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An Introduction To UFOs & Aliens (Part 2) With Josh Leonard | The Christian Reeve Podcast #237 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reeve
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  Podcast. This is part two of our
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  introduction to UFOs and Aliens. I'm super stoked to be doing
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  this topic with Josh. Make sure you go check out his
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  Patreon exclusive show. This month we covered paranormal
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  experiences all part of the spooky season.
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  Now, without further ado, please enjoy the rest of the show.
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  Moving it forward. Area 51.
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  In the 1950s and 60s, multiple UFO sightings were reported
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  around Area 51 in Nevada, a site used vicariously by the CIAUS,
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  Air Force and Lockheed Martin. Don't know what those to test
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  flights of experimental aircraft or black aircraft.
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  Declassified documents show Area 51 was home to a Cold War
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  program called OXCART, dedicated to creating a spy plane that
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  would be undetectable in the air and could be used to gather
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  information behind the Iron Curtain.
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  The resulting SR71, Blackbird, F117, Nighthawk and Archangel
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  12A12 travelled at speeds upwards of 2000 miles an hour.
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  These mysterious planes helped fuel rumors that Area 51 was
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  used to conduct experiments on extraterrestrial life and their
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  spacecraft. Now, a couple of things about
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  Area 51 is that obviously, I thought, I assume everyone knows
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  this, but let's just delve into this.
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  You can't get anywhere near Area 51 If you do, the government,
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  Sorry, not the government, the Air Force.
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  The military will shoot you down, like, you know, it's
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  trespassing. They will arrest you.
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  You know, there's people who tried to do just just drive even
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  closest to it and they get followed by cars all the time.
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  Even people just doing like very straightforward documentaries
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  where they're maybe they're not even filming anywhere near,
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  they're just trying to do like some desert shit and they get
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  like followed and it's really, really creepy.
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  And, you know, I mean, any place that it's not on Google Maps
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  that you can't find it and you know, you're actively told you
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  can't go anywhere towards and you're actively told that, you
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  know, there's nothing to worry about here.
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  It's just classified government stuff.
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  You know, like nothing to tell you.
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  Like obviously that's gonna promote people to think that
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  maybe there's something going on.
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  They keep telling us nothing's going on.
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  Maybe something's going on, but bringing it to our conversation,
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  what do you think the likelihood is that they've actually
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  conducted experiments on extraterrestrial life, although
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  this indeed is a hub for extraterrestrial activity in
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  some shape or form. I think it's very, very possible
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  that at one point in time they did the research there on
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  whatever they have in their possession, but it seems likely
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  to me that. Anything that as that is of very
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  high importance has been moved elsewhere because it is just
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  such common knowledge. Everyone associates aliens and
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  UF O's with Area 51, even to the point that the surrounding like
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  cities and towns there they have like.
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  They have hotels and stuff. I think there's something that's
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  called the little alien. Yeah, like, I mean, they're just
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  straight up advertising, you know, aliens and Ufo's around
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  the area. So to me it seems like they're
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  probably moved. There are these things called
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  Dumbs. Have you heard of them?
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  D Umbs or D UMB would be the the acronym.
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  Deep underground military base is what it stands for.
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  I love that dumb. And yeah, right.
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  It's awesome. I was.
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  I was. I was thinking that you put in
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  my leg, though. He's been serious.
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  Dumb. Dumb this.
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  Is kind of like if you ever seen Stranger Things.
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  There's this one scene, I think in the most recent season where
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  they're like in a desert and there's just a door in the
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  middle of the desert. And they open the door and it
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  leads to, you know, a staircase that goes downstairs,
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  underground in the desert somewhere.
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  Massive military base. So you don't really have.
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  This big giant building or apparatus where it's obvious
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  that there's a military base there.
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  There's just like a random door in the desert leading to an
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  underground base. Speaking of Stranger Things, I
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  heard somewhere that that show is a loosely based on a true
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  story as it. Wouldn't be surprised.
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  Like not. I mean, I know everyone's good
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  without what the fuck are you talking about, Christian again.
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  But this idea that there was a small town somewhere in the
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  States that had some sort of similar issue where the
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  government kind of quarantined the specific town and there was
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  a bunch of stuff that to this day they're not able to talk
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  about or whatever that happened in this town.
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  And everyone was sworn to secrecy or whatever.
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  And, you know, obviously the conspiracy theorists in me
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  looked at that and just thought, like, what?
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  Damn, like there's how often does this happen?
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  And we have like, no idea that this happens, you know?
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  Not to mention the potential of harnessing like the human
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  psychic ability as they have shown in that show.
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  I think a lot of people claim that there is some truth to that
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  as well. Yeah, no, Yeah, obviously.
