Latest / Uncluttered and Unfiltered: The Podcast For Women Over 50 / YOU'RE TOO OLD TO BE A PEOPLE PLEASER
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- 0:04Welcome to Uncluttered and Unfiltered, the podcast urging
- 0:08you to let it go and don't look back, with nationally acclaimed
- 0:12professional organizer Christine Stone and self-proclaimed Hot
- 0:17Damn Mess radio and TV personality Eden Kendall.
- 0:22Welcome to Uncluttered and Unfiltered, the podcast for
- 0:25women over 50 with Eden Kendall and Christine Stone.
- 0:29Both of both of us are now not in our 50s, but we've been
- 0:33there, done that. So maybe you'll get something
- 0:35out of this episode, even if you're a A50.
- 0:38Let me let me tell you what my husband refers to himself now as
- 0:41because he turned 60 in October. He keeps calling himself a fresh
- 0:4559. He's like, I'm not 60, I'm a
- 0:47fresh 59. You know what?
- 0:49My husband is a few months younger than me and bullied me
- 0:53when I was 59 and then turned 60.
- 0:55He did the same thing. It's like he was walking around
- 0:58the house going, you're 60 and I'm still 59.
- 1:01I'm like. Oh man.
- 1:06OK, so we have a multi tiered show for you today.
- 1:10So what we're going to talk about in our main little middle
- 1:13section there, the the sandwich meat of it is going to be about
- 1:17being a people pleaser and whether or not it's worth being
- 1:22one. And then we have an
- 1:23organizational tip at the end, as we tend to all the time.
- 1:27And we're going to start out with things that are on our
- 1:29radar. We both watched a movie called
- 1:33Voicemails for Isabel and Oh my gosh.
- 1:38I think it goes up there with like steel Magnolias and
- 1:42beaches. And I mean, I just, I sobbed
- 1:48through the whole thing and it's not even sad the whole thing.
- 1:51It just was so I liked it a lot. I thought it.
- 1:54Was really. I started crying from the minute
- 1:56it started. And the second it started, I was
- 1:58crying. And at the end I was crying.
- 2:01It is so sweet. It's so cute.
- 2:03It's so funny. It stars Zoe Deutsch, who is the
- 2:06daughter of Leah Thompson, who I love.
- 2:09I don't know that. Yeah.
- 2:10Her dad is a director. I think he is Howard Deutsch's
- 2:13is he? Or somebody.
- 2:14Deutsch, that was her daughter and Leah Thompson from Back to
- 2:16the Future. Her and remember she had a show.
- 2:19She's done a lot of stuff little that movie I used to love in the
- 2:2280s, some kind of wonderful. She was in a lot of things.
- 2:24But yeah, so Leah Thompson's the mom and I just saw.
- 2:29It's so cute. I just saw him.
- 2:30Leah Thompson's Instagram and she's one of us.
- 2:32You know, she's got to be in her 60s.
- 2:34She she was doing the dance because there's a dance to a
- 2:37song in the in the movie. She was doing the dance.
- 2:39Yeah, I saw it was. So.
- 2:41Cute it was. It's a great movie.
- 2:43Definitely worth watching now. Did you watch it with your
- 2:47husband? My husband did.
- 2:48See, my husband would never watch that movie.
- 2:51He liked it. We watched it because our
- 2:52daughter said you have to watch it.
- 2:54Yeah, he would he. Was so good.
- 2:56That's not his thing. But I, I kind of like it.
- 2:59You know, sometimes I don't know about you, but you just need a
- 3:02good cry and you you need something to kind of inspire it
- 3:07so you can get it all out of your system.
- 3:09That was that movie. You get it all out.
- 3:12The thing I like about a movie like this is, yes, there's a
- 3:14good cry, but it's not a cry that's going to smack you in the
- 3:17face. It's a cry because you know from
- 3:19the very beginning that the premise of this is that this guy
- 3:23has a phone and this is in the trailer.
- 3:25This guy has a phone, and it's the phone that used to be the
- 3:29number assigned to her late sister.
