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John Van Deusen · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: I bet I'm not the one you want.
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  Speaker 2: I bet I'm not strong enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm afraid of what you think if you really knew me,
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  Speaker 1: if I get close enough, close enough the same Today,
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  Speaker 1: we've got John van Dusen with us. Really exciting for this. John,
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  Speaker 1: you are an artist that man. Maybe it was like
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where a friend of mine
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  Speaker 1: introduced your music to me and said like, hey, there's
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  Speaker 1: kind of this, like, you know, like Tyson Mantain's Backer
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  Speaker 1: and kind of that group of folks kind of on
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest that are releasing really interesting kind of
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  Speaker 1: indie sometimes folky stuff. And I was like, oh, and
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  Speaker 1: like kind of Tooth and Nail associated to And I'm like, what,
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  Speaker 1: well in the world, I didn't realize Tooth and Nails
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  Speaker 1: kind of dabbling in this like kind of iron and
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  Speaker 1: wine kind of vibe. And I'm like, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 1: And sure enough it's excellent music and you're one of
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  Speaker 1: like my favorites kind of out of that whole scene
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  Speaker 1: of artists. And so I've been looking forward to this
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  Speaker 1: for a while. I know, I think we got this
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  Speaker 1: scheduled maybe like three or four weeks ago, and just
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  Speaker 1: been looking forward to it. So welcome to the Blackshet Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, whow I'm I'm honored to be here. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I do think it's kind of funny
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  Speaker 3: that Mason starts off by calling you iron and wine sounding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this new record does not sound iron and wine at all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's true, the new record does not. But also,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, it's not as if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: like folky stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's very true. And I mean, I think that's part
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  Speaker 2: of the power benefit of being a solo artist who's
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  Speaker 2: not aiming for financial successes. I can do whatever I want,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I think for me, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: I want to make I guess, like you'd say, folk music,
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  Speaker 2: and other times I want to make all rock music.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter. This is whatever I want to make.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, regardless of what you make, Colin
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  Speaker 1: is not a big fan of maybe not necessarily Colin
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  Speaker 1: is a big fan of the music. Probably he's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be a big fan of the name of
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  Speaker 1: your band, not because he's not a fan of John
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  Speaker 1: van Douet, Van Duson Vandusen. Not as if he's not
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  Speaker 1: a fan of John van Dusen the person. But Colin,
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  Speaker 1: you want to like give John a little context around?
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  Speaker 3: Sure? Right, I have gripes around people or bands or
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  Speaker 3: groups that like use their own name for their artistry.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love I love I love Aliases, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's always.
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  Speaker 1: Like can you get behind this, John? Do you understand
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  Speaker 1: the same?
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  Speaker 3: I was the one that that messaged you and said
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  Speaker 3: we definitely have to have John on because this record
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  Speaker 3: kicks ass.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, to preface this, this argument we're about to have, Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I understand. I understand where you're coming from.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, first doesn't really matter to me, like if
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  Speaker 2: the music's good, Like I'm I'm glad that Bob Dylan
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  Speaker 2: made music. And I couldn't care really what he named
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  Speaker 2: his musical project. It's just he writes great songs.
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  Speaker 3: So you think you're Bob Dylan?
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  Speaker 2: I get it, Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean obviously the art from Minnesota, I guess. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that I was in a band for like
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  Speaker 2: a decade called The Lonely Forest, and I play in
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  Speaker 2: a punk band called Buffet, and I play another band
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  Speaker 2: called Telephone Friends. And so for me having a solo
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  Speaker 2: project was one just practical. Also, I actually liked the
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  Speaker 2: fact that as a solo artist, I can shape shift,
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  Speaker 2: but it's all under the umbrella of my name, because
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  Speaker 2: you see my name and you think, like if when
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  Speaker 2: I see somebody's name, usually I'm especially some white guy
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  Speaker 2: with a guitar, like, I can kind of like decide
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  Speaker 2: what I think it's gonna sound like. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that if you listen to the records I've made as
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  Speaker 2: a solo artist, you listen to one, then you too another,
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  Speaker 2: and there they can be pretty different. I personally enjoy
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  Speaker 2: shape shifting underneath that umbrella. Also, I have never sold
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  Speaker 2: a piece of merch like a T shirt, sweatshirt, anything
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  Speaker 2: other than vinyl with my name on it, because that,
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  Speaker 2: I think is messed up. Like I like that, I
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  Speaker 2: am not and I'm not trying to judge friends of
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  Speaker 2: mine like Tyson Monson Baker who sells his shirts with
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  Speaker 2: his name on it, but like, I would never do that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel really uncomfortable selling T shirts with my just
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  Speaker 2: my name on it. It's like, hey, here, buy this
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  Speaker 2: and wear it. That feels pretty backwards to me.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I totally get that. I I appreciate
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  Speaker 3: that part, especially because like you should let not only
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  Speaker 3: your your audio art speak for itself, but also the
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  Speaker 3: visual art that you're putting out there in the world.
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  Speaker 3: And also you don't want to look like a narcissist
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  Speaker 3: while you do it. Not that Tyson Mots and Boxer
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  Speaker 3: totally he is totally one hundred percent of narcissist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he is.
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  Speaker 3: He is one hundred percent taking on that San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: You know when when you hang out with John Foreman,
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  Speaker 1: that's just bound.
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  Speaker 2: What a dick that guy is.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly Okay. Speaking of your T shirts though, he's
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  Speaker 1: literally you might he's yeah, listener, he's very first, he's
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  Speaker 1: rather great. Speaking of your T shirts and your name
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  Speaker 1: not being on them, what is on them is pure
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  Speaker 1: awesomeness because they are some of my favorite artist T
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  Speaker 1: shirts I think I've ever seen, like just in terms
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  Speaker 1: of like the whole collective. I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 1: one that any one of them that is like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's my favorite like artist T shirt ever, But as
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  Speaker 1: a whole collection, they are cool as ship. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: my good friend or Colin and I is good friend
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  Speaker 1: Dan Cooke, which I don't know if you know Dan
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. But I was just hanging out with him
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  Speaker 1: last month and he had one of your shirts, and
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  Speaker 1: I even commented him like and again like I knew
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  Speaker 1: you as an artist, but I never knew like the
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  Speaker 1: T shirts side, and so I was like who, and
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  Speaker 1: again like obviously your name wasn't on it, So I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what that is such a sick shirt, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: It almost reminds me of like maybe like a hardcore
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  Speaker 1: like a really artsy hardcore punk artist or whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: he's like, no, it's like it's it's John van Deusen
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  Speaker 1: van duzen H And he just makes really good indie
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  Speaker 1: folk music. Come like, I know John, but like I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize that his hit like you almost literally this
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  Speaker 1: might be a little kind of out of left field,
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  Speaker 1: but honestly, your T shirt designs remind me of something
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  Speaker 1: I would see off of like a Death Wish Records
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  Speaker 1: band or something like. It's just kind of this artsy
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  Speaker 1: hardcore thing, and I love I think it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: I think I growing up here in the Northwest, especially
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  Speaker 2: in Ana Chortus, there's a lot of diy experimental music
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of the artists that I've grown up
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  Speaker 2: around are pretty obsessed with black metal and just noise
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  Speaker 2: music in general, and so the aesthetic tends to be
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  Speaker 2: one that leans towards darker merch stuff that kind of
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  Speaker 2: looks like it belongs in the metal or punk world.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think I just grew up around that
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  Speaker 2: esthetic and I love it. And my my bar for
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  Speaker 2: creative work across the board is basically, I make merch
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  Speaker 2: that I want to wear. I make music that I try,
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  Speaker 2: I should say, I try to make music that I
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  Speaker 2: would want to listen to. And my goal when making
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  Speaker 2: a record is I want to make the record that
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  Speaker 2: nobody else is making that I wish somebody else would make,
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  Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, nobody's doing it, so I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do it. So I guess I just I would
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  Speaker 2: wear that shirt. I think I know the one Dan
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  Speaker 2: was probably wearing. He has a couple, And was it
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  Speaker 2: the one that has like the dead Saint on it
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  Speaker 2: and the red writing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the coolest one.
