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Zigmund Adamski Pt. One · The Path Went Chilly

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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, and per usual,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be sharing details about a case with Jules,
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Speaker 2: and she will give off her live reaction. And because
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Speaker 2: we're entering the month of October, I thought it would
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Speaker 2: be fun to spend the month doing some Halloween-themed cases,
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Speaker 2: which may have some sort of supernatural slant to them. So, Jules,
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Speaker 2: are you familiar with the unexplained death of Zygmunt Adamski?
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Speaker 1: The name is sounding really familiar, but the details are
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Speaker 1: eluding me, so I think once you start sharing... it's
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Speaker 1: going to be ringing some bells for me.
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Speaker 2: Well, I covered this one on The Trail Went Cold
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Speaker 2: several years ago, and it was also featured in one
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Speaker 2: of the Halloween-themed articles that I used to publish for crack.com
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Speaker 2: back in the day. It takes place in England and
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Speaker 2: involves a 56-year-old miner who suddenly vanished without a trace
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Speaker 2: while going to the grocery store one day. And then
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Speaker 2: five days later, he would be discovered on top of
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Speaker 2: a coal pile at a train yard at another town
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Speaker 2: located 25 miles away. And while his cause of death
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Speaker 2: was ruled to be a heart attack, no one could
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Speaker 2: figure out where he was during those five days or
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Speaker 2: how he wound up at that location. And there were
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Speaker 2: just so many strange details surrounding his death, and this
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Speaker 2: is one case where I could legitimately put forward aliens
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Speaker 2: as a legitimate explanation.
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Speaker 1: Well, any of our longtime listeners know that I definitely
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Speaker 1: believe in aliens, and I think that there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of good evidence out there to support their existence. And
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Speaker 1: so I do think that on occasion, we could potentially
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Speaker 1: run into a case where the explanation is, isn't murder,
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Speaker 1: it isn't suicide, the death is related to something alien-like
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Speaker 1: or something that's outside of our realm of comprehension at
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Speaker 1: this point as far as science goes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because what's unusual about this case is that we
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Speaker 2: do know that he died of a heart attack, so
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Speaker 2: there was no obvious signs of foul play, but where
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Speaker 2: was he? How did he wind up at this location?
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Speaker 2: He didn't have any personal connections to this town. And
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Speaker 2: I remember when I featured it in my Cracked article
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Speaker 2: all those years ago, I concluded my write-up with the line, quote, look,
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Speaker 2: we're not saying it was aliens, we're just saying that
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Speaker 2: if it's not, then the real story is probably even weirder,
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Speaker 2: end quote.
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Speaker 1: Why do I picture that guy Giorgio from Ancient Aliens
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Speaker 1: when you say that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty much what was on my mind here.
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Speaker 2: That was when the aliens meme was, like, very popular,
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Speaker 2: so a lot of people associate that with this particular case.
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Speaker 1: And just saying, like, What are the chances that you're
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Speaker 1: going to randomly have a heart attack while laying down
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Speaker 1: on a pile of coal in a town that you
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Speaker 1: have no connection to?
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it was a pile of coal that was
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Speaker 2: very difficult to climb. So if someone killed him and
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Speaker 2: put his body there, why would they go to the
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Speaker 2: trouble of putting him on a pile of coal? So
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Speaker 2: that's why people believe that maybe aliens beamed him down there. Like,
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Speaker 2: no joke. So, like I said, it takes place in
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Speaker 2: England back in 1980, and Zygmunt Adamski was originally from Poland.
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Speaker 2: He had fled the country to immigrate to England near
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Speaker 2: the end of World War II. At this particular point,
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Speaker 2: he's 56 years old and living with his wife Lottie,
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Speaker 2: who also fled Poland during the war, and they reside
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Speaker 2: at a home on Thornfield Crescent in the suburb of Tingley,
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Speaker 2: located in West Yorkshire near the city of Wakefield. Lottie
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Speaker 2: suffers from multiple sclerosis, is now confined to a wheelchair,
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Speaker 2: and Zygmunt has spent the past 27 years working as
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Speaker 2: a coal miner, but he has applied for early retirement
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Speaker 2: because he wants to spend more time taking care of
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Speaker 2: his wife, but while his original application for early retirement
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Speaker 2: was rejected, he has asked the company to review the decision.
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Speaker 2: At this particular point, Zygmunt's cousin Laska and her son
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Speaker 2: are visiting from Poland and have actually spent the past
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Speaker 2: two months there. and they are preparing for the wedding
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Speaker 2: of Zygmunt's goddaughter, which is set to take place the
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Speaker 2: following day. So on June the 6th, 1980, Zygmunt and
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Speaker 2: Laska spent the day doing some shopping together before they
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Speaker 2: returned home to have lunch, but at around 3.30 p.m.,
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Speaker 2: Zygmunt said that he needed to pick up some potatoes,
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Speaker 2: so he left to go to a nearby market, and
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Speaker 2: even though he had his own car, The market was
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Speaker 2: only 100 yards away, so he decided to walk there,
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Speaker 2: and he left his car keys behind. A neighbor would
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Speaker 2: later recall that Zygmunt said hi to him as he
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Speaker 2: passed by, nothing looked out of the ordinary, and the
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Speaker 2: clerk at the market would later confirm that Zygmunt did
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Speaker 2: purchase some potatoes and seemed to be in a good mood,
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Speaker 2: but after he left, Zygmunt just seemed to vanish without
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Speaker 2: a trace before he arrived home.
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Speaker 1: First glance, I can see that Zygmunt is a very
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Speaker 1: devoted husband. But it's also something to contend with if
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Speaker 1: you are a full-time caregiver. And I know this because
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Speaker 1: my stepdad does that for my mom. My mom has Parkinson's.