- 3:32And so she leaves voicemails for her late sister.
- 3:37And that's the promise. So, you know, so the thing
- 3:40that's going to make you cry is the sweetness surrounding it.
- 3:43You know, it's not like you're falling in love with the
- 3:45character and then boom, shockingly, they are, they're
- 3:48gone, right? Those those are the movies.
- 3:50I'm like, don't get me to fall in love with someone.
- 3:52And then he doesn't. She doesn't know that he has the
- 3:56phone. Right.
- 3:58And she? Thinks it's still her sister's
- 4:01phone. The whole thing is.
- 4:03So sweet. It's just really cute and funny.
- 4:06Yes, very, very funny. And her, she's great.
- 4:09So OK, so that is one of the things on the radar.
- 4:14I wanted to talk to you about this because you were somebody
- 4:17who loved this before you were really all about the sets.
- 4:23Remember when we first started this podcast, you were all about
- 4:26the sets. And by sets, I mean two piece
- 4:28outfits. And at the time it was mostly
- 4:32like a long, like a nice long sleeve T-shirt or a jacket and
- 4:36then like joggers or pants. But now it's really kind of
- 4:39morphed into more like instead of a jumpsuit, you've got a top
- 4:44and a bottom that goes and it can be capris or it can be a
- 4:46tank top. And I am in love with these
- 4:49things now. I have like, like several that
- 4:51I've gotten at Marshalls and TJ Maxx and Nordstrom and
- 4:54Instagram, I mean, at Instagram, Amazon.
- 4:57They just make getting dressed, especially when you're older,
- 5:02just, it makes getting dressed so easy because then you could
- 5:05just accessorize everything else, your jewelry, your purse,
- 5:09whatever, your shoes, but the outfit's already done for you
- 5:14and you can when you're on vacation, you can mix and match
- 5:17everything if you wanted to. It just take from each set.
- 5:23I just love a set. I do.
- 5:25I love a. Set a good set.
- 5:26That's on my radar. What about you?
- 5:28Any new products in your lineup or you've been very good?
- 5:31About well, mine is all about shoes.
- 5:33One of them OK, no making fun OK, but my new.
- 5:38Crocs, I was going to ask if you got your house shoes but those
- 5:42are not your. House shoes?
- 5:44No, they started. Is house shoes OK?
- 5:48They have a platform which I love.
- 5:50The problem is they were so comfortable I started wearing a
- 5:53mountain. So they look to me like a
- 5:57rubbery version of the old Doctor Scholl's Those Wooden
- 6:00Shoes, except they have a second strap.
- 6:02They have a second strap and it's adjustable so I can adjust
- 6:06it and they are so comfortable. So they started Crocs and
- 6:12they're Crocs. They come in other colors too,
- 6:14like black or whatever, but I mean to tell you they are are so
- 6:18comfortable. I wear them in the house and now
- 6:21I wear them outside of the house.
- 6:22So now I have to find a new pair of just house shoes since these
- 6:26go outside too. It's shoes will always be my,
- 6:31you know. Did you try the Oofas yet?
- 6:34I haven't tried the Oofas yet, but I they're definitely on my
- 6:38radar to try. So because, you know, I just
- 6:43have given in, I said I just can't do the shoes that hurt my
- 6:47feet anymore, period. It's just not worth it.
- 6:50Period. End of the story.
- 6:52End of the story. So I got a new product at
- 6:56Sephora the other day and you wouldn't like this product
- 7:01because it's scented and you don't like scented products.
- 7:04Yeah, but it. Has a vanilla, vanilla kind of
- 7:06scent and I like it, but it is a sheer shimmery oil that it's
- 7:11called. I'm going to spell it because I
- 7:13have no idea how to say it, CYKLAR Cyclar Cyclar.
- 7:19And it was a pretty big bottle and it's got the shimmery like
- 7:22when you look at it, but when you put it on it gives you kind
- 7:26of a little bit of a glow. And I really like it.
- 7:28So I have it on my shoulders today so.
- 7:31I don't like anything that gives you a little shimmer.
