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Ep. 941: Back 40 - New Farm, No Intel? What to Do Right Now · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: You got a month to add three core, huge things
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  Speaker 1: right there, and then you also have a month to
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm going to get five really good
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  Speaker 1: setups up.
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  Speaker 2: By the end of season. You know, I may have
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  Speaker 2: a half a dozen or more on that property, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not coming in and hanging them all at once.
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  Speaker 2: I'm bringing them in. On hunts, I'm hanging them.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Back forty.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jake Hoefer, and this week, if you just got
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  Speaker 4: a new farm, you just got permission, or even if
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  Speaker 4: you've been hunting a farm, the same farm for a year.
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  Speaker 4: After a year, you're going to get a fresh perspective
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  Speaker 4: from eight experts on what they would do right before
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  Speaker 4: the season with limited impact or maybe large impact projects.
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  Speaker 3: Set yourself up for this fall real quick.
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  Speaker 4: The Back forty's brought to you by land dot com,
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  Speaker 4: or hunting properties here.
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  Speaker 3: In the US.
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  Speaker 4: Now, a lot of these things that we're going to
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  Speaker 4: hear from the expert panel maybe things that seem obvious,
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  Speaker 4: But I also think after finishing this episode, getting a
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  Speaker 4: reset on hey, do I have all.
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  Speaker 3: These things that I can do here for this fall?
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  Speaker 3: Have I done it?
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  Speaker 4: Also, if you haven't done the scouting, or maybe there's
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  Speaker 4: a specific terrain feature that seemed to be very important,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe you've been too nervous to go in and
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  Speaker 4: make any impact on your farm because of the season
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  Speaker 4: is getting closer. So you're going to get a lot
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  Speaker 4: of different opinions and observations based off of our expert
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  Speaker 4: panel of guests. And to kick things off, the question
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  Speaker 4: is I just got access to a new farm.
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  Speaker 3: What can I do now? And we're going to start
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  Speaker 3: with Bill Winki.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I just closed on a new farm, or I
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  Speaker 4: just got a new piece of private It's August twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of the big fun offseason projects are
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  Speaker 4: off the table. Where do I start right now? It's
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  Speaker 4: August twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's not much you can do from a improvement
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  Speaker 5: perspective on that property. I would say the most important
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  Speaker 5: thing would be to mow probably a few access trails,
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  Speaker 5: something that you know, just have some way that you
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  Speaker 5: can get around. It's still August, You've got time for
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  Speaker 5: the deer to get used to a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: human activity there. I think the first thing I would
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  Speaker 5: do is just establish maybe a few ways of getting
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  Speaker 5: around in that property, so you're not just busting through
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  Speaker 5: a brush and making you knows, you need to be
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  Speaker 5: able to hunt it. So I think that's probably priority
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  Speaker 5: number one, and then I wouldn't be probably number two.
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  Speaker 5: Then for me, it would just be running the cameras
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  Speaker 5: and finding some shooters, you know, finding out what's there,
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  Speaker 5: you know, getting an inventory, figuring out which parts of
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  Speaker 5: the property or are the peris that you want to
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  Speaker 5: focus on that season. But if you can't hunt it effectively,
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  Speaker 5: like you can't get into it from the different directions,
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  Speaker 5: maybe you know, because of you know, whatever reason, you
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  Speaker 5: need to establish access first, and maybe that means talking
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  Speaker 5: to one of your neighbors and you know, paid him
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  Speaker 5: a little fee or somehow getting permission to come in
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  Speaker 5: from that direction where you know, otherwise you would even
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  Speaker 5: be able to hunt one into your property because you know,
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  Speaker 5: on certain wins, you'd be messing it up if you
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  Speaker 5: came in from the wrong way. So access is probably,
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  Speaker 5: like I said, number.
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  Speaker 4: One, would you go in and tear through the whole
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  Speaker 4: entire farm, let's call it let's stick to the eighty
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  Speaker 4: acre example, and the back part has thirty acres, a
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  Speaker 4: really really good cover where you anticipate there to be
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  Speaker 4: you know, good betting opportunities, good good corridors.
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  Speaker 3: Everything.
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  Speaker 4: Would you go through in lay eyes basically on the
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  Speaker 4: whole entire farm at that time.
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  Speaker 5: No, No, In fact, I used to hunt. Gosh, you'd laugh.
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  Speaker 5: But when I was a kid growing up in the country,
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  Speaker 5: I was related to everybody. I was like fourth generation
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  Speaker 5: on both sides of my family, so I had permission everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: I think I had sixty some different farms. I had
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  Speaker 5: permission hunting a lot of them. I never scouted, you know,
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  Speaker 5: on foot. I would just go in there with the
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  Speaker 5: tree stand on my back. Based on the area. Photos
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  Speaker 5: you can tell you buy a driving paths it or
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  Speaker 5: whatever what the trade is. But the aerial photo kind
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  Speaker 5: of gives you a visual and you can say, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I see a pitch point here, I see you. You
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  Speaker 5: don't need to even scout, you know. Back then, I
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  Speaker 5: wish I would have had truck. It was because gosh,
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  Speaker 5: there's no telling what I could have killed on sixty
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  Speaker 5: some different farms. There had been some big deal there somewhere.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, I rarely scouted more than you know, five
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  Speaker 5: to ten a year. But I hunted a lot of
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  Speaker 5: different spots, and you don't need to scout pick good
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  Speaker 5: standing locations. You just need to be handy with the map.