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  Speaker 1: I think that. I think that might be the one
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  Speaker 1: I have to double.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm glad you like the T shirts. Visual aesthetic
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  Speaker 2: is very important to me, and I album covers T shirts.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter what it is, I care very
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  Speaker 2: deeply about it.
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  Speaker 3: Looks I did get I think that's I think that's
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  Speaker 3: actually why I gave you a chance. When I saw
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  Speaker 3: the promo for How Anthem Sprinter Come Come Through, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, all right, I've seen I've seen the album
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  Speaker 3: art for his other his other stuff, all good, but
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't quite enough to get me over the line,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to get past that name. So I looked.
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  Speaker 3: I finally looked at it, and uh, yeah, your your
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  Speaker 3: album RT Anthem from Anthem Sprinter is what got me in.
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  Speaker 2: So that's I mean, you nailed it. Thank you. I
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  Speaker 2: love to hear that. I mean, as you said, you guys,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are punk and hardcore metal guys, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like most of what you're talking about here is like
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming, very loud, aggressive music. And I think there
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  Speaker 2: have been times as a solo solo artist where I
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  Speaker 2: played with the band and people take one look at
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  Speaker 2: me and they think they're getting like death Gaffcuitie, which
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  Speaker 2: is cool. I like death Gafcutie actually toured with death Gaffrickettie. There.
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  Speaker 2: I I appreciate them, but then we play and we
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  Speaker 2: are like yeah, right, and we are louder. We are
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  Speaker 2: louder than like the hardcore band. That makes me feel
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  Speaker 2: very good. Like i'd say, I like being a I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I just enjoy that feeling of taking catching
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  Speaker 2: people by surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Sure that I love that. Yeah. I love seeing like
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  Speaker 1: kind of more indie type of bands that actually, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: like The National kind of has this vibe where their shows,
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  Speaker 1: and especially early on, maybe maybe it's a little less
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  Speaker 1: so since they've blown up so much, but their shows
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  Speaker 1: early on almost felt like a punk rock show just
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  Speaker 1: because like Matt would get out in the crowd and
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  Speaker 1: he would scream sometimes, and like they would create so
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  Speaker 1: much feedback on their guitars. It almost felt like a
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  Speaker 1: punk rock show. But it was like, you know, almost.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of yeah, probably more like new wave kind of sound, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And And so I love when I'm like
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  Speaker 1: surprised by a band that I know, like on a
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  Speaker 1: studio album, they kind of have this sound that I love.
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  Speaker 1: But then you're you're sort of taken aback by the
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  Speaker 1: way that they are live where it's like, wow, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the vibe that was expecting, and I actually love
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  Speaker 1: it yet more.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good feeling. I probably the most punk rock
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  Speaker 2: show I ever saw. Do you remember Odd Future, which
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  Speaker 2: was Tyler Tyler Tyler The creators like collective, So I
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  Speaker 2: saw them right at the beginning, and that show it
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  Speaker 2: had so much more of like a hardcore energy than
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  Speaker 2: hardcore shows shows I had seen. And it just proved
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  Speaker 2: to me that, like, sometimes it's not even always about
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  Speaker 2: the music that makes it punk. In my opinion, it's
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  Speaker 2: almost punk is a philosophy, Punk is an attitude. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, if I, if I thought about it,
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  Speaker 2: I could probably probably remember some other shows where I saw.
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  Speaker 3: Homeless gospel choir. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: that that sounds cool, sounds chaotic, It's really not.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a dude playing punk music on
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  Speaker 3: an acoustic guitar and it oh cool, rips, it gets
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  Speaker 3: it gets its real quick, so it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, anyways, thanks for taking a chance on my music.
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  Speaker 2: That was really nice of you, and I'm yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, and let's let's be honest. Uh, this is this
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  Speaker 3: is a fantastic record.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I I really have been listening to it a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It is so catchy and I feel like these songs
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  Speaker 3: are I don't know you very well, but I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I know you pretty well now. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 3: lie like they feel very, very very personal, but a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them are like a very universal kind of
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  Speaker 3: personal if that makes sense to you. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: like I could. I could put myself in just about
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  Speaker 3: every single one of these songs, and I feel I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I'm right there, and I think that's fantastic songwriting.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what what great songwriting should do is is
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  Speaker 3: be universal but also very very very personal at the
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  Speaker 3: same time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. That means a lot to me. They are
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  Speaker 2: very old songs, a lot of them. And I actually
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  Speaker 2: asked Tooth and Nail Records to shelve this record. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if this is true, but I was told that.
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  Speaker 2: I I was told that I was probably the only
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  Speaker 2: artist in Toothnail history to ask them to shelve a record.
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  Speaker 3: And how long did you shelve it for?
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  Speaker 2: Not long? Maybe like a few months. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: When I signed with Toothnail as a licensing deal, where
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  Speaker 2: I went into the studio recorded like twenty four songs
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  Speaker 2: with this producer, Andy D. Park who you might know
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  Speaker 2: from he's done like Page of the Lion, maybe some
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  Speaker 2: other music you might do. He We recorded basically two
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  Speaker 2: albums in nine days, and we split it in half,
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  Speaker 2: and Tooth and Nail licensed both of those records. The
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  Speaker 2: first one came out years ago and the second one.
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  Speaker 2: They were so casual with me. They're like, basically, whenever
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  Speaker 2: you want, we'll release it, and so I knew it
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  Speaker 2: would come out eventually, and I just kind of kept
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  Speaker 2: vacillating between do I want to release this? Do I
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  Speaker 2: not want to release this? And they were really patient
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  Speaker 2: and really gracious, and finally I landed on I removed
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  Speaker 2: one song in particularly that just felt too raw to
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  Speaker 2: me still because as you already pointed out, it's a
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  Speaker 2: really personal record. It's essentially a breakup record. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of songs about relational turmoil and depression and you know,
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  Speaker 2: even like suicidal tendencies. I mean, it's just like a
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  Speaker 2: heavy record. And so I removed two songs and it
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  Speaker 2: just felt a little bit better, and I asked my
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  Speaker 2: spouse of fourteen almost fifteen years and just said, look,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna hear these songs. We're gonna be teleported back
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  Speaker 2: to a decade ago when our life was actually really rough.
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? And we had to
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  Speaker 2: talk that through because music is powerful and it When
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  Speaker 2: I hear these songs, I literally feel like I'm teleported
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  Speaker 2: in time, and so anyways, I had to weigh that
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  Speaker 2: the pros and cons of it. Is it worth it
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  Speaker 2: if it makes my wife pressed, Like, no, it's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: not so, And.
