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139. Washing Brains · Dennis Rox: Confessional Self-Improvement & Psychology

0:00
Eldar: On this week's episode.
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Eldar: Before we start talking about AI, the marketing that we have currently is already doing its job.
0:06
Eldar: It's pretty much oppressing everyone from thinking.
0:08
Eldar: So what is the issue?
0:10
Eldar: Why are we making a big deal about AI?
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Toliy: Doesn't like Trump, doesn't like Iran, doesn't like Palestine doesn't like the traffic on the highways.
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Toliy: It's like so many things to have feelings towards that.
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Toliy: It takes up so much energy of yours that it's crippling.
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Mike: It's inevitable.
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Mike: If you're not changing right, then you're not progressing.
0:29
Mike: You could be going backwards, like Harris is most of the time.
0:34
Harris: Fuck you bro.
0:44
Eldar: All right.
0:44
Eldar: So this brings us to our topic.
0:45
Eldar: Our friend Joe, who's a regular listener, right, he's not here today.
0:50
Eldar: He couldn't make it, but he wanted to discuss and talk about.
0:54
Eldar: He posed a question.
0:55
Eldar: He said do we really think on our own, or are our thoughts, ideas and actions designed by others?
1:02
Eldar: Right, and then he Talking about AI, yeah, and then he proceeds to give us a compliment.
1:07
Eldar: He goes you obviously belong in the small percent of the camp of the free thinkers, right?
1:11
Eldar: Harris is on his way, um, and also is that a?
1:16
Harris: is that a compliment?
1:18
Eldar: I think it is.
1:18
Toliy: Yeah, I think you did say he was on drugs when he said that part in particular.
1:22
Toliy: Yes, he did.
1:22
Toliy: What the fuck man?
1:25
Eldar: And then he followed with and with the future of AI and big tech.
1:29
Eldar: Are we heading into a completely controlled society of oppressed thinkers?
1:34
Eldar: I'm going to say yes.
1:37
Harris: Okay, go ahead.
1:38
Harris: Why don't you?
1:39
Harris: I just read an article two days ago, okay, article two days ago.
1:50
Harris: Okay, uh, parents were suing the school.
1:52
Harris: Okay, because they uh punished a student for using ai first time I heard this.
1:59
Eldar: Okay, on his homework he used artificial intelligence to write a book report.
2:05
Harris: Okay this is the thing, right.
2:08
Harris: I mean, it's a bad thing the kid ain't learning, okay, he's.
2:09
Harris: He basically just tells ai hey write this report about abraham lincoln yeah, two pages, 10 pages, whatever, yeah, and it writes it.
2:16
Eldar: Yeah, I mean, you can find everything what's wrong with that?
2:19
Harris: the kid didn't fucking write it.
2:20
Harris: The kid didn't probably even fucking read the book.
2:22
Harris: Okay, he just told hey, write me a 10-page book report on fucking Abraham Lincoln, and then went on his bed and played fucking video games.
2:32
Eldar: Alright, Now who's missing out on losing all knowledge?
2:35
Harris: The kid.
2:36
Harris: Okay, you know.
2:39
Mike: How would the knowledge of Abraham Lincoln help him in his life?
2:42
Harris: Oh damn, it's the history of the United States, dude.
2:44
Mike: Oh, so you rely on the history of the United States?
2:46
Mike: How often In your day-to-day endeavors.
2:49
Harris: It's good to have the history of your fucking country.
2:52
Harris: You're living in dude.
2:53
Mike: Is it helping you on a daily?
2:55
Harris: basis.
2:55
Harris: The point is not on what he wrote the book report about.
2:58
Harris: Okay, sure.
2:59
Harris: The point is everyone now has access to this fucking AI technology.
3:03
Eldar: Okay so, but how is it?
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Eldar: He said he used the word oppressed thinkers, right, and I asked him that.
3:07
Eldar: I said what do you mean by oppressed thinkers?
3:09
Eldar: Is that the result of AI?
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Eldar: And he expanded and said yes, so the big tech like Google have biased search results and very controlling way of influencing your thoughts.
3:19
Eldar: With AI coming, and all we do is ask Google what to tell us.
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Eldar: Ai is getting us this information even faster without even having to know how to do our own research.
3:30
Harris: I mean, this is what you're talking about, this type of shit, right, that's what I'm talking about.
3:33
Harris: But it's always been this type of shit, even when it was just TV, right, you had let's use the political fucking shit for a minute you had CNN, which is Democrat.
3:43
Harris: Okay, okay, you have Fox, which is Republican.
3:47
Harris: Each of those fucking things has their own stories, right?
3:51
Harris: They piss on one party and the other.
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Harris: So the problem is like me, I grew up watching Fox, which lent me towards Republican, because that's all my fucking dad watched.
4:06
Harris: Okay, all right.
4:07
Harris: My brother, david, grew up CNN.
4:09
Harris: He lives by CNN.
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Harris: My dad lives by Fox.
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Harris: Whatever they say is the fucking truth.
4:14
Harris: Yes, and that's what's happening in the world.
4:15
Harris: Whatever CNN says, david listens to.
4:17
Harris: Okay, that's the truth.
4:18
Harris: Yeah, they don't watch anything else.
4:21
Harris: It's just fox and cnn.
4:22
Harris: Okay, and it fills their minds.
4:24
Harris: It's not even the fucking internet, it's the news station okay, but I tend to fucking listen as well, and that's why I'm voting for trump.
4:34
Mike: man, I mean, he's gonna make the world better.
4:36
Eldar: Listen uh listen, at least you're, at least you're admitting to it.
4:39
Eldar: So, but the problem still stands right and I think that joe's question is a good one, right, right, and I say, okay, got it.
4:43
Eldar: Everyone just takes information at face value and never gets to the truth of things, right?
4:48
Eldar: So if Joe was here since you know you kind of taking Joe's side here and answering the question, I don't know we're going to go around the room and see if they feel the same way.
4:56
Eldar: Let me ask you this what is the difference between, let's just say, good marketing or AI, or the way he puts big tech, google right, he programs that in such a way to answer the questions, in such a way where they're still spitting out pretty much marketing information towards one party or the other.
5:10
Eldar: What is the difference?
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Eldar: Because, to me, before AI came about, I don't see people to be independent thinkers.
5:18
Eldar: I still think that good marketing like CNN and Fox I'm not even going to say that they're good marketers, right.
5:24
Eldar: I think that good marketing like CNN and Fox I'm not even going to say that they're good marketers, right, totally.
5:31
Harris: But it's good enough marketers to be able to sway individuals like yourself, right, who are not independent thinkers.
5:32
Harris: But I guess what a lot of people have problems with the world right, is they don't do their own research into the actual candidate.
5:39
Harris: That's what I'm saying.
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Eldar: And I think that he has a problem with the same thing.
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Eldar: Right no-transcript, when AI actually right.
6:07
Eldar: If we were to define what AI is, intelligence and if it's meant for good, we're supposed to actually have the right information from AI, right?
6:15
Eldar: Not a biased information from CNN or Fox, which is supposed to have like almost the middle way to explain to us what the truth actually is, and I think that's what they're trying to do with AI.
6:23
Eldar: That's a different conversation.
6:28
Harris: But you know, I guess if we're talking like, if we want to talk about Fox and different shit when it comes to political shit, I guess you get the real truth.
6:34
Harris: It's when you watch the debates and they call it like the vice president's real debate.
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Harris: What was it?
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Harris: What's Camilla's VP?
6:46
Eldar: Tim.
6:46
Mike: Tim Waltz.
6:47
Harris: Yeah, tim Waltz, he was fucking called out.
6:49
Harris: Okay, he claimed he was in China during the whole thing and they fucking called him out and of course he backstepped and all this shit and admitted he fucking lied.
7:02
Harris: Okay, you know, but I guess you really have to learn from the way they talk, instead of what the news says.
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Harris: Sure, in order to get to what.
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Harris: To the truth of things To the actual knowledge.
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Harris: You need to do your research, I guess, without relying on what news says or what Google says.
7:22
Harris: But I also think a lot of the brainwash, especially for the younger demographic, comes from YouTube.
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Harris: Different shit, I was fucking attracted to the YouTube.
7:34
Harris: You knew I was fucking attracted to the influence Dude, I wanted to fucking be one.
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Harris: I'd do anything for it.
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Harris: Like, oh, my brain came up with a brilliant idea I created a new fucking jackass.
7:44
Harris: Since jackass is done, yeah, you know the influencers, we're gonna talk about that again.
7:51
Harris: Brainwashes, the fucking year I'm saying people are dying every fucking day this is what I'm saying.
7:56
Eldar: Why is joe concerned about ai if we already have?
7:59
Eldar: So many influencers so much, so many marketers, right cnn fox.
8:03
Harris: I keep reading stories how these teenagers are fucking dying on boats and shit, like one died on boats last year when he tried to, when they tried doing high speed maneuvers on a boat.
8:14
Eldar: Did you just do that in Bermuda?
8:16
Harris: You just jumped off of a speeding boat.
8:17
Harris: This was like a fast boat.
8:20
Eldar: We were going like what, 50 kilometers or something 50 miles per hour, yeah, 50 miles an hour, yeah, uh but that was nothing.
8:29
Harris: Man, I didn't jump in front of the boat to get hit.
8:31
Harris: I didn't jump out the back, I jumped off the side which we agreed which was pretty cool.
8:36
Harris: Yeah, it was it was pretty rad it was pretty, in the middle of the fucking ocean, nowhere to swim it was rad.
8:41
Harris: Yeah, it wasn't, but fuck you.
8:43
Harris: Yeah, uh, but the point is there were like fucking five teens that fucking died attempting some stupid shit.
8:50
Harris: Yeah.
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Harris: And there's more people that die every day attempting to be viral by climbing fucking buildings without fucking safety gear.
8:56
Harris: This happens even without Google.
8:58
Harris: There you go.
8:59
Harris: This has been happening since what?
9:01
Harris: The mid 2000s?
9:02
Harris: People creating content.
9:04
Harris: Why is Joe worried?
9:05
Eldar: happening since what?
9:05
Eldar: The mid 2000s people creating content.
9:06
Eldar: Why is joe worried?
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Eldar: Why is joe worried that ai is going to come and create more oppressed thinkers, the people that can't think for themselves like we do, for example, as he says?
9:13
Eldar: Why is he worried if we already are going to start taking jobs.
9:18
Harris: Who fucking knows?
9:18
Eldar: I don't know, no I think he's worried specifically about thinking free, thinking that with ai, people are no longer going to be.
9:26
Eldar: Maybe we're going to be controlled.
9:28
Eldar: Who knows?
9:29
Eldar: My pushback is we're already controlled, are?
9:32
Mike: we not?
9:32
Mike: No, I'm not sure what Joe's saying, but maybe AI is going to be even better marketing than what's been given to people.
9:40
Mike: He thinks it's going to be much more powerful.
9:42
Eldar: What's going to happen then?
9:43
Eldar: What's going to happen?
9:44
Eldar: Let me play the devil's eye.
9:48
Mike: What's going to happen?
9:48
Mike: People are going to just be stupider and dire more reckless, like Harrison.
9:51
Harris: Let's put it this way right, my dad, when he thinks about your company, he'll hear a letter from him.
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Harris: This thing's going to be extinct.
10:00
Harris: That's exactly what he said.
10:02
Eldar: Like anything else, your dad is going to be down the road.
10:05
Eldar: It's all going to be AI.
10:08
Harris: I said not really, people are going to still want legit handwritten letters.
10:12
Harris: I said you know even the fucking, you know the arms are not fucking ready yet and they fuck up.
10:19
Eldar: I think if you start telling your dad that we are in a creative marketing space, I think he'll start changing his viewpoints if he has any brain cells left in his head?
10:27
Harris: He might not.
10:28
Harris: He smokes weed every day.
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Harris: Okay, so there you go.
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Eldar: But yeah, that's why you have to use sophisticated words in order to explain to him what we're doing here.
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Eldar: We're not just sending letters.
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Eldar: It's called creative marketing.
10:46
Harris: And trust me figure out something else to do creative marketing, obviously.
10:48
Harris: There you go.
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Harris: Yeah, we're pretty good at what we do, fuck you motherfucker.
10:51
Harris: But you know, joe?
10:52
Harris: Uh, I don't know.
10:55
Eldar: I mean this is how can we help, joe?
10:56
Eldar: Can we you understand the problem um he's upset?
11:03
Eldar: Maybe he's angry, he's frustrated or maybe he's worried.
11:07
Toliy: I mean he just might be worried about, like, a world that doesn't sound so good to him he's saying that, so it's getting closer and closer to having full control of us.
11:17
Eldar: Oh boy, yeah, but like soon through AI, ai will be our enemy, like Terminator, bro, yeah.
11:23
Toliy: I think that, like, look, there's two things that I think about this One there is already pretty much full control of everyone's lives based on, like you know, marketing, TV influencers, celebrities like internet commercials, ads, everywhere, right, so like Peer pressure, yeah, yeah, Peer pressure.
11:49
Toliy: So I think people are already influenced in like all these different ways.
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Toliy: Now, if AI has like a better way of doing it, then it kind of just like it might actually be a good thing, because what happens is that like Speed up the process.
12:04
Toliy: Yeah, if we're still participating in life, you're people are still going to experience the same, like pains and problems.
12:11
Toliy: They might just get to them faster, which could be a good thing, right.
12:15
Toliy: But like you could be as ignorant and not thinking as you want, you're still going to either, you know, be happy or suffer, or somewhere in between, or be ignorant or kind or angry.
12:27
Toliy: These same things will still happen, right, yeah, I mean, good, marketing is supposed to be persuasive, and if you're a non-thinker which the majority of people are, right now right, it's already effective and it's going to get more effective, sure, but so what?
12:53
Toliy: So what?
12:54
Harris: Either way, you can't control.
12:57
Eldar: AI, harris, fox News and CNN has the ability to mold your mind.
13:00
Eldar: Already you already said that you're a victim of that stuff.
13:02
Harris: Yeah, but I'm going to tell you Okay, either way, if he's and they're not even good marketers.
13:07
Eldar: Man, If he's scared of AI, right.
13:08
Harris: Yeah, there's nothing you can fucking do because guess what, whatever comes, that's it.
13:12
Harris: You got to live with it.
13:13
Harris: You know People back in the day, let's talk about it right.
13:18
Harris: 60s yeah, how did you think they felt or feared the future was going to look like?
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Eldar: Yeah, like the Industrial Revolution right when they introduced all these factories and machines Factories, the gadgets.
13:32
Harris: The gadgets, yeah you know when.
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Harris: I watched a video it was like what the 70s I think it was the video Mm-hmm People were like they were talking about, like wouldn't it be awesome to just have, just have like something you wouldn't need to take out cash with, yeah, and all that shit, like, oh, it's never going to fucking happen.
13:50
Harris: You know it would be great, but it's never going to happen.
13:52
Harris: We got the fucking credit cards now, dude.
13:54
Eldar: That's it Now.
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Eldar: We don't even have credit cards.
13:56
Eldar: It's, everything is on our phones.
13:57
Eldar: Yeah, exactly.
13:58
Eldar: Yeah, I think more and more as get smarter, right, we become more all about convenience and all about comfort, right?
14:05
Eldar: Our level of comfort increases, increases, increases.
14:09
Eldar: So what, right?
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Eldar: In order for us to?
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Eldar: Then I don't have to worry about carrying keys anymore, or losing my keys, or carrying a credit card, worrying about that stuff.
14:16
Eldar: I can think about something else, like philosophy, for example, right.