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  Speaker 5: And so I'd say no, I wouldn't go in unless
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  Speaker 5: you're going and stand on your back. But you know
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  Speaker 5: the kind of the method that everybody talks about now,
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  Speaker 5: you know the ultra mobile type of money. I was
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  Speaker 5: doing that quite a bit when I was You're just
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  Speaker 5: a young guy because I had access to so much ground. See,
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  Speaker 5: you always keep the the uh element of surprise in
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  Speaker 5: your favor. You always want to be you know, people
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  Speaker 5: know after a few years of doing this is the
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  Speaker 5: first time you hunt a stand is probably gonna be
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  Speaker 5: your best chance because they dear don't have any history
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  Speaker 5: of you being there that they don't have any reason
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  Speaker 5: not to be moving comfortably and naturally. Every time you
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  Speaker 5: hunt it after that, it can potentially get worse. So
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  Speaker 5: I have been a few stands in my whole life
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  Speaker 5: that that didn't happen on. But so going in there
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  Speaker 5: to scout it, I mean, if you're gonna, if you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna scout it, let me give you this one last
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  Speaker 5: piece of advice. If you're going to scout it you
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  Speaker 5: feel like I have to get in there, then I
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  Speaker 5: would make all kinds of noise. I'd be the farmer
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  Speaker 5: checking his fence with a chainsaw on a tractor. Just
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  Speaker 5: be as you know, completely give them so much warning
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  Speaker 5: that they're more curious than anything else. You know, I've
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  Speaker 5: seen that work. But if you try to sneak in,
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  Speaker 5: and usually that doesn't work, you better off you staying
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  Speaker 5: completely out.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this real quick question. When you mentioned identifying different
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  Speaker 4: pinch points, would you pick a pinch point or inside
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  Speaker 4: corner just off a map? And I know that's so situational,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, people talk about a handful of different
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  Speaker 4: buzzwords of identifying, you know, from the scouting. What is
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  Speaker 4: your favorite feature from an scouting perspective for you know,
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  Speaker 4: something like this scenario.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the best ones are the most obvious ones, and
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  Speaker 5: that's usually the kittie corner or the corner crossing two
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  Speaker 5: large blocks of cover. So let's say you got you know,
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  Speaker 5: a big chunk here and a big chunk there, and
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  Speaker 5: they're connected, you know, through one little narrow whether it's
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  Speaker 5: a creek bottom or you know, the open gate between
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  Speaker 5: two or whatever it might be, those spots are really
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  Speaker 5: hard to beat during the rut because they become super
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  Speaker 5: highways for any bucks that are going from one area
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  Speaker 5: where dotes are probably betted to another area where those
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  Speaker 5: are probably betted. Then you don't need topography. You don't
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  Speaker 5: need to know the topography to see those. The ones
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  Speaker 5: that I like that are topographically focused are the ones
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  Speaker 5: like the funnels at the tops of ditches where the
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  Speaker 5: deer go around the top of the ditch. And that's
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  Speaker 5: a no brainer because they're very apparent when you're studying
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  Speaker 5: the topographic maps, and usually there's there's dope betting areas
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  Speaker 5: on either side of that ditch. It is usually the
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  Speaker 5: way the land lazes. That's why the ditch is there,
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  Speaker 5: because you got a point, and you got a point,
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  Speaker 5: and then the ditches between them, well, the bucks are
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  Speaker 5: going to gain between those, you know, checking through the
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  Speaker 5: different dough betting areas. So the very upper end of
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  Speaker 5: that ditches is almost always, you know, kind of a
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  Speaker 5: no brainer. Then you can get the wind to work
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  Speaker 5: for you and you could use the ditch for access,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for sneaking in and out. I've set up
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  Speaker 5: a ton of those, and you usually you want to
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  Speaker 5: go in there with a chase saw during the offseason
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  Speaker 5: and clear that ditch out. But you can come and go,
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  Speaker 5: you know, very well undetected now if you use that ditch.
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  Speaker 5: So those are really good ones to find too. I
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  Speaker 5: love those. But there's tons of different options out there,
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  Speaker 5: but those are the two most obvious ones there.
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  Speaker 3: You guys have it.
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  Speaker 4: That is Bill's perspective for someone that just got new
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  Speaker 4: access on what you can do most of access trails
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  Speaker 4: if you do go in and scout, make a lot
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  Speaker 4: of noise, and the most obvious spot could easily be
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  Speaker 4: the best spot. So now we're going to get into
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  Speaker 4: skips Lie and what he would do in the next
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  Speaker 4: thirty days to make his farm the best possible and
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  Speaker 4: a short window and the full project detailed list right now.
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  Speaker 4: I just bought a brand new farm, or I just
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  Speaker 4: not on a door. I got a piece of private ground.
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  Speaker 4: It's August twenty seventh, Gune goes off. Time to go,
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  Speaker 4: what do I start?
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  Speaker 1: You can make some exciting things happen. So late August
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  Speaker 1: funding season opens what October one?
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  Speaker 6: Sure?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you definitely could still plant things. I would
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  Speaker 1: get out there. I would I would beg borrow and
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  Speaker 1: plead with anybody I knew to borrow a tractor and
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  Speaker 1: a drill, rent one higher, one out, and I would
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  Speaker 1: go plant a combo of like winter I winter piece,
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  Speaker 1: when are we tri to kale, trit to kelly and clovers,
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  Speaker 1: and I would quick get that seated down, like kill it,
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  Speaker 1: set it down immediately, So there's your food for the year.
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  Speaker 1: That it's not it's not ideal in that you know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have other things now, and that's really the
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  Speaker 1: only thing you can really get going one in most
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  Speaker 1: areas by that point. But it's actually an ideal time
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  Speaker 1: to plant that too. So and I'd add oats in
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  Speaker 1: there too, by the way. So I would immediately do that,
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  Speaker 1: and then I would immediately go in there and just
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm gonna go in there when I plant,
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  Speaker 1: I do it the same day. And this is just
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  Speaker 1: me being fussy, But the same day I would go
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  Speaker 1: through there and be like, hey, while you're planting this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm hiring you, or I'm begging you to do it,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe I'm running it, I'd go take a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of chainsaws with me, and I'd go in the timber
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  Speaker 1: and I would find some things that, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: figure out what your undesirable trees are, your poor quality trees,
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  Speaker 1: and just dump a few here and there to create
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  Speaker 1: some structure. And that structure will last, you know, continually,
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  Speaker 1: it'll definitely impact the whole fall. And by the time
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  Speaker 1: even hunting season comes in a month later, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to start using that as betting and structure and like
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  Speaker 1: you know, even some of the brows that'll come down
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  Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit will start to yeah, probably
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  Speaker 1: not much, but they'll be definitely more betting, and that
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  Speaker 1: dynamic will change by the fall. So that's really simple.
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  Speaker 1: That's just two things. That's just quickly, add some food
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  Speaker 1: if I can chain saw, some cover if I can.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's being very specific, and there's more to
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  Speaker 1: it to that, and this is if somebody can manipulate
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  Speaker 1: the habitat. And then if you could add a watering
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  Speaker 1: hole too, I definitely would do that. And all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, you're like, so you got a month to
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  Speaker 1: add three core, huge things right there, and then you
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  Speaker 1: also have a month to be like, hey, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to get five really good setups up and maybe I
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  Speaker 1: do some mock scrapes, maybe I put a rubbing post in.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I just have five stands that are in sweet
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  Speaker 1: funnel locations with the dear naturally travel. I mean, going
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  Speaker 1: back to the basics of how I started hunting, high spent.
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  Speaker 1: It's spent decades hunting. I didn't need to do all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff either. I didn't need to put in a
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  Speaker 1: food plot to shoot a big deer.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the year I've still shot to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Probably did not involve a food plot or a watering
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  Speaker 1: hole or rubbles. Do all those things help, of course
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  Speaker 1: they do, But usually it was hey, man, you can
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  Speaker 1: just hunt my ground.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I got a place to go, and hopefully it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: shared with like fifty thousand other people, and then I
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  Speaker 1: would just go in there and hang. My basic approach
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, I got forty acres, let's go hang
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  Speaker 1: six killer spots that make great sense and go hunt it.
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  Speaker 7: And I kill bucks just doing that.
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  Speaker 1: So sometimes it's very simple, and hey, I have no money,
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  Speaker 1: but I can go.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: So I can't do plots, I can't do timberwork, I
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  Speaker 1: can't put it in a waterhole. That's fine, pick out
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  Speaker 1: six sweet spots. And go hunt it. Hunt smart and
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  Speaker 1: go find the natural movement of the deer. Use your
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  Speaker 1: woodsmanship skills or learn your woodsmanship skills to set up
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  Speaker 1: sweet six, eight, five, whatever. Just really good spots. Go
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  Speaker 1: hunt them correctly, and you probably will have a chance
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  Speaker 1: at a good deer if there's a good deer in there.
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  Speaker 3: Really simple, some great information here from skipping.