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  Speaker 3: It's worth the It's worth the hundreds of dollars you're
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  Speaker 3: going to make.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those those checks I get from tooth and nail.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, But in the end, what you said
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  Speaker 2: is true and important to me. It's that you released
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  Speaker 2: something out into the world. It's personal, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: so hyper specific that like you can't relate to it,
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  Speaker 2: and then the songs take on their own meaning to you.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I could ask for. Like that that actually
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  Speaker 2: does That's exactly what I was hoping would happen.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I love it. I almost like think of
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  Speaker 3: it in the vein of like Gordon Lightfoot, Bruce Springsteen
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  Speaker 3: and Tom Petty, Like it's like that's like that style
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  Speaker 3: of writing, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, I mean, yeah, if I think
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  Speaker 2: I've only ever heard one Gordon Lightfoot song.
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  Speaker 3: What he's like the Minnesota you're from Minnesota initially, and
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  Speaker 3: you've only heard one Gordon Lightfoot.
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  Speaker 2: They have like a really long song that's really he's got.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a few of them. Yeah, record the Edmond
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  Speaker 3: Fitzgerald of course.
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  Speaker 2: It might be ah better, had better go go listen? Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, right now.
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  Speaker 1: You're ending the interview. Okay, put on Spotify.
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  Speaker 3: Alright, well now interrupted you.
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  Speaker 2: Apple Music, Apple Music guys.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we're going to Apple Music now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because it's going to pay all these artists you're
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  Speaker 2: interviewing like quite a bit better.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh great, all right, well Apple Music. Colin doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have an iPhone? Is in YouTube music.
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  Speaker 3: Actually the best one for pay? Yeah, maybe that's what
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  Speaker 3: I use.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go, Apple Music and YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: You can get a whole extra You heard it here
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  Speaker 3: from eighteenth of a cent from me.
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  Speaker 1: There you go on here. Do you know how much
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  Speaker 1: money you're paying for one of his you're paying for
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  Speaker 1: one bean?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, one bean in the Breakfast Talkers they're making upstairs
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  Speaker 2: that I don't get to eat now because this interview
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  Speaker 2: is so along, so long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know how.
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  Speaker 2: Much money an artist makes on average from one million
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  Speaker 2: streams on Spotify.
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  Speaker 1: I think it isn't only like nine dollars.
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  Speaker 2: It's more than that.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it like.
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  Speaker 2: Only like a five thousand dollars from a million stream
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  Speaker 2: that's if the pay isn't being diluted to management in
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  Speaker 2: all these different places, which almost yeah. Probably. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 2: be clear, really grateful and people stream my music. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you if you listening to this, if you're streaming on Spotify,
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  Speaker 2: God bless you. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: That being sincere.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. All right, guys, what's next?
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  Speaker 1: So one of the other things that felt maybe a
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  Speaker 1: little different from this album, not not to say that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: this didn't exist in previous albums, but in this particular album,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: there is kind of more of a alt rock vibe,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: it seems like, And I'm just curious, like maybe why
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: that direction for you, Like, what was it more that
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you just wanted to explore those sounds more. Did you
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: feel like maybe lyrically that alt rock was more resonant
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: with with the album vibe? I'm just really curious Abrown,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: like the decision making process of kind of maybe more
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: focusing on an alt.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Rock Yeah, Now that's a really great question, because of
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the songs were older. So the chorus to Comeback record
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I wrote when I was fourteen and I'm thirty seven,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: so to give you some perspective, right, and when I
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: was a teenager, I was listening to you know, Foo
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Fighters in Nirvana, a lot of normal alt rock, but
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: also you know ninety nine two thousand thousand and one
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: thousand and two. It was like the kind of the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: mall rock explosion, right hot topic. I was discovering lots
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: of pop punk bands, lots of radio because of where
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I lived. I live an hour and a half north
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: of Seattle, so I was getting all of Seattle's rock music,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: but also Vancouver, BC's rock music. So I was just
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: like saturated at that age with radio rock, like basically
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: all radio rock across the board. And I think when
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I started recording this record, and when we began to
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: track guitars and drums especially, I wanted it to kind
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: of sound like the music I was listening to when
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I was playing music in a garage with my friends.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: In the garage smelled like cigarettes, and I wanted to
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: kind of sound the way it felt when two thousand
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: thousand and one thousand and two were hitting for me,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and I wish I was a skateboarder, but I wasn't,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and like it was just such a moment in time,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and also were my tastes. They hadn't been refined yet,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: So like I was just as likely to put on
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: an incubist record as I was something that maybe now
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: as I'm older, I might consider a little bit more cool.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: But what I've learned and as I've gotten older, is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that what's cool is just liking what you like. So anyways,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: as I was, as I was putting the record together,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I just I wanted it to have this feeling and
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to kind of create a feeling that I would have
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: gotten when I was seventeen, eighteen nineteen listening to all
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: rock music and maybe even earlier like fifteen sixteen. And
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: that's really it's as simple as that. I also barchoards,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: like there are riffs on this record, but there's no
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: guitar solos. I wanted it to feel like I was seventeen,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like playing like plugging my Gibson SG through a really
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: terrible distortion pedal or a rap pedal, you know what
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yeah, totally, So that was probably too long
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: of an answer, but that is that is my head
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: spaces I made the record, So.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: No, that's a great answer. I'm I'm kind of curious,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Like you've sit on a song that long, do you
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: change anything or do you do you allow like like
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: your modern perspective to kind of come in and like
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: re shape how that song is going to feel and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: all that stuff.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, because it still has to resonate with me emotionally.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So like fourteen year old John's pretty far removed from
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: however old I was in twenty eighteen when we recorded this,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: But like my thing was that for so long, So
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: with the Lonely Forest to spand I was in. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: wrote too many songs, so many songs that my band
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: members couldn't keep up with the demos. They would just
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: pick John. There's too many. And we signed to an
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: imprint of Atlantic and then we were gonna be on
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Atlantic Records proper, and basically I was writing for that
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: future release that never happened. So I had tons of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: songs sitting around, and some of them were just songs starts,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: so like a chorus or a pre chorus or riff.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And so I've gotten pretty good at repurposing things that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: have sat on the shelf for a long time. So
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: comeback record. You have a chorus when I was fourteen,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You have verses and pre choruses I wrote when I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: was probably twenty years old. Then you have that loud
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: outro that gets kind of crazy and noisy, the crazy
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: drums that would have been twenty nineteen, so not maybe
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: five years ago. So I just staple them together like
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a collaj.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I love that. That's such a strange thing. That's a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: luxury that I think a lot of writers don't really
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: take advantage of, right, I mean, like you can do that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: There's no one stopping you. You just got to hang
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: out of the same notebook for a long time. That's
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a tough part.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: You do well, And that's the discipline of demoing. Like
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: anytime a young artist asks me, or a songwriter or
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: singers like, what should I be doing? Like, just learn
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: to record your own songs, even if it's lo fi
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: on a tape cassette recorder. Capturing moments and keeping them
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: around has been really helpful for me.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you end up recording like all the or
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: most of the I am Orgami stuff? Prior to recording
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this then, because you said that this album was recorded
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and some of the I Am Orgami
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: stuff that was like even up until like what twenty
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: twenty two or something. Yeah, like did you end up
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: like recording this album in twenty eighteen and then just
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like when you say literally shelved, like you literally shelved
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it ended up going into like other music that you've
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: been doing over the last number of years, and then
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: now have finally like took this off the back burner
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: now like have put it out, Like I is that
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: literally what you? Yeah?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: So I recorded the first two I Am Moregami albums,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: then I went to the studio and recorded these twenty
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: four songs. Half of those became the third Orgami record
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and the other half became a printer which sat around that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: So that means I recorded a hardcore punk record with Buffet,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a pop rock record of Telephone Friends, the fourth Orgami,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: a Christmas record in between the release of Anthe Sprenter.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Love that that's so weird. I mean, it's it's really interesting.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's a weird choice, no, no doubt,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: but it is. It is such an interesting way to
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: go about there because it probably feels like everything's almost
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: kind of brand new again, even though.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: For very for one week. For one week, it feels
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: brand new, and then I'm like, oh my god, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: never again will I listen to me so much? I think.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Do you guys play video games? Okay?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You probably more than I do, Hellen, the last video
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: game I played was Mad in two thousand and eight.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, so butt out, Mason, Yeah, get out
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of here.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll let you be.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is I've never had this thought
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of my life, and what better time to share it
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: than on the recording of a podcast.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you know.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: How, in a really good open world game, think of
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like Grand theft Ato five, you you can traverse the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: open world, and even though it only takes you like
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: ten or fifteen minutes to drive from one end to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the other, it feels like you've traversed an entire continent, right, yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: because you've got mountains and a city, and you've got
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to each and a desert and all these different things.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I view my discography as a solo artist. Similarly, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: want someone to start at the beginning and go through