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Speaker 1: And so it is a full-time job and it isn't
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Speaker 1: for the faint of heart. It has a lot of
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Speaker 1: stressors attached to it. Especially when one knows that the
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Speaker 1: trajectory of what you're contending with in my case, Parkinson's
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Speaker 1: with my mother, or in the case of Lottie, MS,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't get better. It only gets worse. And I
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Speaker 1: think when you're dealing with something progressive like that, it
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Speaker 1: can really have an impact on someone's mental health because
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Speaker 1: it's hard to see the forest through the trees when
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Speaker 1: you know that each day isn't going to get better.
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Speaker 1: It can be something where hope is very difficult to muster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that when Zygmunt was originally reported
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Speaker 2: missing to the police, they probably thought that, that maybe
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Speaker 2: he had just was stressed out of having to take
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Speaker 2: care of his wife and just needed a break or something,
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Speaker 2: but he also went to the grocery store to pick
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Speaker 2: up the potatoes, so it really makes no sense for
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Speaker 2: him to purchase these and then just vanish without a trace, so...
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Speaker 2: It did seem that something did happen to him during
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Speaker 2: that limited window of time, and like I just mentioned,
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Speaker 2: he was scheduled to give away his goddaughter at her
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Speaker 2: wedding the following day, and he had prepared a speech
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Speaker 2: for the event. It looked like he was looking forward
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Speaker 2: to it, so there was also no reason for him
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Speaker 2: to disappear at this particular time. So he was missing
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Speaker 2: for the next five days, but at around 3.40 p.m.
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Speaker 2: on the afternoon of June the 11th, Zygmunt unexpectedly showed
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Speaker 2: up in the town of Todmoden, which was located about
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Speaker 2: 25 miles west of Tingley. A man named Trevor Parker,
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Speaker 2: he ran a local railroad yard with his father and
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Speaker 2: disappeared for a couple hours in the middle of the day,
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Speaker 2: but when he returned at 3.45 p.m., he was shocked
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Speaker 2: to discover that there was a body lying on top
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Speaker 2: of a pile of coal, which was 12 feet high,
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Speaker 2: so he contacted the West Yorkshire Police, and it wasn't
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Speaker 2: long before the victim was identified as Zygmunt Adamski.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so... Is there a possibility that while on his
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Speaker 1: outing to get potatoes, that he may have hit his head,
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Speaker 1: got a head injury, there could be some amnesia at play?
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Speaker 1: Was he in a fugue state and somehow was not
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Speaker 1: aware of... Like, I think of the case of Lars
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Speaker 1: Matank or something similar like that, right? Where... there seems
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Speaker 1: to have been something neurological at play. And although we
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Speaker 1: didn't see anything happen, what if he got hit by
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Speaker 1: a car or he fell and hit his head? And
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Speaker 1: then he wasn't really aware of where he was, who
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Speaker 1: he was or what he was doing. And then that
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Speaker 1: led to a situation of great stress where he ended
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Speaker 1: up having a heart attack on top of a pile
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Speaker 1: of coal. And like I'm saying that this is a
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Speaker 1: less likely scenario to me in my mind than potentially
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Speaker 1: aliens picked him up and dropped his body five days later.
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Speaker 1: But both scenarios, when you look at them at first glance,
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Speaker 1: seem pretty improbable because they are fairly statistically unlikely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, as we're going to talk about, Zygmunt had
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Speaker 2: no contact or no personal connection to Todd Modin, so
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Speaker 2: there was no reason for him to travel there on
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Speaker 2: his own. And while that would make sense if he
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Speaker 2: had hit his head or was in the fugue state,
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Speaker 2: they're going to find a lot of unusual details about
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Speaker 2: his body, but it does not look like he had
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Speaker 2: any head injury. And while it's also possible that maybe
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Speaker 2: he was suffering from Alzheimer's or something, and no one
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Speaker 2: realized it, and he forgot where he lived and got
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Speaker 2: lost on the way home, the strange thing about it
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Speaker 2: is that there would be no reported sightings of him
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Speaker 2: at all during the five-day window he was missing, and
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Speaker 2: they're going to find some details which suggest that he
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Speaker 2: was living somewhere, that maybe he was being held in captivity,
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Speaker 2: but that he had been fed or was being well
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Speaker 2: taken care of for a couple days, and there was
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Speaker 2: no evidence to indicate that he had just been living
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Speaker 2: on the streets for five days.
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Speaker 1: Is there a possibility that there may have been some
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Speaker 1: red flags? And we know that Zygmunt was a survivor
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Speaker 1: of World War II. Like, this is a man who
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Speaker 1: left Poland, survived the Nazis. And at this point in time,
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Speaker 1: in 1980, I don't know what discussions there are around
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Speaker 1: his mental health and the long-term ramifications of what he endured.
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Speaker 1: And also, when you add the stressor of what he
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Speaker 1: is enduring now. So, Is he somebody that compartmentalized and
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Speaker 1: didn't speak about his emotions or his experience? That I
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Speaker 1: don't know. But I'm just raising the possibility that if
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Speaker 1: he was keeping a lot of how he felt inside
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Speaker 1: and maybe was very good at masking his mental health state,
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Speaker 1: could he have had a psychotic break?
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Speaker 2: That's certainly possible. We don't have any details about his
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Speaker 2: time in Poland during World War II. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: possible he fled just in time before he had to
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Speaker 2: witness anything traumatic. And It sounded like he had been
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Speaker 2: living an ordinary life during all his time in England,
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Speaker 2: so if he had any, like, red flags to indicate that...
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Speaker 2: he was suffering from PTSD or had some mental health issues,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like anyone noticed. So after his body
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Speaker 2: was discovered, an ambulance crew and a couple of police
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Speaker 2: constables arrived at the scene, and when Zygmunt was originally found,
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Speaker 2: he was lying face down on top of the coal
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Speaker 2: until they turned him over. And one of the police
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Speaker 2: constables is a guy named Alan Godfrey, who eventually plays
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Speaker 2: a key role in this entire story, but when he
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Speaker 2: looked at Zygmunt's face, this is how he described it, quote, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: the face down in the pile of coal. I just
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Speaker 2: have a very hard time believing.