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Eldar: So I think, if AI or the robots can remove some of the burdens of going shopping, mowing the lawn, doing tedious tasks, our daily tasks, I think we can then have more room, like Toli said, to speed up the process, to start thinking.
14:34
Toliy: But also if they're going to do it from a marketing standpoint.
14:39
Toliy: How many times do we see ads that are like?
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Toliy: I mean, some of them are like relevant, right, but there's a lot of them that are like so cheesy or like not relevant or completely off.
14:51
Toliy: And if AI can eliminate those and give you and like if it has actual ways to know that like, oh okay, like elders like really sore, tired, maybe we're going to suggest X, y and Z and we know this through AI.
15:02
Toliy: Help me out, yeah, like actually give things that can give you good suggestions.
15:06
Toliy: I mean I view that as a good thing.
15:10
Toliy: But if you're talking about influence on people's minds, who does he know that thinks freely Right now?
15:19
Eldar: Right now.
15:19
Eldar: Yeah, babe, I'm going to have to ask you.
15:22
Eldar: I think you've expressed worry about AI before and I think you're probably the closest person to Joe who's actually have some kind of fear or some kind of worry about AI taking over the world or oppressing us as people and stuff.
15:34
Eldar: Can you share that fear with us a little bit or expand on it?
15:37
Eldar: You can start by bringing the mic closer to your face.
15:50
Harris: I mean, I don't know much.
15:51
Harris: This is not a topic that I'm you know, I'm not familiar with, um, but there's a part of me remember we were watching I was just gonna bring up the robot, the robot.
15:56
Harris: Yeah, remember, we talked about we watched elon, it's all new and I don't understand it like fully, yeah, but like the idea of robots in our like, amongst us okay is very weird for me, okay, I I don't know how to like process that or like how weird is the smartphone in your life right now?
16:16
Toliy: not weird at all yeah um.
16:19
Toliy: How is?
16:19
Eldar: a good point.
16:20
Eldar: Is it an extension of you right?
16:22
Harris: it's like, it's like yeah right, we know exactly.
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Eldar: We go on it very naturally, organically.
16:27
Eldar: We know exactly where we want to go, what we want to see and stuff like that, right, yeah, however, to your mom, or maybe her mom right, the phones is like wait a second, this is a robot.
16:36
Eldar: Like you can do this, it can, you can see the other person in the phone.
16:39
Eldar: Right but right, we grew up with this stuff right and organically.
16:43
Eldar: We almost have this thing where it's like this is just an extension, and I think that, if we see AI as that, I think the new generation can understand AI a little bit better than we can maybe, but I think that it's going to be incorporated into our lives, just like the phones are the world changes.
16:59
Toliy: The world changes.
17:02
Eldar: This is how I feel.
17:05
Toliy: I feel like the scary part about it.
17:07
Toliy: I don't know if you remember, kat, but there was a movie on the Disney Channel a long time ago.
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Toliy: It's called Smart House.
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Toliy: Do you ever see it?
17:15
Toliy: No, there was a family like a daughter, a son and a dad.
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Toliy: Their mom died and then they were buying a house, house, and they bought a smart house and it came with like, like, like it was like a teched out at that time till to like if you could be in any room, like you could talk to the smart house, and and it and this smart house took the role of, like the mom, like, like it was like a uh, email voice, okay, and like she'd be like, oh, darling, the toast is ready, you know, yeah, okay, and she, like it, would be able to like make the toast or like remind them, like, hey, you have basketball practice, uh, tomorrow, don't forget to, you know, eat your apple or whatever.
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Eldar: yeah and then they like watches and then like this guy watching bro, it's called smart house.
18:04
Toliy: Come on, man, they ended up getting angry at it and they wanted to ban her because they started like not liking her.
18:11
Toliy: Why?
18:11
Toliy: Because they were like afraid of like like she was too invasive, too intrusive, she was being too, like intrusive and like she would like tell the dad like on the kids, like if they didn't do something and then he would punish them or like this and that.
18:29
Eldar: Yeah, smoking cigarettes in the bathroom.
18:30
Toliy: So I think that, like my point was that, like I think like robots and stuff like that sounds scary.
18:36
Toliy: If they're like going to get like in between people, maybe in like a negative way, but I feel like if they're going to remove all the things that you don't like to do, or the majority of them, right, like if they're gonna mow your lawn, if they're gonna like I don't know if they walk your dogs?
18:51
Toliy: yeah, if they could like you know, if it's if you don't want to go outside, or something, if they could walk the dogs, or if they could, like every morning, prepare food for the dogs.
18:58
Harris: Yeah, prepare food for you how the hell are the dogs gonna react to walking?
19:02
Eldar: in.
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Eldar: I think they adjust just like anything else.
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Toliy: Yeah, like any mundane task, you go to the store buy groceries.
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Toliy: They're going to bring in all the groceries.
19:12
Toliy: Put everything in the fridge, exactly where you set it.
19:15
Harris: You know what I think it comes down.
19:17
Harris: I'm thinking about it as you guys are talking about it.
19:19
Harris: You asked me about the robot thing.
19:21
Harris: I think it comes down to trust and control.
19:24
Harris: I'm not the one in control of it, you know, like for me, uh, using like fsd is not something that I'm comfortable with in my car, even though it is.
19:34
Harris: It's a huge benefit, right, for drivers, but I'm not the one in control, right?
19:42
Harris: so it makes me feel, you know, it's not me you know, oh yeah, and I think you know what, though, like it doesn't help, though that, like early on, when Tesla, you know, came out with FSD or whatever, um, like some people actually did crash, or like they you know, car steer them, like you know, in the wrong direction.
20:06
Harris: So like that for me is like that's already enough for me to like.
20:07
Harris: Okay, there is some fault in this and I will not be able to relax and totally trust this not yet hopefully, I, hopefully, I will yeah um, but it's not something I can like, you know, and then going to like I think you shouldn't like, like potential robots, right.
20:24
Harris: How can I trust that the person, the company or whoever is creating this is always going to have the right intention or has a good conscious, a good mind to create this.
20:36
Harris: You know, there's always people out there that have different intentions, you know.
20:40
Harris: So how do I know that this is being created?
20:43
Eldar: yeah, intentionally in good faith, you know yeah, like the the thing is right, um, but there's also like like with, with.
20:52
Toliy: With that argument, though, I think, though, like there's already plenty of things that you trust right now, right, blindly for example, food blindly.
20:59
Toliy: You buy vegetables, you buy fruit, you buy meat, you buy all kinds of things right, you look at the?
21:04
Eldar: yeah, do you look at the?
21:05
Eldar: What's his name?
21:06
Toliy: uh, the labels yeah, like how do you know that those farmers use best practices and there's not chemicals and everything that you're eating like?
21:13
Harris: it's uh you try to go with like the lesser evil.
21:16
Harris: Like I have, let's say, 10 supermarkets around me, I'm gonna pick the ones that I feel the most comfortable with, or like but you're not 100% sure.
21:25
Eldar: I'll never fully know.
21:25
Eldar: You're not in control of it.
21:26
Harris: Because I'm not the farmer.
21:27
Harris: Yeah, yeah.
21:29
Toliy: You're not the person growing all the tomatoes.
21:31
Toliy: Right Like everything.
21:32
Toliy: Right so like.
21:33
Harris: Yeah.
21:34
Toliy: You do that, and I'm sure there was a point also maybe a while ago, where people are like, no, I'm only going to eat what I kill.
21:41
Toliy: Right, like that's it, someone hands you something, like you can't trust that, and then, like you know, slowly over time, that's right.
21:47
Toliy: There's just like a proof system, too right.
21:50
Toliy: Many people are doing it.
21:51
Toliy: Yeah, like if FSD is out and it's just like it's flawless, like it's amazing.
21:57
Toliy: And people are now to the point where, like you can turn like your seat and like look at the people and look in the back of the car and just like um, do whatever right, just just like chill and hang out.
22:14
Toliy: There's gonna be a point where, like you're not gonna want to drive the car, it's gonna be like silly, almost um to do that, because you have an alternative that is much better and I think, like, yeah, like you'll be the person that's wearing a covid mask in the car without any people in it.
22:24
Toliy: Yeah, yeah, that's how it's going to look, yeah.
22:26
Eldar: Yeah, you've seen those people.
22:29
Harris: Well, yeah, I see them everywhere.
22:30
Eldar: What totally is saying is that with the progress right, sooner or later it's going to be so proven out that Catherine will have no worries anymore.
22:37
Eldar: Right, statistically proven FSD is so safe that if she's still driving the car she's an idiot.
22:42
Toliy: Yeah, like how do you know?
22:43
Harris: It's not even going to be a fucking driver's seat dude.
22:45
Harris: Thank you, Exactly.
22:47
Toliy: When you Google like the location of something and you drive there like how do you actually know it's there?
22:52
Toliy: Yeah, that's a good point, like if they say that like, hey, drive here and you'll get to this place.
22:57
Toliy: Yeah, you know that because you've done it already many times, right, but maybe tell somebody back in the day what do you mean?
23:09
Toliy: People still use MapQuest and shit right or whatever the maps that they you know what's cool, like that.
23:12
Toliy: Or like hey, ride your horse and to like the library and like take out some scroll or something Right that has like this information.
23:18
Toliy: It's only there and if you want to access it again you have to go back like two hours again.
23:22
Mike: They're proven, proven, proven.
23:23
Toliy: Now you could just go on the phone.
23:24
Toliy: You trust that like what you Google will be, I guess, like somewhat correct, right, and then like it.
23:29
Toliy: Yeah, it becomes normalized too if we just have robots walking around and like are you kidding?
23:35
Toliy: Me you know doing something.
23:36
Toliy: It definitely sounds outlandish now.
23:38
Toliy: It does, but like anything that we have now back in the day was outlandish and we're, and we have it now.
23:45
Eldar: I get just a self-driving car, or a robot, a vacuum robot me and mike.
23:49
Eldar: We're about to put on the robot vacuum.
23:52
Eldar: To hook us up here, however, mike had to pick up the shit from the floor.
23:56
Eldar: Mike was that tedious and fucking inconvenient to do.
24:00
Mike: I mean, compared to neither of you I could say sure, but instead if you had a robot right, tell the robot to go get it.
24:07
Eldar: Go get it If you have the robot right, go get it and do this right.
24:21
Mike: That he's gonna pick up everything from the floor and the other thing is gonna go and vacuum everything.
24:23
Mike: Like are you kidding me?
24:24
Eldar: yeah, yeah, but that's that's convenient for like, yeah, the thing is the other side of it is like um, we do a lot of stuff to stay busy, yes, and that's a good.
24:28
Eldar: That's a good point that you mentioned this yeah yeah, I think that I think that this is very good topic.
24:33
Eldar: The truth of the matter is what's happening?
24:36
Eldar: Right think is that intrusiveness that the robots can provide us and the AI can alleviate us from, it's going to force us to meditate.
24:46
Mike: Well, yeah, and nobody's trying to meditate when the first robot thing, came out and I don't know if Elon said it or I felt like he was trying to allude to it.
24:54
Mike: Said it or I felt like he was trying to allude to it?
24:55
Mike: It's like it provides so much free time to actually think and focus on development.
25:01
Mike: Do the thing that you want to do, that you think is fun.
25:03
Mike: It's like you don't have to wash the dishes or whatever All that stuff that we probably prefer not to do if we didn't have to.
25:12
Harris: But the question is can that robot turn on you?
25:15
Harris: What does it mean turn on you?
25:19
Harris: What does it mean turn on you?
25:20
Harris: Can a robot attack?
25:24
Eldar: How's the robot program?
25:25
Eldar: I think, at the end of the day, I think that's what the question's going to be How's it program?
25:30
Mike: Why People can't turn an attack on you.
25:32
Mike: Yeah, they can turn an attack on you.
25:34
Harris: So what do you do against that?
25:35
Harris: Is the software such, you know extremely well, built that one day, this fantastic robot, you know?
25:47
Mike: but are humans extremely well built.
25:49
Harris: You know, like you know the tesla you kill a fucking robot, the tesla self-driving thing you know the tesla, not even the self-driving, the driving.
25:58
Mike: When they did the study, it was like 10 times more safe than a human.
26:02
Mike: Yeah, already.
26:02
Mike: Already this was like you know, 10 years ago, whatever 5 years ago, you understand so that robot has proven that it's better than a human Right In that department.
26:13
Harris: My dad will insist like don't use the auto.
26:15
Harris: Yeah, I know, but I laughed at this because my dad's like don't use the autopilot.
26:20
Harris: You know, someone can hack into your system and take control of the fucking car.
26:24
Harris: Yeah, that's the new thing going on online, is it?
26:27
Harris: They're hacking it.
26:28
Harris: You know, people like trying to, I mean he's watching too many movies.
26:33
Harris: You know what I'm saying.
26:35
Harris: I watched a fucking ncis episode where that's exactly where it happened.
26:38
Eldar: Someone hacked the system out of millions of people.
26:40
Eldar: Out of millions of people.
26:42
Eldar: They're gonna hack your specific car to make sure that you crash it to the wall.
26:46
Harris: They're gonna just hack every entire tesla fucking on the fleet yeah, so here's also.
26:51
Harris: You know, um like the good that has come with the internet, there's also a lot of misinformation well yeah, that what he said.
26:58
Harris: I've seen videos on that people are actually talking about, but those losing full control of your, you know yeah, so my dad believes something like north korea or something sort of like what toyota?
27:10
Eldar: had with their brake system right when they're trying to brake.
27:12
Eldar: But the car kept speeding up, yeah, but he, he believes.
27:14
Harris: Oh, that did happen oh, look at that he believes did it happen with, uh, yeah, with toyota yeah, that's what my dad believes he goes.
27:20
Harris: It's gonna be just like he goes.
27:22
Harris: We need to learn because a lot of movies, the facts become true and he goes.
27:27
Harris: I mean the fiction, yeah, so the norm he goes like north korea, like they have a hacker system.
27:33
Harris: What's to say they're not gonna hack into every fuck the tesla's database?
27:36
Harris: Take control, all the autopilots that's currently on and just fucking turn the wheel all the way to the fucking left and run you off the road.
27:44
Eldar: I'm like why don't they just hack the grid and turn the whole lights off then?
27:47
Eldar: My dad believes it's going to become why don't they hack all our computers and then make them blow up while we're sitting at the desk?
27:54
Harris: because my dad and sister, you're not driving a car, you're driving a computer.
27:58
Harris: It's a fucking computer.
27:59
Mike: The thing is the person who has those theories.
28:02
Mike: I think it's probably been going on the same thing for generations, when there was monumental shifts for technology, for humankind, like development of the car, I don't know.
28:19
Harris: Yeah, switching from horse and buggy?
28:20
Harris: Yeah, a car.
28:20
Mike: There was like uh then when, when the stuff would like the factories, right, when they started removing people from factories and letting the machines run it, right, people, again people were scared of change, right?
28:30
Mike: Yeah?
28:30
Mike: So the question to me seems like why are the people who are scared of change?
28:34
Mike: Um, I'm scared of it.
28:37
Mike: I'm scared of it because you know, like um, it doesn't seem possible it doesn't seem like it's that bad, you know, and I think the change is moving towards a more comfortable lifestyle, right?
28:51
Mike: Well, yeah, I think I think it's progress it's right?
28:54
Mike: I'm not sure.
28:55
Eldar: I'm not sure if the creators of AI or the car right they had this malicious intent like, look, let's create all these cars and then one day take over them and just crash them into the wall and kill everybody.
29:05
Eldar: I don't think they're sitting there thinking this way.
29:07
Eldar: You know what I mean I don't.
