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Adult K-Drama Romance: Complicated Love Stories, Emotional Realism, and Sex / Ep. 109 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tabak K Rambles.
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  We're a couple of friends review Korean dramas, and we are back
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  for not a review episode. We're going to do another sort
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  of freestyle episode on adult romance, more adult romance,
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  grown folks romance stories in kdrama land.
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  An I am joined for this episode by Carol from Kdrama Musings
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  podcast. How are you, Carol?
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  I'm good. How are you?
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  I'm doing. Excellent.
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  I would love to know maybe what you've been up to since the last
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  time you were here was for the When Life Gives You Tangerines
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  episode and then before that was for the Dynamite Kiss review.
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  And I feel like it's been maybe a minute.
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  So what are you watching currently?
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  That is so true. I was thinking the last time was
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  proceed of jade, but I'm still in proceed of jade because.
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  For those who don't know, we went hog wild on this Chinese
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  drama Pursuit of Jade. It came out this year and we did
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  a two-part review over on Liliana's Tea and Soju podcast
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  and the three of us had a friggin ball, let me tell you
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  right now. And it's kind of been the drama
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  of the year. It's consumed a lot of our
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  waking hours. Are you still re watching it
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  Carol? Well, I just watched bits and
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  pieces. OK.
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  All right. Yeah.
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  I'm not watching the the whole thing, I'm just watching bits
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  and pieces and I do have other shows I'm watching now so I'm
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  kind of like. I'll be honest though, the
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  feedback was lovely and I love seeing the messages from people
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  who enjoyed that episode. And When Life Gives you
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  Tangerines too was so much fun. So if you have not heard that
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  please go listen. What have I been up to?
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  Watching dramas, creating more content.
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  I actually want to take the content seriously and yeah, do
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  something you know? So 2 days ago I released my
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  first sub stack. Tell me if I've shared it.
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  I haven't shared it. I don't know why I haven't.
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  Shared it, I was going to say 'cause if I I would have read it
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  by now, but that's why God you scared me there 'cause I was
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  like damn did I miss a sub stack from Carol?
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  But you haven't released it yet, OK.
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  No, after this I'll release it. But it's an article talking
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  about the genesis of why I got into Asian dramas and the
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  perspective that I gained. I'm trying to do this seriously.
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  So yeah. Yeah.
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  Just like an intro to Carol. At the beginning exactly.
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  Oh, perf. OK, yeah, definitely gonna give
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  that a read. Yeah.
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  What are you watching? What's the what's the K drama
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  Lance? I just finished YUMI sales 3 OK.
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  Today. Yeah.
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  And in the middle of like episode 7, there are only 8
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  episodes. But in the middle of episode 7,
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  I actually paused, went on my hinge, reduced my age
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  requirements by like 9 years. What?
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  And I was like. Man, that male lead got you
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  epped up yo. Yo, it was crazy.
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  And then when I finished episode 8, my rational cell came to my
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  head and was like, girl, what the hell, It's never gonna be
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  like this, right? Better go back up to like 30
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  something, Yeah? You know, it's funny that about
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  the because I had a listener message me today, DM me and
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  Liliana, because we did a review of Nothing But You last year and
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  Nothing But You as another Chinese drama.
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  But it's an age gap romance. And she was like, Oh yeah, you
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  guys are so funny. And I was like, girl, I don't
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  remember anything that I said a year ago.
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  You know, if if I do a review, I basically remember it for like a
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  month and then it's gone. I don't remember anything that I
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  said safe. So she had to remind me.
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  She was like, oh, you know, you were talking about the age gap
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  and how you guys are like in your early 30s and how a 22 year
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  old coming into your DMS or, or, you know, trying to start a
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  relationship with you is just like too young.
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  Absolutely not. That would be wild.
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  And I was like, oh, right, I did say that because 22 versus 32,
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  like, boy, get out of here. I was thinking, so I'm 30
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  something 8, yes. And I was just like, how much
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  younger can I go realistically? And I was like, oh, maybe like
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  20-7. Maybe I could I could do
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  something like 27. But my youngest brother is 30.
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  He's about to turn 31. So I was just like you.
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  You got somewhere younger than David.
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  Like what? What do you mean?
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  So my friend group went through this like many years ago of how
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  this is stupid, but these are things that you talk about with
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  your friends and and I have a lot of guy friends.
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  So they were talking about how young you're supposed to go and
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  someone had an algorithm, somebody had a math to it, and
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  so it was divide your age in half and add 7 years.
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  So you're saying you're 3838 / 2.
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  That's 19 + 7. The youngest you can go
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  according to this stupid formula that they saw somewhere is 26.
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  I know you're lying. What am I going to?
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  What am I going to do with a 26 year old?
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  So for me. So for me it'd be plus 7/24/20.
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  4, 24. No offense to the 24 year olds
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  out there, no, but I'm not sure you can hang with with us.
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  With a 38 year old, but you know what it was?
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  It's just the energy like. Yeah.
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  You, me was. I think she's like me.
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  She's just like even not too excited, not yeah, that kind.
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  And then this kid comes in and he is, he's very even, but he
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  has chaotic moments and you're just like.
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  You're like, maybe it can. Work just like maybe, but a lot
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  of things have to line up so these.
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  K dramas keep us delusional though.
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  They keep us so delusional. Delusion.
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  I'd love to change the age in your Hinge profile.
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  Girl is having you take action and that's crazy but let me know
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  how it goes. Keep me in the loop on that.
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  I will, I will. I'm also watching gold land on
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  Disney with perk boy Young. First two episodes fantastic.
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  I knew it and I knew it. It's really good.
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  The 1st 2 episodes it, it kind of reminds me of Karma just
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  because that guy is in it, you know, the tall guy, the comedian
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  guy. I'm blanking out on his name and
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  it does have that element in it. So it's fun.
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  But to see Park Boy Young, she's, I love her.
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  I'm not going to shade anybody else, but I love Park Boy Young.
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  She gives me the range I need and I just finished something
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  else. Oh, I'm still watching Perfect
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  Craft. Perfect Crown is the most
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  complicated. I have the most complicated
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  relationship with it. I love the way you lean back.
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  I did. I was like and I did it without
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  thinking. I know.
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  Just I basically rocked back on my heels a bit just sitting in a
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  chair. Yeah, well, so perfect crown,
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  man. I've heard so many mixed things
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  and you're part of the mixed feelings about it.
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  Yeah, yeah. The chorus.
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  Of. I'm not sure that I keep.
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  I'm not. Sure.
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  Yeah. I'm not sure I've come to the
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  conclusion that they're wasting our time.
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  Oh no, How many episodes have come out basically halfway done
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  right? Oh it's done like in 4 episodes.
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  Oh but I feel like they're wasting our time with not having
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  piano. Suk give the range he can give
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  and it's all IUIUIU so I have a bit of.
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  A OK, there's a challenge with that.
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  Yeah. Well, we are going to talk all
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  about adult romance and in all its many forms, I guess.
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  So we'll tell you more. But before that, if this is your
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  Carol. Let's talk about adult romance.
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  This is I want to preface this by saying this is not a recap
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  podcast. This is going to be a loose
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  conversation for those who kind of want stories that reflect
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  choice, regret, agency, and maybe are a little bit sexy.
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  Maybe there is some spice to these dramas as well.
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  But I mean, for the most part, the unspoken rule of romance K
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  dramas is that you might have an initial hook of skinship in the
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  show. You know, she trips and falls on
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  his lips sort of thing. You know, some silly thing to
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  get them to kiss, get them to hug something.
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  And then right around episode 10 or 11, you get the first real
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  kiss, the one mistakes, the one with emotion, and then you'll
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  have some awful contrived reason for a late stage breakup in
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  episodes 14 or 15. And then they get back together
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  on the end and it's a happy ending.
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  At no point do we factor in that they have sex.
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  So it's kind of a chaste setup. And we're here to talk about
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  that as well. You know, what are the dramas
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  that fall outside the norm? These dramas that we're going to
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  talk about are not beginner romance key dramas.
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  I think they require a little more emotional literacy, which I
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  will say, like I think by listeners, the The Cave
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  Ramblers, as I don't often call them, I think you you guys
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  definitely have emotional literacy.
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  This is not about soft vibes only romance dramas.
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  We're going to talk more about the realistic side of these
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  stories. And The thing is, I don't want
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  to automatically assume or portray the more realistic K
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  dramas that have sex involved that people talk about in
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  different terms that those are superior than the fluffy,
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  chaste, they never have sex K dramas.
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  You know, those have their place and I love those too, but we're
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  going to just not going to focus on those this time around.
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  I think what we're trying to get at more than the PG13 or rated
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  RK dramas is the fact that the K dramas that are more adults are
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  not ignoring power, class or gender dynamics.
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  You know, these romance stories are messy and I I think that is
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  an interesting thing to look at. Carol, what do you say to this?
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  I'm very excited for this session because I feel like I
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  guess I've grown. Yeah, It's very hard for me to
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  sit down and watch a high school drama these days.
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  I got to like the actor real bad for me to sit through it.
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  And I think as I've grown older, I kind of like to see adult
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  romance, especially because I'm single right now.
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  I just like the idea of seeing the challenges that someone my
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  age might possibly be going through and dating right now.
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  So the last drama or the last two adults romances that I
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  really liked were Love Me, which was very melancholic and The
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  Practical Guide to Love. OK, Yeah.
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  That that show was, yeah, it was good.
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  It was good. Well, talk.
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  To me, about those like, what was, what was adult about it,
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  what was grown about it? OK, so let's start with
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  Practical Guide to Love It stars Hajimeen and Park Sung Hoon.
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  OK, it's talking about this woman.
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  She has her career on straight, like she's doing really well and
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  she's decided, OK, I think I'm ready to date.
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  But Hachimin is working at this hotel and she says she's ready
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  to date. Obviously in Korea it seems when
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  you're ready to date, so getting so blind dates.
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  So you ask someone to introduce you to someone, which I love so
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  much and I wish we did more of over here, but whatever.
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  She meets this guy and for their first date, they're having
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  dinner. They're asking each other
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  questions. She's being very conservative.
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  You know, the natural. I'm an Angel.
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  She's practically wearing a courthouse wedding dress, white
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  one piece. I was just like, this is a lot
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  for me. But he asked a question that has
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  stuck with me and that made me feel like, oh, this is grown up
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  romance. He was like, would you like to
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  date with the intention of getting married?
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  Oh, that's a good one. That's a.
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  Good one. And I panicked that.
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  Would stop me in my tracks. Yeah, intentionality,
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  intentionality. Setting expectations coming in
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  and communicating what your wants and needs are and being
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  like hey look, I'm not here to play.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  And for Hachi Min's character, she ends up pouring, I think
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  coffee or something on herself, so she has to go to the
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  bathroom. But I know, but in her head she
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  was having this monologue of, dude, what the hell, this is our
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  first date. Why are you coming on so strong
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  and, and whatnot. And that's the exact reaction I
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  had. And I was just like, now, hold
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  on. Am I not the same person who's
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  always saying I want people who are intentional, don't waste my
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  time? And then all of a sudden here's
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  someone who's saying that and I'm just like, whoa, this is a
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  bit too much for me, right? So they do the whole the
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  annoying thing of should I text her?
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  Should I not tell let me wait three days, Let me they do that
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  some version of that. She obviously thinks he's not
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  into her. So she meets someone else.
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  Except the person she was supposed to meet brought in a
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  stand in. So the standing comes to the
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  date. They end up having a great time,
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  but the standing is not who she thinks he is.
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  And he On this date is sort of berating her because of the
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  questions she's asking. She's asking very, oh, what do
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  you do for work? And what do you do this?
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  And, you know, like, they're not basic questions, but they're
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  important questions out the gate to see.
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  Are we on the same level, if you will?
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  And so he was berating those questions and it got under his
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  skin a little. They ended their dates.
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  And then they had the most comfortable non pressure getting
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  to know one another. The sparks were sparking.
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  They were like at a playground playing.
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  Like it was amazing. The sparks were there.
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  And I was sitting there like, oh, this is how we get into
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  this. I have too many options because
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  both guys were solid options and in terms of career, the stand in
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  was not where he needed to be. Like she's I'm working at a
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  hotel, I'm a I'm a supervisor of some sorts.