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: these records if they have the patience and they want
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to and to feel like they've traversed a continent. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: so to me, it doesn't matter when Anthem Spinner comes out.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It could have come out a decade from now. All
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it's doing is adding a landscape to my little world
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: that I'm creating. And sure, I what I want is
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: for after I'm long dead. Let's say there's thirty people
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: still listening to my music. I want one of those
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: thirty to share it with someone else, for them to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: discover one of the records and be like, this is good.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I want to know what else there is for them
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to take kind of like a deep dive into the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: discography and be really kind of excited at like the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: breath or the like spectrum of sound and ideas. So
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that's I obsess over that. I think about it. Yeah
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: What landscape in the John van Duzen world he break
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: into a car and then rip them out of the car.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: What what? What album is that one?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Which one do you? Which one do you run over? Prostitutes?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Is what Masonry ask.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Probably the Buffet record, because there's some like okay.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Well you had to clearly you've thought about that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean Buffet is full of like pacifists, and like
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: half the record is about like just eating food. But
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I will say there is some like like minor threat
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: style hardcore in there, and it feels aggressive, So I
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: would say that's that's the that's the.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Word makes sense. I love that you've actually.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Or the Christmas Record because I'd be really weird and surreal.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like an open world that you can
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: traverse and you can experience lots of different sites and sounds.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and run people over with the.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Fires yeah yeah, or fly something to the top of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a skyscraper, jump off the plane on top the skyscraper,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and then shoot rockets from the skyscraper down on the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: city streets.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Not that you were speaking from absolute experience.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: This is literally the first thing you do.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, yeah, no, It's been a while since
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I've played Grand Theft. Thought, Oh, but if I did,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: that would be the first thing I did.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: That makes sense. I mean, it's it's what all of
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: us would do.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mason doesn't get it because I plays madd in
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, So yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: You know, your choice.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: The the the landscape of Madden. It's you know, it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: just goes from uh, the Seattle Seahawks Stadium to you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: met Life Stadium to you know whatever. It's just it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it's a little a little less a little less adventurous,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: i'd say, but uh, it is fun to stiffun does
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: your does your.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Musical taste mirror your terrible video game.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Taste or it definitely doesn't.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Well I'm just kidding, fortunately not. I mean Madden, I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: think it was Mad in two thousand and seven had
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: under a song on it, So that's gotta come for it,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: really does.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: There was a while where those those EA sports games
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: had really good sinks, lots of good music.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Sure, well, especially m VP Baseball. It was all this
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: indie stuff. It was really, actually really great. I actually
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: still listening.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: To a lot of games going on.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: They did, okay, I was never a soccer guy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Gosh, they were so such good soundtracks. That's where Phoenix
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: got big, like the band Phoenix.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You remember that really on FIFA.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I think that probably happened to a good number of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: bands that definitely. Yeah, anyways, I would I'm sorry, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm I came to this blind and I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: really just ruining our interview.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: No, like this is this is all of our interviews are.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Man, I called you, Josh. I don't know why why
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you're thinking that you're ruining it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: We're just having a blast man.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, good, okay, good.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Don't don't think it's you, it's us.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: It is you. Guys. You know that your your frame
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Mason looks like a school photo. At least mine does,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: because it's because of that back.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Nobody nobody said that. But I totally get it, because
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I get the little background and everything. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I I love that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: When he changes the color to red, he looks like
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: a demon and it's pretty funny.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah I do. Yeah, I can. I can change the colors.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's just a it's just an RBG light pointing out
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a white wall.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I've got this. This guy here, who is that?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I was gonna ask that earlier.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: That's my great great great great grandfather.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Is that Robert E.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Lee? Wow? What was his name? Justice Van dus and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Rinse Van God, you were a Dutch as hell.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's the deal. I thought I was Dutch as
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: hell and then I did the DNA like ancestry dot
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Com thing. It turns out I'm like four percent Dutch
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and then most mostly just like German and English.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: And are you no check? You seem checked to me?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what a Czech person
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: is supposed to be, like.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been to Have you ever been to
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Czech Republic? No, it's beautiful, you should go.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Well, Czech Republic doesn't exist anymore?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So Czechoslovakia.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: No, it's called chechia.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: No czecher Czech Republic exists.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think they call it check for the UN for
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the uneducation? Is that? Where is that? Where Prague is?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Nogue is in Switzerland?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Prague is in Czech Republic also known as.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Also known as Czech Republic. Yeah, so like now, I'm
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a geography teacher. So in the geography world they only
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: say you're allowed to say chechia anymore?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Which is strange?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Wow? Is it like a more politically correct one? I
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: have no idea.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have not looked into it
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: enough to take to to know. But I also probably
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: haven't cared enough. And that's not me you should I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: need I need to do some soul searching on that one.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think you do. I think you're okay.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I think that the fact that you knew that you're
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: ahead of the game, I I would say you should
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: visit Prague. Prague is an incredible.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: City I played. I played a game where I went
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: to Prague once FIFA, No, it was uh, okay, John,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe you know this because you have played games. It
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: sounds like Indiana Jones uh ex original Xbox game. Have
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you have you played that? I don't remember which.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Game it was called, but I haven't played an Indiana
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Jones game in a very long time, and I did
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: not play the Xbox one. That sounds fun.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It was. It was a very good game. And you
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: go to Prague and you get to traverse the city.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: It's quite fun.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: That sounds cool.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Anyways, we don't even to talk about video games. I
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: just yeah, I don't know. Why how do we get
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: on Prague? We are really?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You told me I looked like I was from Chech
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: from Chech yet Oh.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's not me. That's not me. I need
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: to do some soul searching.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: About that one.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: There you go. Do we have more good questions about
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the album?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: We don't even talk about the record.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Oh I love them. I love the record. It's great
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: album cover for this one.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, yes, where.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Did you get this idea? Because it's such a cool picture.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: It is, it's a it's a lovely illustration my dad.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: When I was younger, my dad would read me this
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: book before bed called Danger like danger with an exclamation point,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and it was about dangerous animal encounters and it scared
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: me a lot.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, do you have pictures?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, So every other chapter had an illustration, and they
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: were all of that kind of like hyper realistic illustration
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: that you see on the cover of Anthem Spinner.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: It's like old school nature is metal Instagram.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly. And so because so much of this
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: record was kind of about connecting with my younger self
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and thinking about fear and like what I was afraid of,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and thinking about how when I was younger, I was
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: fairly chaotic and I was often the like the antagonist
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: in my own story. So I was often kind of
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: afraid of myself even the trajectory of my life. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: would think about where I was headed and I would
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: get kind of scared. And so when I was pondering
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: album covers, I just wanted something that felt scary to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: me personally. I found I saw that book on my
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: dad's shelf and I picked it up and I was
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: flipping through the illustrations and that one of the you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: guy getting mauled by the lion was there. And then
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the back of the LP actually has a similar picture
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: of a grizzly bear like attacking a hunter, and and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I collaged it so it's just like a collage cut
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: out on a black background. And then I did the lettering.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: And it was an accident at first, have the paw
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: covering up the lettering, and it just felt so good,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: yeah to have that, oh yeah. And so it just
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: kind of came together really quickly.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: And so you tell yourself you did you did the
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: album artwork yourself?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't do that illustration. I didn't draw I
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: didn't draw the lion. I just collaged the image out
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and then did the letter Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I got you, I got you.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Is it is it the exact image or is it
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: like or is it like a rendition?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: No, it's the exact image straight from the book collaged.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, okayang sick. That's incredible.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it because it it's similar to what
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: we're talking about T shirts. But if I saw that
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: record cover at a vinyl store, I want to buy it,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: or at least I would want to know how it sounded.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And I like that it doesn't say my name anywhere
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: on the front, right.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Uh. Another question I had was are you a Star
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Wars fan?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I like Star Wars.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: For your music video, were you trying to make a Java?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: No, but the reference isn't lost on me, Like it
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: kind of looks like a wookie Jaua Jawa.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Well, according according to the New Mandalorian season, the Jauas
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: are furry underneath.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Oh are they?
