here on Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven and
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  Speaker 1: the Bee goes on with Laurie Valo, and I want
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  Speaker 1: you to first hear the latest see what you make
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  Speaker 1: of it. Take a listen to our friend at East
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  Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com, Nate Eaton. Back in October. At
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of October, Chad Dayvill was still married to
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  Speaker 1: Tammy dave Bell. She died on October nineteenth, but on
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  Speaker 1: October second, we have uncovered from an Amazon account that
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  Speaker 1: Laurie was using the purchase of her wedding ring, had
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  Speaker 1: it shipped to her address in Rexburg under the name
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  Speaker 1: of Charles Valo, her f husband, and we're told that
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  Speaker 1: she repeatedly used Charles's Amazon accounts after he passed away.
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting that on October second, she would purchase
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  Speaker 1: the wedding ring that she was then photographed in getting
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  Speaker 1: married to Chad on the beach. Weeks later. She bought
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  Speaker 1: the ring when Tammy was still alive, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: same day that she and Chad, a man we believe it,
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  Speaker 1: Chad visited the storage unit in Rexburg. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: same day that Brandon Bordeaux was shot at in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot was happening on that day with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different players. Yeah, a lot was happening. Using
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  Speaker 1: her dead husband, Charles Valo's Amazon account to buy her
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  Speaker 1: wedding ring, and that wedding ring has been matched up
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  Speaker 1: to once she's wearing at her Hawaii beach side ceremony.
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  Speaker 1: How did this whole thing unfold? Of course, you know
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have defense attorneys arguing that this doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: she's a murderer. This means she was just looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to her wedding. What wedding her groom was still married.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: family lawyer, NC Domestic Law dot Com. James Shellnott twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven years metro major case swat now lawyer, professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State Universe and author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator, renowned psychiatrists Joining
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  Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, doctor Angela Arnold, and
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  Speaker 1: boy do we need a shrink. But first, to lead
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  Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando's Morning News w d BO Ray Caputo,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that cult mom Laurie Valo, who thinks literally
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  Speaker 1: if you read her divorce papers, thinks that she is
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  Speaker 1: a god who is charged with leading the worthy. Saddling Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we're not one of them. The one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand or so that are going to
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  Speaker 1: get to go to the New Jerusalem after the Great
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  Speaker 1: War set to happen this July, basically the end of
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  Speaker 1: the world. She is going to live according to her,
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  Speaker 1: So cult mom Laurie Valo goes online on our Hubbies
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  Speaker 1: Dead Hubbies Amazon account and orders a wedding ring a
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  Speaker 1: hold on, wait for it, a beach wedding dress, white
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  Speaker 1: slacks and shirt. And this is according to Nate Eton
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  Speaker 1: with East Idaho News dot Com on ten two, I'll
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  Speaker 1: chamber two and her Graham's wife mysteriously dies in her
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  Speaker 1: sleep seventeen days later, ten nineteen. That's quite the coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: Ray Kiputo, Orlando News. How did we find out about
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  Speaker 1: the wedding ring order? Well, I think it came from
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  Speaker 1: Charles's sister. It's kind of I've been reading a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff here and how it popped up. But nevertheless,
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  Speaker 1: we got screenshots right now of purchases and they're belief
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  Speaker 1: to be hers. You know, in Nancy, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: families share Amazon accounts, they share credit cards. The big
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  Speaker 1: differences is that the spouse is still alive and not.
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  Speaker 1: In the case of Laurie, she goes and she buys
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  Speaker 1: this size for sterling silver south Western style Melokit gemstone.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot to say there, but the actual stone
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  Speaker 1: has some meaning too. It's it's called the stone of
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  Speaker 1: transformation and some say they use it for energy meaning
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  Speaker 1: so weird story. Wait, malachite, isn't that the black, shiny,
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  Speaker 1: metallic looking stone? Am I wrong? It's the one that
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  Speaker 1: she has in the in the picture though, Well, what
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  Speaker 1: does it look like? Caputo? Is it? What does it
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  Speaker 1: look like? It's got it's a it's a darker stone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not to go with this. I think
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  Speaker 1: I know what it is. Because the twins love to
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  Speaker 1: go panning for gold and gemstones, and you know it's
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  Speaker 1: all rigged, but they find all these stones I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure I remember malachite. But wait, I want to get
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  Speaker 1: back to how was this Okay, Oh, it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it's green, beautiful grain. It's not black. So hold on.