29:08
Toliy: I think we're watching too many movies.
29:10
Toliy: Yeah, you know, like Exactly what if you're driving a regular car and you get hit by a bus, you probably shouldn't drive.
29:17
Harris: Do you guys know?
29:18
Harris: Can I add on to that real quick?
29:20
Harris: I actually saw you know how I like my crime junkie stuff.
29:23
Harris: I was watching it's called Confession Tapes and they locked up this man.
29:31
Harris: He was in his car, he was by a lake river, somebody of water and he has his kids in his car.
29:38
Harris: He was by a lake river, somebody of water and he has his kids in his car and instead of braking or reversing somehow, his, his car just like steps on the pedal and just goes.
29:47
Harris: He's able to save himself.
29:49
Harris: I think his wife gets out.
29:51
Harris: The kids did not survive.
29:52
Harris: Um, um the like, the police force him into a confession, they record it and like, with that confession, they lock him up and it's later discovered that, um, the cars are getting recalled because they're having an issue with uh yeah that thing that you just mentioned and he falsely confessed.
30:13
Harris: because of the pressure and because he's like you know, they broke him psychologically so badly so badly that you know he's paying for a crime that he never committed.
30:21
Harris: It was his car and this is like a regular gas car.
30:23
Harris: This is not even like a modern car.
30:24
Harris: But like look at how someone's life changed.
30:27
Harris: Yeah, but that's a regular Because of a moment of, you know, technical issue yeah, exactly, and that's.
30:33
Eldar: I think that happens all the time, Like I think that happens all the time, like Mike said.
30:36
Mike: Yeah, it can happen.
30:36
Mike: The stories that happen.
30:37
Mike: One in a billion people always want to say oh, yeah, that's going to be for everybody.
30:41
Mike: All the Teslas are going to crash because they're electric, they're self-driving, they're all going to blow up.
30:45
Mike: But if you look at the percentages.
30:53
Harris: they're so small compared to and I think things get so blown out of proportion now with things online or news.
31:00
Harris: They like to really glorify things, or fear monger, you know, because that kind of appeals more to people.
31:07
Harris: So it's like instilling fear about different things.
31:11
Toliy: It gets some attention, it gets some views, yeah that and on, like a lot of um subjects like fear is a a uh very good uh tool to get people to buy things right yeah like if they overblow something and then, like they like will make you like afraid of something.
31:31
Toliy: People spend money out of fear on their like like on whatever it is.
31:35
Toliy: So it's a a very yeah.
31:36
Toliy: Fear is a very good marketing tool, especially to make, to make you buy.
31:42
Harris: Even even just to capture your attention.
31:44
Harris: If I'm trying to tell you something, typically through making you fearful or scared, or like doing something shock, like shocking.
31:52
Toliy: You pay extra attention.
31:53
Toliy: Yeah, yeah definitely.
31:55
Mike: Is it because like?
31:56
Mike: Why?
31:57
Eldar: do you think joe is uh kind of maybe you know, have this concern or have this fear?
32:01
Eldar: Oh, it's a genuine concern, right?
32:04
Harris: he's like hey, look what's going on here like he's a new parent.
32:06
Mike: Maybe he's thinking about his son growing up yeah, like I was thinking, I'm not sure if it relates to him, but I like this thing about fear and change.
32:14
Mike: Maybe it's not like understanding that change is a normal part of life.
32:22
Eldar: It's almost inevitable, it's inevitable.
32:24
Mike: If you're not changing right, then you're not progressing, or you could be I don't know whatever the opposite, digressing, I don't know.
32:31
Mike: You could be going backwards like Harris is most of the time, fuck you bro.
32:36
Mike: Going backwards like, uh, harris is most of the time, fuck you bro.
32:38
Mike: Okay, I mean so.
32:39
Mike: So I'm saying maybe he is scared of the change because he hasn't maybe thought about that life is change, like it's constantly changing, evolving, moving forward and this is just part of it, right, it's just just because we didn't foresee it.
32:53
Eldar: Let's just say, right, just like our parents maybe didn't foresee a cell phone that that has the ability to see one another right, they used to do mail, right, that took a week to get there, right, that's how they used to communicate.
33:03
Eldar: Let's just say, and now we have these smartphones, they didn't foresee that.
33:06
Eldar: So that type of change is like, oh my God, so scary.
33:08
Eldar: We don't understand this.
33:08
Eldar: How do you work this thing me?
33:18
Eldar: This show me that, yeah, and they slowly adapt, adapt to it.
33:20
Eldar: Right, and same thing will happen, probably to joe's son, right, who's gonna be a lot more intuitive when it comes to uh, ai and all these new technology.
33:26
Eldar: He's gonna have to introduce that to joe, who's gonna be an illiterate you know what I mean.
33:31
Mike: And it goes on and on.
33:32
Mike: This is a regular progression.
33:34
Mike: It's a regular progression because every generation there's yeah, sounds like to me there's huge leaps.
33:39
Mike: Yeah, you know, and that's part of the thing.
33:41
Mike: Yeah, of humanity, there's always leaps.
33:44
Eldar: In a thousand years, AI would have been the horse.
33:47
Harris: Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately, we all are going to experience the fucking shit our ancestors did.
33:58
Mike: Fortunately, or unfortunately.
33:59
Mike: What exactly is that?
34:00
Eldar: What are you saying, bro?
34:01
Eldar: What do you mean, bro?
34:02
Eldar: You can't say such an outlandish statement without expanding on it.
34:08
Harris: So all of our family members right back in the day, like who.
34:11
Eldar: How far back in the day.
34:12
Harris: Whatever our ancestors right.
34:14
Harris: They probably all had fear as things developed in the world.
34:18
Harris: Sure, unfortunately, you know.
34:19
Harris: It just so happens that, you know, you hear your parents say you know, I missed some days back in the day, you know, before all this shit, and I used to say to my dad right, like when it comes to our music, my kids, when I have kids, are probably going to say damn, that's some old, fucking crap.
34:36
Harris: You know, know, we all experience everything.
34:37
Harris: Yeah, our family did, you know.
34:40
Eldar: So why do you say it's unfortunate?
34:41
Eldar: I mean, to me it sounds more like Fortunately.
34:45
Eldar: Yeah, I think it's fortunately because, actually, if you're saying that I can foresee the future in such a way that you're talking about I can prepare for it and then I can have a more more comfortable experience with that, like Mike said, if I have the ability to see change for change that it is, then what the fuck do I have to worry about?
35:00
Eldar: So why the fuck is Joe worried?
35:03
Eldar: Well, that's the question Well, yeah.
35:07
Toliy: To me at least, is that maybe he's not as empowered as he needs to be.
35:17
Toliy: I guess.
35:18
Eldar: Which part of him is not empowered, that he feels almost fear or anger towards this progression.
35:24
Toliy: That there will be outside forces controlling particular parts of his or his family's or friend's lives that he won't have control over but will be kind of forced into something.
35:41
Eldar: Well, he mentioned free thinking and stuff like that, that he thinks that AI is going to take over and oppress all the people from free thinking.
35:48
Eldar: But again we talked about the fact that right now, without AI, everyone is already oppressed.
35:53
Toliy: Does he believe that there's free?
35:54
Eldar: thinking now Very small.
35:56
Eldar: He said like us, he mentioned us, Like hey, you guys are very small.
36:00
Toliy: Okay.
36:02
Eldar: Yeah, that's my argument and that's my pushback, joe, that you know.
36:05
Eldar: Actually, before AI, everybody is brainwashed already.
36:08
Eldar: I mean Socrates 2,000 years ago, jesus, buddha, you know, you name all the teachers and stuff.
36:13
Eldar: I guess he's seeing it as, like ai is only gonna make it worse or keep like you know, push us even more into well then we have to actually define what ai is yeah, no, I see, based on how we defining and based on what we're foreseeing, I think that ai is actually going to speed up this process of giving us the ability to actually think and stop tinkering with the stupid shit.
36:34
Eldar: Sooner or later, we haveer or later we have to face our fears, we have to face our anxiety and all the demons that we have, because AI has taken care.
36:41
Eldar: It's going to be the age of abundance, like Elon Musk says.
36:43
Eldar: All right, no longer will you have to spend time on mundane shit that is irrelevant.
36:49
Toliy: You're going to have to sit down and figure out how to have free time absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yeah, like the way, the way yeah, he used that exact word, like, like um, it'll be the age of like abundance, like not having enough workers for this or that or like that, that.
37:12
Toliy: That that's never going to be a thing, right?
37:14
Toliy: But the issue is that for the people that don't think, or the people that have very mundane jobs, they are definitely going to be replaced.
37:24
Harris: I think it's definitely going to benefit some.
37:28
Eldar: Which is a natural selection.
37:29
Eldar: We no longer need typewriters.
37:33
Eldar: The people that used to typewrite we don't need that anymore.
37:36
Eldar: Or the people that made CDs we don't need that anymore.
37:38
Eldar: Or the people that made CDs right, we don't have CDs anymore.
37:40
Harris: Remember CD burning, yeah CD burning right.
37:45
Eldar: Those people evolved to create something else right Something else, and it keeps going and going and going.
37:50
Eldar: That's part of evolution Progression of life.
37:52
Eldar: What is wrong with that?
37:54
Eldar: You know what I'm saying.
37:57
Eldar: What are we talking about, harris?
38:01
Eldar: Are we saying anything?
38:02
Eldar: Are we helping Joe here or are we sending him back?
38:05
Eldar: I don't know if we can help him.
38:07
Eldar: Did we help you?
38:08
Eldar: Because it seems like you had the same opinion in the beginning.
38:11
Harris: Yeah, I did you did you know?
38:13
Eldar: Are you looking forward to the robots and AI now, since we're talking about?
38:16
Harris: I already told you I was looking forward to.
38:17
Harris: I told you we had to get one in the office, harris Harris did your opinion change from when we started the conversation?
38:24
Harris: I mean, all I thought was you know my opinion on the news and shit like that.
38:32
Eldar: I have not seen a bigger smile on Harris's face from ear to ear babe.
38:34
Eldar: I've seen a bigger smile on Harris's face from ear to ear babe today when we were in the parking lot and Mike showed him how to do self-parking and when the car parked itself.
38:43
Harris: Yo, it's simple, dude, it takes shit off you.
38:45
Harris: I might win this free trial.
38:47
Harris: Oh, is this the free trial?
38:49
Harris: I hate, yes, yes, all of a sudden I get in my car this morning.
38:52
Harris: It says your self-drive has been upgraded.
38:55
Harris: Go to settings to look, and I didn't want to click the fully self-drive thing because I thought if I clicked it automatically it was going to charge it to the fucking account.
39:03
Harris: I was like no.
39:06
Eldar: But today, when he experienced it today in the parking lot where the car parked itself, he was cheesing, the smiles was ear to ear.
39:13
Harris: Yeah, bro, because it's like you're in the car and it's fucking doing it, you see.
39:17
Harris: I'm looking forward to trying that out.
39:19
Eldar: You understand, I will be cautiously.
39:21
Harris: You go to the gym, babe.
39:22
Eldar: Me and Mike went to the gym.
39:23
Eldar: We parked the car.
39:24
Eldar: We're in the front, Raining or not.
39:26
Eldar: You click it, the car comes to you.
39:32
Harris: I'm about to.
39:33
Harris: You did it, we did it.
39:33
Harris: No way, I'm about to.
39:34
Eldar: No problem.
39:35
Harris: It was around the corner and everything.
39:36
Harris: Oh wait, so you summoned it.
39:39
Eldar: I summoned it.
39:39
Eldar: I want this.
39:40
Eldar: Are you kidding?
39:41
Eldar: I want to get in my car in the backseat and not drive.
39:45
Harris: I'm about to experience the full self drive.
39:48
Harris: I'm going to do it at home and see what happens.
39:50
Eldar: Okay, just remember to take off the camera thing, otherwise it's not going to be allowed.
39:55
Eldar: Seriously, yeah.
39:58
Harris: It wants to make sure that you pay attention to the door.
40:00
Harris: I took it off the other day because I left the dogs in dog mode and I wanted to see them to look at them, and I couldn't because I had that damn thing there.
40:08
Harris: So I peeled it off because I want to be able to see them.
40:11
Harris: Yeah, I have to take it off to fully.
40:13
Harris: That's kind of fucked up.
40:15
Harris: I think it, to me it's or use it as his intentions like.
40:18
Harris: Pay attention, you know, at least for the first two times, right now it is, it's again.
40:23
Eldar: You right now, we right now using it we're helping them right to create something that's going to be one day, unsupervised.
40:29
Eldar: We are in this demo stage of full self-driving, you understand, and it wants to be safe.
40:36
Eldar: That's why the camera is there.
40:38
Eldar: There's a reason for it.
40:40
Harris: And it can't detect.
40:41
Harris: We got to cover it up, man.
40:42
Eldar: Oh it can.
40:43
Eldar: It'll tell you, we cannot do this until you open it.
40:46
Eldar: One day it'll be unsupervised, so you'll be happy.
40:50
Eldar: So what are we saying?
40:52
Eldar: I was thinking Can we help Joe, mike or no.
40:55
Mike: I think it's, you know, like the position of being scared of change.
41:02
Eldar: Is that?
41:02
Mike: what it is.
41:02
Mike: No, that's not.
41:04
Mike: That's just a manifestation of the underlying thing.
41:07
Mike: What is that Lack of empowerment?
41:10
Mike: The way I'll explain it right.
41:16
Harris: Or feeling like you're losing control over certain.
41:20
Mike: Yeah, some aspect Like lack of empowerment, in the sense, right, I don't know like I try to piece it together, like the way I'm understanding it there's things that are obviously out of our control, right, certain things out of our control, right, you know.
41:40
Mike: And then there's things that are within our control, okay, and in those areas that we do have control, we should feel empowered, right, and the areas that we don't, we should be able to accept right, like the current situation, for example, right now, like George I mean George Bush is the president, for example right, whoever is the president now, what's his name?
42:07
Harris: What the fuck Sleepy Joe man.
42:09
Mike: Sleepy Joe is the president right now.
42:11
Mike: What he's going to do right now I'm not sure how much influence I have on him making the right decision, ethically, morally good for everybody, which is also probably impossible to be good for everybody.
42:27
Mike: The way that people currently are, it's out of my control and I'm not upset about it.
42:32
Mike: I have no feelings about it.
42:34
Mike: This is the situation and I accept it.
42:36
Mike: But where I feel empowered is in my day-to-day life, where I can't actually make things better my relationship, my friends, my family, you know the people that I interact with, uh, daily.
42:47
Mike: I feel empowered in that that I can make those changes right and to improve the quality of my life.
42:54
Mike: And I know that, like I believe that and I try to focus on that.
43:01
Mike: Okay, right, and I'd let go of the stuff that's not in my control, okay Right, but ultimately my focus and I think the focus should be is the empowerment of control of your own, your own life.
43:18
Mike: Right, and then you're not scared of change, especially change that exists outside of, outside of your, your world, because it's happening without your input.
43:30
Mike: Right, like, what are you going to do?
43:32
Mike: You're going to storm the capital and like, make Joe do certain things.
43:35
Mike: No, you're not going to do that.
43:37
Mike: I mean you could some people not going to do that.
43:38
Mike: I mean you could Some people do, some people do but it doesn't seem like they got very far with that.
43:42
Mike: I think they're in jail right now, bro.
43:43
Eldar: I think they're in jail right now.
43:45
Eldar: Your people are in jail right now, bro.
43:48
Harris: I didn't ever storm the fucking Capitol.
43:50
Harris: First of all, your people did.
43:52
Toliy: You would have if they were able to.