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Speaker 1: That if somebody's going to randomly climb to a very
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Speaker 1: difficult place on top of a pile of coal and
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Speaker 1: then lie face down and have a heart attack, I
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Speaker 1: suppose that it's possible that he could have been laying there,
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Speaker 1: had a heart attack, and been writhing around and ended
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Speaker 1: up on his stomach. But these are very bizarre details,
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Speaker 1: especially when you add in the wide-eyed element of it.
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Speaker 1: And so this case is now taking on what seems
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Speaker 1: like a supernatural element, With, like, the case of Elisa Lam,
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Speaker 1: before it was explored properly from the mental health angle,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is a mental health thing
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Speaker 1: or it's a supernatural thing, but just that there's some
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Speaker 1: elements of this that are reminiscent of that, that the
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Speaker 1: body is found in a very, in a place that
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Speaker 1: was very difficult to access, that nobody witnessed him going there,
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Speaker 1: just like nobody witnessed Elisa get into the water tank.
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Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of mystery attached here. And
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Speaker 1: when you've got, what did you say, Godfrey?
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Speaker 2: Godfrey, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And when you've got Godfrey saying that somebody or something
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Speaker 1: put him there, what you can deduce from that or
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Speaker 1: read the subtext is this isn't a facial expression that
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Speaker 1: Godfrey's seen, that there's something very haunting about this that
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Speaker 1: separates Zygmunt from the usual decedents that he sees.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, making the comparison to Elisa Lam, I wonder how
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Speaker 2: this case would be treated if it had taken place
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Speaker 2: in the post-internet, post-technology era, because, of course, the Elisa
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Speaker 2: Lam case blew up, because the surveillance footage of her
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Speaker 2: in the elevator acting strangely made people, like, blow it
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Speaker 2: up and make it sound like it was something paranormal-related. And,
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Speaker 2: of course, if Zygmunt went missing in Britain today, there
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Speaker 2: would probably be CCTV footage everywhere, and he would pop
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Speaker 2: up on camera. But what's frustrating about this case is
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Speaker 2: that there are no actual crime scene photos available or
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Speaker 2: photos of Zygmunt's body. If you do a search online
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Speaker 2: in Google Images, you will see a lot of images
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Speaker 2: of a man, like, lying on top of a pile
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Speaker 2: of coal, but those are actually from reenactments because this
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Speaker 2: case has been featured on some British paranormal-themed TV shows,
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Speaker 2: and as far as I can tell, none of the
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Speaker 2: real crime scene photos have ever gotten out because all the, uh,
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Speaker 2: Files are sealed, but like I said, this was back
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Speaker 2: in 1980, but if we had footage of Zygmunt or
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Speaker 2: photos of the crime scene, people would have maybe their
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Speaker 2: own interpretations about what happened. So the bizarre thing is
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Speaker 2: that when the police arrived, they had to climb up
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Speaker 2: a pail of wooden railway sleepers in order to even
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Speaker 2: reach a Zygmunt's body, because like I said, the coal
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Speaker 2: heap was 12 feet high. There didn't seem to be
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Speaker 2: any footprints on the coal heap to suggest that someone
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Speaker 2: had climbed to the top, and there were no traces
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Speaker 2: of coal dust on Zygmunt's clothing, so literally it almost
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Speaker 2: seemed like he had beamed down there from a spaceship.
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Speaker 2: This is one of the reasons that people have pushed
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Speaker 2: for the alien theory. According to Trevor Parker, the owner
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Speaker 2: of the railroad yard, he had been working there between
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Speaker 2: 8 and 11 a.m. that morning before he had to
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Speaker 2: leave to run some errands, and he confirmed that Zygmunt's
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Speaker 2: body was definitely not there when he left. He said
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Speaker 2: that he left the gates unlocked in case any deliveries
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Speaker 2: arrived while he was gone, so it's possible that someone
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Speaker 2: could have taken Zygmunt's body in there through the unlocked
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Speaker 2: gates and put him on the coal heap while no
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Speaker 2: one was there, but the big question is why. But
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Speaker 2: as far as I can tell, no one reported seeing
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Speaker 2: or hearing anything unusual during the several hours that Parker
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Speaker 2: was gone, and of course, when he arrived back at
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Speaker 2: around 3.45, that's when Zygmunt's body was there. We also
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Speaker 2: have an eyewitness who claimed that he stopped by the
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Speaker 2: railroad yard to look for Trevor Parker sometime between 1
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Speaker 2: and 1.30, and he did not see a dead body
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Speaker 2: on the coal heap, so it seemed like Zygmunt's body
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Speaker 2: would have arrived there during a window of about two hours.
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Speaker 2: And a funny story about this witness, his name, see
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Speaker 2: if you recognize it, Peter Sutcliffe. Does that ring a
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Speaker 2: bell for you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't he a murderer?
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Speaker 2: Yes, he was a serial killer known as the Yorkshire Ripper,
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Speaker 2: and coincidentally enough, he wound up being captured in January
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Speaker 2: of 1981, just a couple months after this took place.
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Speaker 2: But no, it's a completely different Peter Sutcliffe, not the
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Speaker 2: same serial killer. But when I first researched that, I
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Speaker 2: did a double take saying that, oh my god, a
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Speaker 2: known serial killer was at this location right before Sigmund's
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Speaker 2: body was found.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 1: This is interesting. This only two hour window of time
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Speaker 1: and we've got no coal dust on the body, no
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Speaker 1: footprints on the coal. It's as if he just portal
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Speaker 1: opened up or he was beamed down and just plopped
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Speaker 1: on top of that coal. So I have a hard
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Speaker 1: time believing that if somebody was in a fugue state
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Speaker 1: or had a psychotic break that they would be able
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Speaker 1: to be so particular and so careful about as to
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Speaker 1: not disturb the coal, that doesn't really compute for me.