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  And you're on the acting struggle bus like you're trying
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  to find yourself. But he decides for this woman,
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  he's going to step up. So he gets a car.
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  He starts acting like he's doing the things.
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  So to me, I was kind of like, OK, but he's not where I would
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  pick him up or I would have him join me.
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  But he's doing the work. And the other guy, he has
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  everything, but he's too nonchalant.
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  Oh no. And it's it, it was nonchalant
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  in the terms of I'm giving you your space, I want to respect
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  your pace. So I guess that's why I like the
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  show, because eventually both stepped up and she had to make
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  the decision of where she was going to spend her time and who
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  she was going to give her heart to.
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  And to some people, it was an obvious answer.
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  But I think for the first time, I was just like, no, it's not an
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  obvious answer. I can see her with these two
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  people. So that's why I liked it.
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  And then love me. Yeah, love me.
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  Love me. I'm going to be talking about
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  that show with my dad. I convinced my dad.
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  I know I convinced my dad to watch his first K drama.
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  I know. Wow, yeah.
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  Carol, you've been watching K dramas your whole life and your
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  dad's never. Exactly.
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  Exactly. Wow.
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  So I Yeah, what a feat. Yeah, I know.
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  So you. Want him to watch Love Me?
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  He watched it, so we're just waiting for me to get over this
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  cold so we can record. But I felt like you just said.
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  I've watched K dramas all my life and I've always learned
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  life lessons from K dramas and I've been able to talk about
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  those things with people around me.
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  The way I explained it to my dad was like, there's so much I want
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  to talk to you about but I don't know how to start the
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  conversation without AK drama. So I need you to watch this K
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  drama with me. I think the main draw was the
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  show is dealing with grief in many forms, but this one family
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  loses their mom. So you have dad who has taken
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  care of mom for many years because she got a disability.
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  You have the first daughter who is a doctor, blames herself for
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  her mom's accident that gave her the disability.
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  And she is so depressed. That was also the first time I
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  saw someone intentionally choosing to be alone.
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  What? Do you mean alone romantically?
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  Alone, romantically alone. She only had like 2 friends.
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  OK, but she would intentionally push people away.
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  OK, so she was isolating herself.
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  She was isolating herself and this neighbor guy just came into
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  her life and he came at a time where her mom had died.
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  So I think she was also looking for some sort of connection.
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  And they connected. It was just this push and pull
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  of, OK, I'm going to give off myself and something happens and
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  you see her retreat. Funny enough, it's son Hejin who
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  did the trunk. So she was doing the same thing
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  in the trunk. Oh yeah, yes.
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  Where she will, like, she's like going above and beyond, and then
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  she questions herself. And then you see her retreat.
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  She's doing the same thing here. And the reason I wanted to talk
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  to my dad about it was one because of the grief.
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  I lost my mom. He lost his wife.
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  And we've never spoken about it. But we talk about my mom all the
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  time. Yeah.
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  I just thought there's so much there for us to talk about and
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  we've never spoken about my relationships or his for that
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  matter. So I was just like, this is a
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  great opening for both of us. But that show was it was
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  beautiful. It was beautiful.
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  I have no complaints about that show.
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  So those two are the latest adult romance.
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  It's perfect crown and adult romance.
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  I'm in. I'm not sorry that came out
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  really fast but, and this is horrible because I haven't seen
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  it right. I have not seen Perfect Crown,
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  but I don't think so. Carol what?
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  What's your argument for Perfect Crown being an adult romance?
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  I didn't say it's an adult romance.
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  I think it's like a young adult, Roman I I don't know, She's
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  graduated. She's a businesswoman.
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  Right, but I don't think that the the criteria for having a
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  grown romance is necessarily that the characters are older.
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  OK. I think it's definitely has to
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  do with the themes like you're touching on like this drama Love
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  Me has grief mixed into it and a grief journey, depression
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  journey mixed into the plot. I think it's less about
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  perfection, you know, these concepts like desire versus
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  responsibility and that love doesn't fix everything and
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  choosing yourself without villainizing love.
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  You know, chemistry not being enough.
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  Like when love still fails despite you guys having great
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  chemistry. Those dramas are the ones that I
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  think I'm referring to. One could argue that all that
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  you've said is in the perfect crown.
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  Well. I shrugged.
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  I shrugged. I'm just teasing.
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  I get you. I think perfect crown is more
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  for I'm about to finish high school.
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  I'm in college. Like it's younger, it's younger.
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  It's skewing younger is what you're saying.
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  Skewing younger, Yeah. You can't compare it to a trunk
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  or no No love me practical guy to love?
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  Definitely not that. So it's a younger romance.
• 24:03
  Zeroing in on this concept of chemistry isn't enough, and love
• 24:06
  is still failing. The one that comes to mind is
• 24:10
  2521 because. See, I saw that.
• 24:15
  That one I think messed a lot of people up because they went into
• 24:18
  it, He had a certain vibe. It was a coming of age and a
• 24:22
  period piece, and they had wonderful chemistry.
• 24:26
  And girl, I, as soon as he went overseas to cover 9/11, I was
• 24:35
  like, I don't know. And then 2521, that character
• 24:38
  Naido has this big complex about her mom not being present in her
• 24:44
  life because she prioritized her career as a journalist.
• 24:48
  Yeah, it's like a news anchor or something, I think was her mom's
• 24:51
  job. And then him knowing that I'm
• 24:55
  going into the same profession, I'm like, that spelled disaster.
• 24:59
  That had disaster written all over it.
• 25:02
  I felt this was a an expected, totally valid breakup.
• 25:07
  And the consensus, I think, from people who were up in arms about
• 25:12
  it was that they could make it work.
• 25:13
  They should have been able to make it work.
• 25:16
  You know, as you say that I remember feeling flabbergasted
• 25:21
  because obviously I didn't expect them to still stay
• 25:25
  together, OK. But the age gap and the life
• 25:29
  experience gap between those two, I was shocked there was not
• 25:35
  more noise about it compared to some other dramas that we've
• 25:39
  had. And so it was almost like, so if
• 25:43
  there are two hot people, we don't care about the age
• 25:45
  difference, so we don't care about the life gap.
• 25:49
  And I struggled with that. So you struggle with the four
• 25:53
  year age gap between the characters?
• 25:56
  As I said, I'm going down to 26. I know that's loud.
• 25:59
  I know that's loud. We.
• 26:01
  Were literally just talking about what's the lowest we can
• 26:05
  go and you're over. You're like, I've had issues
• 26:08
  with the four year age gap between the malee and female
• 26:12
  lead in 2520. One, no, I don't.
• 26:14
  I don't think it's the age gap. I think it was she was in high
• 26:17
  school and he was out of uni. Was it out of uni?
• 26:23
  What did he drop? Yeah, now I can't remember, but
• 26:25
  yeah, he was definitely college. Age.
• 26:28
  That's the issue I had. OK.
• 26:30
  You're just like Carol. That's not that big of an issue,
• 26:33
  but that's the issue I had. But.
• 26:36
  Sorry, I don't know what to tell you.
• 26:41
  They do grow into an adult romance, but.
• 26:45
  When K dramas let romance be complicated, it's kind of a push
• 26:50
  and pull. I think those are the less
• 26:53
  innocent type of stories that we are talking about already.
• 26:59
  You have on here romance as a bonus book.
• 27:01
  So romance as a bonus, book stars each of suck.
• 27:06
  Yeah. And she is a divorcee.
• 27:12
  Yeah, he's like a Tung Sing, a little brother ish kind of guy
• 27:17
  that has always been in her life.
• 27:21
  She's down on her luck. She needs a job.
• 27:25
  He's a writer or a editor. So he's, yeah, like a a
• 27:31
  publisher. Yeah, he's a publisher.
• 27:34
  He's always liked her. I think he's always liked her.
• 27:36
  So they start cohabitating. She starts working at his place.
• 27:42
  Might you? He didn't know she was staying
• 27:46
  with him. Like they had a scene where it's
• 27:49
  like, you're living with me. What's going on here?
• 27:52
  She ends up secretly living in his house at the beginning of
• 27:55
  the series. Oh, she takes a job as his
• 27:58
  housekeeper. Yes.
• 28:00
  Without him realizing it's her at first.
• 28:03
  Yeah. Anyway, she's squatting.
• 28:05
  Yeah, so she's squatting. Eventually he finds out.
• 28:08
  I think what I liked about that show was her goal was to be a
• 28:15
  writer or a publisher as much as he was.
• 28:20
  Like trying to do the whole you're my woman thing, I want to
• 28:23
  take care of you. I can do this, I can do that.
• 28:26
  She was very much, hey, I need to figure out my life, I need to
• 28:30
  get this done. Mind you, she wasn't really
• 28:32
  looking at him as a romantic interest until much later.
• 28:37
  It wasn't my favorite adult romance, but I think why I put
• 28:41
  it there was the age thing. Like they were out of
• 28:45
  university, like both of them were.
• 28:49
  She was divorced. So she does have more life
• 28:51
  experience than him, the young man.
• 28:54
  In fact, he didn't let it block him or get to him that this is
• 29:00
  someone who's a divorcee or who this is someone who's divorced.
• 29:04
  And I can't be with her and she doesn't have a life together,
• 29:09
  but OK, so I'm gonna support her.
• 29:11
  Alderman I do not like romance as well this book I looked it up
• 29:16
  my old my old review on tip. I can tell.
• 29:20
  And I gave it a two out of five. I did not like this show.
• 29:25
  I thought it was boring, boring, boring.
• 29:28
  But the moment that I really liked in the show, which I'm so
• 29:32
  glad that I wrote this down in a review, is this wild night that
• 29:35
  the female lead has with the two wicked witches of the publishing
• 29:39
  house. She goes clubbing with you son,
• 29:42
  the baddest bitch and cognam, and they make their way to her
• 29:46
  luxurious apartment for a second round and they're hammered and
• 29:50
  they spill their guts about their failed marriages and there
• 29:52
  would be marriages. And this part really sticks out
• 29:54
  in my mind. I remember this even to this day
• 29:57
  because it was surprisingly emotional.
• 29:59
  So Usain's character chooses her career and passion over a
• 30:04
  marriage and then another character is talking about her
• 30:08
  divorce and this one was also quite emotional.
• 30:11
  Made me almost cry. There was a flashback of her.
• 30:15
  It's like a shoe shopping fiasco with her husband not defending
• 30:18
  her. And it was like really the
• 30:20
  strong that broke the camel's back.
• 30:22
  That was the moment that we're flashing back to.
• 30:25
  She's explaining. Of course, that wasn't the only
• 30:27
  reason that she divorced him. It was how she wanted someone
• 30:31
  who helped and supported her, not someone who was embarrassed
• 30:34
  of her, not someone who was was not truly passionate about her.
• 30:40
  It was almost like that moment of I'm not going to settle
• 30:42
  anymore. You know, I'm not going to
• 30:43
  settle for this guy who's just tolerating me.
• 30:46
  Yeah. Despite not me liking the show
• 30:47
  as a whole, this side character's story was poignant
• 30:53
  and quite adult, I thought, yeah, in the grand scheme of
• 30:57
  things. So I'm glad you brought up
• 31:00
  Romance is a bonus book, even if that's not my favorite show.
• 31:03
  I'm sure people really enjoy that show listening.
• 31:05
  And they, and they like the noon of romance and they like the
• 31:07
  cohabitation. And I, I also used to work in
• 31:10
  publishing. So it was like wildly inaccurate
• 31:12
  publishing stuff that I was like reeling.
• 31:15
  You know, I'm sure people that work in healthcare or are
• 31:19
  doctors and they watch a medical show are like, what the hell is
• 31:23
  this? I can't watch this because it's
• 31:24
  so wildly wrong. Yeah.
• 31:27
  I felt that Way about Romance is a bonus book but.
• 31:30
  That that's how I felt about on the way to the airport and even
• 31:35
  Gold Land right now. Oh, really?
• 31:38
  Yeah. And it's like inaccurate because
• 31:40
  you, you know too much, basically.
• 31:42
  Exactly. Oh, I worked at an airport for
• 31:44
  like 7 years, so I'm watching and I'm like, yo, I have to to
• 31:50
  stop myself and be like, you're not in that industry anymore.
• 31:53
  It's OK, Carol. People don't actually know these
• 31:56
  things. Just watch.