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  Speaker 1: It's my understanding, as you were just saying, Ray Kaputo,
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  Speaker 1: that dead husband number four, Charles Valet was shot dead
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  Speaker 1: by Lorie Valo's brother Alex, Charles Valo's sister, JJ's bio
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  Speaker 1: grandma Kate Woodcock discovered the purchase of the wedding band
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  Speaker 1: because she hooked up Charles's printer to her computer in
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  Speaker 1: November to print something out. And that is how when
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  Speaker 1: she connected the printer she saw the things that had
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  Speaker 1: been ordered on Amazon. Now, that is according to k
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  Speaker 1: he was visited with us before Charles Valo's sister. That's
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  Speaker 1: how it all came out. So tell me what else
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  Speaker 1: do you know that Colt mom had ordered for her
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  Speaker 1: wedding before her groom's wife died in her sleep. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was clear they were planning a wedding because it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't us a wedding ring. It was also closed for
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  Speaker 1: people to wear at a beach wedding. There was a shirt,
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  Speaker 1: there was also a dress, and there was other things
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  Speaker 1: she was looking for like bathing suits. This clearly wasn't
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  Speaker 1: someone who was worried about her missing children or other things.
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  Speaker 1: She was a woman who had her eyes on getting
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  Speaker 1: married in a few weeks. Has appeared a bait quote
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  Speaker 1: beach wedding dress, white slacks and shirt. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: that was for the husband because in her wedding photo
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  Speaker 1: she's wearing a white beach dress with a Hawaiian lay
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  Speaker 1: and they ring and the new husband, day Bail, Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bail, is wearing white slacks and a white shirt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure about that. Jack. She pull up their
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  Speaker 1: their pictures in the meanwhile, take a listen again to
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  Speaker 1: our friend at East Idaho News dot com, Nate Eton.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting that she was shopping for the wedding ring
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  Speaker 1: and actually purchased the wedding ring weeks before Chad's wife
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  Speaker 1: had actually died. Also on the same computer that she
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  Speaker 1: was using, we're told that she was looking for a
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  Speaker 1: wedding dress suit the very next day, on Ober third.
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  Speaker 1: Now a lot of people are wondering, well, does that
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  Speaker 1: prove that they planned Tammy's death? Was this wedding pre
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  Speaker 1: planned before Tammy's death? Well, that'll be up for the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor to decide and for the detectives to determine. But
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  Speaker 1: this possibly could be maybe a clue in premeditation or
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  Speaker 1: something along those lines where this wedding was pre planned,
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  Speaker 1: the ring was purchased, she was shopping for wedding dresses.
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  Speaker 1: All of this was happening weeks before Tammy's sudden death.
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  Speaker 1: And as for Tammy's death, we are still waiting on
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  Speaker 1: that autopsy. The sheriff says that he's waiting on it
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  Speaker 1: as well from toxicology reports. He has no idea when
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  Speaker 1: he says it will be back, but we're hopefully, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: that will be soon. The wedding photos and I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at them right now. It looks like the husband is
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  Speaker 1: playing a ukulele, but it shows Chad and Laurie day
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  Speaker 1: Bill wearing the items that Lorie Vella purchased for them
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  Speaker 1: for their November five wedding. That malachite ring was Laurie's
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  Speaker 1: wedding band wedding ring. And also we're learning according to
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  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton and Kate, the sister of the deceased, they
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  Speaker 1: were looking at men's clothing, men's tennis shoes, white trunk,
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  Speaker 1: white pants, white shirt, a new yellow bathing suit for
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  Speaker 1: her swims trunks for a man extra large, and she
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  Speaker 1: says it's all right there for her to look at
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  Speaker 1: the grandmother. Kate Woodcock Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. For
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  Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, I Meancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us at Fox
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  Speaker 1: Nation and series XM one eleven. It never ends with cultmm.