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  Again, this could be another show, but that idea that I
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  suppose the idea of like different worlds and stuff,
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  different dimensions is, is is really interesting or like a
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  link to get to another part of the world in a different form in
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  a quicker fashion, I found quite interesting.
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  I think it's. The whole concept, the the
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  concept of like the Upside Down, you know, a world that's right
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  in front of your face at all times, but it's just you switch
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  the frequency of consciousness or something like that, and then
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  you're able to like access this other realm.
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  Very interesting, this idea of frequencies as well.
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  Fascinating. I mean, obviously in in Ghost in
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  the Ghostly World, there's this idea that there's specific
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  frequencies that if you tune into them, you can hear the dead
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  so as to speak or hear echoes of the dead, I don't know.
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  But again, that's a show for another time.
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  I found this amazing, right? So President Carter in his
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  presidential campaign, so he wasn't president at this time.
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  He said this. Oh, he was questioned on this
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  and he admitted to this freely. And he offered this information
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  up. And I found this ballsy because
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  back then to turn around and say that you'd seen a UFO as just a
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  member of the public would make you the the, you know, point of
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  scrutiny. But in a presidential campaign,
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  that's ballsy. And he became president
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  thereafter, he said. I'm convinced UFO's exist
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  because I have seen one. If I become president, I'll make
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  every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings
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  available to the public and the scientists.
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  The president saw his UFO at night in 1973 in Thomaston, I
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  believe that's Georgia after speaking to the Lions Club
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  there. I love this, like how language
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  changes. It was the darndest thing I'd
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  ever seen, he said. It was big, very big.
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  It changed colors and it was about the size of the moon.
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  We watched it for 10 minutes, but none of us could figure out
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  what it was. 1 thing's for sure. I'll never make fun of people
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  who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky
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  folk for Carter. No, I'm just kidding.
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  I love the accent. Very, very good accent.
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  American accent. I've been working at this side.
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  I've been working hard on accents, American ones.
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  I think I've hit like a new a new stride or a new a new phase
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  in my voice acting career. So we're slowly getting there.
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  I can see that in like your Instagram posts and stuff.
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  I see that your accents are getting really good.
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  Your voiceovers are getting awesome too.
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  Ah, thank you, man. I appreciate that, brother.
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  Let's move it forward. Other investigations of Ufo's.
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  Now with this show, there was different ways that I was going
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  to approach this, but I wanted to kind of go purely based on
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  facts and what I could find from an official capacity.
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  And yeah, I found a lot of interesting stuff like, again,
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  as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, tip of the iceberg.
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  So despite the failure of the ETH to make headway with the
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  expert committees, a few scientists and engineers, most
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  notably Jay Allen Hynek, an astronomer at Northwestern
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  University in Evanston who had been involved with projects Sign
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  Grudge and Blue Book, concluded that a small fraction of the
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  most reliable UFO reports gave definite indication sorry for
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  the presence of extraterrestrial visitors.
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  Hynek founded the Center for UFO Studies, or KUFOS, which
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  continues to investigate the phenomenon.
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  I went on this website and Oh my God, like guys, when you got 5
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  minutes, go on to www.kufos.org and you will find perhaps the
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  most extensive covering of like UFO history, phenomena,
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  sightings, like everything you could ever possibly need.
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  And like a lot of the old classic data as well is like
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  legit, just like old news clippings from that time.
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  So you got like clippings from the 30s forties with all the
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  information there, scientific studies, the latest information
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  like it's it's really worth checking out and it's like one
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  of probably thousands of different organizations around
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  the world doing this. So really, really incredible
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  stuff. Aside from Project Blue Book,
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  the only other official and fairly complete rounds of UFO
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  sightings were kept in Canada, where they were transferred in
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  1968 from the Canadian Department of National Defense
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  to the Canadian National Research Council.
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  The Canadian records comprised about 750 sightings.
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  Less complete records have been maintained in the United
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  Kingdom, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, and Greece, and I
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  will be covering a lot of those sightings from a particular
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  nation in the next show. In the United States, Kufas and
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  the Mutual UFO Network in Bellevue, Colombia, continue to
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  log sightings reported by the public.
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  In the Soviet Union, sightings of UFOs were often prompted by
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  tests of secret military rockets.
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  In order to obscure the true nature of the tests, the
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  government sometimes encourages encourage the public's belief
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  that the Rockets might be extraterrestrial craft
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  eventually decided that descriptions themselves might
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  give away too much information. UFO sightings in China have
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  similarly been provoked by military activity that is
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  unknown to the public. So this I touched on this
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  earlier, but this idea of like admitting that it's real when it
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  suits them and dismissing it when it suits them.
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  Very common theme with the government.
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  Imagine that they just lie when they need to lie, tell the truth
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  and they need to tell the truth anyway.
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  So I I, I I always with my notes, I always kind of
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  structure it into like sections. I try to feel like very
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  organized with this stuff, so this section is possible.