• 31:58
  Yeah. So I feel you.
• 32:00
  Going off of the romance is a bonus book, you know, romance
• 32:04
  after the fantasy is gone theme. What are some other shows that
• 32:08
  do the same thing you've got here?
• 32:10
  Go Back Couple, which there is a big deep dive on the podcast
• 32:13
  feed for Go Back Couple if you want to listen to a review of
• 32:16
  it, but it's been a minute. What are your thoughts on Go
• 32:19
  Back Couple? Go back couple is I don't know,
• 32:23
  I think I like second chance romances.
• 32:27
  OK. Sure.
• 32:28
  When you recognize your mistakes and you try and save it before
• 32:34
  it's too late or you even come back and you're like, hey,
• 32:38
  you're the person for me. I think we had What's the name
• 32:43
  of the guy in search WW? Otankiong.
• 32:46
  Yes, in go back couple. Yeah, he's second of all leading
• 32:50
  go back couple so he. Oh my God, He.
• 32:52
  Is so fine. Oh, my God, Yeah.
• 32:57
  I was thoroughly on his side. Yeah.
• 33:00
  I was just like, I'm all for girl.
• 33:03
  Yeah, leave your guy. He did not appreciate you
• 33:06
  enough. Go back to Jiang Kiang or go to
• 33:09
  Jiang Kiang. But there is.
• 33:12
  I think what I appreciate about adult romance is people
• 33:16
  recognize just how much time and effort and they start to reflect
• 33:22
  on the ups and downs, and they sort of do an aggregate of was
• 33:26
  it really always that bad, right, right.
• 33:30
  Or were there some good moments? And were the good moments enough
• 33:35
  for us to like? Sustain us.
• 33:37
  Move on to the next year. Yeah.
• 33:39
  So there were some good moments that kept us going.
• 33:44
  That's what I like about second chance romance.
• 33:48
  I'm not sure if it if fully like embodies a second chance
• 33:52
  romance. Go back couples.
• 33:54
  Definitely a second chance romance.
• 33:56
  The interesting I think part about go back couple was I think
• 33:58
  you had such a great second male lead in chunky young and you
• 34:02
  were totally like, girl, just ditch your husband and go with
• 34:06
  chunky young. Like start over with chunky
• 34:08
  young. You're hot, you're young.
• 34:10
  You know you can get any guy you want.
• 34:12
  Just go get chunky young. You know, her husband is so mean
• 34:16
  and biting and scathing. And I think what ultimately
• 34:20
  brings them back together is their family unit, right?
• 34:23
  They they didn't want to give up on, I think it was a son.
• 34:26
  I think they had a son together. And they were like, if we don't
• 34:30
  get back to the, we'll never have this son, right?
• 34:32
  Yeah. It was quite a different take
• 34:36
  than I have seen in other K dramas where they're kind of
• 34:40
  like, look, I know it's not always going to be great.
• 34:43
  And I and I know that we can reconcile, but also let's get
• 34:47
  our shit together because we have a son that we adore.
• 34:51
  Yeah, that's what I mean by they start looking at just how much
• 34:56
  they've put in and is this something that we really can't
• 35:01
  work through, right. And it's going to take a lot of
• 35:03
  work, but are we willing to do the work?
• 35:07
  Both sides? I'm not going to carry the
• 35:10
  labor. If we're going to go and give
• 35:12
  this a second chance, you better be class prefect running the
• 35:18
  show and I'll be the assistant because yeah.
• 35:21
  Something else and go back couple is that you start to
• 35:24
  realize that's because they both go back in time and to their
• 35:27
  younger selves is that he really does see her right.
• 35:31
  He understands her and there's lots of moments in that show
• 35:35
  where you're like, oh damn, like he has the leg up on Chunky on
• 35:38
  because Chunky on obviously doesn't know her, has not lived
• 35:42
  a life, a married life with her. It's kind of a comfort right to
• 35:47
  have this person who you know, knows all of your
• 35:49
  idiosyncrasies, knows what you're allergic to and, and, and
• 35:53
  sees you in that way versus starting over and having to like
• 35:57
  dig hard packed ground all over again for you to get to this
• 36:02
  level. It's the whole point of am I
• 36:05
  really willing to go do the awkward dates again at this age?
• 36:12
  I know she's back younger, but technically her mind is still a
• 36:16
  40 something year old. Am I really gonna do that?
• 36:20
  You ask any freshly divorced person these days, they'll be
• 36:23
  like dating at like I, I have no idea what to do.
• 36:27
  So it's easier that someone already knows everything about
• 36:31
  you and is willing to do the work to accommodate, to support.
• 36:38
  They just made sense as a couple.
• 36:41
  But that scene where she loses her footing in high heels, Oh my
• 36:47
  God. And she's just like going down
• 36:49
  she goes. Careening down this steep hill
• 36:52
  that I mean, what, what is it? They're going.
• 36:54
  The three girls are going clubbing her and her bestie,
• 36:56
  yes. Back in.
• 36:57
  She's been back in her young body.
• 36:59
  She's hot. She they want to go clubbing.
• 37:02
  So they all wear really impractical shoes, heels to go
• 37:06
  clubbing. And they have to walk down this
• 37:07
  hill. And instead of taking the long
• 37:09
  way around, they actually decide to brave it and walk down this
• 37:13
  hill in these really high heels. And she just goes careening.
• 37:16
  She goes, she loses control and start tumbling down this hill.
• 37:21
  And Chang Kyung catches her at the bottom of the hill and saves
• 37:25
  her ass and when she like slams into his body, I was like.
• 37:30
  Yes. And he wasn't uniform.
• 37:34
  He wasn't. He was cheating.
• 37:38
  I was like, this is cheating. It is cheating you.
• 37:40
  Can't be doing this. You can't do this to me.
• 37:44
  Yeah. Anyway, go watch Go back Couple.
• 37:45
  There's a lot of great moments in that.
• 37:47
  It's so funny as well. It's just very comedic.
• 37:49
  But yeah, it's quite serious. Like the stakes are kind of high
• 37:52
  at the end of the day. You have some other dramas here
• 37:55
  under the divorce tag, Alone in Love, Familiar Wife, The World
• 38:00
  of the Married. I have no frame of reference for
• 38:03
  the World of the Married. I have still not seen it.
• 38:05
  It's really hard to find. Oh, oh, damn.
• 38:09
  I swear it was on Vicki when it came out the first time.
• 38:12
  Girl, I don't know where you you need to find it, but just find
• 38:17
  it. It's that girl.
• 38:19
  No, it is, and she's coming out with another drama like that,
• 38:23
  but it's with Steve, No, I think.
• 38:26
  Steve No, no. Reverend hottie from Pachinka.
• 38:29
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 38:32
  Yeah. I think he's also in perfect
• 38:34
  crown. Yes, but he's such a loser.
• 38:37
  He has been hot since day forever, yeah.
• 38:41
  Him and oh, did you watch that? No.
• 38:46
  On Netflix, whoever is listening.
• 38:49
  Behind every star. Behind every star, Yes.
• 38:52
  OK. Oh, my God.
• 38:53
  You need to watch behind every star.
• 38:55
  What? It is fantastic.
• 38:57
  Get out. It is fantastic.
• 38:59
  I'm not kidding. Yo, Carol, let me tell you
• 39:02
  something. Let me tell you something.
• 39:03
  Linda, listen, Linda, listen. Behind every star, he was in IT
• 39:10
  and he was like an auditor and he came to the entertainment
• 39:16
  company to do an audit. And there was one of these
• 39:19
  managers who she's more free spirited and she likes a guy.
• 39:25
  She's gonna get a guy, and she set her eyes on him.
• 39:30
  Home Girl was pulling every seduction plan out of the
• 39:34
  playbook. Oh, trying to get him OK.
• 39:38
  And he was just like, I'm serious.
• 39:41
  I'm here for the job I'm not doing.
• 39:43
  Guess who folded at some point? Oh, oh, oh, it's.
• 39:50
  It's kicking my feet good. So yes, chat to me about world
• 39:54
  of American though OK I. See you getting comfy in the
• 39:57
  seat like just. So, OK, you have this doctor.
• 40:03
  Yeah, right. I'm following.
• 40:04
  She is a fantastic doctor. First of all, we're in a rich
• 40:08
  neighborhood. Think cul-de-sac, that kind of
• 40:12
  vibe. Everyone is all the neighbors,
• 40:16
  very rich, doctors, lawyers, whatever.
• 40:18
  They're going to have a birthday party for this woman.
• 40:21
  This woman Kim Hayes character comes out into the garden and
• 40:28
  she realizes that her husband is having an affair with this women
• 40:36
  have her age. And that's Han Soi.
• 40:39
  And that's Han Soi. And Han Soi was hot in the show.
• 40:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:45
  She goes into the car. She goes into the trunk.
• 40:48
  She sees, I think, extra clothes, a photo of them.
• 40:53
  She picks up a pair of shears, and she's having this moment of
• 40:58
  I'm gonna stab him. The issue is the picture that
• 41:02
  she saw, all her neighbors were in it.
• 41:06
  So it's like a couple's, a couple's vacation that
• 41:09
  everybody. Went.
• 41:11
  To exactly yes, so she's losing her marbles because everybody.
• 41:17
  Had a party. Everybody knows.
• 41:20
  Oh my God, heads would roll. Heads would roll, yo.
• 41:23
  Oh my God. And Han Soi being the bad bitch
• 41:27
  that she is, of course she goes into the hospital no to taunt
• 41:32
  this woman. She doesn't know that the woman
• 41:35
  knows, right? Tell me why babes went to her
• 41:40
  and it comes out that she's pregnant.
• 41:42
  Who's pregnant? Han Soi.
• 41:44
  Han Soi is pregnant. You're going to have to stop
• 41:47
  telling me everything about the show.
• 41:48
  I got to watch the show. Girl, this shit crazy.
• 41:51
  OK, so why? So how's this grown?
• 41:54
  How's how's this show grown? It's just the betrayal, OK, The
• 42:00
  keeping up appearances, you know, in front of other people.
• 42:05
  We know this relationship is not working.
• 42:08
  Everybody knows this relationship is not working.
• 42:10
  But everybody has been pretending to play this game of
• 42:13
  perfection in a very gritty way that we don't see because the
• 42:19
  other couples are are also going through really difficult
• 42:22
  hardship. But to one up each other or to
• 42:25
  make themselves look good, everyone is sort of swallowing
• 42:29
  their pain and not addressing their pain just so that they can
• 42:35
  save face. And, oh, they have a teenage
• 42:39
  son. So we're also talking about the
• 42:41
  psychological damage that he is going through.
• 42:44
  Yeah. Her best friend, Kim Hay's best
• 42:48
  friend, also a doctor in the hospital, was also condoning the
• 42:54
  cheating. What?
• 42:55
  But smiling to her face. So that's what I mean by Oh my.
• 43:00
  God, so that's like friendship breakups.
• 43:02
  In Yeah, exactly, exactly. So there was just a lot in there
• 43:08
  A. Lot of meat on the.
• 43:09
  Are you going to watch? Are you going to look for it or
• 43:11
  should I give you like a major moment?
• 43:13
  No, no, don't give me anything else.
• 43:14
  Don't give me anything else, OK, Because I don't really want to
• 43:17
  watch for myself. I I think someone's have
• 43:19
  requested it at some point. Also OK for the like to cover
• 43:23
  it. On the podcast you mentioned Han
• 43:25
  Soi. Han Soi has another drama that
• 43:27
  I'd love to talk about and it's nevertheless the way you're
• 43:32
  groaning already. This show is a lesson in what
• 43:36
  not to do. This show is all chemistry
• 43:39
  without compatibility. It's a situationship final boss,
• 43:44
  power dynamics acknowledged but not resolved in any way.
• 43:50
  It's the story of this horrible toxic relationship that costs
• 43:55
  her herself respect and instead of choosing something that is
• 44:01
  better for her, which is basically choosing herself,
• 44:04
  choosing not to enter into this relationship or keep keep up
• 44:07
  with this man. She's like, I don't care.
• 44:11
  I still want to be with him. I see you like just over this
• 44:17
  show. Do we nevertheless piss me off
• 44:20
  and. OK, now how did it piss you off?