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Valo, you know, don't you just love it to you?
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're a death investigator and forensics expert.
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  Speaker 1: You're not just about blood spatter. You know about computer
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  Speaker 1: forensics as well. Way in it's those little breadcrumbs that
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  Speaker 1: are left behind, little digital breadcrumbs that kind of paint
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  Speaker 1: the picture. It happens with our phones, we can be
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  Speaker 1: tracked wherever we go and people don't think about that.
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  Speaker 1: It happens with cct TV images, but also with the
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  Speaker 1: computer that we use, those little benchmarks along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Every keystroke has a meaning to it, Nancy. And when
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  Speaker 1: my colleagues over from computer forensics take a data set
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  Speaker 1: and they break it down, they can absolutely paint a
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  Speaker 1: very compelling picture, not just for the investigators, but at
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  Speaker 1: some point in time when all of this is going
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  Speaker 1: to go to court, which I promise you it will,
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, And I've got news on that
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  Speaker 1: front as well. Remind me, Joe Scott, I want to
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  Speaker 1: circle back to what you just said to James Shell
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  Speaker 1: Knight twenty seven years Metro and Major k Swat now lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: Defense attorneys will argue, this means absolutely nothing that seventeen
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  Speaker 1: days before Lori Day Timmy Daybill died in her sleep,
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  Speaker 1: that her husband's new bride was looking for wedding dresses
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  Speaker 1: and a wedding man, not just looking for them, bought them.
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  Speaker 1: Plus the elevating suit. Seems like they already had it
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  Speaker 1: planned out at that time that there was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a wedding and there was going to be a
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  Speaker 1: beach wedding, what they were going to wear, the works,
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  Speaker 1: So they had it all in place before Tammy Daybell
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  Speaker 1: died in her sleep. Yeah. I mean, y'all smell a rabit.
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  Speaker 1: It smells like Lorie Fallow two rats. She was all in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that they had. It wasn't just one thing
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  Speaker 1: that they did. They did multiple things. And the only
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  Speaker 1: way that she and this guy are getting married is
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  Speaker 1: if his wife is either dead or they're divorced, and
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  Speaker 1: they're certainly not going to find laws of divorced during
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  Speaker 1: that period of time. So it looks like, very strongly
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  Speaker 1: from a circumstantial evident standpoint, that they knew that this
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen, and they knew that this man's
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  Speaker 1: current wife was not going to be a factor improved
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  Speaker 1: getting them from going forward with their plans. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, veteran trial lawyer at nc Domestic Law dot com. Kathleen,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be very curious as to win. Chad day Bell
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  Speaker 1: and Lorie val occult Mom got their tickets and made
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  Speaker 1: their reservations for a hotel, a swank cotel, I might
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  Speaker 1: add in Hawaii way and Kathleen hy waited, and when
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  Speaker 1: they bought the room October second, she's dead subsequently two
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  Speaker 1: weeks later. And as a divorce attorney, this is golden
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  Speaker 1: information for me as to an intent to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of or to have an affair or to be involved
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  Speaker 1: with somebody else. And it's clear, I mean, I agree
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  Speaker 1: with your priors because this is such strong evidence. Buying
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  Speaker 1: the clothes, buying the buying the babe and suit buying
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  Speaker 1: the dress and buying the rings that they knew that
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Day Bell would not be around. You know too,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold's psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: I've asked this so many times. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: sound like a broken record, but why not just get
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  Speaker 1: a divorce? Nancy? That's not the purpose of all of
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  Speaker 1: this as far as Laurie vallow is concerned, this is
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  Speaker 1: on a whole different realm of reality in her Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. Why not? Well, well,
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  Speaker 1: why did she Why are all these other people dead
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  Speaker 1: in her in her footsteps? Also? Why would you leave
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  Speaker 1: this person to just got a divorce from? Right? You're right?