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  Explanations for UFO sightings and alien abductions, so UFO
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  reports have varied widely in reliability as judged by the
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  number of witnesses, whether the witnesses were independent of
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  each other, the observing conditions.
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  This is quite interesting, like the fog haze type of
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  illumination. So obviously you could dismiss a
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  lot of stuff based on that and also the direction of the
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  sighting. Typically, witnesses who take
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  the trouble to report a sighting consider the object to be of
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  extraterrestrial origin or possibly a military craft, but
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  certainly under intelligent control.
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  This inference is usually based on what it is perceived as
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  formation flying by sets of objects, unnatural, often sudden
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  motions, the lack of sound, changes in brightness or color
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  and strange shapes. Now, Josh mentioned all of this
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  earlier. Again, we'll explore this in
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  great detail in in the next show that we do together.
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  One thing though, that I want to kind of comment on here, I think
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  one of the biggest reasons maybe why we've not seen as many
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  sightings or maybe they're not taking this seriously anymore
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  and you mentioned earlier is this idea that drones exist now.
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  Things can so easily be just always a drone, always a bigger
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  drone. That's and and the general
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  public can own them now as well. So I think, I think you know any
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  legitimate sightings might unfortunately be dismissed these
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  days. But move it on.
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  The unaided eye plays tricks. That's also a well known.
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  I imagine being gaslit as well. I was being told like, Oh no,
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  your eyes deceive you. And it's like I know what I saw.
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  Like you're telling me, my eyes are lying to me.
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  Who knows? A bright light such as the
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  planet Venus often appears to move.
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  Astronomical objects can also be disconcerting to drivers as they
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  seem to follow the car. I think we could probably
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  actually dismiss this and say that, you know, if you're
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  getting tired and you're driving and you're seeing a lot of
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  lights, there's you might be seeing things, or maybe you're
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  not, I don't know. But that's that could be what
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  that is. Visual impressions of distance
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  and speed of UFO's are also highly unreliable because they
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  are based on an assumed size and often made against a blank sky
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  with no background object, e.g., clouds mounting, etcetera to set
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  a maximum distance. Reflections from windows and
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  eyeglasses produce super imposed views.
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  I'm just thinking of like Jurassic Park.
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  Now complex optical systems such as camera lenses can turn point
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  of point sources of light into apparently sources shaped
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  phenomena. I will agree there's some some
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  truth in this as well that like sometimes something can appear
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  to be something else based on the lighting and stuff like I've
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  seen that in action. I'm sure you have as well, Josh.
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  It's. Yeah, Sometimes truly what we
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  see is not true because it's like looks different in a
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  certain angle and such such optical illusions and the
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  psychological desire to interpret images are known to
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  account for many visual UFO reports, and at least some
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  sightings are known to be hoaxes.
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  This also ties into what I was saying earlier about this idea
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  that, you know, you can be so desperate to prove that
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  something is something that you were trying to see something
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  that simply isn't there. And I feel for these people
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  because maybe they truly did see something one time, but now that
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  they've only seen it one time, they're trying to look for it
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  everywhere. And we know as human beings, I
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  read this the other day, completely unrelated to what
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  we're talking about. But this idea, there's a
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  specific phenomenon where we see faces and everything.
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  There's like a I can't import the term is is it's like a a
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  concept, the thing that exists and and it's true, we do see
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  faces in things. Well, we try to see them in
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  things. And sometimes it's intentional,
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  other times it's just our brains trying to see recognizable
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  patterns, I suppose. Things that you know we can rely
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  on. Things that make sense to us in
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  some shape or form. Reflections from windows.
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  I thought I've already covered this.
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  Sorry, we'll move on such optical illusions in this.
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  I've already covered that. I'm just.
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  I'm just like this is this is embarrassing.
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  After 3 1/2 years of this radar sightings while inserting
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  respects are more reliable, failed to discriminate between
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  artificial objects and meteor trails, ionize gas, rain or
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  thermal discontinuities in the atmosphere.
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  So I think this is kind of maybe exploring the idea that you're
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  when you do see phenomena in the sky like for instance or orally.
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  I can't even say Aurora Borealis, Aurora Borealis or
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  Northern Nights Northern Lights. You could argue that.
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  I'm sure when people first saw that, they thought it was
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  something out of this world. And actually it's just a common
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  phenomena. Contact events such as
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  abductions are often associated with UFOs because they are
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  ascribed to extraterrestrial visitors.
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  However, the credibility of the ETH as an explanation for
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  abductions is disputed by most psychologists who have
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  investigated this phenomenon. They suggest that a common
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  experience known as sleep paralysis may be the culprit, as
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  this causes sleepers to experience a temporary mobility
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  and a belief that they're being watched.
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  Now I have sleep paralysis. I did a podcast on it one time
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  because I have dealt with this all my life.