• 44:25
  I first of all, I don't see it as an adult romance.
• 44:29
  Really. OK.
• 44:31
  No, as I'm watching it, I'm like, this is the only kind of
• 44:34
  nonsense that will happen when you're in your early 20s
• 44:38
  because. See, that's the thing.
• 44:40
  Why I don't? Think that it's necessarily I we
• 44:42
  said this, I said this before that a grown romance is it's not
• 44:46
  that dependent on age. I I I get it now.
• 44:49
  I I agree. You have a, a, an Ave., which
• 44:55
  is, yeah, this is the stupidity of youth because had this story
• 45:00
  taking place and she's 10 years older, she maybe not, would not
• 45:03
  have made this mistake. Do you know Hanseli if she were
• 45:08
  on Tiktok? She were on Tiktok in those
• 45:10
  days. She'd be giving The Who the F
• 45:13
  did I date story, You know, because that guy was crazy.
• 45:21
  That guy was I and I think what drove me mad was I didn't
• 45:26
  understand his why. That's what I didn't like about
• 45:32
  the story because I'm just like, but why are you like this?
• 45:35
  I'm not seeing any emotional trauma.
• 45:38
  I'm not seeing any. My girlfriends cheated on me, so
• 45:42
  I'm gonna cheat or, or girls used to call me ugly and I went
• 45:46
  for surgery and I became better. So now I became the asshole.
• 45:50
  It was just like, what's wrong with you?
• 45:52
  And that was it. I'm not saying that you always
• 45:55
  need that, but I just hated him. And honestly, I think everybody
• 46:01
  knows I'm a Songkang hater, so. I mean, I am too.
• 46:08
  I haven't flashed our card in a long time, but I am a card
• 46:13
  carrying some kind of hater as well.
• 46:18
  I don't want to. I really don't want to deep dive
• 46:20
  on what I don't like, but this character is a red flag.
• 46:25
  He's a menace to all women and he doesn't even know it.
• 46:28
  He's flirtatious and tantalizing and expert manipulator.
• 46:32
  It just, it takes Hansoe's character like half the show
• 46:35
  just to tell him no at it. Just no for anything.
• 46:39
  They give you next to no information about him.
• 46:41
  Like to your point, yes he is a blank page of a person he has.
• 46:46
  There's nothing. We see no parents, we see no
• 46:49
  siblings, we see no vibrant home life.
• 46:50
  There's no friends of his that we can like.
• 46:53
  Oh maybe we can triangulate his personality based on who he's
• 46:55
  hanging out with. No, nothing.
• 46:57
  Nothing at all. So it's frustrating to see his
• 47:01
  small deceptions and the glimpses into his private life
• 47:05
  are still we're still not able to connect this character in any
• 47:10
  meaningful way. So it really did feel like she's
• 47:13
  torturing herself. Yeah.
• 47:16
  To be with him. Yeah, and that was so silly to
• 47:20
  me. Yeah, it is.
• 47:22
  And all of her friends suck. Like in a way this is adjacent
• 47:26
  to the world of the married because people suck in in world
• 47:30
  of the married. Her friends deceived her and
• 47:33
  didn't let her know about this affair that was so audacious and
• 47:39
  obnoxious. It was in everyone's face except
• 47:41
  for hers. That's a that's a kind of
• 47:44
  portrayal. And all of her friends in the
• 47:46
  Nevertheless show are not really friends.
• 47:48
  They talk shit about her. They gossiped behind her back.
• 47:52
  They sometimes didn't even want her around.
• 47:54
  They never seemed to care for her.
• 47:56
  It was like all of her friends were just acquaintances that she
• 47:59
  met in art school and it they're just 10 Moody kids surrounding
• 48:02
  her at all times. I mean, a lot of issues in that
• 48:06
  show that make it sort of unlikable and every character
• 48:11
  unlikable. I think the 19 plus nature of
• 48:15
  the show where they're constantly having sex in the
• 48:17
  show made everyone sit up straighter because it's not
• 48:21
  typical in AK drama. Yeah, those scenes, some of the
• 48:25
  scenes were really, really hot, not gonna lie.
• 48:28
  They were they? Yeah.
• 48:30
  Something that I remember nevertheless too, is that it
• 48:32
  kind of started with her going to her boyfriend's art
• 48:37
  exhibition. Yes.
• 48:39
  The piece that he has on display at this exhibition is a
• 48:43
  sculpture of her butt naked, bent over a counter, obviously
• 48:48
  in the throes of coitus, mid coitus.
• 48:52
  It is an extremely vulnerable sculpture of her that he never
• 48:56
  told her he was making. She had no idea.
• 48:58
  She just showed up and everyone's like, Oh my God, is
• 49:00
  that the girl in the sculpture? And it was incredibly
• 49:03
  humiliating for her. I thought that was like, what a
• 49:06
  hook to start the show on was to have her in this compromising
• 49:12
  situation and betrayed by a lover, you know?
• 49:16
  You've said something. OK, you've said something.
• 49:20
  Because I think that scene really, I don't want to say give
• 49:24
  me pause, but I thought when I saw that the show was going to
• 49:28
  be talking about consent and what is permissible, what's not
• 49:33
  permissible in a relationship and whatnot.
• 49:36
  But she goes on to have pretty much the same thing with Sunka's
• 49:40
  character. And so like a dog.
• 49:42
  Returns to its vomit. Yeah, so it was just like at the
• 49:48
  end of the show, I. Didn't learn nothing.
• 49:50
  That's not. Sorry, I just.
• 49:55
  The way you jumped up, you were like, yes, you hit on it, yeah,
• 50:01
  but I might just waste. My time.
• 50:03
  No, I don't. Well yes, I think it wasted a
• 50:06
  lot of people's time, but this just goes to show that chemistry
• 50:09
  is not proof of love. That's true.
• 50:11
  So that's true and. That way, the show, the show has
• 50:13
  grown in that way. That's true.
• 50:16
  One of my really good best friends, anytime I'm talking to
• 50:20
  a guy and I'm talking about him, I'm always saying, oh, we have
• 50:24
  banter. And she's like Carol, you always
• 50:27
  concentrate on banter. And that's not the only thing.
• 50:30
  I'm like, I get that, but that's important to me.
• 50:32
  I need banter. Until I grew up and really
• 50:36
  understood, I break the banter. Oh, so I throw the ball and when
• 50:41
  you don't respond, you're out. But if you respond, I'm like,
• 50:45
  oh, OK, OK, OK. Until I realized, no, no, I'm
• 50:49
  the sauce. I'm making these guys nervous
• 50:53
  and I'm. Carrying this team here.
• 50:55
  Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:57
  So I wish we had seen something like that, I guess.
• 51:01
  Some of the stories that I like regarding adult romances and
• 51:05
  grown stories have to do with like the timing is off.
• 51:09
  In a relationship, the timing is off.
• 51:11
  Something in the rain comes to mind and Record of youth comes
• 51:15
  to mind. I wanted to hear more about
• 51:18
  something in the rain. What do you mean timing's off I.
• 51:22
  Don't think that she was ever in a position to accept this man,
• 51:28
  to accept Tung Han's character into her life.
• 51:31
  She's such a weak willed character.
• 51:33
  Weak willed. And I think her family, despite
• 51:37
  everything, all the drama that happens with their Nuno romance
• 51:41
  and how her mom comes between them and her work situation, the
• 51:47
  workplace sexual harassment issues that happen, you know,
• 51:51
  she's got she's got a lot on her plate.
• 51:53
  I don't think she was ever going to fight for that relationship
• 51:55
  later on when you get that time jump, which is madding.
• 51:59
  And you see that much the same way as Han Soy's character.
• 52:02
  Nevertheless, she didn't learn anything.
• 52:04
  And she has another shit boyfriend who's treating her
• 52:07
  terribly, but he's her proper age, you know, an appropriate
• 52:10
  age for her, but he's awful. You are pissed.
• 52:15
  You're pissed with this character, but she realizes
• 52:19
  she's made the wrong choice. The way that she corrects
• 52:22
  everything is she basically says I'm done with this job.
• 52:27
  I I've seen this thing all the way through the sexual
• 52:29
  harassment case or whatever. I've seen it all the way through
• 52:33
  and I'm done. I'm tired.
• 52:35
  And she goes, I think she goes to Cheju Island and like parts
• 52:38
  ways with her family, like disentangles herself finally
• 52:42
  from her family and her mom. And at that point, she is ready
• 52:47
  to accept a relationship with Tung in who does the big work of
• 52:52
  coming to her and saying I'm sorry when really, I'm not sure
• 52:56
  yet had anything to be sorry about.
• 52:57
  But he apologizes to her and they get back together finally
• 53:01
  at the end of the show. But it's it's not quite the
• 53:04
  satisfying ending that everybody wanted.
• 53:06
  And it was all of this drama that felt unnecessary because
• 53:13
  it's all down to her personality.
• 53:15
  OK. In that way, I feel like she
• 53:18
  needed a few years. Here's the thing, and I'll push
• 53:21
  back just a little bit. Do it.
• 53:24
  I, I don't think it was a right person wrong time situation
• 53:29
  because yes, she was weak, but I think she was weak because she
• 53:37
  hadn't anticipated that society and mostly her mom would be so
• 53:46
  against the two of them together.
• 53:48
  And so she's never had to do that work.
• 53:52
  Like some of the stuff her mom said was absolutely cruel, like
• 53:57
  throwing in someone's face that they're orphans or some Oh, it
• 54:01
  was absolute rubbish. I hate the mom.
• 54:03
  I never want to remember her again if I.
• 54:06
  See her on the street. Oh, it's on sites, man.
• 54:11
  It's on sites. I have a few words.
• 54:13
  But with her, I felt like she was #1 she was much older than
• 54:20
  him #2 they had that relationship of her best friend
• 54:25
  is a big sister to this guy. 3. She lives in Korea.
• 54:32
  Just the whole social classes and and all the stuff that makes
• 54:38
  society sometimes challenging and she knew all that.
• 54:42
  I feel like she was a woman who was going with the flow of
• 54:45
  society and even the sexual harassment case and the way it
• 54:49
  was handled, it was almost like what a lot of women experience
• 54:54
  in the workplace and the bullying at work, what felt like
• 54:58
  bullying at work and all of that.
• 55:00
  So she was just going with the flow and almost like, this is
• 55:04
  what women experience. There's nothing different or
• 55:08
  there's nothing special or there's nothing alarming because
• 55:12
  I've heard this from so many women or I've seen this from so
• 55:16
  many women over and over again. And I don't think she even had a
• 55:21
  template for what a good relationship could look like
• 55:25
  because her ex too was kind of trash.
• 55:29
  Yeah, in the way he spoke to her and the way he treated.
• 55:32
  Her mind you, he ends up like kidnapping her.
• 55:34
  It's like this whole thing, it's, it's an entire mess.
• 55:39
  It's an entire mess, but what made it work for me?
• 55:44
  And it's the same thing that's working in UV cells for me.
• 55:49
  I feel like the exuberance of youth on the side of the guy and
• 55:57
  that blind belief that society doesn't matter, the people
• 56:03
  around us don't matter. I'm just, you're my person and
• 56:07
  I'm going to push forward for you.
• 56:09
  And I really think that in a Nuna romance, you need that kind
• 56:15
  of energy because. Naive optimism.
• 56:19
  Yeah, you do. Because at my age I'm thinking
• 56:24
  life is set. I look at a 2 second
• 56:28
  conversation with a guy and I know exact.
• 56:30
  I can map out exactly how it's going to end.
• 56:34
  So I'll immediately say this is not for me.
• 56:37
  You do your thing, I'll do my thing, goodbye.
• 56:40
  But with a younger guy, it's like, I don't know whether they
• 56:43
  don't know or they don't care. Maybe a mixture of both and they
• 56:49
  just go for it. I understand why she left Tujeju
• 56:54
  and she's just like, I can't go back on my word, I can't go back
• 56:59
  on my thoughts. I just need a clean slate to
• 57:02
  start afresh. And if I don't find a guy or if
• 57:05
  I don't get married, this is my lot in life and that's it.
• 57:10
  And she would have gone on that path with her friend at the cafe
• 57:15
  or whatever he would have had in every life to come back to her
• 57:21
  and say, hey, I'm still here for her to be like, oh, OK, maybe I
• 57:26
  can change my law in life. That's why I don't think it's
• 57:30
  it's wrong time. I do think that it took.