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  Speaker 4: I think those projects he'd listed, whether it's permission farm,
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  Speaker 4: maybe it's a farm you've had for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't have those items, make a punch list.
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  Speaker 4: Go out there, get it done, hand your cameras, find
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  Speaker 4: the best five spots, get them set up, and patiently
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  Speaker 4: be ready to strike.
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  Speaker 3: When the time is right.
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  Speaker 4: Next up we have Bobby Kendall, and Bobby buys a
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  Speaker 4: lot of farms, and so he is in this position
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  Speaker 4: a lot, and you get to hear what he would do,
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  Speaker 4: basically what it does every year. I just drew a
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  Speaker 4: tag in a random spot. I knocked on a door,
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  Speaker 4: got permission in an area. I have no clue where
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  Speaker 4: to start. I want the powerball, and I spot a farm.
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  Speaker 4: It's August, and where do I start? Feel that a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the spring food plots long gone a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these really big projects that take a while off
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  Speaker 4: the table.
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  Speaker 3: So brown zero, where do I start? Race? Gun goes off?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So I actually am in this situation a lot because
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  Speaker 8: I buy a lot of farms, and a lot of
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  Speaker 8: times I don't I don't control when I buy them,
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  Speaker 8: So a lot of times I'm I'm past the point
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  Speaker 8: of a lot of this stuff.
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  Speaker 7: So a couple of.
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  Speaker 8: Things to come to mind. Like one thing you can
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  Speaker 8: you can, you know, get on the horn with is
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  Speaker 8: if there's a farmer is reaching out to him and
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  Speaker 8: starting to try and figure out if you're gonna be
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  Speaker 8: able to buy back crops because that's huge, especially corn.
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  Speaker 8: And the other thing is you're going to want to
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  Speaker 8: go put cameras out immediately to see what's there. And
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  Speaker 8: so that time of year, if you have beans, it's
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  Speaker 8: a lot easier because you have lots of places to
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  Speaker 8: put I was just on a farm earlier, and I
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  Speaker 8: think we talked about this a little while ago. Beans
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  Speaker 8: last year, eight or ten cameras, corn this year a
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  Speaker 8: couple And so if you have beans or olf outfields
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  Speaker 8: or stuff like that, it's going to make it a
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  Speaker 8: lot easier. Some ponds, natural ponds go and trim down
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  Speaker 8: a nice spot, or back your mower in and make
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  Speaker 8: a spot. They're going to go to that easy spot
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  Speaker 8: of the pond, you know. But otherwise, what I like
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  Speaker 8: to do on a corn here, and what I'll do
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  Speaker 8: on this farm down here, on a corn here, and
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  Speaker 8: I always look forward to this day. I'll get my
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  Speaker 8: backpack and I'll fill it up with sell cams, and
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  Speaker 8: I'll get my hedge clippers, and i'll take some t posts.
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  Speaker 8: Everything's all grown up and nasty, and I'll just go
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  Speaker 8: around the edges of all the corn fields in like
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  Speaker 8: mid September, and I'll i'll just study those licking branches.
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  Speaker 8: You can tell where they're gonna want to scrape concentrations
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  Speaker 8: a scent where a point comes up out of the
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  Speaker 8: woods to a cove or whatever. You'll be able to
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  Speaker 8: see the branches that have been hit years and years.
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  Speaker 8: You can generally tell what licking branches look like. So
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  Speaker 8: I'll and they're already starting to put their face in
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  Speaker 8: them by mid September, so I'll just wait a little longer.
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  Speaker 7: Kind of Okay, let's just wait a little longer. We're
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  Speaker 7: already this far.
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  Speaker 8: And I'll go in there and I'll hedge clip everything
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  Speaker 8: down so it's nice and low, and I'll put a
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  Speaker 8: camera up and I'll just load the farm up on
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  Speaker 8: those licking branches.
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  Speaker 7: Also, if I'm.
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  Speaker 8: Studying a TAPO or whatever and i'm the obvious rough
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  Speaker 8: funnels inside corners, obvious spots are gonna be good in
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  Speaker 8: the rut, I'll it's like I'll dive down in. I'll
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  Speaker 8: walk every inch I want to. I want to just
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  Speaker 8: do it once and be over with it, and I'll
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  Speaker 8: pick my stands. I always I use ONYX and I
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  Speaker 8: always when i'm scouting, whether it's a winter or that
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  Speaker 8: time of year, as I'm picking these trees, I always
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  Speaker 8: put a pin and I take a picture of the tree,
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  Speaker 8: and within the app you can attach it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I don't have any.
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: Affiliation with these guys, but that way, I don't know
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: if you're like me, but like I can't remember what
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: happened two seconds ago. So that way, like when you
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: get in the game later, you can just pull up
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: your phone and be like, oh, yeah, that needs a
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: lock on, that needs sticks, that needs a lot. You
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: know that you can tell what that tree needs, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: a lot of times you know if the spot can
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: have two different wins.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: I'll take pictures of both of them.
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: So I'm like scouting, but I'm also putting those cameras
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: out along the corn on the licking branches. And then
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: and it's very important those licking branches. Those that's where
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: that's where you're gonna probably shoot one in October is
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: on one of those straits.
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: And so, okay, scrape spot.
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: Where can I get with a north to a west
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: a northwest wind in October because that's going to be
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: the magic X days.
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: That's all my design.
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: Everything I do is based on a northwest wind north
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: to west because those are the days that the deer
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: we're after is most likely going to walk in October.
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: I don't know about you, but I like to shoot
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: my deer early as possible before he's dead by somebody else.
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: So I put a lot of eggs in that north
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: west basket in October. So I'm like, Okay, licking branch,
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: this spot makes sense, this is where I need to
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: be for the northwest.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Does it work with.
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: The thermals, because the thermals will screw you worse than
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: the wind in October. You want a big ditch, so
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: if you if you can find those spots that sets
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: up for northwest with a big ditch.
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: For your thermost a pull.
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: Then you can be like, okay, well, if this farmer
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: is gonna let me buy that crop, this is where
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: I want to do it based off of access, but
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: also northwest. And because again maybe the access isthing good,
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: but the northwest setup and the thermal set up because
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: I can't bring a box line here is really good
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: for this spot, but the access isn't great. Well, I'm
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: gonna pick and choose my days in October, like we
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: talked about earlier, I'm gonna buy this little piece of
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: corn back and I'm gonna hunt right there. So you're
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: already visualize, you're thinking like a ear you're visualizing it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: And then like maybe there's some more scrape branches down
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: through here, and you're like, well, this one's gonna be
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: so powerful because this is where the point comes out
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: of the woods and there's a concentration is sent here.
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: You can see the corn damage, you can see it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: This is where they want to scrape because there's a
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: concentration of set So I'm just gonna eliminate these other
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: scrape branches around here anyway. And then they have to
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: come here to my camera, and they have to come
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: here when I shoot them in October. So yeah, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: just go around and I load the load those liking
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: branches up. I pop into the obvious rough donald stands
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: because in October I'm not diving into those spots anyway. Yeah,
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: unless there's really good access. We passed the.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: Full moon in the end of the month.
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: I'm running out of my window because the mornings can
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: be really good in October.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: But you just have to weigh is it worth it yet?