- 7:34Yeah, I think that that's a really youthful yes.
- 7:38And so I really like that. So I just got that.
- 7:40But I did like it specifically because it also had that kind of
- 7:43like a light vanilla scent to it, which I enjoy.
- 7:46Well, I've been on the am lactin train and I it's exfoliating
- 7:53body lotion and it's fragrance free.
- 7:55So, you know, I love that. And I, I thought I wasn't going
- 8:00to like it because I thought I saw it all over social media for
- 8:03women over that are over 50. And I have to tell you, I'm on
- 8:08week number four or five. I mean, I mean, I have
- 8:15definitely seen a difference. You even had people comment
- 8:19like, how did you get your arms like to?
- 8:22And I'm like, am lactin. So am lactin.
- 8:25Yeah, it's, it comes in different strengths.
- 8:28I'm I'll, I'm on the green. Does it have retinol in it?
- 8:31Yes, and I'm on the. Green one, OK.
- 8:36I'm doing the green and white bottle.
- 8:39Because I'm suddenly getting all kinds of things that tell me I
- 8:41need to be putting retinol on my arms.
- 8:43Legs and arms and backs of my legs, like anywhere you get like
- 8:48kind of bumpy, like, you know, the backs of your arms, your
- 8:52elbows, your knees. But I put it all over.
- 8:55I put it everywhere on my stomach.
- 8:57I even have been using it on my neck every single day.
- 9:01And I'm telling you, I, I don't, I don't like a lot of body
- 9:06stuff, but this stuff is really good.
- 9:10So I've been using it. I mean, I still use my other
- 9:13one, the crate control, but to me now this one is just so much
- 9:19smoother. Like it doesn't, it's not sticky
- 9:23at all. And when you live in Florida in
- 9:25the summer, you can't have sticky.
- 9:28No, you cannot have sticky. No, you cannot.
- 9:32All right. Well, that's that's something
- 9:34now that I have to go where I run out and buy.
- 9:36Thanks. Drug store.
- 9:40OK. So we're going to come back and
- 9:44talk about being a people pleaser.
- 9:46And this is something you wanted to talk about because of a
- 9:51current event that's about to happen at the time that we're
- 9:53recording this. You're going to hear it after
- 9:55the fact, but we're well, just hang on.
- 9:58We'll be right back. OK, we are back and today's
- 10:35topic is about being a people pleaser when you are over 50.
- 10:38Not that you shouldn't be trying to be nice to your friends and
- 10:43taking care of them at any age, but there is a point where you
- 10:47stop thinking about really what your needs are and you worry
- 10:51more about pleasing other people than you do.
- 10:54Or sometimes you're worried so much about pleasing people that
- 10:57are extended from you that you don't treat the people closest
- 11:02to you the best. So I mean, there's a lot of
- 11:04different ways to let that get in your own way.
- 11:10Well, of course I found this subject fascinating.
- 11:13Because. Yeah, because of your birthday
- 11:17coming up. We had a whole discussion and I,
- 11:21I saw it from two different points of view.
- 11:25One, it wasn't so much like when you say no to an invitation and
- 11:29you feel guilty about it. It's more like for this, for
- 11:33this, like I was fascinated on why it would bother you if
- 11:38people weren't having fun or they thought it was too hot or
- 11:43you know, that type of stuff. You're not.
- 11:45This isn't about just saying no to an invitation or going out at
- 11:49night or something like that. So of course, you know me, I had
- 11:53to do a little bit of research because I'm not a psychiatrist.
- 11:56I'm not a psychologist and I I loved this because it says
- 12:02putting others first is so you can avoid conflict and keep the
- 12:07peace. So the reason why I say that is
- 12:10because I feel like somewhere along your journey in life, it
- 12:14was just easier for you to avoid conflict and keep the peace.
- 12:18So you just carried that through your entire life and you don't
- 12:22want anyone to rock the boat? You know if someone rocks the
- 12:28boat, then you're not keeping the peace.
- 12:31Makes sense? Yes, yes, so there.