• 57:35
  Her time to find her dignity. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:38
  Anyway, so. If she needed that time away
• 57:40
  from her family. She needed time to And The thing
• 57:44
  is, the intervening relationship is so damning 'cause I think
• 57:48
  she. He shows up at a wedding of a
• 57:50
  mutual and she's there arguing with this asshole and you're
• 57:54
  just like why? Why did she make that mistake
• 57:56
  all over again? She found some other douchebag.
• 58:00
  But I think that's the programming.
• 58:02
  Right, and that's what I'm saying is that like she had this
• 58:05
  beautiful relationship that was in a vacuum, right?
• 58:10
  Like they they got their start without anybody knowing about
• 58:15
  their relationship. There was number family
• 58:17
  involved. The sister didn't know her awful
• 58:19
  mother didn't know the brother who's best friends with the
• 58:23
  malely tongue in don't know. It was beautiful.
• 58:26
  And and that's what sucks about it is that you saw how great
• 58:29
  they were together once the world, you know, their world
• 58:34
  found out about it. Everyone was was making a stink
• 58:38
  about it. Literally everybody hated it.
• 58:42
  The fact that this initial shock has worn off right, of them
• 58:46
  being together. It took it took years.
• 58:48
  She had another shitty boyfriend.
• 58:50
  They they were both unhappy and it finally became a better time
• 58:55
  for her that she's like, calm down, I guess a bit.
• 58:59
  And like I said, found her dignity that like now it's OK.
• 59:02
  Yeah, yeah. Which is why I think timing.
• 59:06
  However, yeah, OK, that's not the only thing about this show
• 59:09
  that is incredibly grown. But yeah, they, they're
• 59:14
  compatible. That's what sucks is that
• 59:16
  they're so compatible. They're so in love.
• 59:19
  And it just it, they couldn't make it happen.
• 59:21
  She could not, like, get over herself.
• 59:23
  OK. Yeah.
• 59:24
  No, that's true. She's so filial.
• 59:26
  But that's because she has bought into her program to be
• 59:32
  filial, to not rock the boat at work or wherever, to just try to
• 59:38
  survive in this environment we're in, where he's like, I
• 59:43
  just arrived from the US, I'm riding my bike to work, I'm
• 59:47
  gonna ride circles around you. Like he was just so playful in a
• 59:53
  way that she never was. But yeah, I get you.
• 59:57
  I agree with you. I think she definitely needed to
• 1:00:00
  grow up for them to work again. And the biggest grow up moment
• 1:00:05
  was just ending things with her mom.
• 1:00:09
  I mentioned Record of Youth and really quick.
• 1:00:10
  I also didn't like this show, but this one ends with they're
• 1:00:15
  not. They're not together at the end
• 1:00:16
  of the show. They don't make it.
• 1:00:18
  It's almost up to interpretation.
• 1:00:20
  They kind of meet after a long time and they meet sort of as
• 1:00:23
  old friends. That's the vibe that you get
• 1:00:26
  from these two. It stars Pacbulgam and Pacsidam.
• 1:00:31
  This is a very realistic show. Just like Something in the Rain
• 1:00:34
  where you know the female lead is hustling.
• 1:00:37
  She has a full time job, a condo that she proudly owns, career
• 1:00:41
  aspirations to be a famous makeup artist with celebrity
• 1:00:44
  clientele, and she's working hard, like to hone her craft,
• 1:00:48
  and she's busking in on the street as a live stream makeup
• 1:00:51
  artist. She's doing everything she can
• 1:00:54
  to build credibility and she is not this damsel in distress in
• 1:01:00
  this show, especially when it came to the romantic
• 1:01:03
  relationship with Pak Ball Gums character.
• 1:01:05
  She was very down to earth. She was practical.
• 1:01:08
  She understood that his life as a struggling aspiring actor was
• 1:01:13
  also in flux and she was passionate about his success and
• 1:01:17
  being there for him when he needed and of course backing off
• 1:01:22
  when he needed as well. So she was right.
• 1:01:24
  Really intuitive of a female lead.
• 1:01:27
  Pak Ball Gums character is like a very passive character though.
• 1:01:33
  I see you making faces like you're just like oh man girl.
• 1:01:37
  What's your rebuttal? Do you have thoughts on this?
• 1:01:40
  Character I hated the show. No, it's it's not good.
• 1:01:45
  I I didn't like the show. I only liked 1 scene OK, The
• 1:01:50
  scene where he's acting and I don't know whether he was a
• 1:01:55
  gangster or something. Yes, he's in a suit and he's
• 1:01:58
  fighting. Yes, that was the only scene
• 1:02:02
  that I like in the whole show because I was just like, this
• 1:02:05
  man can act and you people are playing in my face with this
• 1:02:09
  nonsense. Dude, Speaking of, you mentioned
• 1:02:13
  consent. This show has a really steamy
• 1:02:16
  consent moment where they have a kiss in the car and Hejun, which
• 1:02:21
  is Pacquiao Gum's character, asks for asks for permission
• 1:02:24
  1st. And I was like, Oh my God, he
• 1:02:28
  said. I think the direct quote is
• 1:02:29
  there's something I want to do, but I need your permission
• 1:02:31
  first. Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  We have crazy eyes and he doesn't even say what he has to
• 1:02:37
  what he wants to do. She reads his expression and
• 1:02:40
  then gives him permission and they have this amazing soft
• 1:02:44
  kiss. It reminded me of church tongue
• 1:02:46
  soft kiss from the wedding singer.
• 1:02:48
  And she follows that up with I've thought about it and you're
• 1:02:51
  always allowed. Can I be too talking about like,
• 1:02:54
  are we always allowed to kiss each other?
• 1:02:57
  And what he says in response is do whatever pleases you, girl.
• 1:03:06
  No, I ascended. I ascended.
• 1:03:10
  So anyway, even though the show is not very good, the show has
• 1:03:13
  really good consent moments and a practical relationship that
• 1:03:18
  sort of runs its course. And they they break up at the
• 1:03:20
  end of the show. So there's that.
• 1:03:23
  It was youth shows are I'm not a youth anymore.
• 1:03:28
  I've I've accepted it, but like youth shows have that energy of
• 1:03:35
  we're hustling. We're trying to make a name for
• 1:03:37
  ourselves. Like we can't be together
• 1:03:40
  because I'm hustling and I can't take you on right now.
• 1:03:43
  And I know you're dealing with your own thing.
• 1:03:46
  So go do you be great and I'll be cheering you on.
• 1:03:51
  And if we meet at the end, we meet at the end.
• 1:03:54
  If we don't, we don't. Right record of youth had that
• 1:03:57
  Lala land ending. Not a lot of people like that.
• 1:04:02
  I think we have to talk about, I mean I was just talking about
• 1:04:06
  some lines that are really good in record of youth, which is not
• 1:04:08
  a good very boring, but we have to talk about the Worship Me
• 1:04:13
  line in my liberation notes. Yo girl, there are moments in
• 1:04:18
  life. Go.
• 1:04:22
  Everybody needs a worship you moment.
• 1:04:27
  I think I replayed that. I still replay that moment.
• 1:04:32
  It's up there with would you like to date with the intention
• 1:04:35
  of getting married? Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah. Like that's a grown man.
• 1:04:40
  I know myself kind of statements and that was magical.
• 1:04:47
  That was magical. My liberation is this
• 1:04:49
  interesting because it's not quite a romance drama.
• 1:04:53
  It's a really strong, depressing slice of life show that has all
• 1:04:59
  of these siblings who kind of a raging against the mundane,
• 1:05:04
  banal parts of life. You know, you talked about grief
• 1:05:07
  and losing a mother character in another drama.
• 1:05:11
  This drama, My Liberation notes, also deals with that and how the
• 1:05:16
  family dynamic fundamentally changes when the mother passes
• 1:05:20
  away and how they have all of these issues with communicating
• 1:05:25
  with the father, so on and so forth.
• 1:05:27
  So I really, I thought all of that was just excellent.
• 1:05:30
  It's so brilliantly written that show and the romance between Mr.
• 1:05:35
  Goo and are female. Kim Jong UN's character, Yes, it
• 1:05:40
  is Yummy Jong. Yummy Jong is the character's
• 1:05:45
  name. So Mr. Gu and Yummy Jong, I
• 1:05:47
  don't recommend falling in love with an alcoholic, but she made
• 1:05:51
  it look really classy in the show.
• 1:05:54
  And the way that they navigate their various issues that they
• 1:05:59
  have his alcoholism, which is like so shocking.
• 1:06:03
  Like when they enter the. I think that there's one point
• 1:06:05
  where the brother and one other character goes inside Mr. Goo's
• 1:06:08
  house and the floor is covered in greens, Hoji bottles that are
• 1:06:14
  gleaming in the light. And you're just like, Oh my God,
• 1:06:17
  that is a shocking amount of alcohol that this man has
• 1:06:20
  consumed. Moments like that really stick
• 1:06:22
  out my mind as being like, what are we?
• 1:06:25
  What are we watching here? Like this is saying something
• 1:06:27
  really profound. And the worship me line is one
• 1:06:30
  of those moments as well, you know, because she could have
• 1:06:33
  said like, let's start dating, you know, but the worship me
• 1:06:37
  line is imply so much more. The way that he starts to
• 1:06:42
  worship her is, you know, seeing her meeting the demands that she
• 1:06:47
  has, meeting her needs. I think her hat flies across
• 1:06:52
  some Gulch there on their property.
• 1:06:55
  Was it was it a train track? I can't even remember.
• 1:06:58
  No, it was like a a huge gutter. OK, and he gets a running start
• 1:07:04
  and bleeps Olympic style across to get her hat for her.
• 1:07:09
  You know, I think the thing with Yummy Jung's character was she
• 1:07:14
  was invincible in society and invincible at home.
• 1:07:20
  And so his worshipping her, like you said, was seeing her and
• 1:07:24
  seeing her emotions and acknowledging her emotions and
• 1:07:28
  sort of trying to support her. So meeting her when she's coming
• 1:07:32
  back from the train, it took a long ass time for sis to get to
• 1:07:35
  work. And I've done that.
• 1:07:37
  My commute used to be two hours to work and from work.
• 1:07:41
  And I was just like, oh, by the end you're so exhausted and
• 1:07:46
  here's someone who will get you an ice cream or will get you a
• 1:07:50
  bun and and he will also get his soldier bottle.
• 1:07:54
  But I think the conversation around the alcohol and his
• 1:07:58
  drinking, I guess I questioned is it OK if he's not harming
• 1:08:05
  anyone because. He's a drink.
• 1:08:08
  Oh, well, that's yourself. That's your business.
• 1:08:11
  That's not my business. That's not my business.
• 1:08:15
  Well, The thing is. That's, that's what's
• 1:08:16
  interesting as well. That's what's cool, Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  About the show is that Mee Jung doesn't try and solve his
• 1:08:21
  problem. Exactly.
• 1:08:23
  At all. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:08:25
  She just, she just met him where he was at and she just
• 1:08:29
  concentrated on what he could give her and nothing beyond
• 1:08:34
  that. And I don't know if that's
• 1:08:36
  because she herself believed that at the time she didn't
• 1:08:42
  really need anything else or she didn't deserve this or what.
• 1:08:46
  Like, I don't know. I think her her character was
• 1:08:50
  suited for someone like him. Yeah, she bottled her emotions.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah. To the point where you're almost
• 1:08:58
  bamboozled that she doesn't have any.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, but she's an incredibly emotional character, deeply
• 1:09:04
  discontent and lonely. She had a great poker face,
• 1:09:08
  valued her privacy and privacy of thought, and quite a soulful
• 1:09:14
  character. And she sees the same thing in
• 1:09:17
  Mr. Goo, right? The sort of like caged soul.
• 1:09:21
  Yeah, I guess, until she wanted something different for herself
• 1:09:24
  and she was bold enough to go after it is when she realized I
• 1:09:28
  can't be with this guy. Yeah, she shocks him.
• 1:09:31
  Back to life basically with the worship me.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah. We could sit here and do a whole
• 1:09:36
  My Liberation Notes podcast episode.