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  Speaker 1: Why I ask why? Why? I tried to apply logic
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  Speaker 1: to an illogical situation? Because two and two is never
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  Speaker 1: going to equal four, excuse me, never going to equal five.
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  Speaker 1: And also it's not our duty to figure out why.
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  Speaker 1: It's our duty to figure out what happened, Nancy. Has
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  Speaker 1: anybody interviewed this and has she said any kind of
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  Speaker 1: a psychological interview? Does anybody know that I can guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you know, because that would be a defense strategy and
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  Speaker 1: right now Laurie Vallas only behind bars because she won't
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  Speaker 1: cough up where her children are last seen on a
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  Speaker 1: photo at Yellowstone. You know, I said I would circle
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  Speaker 1: back to you, Jess Scott Morgan, and that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, Jackie. Let's play cut one. East Idaho
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  Speaker 1: News dot Com reporter Nate Eaton take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: Another news agency in Arizona has uncovered an email from
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  Speaker 1: the police down there saying that they are getting closer
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  Speaker 1: to possibly indicting Laurie Dave Bell in the depth of
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  Speaker 1: her brother Alex Cox. Alex Cox suddenly died ten days
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  Speaker 1: after his marriage. After he got married in December. He
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  Speaker 1: was found in a restroom with pieces all over the place,
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  Speaker 1: and they have ruled his death suspicious but have not
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  Speaker 1: released any information. But according to this report, there is
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  Speaker 1: an email from a detective to someone else saying that
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  Speaker 1: they are getting closer to indicting Lorie Dabel in the
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  Speaker 1: death of her brother. We are learning that through a
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  Speaker 1: leaked email, that authorities are getting closer to indicting cult
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  Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo and the death of her brother. We
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  Speaker 1: are also learning they're considering her reportedly in the death
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  Speaker 1: of her last husband. Police in Arizona could be on
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  Speaker 1: the verge of indicting Valo in the death of her
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  Speaker 1: ex husband, who was killed by her brother last year.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Ray Caputo, Lead Kneeds anchor Orlando's Morning
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  Speaker 1: News WDBO, what do we know what about this leaked
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  Speaker 1: email from who to who? Yeah, well, I believe it'll
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  Speaker 1: send from a reporter to the Chandler Arizona Police a
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  Speaker 1: detective and it was a very simple response. It said
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  Speaker 1: that their confidence are getting closer to indicting Lorie Valo
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  Speaker 1: over Charles Valow's death. Nothing more than that. But it
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  Speaker 1: does show where investigators are at right now, Nancy, because
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  Speaker 1: what happened to Charles didn't look suspicious early on. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he shows up to take his kid, there's a fight
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  Speaker 1: in Alex Cox m Lorie's brother shoots Charles. But that
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  Speaker 1: was the first domino to fall, like a dizzying sequence
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  Speaker 1: of events. You know, Lorie moves to another state, or
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  Speaker 1: kids disappear, the ex husband died, you know, all this stuff, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: And then then to top it all off, Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 1: who at this point possibly could be a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: he turns up dead on a bathroom floor. So if
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  Speaker 1: you put all this together, it makes complete sense that
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  Speaker 1: investigators are not looking closer at Lorie Valo. What is
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  Speaker 1: the cause of death of the brother Alex Cox? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I heard the nine one one call that hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: figured out yet, but to me it sounds like he
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  Speaker 1: either passed away of a drug overdose or something unnatural causes.
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  Speaker 1: But he was found on a bathroom, bathroom floor, unresponsive
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  Speaker 1: in his own fecing, So it wasn't it wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: good end to his life. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: Francai k SLTV. This reporter Garnem here Chandler. Police are
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  Speaker 1: investigating Charles's death and this email obtained by KASL which
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  Speaker 1: Charles allegedly sat on June twenty ninth to his other
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  Speaker 1: brother in law, Adam Cox, very suspicious and they caused
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  Speaker 1: various questions that we would need to ask Lorie entirely,
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  Speaker 1: possibly Chad and try to get to the bottom of it.