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: And sometimes it becomes yes because of the spot, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: yes because it's far into October, and yes because I
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: have this deer peg. You know, I shot a big
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: one two years ago October fourth, in the morning because
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: I had him pegged, had perfect access. I knew what
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: he's gonna do because of the front, Like he's gonna
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: be checking marking territory in the front because or marking
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: territory in daylight morning in the evening, because this pressure
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: front just came in and wound him up, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: so thinking like a deer.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: No, obviously, Bobby hunts in the Midwest a lot and
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: buying back the crops. It's gonna cost some money, but
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: can greatly extend your season for a late season opportunity.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: It could be an anchor for the farm throughout the
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: majority of the year, depending if it isn't corner or
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: if it's in beans, and so some really good pieces
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: of information for anyone to go out and make their
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: season as best as possible with with it just right
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: around the corner, because we're running out of time for
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: some of these big exciting projects. But with that punchless,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be a little bit closer. Next up we
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: have Don Higgins on what he would do on a
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: brand new piece that he just got at the end August.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I just got access to a new farm. Where do
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I start?
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: What?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Well, at this point of the season, you know it's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: late August, I'd be I'd be walking the farm just
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to learn the terrain as much as anything. I'm not
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: looking for, although yeah, I'm looking for deer signed to
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: some degree, I'm looking for old sign you know, old
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: rubs on big trees and things like that. Trying to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: figure out potential stand locations, access points, How am I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: going to access that property? What wind directions am I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: going to be able to hunt this property?
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: With?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: If the situation allows, you know, can I get a
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: fall food pot in? I'm taking When I'm doing that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: initial scouting foray through the property, I'm going to have
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a bundle of trail cameras with me. I'm going to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: be hanging those to get an inventory of the bucks
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: that are on the property, doing everything I can to
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: make up for lost time, and doing it as quickly
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: as possible. I'm not going to be going and scouting
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: multiple times. That one trip through is going to be
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to learn the terrain, to get those cameras out to
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: find potential stand sites. Then I'm going to be waiting
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to see what my cameras tell me as to how
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I proceed. If I can put a food pot in,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be wanting to do that immediately. You know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: September first is the magical date for fall plots across
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: much of the Midwest. I know, the guys up north,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I want to get them in sooner than that. The
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: guys to the south may still have some time, but
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the sweet spot for much of us,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: or much of the Midwest for most of us.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: So that's how I would approach property.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: When you walk that farm for the first time. Maybe
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: you saw them on a gas station and you've been
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: hoping to run into them, and hey, can I you
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: might mind if I hunt that farm you never walked before.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: That first time you go in there, you mentioned looking
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: for train, uh that may move to your old sign.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: How fast are you actually going through that farm? Because
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: you and I imagining you probably take your time because
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: that's your one time. So I just want to make
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: that really clear where they hear fast urgency. Okay, now
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I have to burn through this farm and I don't know.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You know, they don't make notes, they don't do what
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: are some things that you do?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm taking my my phone on my on X app.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna mark potential pre stand locations. I love to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: drop pins, and every time I drop a pin, I'm
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: gonna be making notes. You know, this would be good
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: during the rut. I'm gonna need a northwest wind. I'm
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: going to access you know, across an open cornfield. Gonna
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: be a better morning spot than the evening spot. So
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: every and when I put a camera up, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna mark mark that location. I'm just gonna use
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that app to mark everything that I can as I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: make my way across that property.
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: That way, I don't forget anything.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And then if a true target buck does show up,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: a buck I want to kill shows up on camera, boom.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I've got all this intel right there on my phone
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: where I can take advantage of it and not have
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to go back and refresh my memory. Oh yeah, I remember,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: now I did see that tree. I mean, I'm going
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to be taking spot.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have I stand face this direction exactly everything.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be saying, you know, there's a pin
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: oak tree halfway up the ridge where the deer are
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: coming off of the ridge. That's the tree I want
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: my standing. I might even take flagging tape as well
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: to mark the tree, but typically my notes are going
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to be detailed enoughing well, once I get to that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: spot with a stand on my back, I'm gonna remember.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: The other thing is I'm going to be detailing things like, uh,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: what I need to bring in so when I come
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to hang this stand. You know a lot of times
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do a hang and hunt. I'm going
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to come in with end season with my bow in hand,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Novic's tree, stand on my back with climbing sticks and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to note that need to clear a shooting
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: lane to the south, so you know, I may trim
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a few branches, put my stand up, see if I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: need to trim more. Hopefully I don't, and start hunting
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: right away. Typically i'll do this midday and I will
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: put the stand up and I will sit the dark.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: That's kind of yeah. I don't come in and I
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: see my target buck on camera. I don't come in
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: with six trees stands and you know, burger up the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: whole property again. Getting all these stands in place, I
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: will carry them in on my back today. I'm going
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to hunt each one. And you know, I may hunt
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that stand two or three times before the wind switches
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to where I can hunt another location on the farm.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: And when that switch happens, I'll come in midday with
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a another stand on my back and I'll leave the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: original stand come in with another stand on my back.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why it can be critical in
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: situations like that, the stands that you're going to have,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: you don't want to be or I don't want to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: be coming in with a stand that's noisy exactly with
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a chain or you know, buckles rattling, banging on the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: metal and everything. That's where I think the Noviac stand
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: really shines. You can come in and get that up
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: real quiet, real easy, and if you feel you're confident
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: nobody's going to steal it, leave it in place. This
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: is what I do. And by the end of season,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I may have a half a dozen or
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: more on that property, but I'm not coming in and
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: hanging them all at once. I'm bringing them in on
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: hunts and hanging them there.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: You have it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Next up we have Thomas Milsner, and Thomas works a
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: lot on a permission farm, but works with a lot
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: of different folks and he's putting together detailed plans short term,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: long term, and you're going to hear some of those
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: things are right now.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I just got a new piece of private ground.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I bought it, I got a lease, knocked on a door,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and got permission on a piece of private ground. It's
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: August twenty fifth, too late to do a lot of
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the exciting off season projects, the off season scouting. So
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: where do I start to get a leg up for
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: you know what's coming two months from now.
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: There's two perspectives here. One is going to be the
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: long term. One's going to be the short term. And
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: if your property situation itself is long term, you bought
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: it long term lease with some flexibility on what you
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: can actually do, and then I'm going to look at
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: it completely differently from a property that I have permission
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: to hunt this fall, right or you know, hidden piece
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: of public ground or something like that. Right, So there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: two completely different perspectives.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: If I'm focused.
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: On the long term, in my long term goals, then
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: I'm going to play it a little bit safer. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: really just kind of want to sit back and see
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: what is this property producing, and how are the deer
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: operating on this property without the influence of human pressure.
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: That's the biggest thing, because if you're completely new to
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: a property and you go in there and you just
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: start hunting how you hunted the last property or you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: or you're just diving into try and figure things out,
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: even in August, especially in August, then you're just going
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: to stir up the pot, you know. So the way
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: I kind of describe it sometimes is you have all
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: these different just visualize a bunch of different colors in
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: a pot, right, and they all kind of like settle
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: in it on spots. But if you stir it up,
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: now it's just all brown. You can't really decipher what
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: all these things are. You let it settle in. Okay,
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: there's you know, the does are betting over here, bucks
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: are coming from over here, you know, whatever it might be,
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: and you'll figure that out because all those things change
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: throughout the season. So you really got to approach it
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: from that long term mindset, starting in the summer, moving
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: to the end. And a lot of times I'll actually
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: say just to clients, so they don't do any habitat
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: projects the first year, even if it's July. You know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: maybe there's some easy access spots we can throw in
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: a food plot, or more often than not these days,
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: there was an existing food plot out of property. So yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: let's go in there, let's pull our soil samples quick,
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: throw down a good fall blend, and then we'll regroup
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: and figure out how to make things.