• 1:09:40
  We could. They soothe each other, and I
• 1:09:43
  think that's the important part of the show is that they kind of
• 1:09:45
  just were therapy for each other in a lot of ways, so it was
• 1:09:50
  intriguing to see them interact and heal over time.
• 1:09:55
  I agree, I like what you have in the notes about desire.
• 1:09:59
  Without fantasy, there was no La La Land like Pretty Woman.
• 1:10:05
  There was nothing about that fantasy like romance about this
• 1:10:11
  show, but they still cared for each other and that was their
• 1:10:16
  person. And it just it definitely
• 1:10:19
  challenged my thoughts because I one hand I'm like, how can you
• 1:10:24
  see danger and you walk towards it and you're like, this will
• 1:10:29
  not affect me. I'm here to just be with you in
• 1:10:33
  this time. I don't.
• 1:10:35
  I don't know if I could do that. One thought that I remember for
• 1:10:38
  the show, my liberation notes, and this will be like the last
• 1:10:42
  thing I say on it, is that MI Jung talks about how she gets
• 1:10:47
  through the day because she's kind of hateful and she's sort
• 1:10:49
  of spiteful on the inside. But she says, I get through the
• 1:10:51
  day by collecting chunks of happiness. 7 seconds of joy.
• 1:10:56
  At the end of the show, you see him doing that, going about
• 1:10:59
  this, this day, and he sees a shy girl in an elevator playing
• 1:11:04
  hide and seek with him. 7 seconds of joy.
• 1:11:06
  He thinks he buys some liquor at the drugstore and accidentally
• 1:11:09
  drops a 500 Wan coin into the gutter.
• 1:11:11
  But as he moves closer to pick it up, it's perfectly balanced
• 1:11:15
  on a single grate. It never fell in.
• 1:11:18
  And so he is like, stunned at this small miracle.
• 1:11:22
  And in that same motion, he, like, apparently stops drinking
• 1:11:25
  cold Turkey. Like he puts down the bottle of
• 1:11:28
  alcohol as a gesture of, you know, sobriety.
• 1:11:31
  You know, hopefully he never picks up the bottle again.
• 1:11:35
  I love that it's not said explicitly, Like none of this is
• 1:11:39
  said explicitly. And how he decides to turn over
• 1:11:42
  a new leaf. Everything about the show is
• 1:11:44
  subtle. I I love that about my
• 1:11:47
  liberation notes and the sort of intimacy that it portrays,
• 1:11:52
  because it's not really sexual intimacy at all.
• 1:11:55
  Loud show, yeah. One show that I brought up in
• 1:11:57
  the Sad K Dramas episode with Lola was The Red Sleeve, and I
• 1:12:02
  think the Red Sleeve is kind of grown and it surprised people
• 1:12:06
  because it was a love that was constrained by power.
• 1:12:11
  Yes. I think the ending of that
• 1:12:14
  surprise people, but really it was sort of a bittersweet love.
• 1:12:19
  I think that was a good representation of when love
• 1:12:24
  interacts with power and you're not on an equal footing.
• 1:12:29
  Because I feel like if she had been of noble birth, that it had
• 1:12:34
  been recognized and her family or whoever was still alive and
• 1:12:39
  they were a minister and, and they were trying to get
• 1:12:42
  political power, etcetera, etcetera, I don't think their
• 1:12:46
  love would have ended in the same way.
• 1:12:49
  I 100% think she would have still been lonely.
• 1:12:53
  That's without a doubt. Because I find it's very, from
• 1:12:58
  what I've seen, there are a lot of lonely married women, which
• 1:13:02
  we don't talk enough about. But anyway, that's for another
• 1:13:05
  day. I just feel like because she was
• 1:13:08
  a servant before she was put to the side, the system put her
• 1:13:13
  aside. I'm not sure it was necessarily
• 1:13:16
  him. He definitely made some
• 1:13:18
  decisions, but I think the system kept her in a in a space
• 1:13:23
  that it wasn't fair to their love.
• 1:13:26
  Oh, I like that. I mean, their love.
• 1:13:28
  It goes so far that on her deathbed she's like, I don't, I
• 1:13:32
  don't want to do this again. Next, this time you see me in
• 1:13:35
  the next slide, don't talk to me.
• 1:13:38
  I don't want to hear about it because it was so detrimental to
• 1:13:42
  her to lose her freedom. Even though she loved him, and
• 1:13:45
  she loved him very deeply, It cost her a lot.
• 1:13:49
  It did. It did.
• 1:13:50
  And that's something that in the beginning she fought so hard
• 1:13:54
  against. Like she has seen the cost of
• 1:13:57
  love on women in relationships. And she's like, I don't want any
• 1:14:02
  of that. I want to be the rich auntie I
• 1:14:05
  want to be. I want to be like the Joan of
• 1:14:09
  Arc I like. That's my track.
• 1:14:12
  I don't need this kind of love. But because of who he was, I
• 1:14:17
  just, I guess, just his affection for her.
• 1:14:21
  She was swallowed up by it and put in a chamber.
• 1:14:28
  Yeah. And so her life did not turn out
• 1:14:32
  how she had dreamed it would turn out.
• 1:14:36
  And she did. I think she lost more than she
• 1:14:40
  definitely not lost more than he did.
• 1:14:42
  So I can understand her when she says, you see me next time, go
• 1:14:46
  the other way. She's like, I never want to be
• 1:14:49
  with you. I like next life.
• 1:14:52
  I'm allergic to you. Yeah, another period piece that
• 1:14:57
  it's not the same, but it has a lot of layers to it and it's my
• 1:15:02
  dearest. Oh my TRS, my God yes.
• 1:15:07
  Talk to me about it. Man, I'm just thinking like this
• 1:15:11
  guy, this guy went to war for her and she was with everybody
• 1:15:17
  else but him for the longest time.
• 1:15:19
  She's very proud and arrogant of a character and just kind of
• 1:15:23
  unlikable until she gets humbled by wartime basically and grows
• 1:15:29
  up, right. She was very she was a child at
• 1:15:31
  the beginning of the show and she grows up in tumultuous
• 1:15:34
  times, having to be a leader for the other female characters in
• 1:15:39
  the show, assertive. And all of these qualities that
• 1:15:42
  made her unlikeable make her make her a survivor.
• 1:15:44
  But their romance feels very mature.
• 1:15:47
  It feels so mature, feels grown ahead of its time.
• 1:15:52
  Like for this time period, it feels ahead of its time because
• 1:15:54
  she gets captured and is sold into slavery.
• 1:15:58
  He gets her out, but not before being completely devastated by
• 1:16:02
  her circumstances and where he's found her.
• 1:16:06
  And there's a lot of stuff that's left unsaid.
• 1:16:09
  You can kind of guess that what kind of experience she's had,
• 1:16:12
  that she's maybe been sexually assaulted while being enslaved.
• 1:16:17
  And that's a death sentence in this like, deeply Confucian
• 1:16:21
  patriarchal society. It's a shunnable offense, you
• 1:16:26
  know, a divorceable offense. When she finally reveals what
• 1:16:31
  happened, she's completely vulnerable with him.
• 1:16:34
  He is so kind and caring toward her.
• 1:16:37
  I, you know, he says something like I would tell her that she
• 1:16:40
  was because she gives it in a hypothetical, right?
• 1:16:42
  She tells him the truth in this hypothetical.
• 1:16:44
  Like what if I told you this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:47
  And he's so gentle with her and says, you know, I'd give her a
• 1:16:51
  hug because she she had a hard time.
• 1:16:53
  Yeah, that drama. And it's a beautiful moment.
• 1:16:56
  Yeah, I like what you said about it being a mature drama, even
• 1:17:01
  though technically you could say maybe she was 19 or 20 at that
• 1:17:06
  time. I mean similar to Naido in 2521,
• 1:17:11
  but I digress. You're doing too much.
• 1:17:18
  Not in hands up like Freeze. You need to watch.
• 1:17:25
  That's so funny the way I reacted to that, like, Oh my
• 1:17:27
  God, I can't believe you're bringing that up.
• 1:17:29
  But you're right. I no, no, you don't.
• 1:17:32
  Wasn't she 18 or 17 or some shit like that?
• 1:17:36
  God, I think she was a maybe 18 or 19 I think at the start of
• 1:17:41
  the show. At the start of the show, yeah,
• 1:17:43
  yeah, I thought she was 16 at the start of the show.
• 1:17:48
  I think they should. The show takes place over
• 1:17:49
  several years and at the end when they break up, the ages are
• 1:17:52
  25 and 21. OK, then, maybe I was doing too
• 1:17:55
  much. But back to my dearest.
• 1:17:58
  Yes, yes, I'm pleased. I wonder if romance, adult
• 1:18:04
  romance, can be without trauma. Oh.
• 1:18:09
  And I think it's can, but I wonder if I don't think it can
• 1:18:14
  in a historical drama context, but I think it can in a modern
• 1:18:19
  drama because the practical guide to love, no trauma.
• 1:18:22
  Well, a female lead, her parents don't like each other and you
• 1:18:26
  know, they're separated, if you will.
• 1:18:28
  So there's a there's a little bit of trauma, but not like my
• 1:18:31
  dearest level, no. I think the historical, it's
• 1:18:35
  usually kind of a larger than life story and.
• 1:18:37
  Exactly. You do have, I mean, heavy
• 1:18:40
  trauma and and that's, I think, yeah, common for true
• 1:18:45
  historicals, right. Yeah, And my dearest, it really
• 1:18:50
  boiled down to she did not believe him because there's a
• 1:18:55
  scene that sticks in my head when she was supposed to meet up
• 1:19:00
  with him and they were going to run away together and she never
• 1:19:03
  showed up. Years later, they're having a
• 1:19:05
  conversation and he's like, why did you choose them over me?
• 1:19:10
  And she said, because you are fine.
• 1:19:13
  Like all those other people needed me and I could be a hero
• 1:19:19
  for them. But you, you're your own hero.
• 1:19:22
  Like you got your shit together. You're you're fine.
• 1:19:25
  And he's like, what made you think I'm fine?
• 1:19:28
  What made you think I could live a life without you?
• 1:19:34
  It's because homeboy was too capable.
• 1:19:36
  I don't know what to do. Too confident?
• 1:19:38
  Oh. No.
• 1:19:41
  Oh, no, no. Was that Justin Bieber?
• 1:19:46
  Oh, no. Oh no.
• 1:19:48
  She's confident. Exactly.
• 1:19:51
  OK, I'm sorry. I need to bring it back in.
• 1:20:02
  I know I see you like just trying to read it in.
• 1:20:06
  Exactly anytime I hear like a sound, I always do a TikTok
• 1:20:12
  sound that matches it and I'm just I get carried away.
• 1:20:15
  So I need to like pull myself back in.
• 1:20:18
  But because he was so capable and because he gave that Playboy
• 1:20:22
  energy, she felt like, oh, he wasn't taking me as seriously,
• 1:20:28
  which was crazy. Which was crazy because it makes
• 1:20:33
  me feel like she was seeing herself in him because now I not
• 1:20:38
  now. But then I was wondering, are
• 1:20:41
  you not taking your love for that weasel seriously?
• 1:20:46
  Because the stuff you were trying to do with him, that's
• 1:20:51
  what Homeboy is doing with you, and you're not accepting it
• 1:20:55
  because to you, you're playing with Weasel at the end of the
• 1:21:00
  day. Oh.
• 1:21:00
  Is Weasel are you talking about the second male lead?
• 1:21:03
  Oh yeah, Who else will I be talking about?
• 1:21:06
  Talking about the guy who married the best friend.
• 1:21:09
  I call him Weasel. He was Weasel.
• 1:21:11
  OK, yeah, I love your nickname, Weasel.
• 1:21:16
  What is the name of that character?
• 1:21:18
  I don't even know. Yonjun.
• 1:21:21
  Weasel, Yonjun. Weasel, Yonjun.
• 1:21:24
  I just felt like the methods EE Jiang Hyun's character used were
• 1:21:31
  the same things that Kichi's character or Kichi was using in
• 1:21:36
  the beginning, so she never took it as seriously and for her.
• 1:21:42
  She thought she was. Going to be liked, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:45
  She thought she was getting played and so she chose other
• 1:21:50
  people. And she was wrong.
• 1:21:53
  Wrong. Wrong.