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Oh?
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say they're first they're.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Fur, but they are furry underneath their cloaks.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So I didn't know that. There's a video for the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: song whatever makes you mind where I'm wearing the same
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: creature outfit. Yes, And the whole idea is that it's
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like it's like an evil spirit, It's like demonic. It's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: like I'm haunted by this thing that that is clearly
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: otherworldly and should you set you, they should give you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: a sense of unease. Of course, in that video, you
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: realize that, like I am the creature hunting myself. So yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: not a not a direct Star Wars reference. I just
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: wanted something that if you actually saw it in the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: woods at night, you would be like if you didn't terrified. Yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and and truly in the dark and in low light.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: It is a very scary looking costume. Like I've considered
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: wearing it for Halloween or like walking around the because
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I live right by the forest. I've considered, like, what
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: would it be like if I just like stood in the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: woods as hikers and I thought, you'll get shot? Yeah, exactly,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I would get shot or I would very much so
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: scared scare somebody.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we'd get another one of those blurry Bigfoot videos.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Yes'd be a wild, wild way to go about things.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: That'd be kind of fun.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: It would be unless I got shot, and that would
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: be a cool way to go.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: How how old is your child?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: He turns five in January.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Have you scared him shitless yet?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: No? No, he's so sensitive, so I would.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: So he's a very good He's very good, that's what
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: you're saying. He's a very good boy.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: He's a great boy.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: So he doesn't need to be scared to death by anything.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: No, And he's already scared of a lot, like the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: world is scary place to him. Sure, so I wouldn't
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: want to have.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You introduced him with the eternal conscious torment.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: No, we haven't talked about hell. If you were to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: ask me about Hell, I would give him an honest
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: answer and say, you know what, buddy, I don't I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: think that whatever happens after this life is good. I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be okay. I think it's gonna be
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: You're gonna turn into a pain.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: When I was five years old, I was already going
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to hell houses on Halloween.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Nights for real, in like evangelical like yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah those yeah, and everyone gets a tract before
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: and after.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I mean I remember them because I know of them.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: But I absolutely grew up in a religious household that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: was I want to say, I grew up in a
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: fairly healthy religious environment. And so I don't think my
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: parents would never have They never would have done that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Go parents, universals live.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: We see the rainbow behind you, all right.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I know you know this blanket, but my wife bought
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: this blanket in Mexico the week we met. I was sixteen,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: she was eighteen.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It is a beautiful blanket.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Hey, going back to that, younger, go back to that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of curious how how it was taken
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: by your wife because the new album, I should say,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: because a lot of these songs, you know, as you said,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: kind of kind of dug up some of those old emotions,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: old feelings. Yeah, how did she take it? Did she
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: see it as a as a like a like, look
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: how far we've come? Or was it like, oh man,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: now we're gonna we're gonna really fall into this for
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: a moment, or or how'd it go?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Well? She probably actually hasn't a lot, hasn't had a
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: lot of time to even think about it, because because
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: our kids are a lot of work for her, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I don't lean into my record releases as if it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the only thing happening in our world. And that partly
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: because I'm a fairly casual music maker. I'm not, like
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I already said, I'm not really like swinging for the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: fences here, So when I release the record, it's like, yep,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: it's out. What's the next thing we're gonna do? So
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we haven't been living in like anthem sprinter world here
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: at the vandu zom Home. I would say that if
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: when she hears the songs, she's had enough time and
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: space that she's probably like, yeah, okay, I can hear this.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: If I was playing them on repeat, she'd probably say
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: eventually like, hey, can we listen to something else? But
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I will say what you said that, look, how far
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: we've come is very real for us. We like, I'm
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: not just saying this on a regular basis. We look
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: at each other and we express like a gratitude for
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: where we are and just the fact that we're still
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: married and that we have kids, and that we like
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: each other, and it's actually better now than it's ever been.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: So in light of that reality, it makes anthem Sprinter
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: easier to listen to. And this sounds trite. I can
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: hear my kids crying upstairs. This this sounds trite, but
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it's true. Without those harder times, I don't know if
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: we'd be as grateful as we are now, right, And
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: so it's true with our kids, like we had multiple miscarriages,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and so when I hold my one year old daughter,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: in light of the miscarriages, I'm so grateful to have
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: her right And I think in a similar way, we
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: would agree that it's the same with our story. Like
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the first three years of our marriage were so rough.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like we went through more in those years
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: than a lot of married couples go through in the
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: first like ten. And so it's almost like we've run
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: a marathon and we're like high fiving each other that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: we're still here, you know.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: What I mean. That's good, good for you.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: So then you're like, all right, by the way, honey,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: this album's about to come out now that we're at
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: our best place.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe I mean just the fact that I
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: removed songs like shows like I Don't and and one
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: of tho songs in particular my A and R guy
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: at Tooth was like, dang, that's like my favorite song.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, well, sorry, it's gonna come out
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: on an album that you record next year, that'll come
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: out in twenty thirty four.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what it will. It will not come out.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And it was a lonely four song, Like we played
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it at bonn Aaroo and we played it at festivals.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: We just never recorded it. Well.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: One of the things that as you were talking about,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: like a lot of just life has happened since you
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: first made these songs and then even recorded them six
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: years ago. And one of the things that's kind of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: been a common theme in a lot of your music
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: is very much just being like really honest about your faith.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm just really curious to, like here kind of
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: maybe where you're at in that, Like you know, what,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: what are maybe the things that maybe specifically in this
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: album or maybe you know, knowing that this album was
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: written so long ago, like how you maybe reflect on
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the faith aspects of what was written knowing that it's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: many years since, you know, wherever you were in your
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: faith at that point many years ago to where you're
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: at now. So I'm just curious, like just where you
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: see that journey has taken you just specifically run your faith?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't, So I grew up in a Christian home,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and I discarded what I would call like cultural Christianity.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: When I was probably eighteen, I took like an intro
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: to a philosophy course and asked a bunch of hard
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: questions and realized how flimsy and my foundation of belief was.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So I, oh, yeah, I don't believe that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And I think it just.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Grown up late teens, early twenties, I realized I do
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: believe in a higher power, and so when I was
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: writing a lot of these songs, I was sensitive to faith.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: But what was true of who I was is that
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't like who I was and who I was becoming.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until maybe twenty twelve the Lonely Forest,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: we were two weing. It's actually one specific tour we
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: were toured. It was a jaeger Meister tour with this
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: band called Portugal Demand, and we came home and I, yeah, yeah,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I get yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Sure, But it also I just found out recently they're
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: from Alaska. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: of another band from the.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Two of them are. And then they relocated maybe to
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Portland or something. But anyways, the point is it was
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a very specific time and place with me, like Jaegermeister
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and with Portugal, and just like anyways, I remember coming
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: home from that tour and being like, oh my god,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: something has to change in my life, like I can't
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: keep the trajectory. Trajectory I was on was like one
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: of destruction essentially. So I just had this and it
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: would would have been right when I would have been
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: writing some of these songs like you have the song
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: My Regret as a Pit Yeah, off the record, I