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  Speaker 1: In his message to Adam, Charles claims that Lorie created
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  Speaker 1: an email alias for him and sent a letter the
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  Speaker 1: previous day to Chad day Bell inviting him to visit
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  Speaker 1: Arizona to write a book. Charles suspected Lorie wrote the letter,
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  Speaker 1: pretending to be him. The letter says, in part, I
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  Speaker 1: would gladly fly you down here early next week. You
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  Speaker 1: could stay in our guest room like before. I hate
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  Speaker 1: to take you away from your family, but I would
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  Speaker 1: definitely make it worth your time with admiration Charles. Going
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  Speaker 1: back to his message to Adam, Charles continues, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure of the relationship with her and Chad day Bell,
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  Speaker 1: but they're up to something. She will not explain it.
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  Speaker 1: Going to send it to Chaddebell's wife. Her name is Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: I found her email address on their website too. I've
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  Speaker 1: got her cell phone number two. Okay, let me understand
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  Speaker 1: what I'm hearing to Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor Orlando's
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  Speaker 1: Morning News WDBO, an email sent from Charles Valoe regarding
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  Speaker 1: an invitation for him from Chad day Bell to come
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  Speaker 1: and help him write an article. The web of lies
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  Speaker 1: becomes deeper and deeper. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here we
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The very latest in the
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  Speaker 1: case of the so called cult mom Laurie Valo involves
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  Speaker 1: this email. Ray Ki Puto, what is the email about?
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  Speaker 1: And I understand it's from the dad, third husband or
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  Speaker 1: fourth husband, Charles Valo, and he's worried because Chad day
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  Speaker 1: Bell seemingly has invited him for a visit to work
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  Speaker 1: on a speech or a book or some project. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: he's concerned and he's going to alert Tammy day Bill
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: then still alive, explain Ray Kabudo. Yeah, So, so here's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the thing is that Charles at this point, he's already
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: looking at his his soon to be acts with a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: crooked eye. I mean, he told his lawyer that he
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: was afraid that he was going to be killed. He
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: essentially predicted that he was going to die at the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: hands of either Lori or Alex, which is which is
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: what happened. So there's such a context to this email.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not just the first time that he's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: seeing someone, because we're talking about a guy who is
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: afraid of his life. Most of the times in this,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you know, domestic violence situations, we hear the woman afraid.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Here's a grown man who is afraid for his life,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and this email is just part of that context that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: he is does not trust Lorie, he does not trust Alex,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and he thinks that something bad can happen to her,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and he is just trying to tell anybody that'll listen
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to him at this point, you know, Kathleen Murphy, it's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: just so eerie, as is so much about the Lorie
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Vala cultman case. I've had cases where a murder victim
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: thought they were going to be killed and they said, hey,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: if anything happens to me, he or she did it,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and then they end up dead. And so often, Kathleen Murphy,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: because of the rules of evidence against hearsay, that evidence
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: never comes before the jury because it can't be cross examine.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You can't cross examine a dead person. Now, there are
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: exceptions to the hearsay rule, like dying declaration. There's a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: myriad of exceptions, but not for a statement like this.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: This helped because it can't be tested. But this is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: an email that deceased Charles Valoe wrote because day Bell
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: had invited him to come visit, and a lot of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: people suspect that Laurie Valoe wrote that email and sent
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it to her then living husband. What do you make
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of it, Kathleen Murphy? First of all, Nancy, I want
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to say, everything I've heard about mister Vallo has been
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: just phenominal things. He seems like a very nice person.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: A person that was that didn't have that characteristic to
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: be empathic and nice and caring. May have gone to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the police and said, I think somebody's trying to kill me,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: or here's some evidence I think we need to look up.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: The only thing that he really did is he got
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and dropped a protective order against Laurie Vallo. It's a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: shame that he wasn't of the nature to take it
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: more seriously. What do you make of it? James shell
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Nutt thirty seven years metro A major taste now lawyer.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: When you have a person in this case, it would
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: be Charles Vallo shot dead, saying ahead of time, I
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: am so afraid my wife, Laurie Vallo and her crazy brother,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, are gonna kill me. That's exactly what happened,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: James shell Nutt, and that is exactly why people are