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: Better and build the gar in year out.
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: But for right now, as far as deer movement, we're
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: not going to go and make major changes. We don't
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: need to go and hang a ton of stands. Obviously,
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: we can go scout some pinch points, throw some cameras up,
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: throw a stand up, pretty simple, right, but always always,
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: always scout from the outside in and hunt from the
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: outside in, and it just works out that way really well. Anyways,
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: if you're hunting the whole season and not just waiting
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: until the rut right in the early season, you're those
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: deer are more app to come to those bigger food sources, right,
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: So why pressure and why put pressure on their betting
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: areas if they can come to you right and scout
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: from the outside end, hunt from the outside end. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: you're on the outskirts hunting these bigger food sources. Maybe
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: a transition plot leading to those food sources where you're
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: keeping all that pressure off, and then as the season progresses,
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: maybe you inch in little by little. But what I
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: always tell everyone is don't be afraid to get aggressive,
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: but understand the risk versus reward of those situations. So
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: with that mindset, if you're a short term guy, if
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: you just got permission to this piece and it's only
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: for this year, and you don't know is there you
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: know some neighbor's grandson that still has access to hunt
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: this property in November when you've been keeping the pressure off,
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: this guy is going to show up and hunt one
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: day without telling anyone, because the person that gave you
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: permission doesn't even own the land. To just connect, you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: there's all sorts of weird things that happen. Then I'm
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: going to get a lot more aggressive. I'm going to
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: go in you know, I'm still going to start with
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: food sources, especially given the time of the year. Starting
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: with food sources, finding you know, potentially a community scrape
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: around the edge of a big food source. Don't expect
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: to see deer there during daylight very often, but it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: more of an inventory thing. What's in the area, Where
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: where are they coming from. I'm starting to put together
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: these theories. You know, where are they betting, where are
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: they feeding? I know they're feeding here at nine o'clock
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: at night, but where they start? And you know, where
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: can I intersect them? And then I'm going a little
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: bit deeper scouting, you know, trying to pick a rainy
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: day or windy day. Got a camera in my backpack,
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: throwing some cameras up. I'm getting more aggressive, but I'm
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: still mindful of my pressure. Right So I'm going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: take a I'm gonna take a shot early in the
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: season I'm going to get in there, I'm going to scout,
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: and then I'm going to back off. But while I'm
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: in their early season trying to find an early season
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: buck and make an aggressive move on him, I'm anticipating
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: what things are going to look like come October November
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: time for him for the rut, and maybe I'm hanging
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: on a couple cameras then if I'm you know, in
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: the depths of the property. But more often than not,
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: I'm not going deep into a property if I don't
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: have an intimate relationship with a topography and the habitat,
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: because I know that I'm going to lose that game
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: nine times out of ten when that buck knows that
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: property so well it hasn't been pressured and then I
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: go in there all willy nilly. So the biggest thing
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: is short term, long term mindset. But long term, I'm
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: really trying to learn that property without me stirring that
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: pot so that I can come back after the season
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: and put together a really good plan and start breaking
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: that plan down into a timeline of you know, priority
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: projects for that for improvement of that property. And maybe
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: you don't need to do a whole lot. Maybe it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: just improve a couple betting areas, get your stands out,
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: improve a couple of pinch points, and improve that access.
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: You know, maybe there's a lot of work that needs
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: to be done, but I almost want to kind of
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: get a feel for what's going on in that property.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Something that's stuck with me with this segment with Thomas,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to start from the outside and scout in and be
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: very mindful that if you did, if you were lucky
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: enough to buy your first farm or a farm, or
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: a new farm, or a long term lease or a
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: long term permission farm, having a long term perspective is
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: obviously paramount for a long term success. And I think
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Thomas nailed it here on the head regarding that. Next up,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: we have Jeff Sturgis, So let's get right into it. Okay,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I just got a new piece of private ground. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: might have knocked on a door. I might have bought
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: it and just closed on it. It's August twenty fifth,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: you know, the gun, the gun is getting really close
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: for opening day. What can I do now? It's brand
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: new and I don't have any stands, I don't have
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: any cameras out.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: What do I do? Where do I start?
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: You know, the first thing we did and we bought
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: our property in June, we could start doing things. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: you know, like I said, I wasn't even I wasn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: even the core area of our property until after the
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: hunting season. The majority of it, about seventy percent of
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: the land I never even looked at because we couldn't
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: go in it and spoke to here. So I'm looking
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: at specific locations that I can hunt. I know that
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: I can get in and out of this funnel. It's
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: not just this is a good spot, it's is this
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: a good spot and I can get it and out?
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Is a huntable?
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: And what is that game plan going to be?
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: Is it going to be a morning stand because it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: more closely related to betting, or is this an afternoon
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: stand it's more closely related to food source. Then I
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: can start to identify a plan of this is how
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: access that morning stand away from the food. This is
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: how I can hunt near food in the afternoon. This
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: is a morning stand, this is an afternoon stand. If
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: it's a morning stand and likely not hunt that towards
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: until towards the rut, then what I'm looking at is
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: then I'm going in and identifying individual trees that I
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: can hunt, and I'm going to place those cameras at
• 33:14
  Speaker 11: those stand locations exactly where I expect to shoot them
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: on the trail, I expect to shoot them in the location.
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: I expect to shoot them.
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: And I'm going to add mox scrapes to all those
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: stand locations, something free and simple and make vertical will
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: I looked this morning for some reason, but it was
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: sixty two mox scrape videos that I have on my
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: YouTube channel, and so it's in a playlist. Sixty two
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: mox scrape videos. Feel free to enjoy but at nauseum.
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: But they I've been doing it for a long time
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: and it's free use no sense. But I'm going to
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: put those at the stand location. I expect that buck
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: to be shot in and around that mock scrape location
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: somewhere on that trail, and then that's a great spot
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: to haking a camera at the same time too. Now,
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: if I want to enhance it, we've installed a lot
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: of holes as late as early October. It's for a
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: rut on end of October November. If you're in a
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: dry area, people always say, well, I have a creek,
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: we have running water, and springs down in the valleys
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: and most of our location and a our entire property
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: in Minnesota, and same with the Wisconsin reached on.
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: It's where the deer are traveling.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: So if deer are bedded in dry areas and they're
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: on the way to a food source and is dry
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: in between, great spot for waterhole. If there's dry bedding
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: areas and you put a water hole in between for
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: morning rut stands, awesome spot. Funnel cruising stands as well.
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: As you can picture a block moving from point A
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: to point B and he can't get water in between them,
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: it's a perfect spot for a waterhole, even if he
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: has water one hundred yards opposite direction, because then you
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: can keep them within the same movement. He has water there,
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: why is he going to go one hundred yards out
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: of his way.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: And come back.