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Speaker 1: And what this reminds me of is I went through
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Speaker 1: this whole period where I was like really fascinated with
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Speaker 1: crop circles.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 1: And the stories, not like that, yes, there was a
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Speaker 1: one guy that faked the crop circles, but there's been
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Speaker 1: so many incidents of crop circles, exceedingly complex ones that
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Speaker 1: mathematically have taught, you know, mathematicians things that weren't already known.
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Speaker 1: Those were the ones that I was really interested in.
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Speaker 1: A lot of these crop circles would form within like
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Speaker 1: two hours, incredibly complex. It's the same thing with cattle
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Speaker 1: mutilations where the cattle will be fine and then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, the rancher or somebody is
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Speaker 1: around and they see that the cow has been mutilated.
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Speaker 1: And so what is responsible for doing these things? What
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Speaker 1: is the objective? And how are they able to achieve
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Speaker 1: that objective in such a short window of time, especially
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Speaker 1: with the crop circles? And in this case, with Zygmunt
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Speaker 1: being able to get on top of a pile of
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Speaker 1: coal without getting any dust on himself, it's like he
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Speaker 1: just jumped up there and gravity wasn't a thing. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm at this point in time going the most probable...
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Speaker 1: outcome or the most probable scenario based on the evidence
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Speaker 1: presented thus far, to me personally, is aliens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, is that you can't come up
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Speaker 2: with a logical explanation for how we wound up there.
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Speaker 2: And I still remember the crop circles, what a big
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Speaker 2: deal they were. And even though some have been proven
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Speaker 2: to be hoaxes, some of them are so elaborate that
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Speaker 2: you wonder, how could someone have done this in a
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Speaker 2: limited amount of time in the middle of the night
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Speaker 2: without anyone seeing anything? And since you mentioned cattle mutilation,
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Speaker 2: spoiler alert, cattle are going to eventually play a role
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Speaker 2: in this story.
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Speaker 1: And to answer your question with the crop circles, some
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Speaker 1: of these really intricate ones are done within like two hours.
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Speaker 1: People have been flying over with a plane, flown back,
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Speaker 1: and two hours later it's done and it is so
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Speaker 1: intricate and so perfect it was not done with a
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Speaker 1: human hand. It's like there's somebody out there, that one
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Speaker 1: guy who copped a faking thumb, but when you see
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Speaker 1: the evidence of what this guy faked, they were not perfect, intricate,
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Speaker 1: mathematically complex crop circles. It's a very different league than
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Speaker 1: these ones that are being questioned. Most Most of them
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Speaker 1: seem to be in the UK. But yeah, it's something
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Speaker 1: that I would love to know the answer to, and
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Speaker 1: I'm still very fascinated by.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we could probably do an entire episode just on
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Speaker 2: that topic alone. So once the post-mortem was performed on Zygmunt,
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Speaker 2: they were able to determine that he died of a
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Speaker 2: probable heart attack, and on the surface that did make
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Speaker 2: sense because he did have a history of heart disease
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Speaker 2: and bronchitis because he was a heavy smoker and he
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Speaker 2: had spent many years working in the coal mines, which
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Speaker 2: is going to be detrimental to your health. They estimated
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Speaker 2: that his time of death was sometime between 11 a.m.
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Speaker 2: and 1 p.m., so the timeline would make sense that
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Speaker 2: if he died that morning that someone would take him
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Speaker 2: to the coal yard and place him there when no
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Speaker 2: one else was around. But of course, why would they
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Speaker 2: do so? That's the part that doesn't make sense. But
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Speaker 2: even if he died that morning, there was still a
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Speaker 2: five-day window when his whereabouts were unaccounted for. There was
18:36
Speaker 2: no record of him having been treated at any hospitals.
18:39
Speaker 2: He showed no signs of having lived on the streets.
18:42
Speaker 2: And his clothing was in good condition. He appeared to
18:45
Speaker 2: have eaten during those past five days because it didn't
18:48
Speaker 2: seem like he was starving or anything. And there was
18:50
Speaker 2: only one day's growth of beard on his face, which
18:53
Speaker 2: seemed to suggest that he had shaved at one point
18:56
Speaker 2: during the five-day window he was missing. So, where was he?
18:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the mystery, isn't it? Like, where could
19:03
Speaker 1: he have possibly been? Who was taking care of him?
19:06
Speaker 1: Or was he taking care of himself just at an
19:08
Speaker 1: entirely different location? And if so, why? Why did he
19:13
Speaker 1: separate from his family? Why did he walk away from Lottie,
19:16
Speaker 1: who he absolutely needed to be caring for? She had MS.
19:20
Speaker 1: It wasn't as though she could take care of herself.
19:23
Speaker 1: And it's very clear that he loved her and he
19:25
Speaker 1: wanted to take care of her, as evidenced by wanting
19:27
Speaker 1: to be finished with work early or retire early so
19:30
Speaker 1: that he could be her full-time carer. So that isn't
19:34
Speaker 1: really aligning for me with a man that would just
19:37
Speaker 1: run away from his responsibilities.
19:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, one theory which does get pushed forward eventually is
19:42
Speaker 2: that because Zygmunt was dealing with a wife with medical problems,
19:45
Speaker 2: that maybe he had a mistress somewhere and was having
19:48
Speaker 2: a secret affair, and that maybe he... died of a
19:50
Speaker 2: heart attack while having sex, and for whatever reason, they
19:53
Speaker 2: decided to put his body on top of a coal
19:55
Speaker 2: pile rather than doing something logical about it. And I
19:58
Speaker 2: think this affair theory is mostly due to the fact
20:00
Speaker 2: that his clothing was found in a very weird condition,
20:03
Speaker 2: because even though he was found wearing a suit jacket
20:05
Speaker 2: and a string vest, his shirt... was inexplicably missing, and
20:09
Speaker 2: while Lottie recalled that her husband was wearing a suit
20:12
Speaker 2: jacket when he left the house to go shopping, she
20:15
Speaker 2: said that she did not recall him wearing a vest,
20:17
Speaker 2: so it seemed apparent that this vest may not have
20:19
Speaker 2: actually belonged to him. His jacket was not buttoned properly,
20:23
Speaker 2: his trousers were unzipped, and his shoes appeared to be
20:25
Speaker 2: fastened in a very hasty fashion, And Alan Godfrey would
20:29
Speaker 2: later say that it looked like someone else had placed
20:32
Speaker 2: Zygmunt's shoes on his feet. So I think that's where
20:34
Speaker 2: they come with the theory about maybe he had a
20:36
Speaker 2: heart attack while having sex with someone and that someone
20:39
Speaker 2: like haphazardly dressed his body and decided to leave him there.
20:43
Speaker 1: Well, I guess we can dispel the idea that Zygmunt
20:46
Speaker 1: climbed up that coal pile because if his shoes weren't
20:49
Speaker 1: even on his feet properly, unless we're to believe he
20:51
Speaker 1: had sex on top of that coal pile and there
20:53
Speaker 1: was somebody else on there with him, which is Completely
20:56
Speaker 1: inexplicable since there's no coal dust on any of his
20:59
Speaker 1: clothes or on anything. The coal isn't disturbed. None of
21:02
Speaker 1: this is making any sense. And I feel like I
21:05
Speaker 1: get why the mistress theory is pushed out there. But
21:09
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If he dies of a heart attack, would
21:13
Speaker 1: you not call the police? It's obviously a natural death.
21:17
Speaker 1: But even if you were to then dispose of a body,
21:20
Speaker 1: you're essentially doing it in a place that's going to
21:22
Speaker 1: get discovered. And you're doing it at great risk because
21:25
Speaker 1: it would be very complex to get the body up
21:28
Speaker 1: there and to leave it there. Like, why wouldn't you
21:31
Speaker 1: just dig a hole somewhere or throw the body into
21:35
Speaker 1: a body of water? It seems like there are a
21:38
Speaker 1: lot easier ways to dispose of a body that would
21:41
Speaker 1: be that would be less risky than putting it on
21:45
Speaker 1: top of a pile of coal where it could be seen.
21:48
Speaker 1: And then you also, while putting it on top of
21:51
Speaker 1: that pile of coal out in the open, you run
21:54
Speaker 1: the risk of being discovered. I would think that you
21:57
Speaker 1: would want to find a location where there wouldn't be
22:00
Speaker 1: any prying eyes, that the body would be concealed for
22:04
Speaker 1: a number of years and on top of a pile
22:06
Speaker 1: of coal, just that isn't it.
22:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, that's the part that really hangs me up here,
22:10
Speaker 2: is that I could see Zygmunt dying and someone wanting
22:12
Speaker 2: to dispose of his body in order to cover it up,
22:15
Speaker 2: but the place they chose made no sense, and, like,
22:18
Speaker 2: how could they know ahead of time that the railroad
22:20
Speaker 2: yard would be unoccupied and that Trevor Parker would be
22:23
Speaker 2: out on errands, and the fact that he left the
22:25
Speaker 2: gate unlocked in case any deliveries arrived? Like, no one
22:28
Speaker 2: could not have had any advanced knowledge that this was
22:31
Speaker 2: going to happen, so it's like, why would you choose
22:33
Speaker 2: that particular place to dispose of a body and completely
22:36
Speaker 2: call attention to yourselves?
22:38
Speaker 1: And just a quick question, like, what do you think
22:40
Speaker 1: is the probability that Lottie is accurately remembering exactly what
22:45
Speaker 1: Zygmunt wore when he left? Because we know eyewitness accounts
22:50
Speaker 1: are problematic. And so do we want to assume that
22:53
Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing the vest and that the vest belonged
22:55
Speaker 1: to somebody else? Or is it possible that Lottie just
22:59
Speaker 1: didn't lock the vest properly? When he was leaving and
23:02
Speaker 1: just didn't see it and thought, okay, he isn't wearing
23:05
Speaker 1: a vest, like this is a fact, but the reality
23:08
Speaker 1: may be something very different. Our minds are not as
23:12
Speaker 1: astute at observing as I think we would like to
23:15
Speaker 1: believe that they are.
23:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally acknowledge that, that maybe she was
23:19
Speaker 2: just misremembering and that the vest does belong to him
23:22
Speaker 2: because I don't see any reason why someone else would
23:25
Speaker 2: give him a completely different vest. But of course, the
23:28
Speaker 2: missing shirt is an intriguing clue because it makes you wonder,
23:30
Speaker 2: was there blood or something on that shirt that someone
23:32
Speaker 2: wanted to cover up and that's why they didn't put
23:35
Speaker 2: it on his body? Of course, like you said, another
23:37
Speaker 2: hole in the theory about him having an affair is
23:40
Speaker 2: that it'd be one thing if he said that he
23:42
Speaker 2: was going to the market as an excuse to see
23:44
Speaker 2: his mistress, but the clerk verified that he went there
23:47
Speaker 2: and purchased potatoes, and curiously, those potatoes have never been found,
23:52
Speaker 2: so it's a big question about what happened during that
23:54
Speaker 2: 100-yard walk from the market back to his house that
23:58
Speaker 2: caused him and the potatoes to disappear. And it turned
24:02
Speaker 2: out that Zygmunt's watch and wallet, which was believed to
24:04
Speaker 2: have contained 20 pounds, were missing, and like I said,
24:08
Speaker 2: the potatoes were never accounted for. And also, it looked
24:11
Speaker 2: like Zygmunt had recently received a haircut, where his hair
24:14
Speaker 2: was described as being crudely cropped short, and it looked
24:17
Speaker 2: like it had been done by someone who wasn't a professional,
24:20
Speaker 2: who was just wanting to cut his hair, they did
24:22
Speaker 2: kind of a half-assed job with it. And the most
24:25
Speaker 2: bizarre detail is that Zygmunt had a series of mysterious
24:28
Speaker 2: egg-shaped burn marks on his head, neck, and shoulders, which
24:32
Speaker 2: were believed to be two days old, and the burns
24:35
Speaker 2: were believed to not be caused by an open flame,
24:37
Speaker 2: but rather something of a corrosive nature. And they also
24:41
Speaker 2: found out that an odd green-yellowy gel-like ointment had been
24:45
Speaker 2: applied to the burns, but when a sample of this
24:47
Speaker 2: ointment was sent to forensic scientists at the home office
24:50
Speaker 2: laboratory in Weatherby for a chemical analysis, they were unable
24:54
Speaker 2: to identify it. So, of course, this causes alarm bells
24:57
Speaker 2: to think that some sort of alien ointment might have
24:59
Speaker 2: been applied to Zygmunt's body.