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: was writing that about that time my life. Anyways, I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: came home from that tour and it just changed my
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: perspective on what I wanted for myself. And I started
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: praying very differently because at that point I had kind
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: of decided I was a Christian, but my beliefs weren't
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: producing any type of change in me. And that freaked
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: me out as somebody who was raised in a Christian
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: home and I was told, like, you believe in Jesus
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and then you become this this other you're born again.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: And I was kind of like, well, I don't feel
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: like anything's happening here, Like what's the deal. So I
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: started praying differently, basically started praying very seriously like, Okay, God,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: if you're real, you can do whatever you want in
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: my life. I'm not kidding. That was my prayer. I
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: was like, what do you want, man, if you're real
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: up there, if you really love me, if all this
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: stuff that I believe is true, like I'm kind of
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: now ready for you to just take charge, And very
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: seriously my life began to change. It. I began to
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: experience very real fruitfulness or results for lack of lack
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: of a better term. So that's kind of when my
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: faith journey became real to me, and it changed my
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: entire trajectory of my life, saved my marriage. That's why
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I stopped touring, and that's why the lonely forest kind
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of imploded. And since that time, it's just been a
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: really good, like slow and steady deepening of that belief.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: And when I write music now, some of it's about
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: my faith and the moments, and it actually happens, especially
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: when I'm making really loud music about my faith, which
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I think is an interesting detail, really noisy, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: like guitar through fuzz pedal put the guitar up against
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the amp and it creates like the grossest guitar noise ever.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I genuinely feel like I like there are moments where
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like I was made to do this, Like I
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: love making music that reflects my belief, I think probably
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: because it it's not about me anymore in that moment.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And so I'm and I actually believe that that we
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: are created to worship, and so I don't even know
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: what you guys believe, but I'm just saying like it is.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It's been a long journey for me, but as a creative,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: like I have moments of almost bliss where I am
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: just making noise and it feels so sacred. That could
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: also be why listening to anthem Sphinner can be hard
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: for me, because it reflects the time in my life
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: where my music was It was therapeutic, but I was
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: still obsessed with this idea of success, Like I was
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: making music to accomplish some idea of success that I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: had like created for myself when I was younger.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Does that answer your question?
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: That's good? Yeah, that's very good.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, love that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: That might be the most genuine response to a question
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: similar to that that I've heard on this podcast.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I would say it's probably third genuine.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is the third most genuine.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Cool, I'm very third is great. Thanks.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: You said you're not swinging for the fences.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm not. And if unless the fence is making
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: music and art I like, then then I'm swinging for
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the fences.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Fortunately these are little League.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, terrible taste.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Uh, John, you ready for your top five most influential albums? Actually,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I know you're probably not because you got to think
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: of these.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One se I have a couple of them, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can truly if I can
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: truly answer then all.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: No one ever can.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: That's okay, Wait, really it can always change.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean our Jason and I have changed probably
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: every year, no problem, sometimes a month and months, sometimes
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: week to week.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think there's like a I'm sure there's like
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: a core maybe like three or whatever, but there's like
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: maybe like two that might get switched in and out.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, so I thought you were kind of asking
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: more like historically, Yeah, yeah, like as I grew up
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: or like as I was formed.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like so you know how like as as time
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: goes on you you kind of have like revisionous history
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: about your own life. Yeah, about what albums maybe meant
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the most to you or like changed how you viewed
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: things or changed your belief system or changed how you
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: do things musically. Like yeah, so like they can, Yeah,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: they can change. Like Mason said, usually like a core three,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: and then there's usually two that are maybe a little
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: bit more a little bit more recent that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: That tend to that. Yeah, that can be like maybe
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: interchanged with like a number of you know, another five
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: or whatever. You know.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I think for me, the metric is like what if
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I listened to recently that like I cried too, because
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I get really sensitive kind of like these reactions to
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: certain music, and so I kind of kind of think
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: like what if I I mean, it sounds weird, but
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I get really emotional when I hear music and see
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: people perform, and I get really proud of them. I
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: don't know how else to say it. It's like, have
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you ever watched footage of the original Dream Team?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, with like the basketball one, I cry.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Watching it because I'm like, oh my god, they're so good. Well,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I I have moments with music where I feel the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: same way, where I'm like listening to a record or
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a band perform an artists perform, and I'm
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: just so proud of them and I'm just so blown
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: away how good they are. So the first time I
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: saw Chapel Roone perform on late night, I think it
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: was her first late night performance, I was like crying
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: as I was like this, I felt so proud of her.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: That sounds I hope that doesn't sound patronizing, because I'm
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: just some dude she doesn't know. But I was just
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: so proud of her. I don't know how else to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: say it, so that that hit me really hard. I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: actually felt the same way watching Charlie XCX's performance on
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: SNL recently, where it was just her like and like,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: no band or anything, and she was just giving it
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: her all. It made me very happy.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we're about to see that with knock loosenin Kimmel. Actually,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I think oh yeah, yeah, knocked Loose is going on
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel. It's the first time that a metal band
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: has played like a like a metal band with like
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: primary screaming vocals is gonna be on late night dude.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I I'm sorry this is not answering your question but
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: relevant to those who like music. But I would say
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: every six months, I spend about an hour before I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: go to bed youtubeing late night performances and just like
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: digging into the ones that I love. And the other
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: day I randomly discovered ever Clear playing Father of Mine
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: for the first time on late night, and I'm like,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like a I'm not like an Everclear fan, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I remember the hits, and I remember liking them and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the performance I found is so good. They have two
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: they have a drummer, they have an additional guitar player,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: and then they have a guy just like hitting cymbals
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and snare along with the drummer, and it's so loud
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: and it's so good and I was just thinking, man,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: and then he plays the most like mediocre blue solo,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: but he's just feeling it. I love it so much anyways,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: So I know I have to have.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: A quite ask a question there why late night performances,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Like what is it about that like setting that like
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: makes you, that draws you in so much?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's it's often where
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: artist's debut songs that become huge. Yeah, so, like you
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: can find the first time Weezer plays say it Ain't So,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: or you can find the first time whatever, like name
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: an artist and name a hit. So I find it
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: fascinating seeing early performances of hit songs.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, I like that, that's cool.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I yeah. Yeah. Growing up, my dad was a writer
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: for this thing called Interlink out of Nashville, where basically
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: they would send boxes of CDs Christian music to youth
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: leaders all over the country, and like thirty five thousand
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: youth leaders would get these boxes and it was everything
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: from early tooth and nail like you guys had mentioned
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: to like Stephen Curtis Chapman and just name Christian music
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: across the board. And so I would get those boxes
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: just because my dad was one of the writers for
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: this company or whatever. And legend of chen the first
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: switch Foot record, I think was the first time I
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: heard a Christian record and it it it changed the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: way I thought about music, probably in particular because there's
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: no real Christian songs on that CD that record, Like
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: it's in there, like if you read between the lines,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: you can find the like spiritual sensitivity, but like that's
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: not what he was really singing about. And I want