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: Typically, if he gets out of his bedding area at
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: four in the afternoon's getting dark at five, and he
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: goes one hundred yards off your property to go get water,
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: he's not coming back. They're efficient creatures, they're not wasting
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: two hundred yards of travel. So give them that water hole.
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: And that's one of the things a quick install we
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: use three hundred galon rubber maids one hundred and fifty
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: gallon does and it's a lot easier to shovel one
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: hundred and ten gallon cheap one from TSSE you use
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: to get those for under one hundred dollars. It's one
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: hundred and ten gallons that ends up about twenty four
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: inches deep. I like that depth to size ratio because
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: it holds water longer, it doesn't evaporate. You don't want
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: one of the big shallow ponds you like a kiddie
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: pool or something like that. So that's another quick enhancement
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: to your hunt that once you have those stand locations
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: narrowed down, you've narrowed down where a morning stand is afternoon,
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: you've narrowed down your access. Added some mox scrapes your
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: stand locations are in that water hole can be the
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: perfect sweetener. And when we're putting, people say, well, do
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: I use a waterhole or a mox grape? Always using
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: mox scrape every stand location, no more, no less. But
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: then a waterhole would be in addition to that off
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: the side to the point when we have camera on
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: that then the smack scrape is either in the background
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: or the foreground, water hole vice versa. And get this,
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: I get both of them in one picture, so I
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: can monitor both of them for the entire year.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I found Jeff's perspective on this to be really interesting
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: on how careful he has been in the past when
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: he has fallen into this category. And what's great about
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: this is so many different perspectives from so many interesting
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: hunters that have a lot of the same things that overlap,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: but little nuances, and so hopefully you're picking up these
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: small little things and you're figuring out what will apply
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: directly to you so you can make the next thirty
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: days as best as possible. Next step we have Steve
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Hanson on what he would do and if he would
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: take on a large project this late end of the summer.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: It's late August. You just got access to a new
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: piece of ground. What do you do and where do
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: you start?
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: Well, the first thing I try to figure out is
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: work on the access. You know, if if there's anything
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: you can do, whether that be mowing trails, you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: just anything like that, even if it has to be
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: with a you know, a weed whip to go along
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: the edge of some crops. Just try to figure out
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: a way that you're going to be able to hunt
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: this or be able to access this to hunt. And
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: then assuming it's too late to do any food plots
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: where this farm's located, my next thing would be I'd
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: be trying to reach out to whoever that tenant is
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: on the farm, if there's crops on it, on the
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: odd chance that he would work with you and you
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: could buy a little bit of standing crop and give
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: yourself a permanent food source. You know, those would be
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: the first two things that I would be trying right away.
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: So then you know, then after that it would be
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: just you know, as many trail cameras as I can
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: set up and use any other way of scouting as possible,
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: like here in Iowa outside the season, we're able to
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: put some corn out near the cameras. I would be
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: pulling out all the stops trying to learn what deer
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: are there and kind of you know, fast track it
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: to that. That would be the first couple steps that
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: I would would take without a doubt.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Would you if you had the ability and idea to
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: you know, with a being brand new and let's say
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: you did buy it, would you go in and try
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: to do any over major over overhauls like a new
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: pretty hefty trail system, or man, it's late August. I know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: the guy with the dozer can get in there this
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: week and we can get the food plot in the
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: first week of September. Would you do anything like that
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: this first go around?
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, if it was.
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: An owned property, I absolutely would if you had the
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: ability to work that quickly, and that would be the
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: big question. If it was an owned piece where you
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: had the control of the property, I think you still
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: have just a little tiny bit of time to do that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: I know the the year that I shot that two fourteen,
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: we dozed and cleared that food plot Labor Day weekend,
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: so that, yeah, we had picture.
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: We got pictures of that buck and then went back.
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: And altered our stand or our food plot setup up
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: and that's where inevitably ended up killing them. And that
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: was a food plot planted like the first week of
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: September where we did all the dozing and clearing Labor
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: Day weekend.
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: So there's definitely still time.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's good. Now, what if it's a knock
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: on door permission? Would you go in and what would
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: be your strategy for potentially identifying stand locations and as
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: far as identifying what this farm, what time frame in
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: the year this farm might be good too, I think
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: is another part. So we're just we're talking about imaginary
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: piece of ground. So if you know, just for a
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: guy that just randomly gets a piece you mentioned, you know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: do some quick scouting the weed whacker and clean up
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: access is a big one. But is there any other
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: key things that someone should do on their first go
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: around going into a brand new place?
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: The one of the simplest ones is I would get
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: a copy of a lie to our map. A lie
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: to our map is is like ground or penetrating where
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: vegetation penetrate radar. That's going to show every little nook
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: and cranny of that farm. And I would be using
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: that to try to identify some rut funnels so that
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: you don't have to walk the entire place. So I
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: would do that, and I would probably pick the three
• 40:12
  Speaker 12: most prominent rut funnels, and then I would, you know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: put some boots on the ground and field scout those spots.
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: And then but when I went in there, i'd be
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: ready to set them up because you've really at this
• 40:23
  Speaker 12: point got to start limiting your amount of intrusion into
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: those interior areas. So I would be looking for three
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: two to three different wind direction key rut funnel spots,
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: and my first tool to do that would be a
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: light our map so some of the app, you know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: different apps can get you that. You can also get
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: it right from your county from like our nrcs. They
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: print those off for me. At times we can print
• 40:48
  Speaker 12: them ourselves through different avenues, but they're super super helpful.
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: You can do like I like the black and white
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: hills what they call hill shade. You can get a
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: color hill shade. It's all whatever you're used to looking at.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, honest.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Actually this added light r to their app to click,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: you click topo and then on the base maps and
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: you switch a lighter on, which is really nice.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: To your point, be really nice.
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: That's a great that's a great feature that's going to
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: be super helpful, all on one platform.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think here, just because I know there's this.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: There's if someone just randomly gets a new piece, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: whether it's a lease or they're closing on a farm,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: or they knock on a door and they get permission
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: there's just so much excitement and anticipation all bundled in
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: right before the season two especially. Let me run this
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: quick scenario by you for someone that just knocked on
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: a door because they essentially heard there was a big
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: deer in the area and they wanted to get in
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: that ball game. And with that comes excitement of Okay,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: now I have an opportunity of maybe tagging this specific buck.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: But on the flips out of it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: You know, throughout this series, a lot of folks have
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: said that they wanted to be really patient, methodical, even
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: leading up into the season, of not pressuring a farm
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: too much. Where do you follow on that scale with
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: it being late August and you just got access and
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: you don't want to blow up you know, this potential
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: mature buck that you're after.
• 42:18
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know the fact that you just the fact
• 42:20
  Speaker 12: you already know there's a mature buck on the property
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: or in the neighborhood, so you're way ahead of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: curve there. You're not trying to find one. If the
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: time of year you're gonna you think you have the
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: best chance of taking you know, if harvestingham would be
• 42:34
  Speaker 12: late October early November, I'm going to look for what
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: food sources are probably still going to be there then
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: for that Halloween time, places where I can start out
• 42:44
  Speaker 12: hunting field edges and gaining a little bit more knowledge
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: of the area while i'm hunting, you know, because that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: those are the first areas that you're going to start
• 42:52
  Speaker 12: to see rubs and scrapes around the field edges and stuff,
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: and you still don't have to penetrate deeper into there.