• 1:21:55
  Let's talk a little bit and then she was super wrong.
• 1:21:58
  Let's talk a little bit about second chance romance.
• 1:22:01
  Again, I know we mentioned go back couple earlier, but there's
• 1:22:05
  two that I would love to talk about and one is our beloved
• 1:22:08
  summer, which I think is low key a ground show.
• 1:22:10
  I think a lot of people had issues with our beloved summer.
• 1:22:13
  They thought it was boring and they thought it was slow.
• 1:22:16
  What? That's with Cherishik, right?
• 1:22:19
  Yeah, Tehushik and Kim Dummy. Oh, I like that one.
• 1:22:23
  I really love our beloved summer.
• 1:22:26
  It is like a warm blanket on a cold day, and it's quite
• 1:22:30
  comforting to show. But that relationship is a
• 1:22:33
  second chance romance. It is.
• 1:22:35
  She basically has to get over her own complex.
• 1:22:39
  Yes. With him, because he he's lived
• 1:22:41
  kind of a great life and she's had to struggle for everything
• 1:22:44
  she's got. You know what it is.
• 1:22:46
  Another example is she's a type A or she was a type A character
• 1:22:51
  and he's definitely a Type B guy.
• 1:22:55
  Yeah. And there's some resentment
• 1:22:57
  towards type B people. Oh as a type A?
• 1:23:01
  Because what do you mean? I'm working 5011 different jobs
• 1:23:07
  trying to make ends meet and you're just existing.
• 1:23:12
  You're. Just trying little pictures and
• 1:23:15
  you got a full ride scholarship to study abroad and you're just
• 1:23:19
  not going to take it. Exactly.
• 1:23:23
  And not only that, you don't seem to care about life and the
• 1:23:27
  things that I care about. Yes, it's the difference between
• 1:23:32
  a very careful person and a carefree.
• 1:23:35
  Person and honestly I understand their resentments because
• 1:23:40
  personal story but I used to have a home girl and pandemic we
• 1:23:46
  both lost our jobs. We were doing the same jobs and
• 1:23:50
  she went on, she went home and she was living at home and she
• 1:23:54
  would call me every day telling me about how she wasn't happy
• 1:23:58
  and and her parents are making her pay rent.
• 1:24:02
  Mind you, I've been paying rent since I was 18 or 17.
• 1:24:06
  So I was like, your parents are making you pay rent for the
• 1:24:09
  first time in your life, and we're like 30.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah. So and then it was always like,
• 1:24:15
  as soon as she had a challenge in life, I would be the first
• 1:24:20
  call. She'll tell me what it is and
• 1:24:23
  she'll say what should I do? And she'll be crying and she's
• 1:24:26
  like, please tell me what to do. I don't know what to do.
• 1:24:29
  And I found myself being resentful because I'm just like
• 1:24:34
  my friend, the challenges you're going through it, it doesn't
• 1:24:39
  hold to the a candle to the challenges that I go through.
• 1:24:43
  And I don't know why this is a big deal.
• 1:24:45
  And I think it's because when I was growing up, my dad was a
• 1:24:49
  very critical thinking. You will sit there and you'll
• 1:24:53
  solve the problem and you'll tell me why.
• 1:24:56
  So I got annoyed that other people don't do that.
• 1:25:00
  I didn't have the patience. Figure it out.
• 1:25:05
  Yeah, I didn't have the patience for people who didn't figure it
• 1:25:08
  out. And I had to learn through that
• 1:25:11
  and be patient and realize, hey, other people have like,
• 1:25:15
  different experiences. But I did have a conversation
• 1:25:18
  with her and I was like, girl, you got to figure it out.
• 1:25:21
  You have to figure I can't keep giving you advice when I think
• 1:25:27
  it was also, I wasn't getting the support I thought I wanted
• 1:25:32
  to. So it was just like, why am I
• 1:25:35
  always supporting you and nobody is supporting me?
• 1:25:37
  It was a very childish time in my life.
• 1:25:39
  I accepted. But yeah, with our beloved
• 1:25:43
  Summer, I felt like that with Kim Dami's character.
• 1:25:47
  I think her name was Cook Yongsu or Yongsu.
• 1:25:51
  I think that's right, yeah. Go with that.
• 1:25:53
  So Jansu is like I am hustling my ass off and all you had to do
• 1:25:59
  was scribble in your book. Never disparage.
• 1:26:03
  One, we're not trying to disparage artists, OK?
• 1:26:06
  No, we're not. I don't.
• 1:26:07
  Want anybody coming to my teams and being like I draw for a
• 1:26:09
  living. I don't like what you said about
• 1:26:11
  our OK, OK. Oh my God no, I draw too.
• 1:26:15
  Please. I'm just talking about the type
• 1:26:18
  A mental mind of Wow. I don't feel like you worked as
• 1:26:24
  as hard as me. And you wouldn't understand me.
• 1:26:28
  You wouldn't understand because she's working through her own
• 1:26:31
  complexes. So she had to, yeah, she had to
• 1:26:35
  work through her own. So I really like that about our
• 1:26:39
  beloved summer. And it feels valid when they
• 1:26:42
  finally kind of get back together.
• 1:26:43
  And then he asked like, why look, why did we break up?
• 1:26:46
  I'm not even quite sure. So yeah, I love that.
• 1:26:50
  And, you know, the regret of giving up on it and stuff like
• 1:26:54
  that because they had something special and they were young and
• 1:26:57
  they were in love. And you know, she breaks it off
• 1:27:00
  so suddenly. So I love, I love that about our
• 1:27:02
  beloved 7 Feels grown. The other one that I wanted to
• 1:27:05
  bring up was what comes after Love.
• 1:27:07
  This is a very beautiful show. It's one of those J drama K
• 1:27:12
  drama crossovers. Oh yes, with the cute Japanese
• 1:27:16
  guy, yes. That's why, yes, this story, I'm
• 1:27:21
  not going to spoil it, but it's basically a very bittersweet
• 1:27:24
  story. Reminded me a lot of the before
• 1:27:26
  trilogy a lot. You know, they have this
• 1:27:29
  transformative experience together.
• 1:27:31
  They fall in love, but then they part ways, they reunite and he's
• 1:27:36
  written a book about her that's inspired by her.
• 1:27:38
  It's like to AT very the before trilogy.
• 1:27:42
  It's another second chance romance that feels I.
• 1:27:46
  Agree. It's on Vicky.
• 1:27:47
  I think it's still on Vicky if you want to watch that.
• 1:27:50
  But yeah, it was a very beautiful cross country.
• 1:27:55
  Collaboration. Yeah.
• 1:27:58
  I think the last thing that I wanted to chat about was dramas
• 1:28:02
  that do sex. The first up love to hate you.
• 1:28:07
  Oh my God, let's talk about love to hate.
• 1:28:10
  You do it. That show was for grown folks.
• 1:28:15
  It that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:28:19
  That was adult romance and I'll and I'll give you AI guess a
• 1:28:24
  difference when you watch Practical Guide to Love with
• 1:28:29
  Park Sung Hoon and Hachimin. They had a innocence about them
• 1:28:35
  even though they were in like their mid 30s and that pissed me
• 1:28:40
  off so much. It felt like they were in a
• 1:28:44
  relationship for the first time ever and they were doing the
• 1:28:48
  whole even though he knew what he wanted.
• 1:28:51
  It was just like, oh, can we hold hands?
• 1:28:54
  And there was just a purity that purity culture comes through
• 1:28:59
  where in love to hate you. It felt more practical.
• 1:29:04
  I like you, you like me. Let's let's get on when they did
• 1:29:08
  get to that point first. It was just set, Yes, the whole
• 1:29:12
  thing about it was just so sexy. It was so bad yo.
• 1:29:17
  We're just looking at each other.
• 1:29:19
  I know. Yeah, it, I mean, I love, love
• 1:29:22
  to hate you and I, we could do a whole podcast episode.
• 1:29:25
  I'd love to hate you. But really, that's one where the
• 1:29:28
  sex is not like you mentioned the the the purity culture
• 1:29:32
  that's pervasive in K dramas. That is not the case in this
• 1:29:36
  this this isn't like the first time they've ever heard of the
• 1:29:39
  birds and bees. Like, you know, we're grown,
• 1:29:42
  we're mature, we can talk about it.
• 1:29:44
  I can sleep over your house. You know, I'm a freaking lawyer.
• 1:29:48
  You know what I'm saying? Like I have a whole ass career.
• 1:29:53
  So love to hate you is on this list.
• 1:29:54
  I also wanted to bring up Hit the Spot.
• 1:29:56
  Yeah. Hit the Spot is about 2-30
• 1:29:59
  something gals running a sex podcast and there is loads of
• 1:30:03
  sex in the show, pretty pretty explicit, but they talk about it
• 1:30:08
  like the dynamics that are at play and they talk about sex
• 1:30:13
  toys in the show, all kind of stuff.
• 1:30:15
  It was a great forward show, which which I don't want to say
• 1:30:21
  Korea is not forward. I think they're very forward.
• 1:30:24
  I do question that purity culture BS and I tie it in with
• 1:30:31
  just the pressure they put on women and misogyny and all those
• 1:30:34
  things. But if you're looking at shows
• 1:30:37
  from way back when, let's say Somerset, right?
• 1:30:40
  So we're talking like 2008 ishore earlier.
• 1:30:45
  Even then you watch AK drama by someone and you go see them in
• 1:30:50
  AK movie. Oh my God.
• 1:30:53
  Damn, you're like, where did the purity go?
• 1:30:57
  And that's why when I watched Konyu in the trunk, I knew what
• 1:31:01
  his ass looked like already. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:31:03
  Yes, because I think you in movies and the woman.
• 1:31:09
  Yo, if you. Haven't what is that he's having
• 1:31:11
  he's having sex with? She did a crash course in
• 1:31:14
  romance. Yes, and.
• 1:31:16
  Tone do yon. Yes.
• 1:31:18
  Tone do Yon and Konyu did this movie called A Man and Woman,
• 1:31:23
  and I think they're having sex in a remote sauna in Finland.
• 1:31:28
  Do I have that correct? It was a sauna cabin.
• 1:31:32
  Yeah. Yeah, I knew about.
• 1:31:36
  It that that movie was a very complicated right person, wrong
• 1:31:43
  time. Desire does not equal safety.
• 1:31:46
  Like all the things that you've written in your in your notes,
• 1:31:50
  that movie embodied it. Love versus responsibility and
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  the sex scenes. Jesus Christ.
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  OK, Oh my God, we have to talk about search www.which yes, that
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  was the very first review that you were on on Payback.
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  Yes, my baby. My baby.
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  But there's a lot of sex in that, and the relationships are
• 1:32:15
  pretty well done, like all three of.
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  Them. Yeah, Especially the woman who's
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  married John Hagen's character. So John Hagen is, how did you
• 1:32:28
  remember an amazing actress? I don't know.
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  OK. Keep going.
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  No, no, no, no. Let me let me clarify.
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  I think about her a lot. Oh, really?
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  I do especially. Because of her husband.
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  I thought about her before her husband because I guess I don't
• 1:32:45
  want to say I was there when they got married, but I think
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  they got married in 2009. And I was like, in my, I'm
• 1:32:53
  reading every blog, I'm waking up to watch stuff.
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  Like I was there in my head. So I loved them as a couple.
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  And I understood way back when that she was making a huge
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  sacrifice and she was the biggest star when they got
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  married. So when all that shit came up, I
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  was like, damn, see this, this is what we're talking about when
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  women sacrifice so much in marriage.
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  And then, you know, he passed on.
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  And I've just been waiting for her to come back and for the
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  entertainment industry to give her a chance to come back.
• 1:33:30
  So I've been following her career.
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  She's coming up with a drama this month called Reborn Rookie,
• 1:33:36
  so I'll be watching. But anyway, yeah, I loved her
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  character in Search WWW because her marriage was so complicated.
• 1:33:47
  It was awful. Yes, it was.
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  That man loved her and at the same time he did it or did he
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  like it was just So what kind of relationship is this and why is
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  it still working? They just understood their roles
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  and their partnership. And I do think he adored her
• 1:34:07
  because he was throwing everyone under the bus just so that
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  nothing would touch her. And eventually they do get back
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  together and it's so cute. But he.