- 12:36OK, So what happened was so yes, I've already turned 60, but
- 12:41coming up this weekend here in our city, we were going to do
- 12:47what we are going to do a get together at the same bar,
- 12:50rooftop bar, where we had an impromptu like 50th birthday.
- 12:55My husband's also turning 60. We're having our 30th
- 12:57anniversary. And then I was talking to my
- 12:59friend Nancy and I said, I I just can't do it.
- 13:02It's cancelled. I just can't do it.
- 13:04And I've explained this in another episode.
- 13:05You know, I just, she's like, you're doing it.
- 13:08I'm going to be in charge of all the people like from our workout
- 13:11group and whatever. So you don't have to feel like
- 13:13you've left anywhere. And I'm on that.
- 13:16And you invite people, you know, through your work and through
- 13:19radio and TV and what have you. And So what I opted to do was
- 13:22just kind of hang a flyer up and, you know, hope that people
- 13:25would just that way. Because here's the thing I'm
- 13:27worried about. I'm worried about hurting
- 13:29feelings of people who didn't hear about it or didn't get
- 13:32invited. And at the same time, I'm
- 13:35worried that people are going to be annoyed that they got
- 13:36invited. OK, but so my question.
- 13:39Is I don't like getting invited to.
- 13:41Things, Well, my question is, first of all, doesn't that get
- 13:45exhausting? Yes, Yes, that's my first
- 13:48question. Yes.
- 13:51And then I'm worried about whether or not they're going to
- 13:53have a good time. And then I'm worried about does
- 13:55this person know a few other people, so if they do come?
- 13:59And also, what if they come early and the people they know
- 14:01come late? OK, this is so good.
- 14:05I can't. And then I said to you, boy, I
- 14:09find this fascinating and maybe that's why I'm a homebody,
- 14:12because I don't have to worry about any of this because I'm
- 14:15such a homebody. But I honestly think also
- 14:20because you just turned 60, that this will eventually really, and
- 14:25now we're being serious, we'll eventually really get
- 14:28exhausting. I think that, you know, you may
- 14:32even find yourself taking a little time to hibernate a
- 14:38little bit and, and not, I don't know, I'm just throwing that out
- 14:42there because I think this would be so exhausting to care so much
- 14:46if someone's having fun, if their friends showed up, if
- 14:49they're hot, what if they, you know, can't find parking?
- 14:52I mean, this fascinates like your face at the Oh no, she
- 14:58didn't think about the parking. So, no, I, I'm not worried about
- 15:02the parking, but then so, OK, I think in your, I think you're so
- 15:07right, because there's going to then be holiday dinners with
- 15:11spouses of my kids or, you know, now we're starting to talk about
- 15:16other, you know, family stuff. You know, it gets, you're right,
- 15:20Exhausting. Well, it gets exhausting and
- 15:22also what I saw in here was people pleasers act out of fear
- 15:28of rejection, not kindness, which I've also found
- 15:32fascinating. That, that tracks to me, because
- 15:35that tracks to me. It says you might think your
- 15:38worth depends on helping others. You may feel guilty when you say
- 15:42no because you take responsibility on how other
- 15:45people feel. And that's where I think in your
- 15:4860s versus your 50s, your 50s, you're kind of learning that
- 15:53you're getting annoyed or you're getting sick of it or you're
- 15:55getting tired of it. But in your 60s, for some
- 15:59reason, and I don't know what that is, you, it's just too
- 16:03exhausting to even do anymore. I mean, but you.
- 16:07But there really is something there.
- 16:09I'm fresh fresh 60. The the thing that you said that
- 16:13that makes really good sense is that it's more fear of rejection
- 16:16than it is out of kindness. Because I'm not trying to
- 16:20suggest that I'm a villain, but you know, I've said this before.
- 16:23I'm like, I think I come off like I'm a lot nicer than I am
- 16:26because my motives may not be as pure as one might think.
- 16:30Like maybe that is what my motives are.
- 16:31Maybe I am worried that someone's going to leave and
- 16:33say, wow, that party was stupid. She threw a stupid party so.