25:01
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible, but you gotta wonder, like, what
25:04
Speaker 1: were they doing? Would they not have just shaved his head?
25:08
Speaker 1: Why are they so haphazard? When I think of aliens,
25:11
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm wrong to assume this, I think that
25:13
Speaker 1: they're methodical and that they're organized far more than us humans.
25:18
Speaker 1: And so when I think of what they would potentially
25:20
Speaker 1: do if they were testing things on a human body, sure,
25:23
Speaker 1: the egg-shaped wounds that were made from something of a
25:26
Speaker 1: corrosive nature, that computes. But a haphazard haircut and not
25:30
Speaker 1: being able to dress him properly in his clothes doesn't
25:33
Speaker 1: align with what I think that aliens could or should
25:36
Speaker 1: be doing when it comes to redressing a human or
25:40
Speaker 1: dealing with a human. And I don't know why I
25:42
Speaker 1: have these presuppositions about aliens and their conduct, but for
25:47
Speaker 1: some reason I do, and for some reason this seems.
25:50
Speaker 2: Odd to me. It does, yeah. Like, why would the
25:52
Speaker 2: aliens do that? But at the same time, it also
25:55
Speaker 2: makes no sense for someone holding him captive to do it. Like,
25:58
Speaker 2: I can see feeding him to make sure that he's
26:00
Speaker 2: kept alive, but why would you bother cutting his hair
26:02
Speaker 2: and shaving him? It's not like you're taking him out
26:04
Speaker 2: in public or something like that, so I don't know
26:07
Speaker 2: why they would try to make sure his hygiene was
26:09
Speaker 2: good while he was being held against his will. And
26:13
Speaker 2: like I said, Zygmunt did not have any known connections
26:15
Speaker 2: to Todd Modin. As far as his family knew, he
26:17
Speaker 2: had never been there before. And even though he had
26:20
Speaker 2: a car, he left it behind because he had only
26:23
Speaker 2: walked to the market and Todd Modin was 25 miles away.
26:27
Speaker 2: So how would he have traveled there unless he was kidnapped?
26:31
Speaker 2: And in a cruel twist of fate, a few days
26:33
Speaker 2: after Zingman's body was discovered, a letter was sent to
26:35
Speaker 2: his house by the mining company, informing him that they
26:38
Speaker 2: had reversed their original decision not to grant him early retirement,
26:42
Speaker 2: and they were going to give it to him after all.
26:44
Speaker 2: But of course, by that point, he was already dead.
26:46
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that would have been great news if
26:49
Speaker 1: he was still alive. And it's really unfortunate that he
26:52
Speaker 1: didn't live to see that, because he would have got
26:54
Speaker 1: his wish and would have been able to be out
26:57
Speaker 1: of those mines, which would have been great for his
26:59
Speaker 1: chronic bronchitis and his other health issues, and he would
27:02
Speaker 1: have been able to tend to Lottie full-time, which was
27:04
Speaker 1: what he wanted. So it's really sad that he never
27:07
Speaker 1: got to see what he had actually asked for actualized.
27:11
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I don't have any information about what happened
27:14
Speaker 2: to Lottie after all this took place. I do hope
27:16
Speaker 2: that other members of her family took care of her,
27:19
Speaker 2: but that must be rough, like to be relying on
27:21
Speaker 2: your husband, and then he finally gets what he wants
27:24
Speaker 2: to early retirement. and then dies under very strange circumstances.
27:28
Speaker 2: So an inquest was held into Zingman's death, and the coroner,
27:31
Speaker 2: James Turnbull, would return an open verdict because he had
27:35
Speaker 2: no idea what happened. All he could say was that
27:37
Speaker 2: he believed that Zingman died at the same location where
27:40
Speaker 2: he was found. but he ranked the situation as the
27:43
Speaker 2: biggest mystery he had ever encountered in his career, and
27:45
Speaker 2: he flat out told the media, quote, if I was
27:48
Speaker 2: told the UFO took this man up and dropped him
27:50
Speaker 2: on the coal pile, I would only raise one eyebrow,
27:53
Speaker 2: end quote. So he's pretty much saying the same thing
27:55
Speaker 2: as everybody else, where he's got no explanation for it,
27:58
Speaker 2: so he's saying, well, might as well have been aliens.
28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.
28:02
Speaker 1: At this point, that's pretty much what I'm thinking, is
28:05
Speaker 1: it's aliens. I'm not saying it's not aliens, but, you know...
28:09
Speaker 1: It's like when you look at the Michael Peterson case.