43:54
Toliy: What are you talking about, bro?
43:55
Harris: If you were able to wake up on time bro, you would have win, bro, I would not have gone.
43:59
Harris: Dude, I'm not that fucking stupid.
44:01
Eldar: All right, fine.
44:01
Eldar: What do you mean?
44:03
Eldar: They're fighting for the country.
44:03
Harris: No, Storming the fucking Capitol is a dumb idea because it's bound.
44:07
Harris: You're going to fucking jail, I mean.
44:18
Harris: And then the people that took the seal?
44:18
Harris: Yeah, they took a fucking shit mean shit on her fucking desk.
44:20
Eldar: Somebody was brewing it for a few.
44:21
Eldar: Yeah.
44:21
Eldar: So, mike, finish your thought.
44:21
Mike: I think you definitely onto something here so my thought is that, yeah, if you're, if you have empowerment right of your and you feel empowered about the direction of your life and the life that you're sharing with the people around you, you got no time to fucking you don't have time for change, but but if you're not empowered, you're going to be scared of change.
44:36
Harris: Don't have time for change but?
44:37
Mike: but if you're not empowered, you're going to be scared of change, because it's like the world is changing but you have no input.
44:42
Mike: And that's what ai is for for the person.
44:45
Mike: Yeah, is that?
44:46
Mike: Hey, ai is going to change yeah, and I have.
44:49
Mike: I can't do anything about it oh my god, you're right about that.
44:51
Mike: But if you wow, if you realize that you know joe's favorite, one of joe's favorite lines is.
44:57
Mike: Mickey Mantle's not going to pay your rent.
45:00
Mike: Damn, he forgot that movie and he forgot that line, but this is the same exact thing.
45:03
Mike: Ai is not going to pay your rent.
45:04
Mike: Your rent is your responsibility or your ability to change your life.
45:09
Eldar: But what if he was here and said that, no, it actually will affect me.
45:12
Eldar: You know what I mean.
45:13
Eldar: There's going to be big changes.
45:14
Eldar: That's going to affect me, directly affect me.
45:16
Eldar: What do you say?
45:17
Mike: to that um, how?
45:18
Mike: So?
45:18
Mike: Well, in 15 years ago when, when uber came out, every, every single person who was in limo business said yo, that's it, man, limo business dead, you guys are fucking done.
45:31
Mike: My uncles all said yeah, yeah, you guys like you're talking limo business, are you guys stupid?
45:35
Mike: Uber's coming out, it's done.
45:37
Mike: And what happened?
45:38
Mike: Yeah, technology came out, revolutionized everything, but everybody's still there.
45:44
Mike: There's still room for everyone.
45:45
Mike: There's still room for everybody and the same thing is going.
45:52
Mike: People need it.
45:53
Mike: Home Depot still has a fucking key dedicated area.
45:55
Mike: Yeah, you understand.
45:56
Mike: That means people are still buying the shit.
45:58
Mike: Yeah, there's people who still don't use Apple Pay or cell phones.
46:00
Mike: They like cash.
46:01
Mike: Yeah, those people didn't want to change.
46:03
Mike: But there's a market for everyone.
46:05
Mike: There's a market.
46:05
Mike: Not everybody has to go for AI, but the people who are scared they won't go for it.
46:11
Mike: Well, I mean, there's room for everyone.
46:15
Eldar: There's room for everybody.
46:16
Eldar: Yeah, harris yeah.
46:18
Harris: Let's put it in Tully's words right, there's a train.
46:21
Mike: Uh, oh, there's a train there is a fucking train, either you get on board yeah, or you get left behind or you get left behind.
46:29
Eldar: Joe might want to be left behind, right there's a train is.
46:34
Eldar: Joe gonna get left behind, harris or no?
46:35
Eldar: Are we to take him with us?
46:37
Harris: I mean, I don't think we can force someone to get on the train, man Well listen.
46:41
Eldar: If we give him good enough reasons, maybe he'll be like you know what?
46:43
Eldar: Yeah, you guys might be right.
46:44
Harris: The way he's talking, I think he has a long road before he Wow yeah.
46:48
Harris: It's the thing of like, I think we might have to buy one of these robots and send them his way bro.
46:56
Mike: Yeah, it's that complaint of like the world is happening to me you know yeah.
47:01
Mike: It's like why is this happening to me?
47:03
Mike: We just talked about that with you.
47:04
Eldar: Remember earlier that no longer are you, though, in that powerless mode where you can't influence the world anymore.
47:11
Eldar: You're the one now is trying to do that.
47:13
Eldar: I think that's a good segue because, mike, you touched on politics and Joe's next thing that he wanted to talk about was my stance.
47:25
Eldar: He's like hey, when are you going to say something where you stand on?
47:27
Eldar: When it comes to politics, he goes, you're picking and prodding, let's hear your take.
47:33
Harris: That's interesting because you don't really take sides like you kind of just swim unbiasedly the things.
47:41
Toliy: I think Eldar can make a lot of people upset because he doesn't like.
47:44
Toliy: He may not choose a side, but he will laugh at all sides that's correct, that could possibly insult or infuriate someone who is on one side or the other, and I obviously I have my reasons as to why I do what.
47:59
Harris: I do, Especially if it's politics, really yeah, like if you have someone you can get very emotional yeah like if you have something that someone's like bashing constantly right, like you're going to get upset Eventually.
48:09
Eldar: Absolutely, of course, but yeah, but you know he obviously feels a certain type of way about it and he's like hey, let's put that.
48:17
Eldar: He even mentioned that.
48:18
Eldar: He said reverse the gun on you, you're all about my politics or concerns.
48:24
Eldar: You have a lot to weigh in on, right, where are you in this hemisphere?
48:27
Eldar: I'm like in political hemisphere.
48:29
Eldar: He's like sure you can start there if you'd like.
48:30
Eldar: I'm like okay, you're very active in memes and clips and stuff.
48:34
Harris: He memes and clips and stuff.
48:35
Harris: He's basically telling you, like you don't shut up.
48:40
Eldar: Yeah, and I promised him that I would tell him my take on the whole thing.
48:41
Harris: You ain't got shit, man, you ain't bought them for anybody you know.
48:45
Harris: I can personally relate to, in a sense like how, joe's feeling.
48:49
Eldar: Yeah.
48:50
Eldar: Before I felt that way.
48:52
Eldar: I remember yeah.
48:54
Harris: I thought okay, if you know, back when I was, you know I was very bothered by Trump.
48:59
Eldar: Yeah, the first, the first one.
49:01
Eldar: I was laughing at the whole thing.
49:02
Eldar: Yeah, I enjoyed laughing.
49:04
Harris: You know the memes this and that.
49:07
Eldar: And at one point I was like are you pro this guy?
49:10
Harris: Like what's going on with you?
49:12
Eldar: Yeah.
49:13
Harris: And you were like I'm not.
49:17
Toliy: But I'm like yeah, but you're up his ass.
49:18
Toliy: There's absolutely no doubt about it that he's extremely funny and entertaining.
49:22
Harris: No, but now that I have, you know, I've empowered myself.
49:27
Harris: I, you know, I basically the attachment that I had towards that wasn't, it wasn't beneficial to me at all.
49:35
Harris: I realized just for me personally.
49:37
Harris: Yeah.
49:37
Harris: And I, you know, I just I've had, I've had some growing in, you know, the last few years or whatever, and I now almost I'm on, I'm in your Elderism, how would I call it Like?
49:50
Harris: I'm in that pool in that camp, yeah, and now I can kind of just listen to it and not get affected by it and get emotional like I did and get so invested and, at the end of the day, like no matter who is president, like I'm going to do me, like I'm still going to do me.
50:07
Eldar: But do you realize you were brainwashed by elderism, or not?
50:17
Toliy: Okay, yes, for example, my mom.
50:19
Toliy: Oh, one thing I want to say before that was that, like Trump and his antics and stuff like that, like that's going to exist no matter what, regardless of how we feel about it.
50:30
Eldar: Yeah.
50:30
Toliy: And regardless of like how we take that, whether we're invested, not invested, whether we're bothered by it, not bothering it, he will exist.
50:37
Toliy: It's just a matter of like how are you going to exist?
50:40
Harris: side by side, are you?
50:41
Toliy: Yeah, are you going to laugh at it?
50:43
Toliy: Enjoy it.
50:44
Toliy: See it for what it is.
50:45
Mike: Or are you going?
50:47
Toliy: Yeah, like, yeah, and this is what I was saying.
50:49
Toliy: Like, like my mom, for example, like we both see stuff that Trump says or does.
50:54
Toliy: We both see stuff that Trump says or does Right, like for me it's like more comical and like funny Right, and for her like she has actual feelings of like yo, I fucking hate this guy.
51:03
Eldar: Yeah.
51:03
Toliy: She will even curse and like yeah.
51:08
Eldar: Like yeah, he's a fucking idiot.
51:09
Harris: I think turning it into humor might be like our way of dealing with it, so that it's not like affecting us in a negative way where we're getting upset.
51:18
Toliy: Well, like, like, yeah, to me, like he's a source of entertainment, which which is a good thing.
51:22
Toliy: Like he like it's like, like the things he does is good for me, because to me it's like, it's funny, it's entertaining, it creates stories Like you could talk about it but say was that?
51:33
Toliy: I think people don't realize how much energy it takes to like to choose a side yeah, to choose a side, oh yeah, and then to contain, to have that energy towards that side.
51:43
Toliy: That that is so well said totally because you end up not actually like living your own life and not actually doing anything.
51:50
Toliy: You just end up putting your energy all on that side.
51:53
Harris: Thank you, you just you know, wow, that's what my job.
51:55
Eldar: He just said, essentially in a nutshell what I was just trying to kind of like you know, and I'm gonna build on that right, this is extreme okay, and one thing, one, yeah, one thing, like my mom, like, doesn't like trump, doesn't like iran, doesn't like palestine doesn't like the traffic on on the highways.
52:11
Toliy: Yeah, doesn't like this, doesn't like the line at this, doesn't like this person, that person like it's a lot of, it's like so many things to have feelings towards yeah that it takes up so much energy of yours that, like it's crippling, yeah, you know and it continuously just consumes your life to be in this like in between world where you actually like not doing anything like, for example, too good or too bad.
52:33
Toliy: You're just stuck, stuck, right, yeah um instead of again just like seeing it.
52:36
Toliy: For what?
52:36
Toliy: it is and be like yo or too bad.
52:37
Toliy: You're just stuck, instead of again just seeing it for what it is and being like yo, traffic's going to happen.
52:42
Toliy: If you're going to go on Route 17 or Route 4 or the GWB at this time, it's going to happen.
52:48
Toliy: You know this.
52:49
Toliy: This is part of life.
52:49
Toliy: This is part of it.
52:50
Toliy: Corrupt politicians this is part of life.
52:55
Toliy: People using money to influence people in ways this is part of life, right?
52:57
Toliy: People using money to influence people in ways this is part of life.
52:59
Toliy: Yeah, right, these are all things.
53:01
Toliy: That's part of it, right?
53:02
Toliy: Um, but taking that that it stands, it's like.
53:05
Toliy: It's like, uh, because they're so far invested into hating something a lot or liking something a lot, right, it's very difficult to communicate with them on these kinds of subjects, totally.
53:16
Harris: I saw friendships dismantle during the pandemic, when we had the Clinton-Trump situation.
53:24
Harris: People losing friendships over this type of stuff.
53:30
Harris: This is how badly we attach ourselves.
53:34
Harris: Let me tell you.
53:35
Eldar: Let me build on that, based on what Toli said and what you're saying.
53:38
Eldar: Right, I'm watching this as an empowered individual, like Mike said, right, and these are the types of influences that are happening to individuals.
53:46
Eldar: Right, you think I'm going to participate in this?
53:49
Eldar: You think I'm going to allow some man to control the way I feel, whether or not they win or lose?
53:56
Eldar: Are you crazy?
53:57
Eldar: You're telling me I'm gonna worship someone?
54:00
Mike: it's the you're gonna.
54:02
Mike: You esteem that.
54:03
Mike: A lot of it is that people are esteeming these politicians, yeah, but they're not looking at it like.
54:09
Mike: These guys are just as fucking crooked.
54:11
Mike: Are you crazy?
54:12
Mike: Yeah, they got no more.
54:14
Eldar: I am I'm telling you, based on what I'm doing here, I am the most patriotic and I'm the most political individual, because number one 2050 is for real.
54:23
Harris: We're going to raise Harris to be the president of the United States In 2050, we're going to have a new political party.
54:28
Eldar: That's right Shall we share it yeah.
54:30
Harris: It's going to be called the Eldorism Party.
54:32
Harris: That's right.
54:33
Harris: Okay, but wait, finish your thought.
54:35
Eldar: What I'm saying is that I am thinking about certain things, but I'm thinking it through my way of thinking, right, I'm not allowing them to oppress me, to create a division line between my friends, my family and all this other stuff, right To then be pigeonholed into a very specific pattern of thinking, like Tony just described.
54:53
Eldar: His mom is on there right.
54:54
Eldar: She's under a spell.
55:03
Harris: And most of these individuals who are into this political fucking theater.
55:05
Eldar: They're under a spell, and they're not a show, it's a show.
55:06
Eldar: Yeah, and they're being used and puppeteered.
55:07
Eldar: Yeah, I am not based on everything that I've found out about life, about philosophy, how to live and be empowered.
55:13
Eldar: I cannot allow myself to be in this fucking saga.
55:16
Eldar: I I have to create my own saga and that's what we're going to do.
55:19
Eldar: We are creating it right now.
55:21
Toliy: Yeah, by having this podcast.
55:22
Toliy: One thing that people like share and I know this through my own experience when they're like fearful of something or like they have a particular thing, when they share it with you and you don't feel that same sentiment there.
55:37
Toliy: When they share it with you and you don't feel that same sentiment there's an automatic offense.
55:41
Toliy: I'm a bad guy, yeah, it's personal and fear has this trait to a crazy degree.
55:48
Toliy: So if I'm anxious, and I'm anxious about something or afraid about something, and I share it with you and you're also not now saying, oh yeah, man, that is scary man, yeah, I it with you, and you're also not now like saying, oh yeah, man, that is scary man, like, yeah, I agree with you.
55:59
Toliy: Like you know, if this is not how you're talking to me, but you're saying, like what are you talking about man?
56:05
Toliy: Like what are you even saying right, it's an automatic.
56:09
Eldar: like there's an automatic thing where it's like I want to attack you, almost right, you're not sharing that fear, that I'm telling you like yo, look at scary, I'm not under the same spell.
56:17
Eldar: Yeah and automatically.
56:19
Eldar: And if you're not under my spell, I ain't buying it.
56:22
Eldar: I want to state something here, you understand this or no, I do.
56:26
Toliy: Okay, there's a train.
56:27
Toliy: Remember that.
56:27
Harris: There's a fucking train here.
56:28
Harris: Don't fucking throw that at me, dude.
56:32
Harris: Did you know that your vote really doesn't matter?
56:35
Harris: I'm going to state why.
56:36
Harris: I learned this from my dad.
56:39
Harris: He goes, yeah, you voting your state, but he goes.
56:42
Harris: Do you know who has control of those?
56:44
Eldar: votes.
56:44
Eldar: We do know We've done this.
56:46
Eldar: Yes, we've done our research.
56:47
Eldar: Well, no, it's actually your governor.
56:51
Harris: Your governor has it, because your governor is the one that announces to the electoral people what his state is.
56:59
Harris: The majority of yes, my dad goes.
57:00
Harris: You can vote Trump.
57:01
Harris: Everyone can vote Trump, yeah.