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: to say he was maybe like nineteen or twenty maybe.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Or even recorded that is that there is that their
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: first one.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: So to this day I can put that on and
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I actually think it holds up.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Like I think.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It has a unique sound. He sounds way more like
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Kermit the Frog and that era of switch Foot. Have
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: you noticed that if you go and listen to early
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: switch to he has this kind of like tone And
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I actually like about it, so that that record changed
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the way I thought about music and maybe want to
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: be in a band.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: A favorite song on that on that record might have
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: been her. I I still think that. I still like
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: sing that song to myself every once in a while
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: in the shower for something. Yes, just pops up in
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: the brain. Yeah, I've listened to that record in like
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: ten years, but that that song in particular does it
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I've been wanting it on vinyl and I need to.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I mean it might be I've looked for it and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: haven't been able to find it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I bet it's not.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Then, Oh that's it. That that signals the end of
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: the the YADK. Next one, there's a band called XTC
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: there like my favorite band historically. They released a record
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I want to say eighty maybe eighty one or eighty
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: two called English Settlement. I have a tattoo of the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: album covered right there. So they were they were a band.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: They were a punk band that basically allowed themselves to
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: embrace their very English cultural heritage. They loved world music,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: loved the Beach Boys and the Beatles, and they began
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: to kind of allow themselves to show that. And I
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: think English English Settlement is just like one of the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: better pastoral punk rock like art pop records, and so
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I really love it. That record changed my world.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Check that one out. I've never heard that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he a very unique vocal vocalist. You either love
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: XDC or you hate it. The earlier stuff is very
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: angular punk, and so English Settlement is not that Dogwood's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: building a better me. I kid you not, I think it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I actually would argue with people. I think it might
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: be one of the best like skate punk records ever made.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's so good, and I think it's criminally
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: criminally like unlistened to like, I want that record on
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: vinyl so badly, and I've asked tooth and nail about it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I've like, I just think it's really good. That record
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: made me want to be in a punk band.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Do you know Josh Kemball lead singer, No.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I've we have mutual friends and acquaintances, I believe, Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, we love him. He's he is one of our
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: all time favorite people we've ever had on here, and
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: we've we've met with him, met with him a couple
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: times and stuff like that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Now yeah, and he.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Uh, I tell you what when we saw them at
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Furnace Fest this year. You would never believe that they
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: were criminally under listened to, because that was probably the
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: most interactive fan base really for that entire festival.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Dang, I mean for you also wouldn't have realized that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: they haven't really been a band for right years because
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: they are still so tight.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: That makes me really happy. Yeah, I actually fantasize about
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: writing a like a skate punk record with no vocals.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. I fantasized about this before and somehow
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: getting it to him and just being like, I'll pay you.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I only have five thousand dollars. Can you please record
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: vocals over the top of this?
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I promise you he would do it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Don't don't promise me things you can't you can.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: I can just about promise, I bet.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: In all seriousness, I've I've thought about asking Tooth Andnail
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: if I could start a Tooth Andnail skip punk band
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: where I just.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: You should start a you should start a supergroup.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, slick Shoes drummer singer from Dogwood get bring it
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: all into my little circle and all write something anyways,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: so that record. I really love that record still to
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: this day. I'm thinking of like formative. Yeah, pet sounds
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: like Beach Boys pet sounds. I think that record hit
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: home for me when I started reading the lyrics and
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I realized how like Pedestrie and the lyrics are where
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: he's just like, you know, sometimes I feel very sad.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I think it is like possibly one of the greatest
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: lyric lyrics ever written. That's so good and he's just
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: singing it like over this Beach Boys song. I was like, man,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: the first time I honed in on how depressed and
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: isolated he must have been to write that record, I
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: think it it really sit home with me.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he uh. I think Wilson wrote that entire
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: record as if he was like reading a Cormick McCarthy book,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Like just very very very well.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Is it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: It's one of the absol artists or authors.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, like he's.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Just very sparse writing, you know, like yeah, like why
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: say word when more word? When less word? Do trick?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, Dwight, that's not Dwight, that's uh, that's whatever
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: his name is. I can't remember his name now. Anyways,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I mean I can think of a billion other records,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: but the record I've been listening to the most recently
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: is Brian ENO's Music for Airports.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, love.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just think I've needed calm ambient music.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I like Japanese ambient musical. I like minimalistic ambient music
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: quite a bit, and so been listening to that. Also,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: the the new Always record Blue Rev. I think is
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: so good.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Always so I always I always say allays.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know why is that? Is that acceptable?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a German pronounce in the band.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: My favorite spond is Alvays.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that record. So many good records.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: The first CD I ever bought was Color in the
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Shape the Food Fighters record, so I yeah, oh yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I still think that that that is a hard rock
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: record that I think really holds up. Anyways, those those
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: are probably good answers for now.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I dig it. Yeah, I love it. That's a great list,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: fantastic list.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh it, it definitely. It's actually I'm a little
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: surprised that there's not like more folky stuff in there,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: given like how good you are at that. Uh, but
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't imagine like you're obviously skipping over
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: a ton of like other albums. But but but it
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: is interesting like out of you know, just like a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: mention of like five six or seven albums that there
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: isn't like a Soufion or you know something.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I bet.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I do like Helplessness Blues quite a bit, and I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: do like Carrie and Lowell quite a bit. Actually, I
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: will say Growing Up in Ana chordis probably the record
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: that's influenced me the most aesthetically is The Glow Part
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: two by the Microphones. So I grew up in like
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: a mecca of experimental music. And I'm not just saying that,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Like everywhere I go in the world, I could meet
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: somebody when they find out I'm from anichortis they want
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to talk about. There's gonna be somebody who wants to
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: talk about some of the experimental musicians from where I live.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And that record, The Glow Part two is absolutely one
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: of the most influential experimental records ever made. Came out
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, like Pitchfork rated it their
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: top album album of the year. Over Radio has kid A.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: So it is like it's not like some unknown record
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: and that album is genius. I think it's very very good,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and that's a that's like folk, experimental folk, but it's
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: got noise, it's got fuzz, it's got like minutes of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: just foghorns like it is. That explains a lot of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: how I think about music growing up in this world.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: So there is some folk music that I love, but
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I just always loved loud music. And that English Settlement record,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: the XDC record is very folky. It's pastor world. There's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: twelve strings and yeah, lots of acoustic guitars.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm excited to check that out. Also, an eno
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: fan in the house, Yeah, that's pretty rare these days.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, unless you're old and you have a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: gray ponytail and you wear you wear socks with sandals
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: like a lot of people around.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: John, What do you want to plug?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Are you just like upcoming stuff?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Like obviously new album's out right? Uh where should
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: peop get it? Shows all those.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Sorts of Yeah, So I mean Anthem Sprinter, the vinyl
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I was told today is lost in transit along with
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: a Supertones vinyl. So pirates might have taken mine and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Supertones LP on a boat somewhere, but I'm excited about
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: that vinyl, I think, So, I guess if you want
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: to If you want to buy the record record, you'll
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: have to wait. But yeah, I mean Anthem Sprinter, please
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: listen to it. If I'll pop rock.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Is your thing, use Apple and use iTunes, right, is