28:12
Speaker 1: Do I believe that Kathleen Peterson was murdered? I'm 60-40 towards,
28:19
Speaker 1: you know, Michael had something to do with it. But
28:21
Speaker 1: when you look at what evidence is there, I believe
28:24
Speaker 1: that there's more evidence to support the owl theory than
28:27
Speaker 1: there is to support that Michael definitively did it. With
28:31
Speaker 1: what we're looking at right now, I'm thinking aliens.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Like, if you can't find evidence pointing towards
28:36
Speaker 2: any other scenarios, then you have to settle on aliens,
28:40
Speaker 2: pretty much. And sure enough, it turned out that there
28:43
Speaker 2: was some reported UFO activity in England during that time period,
28:47
Speaker 2: because on the evening of June the 10th, about 16
28:50
Speaker 2: hours or so before Zygmunt's body was found, a couple
28:53
Speaker 2: living in Todmoden reported hearing a strange noise above their house,
28:56
Speaker 2: which they said sounded like some water surges. And when
28:59
Speaker 2: they went outside, they claimed that they saw a green
29:02
Speaker 2: and red light suddenly appear above the roof and flash
29:05
Speaker 2: before it suddenly disappeared. And since their home was located
29:09
Speaker 2: only about a half mile from the coal yard, that's
29:11
Speaker 2: caused speculation that the two events might be connected and
29:14
Speaker 2: that these UFO returned 16 hours later to drop off
29:18
Speaker 2: Zygmunt's body.
29:19
Speaker 1: When you've got corroborating evidence as far as individuals seeing
29:24
Speaker 1: flashing lights that could potentially be a UFO... It's just
29:29
Speaker 1: more evidence in the alien pile.
29:32
Speaker 2: And of course, more alarm bells would go off because
29:34
Speaker 2: it turned out that this case would be subject to
29:36
Speaker 2: a security lockdown as the West Yorkshire police were forbidden
29:39
Speaker 2: to talk. about with the media and all the official
29:42
Speaker 2: case files were deemed to be classified and they still
29:45
Speaker 2: remain unavailable to the public to this day. Like I said,
29:49
Speaker 2: an inquest was held, but for whatever reason, they did
29:51
Speaker 2: not invite Alan Godfrey or the other constable who found
29:55
Speaker 2: Zygmunt's body to show up there to testify, so it
29:57
Speaker 2: really seemed like they were trying to get it over
29:59
Speaker 2: with as quickly as possible. At one point, Lottie hired
30:02
Speaker 2: a solicitor who asked for a transcript of the inquest,
30:05
Speaker 2: but his request was denied because the proceedings were deemed
30:08
Speaker 2: to be classified. And if this is just a simple
30:11
Speaker 2: case of someone dying of a heart attack, why are
30:14
Speaker 2: they sealing all these files and, like, keeping the inquest
30:16
Speaker 2: classified and withholding them from the public to this day?
30:20
Speaker 2: Because I know that some people out there have sent in, like,
30:22
Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act requests to the UK government to
30:26
Speaker 2: try to get these files released, and they get denied
30:28
Speaker 2: every single time.
30:30
Speaker 1: Tell us it's aliens without telling us it's aliens. Like,
30:33
Speaker 1: you're telling on yourselves. You look so suspicious. You're holding
30:37
Speaker 1: an inquest, which feels like you're trying to placate somebody.
30:41
Speaker 1: Because this isn't a proper inquest if you're not going
30:43
Speaker 1: to include Godfrey and the other investigator. You're just going
30:47
Speaker 1: through the motions. Like, who are you asking questions of?
30:50
Speaker 1: If not, the original investigator. And are you not asking
30:54
Speaker 1: him these questions because you are aware that he feels
30:58
Speaker 1: that it could be aliens or there could be a
31:00
Speaker 1: supernatural element to it, that there is something of mystery.
31:03
Speaker 1: But when you're sealing this, you're not releasing the transcripts.
31:06
Speaker 1: You're not including investigators. It just, and everything is classified.
31:10
Speaker 1: It's seeming like you know something that you don't want
31:13
Speaker 1: the public to know. And the way that you've handled
31:17
Speaker 1: this case or the way that you've moved with regards
31:19
Speaker 1: to it is only going to make the public more suspicious.
31:24
Speaker 1: And it's only going to point towards a potential that
31:27
Speaker 1: there is a supernatural explanation and they're trying to hide
31:30
Speaker 1: it from us.
31:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it says something that like James Turnbull, the coroner,
31:34
Speaker 2: testified at the inquest. And right after he's telling the press,
31:37
Speaker 2: if you said it was a UFO that dropped him off,
31:39
Speaker 2: I wouldn't object. So it makes you wonder, what did
31:41
Speaker 2: he hear at that inquest that he was just willing
31:43
Speaker 2: to say that openly? And it's also frustrating for the
31:47
Speaker 2: victim's family, because we know Zygmunt technically wasn't the victim
31:50
Speaker 2: of a homicide, so you have no idea if there's
31:53
Speaker 2: still an active police investigation. It's like, if this case
31:56
Speaker 2: is closed, then why not release the files and the transcripts?
31:59
Speaker 2: I've encountered this so often with victims' families, where they're
32:02
Speaker 2: told by police, oh, we can't release anything to you
32:05
Speaker 2: because this is still an open investigation, yet it doesn't
32:08
Speaker 2: appear that they're conducting an investigation. You just have to
32:11
Speaker 2: take their word for it that they're still working on it,
32:13
Speaker 2: And you're just left with so much frustration because you're
32:16
Speaker 2: thinking that it's just being cast to the side and
32:18
Speaker 2: they're using the national security excuse not to tell you anything.
32:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel bad for his family because I can
32:26
Speaker 1: only imagine the stress that you would have when you
32:29
Speaker 1: just want answers about what happened to your loved one
32:31
Speaker 1: and you're constantly met with like a bureaucratic brick wall.