57:03
Harris: But at the end of the day, the governor can lie and say oh no, it's Harris, those are what my state's votes are coming through.
57:11
Harris: He goes eventually.
57:11
Harris: They'll fucking get caught.
57:13
Eldar: So yeah, harris, we do know that, and actually did you know that?
57:16
Eldar: We also did a research and found out that delegates actually don't have to take the recommendation of the governor or the people.
57:22
Eldar: Isn't that crazy.
57:22
Eldar: They can vote completely the opposite.
57:24
Eldar: It's such a Did you know that?
57:26
Harris: What do you mean?
57:27
Harris: Recommendation At the end of the day?
57:28
Harris: the governor announces who his state fucking totaled to Like if they all voted for Trump.
57:34
Harris: They can't lie.
57:36
Toliy: They can't do that, but I'm saying that like, for example, if 55% of the state votes Trump and 45% votes Harris, right, what?
57:48
Harris: the hell was that?
57:49
Toliy: look bro the governor can go the opposite way still.
57:52
Harris: The governor can still have the final say Wow, that's interesting, the delegates they call them, or the electoral college, or the electoral college.
57:55
Harris: Wow, that's interesting, the delegates, they call them, or the electoral college or the electoral college, yeah.
57:59
Eldar: They don't have like, it's not a law.
58:01
Toliy: But they get voted in because they're supposed to go.
58:04
Toliy: Yes, like a particular way.
58:05
Harris: Yes, and, at any point in time, during.
58:10
Eldar: And in history there have been changes.
58:11
Harris: Do we know who is placed in our electoral college and how they will be voting?
58:19
Eldar: I think those are anonymous.
58:19
Eldar: I don't think you're supposed to know that.
58:21
Eldar: Remember we were watching that documentary or whatever.
58:23
Harris: That's not actual public knowledge and we don't really have a say in what they end up doing.
58:29
Harris: Put me in that college room.
58:30
Harris: I'll make sure Trump wins, bro, don't you worry.
58:32
Eldar: Listen, I told you right now by 2050, you're going to be so irresistible that they will have no choice but to vote for you.
58:38
Harris: It's going to become a dictatorship.
58:40
Harris: That's right.
58:44
Eldar: I'm never leaving, not by force.
58:45
Eldar: Make sure you say that.
58:47
Harris: Not by force.
58:47
Harris: It's because everyone's going to fall in love with me.
58:49
Harris: Everyone's going to fall in love with my kids.
58:51
Harris: It's just going to stay in the family it's going to be a new royal family around here.
58:55
Eldar: Good, this is what I'm talking about.
58:57
Harris: Well, that's definitely going to get you elected, for sure.
59:01
Eldar: So yeah.
59:02
Harris: I mean, we are for the people, no more.
59:03
Harris: No more paying for college.
59:05
Harris: Yeah, the Congress will no longer have a salary.
59:08
Harris: Elder came up with this one.
59:11
Eldar: Yeah, Explain why Will no longer have a salary.
59:18
Eldar: Why?
59:18
Eldar: Because these motherfuckers are crooked dude.
59:19
Eldar: But why is it important not to have a salary?
59:20
Eldar: What do you mean?
59:20
Harris: I explained it to you earlier Ethical reasons.
59:21
Eldar: That's right, I will not have a salary.
59:23
Eldar: That's right.
59:24
Eldar: No politicians can have salary anymore, you understand, because they're going to do the service to the public.
59:29
Eldar: The most important thing is going to be the most important thing.
59:34
Eldar: I still get security they cannot get jobs after what I still get security, though, right, oh no, you get everything, everything's done for you, your house, is you good like you?
59:45
Harris: don't have to worry about I was gonna say, bro, because all your basic needs and security will be met.
59:51
Eldar: Everything is going to be met, don't worry, don't be scared.
59:53
Eldar: Besides, at that point, harris, the things that you're going to be standing on, you're going to be like a martyr.
59:58
Eldar: Even if somebody comes to kill you, you're okay to die Because you know you will die for the right cause.
1:00:02
Eldar: What the fuck?
1:00:04
Harris: man, you better have that sniper up on the fucking roof, harris you're not going to be a pussy by then.
1:00:11
Eldar: Oh my god, you know what I'm saying or no, You're not going to be a pussy Harris.
1:00:16
Harris: You're going to be ready to die on your shield.
1:00:19
Eldar: Yeah, you're going to be ready to die on your shield if you have to.
1:00:23
Harris: Hey, listen here, man, as long as it's kept in the bloodline.
1:00:26
Harris: You know what I'm saying.
1:00:27
Eldar: Okay, whatever that means, what does that?
1:00:29
Harris: mean, yeah, but what was I going to say?
1:00:34
Harris: I have certain laws that I want passed, man, and I expect them to be passed.
1:00:38
Eldar: No problem, Harris, we can take those into consideration.
1:00:40
Eldar: But I think that in 25 years, something tells me.
1:00:43
Eldar: Something tells me that you're not going to have the same demands, the same understandings.
1:00:47
Harris: Well, we're starting small Kat, you know, like a mayor fair long.
1:00:51
Eldar: Yes, we're going to start small, 100%, but the people have to get to know us first.
1:00:55
Eldar: Yeah, you know, they have to get to know you, you have to charm them.
1:00:57
Eldar: Yeah Well, Farrell knows me.
1:00:59
Eldar: Harris Harris if you think this is a joke, you have another thing coming.
1:01:03
Eldar: I'm not, you know what I'm saying Harris Harris, yeah.
1:01:06
Eldar: Yeah, so did we answer some of Joe's questions.
1:01:11
Eldar: Do you think Joe's going to need more from me?
1:01:14
Harris: I Joe's going to need more from me.
1:01:14
Harris: I think Joe's going to need a lot of help, man.
1:01:16
Eldar: Okay, fine, Before we say the help.
1:01:18
Harris: I think he definitely should have a conversation with him about this.
1:01:20
Harris: He should be here right now.
1:01:21
Harris: I invited him, but he couldn't today, next week, maybe Totally.
1:01:25
Eldar: What are some questions Joe would have for me?
1:01:27
Eldar: Play the devil's advocate.
1:01:30
Toliy: See, I think something like this is also not like a one conversation thing.
1:01:36
Toliy: Emp is also not like a like a one, like a conversation thing, right, like like empowerment.
1:01:44
Toliy: It doesn't come from just like um knowing, uh, information right, or having access information or like.
1:01:47
Eldar: Okay, like understanding it.
1:01:48
Toliy: So it is a culmination of yeah, it's coming together yeah, it's a culmination of things, but one thing that's like um, really important is that, like, when you put those things into practice and you start saying, oh wait, it is fine, right.
1:02:05
Toliy: Or like this is okay, or like yeah, wow, like that actually doesn't have any influence on my life, or like you know what, I do have control over this.
1:02:12
Toliy: Like it takes, I think, many uh, reputations, reputations of those things and many conversations to get to that point where you feel that way.
1:02:21
Toliy: But I feel that maybe a half-empowered, half-not-empowered person, I feel like they will definitely have fears for AI and politics and robots.
1:02:34
Toliy: Like, look, I think we can probably all agree on that Like certain politicians might make some like financial deals with countries or not make them right, that like will definitely affect like our economy, right, and like what things cost and stuff like that.
1:02:49
Toliy: Like that is probably something that, like, we get the biggest impact from Right.
1:02:52
Toliy: Like, maybe some people make better deals than others and stuff.
1:02:55
Toliy: Yeah, right, some people want to make particular like um programs right, but then again, like there's also like you could put a lot to place, but it needs to get passed.
1:03:05
Toliy: You need approval of a bunch of other people, right?
1:03:07
Toliy: So it's not like you're voting a dictator where it's like like.
1:03:11
Toliy: To me this goes in.
1:03:12
Toliy: A decision would be significantly, um, like a larger and like more important if you had a dictatorship where it's like, whatever one person says, that's it and nobody can check them Right.
1:03:25
Toliy: But you can say like, hey, I want to build a wall and then, if it gets voted, down.
1:03:32
Eldar: you can't do anything about that, yeah.
1:03:34
Eldar: Yeah, so I feel like that's another very good point, right yeah?
1:03:40
Toliy: And when it comes to like voting or non-voting, like I've never like voted, for example, right, like my mom always votes, for example, or my dad always votes, but like to me it's like I'm not like saying'm not like saying that like hey, like it doesn't like matter, completely right.
1:04:01
Toliy: But I'm also saying that like, first off, um, I've tuned into like several debates not not all of them, from like start, start to finish, right, but just like I I tune into them just to see, like, how people are going to approach this and what's going to and and and what they're going to say.
1:04:16
Toliy: And, um, I don't keep up with all these policies and what they're going to do and who actually does them.
1:04:23
Toliy: And then, when it comes to voting and influence, if it's not a system where it's like, okay, everybody has to do their research correctly, everybody has to get educated, yeah, and everybody needs to take this process seriously, yeah, and it can't be bought in any way, yeah, then I'd probably have to be like, all right, I need to pay attention and I really need to make this kind of decision.
1:04:48
Toliy: But like, am I going to participate in this thing of like people are voting for some people because, like they sound good, or like it's like a, it's like a raw thing, right, like like that's what you have, you have dead as a dog yeah, like you have marketing and you have influence on on both sides saying they're like yo.
1:05:07
Toliy: If they're like like, how's that possible?
1:05:09
Toliy: Like people like, one side is saying they're like yo, it'll be a travesty if this person's elected and the other side is like, oh my god, it'll be the worst thing ever for the country if this person's elected and the other side is like, oh my God, it'll be the worst thing ever for the country if this person's elected, right.
1:05:19
Toliy: And when we have presidents every like four to eight years, right, depending if they serve one or two terms and like those things that kind of I guess now never happened, but they're always the same stories every four years, right.
1:05:31
Toliy: Where it comes to like people are like.
1:05:33
Toliy: Or like the world's over if this person gets elected, or like the economy is going to crash of this person, but then, like, I mean it ends up being like relatively like the same shit, like what do you actually have that?
1:05:43
Toliy: It's like accomplished in that way.
1:05:46
Toliy: So, yeah, no, I don't want to like, vote or like go with.
1:05:52
Toliy: one side because I don't know who's going to actually do good things or do bad things, one side because I don't know who's going to actually do good things or do bad things, because I also know that, um, the track record shows that plenty of promises, no fucking results.
1:06:03
Toliy: Well, well, but I also, like I'm not naive to not know that, like hey, when somebody wants something oh yeah I say a lot of things yeah right, yeah, like uh, like uh trump was just saying like right, like he was like yeah, um, I don't know if someone, somebody posted it or where I saw it where, like they said that like tim cook called um trump from like apple ceo, yeah, yeah, and saying that like yeah, the uh europe union or whatever, trying to impose like a 15 billion dollar bill on us, like because of x, y and z violations or this and that, and trump's like yeah, no, I'm in office, I'm gonna talk with them.
1:06:41
Toliy: You know, I'm gonna take care of that.
1:06:42
Toliy: You know, like what are these things you're gonna like?
1:06:44
Toliy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:06:45
Toliy: Like when you want something, when you want to get elected on something, think about it.
1:06:49
Toliy: People want to get elected.
1:06:51
Eldar: Yeah, their whole campaign is behind convincing you that they should get elected yeah, that is why, harris, when you're going to be running, what is it going to be?
1:07:01
Eldar: It's not going to be you asking to be elected.
1:07:03
Eldar: It is going to be what it's going to be people begging you.
1:07:07
Toliy: Yeah, man yeah, it should be that.
1:07:09
Toliy: Whoever's part of that party, yeah, and if the things that they're marketing are not done, they should be exiled from ever participating in any kind of political job or anything, because they're participated in convincing people to vote for somebody that's going to do particular things.
1:07:28
Toliy: If those things are not all done, you should be exiled forever.
1:07:31
Harris: You should be executed.
1:07:32
Harris: Our slogan is not going to be make America great again.
1:07:35
Harris: It's going to be make the world great again.
1:07:37
Harris: What the fuck to be make the world great again?
1:07:39
Mike: What the?
1:07:39
Eldar: fuck man, save the world.
1:07:41
Eldar: Something tells me again.
1:07:42
Eldar: Something tells me that that statement is going to evolve as we grow older or save the world.
1:07:47
Mike: You're too premature to make any statements at this time, Mr President.
1:07:49
Eldar: No, I like it.
1:07:50
Eldar: I like it Make the world a better place.
1:08:01
Toliy: You can say them, but we're not going to keep them, probably, but it's coming from a good place.
1:08:03
Toliy: It is coming from a good place.
1:08:04
Toliy: Yeah, it's coming from a place, but it's from a place.
1:08:05
Toliy: He did say that he has been working hard.
1:08:06
Toliy: The old busier is becoming this dumb.
1:08:07
Harris: So I did not say that.
1:08:07
Harris: You fucking said that, man, I've been done.
1:08:13
Toliy: I've been done, man yeah, you worked hard to get there.
1:08:16
Toliy: Man, what are you?
1:08:17
Harris: talking about man.
1:08:17
Harris: It took a lot worked hard to get there, man.
1:08:18
Harris: What are you talking about, man?
1:08:19
Toliy: it took a lot of work to get there.
1:08:20
Toliy: Are you done?
1:08:20
Toliy: You know what?
1:08:22
Eldar: when you were speaking, when you were speaking, about the whole marketing thing and it's almost like the thing that Joe's afraid of with this politics, with this AI marketing and stuff like that he's actually suffering from.
1:08:33
Eldar: They got him Partially, yeah.
1:08:40
Toliy: You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, yeah, like he probably has some feelings that he does not feel fully free.
1:08:48
Eldar: Yeah, 100% that he is actually the oppressed one.
1:08:53
Toliy: Yeah and like yeah, naturally, if that's the case, any advancements in that make you more scared.
1:09:00
Eldar: More scared, absolutely, because they you automatically think that they, right outside of you, are going to apply that onto you More, yeah, more and more, more than like it already is Wow.
1:09:12
Mike: You're not able to differentiate for yourself what's more important, so you let those outside forces tell you what's more important, what's more important for more important.
1:09:19
Mike: And they told you that what's most important is right now.
1:09:21
Mike: Ai is about to ruin your life, so you attach to that instead of like yo, I got a kid, I got a wife, I got a job I got friends, I got this.
1:09:29
Mike: That's more important.
1:09:30
Toliy: No, no, this is more important almost any advancement technologically or life wise, like, yes, I think it's always like it can be used for good or bad's always like it can be used for good.
1:09:40
Toliy: It can be used for security, like cyber security, or it can be used for hacking.
1:09:46
Toliy: You have both, for example, things.
1:09:49
Toliy: You have one drug or something that's going to help save someone's life and then you have that same thing that's going to be abused by others.
1:09:57
Toliy: You have all these things.
1:10:00
Toliy: You have marketing that can be used to lie, scam, yeah, like cheat, right, and then you could use it for for good things, to make you aware of certain things, right, right, hey, how fresh is the food that you're eating?
1:10:12
Toliy: Right, we have this product where it's guaranteed by farmers.
1:10:14
Toliy: You hear their story, you hear their pro.
1:10:16
Toliy: Like I, I don't know.
1:10:17
Toliy: Right, like, yeah, they can do marketing to raise awareness about the products you're eating or you're buying.
1:10:22
Toliy: Right, like, um, like, I think I, I, I just saw some something online talking about the like, um, like for those candies, like for, like the, the uh nerds candies.
1:10:33
Toliy: Yeah, they, they uh, allegedly they have something in there.