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: Once you hunt that, hopefully you get some eyes on
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: the buck that you're after. And that's when I would
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: kind of switch into that first week in November and
• 43:07
  Speaker 12: start start being very very aggressive because obviously, if you
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: know about this buck, somebody else probably does too, and
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: you know, that's that's why you can't really be super
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: hands off and let him come to you. I would
• 43:21
  Speaker 12: use the last week of October sort of as my
• 43:24
  Speaker 12: hunting slash scouting, with the plan of having a few
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: quick setups with me and moving right in as soon
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: as I get the intel that I need. So it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 12: kind of a it's yeah, it's kind of a oh,
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: a passive aggressive approach to hunting. You know, the first
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: week you're you're pretty passive hoping he comes to you
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: the second week, you have to go to him.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, no, it'll be that'll be here before we
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: know it. So anyone that tunes in and this throughout
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: the season, a lot of things changed. Maybe you lose
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: a piece that you were planning on hunting right now,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: or maybe you get one, and there's just a lot
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: of a lot of things that can happen, you know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: in the next four months.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know a lot of times.
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: One thing that you know, kind of pushed me back
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: into What makes this question pretty relevant is we've had
• 44:08
  Speaker 12: years with EHD, or we've had a good scouting plan
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: lost the bucks that were after so even though we
• 44:16
  Speaker 12: had a great setup from June going forward, we had
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: to start over virtually in this late this is typically
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: when we have trouble with EHD, would be that kind
• 44:25
  Speaker 12: of mid mid August to early September. So it's a
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: very relevant question.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: So there you have it. That's Steve's perspective.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: And if you have a big project you've been kicking around,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: or maybe you fall into this category, you still have
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: time to go make the big project, make the improvement
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: to make the season great, if you feel good about
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: the plan, and last but not least we have mister
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Mark Kenyon to close out this episode to get his.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Opinion on a brand new farm. Where do you start?
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: And here we go?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: All right, you just bought a new farm, you just
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: got a new lease, you just knocked on a door,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: and you just got access. It's late August, all of
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: the preseason major prep projects may be behind us.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Where do I start?
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Because I'm excited and nervous at the same time, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: want to make this happen.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, So I am first starting with maps,
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: and I'm doing like a deep dive study of my
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: map at two levels. I'm doing a macro study, so
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: I'm zooming way out and I'm learning the neighborhood, what's
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: all around my property, How do other properties feed into
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: my property? How much deerb using the neighbors or the
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: neighbors neighbors, How does all that? How does my piece
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: of the puzzle fit to the larger picture? So I
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: really want to try to understand that. And then I'm
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: zooming in doing the micro map study, where I'm like
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: just focusing on my forty year whatever it is, and
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: really trying to as best as I possibly can with
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: the map identify likely food sources, likely, betting areas, likely
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: travel corridors, likely, pinch points of any kind. And I'm
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: pinning or circling or marking all of those key places
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: on the map and spending a lot of time thinking
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: that through. What's a lot of time, many nights, okay,
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: multiple nights or days around, just like studying and thinking
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: and like imagining all the possibilities, and like you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: I'm looking at all the different I'm looking at cover,
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: I'm looking at topography, I'm looking at water, I'm looking
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: at maybe even soil type, or I'm looking at like
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: layers on Onyx where you can see where the oaks
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: are or where conifers are, and having vegetation types. I'm
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: definitely looking at crop rotations. So there's layers on a
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: lot of these apps now where you can see what
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: fields have been planted. So I would like to know, Okay,
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: where has corn been, where have beans been? What's the
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: likely rotation now this year? So I'm definitely looking to see,
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: you know, with like like Onyx or other apps probably
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: have a tool where you can see what fields were
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: planted and whether it's corn or beans or what that
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: rotation was. So I want to look at all of
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: those things to start thinking through where this deer might
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: be feeding, where they may be bedded, how they're getting
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: in between both, and that way, I have all of
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: this done ahead of time with my maps, I know
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: the key places. Now I can go in and do
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: a serious but kind of concentrate scouting exercise. So if
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: it's late August or early September, I am okay going
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: in and like intruding and seeing the place. But I
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: don't want to go overboard with it because my typical
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: rule of thumb is, if possible, I like to leave
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: any property that I'm hunting one undred percent alone for
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: at least thirty days before running season. If I get
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: so in this case, I'd be like right at that point.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: So it's like I go in like Labor Day weekend,
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: and I've got one day and I'm gonna go in
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: there and pound pavement, and I have this map, I
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: have this plan, and I'm going to go and probably
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: do the outside edge of the property, and I'm going
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: to hit every one of these key points. So those
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: key funnels, those key convergences, the key food sources betting
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: area is the places that I think are hot spots.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: On the map, and I'm going to go on ground
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: truth those places if they actually match up with what
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: I thought they would, I want to understand like the
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: pillars of this property. I'm gonna mark every little bit
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: of data that I see along the way, So every trail,
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: every scrape, every old rup, every masked tree, every you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: either a soft mass tree like an apple tree or
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: a hard mask an oak tree, and mark all those things.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna mark every major entry into the property from
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: the neighbors. I'm gonna be thinking through every topography future
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna add notes like if I see like a
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: super great looking vetting area on the slope, I'm gonna
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: pin that and maybe add a few notes about what's there,
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: what makes special. I want to learn and then be
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: able to remember the party actionable like information from this
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: all in that one day. I'm also gonna backpack the
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: little cameras when I do this, so if I didn't
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: you know, we talked on a previous episode about kind
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: of doing something similar with trail cameras. I'm looking at
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: kind of doing these two things together. So as I
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: go and do this one day scouting run, I'm taking
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: in my cameras with me. I'm setting them up so
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: I can set them and forget them. So there's likely
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: going to be what I'm gonna be setting up now
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: if this is like sometime like just before the season,
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: I'm setting up everything for hunting season information. So I'm
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: less worried about setting something up to get summer pictures
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: at this point because they're transitioning off their summer pattern
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: into their fault pattern. So I'm setting up on scrapes
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: or what I think will be scrapes. I'm setting up,
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: you know, a place that I think will be eventually
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: right funnels. I'm setting up in places that are close
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: to bedding where I think deer will be transitioning out
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: towards food. And again thinking about hunting season related intel.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: Are you prepping trees and picking trees where you pine
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: on hunting or are you bringing any tree stands or
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: are you pretty much fully a saddle guy in this scenario?
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: Yep, in this scenario, I'm not prepping trees. I'm picking trees. Okay,
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: So I will be going throughout this school process and
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: picking And when I said I'm not prepping, I should,
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: I will be mostly picking trees. I often have enough time,
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: I will often have like a pull saw or yeah
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: and so, and if I have time and I've gone
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: through it did my full day, if there's like a
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: handful of those trees that I picked as like high priority,
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: and I have the time to go on there and
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: just cut some lanes or just cut player it out
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: enough you can get up in the tree nice and quietly,
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: I'll do that. If I have a weekend, I can
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: do that. In the second day, I'll do that too.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: But I'm not worried about going and prepping a bunch
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: of trees anymore. I would rather just have a bunch
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: of places like picked out. I was like, hey, this
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: is pretty cool. I like this spy, like this spot,
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: like this spot, and then come season I can go
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: in there and hunt mobile with the saddle. And then
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: what I think works really well is that you approach
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: year one like that. You don't invest and double down
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: on any one location with a big built up setup.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: And if you go in there and bring in a
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: big ladder stand or bring in sticks, send up hang
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: on and really strap it on their nice and carve
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: out huge shooting lanes and all that kind of stuff,
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: it's like an investment in that.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Place, you became biased to that area.