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: can add Lorie Valo with a crooked eye and reference
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to this murder case as well. You know, I go
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: back and I look, I've watched the video. You know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the actual body cam footage for the police officers responding
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to the initial shooting of her ex husband is posted
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. The police department released that and a lot
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of times one of the most important interviews is what
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: happens right when the officers get there the shooter in
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the case, you know, you're trying to determine whether or
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: not it's justified or unjustified. What they say there in
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that initial interview often proves critical to whether or not
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you're able to prove or disprove a crime was committed.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And if you watch the interview that he gave to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the responding officers, this guy's bobbling around all over the place.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to be able to give straight answers,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and it is just sketchy. And when I watched it,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the first thought that went through my mind was, this
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound right. It doesn't smell right, and this guy
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: needs to be looked out a lot closer. And we
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: had a best accuras as we were saying it out loud.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I want to be clear the email was too Chad
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: daybail the new husband from the last dead husband, Charles
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Valet about working together on some project. Now, I want
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you to take a listen to East Idahoanews dot com
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: reporter Nate Eton about what actually happened the day that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Charles Valet was shot the day to her husband, Charles
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: was shot in Arizona by her brother. Of course, he
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: said he did it in self defense. Charles was coming
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: at him with a baseball bat and so he had
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to go get a gun to protect himself. Well, Charles
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: was an athlete, So if he's going to go in
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and swing with a bat, he's not gonna manson. If
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you've seen the security or the surveyor or the body
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: camera footage, if you've seen the body camera footage from
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the police that day, Alex is dabbing the back of
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: his head as if he's been hit with something sharp,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: maybe because he's gabbing for blood. Well, a baseball bat
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: likely isn't going to leave a little ping on the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: back of your head. Ye was in the house that day.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: JJ was in the house that day. They likely witnessed
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: what happened. What we do know is that after that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: shooting happened, Laurie took JJ to school as her husband
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: lays dying in the front room. She takes her son
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to school and then returns back and that's when Tylie
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and Laurie spoke at the police. But yeah, the people
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that were in the house that day, the only one
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: surviving right now, the only one that saw it all
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: play out is Laurie, and she's not talking to the police,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of course, Laurie Valen not speaking to police. Cult mom
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: staying quiet. But the only other two witnesses, JJ seven
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and Tylely seventeen are missing. Not only are the only
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: two witnesses missing, but now we learn they called mom.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo claims that her children, Tylie and JJ had
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: become zombies. I mean, you've seen the Walking Dead or
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: at least heard of it. Correct where people become zombies,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: they're not their true selves anymore. That is what called
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo apparently claims about her two missing children,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: claiming that before they went missing, she and her brother,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the sheeter Alex Cox. The last ones with them take
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a lesson to our friends at twelve News. This is
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Michael Digna. The documents allegedly came from Melanie's new husband,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Ian Poleski's computer, handed over to law enforcement by Ian's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: ex wife. In the document, Ian describes Lorie, Chad, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Melanie's beliefs as a global fight against evil forces to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: bring about the second Coming of Christ. The documents describe
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the faith as something quote ripped straight out of Dungeons
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and dragons or spells are real and people can be
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: possessed by demons and become zombies. Lorie Valo friends remember
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: her faith uncomfortably, but new court documents claim Melo me
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: worried JJ entirely maybe in danger, stating quote Melanie had
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: been told by Chat and Laurie that their children had
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: been possessed and had become zombies. The documents show Ian
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: wrote Melanie would then allegedly wonder to her husband if
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that meant quote JJ entirely needed to die as well.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's hardly know what where to start when a mother
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: truly believes, and this is a woman who is not
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: insane under the legal concept she thanks her children should
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: die because they're zombies. Right, Kaputa, I laid News anchor
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: ORLANDI Morning News. What you can't make this stuff up
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: in a Hollywood blockbuster movie, that the kids were infected