1:10:37
Toliy: It's called like, I think like a carmine red or something like that, but the red is made from smashing a bunch of dead bugs that release this red chemical and it's just like strayed bugs and actually in like nerds and like a few other candies.
1:10:54
Harris: That's wild, don't eat the nerds from Halloween.
1:10:58
Harris: Man, are you going trick or treating-treating with crispy?
1:11:01
Toliy: no, yeah, like information is always going to be used for, I guess, alleged good or alleged bad.
1:11:08
Eldar: Yeah, like that, that's like a forever thing right and the thing is, yeah, and I guess I guess for me or the free thinkers, that allegedly we are right preservation of the ability to think and then not be influenced by the external world is super important, or at least of the ability to think and then not be influenced by the external world is super important, or at least have the ability to distinguish between what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's bad, you know, and then have a filter to be able to.
1:11:30
Toliy: But if you have that kind of self empowerment, I think that you have the confidence in yourself to always differentiate what's right, what's wrong, what's true, what's not.
1:11:41
Mike: Well, yeah, it's like it's that too, but also differentiate between what's actually important and what's not, because, like we hear millions advertising today, fear mongering, shit.
1:11:50
Mike: Yeah, we're like oh, this is bullshit, just laugh at it.
1:11:53
Harris: Yeah, some people can't they can, they actually have to stop and internalize it, you know.
1:11:57
Mike: but the ability to understand what actually requires your attention.
1:12:01
Mike: Not even is this right or wrong, or this is just useless information.
1:12:04
Mike: It's like it's also important.
1:12:08
Toliy: That.
1:12:08
Toliy: But I think it's also that, like it's very dependent on what environment that you're in, right, because like something could infiltrate me or you or Harris or Eldor or Kat, whoever.
1:12:19
Toliy: If we bring this out to light, it's not going to infiltrate me or you or Harris or Eldor or Kat, whoever.
1:12:21
Toliy: If we bring this out to light, it's not going to infiltrate all of us.
1:12:23
Eldar: That's right, you've said this before.
1:12:24
Toliy: It might go past me or past you.
1:12:27
Eldar: Everything goes past Harris's game.
1:12:29
Toliy: I read something and I got scared.
1:12:30
Toliy: This was happening to me when COVID first came out.
1:12:36
Toliy: It definitely infiltrated me a particular way that I did not infiltrate you guys Anytime.
1:12:42
Toliy: I would bring that stuff to light.
1:12:43
Toliy: What would you guys say?
1:12:44
Toliy: You would laugh at me or make fun of me or point particular things out, to the point where I feel like I joined that camp too, where it's like yo, we gotta live our lives.
1:12:58
Toliy: Life continues, we're gonna spend more time afraid of getting sick yeah, like afraid of getting sick rather than just like living your life and like, yeah, like if you get sick, you have to be equipped to battle it right.
1:13:13
Toliy: But yeah, like it infiltrated me but not you, but maybe something else might infiltrate you and not me that's right right so like if you also don't have that kind, like if you don't live in that kind of like a bubble ecosystem yeah right.
1:13:28
Toliy: Um, then it's also harder to like, because then, like you kind of feel alone and you have to fend for yourself and everything is solely reliant on you, and I feel like that's very hard um that's why my echo chamber owns yours, do you think?
1:13:45
Mike: do you think Joe was always like this?
1:13:46
Mike: About what like in this?
1:13:48
Mike: Uh, the political stuff and the lack of empowerment.
1:13:53
Eldar: I think the big transition started happening when he started getting into the whole fire department stuff because of what, like you know how he was wronged and stuff like that, with the whole like um, racial, what is that called?
1:14:03
Eldar: Uh, affirmative action, wow, all that stuff, yeah so oh, yeah, that was like that really hit him, you know, and then just kind of, I think that he just got into the whole like yeah political system because, like it's like I was thinking how does a person go right?
1:14:16
Mike: yeah, like I have to ask himself does I feel like joel feels like a helpless person?
1:14:20
Mike: No, I feel like, uh, from what I know joe for a long time, I would say he's probably doesn't feel like he's helpless.
1:14:26
Mike: He's like, you know, it's like those people right, like like toby was saying about all covet.
1:14:30
Mike: Now that said a dead for me.
1:14:31
Mike: I was like, okay, this is what's happening, like I gotta keep living my life yeah, regarding you know like I want to like you know run more, and I started running more, losing more weight, whatever.
1:14:40
Mike: Like you know, going to the city biking.
1:14:42
Mike: We started biking with totally right, yeah, like we're like okay, this is a situation, let's do some fun shit, because we can't do the shit that we can do.
1:14:49
Mike: Right, like, yeah, I'm like okay, no money, right, the huge thing.
1:14:52
Mike: I'm like all right.
1:14:53
Mike: So then, when the, when the money became available, government problems, like all right, so I gotta research how to get it right.
1:14:57
Mike: It's like I know whatever's gonna come to me, I'm gonna face it and I'm gonna like you know face that adversity.
1:15:03
Mike: You roll with the punches, and I thought Joe was like that too.
1:15:06
Mike: I mean, I don't know, I have to think about it more but like, if he was like that, then why did he switch?
1:15:13
Toliy: And if he wasn't, then okay.
1:15:15
Toliy: I think we shouldn't underestimate how hard is it to maintain that kind of stance on your own, on all things.
1:15:24
Mike: It's very hard.
1:15:25
Eldar: Joe, if you're listening, I think, what Tony just said.
1:15:28
Eldar: He said come home bro.
1:15:32
Toliy: If you throw any one of us in a different environment.
1:15:35
Toliy: Not that something will completely change on all, all things, but enough of it.
1:15:41
Mike: Over time it becomes very hard to maintain.
1:15:45
Toliy: You don't have this thing where you can swat every single fly that comes your way of all these things.
1:15:49
Harris: This is almost like a checkpoint you just check each other, keep each other in line and we also have different strengths on different things.
1:15:58
Toliy: Like I said, the COVID thing it definitely affected affected me a way that it did not affect them, but maybe something else is not going to affect me the way that it might affect them, for example, right and like vice versa.
1:16:10
Toliy: So it becomes like very hard for you to get swayed on something or like fundamentally change the way that you look at things in this environment.
1:16:20
Harris: Yeah, yeah.
1:16:21
Toliy: Right, like, like, if you get swayed by something, like you have three, four other people that are definitely not going to Right, so it's like, it's very hard to completely like, fall off in that kind of way, whereas if you're alone and you're the only one thinking about this or thinking in this kind of way, and you're also not like on a like, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, if, if you're not in that kind of environment, it's very difficult to to fend everything away.
1:16:49
Toliy: There's going to be things that infiltrate you and there's going to be things that affect you that you're not going to see and you're not going to understand.
1:16:55
Toliy: And if you don't have people around you that can help pick you up, or or, or, or, like, uh, remind you, then, yeah, like, you're going to get owned on particular things and change.
1:17:07
Toliy: One thing also that that is big with us is that we're, um, uh, we're frequently, on a daily basis, um, challenging each other on different things, and if you don't have people around you that challenge you, then you like, you kind of like, you're the king of like, the like, the things that you know, you make the rules, you're the executioner, you're the punisher, like, you can a little bit like like a run amok, I would say like dennis used to talk to himself, remember he's like I checked myself yeah, yeah, like I, I, I think.
1:17:48
Toliy: Um, I'm not sure if you agree there, but I think any one of us will.
1:17:51
Toliy: Things are going to go past us if we're alone in the world, like completely listen.
1:17:56
Eldar: I agree, I agree, and that's why I think that, to me, I've adopted a philosophy for a very long time I'll the, the merrier.
1:18:03
Eldar: You know what I'm saying, and I think that the reason for that is because I have the ability to talk and bounce my own ideas and my own thinking against other people, and if it's jiving with them, I see it and I feel it.
1:18:15
Eldar: It makes me feel good.
1:18:16
Eldar: If it doesn't, I also see it, and that I'm accustomed to now.
1:18:20
Eldar: Therefore, like I'm okay with every all walks of life, you know what I'm saying.
1:18:25
Toliy: Yeah, I have a really good example of what we were talking about too.
1:18:30
Toliy: If you don't have people around you who are going to pick you up or kind of remind you, or if you don't have people running into a challenge, there's one thing that is just like it's almost like it's its own force.
1:18:44
Toliy: I think that happens if you just participate in life and it's pressure, right.
1:18:50
Toliy: A couple of weeks ago, like a month ago, right, we have this thing where we were like okay to Eldar, name like 10 female UFC fighters or five of them, right, and like me and Eldar like Mike, like we know plenty of them.
1:19:05
Toliy: It's easy, easy, like this, right.
1:19:07
Toliy: But then now Harris introduced a new component.
1:19:10
Toliy: He goes okay, start naming them 20, 19, 18, 17, 16.
1:19:18
Toliy: Before you know it, eldar can't name two fighters in the whole UFC.
1:19:21
Eldar: That's my favorite sport there's all the divisions.
1:19:24
Toliy: We know all these people like I could throw out.
1:19:26
Toliy: We could throw out 100 right now but if I'm going to be, in your ear, counting down, putting a particular pressure on you you're not going to know two of them you freeze.
1:19:38
Eldar: I was completely drawn blank.
1:19:39
Eldar: I'm like wait, wait a minute.
1:19:40
Toliy: He could have named like one person.
1:19:42
Eldar: We were like yo, what the hell is wrong with you?
1:19:43
Eldar: I needed a minute to name each one because I was completely blanked out.
1:19:47
Eldar: I'm like I know all this, like, are you kidding me?
1:19:49
Eldar: Yeah.
1:19:50
Toliy: Yeah, so like there is a pressure, or like there are pressures from life, I guess are different variables or people around you, and I think it's very, very difficult to hold up on your own.
1:20:04
Eldar: Yeah Well, listen, I have an example with Ilya with that kind of shit, because he went out there, started running amok, started saying shit doing, shit hasn't been checked right and next thing you know, he's into these weird, weird ass fucking things, weird ass conclusions about his own life, the world, yeah Right, and then he's completely lost in the sauce.
1:20:21
Mike: What about the fucking end of the world?
1:20:23
Mike: Shit that happens every 20 years.
1:20:24
Harris: No, but also there's the same thing.
1:20:26
Harris: Ai is the same exact thing.
1:20:28
Harris: End of the world for some people.
1:20:30
Eldar: And Freud is like, okay, whatever.
1:20:33
Harris: He's very lonely.
1:20:34
Eldar: Well, that's what he's talking about.
1:20:36
Eldar: And then, every time we have heart to heart with Ilya, what does Ilya say?
1:20:39
Eldar: Man, I wish I never went.
1:20:40
Eldar: I wish I could come back.
1:20:42
Eldar: You know what I mean.
1:20:43
Eldar: Like I wish you guys were here.
1:20:44
Eldar: I miss you so much oh, that's so real right.
1:20:47
Eldar: Well, it's obvious right now.
1:20:48
Eldar: It's an acknowledgement of like, damn, like I need that, like I need that human interaction, I need that social interaction, or I right?
1:20:55
Eldar: You know what I mean, even though elder sometimes is a dick right.
1:20:58
Eldar: Like, yeah, you know, a lot of times pointed it out, I was like, elder, you're so cool, one-on-one or whatever, and then when you hang out with joe and stuff, you guys gang up on me or whatever.
1:21:06
Eldar: You know what I mean.
1:21:07
Eldar: Like this is like regular, typical shit that everybody always talks about.
1:21:10
Eldar: Right, yeah, in the group setting it's always like, oh, everybody's getting out, but it's, that's also a social dynamic.
1:21:15
Harris: You know what I mean that can bring out also good on us right, and especially amongst guys too oh, amongst guys, this is huge.
1:21:22
Eldar: Yeah, you know what I mean.
1:21:23
Eldar: Right now, harris, getting all the you know the jokes, all the jokes.
1:21:27
Eldar: You know what I mean.
1:21:27
Eldar: But you know, take years back it was totally was getting it all.
1:21:30
Eldar: You know what I mean and mike recently was getting it too.
1:21:32
Eldar: You know what I mean.
1:21:33
Eldar: But part of like totally sad, totally's thing right is Thick skin, is your hearing aid to the truth.
1:21:42
Eldar: You know what I mean, if you have thick skin, if you can't stick around, right, you might hear something, you might change your mind about something, where you can then empower yourself and be, you know, more so of an independent thinker, right, free thinker for yourself, so you can know what to do, how to do it and see the successes behind some of the things that you've thought you know, versus going there alone and fending for yourself, because life alone is hard, life alone period is hard, let alone by yourself.
1:22:10
Eldar: It's hard.
1:22:11
Toliy: Yeah, like try balancing again, like career, family, friends, yeah.
1:22:16
Toliy: All these different relationships concepts like shows things, you like sports.
1:22:22
Toliy: Like you know, there's a lot of different things, yeah.
1:22:25
Eldar: How many times you're being appreciative, babe, to me, saying hey, babe, thank you so much for loving me and caring for me and understanding me right, so you can do some of the things that you're doing right now yeah, Investing into you right, giving you finally, buying the time that you need in order to find out who the fuck is, catherine.
1:22:40
Harris: Yeah.
1:22:42
Eldar: Why is Catherine thinking the way she does this thinking and challenging some of the things that you do think, and you're like wait a second.
1:22:48
Eldar: What the fuck is wrong with me?
1:22:49
Harris: Yeah.
1:22:50
Eldar: Why am I thinking this way?
1:22:51
Eldar: I don't have to do this anymore, so you start putting stuff away.
1:22:55
Toliy: Like I don exist.
1:22:58
Harris: Yeah, I'm basically like leaving the baggage that doesn't benefit me and trying to yeah, trying to flourish.
1:23:04
Eldar: Trying to become actual human beings to say, like, wait a second, because I always think that every human being right has the potential in them to really create fucking magic.
1:23:14
Eldar: You know what I mean.
1:23:15
Eldar: Like nobody can convince me otherwise.
1:23:17
Eldar: However, all this garbage has been put on this by the world, by the marketing, by all these fears like you have or Joe now has, and all this other stuff.
1:23:26
Eldar: It's actually holding us back from having fun, because that's what I'm trying to do.
1:23:30
Eldar: I'm just trying to have fucking fun.
1:23:32
Eldar: And the motherfuckers out there, that's preaching politics.
1:23:35
Eldar: That's not fun.
1:23:36
Eldar: I'm not having fun with them.
1:23:37
Eldar: My number one thing is concerns to have fun.
1:23:38
Eldar: I'm not having fun with them.
1:23:38
Eldar: My number one thing is concerns to have fun.
1:23:40
Eldar: I understand we have to make money, we have responsibilities and all this.
1:23:44
Eldar: I understand all that, but I'm still trying to figure out a hybrid way to have fun with it as well.
1:23:49
Eldar: That's why Harris is here, right, harris?
1:23:51
Eldar: Yeah, why are you here, harris?
1:23:53
Eldar: You're like, yeah, I want to His dad.
1:23:55
Eldar: Every day, his dad gives him an hour and a half lecture telling him that you need a new job.
1:23:58
Eldar: This is not going to pay your bills.
1:24:01
Eldar: This is not going to save you for retirement.
1:24:03
Eldar: You're not going to be well off.
1:24:04
Eldar: Every day he comes home he tells him this shit.
1:24:08
Harris: Why is Harris still here?
1:24:09
Harris: My mother fucking accepted it, my dad, but we come up with a fucking plan here.
1:24:15
Eldar: We're going to tell him that you got fired.
1:24:16
Eldar: Tell Catherine what I said.
1:24:17
Eldar: Tell Catherine what I said First tell Catherine what my idea was to get your dad off your back, my idea was to tell my dad.