- 16:39But you know what's funny? I, I honestly believe this 100%.
- 16:46I think when people put that much energy into that, what they
- 16:50don't realize is no one's giving your party a second thought
- 16:53after they leave. No one's giving your location
- 16:56where you're having the party a second thought.
- 16:59No one's caring that it's hot outside or any of those things.
- 17:04They're just there to celebrate you and they're just there to
- 17:07have a good time. And I think overthinking things
- 17:12is also exhausting just because you're overthinking, you know
- 17:17what I mean? We need to write that down as a
- 17:19title for a future episode about overthinking.
- 17:22Yes, overthinking is definitely, definitely something right?
- 17:27People do at any age. I mean, whether or not, you
- 17:30know, it's that moment you walk away from a conversation and
- 17:33you're you're trying to reanalyze it when you were just
- 17:36somebody who floated through that person's orbit, right?
- 17:39And. Exactly.
- 17:40And it's one thing to know it, it's another to practice it.
- 17:43Right. And I also believe in what gets
- 17:47exhausting as well is when you go out in public.
- 17:50And This is why I think your home is such a sacred space and
- 17:54should be clutter free and peaceful, because when you go
- 17:58out into the world, you're putting on a mask.
- 18:01Everybody puts on a mask because no one wants to hear about
- 18:06Debbie Downer, you know, Because then no one does want to be
- 18:09around you even when you want to go out because they're like God,
- 18:12she's always complaining or nothing's making her happy.
- 18:17So you put on a mask, even if you're not happy or something
- 18:21went wrong that day or you got in a fight with your husband.
- 18:25Whatever it is, I'm not going to go out and talk about it.
- 18:28So you put your mask on and you go out and have fun.
- 18:31And I think in your 60s, at least for me, it gets
- 18:34exhausting. It really does.
- 18:36It's so tiring because you just don't want to be a different
- 18:41person all the time. And you do it for work as well
- 18:45because you're on air, you're on TV, so you can't, you know, you
- 18:48have to be a certain way. So I think that my hope for you
- 18:53for your 60th birthday is, is that you go and you have a good
- 18:57time and into your 60s, you learn how to say no and not feel
- 19:04bad about it. You learn how to go and really
- 19:06enjoy something and not think someone's thinking something
- 19:10about it because they're not. They're not.
- 19:13And I, I have, I accept that mission, OK?
- 19:17I'm accepting the mission that you just put forth my quest and
- 19:22what I would hope is for those of you ladies that are joining
- 19:24us that are just a fresh 50, that you would not wait until
- 19:29you turned 60 to do that. Let's just go ahead and start
- 19:32that now at whatever age you're at because I'm going to work on
- 19:35that. I'm going to use this as an
- 19:37exercise. Well, I think if people don't
- 19:39work on it, then something happens where they're forced to
- 19:44work on it. Do you know what I mean?
- 19:46Like if you don't do it on your own, something in life happens
- 19:51where you're forced to work on it.
- 19:54So anyway, I'm done with my counseling session.
- 19:57No, that was a good counseling session.
- 19:58Now I know everyone listening is like Eden.
- 20:00You could really use a legit licensed therapist and that has
- 20:05happened. So don't you worry about that
- 20:07either. But.
- 20:08Also, don't you think it is in different stages of life?
- 20:12It's more like life lessons. It is life lessons and people
- 20:16pleasing. If you start to really think
- 20:19about it, I really am going to to glom onto what you said.
- 20:23You know, you have to think about it.
- 20:24Is it people pleasing isn't the same as people helping, You
- 20:29know, accommodating somebody and being overly worried about their
- 20:33their comfort and their good time isn't the same as helping
- 20:37them solve a problem in their life that's a legitimate
- 20:40problem. It's not the same thing at all.
- 20:42So and wait till. You have grandkids, by the way.
- 20:45You're going to be so exhausted, you're not going to care what
- 20:48anyone thinks. You're going to collapse in a
- 20:50bed somewhere. You mean I'm going to start this
- 20:54whole new thing where I'm trying to be all right, You know, spry.