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: by zombies and the only way to free them is
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to pretty much end their lives. I mean, it's absolutely crazy.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And this is all coming from Laurie's niece. Who would
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you think would be someone who she trusts and someone
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't just you know, give the dish on or
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: she really believed this stuff, you know, So it's it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: absolutely crazy, but it adds a context to why the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: kids could be missing and what could have happened to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: him in the first place. Now, also there's a connection
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to their may say, because there's zombies and they've gone
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to live with all the other zombies. Well, well, Melanie
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Lorie's need did she just say? Right? Yeah, Well I'm
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: kind of being tongue in cheek here, Nancy. But but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: there's also another angle to this. Brandon, who's Melanie's ex husband.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: He was supposed to be killed too, I mean that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: he was the one who was supposed to be possessed
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: as well. And Alex actually took a shot at him
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and missed. So if he's trying to kill Brandon under
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the same circumstances, it's plausible to assume that's how the kids,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: or the reason the kids are not here anymore. We
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: haven't seen them is because they were killed because they
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: they were zombies. It's absolutely crazy. Clime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, we were talking
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: about cult Mom Lorie Valoe. She's called cult Mom because
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: she's a member of a doomsday cult, predicting the end
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of the world July twenty twenty in just a couple
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of months. But a more eminent concern is for her
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: two children, who are missing. Not her many dead husbands,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: but her two children. She refuses to tell the court
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: where the children are. They were last seen with her
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: at her now dead brother Alex Cox at Yellowstone. No
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: word about where they are now. So yes, we are
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: learning she ordered her wedding dress, her wedding ring, her
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: husband's clothing, and a yellow swimsuit for a beach wedding
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: before before her groom's wife died in her sleep Tammy
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Day Belle. We know that, according to leaked email, authorities
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: very close to potentially indicting her for the death of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: either her husband, Charles Valley or her brother Alex Cox.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: We also learn that, according to her close relatives, she
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: thought her children had turned into zombies and they needed
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to die. But is she about to walk free? Yes? Free,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Nate Eaton. So far
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the facility where she's being held, that has not happened.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: She is still in jail. I think that she is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: perhaps one of the top five, maybe the most famous
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: inmate in America right now. I don't see the sheriff
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: letting her go. I could see them letting every other
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: inmate in that jail go before her. And when she
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: was book there were about twenty women there with her,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: so there's around two dozen female inmates around sixty to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: seventy male inmates. They are kept in separate facilities, separate units,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: so it's not like and they can hold up to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I believe one hundred and forty, so they have quite
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a bit more space. But I could see them letting
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: some lesser some inmates who have been charged with lesser
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: crimes going before they would actually let her out. To
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo Anchor Orlanda's Morning News BDBO, is there the
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: potential that Laurie val occult mom is going to be
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: released over COVID nineteen years I don't think so, Nancy.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what her lawyers are trying to do.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be absolutely crazy. They're trying to get
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: her bond lowered. But there are even if it does
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: get lowered, their bond companies that don't even want to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: touch her. I would be willing to bet my mortgage
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that this woman is not going to see the light
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: of day. To Joseph's Goot Morgan, professor forensics at Jacksonville
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: State University and author jo Scott, what are they concerns
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: about COVID nineteen behind mars Well with COVID nineteen, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: these these jails are are just festering many times with
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: dirt and filth in this sort of thing. So it's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a perfect environment for a virus like COVID nineteen to
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: thrive in this environment, and you can forget about social distancing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: In this type of environment. People get costs, they get sniffles,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: they get coals, and if there are a carrier that
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: can pass it on just by coughing into the air
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in someone's proximity, and people will say, well, they're in
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: different cells, it doesn't matter because if they're in close proximity,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: it can be transferred to them. So it's very, very dangerous,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and that's what the authorities are looking at nationwide, not
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: just in this case. Right now, the US has about