1:24:29
Harris: I got fired but I enrolled in school and the school is Eldorism.
1:24:32
Harris: Oh my God, he's going to keep you out of the house.
1:24:34
Harris: No, but no when he says what that is I'm going to say it's a letter friend.
1:24:38
Harris: Basically, they're paying me to learn very useful skills that's right and become a productive member of society.
1:24:45
Eldar: So he no longer has a job, he's going to come knocking on this door.
1:24:48
Eldar: Good.
1:24:52
Harris: What is he going to say?
1:24:53
Harris: What is his dad going to say?
1:24:54
Harris: He's going to tell me to back up my shit.
1:24:56
Eldar: What do you mean?
1:24:57
Eldar: He's going to send you back to Nebraska.
1:25:01
Eldar: Say, dad, where in your life have you ever went to school?
1:25:02
Eldar: Hey, where have you ever in your life went to school and got paid for it?
1:25:03
Eldar: Harris, because you're not bringing any money.
1:25:08
Eldar: Okay, the reality is right now our friend James just got fired from his job because a week has passed and he didn't bring any money.
1:25:15
Eldar: That's the reality of how the world works out there.
1:25:18
Eldar: Harris has been here for six months, almost Didn't bring any money, and he's still here getting paid.
1:25:23
Eldar: He's in school getting paid.
1:25:25
Eldar: This is the reality of what's actually going on here.
1:25:28
Eldar: This is not a job yet, because at work you're supposed to be a productive member of work and bring something for the company.
1:25:35
Eldar: Harris is a whole.
1:25:39
Eldar: So what I'm saying is that you have to call things for what they are.
1:25:42
Eldar: When it comes to parents, especially your dad, who doesn't understand what's happening here, you have to tell him that you're in school, you're not working, and this school happens to be a paid school.
1:25:51
Eldar: They pay me to be in school.
1:25:53
Eldar: Isn't that profound?
1:25:56
Eldar: Isn't that the truth of?
1:25:57
Harris: the matter here.
1:25:58
Harris: Yeah, but my dad's mindset yeah well, listen your dad's mindset he's 63.
1:26:04
Eldar: Nobody gives a fuck about your dad's mindset here but what?
1:26:07
Harris: that's why I said my whole plan was I was gonna send the guy, bring the guys over fight your war, for you that's why, you need society again.
1:26:15
Toliy: Thing is happening though, like for Harris, for example, in his case, if his dad views him as like unsuccessful and, for example, like a mess, like in like a way right.
1:26:30
Toliy: I think he feels responsible for that in like a particular way, and now he's trying to scramble, do everything he can to make up for that he's changed a lot ever since his fucking cancer, beating his fucking cancer.
1:26:46
Harris: He changed a lot For the better.
1:26:48
Eldar: Or for the worse.
1:26:49
Eldar: I think it's for the worse.
1:26:50
Eldar: Oh, okay, so thank you for clarifying that.
1:26:52
Eldar: He wants me?
1:26:53
Harris: No, I think it's.
1:26:54
Harris: My dad really thinks he's going to die when he's like 72.
1:26:58
Harris: So less than nine years from now.
1:27:01
Harris: Okay, because he believes he has my grandfather's genes, which several men in his family died of brain aneurysms, which you can't detect until it pops.
1:27:12
Eldar: Yeah, my neighbor died like that, like 45.
1:27:15
Eldar: Shit man.
1:27:17
Harris: So my dad believes he's going to die of a brain aneurysm at 70.
1:27:22
Harris: So I think one of the things he wants to do before he leaves this world is to make sure me and my sister have our lives together and fucking making money so he can croak and and be okay, yeah yeah, like I feel like why doesn't he just, why doesn't he just sell all the money?
1:27:41
Eldar: What's his name?
1:27:41
Eldar: I mean, sell his assets and give all the assets to you.
1:27:44
Harris: I think he wants to leave the house to me and my sister.
1:27:46
Eldar: He can go to Colorado and do a sister suicide Because my sister has a house.
1:27:50
Harris: I don't yeah.
1:27:51
Harris: The plan is to leave the house.
1:27:54
Toliy: I think that like a, a strategy for this, like, if, if it is true, right, like, because it's also like, like it's not like the um kids are ever like, hey, like, actually what you did for me, it was great, yeah, you know.
1:28:08
Toliy: Like, look, look, dad, I appreciate you, I have the ability to learn right now and like, figure, figure things out and like, learn all these things, and that wouldn't be possible without your help and things you're helping me with.
1:28:21
Toliy: It's like reversing it.
1:28:26
Toliy: They're like but wait, am I actually doing a good job?
1:28:29
Toliy: And they don't have to be as convincing and involved.
1:28:35
Toliy: There was plenty of times where, well, first off, my parents were definitely extremely against me working with you and working for a letter friend, and doing all that for a long time, and then, after that, the tide turned.
1:28:50
Toliy: But then my mom was like, for a while she was like hey, I did a bad job of this, you don't have a degree, you didn't get this, and I'm like, what, like?
1:29:00
Toliy: Like?
1:29:01
Toliy: She was like hey, I did a bad job of this, like you know, you don't have a degree, like you didn't, like, you know, get this.
1:29:02
Toliy: And I'm like Mike, what are you talking about?
1:29:04
Toliy: Like, right, like, once you talk about it like, like, if it wasn't for the ways, like for the opportunities that you provided me, like you know, like letting me, or to pay rent, or it's for this, and that, like you like, put me in a position where, like you, allowed me to learn and to to do all that it's a reminder right here totally actually came to me and he was working for free why that's correct totally.
1:29:36
Toliy: You're working for free man yeah, for a little bit, and then I think the first time I got paid was to pay for my car.
1:29:44
Eldar: For your car or for your cell phone or something $250 a month.
1:29:46
Eldar: I remember it was that and then you would put lunch on the card, so you're the lucky one, my friend, who makes all this money.
1:29:52
Eldar: You understand, oh, I understand, okay, yeah, yeah.
1:29:55
Eldar: He came to me, said listen, eldar, I know you're just starting up, man, I know it's new, you know, but I'd like to join you, I'd like to see if I can help and stuff like that.
1:30:02
Eldar: I don't need you to pay for anything.
1:30:04
Eldar: You know, I'm not asking for a salary, but I'd like to jump on.
1:30:06
Eldar: And I said okay, with those terms.
1:30:08
Eldar: I mean that's a no brainer for me.
1:30:12
Eldar: Let's try it, yeah but uh, yeah, are you over here, fucking, you know my dad thinks, yeah, so I.
1:30:22
Harris: But that's why I believe my dad looks at the way things he looks yeah, and it's also because he has regrets of his own right.
1:30:29
Harris: He was offered a government job that had a pension and unfortunately for him he was very dumb.
1:30:34
Harris: He did not start saving until he for retirement, until he was 42.
1:30:40
Harris: So he has reached a certain amount which I think is enough to retire on with Social Security in a couple of years, which he does not believe.
1:30:50
Eldar: He doesn't believe you can retire on, yeah but he's only living the next nine years and he's done.
1:30:55
Eldar: So.
1:30:55
Eldar: What's the problem?
1:30:56
Harris: He wants to live a certain lifestyle.
1:30:59
Eldar: Okay.
1:31:01
Harris: Take trips and all this different shit he goes to live a certain lifestyle.
1:31:03
Toliy: Okay, take trips and all this different shit he goes to like to Cape May.
1:31:04
Toliy: Man, come on.
1:31:04
Harris: No, he was actually planning on taking a trip to the Dominican Republic and all these places.
1:31:10
Mike: Cheap trips, man Cheap trips All inclusive Just once he bought a hotel.
1:31:14
Harris: There's certain ways he lives and he wants to live a certain lifestyle with his girlfriend, because his girlfriend has very expensive taste.
1:31:21
Harris: Yeah, his girlfriend also has money.
1:31:23
Harris: Okay, money, uh-huh.
1:31:25
Harris: Okay, she was in sales herself, okay.
1:31:28
Harris: Vp of.
1:31:30
Eldar: Yeah, operations.
1:31:32
Eldar: So he has resentment.
1:31:32
Eldar: He knows already how it feels for somebody else that he's with is better than him in sales.
1:31:38
Harris: Right that he's with is better than him in sales, so he doesn't want his son to fucking To succeed.
1:31:40
Harris: Well, he sucked at sales.
1:31:43
Eldar: He worked at sales a long time.
1:31:44
Eldar: Imagine you conquer it.
1:31:45
Eldar: How is he going to feel?
1:31:46
Eldar: He's going to feel like a complete small man.
1:31:48
Harris: He goes oh, you work for a government job.
1:31:50
Harris: After 20 years you'll get a pension.
1:31:51
Harris: That's complete horseshit.
1:31:52
Harris: I worked for the fucking post office.
1:31:54
Harris: They no longer gave full fucking pensions.
1:31:56
Harris: It was like you work for 30 years, we'll give you $1,300 a month, that's it, and you can collect social security.
1:32:03
Harris: You work for 40 years guess what?
1:32:05
Harris: We'll give you $2,200 a month.
1:32:07
Harris: I'm like yo, I'm not gonna fucking kill my fucking body for this shit.
1:32:10
Harris: Fucking pay yeah.
1:32:13
Eldar: There you go.
1:32:14
Harris: The new generation is smarter than that Because I was killing my body In the winter, I fucking fell and busted my back, busted my head five fucking times on ice, dude, and now you look like the hunchback of Notre Dame.
1:32:27
Toliy: We got to sue the post office man this might be because of his condition.
1:32:30
Mike: I never reported it, though, I just got up and fucking kept walking.
1:32:33
Harris: They told me are you?
1:32:34
Harris: fucking stupid.
1:32:35
Harris: You need to fucking report that shit when you fall, because if you're out of work and you need to go to the hospital or something, yeah, I ain't going to be able to.
1:32:42
Harris: Now you have a hump neck.
1:32:44
Eldar: And you're sitting on a $4,000 couch Eight Eight, I'm sorry, this is $8,000?.
1:32:49
Eldar: This is $8,000.
1:32:50
Harris: Jesus, fucking Christ, you understand this or no?
1:32:52
Harris: This small couch is $8, that is correct.
1:32:57
Eldar: How far you've gone.
1:32:58
Harris: I'll just say one thing I was driving a 1983 postal vehicle.
1:33:05
Toliy: I'll just say one thing Harris' dad is 63 and he walks around his own house in his shoes.
1:33:14
Eldar: Yes, he does.
1:33:14
Eldar: We need to evict him I can't?
1:33:17
Harris: I like my dad.
1:33:19
Toliy: But that's so wild.
1:33:21
Harris: No, it's just wild to you it's.
1:33:22
Harris: American style?
1:33:23
Harris: Yeah, because it's a different culture than yours.
1:33:26
Toliy: Yeah, but like you walk in the same places, like in your socks or barefoot.
1:33:33
Eldar: Some people like that even sleep in their shoes.
1:33:35
Eldar: What is wrong with you?
1:33:37
Mike: Yeah, people do.
1:33:38
Harris: They put their feet on the couch.
1:33:41
Mike: Yeah, people put their feet on the couch.
1:33:42
Mike: Yeah, that's what Harris does yeah, what the fuck, harris?
1:33:45
Eldar: you trying to fucking ruin this couch alright, guys, did we help Joe or no, or should we?
1:33:52
Harris: help Joe maybe we need to talk about Eldar's saying here.
1:33:57
Harris: Maybe they need to learn on their own what the Eldar that you're saying.
1:34:04
Mike: No, I don't remember ever saying that.
1:34:05
Mike: He always says this.
1:34:06
Harris: He always says this.
1:34:07
Harris: You know, some people need to learn on their own.
1:34:10
Harris: Some people need to learn the hard way.
1:34:13
Eldar: You have to give more context, man.
1:34:15
Harris: Well, some people do.
1:34:16
Harris: You always fucking say that you can't quote me and misquote me.
1:34:18
Eldar: You know what?
1:34:18
Harris: I'm saying I'm not misquoting you, man, Because that's opposite of what we were just talking about.
1:34:21
Harris: Some people need to learn the hard way, man Well no, what we've concluded here is right.
1:34:27
Eldar: If our friend, for example, if our friend is not feeling empowered because let's make an assumption that being empowered is good and being not empowered is bad All right.
1:34:37
Eldar: If we've made that conclusion and we have this measure, stick to go off of right.
1:34:41
Eldar: And if he's not empowered and he's being influenced by the external world, like the politics and all those other games, right, and it's growing anger inside of him or some kind of resentment or some kind of bad feeling internally.
1:34:54
Eldar: Obviously, for my friend I don't wish that and, based on what we discussed, he said, it's very hard to go out there on your own, be a lone wolf, right, and be empowered, because there's going to be doubts and things keep coming your way and the world's going to keep trying to oppress you.
1:35:09
Eldar: And if you're really not on your P's and Q's, you're not going to be able to offend it.
1:35:12
Eldar: Sooner or later you're going to be influenced, right?
1:35:15
Eldar: So this is what he's saying.
1:35:15
Eldar: So, if that's true, if that holds true, harris, what he's saying is that Joe should come home.
1:35:20
Eldar: What do you mean?
1:35:23
Eldar: Come home?
1:35:24
Eldar: Yeah.
1:35:24
Harris: You came home bro.
1:35:24
Harris: Are you talking about here?
1:35:26
Eldar: You know what I'm saying, Harris?
1:35:27
Harris: Are you talking about him?
1:35:29
Toliy: One thing that I've always seen like throughout the years like ever since I met Elder in all different kinds of like scenarios you would do and in like particular places or particular people and people be like yo.
1:35:44
Toliy: You can't do that here, right yeah but what the?
1:35:47
Toliy: But but but, like you always like, did it in in that kind of way.
1:35:51
Toliy: What are you?
1:35:52
Harris: talking about.
1:35:52
Harris: We own this, we, we own this place.
1:35:56
Harris: We own this place yeah good right, like you have like countless examples of all the On vacation you know in a supermarket or like.
1:36:03
Harris: Totally if I had a dollar for every time.
1:36:05
Toliy: Yeah, or like we were when we were just in Bermuda.
1:36:09
Toliy: We sat down in some place.
1:36:10
Toliy: It was fucking weird, Like their menu had pizza and sushi and this was in Bermuda and we're like what the fuck?
1:36:15
Toliy: Fuck, you know?
1:36:15
Toliy: And like like it was bad vibes and the guy just poured us water all of us and gave us menus and walked away and harris like yeah, but we can't just get up and leave oh, we've done this so many why, not and now everyone just starts getting up and we bet you saw their faces, dude, you know what?
1:36:29
Harris: are they gonna do yo?
1:36:31
Harris: But the one thing I would say right, I walked into fucking uh, the ritz with mike and anatoly and they fucking you taught them to them.
1:36:39
Harris: We own this shit.
1:36:39
Harris: And I'm looking around and these motherfuckers are dressed nice, right, they're in their button-down shirts and shit, I'm in shorts, we're all in shorts and fucking shit and I'm like yo, we're not dressed for this and Mike and Anatoly go.
1:36:54
Harris: What do you mean?
1:36:55
Harris: We own this shit here.
1:36:56
Eldar: This is ours Good, and it's like what, and they're like yeah, only the fucking uh fake rich people, fucking dreadful, fucking cocky son of a bitch.
1:37:08
Harris: They're right, exactly, and it's kind of true.
1:37:11
Harris: You see the celebrities when they walk through the airport.
1:37:14
Eldar: They're wearing these shitty ass vans, fucking t-shirts I only wear my Rolex During podcasts On Fridays, when nobody can see.