• 1:34:18
  Loved her to the point of destruction.
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  So I also want to bring up and this is an oldie the In Need of
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  Romance series. Do you recall this series in
• 1:34:31
  need of? Romance.
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  I need romance. I'm sorry, I need romance.
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  Do you recall the I Need Romance series?
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  I remember 1. I think I remember the others
• 1:34:42
  more. I remember 1 the best.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  But you know why? Because I haven't watched the
• 1:34:50
  other two. So I need I need Romance was
• 1:34:56
  basically Korea's answer to Sex and the City.
• 1:34:59
  Yes. And it had these ladies
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  traipsing around in various states of romance and they were,
• 1:35:08
  they were having sex. And it was quite revolutionary,
• 1:35:11
  I would say, for the K drama landscape.
• 1:35:13
  Yeah, I'm trying to think. I think there were some other
• 1:35:17
  dramas like Thalja Spring, which did some stuff there too.
• 1:35:23
  But I hear you. Talk to me about Thalja Spring.
• 1:35:26
  Oh wow, Thalja Spring is about a 33 year old woman and we don't
• 1:35:33
  see her the actress acting anymore but I believe her name
• 1:35:37
  was Cherim. Cherim.
• 1:35:39
  And if I got her name. Right.
• 1:35:41
  It is Ted Tedim. I don't know how.
• 1:35:43
  How did you do that? Stop it.
• 1:35:45
  It is and even key is in it. E Kimmel is in it.
• 1:35:49
  Yes. OK.
• 1:35:51
  Listen, OK, so she's a a home shopping host.
• 1:35:56
  Yeah, TV host. No, a producer or a host.
• 1:35:59
  One of them, it's been a long time, people, but she gets
• 1:36:03
  dumped and it it's very much, I'm finding myself I'm going to
• 1:36:09
  make it work, kind of show where it centers around, I want to say
• 1:36:14
  two or three women. One of them is a much older lady
• 1:36:19
  who also is a host. Think Miranda Priestly.
• 1:36:24
  So she's very fashionable. She's very cutthroat.
• 1:36:27
  She's very sexy. Has all the men.
• 1:36:30
  Yeah. Has all the men wrapped around
• 1:36:34
  her finger. And she even at some point in
• 1:36:38
  the show, gets pregnant. So it's like a geriatric
• 1:36:42
  pregnancy. And they talk about her
• 1:36:44
  experience and all of that, which I thought was fantastic
• 1:36:46
  too, But with Chering. Chering was a mess.
• 1:36:51
  I'm like home girl, you can't be 33 and not have your shit
• 1:36:55
  together. And she ends up hiring E Minke's
• 1:36:59
  character to be a pretend boyfriend because she doesn't
• 1:37:03
  want to be embarrassed around her social circles.
• 1:37:07
  So he's a boyfriend for hire. They just start with the hijinks
• 1:37:11
  and he ends up cohabitating with her at one point, which I love.
• 1:37:18
  A good cohabitation, like put me under the same roof.
• 1:37:21
  I love that. Forced proximity for the win.
• 1:37:25
  Exactly, in this show he looks like a beggar.
• 1:37:29
  What do you mean he looks like like a?
• 1:37:32
  Like a look of photos. Hold on now, I'm going to look
• 1:37:34
  up photos of him. He looks like a homeless person
• 1:37:37
  in this show and it wasn't like the fashion kind that we see on
• 1:37:41
  the streets these days. Wear the shirt has holes and
• 1:37:44
  it's Balenciaga or some shit. No, no, it was like he didn't
• 1:37:48
  really care. So he was always challenging
• 1:37:51
  her. She's trying to get him to dress
• 1:37:53
  up and and be perfect and whatnot.
• 1:37:57
  And he's like, I don't care about these things.
• 1:37:59
  You should care about me. And if you want me to do all
• 1:38:02
  those things, then buy my shit. Come to find out, this matter is
• 1:38:06
  a lawyer. He's a what ass lawyer yo.
• 1:38:11
  Oh. My God.
• 1:38:12
  OK so where can I watch Talja Spring?
• 1:38:17
  That's another thing you have to find.
• 1:38:20
  It used to be on Vicky. I wonder if it's on Cocoa?
• 1:38:23
  You're right, it's on Cocoa right now.
• 1:38:26
  See. I know my shit.
• 1:38:27
  Yeah, you do, You do. OK.
• 1:38:31
  So Talja Spring, it's a spicy, the show spicy.
• 1:38:34
  It's spicy. OK.
• 1:38:36
  I I, yeah, it's spicy. Especially with Lee He Yong's
• 1:38:41
  character. She's very.
• 1:38:43
  I'm a grown woman. Don't don't play games with me.
• 1:38:46
  I want you. You come, I say go.
• 1:38:48
  You go. Like it was.
• 1:38:50
  Yeah. Oh wow.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah, she was really good at that.
• 1:38:54
  Are there any other shows that you would love to bring out?
• 1:38:56
  Have you seen Hyena? No, no, I haven't.
• 1:39:01
  Why that's No, that's a legit question.
• 1:39:04
  Why haven't you seen Hyena Listeners?
• 1:39:07
  Hyena is on Netflix. Do yourself a favor.
• 1:39:09
  It's starring Juji Hun and Kim Jesu.
• 1:39:12
  I don't know why I know the names, but it was a grown up
• 1:39:16
  show where it was a mix. They're both lawyers and it's
• 1:39:21
  like seduction on law. Who's gonna win?
• 1:39:25
  What do I need? To do, to win.
• 1:39:26
  That's why I watch it, 'cause they're lawyer, it's a law.
• 1:39:29
  I don't do OK. You didn't watch Secret Love
• 1:39:33
  Affair. Let's talk about Secret Love
• 1:39:35
  Affair. Is that with UIN?
• 1:39:37
  Yes. OK, yes, I've heard of the show,
• 1:39:40
  but tell me about it. Just what are you doing with
• 1:39:43
  life? It's not like I'm not watching
• 1:39:47
  anything. Secret Love Affair came out
• 1:39:52
  couple of years ago and it stars UIN and Kim Hee.
• 1:39:57
  So it came out 2014. So oh.
• 1:40:02
  But Kim PE is an instructor, I think classical music and Yuan's
• 1:40:09
  character is a genius student and they get into an illicit
• 1:40:14
  affair and just trying to cover it up.
• 1:40:17
  Kim PE is character is married and the husband is in their
• 1:40:21
  circle and their friends are in their circle.
• 1:40:24
  So I think, mind you, Kva did world of a married.
• 1:40:29
  I just think she's fantastic at those psychological thriller
• 1:40:33
  romance shows. So that's my cell to you.
• 1:40:37
  OK. We we talk about desire and
• 1:40:41
  power and it blows up in their face.
• 1:40:45
  And who gets punished and should someone be punished?
• 1:40:48
  He's a uni student. She's a uni professor.
• 1:40:51
  Like, yeah, so there's talk about consent, power, desire.
• 1:40:56
  Gosh, desire. Oh, Speaking of desire, OK, bad
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  guy with Kim Nam Gill. No.
• 1:41:04
  Please tell me you've watched it.
• 1:41:05
  No, no. Oh my God.
• 1:41:08
  OK, please add it to your list. That's all.
• 1:41:10
  Oh. My God, what's it about?
• 1:41:14
  Like tell me about it. Bad guy Kim Nam Gill goes in for
• 1:41:21
  revenge I believe, and he falls in love with.
• 1:41:28
  Hey, he looks really good in this show.
• 1:41:30
  Yo-yo let. Me tell you something that.
• 1:41:33
  Real good. Oh my.
• 1:41:35
  God the bad. Synopsis Oh my God, the plot
• 1:41:39
  synopsis from Asian. For the show.
• 1:41:43
  I'll read you the first sentence.
• 1:41:44
  Yeah, Konok is a sexy man and highly ambitious.
• 1:41:50
  Period. That's the first sentence of the
• 1:41:52
  synopsis for Bad Guy. And they're not lying.
• 1:41:59
  Dying. Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  This is from 20/10/2010. There is a scene in the show
• 1:42:06
  that lives right free in my head.
• 1:42:08
  Oh Lord, there's an elevator scene.
• 1:42:11
  Oh, you know when you're in the elevator and there's so many
• 1:42:15
  people around, so you're pushed back to like the back against
• 1:42:20
  the wall? Do they take it to the FTH
• 1:42:22
  degree? Cause I've seen that a million
• 1:42:24
  times. And they do this hand touching
• 1:42:29
  caressing thing in the back. Lord, I'm mercy.
• 1:42:33
  Lord have mercy. It was, it was something.
• 1:42:37
  It was something. And are you going to watch it or
• 1:42:41
  should I? No.
• 1:42:42
  Don't spoil it. I don't spoil it for me.
• 1:42:44
  Don't spoil it. I will watch it eventually for
• 1:42:47
  sure. Oh man, damn, I want to spoil it
• 1:42:51
  but I don't want. To OK any other shows you want
• 1:42:54
  to discuss. Did you see Reflection of You No
• 1:42:59
  with Gohan Chung on Netflix? OK, so that's also talking about
• 1:43:06
  you're. Just getting more and more
• 1:43:08
  disappointed in me. That's OK.
• 1:43:11
  No, it's OK. It's OK.
• 1:43:14
  It's talking about consent and affair and power dynamics.
• 1:43:21
  So you have this lady. You seem to really like that
• 1:43:25
  like combo. You know what?
• 1:43:27
  Give me a trunk. Give me a love me.
• 1:43:30
  Give me a reflection of you. I I love that.
• 1:43:34
  Yeah, that's my jam. Because I think I have.
• 1:43:40
  I think it has a good balance of mahjong and intensity and
• 1:43:47
  emotions and sexiness. And I, I end up asking myself,
• 1:43:52
  morally, Carol, is this right? Should you be doing this?
• 1:43:57
  Uh huh. Right.
• 1:43:58
  And then I sit there. And argue with.
• 1:44:01
  Myself, as you said, I'm soft sometimes.
• 1:44:05
  I'm going to say I'm soft on. Do you know someone DM me and
• 1:44:10
  was like you should make that AT shirt Carol soft.
• 1:44:17
  Like a photo of Humbin and made in Korea.
• 1:44:19
  Yeah, soft. On Crime, Carol.
• 1:44:24
  Anyway there's this attraction and the issue is he shows up and
• 1:44:30
  he has a girlfriend. So during their affair he had a
• 1:44:35
  girlfriend so he ran off with this old lady too.
• 1:44:39
  And so the girlfriend remembers everything and has been
• 1:44:43
  manipulating the both of them throughout the whole story and
• 1:44:47
  threatening the woman. And he's like I'm not trusting
• 1:44:53
  my girlfriend. I feel like my girlfriend is up
• 1:44:55
  to something. Girl, you like those
• 1:44:57
  psychosexual thrillers. You like a psychosexual
• 1:45:01
  thriller, and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:45:03
  But you got it. You got to call it what it is,
• 1:45:07
  OK. It had us by the chokehold.
• 1:45:10
  Is that a romance? I don't know.
• 1:45:13
  It wasn't. It wasn't.
• 1:45:14
  Girl. OK, I'll stop.
• 1:45:17
  I know this is starting to veer into like convicting territory
• 1:45:23
  with us. So we're going to we're going to
• 1:45:26
  wrap it up. Thank you, Carol.
• 1:45:29
  We're talking about grown romances, romances that are have
• 1:45:34
  a lot of agency that are maybe a little sexy, that are not cookie
• 1:45:39
  cutter and have a lot of complexity to them.
• 1:45:43
  And we love a lot of them. There's so many that I haven't
• 1:45:46
  seen and I'm sure there's so many that people would love to
• 1:45:50
  see after getting all of these recommendations from us and
• 1:45:53
  chatting through various dramas, whether they were good or bad.
• 1:45:56
  So, Carol, where can people find you online?
• 1:46:00
  You can find me on Instagram as K Dramas Musings and I have a
• 1:46:05
  sub stack also called K Drama Musings so you can join me on
• 1:46:11
  there too. Thank you so much for having me,
• 1:46:13
  Jess. Thank you so much for joining me
• 1:46:15
  on this sojourn, this more adult romance journey.
• 1:46:22
  That's it. That's been our show.
• 1:46:25
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rebels podcast.