32:35
Speaker 1: where they're saying it's classified, it's this and it's that.
32:38
Speaker 1: And they have to be wondering why. Like, why are
32:41
Speaker 1: you classifying the death of this older Polish man who
32:47
Speaker 1: lives a normal life? He's a coal miner. He escaped
32:50
Speaker 1: World War II. He seems like a really like, quote unquote, normal,
32:55
Speaker 1: typical person. So what is it that's so mysterious or
33:00
Speaker 1: could be so disruptive about the information that could come
33:03
Speaker 1: out regarding his death? that you have to classify everything.
33:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally understand why his family was so
33:10
Speaker 2: frustrated about that, because even if it was just a
33:13
Speaker 2: simple heart attack, why not just tell the public that? Like,
33:15
Speaker 2: why not just release all the materials? So now is
33:19
Speaker 2: when it starts to get really batshit crazy, because it
33:21
Speaker 2: turned out that Alan Godfrey, one of the police officers
33:24
Speaker 2: who found Zygmunt's body, would have his own alien encounter
33:27
Speaker 2: just a couple months after Zygmunt's death took place. At
33:31
Speaker 2: the time, Alan Godfrey was living in Todmorden with his
33:33
Speaker 2: wife and two children. He was a very well-respected six-year
33:36
Speaker 2: veteran with the West Yorkshire Police, and had already received
33:40
Speaker 2: two commendations for his work, so he definitely did not
33:43
Speaker 2: seem like the type of guy who would fabricate an
33:46
Speaker 2: alien story, but on November the 28th, 1980, only five
33:50
Speaker 2: months after Zygmunt's body was found, Godfrey was on duty
33:54
Speaker 2: working the overnight patrol shift and was responding to a
33:57
Speaker 2: series of calls about a herd of cattle. I mentioned
33:59
Speaker 2: cattle earlier, which seemed to be disappearing and reappearing throughout
34:03
Speaker 2: the night. One of the calls was from a woman
34:06
Speaker 2: who claimed that she saw these cattle outside her bedroom window,
34:09
Speaker 2: but before she could walk outside, she was blinded by
34:12
Speaker 2: a flash of light, and the cows suddenly disappeared, and
34:15
Speaker 2: were seen wandering around a local council estate. So at
34:18
Speaker 2: around 5 a.m., Godfrey decided to drive out to this
34:21
Speaker 2: area to search for them, but he claimed that he
34:24
Speaker 2: saw a bright blue light in front of him, which
34:26
Speaker 2: he initially thought was a double-decker bus that had overturned,
34:29
Speaker 2: but as he continued to drive towards it, and was
34:32
Speaker 2: approximately 20 yards away, He realized that he was looking
34:35
Speaker 2: at a spinning diamond-shaped object, which was about 20 feet
34:39
Speaker 2: wide and 14 feet high. It appeared to be hovering
34:42
Speaker 2: 5 feet above the road, but while the bottom half
34:44
Speaker 2: of the object was rotating, the top half remained stationary.
34:48
Speaker 2: And even though it appeared to be disturbing the trees
34:50
Speaker 2: on the side of the road and causing leaves to
34:53
Speaker 2: swirl underneath it, the object did not make any noise,
34:56
Speaker 2: and Godfrey said he could not feel any vibrations from it.
35:00
Speaker 2: He attempted to call for help on both his car
35:02
Speaker 2: radio and his handheld radio, but neither of them would work,
35:05
Speaker 2: so he suddenly started sketching the object on his notepad
35:08
Speaker 2: just so that he could document it. And he claimed
35:11
Speaker 2: that right as he was doing this, the object suddenly vanished,
35:14
Speaker 2: but according to Godfrey, the next thing he knew... his
35:17
Speaker 2: vehicle was parked at a spot around 30 yards down
35:20
Speaker 2: the road, and he had no memory of driving there.
35:23
Speaker 2: And then he drove back to the spot where he
35:25
Speaker 2: thought he had seen the object, but even though it
35:27
Speaker 2: had been raining that morning, this particular spot in the
35:29
Speaker 2: road was dry. And when he looked at his watch,
35:32
Speaker 2: it appeared that between 25 to 35 minutes had passed,
35:36
Speaker 2: but it only felt like a few seconds for him.
35:38
Speaker 2: So it seemed like he may have been a victim
35:40
Speaker 2: of the missing time phenomenon. Have you ever heard of that?
35:44
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. I think it's very common with With alien
35:49
Speaker 1: abduction phenomenon, missing time is very, very common, and it's
35:53
Speaker 1: something that is given as a symptom across the board,
35:58
Speaker 1: pretty much. So, yeah, this doesn't surprise me, but I'm
36:01
Speaker 1: also very, very shocked that Godfrey is so transparent about this.
36:07
Speaker 1: That takes some bravery, because I think a lot of people,
36:10
Speaker 1: and especially people who are involved in aviation... They have
36:14
Speaker 1: a lot of encounters that could be alien, but a
36:17
Speaker 1: lot of them are discouraged from coming forward to talk
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Speaker 1: about it because of the stigma attached. And you hear
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Speaker 1: that when they were speaking to Congress. And in different countries,
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Speaker 1: there's different attitudes towards it. Like in Brazil, they're more
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Speaker 1: welcoming of these types of experiences, for example. But here,
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Speaker 1: Godfrey is really sharing. And like you said, this is
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Speaker 1: a guy who is a six-year veteran, very well-respected, has
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Speaker 1: had multiple commendations. So he's had a fairly illustrious career,
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Speaker 1: even though it's been less than a decade. So for
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Speaker 1: him to come forward and to share this, I think,
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Speaker 1: is very courageous.
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Speaker 2: So that about brings an end to part one of
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Speaker 2: our series about the unexplained death of Zygmunt Adamski. Join
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Speaker 2: us next week for part two.
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Speaker 3: Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit
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