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: that what we said?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I mean Apple Music. It definitely pays better. They also
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: the team that playlists rock music over there. I really appreciate.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: But I am I've been working on a record for
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: this entire year that has like twenty eight songs, and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: so it's getting split into two records, and it's a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: worship record and it is loud. It is noisy at moments,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: and I absolutely love it has field recordings of the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: frogs outside my house, like I've never done anything like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like the sound of frogs a lot.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to release this record. I'm making
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: the shirt that Dan Cooch was wearing. The title of
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the record is as long as I am in the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: tent of this body, I will make a joyful noise.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: And that's what the shirt says. So I would just
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: say I am plugging that like it will come out
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: in two parts and I'm really really proud of it.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to release it.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: So man, using front yet I mean you you really
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: are inspired by pet sounds, aren't you.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, very much so. I love Field recordings. I listen
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: to bird recording of birds more than I do music.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And that's I'm being one hundred percent series.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I love that. Paul McCartney said the same thing.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I'm not joking.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: I'm you're just and.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Bob Dylan. Yeah, yeah, just Gordon Lightfoot and Bruce and.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Tom Betty and Gordon Lightfoot. I'm basically a legend.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're you're on that mountain.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Let's learn learn to write like Cornick McCarthy and you're there.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I'll try, John. What else would you like to plug?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of things that I would
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: like to plug. I do have some really crazy exciting news.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I want to first was here, Let's let's do it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Let's let's try this. Is it?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: It's not similar at all to like Dave Girls news,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: is it?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: No? Which? Wait?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Do you mean like having a kid with some random
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: mistress or not quite?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that would have been cool if you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: if you're if that, like if that news came out
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: at the same time as your new worship record.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that would that would be great.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Pr that's the way to release it. That's a great
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: way to release that.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just like King David. Uh No, Like there is
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of cool stuff to talk about, but no
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I do I can share this. Okay, this is gonna
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: sound absolutely nuts, all right, So I don't even really
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: know how to like put it into perspective. But through
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: a very crazy chain of events, I've been working with
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: some investors and the investors like work with huge, huge
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: sums of money through through the investors. Like one in
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: particular is like actually my boss slash Bandmate, which is
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: nuts and another band I have been asked and I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: believe I'm gonna say yes to be like essentially a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: road pastor for Elon Musk. So he yeah, yeah. So
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Musk has been doing like crazy amounts of traveling and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: primarily just like political travel and you know he had
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: this child with Grimes.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: And yeah that's like name like X well yeah yeah
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: yeah and I.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: I Anyways, what I've been told is that he like
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: genuinely won on the road as he travels, like somebody
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: to be there to talk to, pray to think through
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: like where he's headed to be a better dad. So anyways,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I think I'm gonna say yes to that,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: which will change a lot. Like I don't even know
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: if I'm gonna be able to finish my like my
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: record that I'm working on right now. It might be
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: like a year because of this job.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: This, So you'll be like his personal paths?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Have you not? Have you heard of that before?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: I have heard about it. If you're a billionaire, why not, right?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, oh, yeah, well, I'm sure who needs a
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: big flock, right when you got lots of money helping
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: me out?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's a giant team. You've got like a
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: massage therapist, a cook, right, You've got security, You've got
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: lots of different people traveling with him. So I would
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: just be his like personal like clergy.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because how else is he supposed to get, you know,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: to get the word.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, maybe the Yeah, Yeah, you're right.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: It's a great question, especially as he's like praying into
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: colonizing Mars.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can I can I ask just one desperately important question. Yeah,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: there's a book called End the Fed by Ron Paul.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Would you mind giving that to him? As he starts
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: doge the Department of Government Efficiency.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: All right, are you a libertarian?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: I am Mason's not Mason's, I'm a libertarian.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh good to know.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'll send the copy to you so that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: it's not even expense out of your own out of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: your own check.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe out of fairness to Mason. I could also give
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: him like a a communist manifesto and see, like which one.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I was just I was just thinking maybe Elon, you know,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: you could help Elon realize how big camels are and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: how small eye of needles are. Uh, And I thought
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: maybe that would just be helpful enough. But you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you're you'll be his pastor, you'll you know, I'm sure
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: you can figure out his his estimations around the size
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: of camel's.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's that's a good ques question. I mean,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: I think he's if he gets us to Mars, that's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: like a free ticket to Heaven. Right there. He's like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: saying humanity, that's a.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Whole other world that is new Jerusalem.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I should Jesus, I don't know
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: if I should have said this on this podcast.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's fine, it's fine.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: It's not like he has like, he's not the richest
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: man in the world that can you know, sue you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: into oblivion.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: But well, he also went on a podcast and smoked
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: a joint when his Yeah, you aren't doing that, So
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: I think he's probably cool with it. In fact, he's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: probably like, you know what, that's the kind of pastor
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: I definitely want with me twenty four seven.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: You think so?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just a little worried that, you know, especially knowing
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: your your music prowess and how great of an indie
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: artist you are. You know, I'm a little scared that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: you're going to find out what Elon Musk like actual
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: music tastes, and you're going to be really really disappointed.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe he did make married.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: There's not it answer that guy is like not into
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: just the shitties.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, if he likes crimes, it's probably good. Yeah,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: it's probably it's probably final.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Least, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: if he liked her music. He might have liked her
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: for creating a uh, you know, reproducing, but that's what
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: he would.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Say, reproducing, Yeah, gonna spawn a child.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I wonder what Musk's musk is.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I've always said that his name sounds like the the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: cologne that a Calvinist would wear.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say to that. That
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: says a lot about you.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't really Yeah, this might be the hardest. He's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: laughed on this, and I make a lot of dumb
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: jokes that this might don't well when the one that takes.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: A cake was good, guys, I should probably go. But
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: there was one more thing to say.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Okay about that?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: What what what did you want to say?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Are you going to sell his musk?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, No, I don't have anything else to say.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Man, if you started selling, you could sell if you
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: were able to like get his like sweat glands or
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: whatever and sell that. The amount of people on x
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: who pay him eight dollars a month, oh my god,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: like god, he has so many men that are into him.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. You would be able to make a fortune.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he hasn't done that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I know, like he just like needs to start selling
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: parts of his body because the amount of like men
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: on Twitter that just absolutely worship his feet or I mean,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: it would be next level.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Wow. Well, well you'll not I'll be hearing from my publicist.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, this is a Well magazine and ad Jason podcast,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: so you're ok.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is this is h M approved, so
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: h yeah, yeah, that's who we are. Heavens Music, Well,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: it depends on who you talk to.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: It does depend on who you talk to.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: We're trying to bring it back to being Heaven's Metal,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if we're gaining much traction on that. Uh, John,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: you've got kids and you've got you've got things to do.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much for chatting more about the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: album or big big fans. Thank you, and uh yeah,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: hopefully when the next thing comes out, we'll be able
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: to get you on the podcast again and be fun
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: to chat again.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you, so thank you guys. I really
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. This is my combat record.