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: Bias to that place, you become like there's that like
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: some Yes, now you've done all that work, you don't
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: want to move. And I think that could be a
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: huge mistake to go and like set up and invest
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: in a place like that before you really know it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: And so what you end up doing is you like
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: made this purchase, and you're kind of like want to
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: keep believing that purchase because he put in all this work,
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: and then you're not willing to truly listen to what
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: you've saw or learned about the area and make the
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: small movement. So by having low investment on the front end,
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: so again like just going in with a saddle and
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: do very little majorly time investment, I don't feel bad
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: when I hunt that spot. I'm like, oh, that's not
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: quite right. I really need to be thirty yards that one.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: And so next time I go thirty yards that when
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: I hunt it for a saddle, I'm like, oh, actually,
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: you know, I need to.
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: Be over here.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: And then I've done that. And now after that first
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: year of hunting this new property, I've learned enough, I've
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: tried enough things I wasn't scared or like in some
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: way resistant to change. Now I know, okay, actually that
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: oak there on the corner by the crossing, that is
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: the spot. Now for a year two I will go
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: fully prep that cut length, maybe put up sticks that
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: stay up, something like that. But I'm doing it with
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: a truly informed opinion rather than just my first gut
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: instinct after having just just barely soft place.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: So that's how I was don in my first year
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: when you said you would go in and map everything
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: out this picture of forty yep, how many pins and
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: annotations and notes would you have? And I guess even
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: that's a twofold question before you go there? And then
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: how many more are you adding when you're physically there?
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: Obviously dependent on the features, but this a general idea
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: so people can understand how detailed you're you know, really being.
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would guess like before, so just looking at
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: the map before going in, let's assume it's like a
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: mix of egg and timber, a couple of little fields,
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: a couple of fingers and movie. Yeah, that might be
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: eight to twelve things that stood out in the map.
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: Maybe I was like, Okay, I definitely want to go
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: check that out. It could be way more. It might
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: be a place is way less but somewhere that though
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: I don't know ten to twenty eight to well, something
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: like that. Probably that I was like, hey, check it out, interesting,
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: and then you go out there for the day, and
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: then you're probably at least doubling that with real stuff
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: on the ground. It could be you know, I could
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: walk out of there with twenty pins. I could walk
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: out of there with thirty five pins. How much time
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: do you take to organize those? Are you color coding them?
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: Are you actually you know, yeah, I'm guilty. I'm guilty
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: of this season the on xpin and they're like what
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: was that? Yeah?
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: And then there's times where I do take the times
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: it'll be more detailed.
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: I don't color code. I do try to icon code,
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: so like I will have a trail camera icon, I'll
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: have a buck icon of that icon of scrape icon, yep,
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: that kind of stuff, a stand icon. So that's how
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: I organize them.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: Also one thing I'll do that first day or two
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: is if I find a couple of those first few trees,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh this is interesting. If it's like thick,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: nasty stuff, I will walk and track the trail to it,
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: so I know what the best quietest or easiest route
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: into that tree is, because that's the thing, Like I'm
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: not going to have pre prepped trails necessarily at this
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: last minute. Yeah, it's a new place, but like that's
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: another thing that it's a small thing just track in
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: your walk there, but it can really help you when
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: you go on it for the first time. That's another
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: small thing all I at there.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. And
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: it once again, you're excited. You just got this new
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: place and you want to go in there and burn
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: through it. But I think to your point once again,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: being really methodical, and I picture in my mind, I'm busy,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: just like everyone else. I am time blocking this and
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not thinking or doing any other obligations during how
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: this period. I'm solely focused on learning as much as possible,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: leaving detailed notes, and so my time is efficient and
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not getting distracted. And I say that I want
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: to do that, but it doesn't always work that way.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: Sure, But I think the key thing with it is
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: because you're so close to the season starting, what you
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: don't want to do, in my opinion, is you don't
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: want to be like, all right, I'm gonna do a
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: little bit this Saturday, and I'll come back next weekend,
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: do a little bit next Saturday, and I'll come back
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: the next weekend and do another next Saturday, and they'll
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: do some the next and the season starts that someday.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: Whatever it is, you don't want a bunch of repeated
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: intrusions and doing it. I'd rather blow it up in
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: one or two days versus like blow up corner here,
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: in the corner here the next week, and the corner
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: here the next week, at the quarter here the next week,
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: because that is just like consistent pressure. That's gonna have
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: those deer more and more and more and more educated
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: before the season starts. That's a huge mistake. Yeah, one
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: bad day deer can get over pretty quick. Repeated bad
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: days they don't tolerate nearly as well.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you bring that up, because that was
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: that was the ringing advice through all of the guests.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: None of them said, well, I'm gonna go there on
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: one day and then I'm gonna think about it for
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: a couple of days, and then I'm gonna go back again,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: and then and all these multiple trips. It's very clear
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: that if this happens to you, you're in this scenario,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: you have to be you have to have a really
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: good plan, and you have to have one in one
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: out best case scenario to maximize your opportunity and minimize
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: the downside. So I think that's something that everyone should
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: really consider. It. Man, what an exciting time if you're
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: in this position. That's a really exciting time to go
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: learn a new piece and test your theories and then
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: affirm your theories for the following year if you're able
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: to go back. And so I think it's a really
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: exciting time. And hopefully all these experts give you some
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: clear and concise guidance, because I think that was the
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: case for this episode. And next week we have one
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: that everyone that's planted a food plot has been in
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: this scenario and we're diving into. If you're and you're
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: listening to this right now, you're probably can we release
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: it right now? Because you're probably looking at it. If
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: your food plots did not turn out how you wanted,
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: what can you do?
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: What's a contingency plan. We're diving into that next week.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: With some people that have planted thousands of acres of
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: food plots. You guys have it. I hope you enjoyed
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: this episode. It was a lot of fun and I
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: just want to drive this home. I want to reiterate it.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Just if you do not have a brand new farmer,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: you don't fall exactly in this category. The point of
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: this question was even if you've been hunting the same spot,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: to get a fresh perspective to go in and maybe
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: do one last outing around, or go do the project,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: or go hang another set, or the obvious spot that
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: felt too good and too good to be true, it
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: might be the best spot on the farm. And so
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: it's a good reset to revisit and look at farms
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: that you're already hunting or places that you're hunting, and
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: go through this checklist one last time. Because we're getting
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: so close to season. Hopefully this episode pointed you in
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: the right direction. And next week we're flipping the calendar
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: to September, and if you have some food plot questions,
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: you've been struggling the food plots over the years, or
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: you haven't got them in yet, that episode is going
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: to be just for you. So I hope you guys
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: enjoyed this episode, and we will see you next week
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: on the Back forty podcast.