- 20:57Oh, yeah, no, yeah. So reframe the guilt.
- 21:01I I would. Guilt is just the feeling of
- 21:04breaking an old comfortable habit.
- 21:07Look at you, I know you should get a podcast and at that,
- 21:14during that podcast, at the very end, you should give an
- 21:16organizational tip. And so will you do that when we
- 21:18come back? We'll be right back, OK, We are
- 21:26back and Christine is going to please all us people on our
- 21:30people Pleasing episode with an organizational tip.
- 21:33So what do you have? OK, well, women over 50 are
- 21:37often at the stage of life where they're not only dealing with
- 21:41their own sentimental items, but they are inheriting stuff from
- 21:47relatives and aging parents. And they, I feel like women over
- 21:5250 feel like they're obligated to be the keeper of all this
- 21:56stuff. Because they want to, people.
- 21:58Right, because they don't want anyone to get upset.
- 22:01Like you can threaten to throw your kids yearbooks out and
- 22:05sometimes they don't care. They're like fine, do it.
- 22:07But other times they're like, you can't do that.
- 22:10And then you're like, OK, you want to come over and get them
- 22:13and they're like, well, no, I don't have any place for them.
- 22:15So you feel obligated to keep everyone's thing.
- 22:19So my, my thought for this topic when you're trying to avoid
- 22:24guilt and being also being a people pleaser is number one, Do
- 22:31I have a real place for this stuff?
- 22:33That's another thing over 50 people are downsizing.
- 22:37They are going into condos, they're leaving the big house
- 22:41that they raise the kids. And so do you really have the
- 22:45room to store everybody's stuff or are you just storing it and
- 22:49giving up space that you could be using for yourself because
- 22:53you feel guilty telling people to come get their stuff or to
- 22:57sell the stuff that you don't want because you'll feel guilty.
- 23:00So really looking at what is going on in your life when
- 23:05you're storing everybody else's stuff, so #2 does this connect
- 23:10me to that person in a meaningful way or just reminds
- 23:14me that I can't say no? So if you look at this stuff and
- 23:19you're like, I don't even want it, but I can't say no to me,
- 23:22that's something you also need to look at.
- 23:24If you don't want it and it's taking up space in your house,
- 23:28why are you keeping it? Why can't you say no or say I'm
- 23:32getting rid of it, come over and get it or it's going to Goodwill
- 23:37or I'm selling it, whatever you're going to do with it.
- 23:40And the last thing is, is there someone else in the family who
- 23:43would genuinely love this more? And if the answer is no, you
- 23:48have permission to get rid of it or pass it on if they say yes.
- 23:54So I feel like people pleasing effects every part of your life,
- 24:00including your home life and living a clutter free life
- 24:04because a lot of stuff that people keep is just out of
- 24:10guilt. So in other words, if somebody's
- 24:14cousin or sister says I can't believe you threw out Aunt
- 24:17Martha's grandfather clock, you as long as you said to them
- 24:21first who wants this clock? They all said no.
- 24:25Why is it? Why is it yours?
- 24:27Because people feel like they're the keeper of the stuff.
- 24:31And so it isn't your responsibility.
- 24:33You just have to learn to say, I didn't have any place to store
- 24:38it. I took a picture of it and then
- 24:40I let it go. So if you want to see that
- 24:42picture, but I asked and you didn't want it.
- 24:46So I I don't have the room to store everybody's stuff.
- 24:50And it's as simple as that. All right, well, thank you for
- 24:54making it so easy for us to end the show.
- 24:57I know exactly what I'm going to say at the very end.
- 24:58But before we do that, if you have any questions about what
- 25:02Christine just said or you want to talk about being a people
- 25:04pleaser, you just want to please us by, you know, joining our
- 25:08group on Facebook, uncluttered and unfiltered, ladies only.
- 25:12That's our private group, not to be confused with the other
- 25:14social media we have that's open to the public to comment on.
- 25:18And please do share us with just one friend.
- 25:20And in the meantime, if you have Aunt Martha's grandfather clock,
- 25:26you can let it go. And don't look back.