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: five thousand detention facilities jails, prisons are also local and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: state facilities as well. They concern that COVID nineteen coronavirus
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: can spread rampant through gails is very concerning. Will Lori
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Valo be released because of COVID nineteen concerns? Wow? You know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to James Shellnott twenty seven years amut a major case now, lawyer,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: if there weren't so many dead bodies connected to her,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: simply not telling police where your children are is not
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a violent felony. But she's got so many dead bodies
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: around her. Would the court be able to consider that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: before releasing her due to COVID nineteen concerns? The defense
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: attorneys are going to argue that they shouldn't because they're
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: going to argue that she hasn't been charged with these crimes.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And although you know that the prosecution would love for
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the judge to consider that they're going to argue that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: it's not relevant. In the same token, the judge is
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: going to see the big picture. And you know, there's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a phrase in the law that says you can't unring
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the bell once something spoken or heard. I can't help
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: but to imagine that the judge doesn't have a news
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: channel and hasn't heard the name Laurie Valo, and does
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it somewhere in the back of the judge's mind knows
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the big picture in the prosecuts certainly is at least
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: going to attempt to argue it. With all that being considered,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I don't see her getting out. Well. The authorities at
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the Madison County Jail there in Rexburg, Idaho, Idaho say
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that Laurie Valo cult mom's presence. It's not changing anything
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that they are doing in preparation over COVID nineteen. That
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: they plan to screen her like everybody else behind bars.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Prevention protocols are in place. There's the potential release of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: low level offenders. I don't think she will be considered
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a low level offender, but right now she's got a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: bond set as we know, and to you, Kathleen mur Murphy,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer. When you're bought. This judge in
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Idaho slashed or five million dollar bonds set in Hawaii
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: to one million. She only has to put up ten percent.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: That's one hundred grand. The husband, the current husband got
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty three thousand dollars life insurance, or
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: we've been told from his dead wife Tammy Day bell
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: she could bond out. That's very scary. But then I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: think about her wedding ring. It only calls thirty eight
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: dollars and thirty one cent, so I'm not sure how
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: much money they're really going forward. But she did buy
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that ring before Tammy Day Belle passed away, so well,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't care if it was fifty dollars
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: or fifty thousand dollars. The timing, timing is everything. Purchasing
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that wedding ring before your grim's wife is divorced or dead,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that's a problem. Here's another concern about releasing Laurie Valocult, Mom, Listen,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I'm taking a walk with a follower, she says. She
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and Chad both communicate with spirits that they are true
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: members of the Mormon Church. Preparing for the end of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the world, and she doesn't judge Chad even if he's guilty,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: because we're all sinners. There is always going to be
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the ability to take scripture and use it for your
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: own gain, which is what these people are doing. Flora
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Jessa escapes from Warren Jeff's Polygamus cults on the Utah
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Arizona border, then rescued other young women. She believes Chad
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and Laurie are following a familiar playbook, using the Mormon
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Church to attract followers. They go to church, they are
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: members of the church. They recruit from the church. This
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is not a secret organization. We sent detailed questions to
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the LDS Church in Salt Lake City and got this response.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: We received your inquiry, but don't have anything to offer
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: on this. Do you think the Mormon Church needs to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: do something about this? I think they are failing their
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: members if they don't do something about this. You're hearing
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: our friends speaking out again about the cult. Mom Laurie
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Valos believe that wasn't more glow at CBS five News.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is when you get right down
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to it, to doctor Angela Arnold, with beliefs like that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: by someone who is not legally insane. Who knows what
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: she would do if she got out on bond. Well,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: my thought, if she does get out on bond, people
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: are still going to be following her around, right and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: her and she's going to escalate her behavior. Well, I mean,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: how do you escalate your behavior when you've got one
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: dead husband, one dead ex wife, two missing children, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a dead brother. I don't know how you escalate from that,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But we will wait as justice unfolds in the case
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of CULTMM Laurie Valo Nancy Grace Crime Story is signing
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,