1:37:20
Eldar: Understand this or not.
1:37:23
Eldar: No one can see.
1:37:25
Eldar: This is an audio podcast, harris.
1:37:27
Eldar: This is not a video podcast For some, if you didn't notice.
1:37:30
Eldar: Oh for yeah, for you, yeah, yeah, so totally, you were gonna say something About not being really empowered.
1:37:34
Harris: Damn, I can't.
1:37:36
Eldar: Um Um About what?
1:37:38
Eldar: Not being empowered or being empowered, and it being hard on your own.
1:37:45
Toliy: You were asking me, you were saying, like will this help, joan Will?
1:37:49
Toliy: Like, yeah, I mean, I think, like I don't think that it could like, just like, solve everything all at once, but I think I could start a conversation and then I think it'll be up to that person, right, they want to participate in what they're going to say and how much time and effort.
1:38:13
Toliy: But I also know that, just from first-hand experience, that any of these different things in life, if you're not persistent in it and if you don't have the right people around you, yeah, it's false, false to the society.
1:38:28
Eldar: My chance, yeah yeah, you agree.
1:38:31
Mike: Uh, yeah, I agree.
1:38:31
Mike: I also would like to add that, um, this thing, I guess the whole conversation as well, it it's like you know, it makes me think about natural selection, right.
1:38:42
Mike: Why some people certain ways, some others, you know, empowered, not empowered.
1:38:46
Mike: You know all the different varieties of how you can be as an individual and I think this is just like it's supposed to be this way.
1:38:56
Mike: Yeah, some people meant to make it and live like good, happy lives.
1:38:59
Mike: Some people are meant to make it and live good, happy lives.
1:39:00
Mike: Some people are not.
1:39:01
Mike: Some people are supposed to feel like, you know, mickey Mantle is going to pay the rent, Some people are not.
1:39:06
Mike: You know, we all get stuck in different areas.
1:39:08
Harris: Yeah, did you just quote a fucking Bronxdale?
1:39:11
Mike: Yes, of course.
1:39:12
Harris: Mickey.
1:39:13
Toliy: Mantle ain't going to pay my rent.
1:39:14
Harris: Of course that's right 100, 100%.
1:39:16
Eldar: Just like we tell you here, man, we're trying to empower you so you can fish on your own.
1:39:20
Toliy: Trump's not going to pay your fucking rent.
1:39:22
Toliy: Huh, trump's not going to pay your fucking rent, you dweeb.
1:39:26
Eldar: Trump doesn't give a fuck about you, nope.
1:39:29
Mike: So why the fuck give a fuck about Trump?
1:39:31
Mike: Yeah, yeah, so that's how I feel he's making motions at you guys.
1:39:37
Mike: No, totally does this Watch?
1:39:39
Mike: It is this natural selection thing where we can't predict who's going to make it.
1:39:45
Mike: Who's going to, you know?
1:39:47
Eldar: get to the Well, no, I think you can.
1:39:49
Eldar: I mean, if you really pay attention, right, Well yeah.
1:39:52
Eldar: If you really pay attention to kind of who's going to fall to the side or who's not, based on some of the criteria that we talked about and stuff.
1:39:58
Mike: You can kind of say like okay, cool, a lot of times you can, but you know, not everybody.
1:40:03
Mike: You know I'm going to say Joe.
1:40:10
Mike: I mean from what I know of Joe, yeah, like the way I envision him, I do think he has a lot of good qualities and he has a mind and he thinks.
1:40:16
Mike: And I do think he's going to get on the train.
1:40:18
Mike: He has a mind and he thinks, I do think he's, you think he's going to get on the train.
1:40:23
Mike: I think he's going to become more empowered about the subject.
1:40:26
Mike: At least, that's what I wish for him.
1:40:28
Harris: Okay, all right, joe, there's a train yeah well said man.
1:40:32
Harris: Either you're going to get on board or you're going to fall behind.
1:40:35
Mike: I don't think he has a choice in the matter.
1:40:37
Harris: So we're going to duct tape him and throw him in the drain?
1:40:40
Harris: No, I think he's going to duct tape himself.
1:40:44
Eldar: Duct tape himself.
1:40:45
Eldar: Yeah, babe, do you have any final thoughts about this subject or any other questions or any other things?
1:40:53
Eldar: Did we explore it enough?
1:40:54
Eldar: Did we give enough to Joe to kind of say where we, to know where we stand?
1:41:04
Harris: And we all have like kind of like our own yeah perception of it like I shared.
1:41:05
Harris: I'm actually quite fearful of certain technologies as well, but I'm also coming from a place that, like I, don't have enough knowledge about it to begin with you know.
1:41:11
Eldar: So, like I, I'm not the right person for it, but um, I I think, I think we did actually yeah, yeah, and I think it's a good point what you said, that we don't have enough knowledge a lot of times, but we do create speculative emotional states.
1:41:26
Toliy: Oh, absolutely that's me yeah it's a 100% like, like famous, like buzzword line we're afraid of what we don't know.
1:41:34
Toliy: Yeah, exactly, but you don't need to be afraid of what you don't know because you don't know, you don't know.
1:41:38
Harris: Also change is hard.
1:41:39
Harris: Change can be hard for some individuals, a lot more than others, you know, depending on how we are.
1:41:46
Harris: So, like change, innovation, all these things can sometimes be, yeah, like scary.
1:41:54
Eldar: What we define, some of the things that we've defined before is that one thing you might want to be a little bit cautious or afraid of is the wrong perceptions that you might be living out right now based on some of the conclusions you've made for yourself not necessarily what the future is going to bring you with ai and robots.
1:42:11
Toliy: No, you might be under the wrong pressure right now you might be hurting yourself right now as we speak, and you don't know that you're doing yeah, like I, I I think the actual, most common and and like, uh, um, most popular form of of suffering is from what, what you don't know, rather than what you actually know, or what actually has happened, and most of the suffering happens not in right now.
1:42:34
Eldar: It actually happens in the past or the future.
1:42:36
Toliy: Yes, remember this as well in imagination yeah, like you're, you're suffering much less on like uh, on shit that's actually happening now than things that you think will happen or like stuff like that.
1:42:48
Toliy: But yeah, like, if, if you tell me the statement that you actually don't know, how can you feel a way um towards?
1:42:54
Toliy: It, that's right like how does that actually make sense?
1:42:56
Toliy: It doesn't.
1:42:57
Toliy: It doesn't, but know, many people create it.
1:43:02
Harris: Yeah, including myself.
1:43:02
Harris: Covid was a good example of not knowing, but people living in like immense fear, right, like some people, didn't know if we would survive this.
1:43:12
Eldar: My mom came apologizing and saying bye to me.
1:43:14
Harris: Yeah, this was wipe us out, you know, but here we are.
1:43:17
Harris: You know, yes, we did lose.
1:43:19
Harris: You know, but here we are.
1:43:20
Eldar: you know, yes, we did lose you know, we lost plenty of people, but most of us survived.
1:43:23
Harris: You know, you don't know, but you're scared.
1:43:25
Harris: It's.
1:43:25
Harris: The unknown is scary, I guess you know.
1:43:28
Eldar: But again, it's scary for the person who's not really, like Mike said, is empowered or totally said, but like being scared of the unknown, it sounds like an arrogant position.
1:43:41
Mike: It is.
1:43:42
Eldar: It is an arrogant position.
1:43:43
Mike: Well, I think it's a very it's like I should know everything.
1:43:45
Eldar: No, you are under the impression that unknown is actually bad.
1:43:50
Mike: Yeah, but it's also thinking that you're supposed to know what the future is.
1:43:55
Mike: Well, no.
1:43:56
Eldar: What we're doing is that we're actually becoming.
1:43:58
Eldar: We're prophesizing the shit into our minds and thinking that we're doing is that we're actually becoming?
1:44:02
Eldar: We're prophesizing the shit into our minds and thinking that we're these oracles that are going to know exactly what's going to happen and when it's going to happen, like his dad saying that I'm going to die at 72 because I'm going to have aneurysm or whatever.
1:44:11
Eldar: You know what I'm saying.
1:44:12
Eldar: So, therefore, he's going to line up his whole life.
1:44:15
Harris: He's manifesting it.
1:44:16
Eldar: Ilya right I to this, he's manifesting it.
1:44:17
Eldar: Ilya right, Ilya.
1:44:18
Eldar: Well, he might not even that's the mind I work, Ilya who told me yo the world's gonna end 2012,.
1:44:22
Eldar: Bro, get a bunker.
1:44:22
Eldar: You know what I mean.
1:44:23
Eldar: Like I'm, bro, you never called you.
1:44:25
Eldar: Called me to warn me, but you never called me to celebrate that it didn't happen.
1:44:38
Harris: That it's mind.
1:44:39
Harris: You can let him know.
1:44:40
Harris: He can come out of the bunker now, man.
1:44:43
Toliy: You should send Joe that Chinese story, because that, I think, is probably the best mindset to have.
1:44:52
Mike: It's a hard one to develop, but we'll see.
1:44:56
Eldar: I can say it here if you want.
1:44:57
Eldar: Yeah, go ahead.
1:44:58
Eldar: The Chinese proverb, or whatever it's called, right, there was a village right and there was an old man that lived in this village and he had a son, right and you know everybody, it's a small village, so everybody kind of knew each other right, one day the son was riding a horse and he fell off the horse and he broke his leg and the whole village was like oh no, so sorry, you know, like that your son broke the leg, you know, coming to the father, you know, and the father was like he's kind of doesn't have an emotion to it, he's kind of like you know, we'll see.
1:45:35
Eldar: You know whether or not it's a bad thing or a good thing, you know A war happens right.
1:45:40
Eldar: So you know whether or not it's a bad thing or a good thing, you know a war happens right.
1:45:41
Eldar: Some, you know, now they're gathering all these people and it's from this village right to take to war, right, and the only person that doesn't get taken is his son.
1:45:48
Eldar: He doesn't go to war because he has a broken leg right and the father is like well, you know, everybody's kind of like upset and stuff like that.
1:45:57
Eldar: We'll see.
1:45:57
Eldar: You know, I think I skipped a step or two yeah, sorry it's good.
1:46:02
Toliy: I think someone said like hey, like the war is like like see, like wow, it's so great it's yeah like he didn't have to go to war.
1:46:09
Toliy: Yeah, right.
1:46:10
Toliy: And then the father said yeah we'll see there was a couple more steps.
1:46:14
Mike: I think you missed the first few yeah, before the horse yes, before the horse.
1:46:17
Mike: Yeah, before he broke his leg.
1:46:18
Toliy: Oh, no, I think the first one was that, like they were congratulating, I'm getting a horse oh, yes, yeah, they were like, oh my god, that's so great.
1:46:25
Toliy: And the dad said we'll see.
1:46:26
Toliy: Yeah, and then the son fell, fell off the horse, yes.
1:46:29
Toliy: And then they're like, oh, this is so bad, this is so bad and then people came by to recruit people for the war, yeah, and the son wasn't taken because, yeah, his uh leg was broken.
1:46:38
Eldar: So kind of the moral of the story, right, we'll see.
1:46:40
Eldar: We don't know yet what's going to be good or bad, but we're going to see, right.
1:46:44
Eldar: And to have that type of mindset, like Toli said, I think is an empowering one, because then you're not swayed by some of the emotions that are happening right now.
1:46:52
Eldar: We'll see.
1:46:52
Eldar: We'll see whether or not it's good or bad, we'll see.
1:46:55
Harris: Yeah, we'll see Right, because a lot of times right, we like to prophesy.
1:46:59
Eldar: I think that's growing on you man.
1:47:00
Eldar: I think he's practicing it.
1:47:01
Mike: It is growing on him.
1:47:03
Eldar: Yeah, you came to totally.
1:47:03
Eldar: You said, hey, I'm staying late today.
1:47:05
Eldar: You know all this stuff We'll see.
1:47:06
Eldar: You know We'll see.
1:47:08
Eldar: Yeah, I totally said we'll see.
1:47:29
Harris: You know, yeah, I'm not even gonna give him answers anymore.
1:47:30
Eldar: We'll see.
1:47:31
Eldar: You see, you learn something hey did you find jobs, we'll see.
1:47:33
Eldar: Did you get any answers?
1:47:33
Eldar: We'll see.
1:47:34
Eldar: What does that mean?
1:47:34
Harris: we'll see.
1:47:34
Harris: It's a great response actually.
1:47:36
Harris: I'm gonna try to employ it too yeah, from now on, when my dad asks me a question, we'll see.
1:47:41
Harris: Man, it's not a matter of just answering it Maybe.
1:47:45
Eldar: Maybe or whatever, to embody that and to actually feel that is the empowering part.
1:47:50
Eldar: That's what Tolly's talking about.
1:47:52
Harris: It's going to piss my dad off.
1:47:54
Toliy: Well, that because we're also always jumping conclusions to like calling something like hey, this is bad, this is good.
1:48:01
Toliy: Oh, you're stuck in traffic.
1:48:03
Toliy: This is terrible.
1:48:04
Toliy: What if you would have went in regular speed and gone into a bad car accident?
1:48:08
Toliy: What if there was no more?
1:48:12
Toliy: You need some recipe for some dinner.
1:48:17
Toliy: You were making and there was no more of it, but then you found out later that everything was poison.
1:48:22
Eldar: That was like that thing, I don't know, or he discovered a better recipe, yeah.
1:48:26
Toliy: There's like so many people have so many judgments to all kinds of things being negative or positive.
1:48:32
Eldar: But yeah, the reality is we'll see, we'll see how it's going to turn out.
1:48:36
Toliy: We'll see how things turn out.
1:48:38
Toliy: Exactly who has a crystal ball?
1:48:39
Eldar: Yeah, show me.
1:48:40
Eldar: I'll ask them for the lotto numbers.
1:48:42
Toliy: Yeah, and making it like a finite thing or like an exact thing is like it's unhealthy.
1:48:49
Eldar: With that being said, I'm going to do final thoughts.
1:48:51
Eldar: I'm going to do one of those things.
1:48:53
Eldar: There's zero chance that Donald Trump is going to be the president of the United States.
1:48:56
Eldar: Come in this election.
1:48:58
Eldar: Zero chance.
1:48:59
Eldar: Mark my words.
1:49:01
Mike: And that's not a we'll see.
1:49:02
Mike: This is not a we'll see bro Not a maybe.
1:49:04
Harris: What did you say?
1:49:07
Eldar: He woke up, hey, the Trump.
1:49:08
Eldar: I woke up, I said there's zero chance, you know.
1:49:10
Eldar: I totally just said hey, you know, going forward, we should just use the maybe or we'll see.
1:49:15
Eldar: You know, well, in this thing, I'm telling you, it's not a we'll see thing.
1:49:18
Eldar: There's zero chance that Donald Trump's going to be president of the United States.
1:49:21
Eldar: We'll see.
1:49:22
Eldar: All right, good, yeah, anybody else?
1:49:25
Eldar: Anybody else has final thoughts?
1:49:27
Mike: Nope, no, I think I already did mine, you did yours.
1:49:35
Harris: Mike did his and I, harris, and for coming for 2050, man there you go.
1:49:40
Harris: What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
1:49:45
Harris: At no point were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
1:49:51
Eldar: Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to us, because that's the truth, man.
1:49:55
Eldar: No, that's true for sure.
1:49:57
Mike: I just wanted to keep you humble, thank you guys.
1:49:58
Mike: No, that's true for sure.
1:49:59
Mike: I just wanted to keep you humble, billy man, not really.
1:50:00
Mike: Yeah, thank you guys, this was great.
1:50:02
Mike: Thanks for watching.