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  This particular comment pisses me off because it's basically
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  the government and the scientists going no, no, no, no,
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  no, no. What you saw, it's just sleep
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  paralysis. It's nothing.
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  Now, we do have these ideas of the night hag.
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  I've actually experienced that one time.
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  I'm of the opinion though. Normally I'd be like well into
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  the idea of the paranormal and stuff, but in this specific
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  instance, I think it was just me not being comfortable where I
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  was sleeping. You know, you, you, you have
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  vivid dreams, for example, when you've been drinking or, you
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  know, I had a lot of sleep. You know, your mind kind of kind
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  of my language fucks with you a little bit.
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  And that's the only incidence of a paranormal event in the
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  context of sleep paralysis I've ever experienced.
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  Every other time is the same old thing.
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  I think I spoke with you about this Joshua Willis once, but
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  basically just watching myself trying to wake up and I don't
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  know if it's an outbody experience or if it's like me
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  half awake, not really know what's going on.
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  But I'm normally sort of somewhat consciously aware.
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  But basically what I've read into with regards to the UF O's
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  and aliens is they try to dismiss a lot of alien abduction
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  stories as being just sleep paralysis stories and people
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  trying to find make it well basically people making up
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  bullshit making up shit. You know though, we also ignore
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  the potential for us to interact with and see things in a way
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  that isn't just face to face me physical and something else
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  physical, you know? And again, I bring it up all the
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  time because it's one of my most.
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  Sought after experiences that has led me to these types of
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  beliefs, but psychedelics, if you take a psychedelic you will
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  experience something that is more real than real and it's not
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  physical right in front of you. It these types of experiences
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  allow you to sort of accept the fact that there are experiences
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  that exist only within the mind and.
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  Actually, interestingly, there was a declassified U.S.
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  government document that has said one of the more intriguing
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  aspects of the UFO UAP that they see is that they have, quote,
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  the ability to alter human consciousness.
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  So that fact right there tells me or that observation tells me
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  that there is a potential here for.
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  An experience to be controlled by whatever this nonhuman
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  intelligence is. Maybe it has a deeper
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  understanding of what it means to be conscious, what it means
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  to have a mind. And as you know, you sort of
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  laid out in in what you were saying about, you know, seeing
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  glares and stuff like that, like the human senses are not that
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  accurate. You talked to Jay Nelson about
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  consciousness, and I'm sure he brought this up to you, that the
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  the way that we interact with things in our world, the way
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  that we sort of create consciousness, it's not very
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  active. It's not very accurate.
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  The way we see, we the way we hear all of our senses, they're
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  more creating. It's more of a cocreation than
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  it is a direct representation of what reality is.
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  So who knows how that could potentially be altered.
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  You just take a drug and you're in a different reality.
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  So imagine if something has the ability to interface with your
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  consciousness and change it in some way.
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  I mean, the possibilities are endless.
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  Maybe the abductions do happen within the mind.
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  Maybe you're consciously having the experience as opposed to
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  your body actually being taken away.
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  And that's interesting as well, because firstly, that's not
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  really something I'd considered in this particular conversation
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  is this idea that they could. Almost like mind meld review,
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  like access your consciousness as you say, remotely from far
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  away. But it also kind of directly
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  combats with classic alien abduction stories where the
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  person is physically abducted. But then that begs other
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  questions, like maybe some aliens are capable of doing that
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  and others aren't. Or maybe over time they learn
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  how to do that. Or maybe it's a different?
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  Type and maybe they they can do more if it's physical versus
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  remote, you know that there's so many questions.
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  I love it. Shows like this are great
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  because like you come into it thinking like maybe we can make
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  some leeway and of course you're not going to make any leeway,
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  you're just going to end up with more questions.
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  But I don't know. I'll never stop.
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  You can't stop me. I love it.
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  I found this randomly and I wonder what you think of this.
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  Italian dictator Mussolini allegedly covered up a UFO crash
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  in the 1930s. Italian ufologist Roberto
• 22:44
  Pinotti claims to have proof that supports the allegations
• 22:48
  that a UFO crashed in Italy in 1933.
• 22:52
  So to put that historically into context, that's always like 6
• 22:57
  years before the start of the World War.
• 22:59
  I believe Hitler would have been chancellor at this point, or at
• 23:02
  least in government in a major way.
• 23:06
  We were put like this the the events that would lead us to
• 23:08
  World War Two were very much in motion at this point and and I
• 23:13
  suppose politically speaking we were very much headed towards
• 23:16
  that. And allegedly, yeah, it was
• 23:20
  covered up by Italian dictator Mussolini and the government at
• 23:23
  the time. Now this particular ufologist
• 23:26
  has stated that he has documents confirming the cover up, as well
• 23:29
  as having had several people come forward to him and announce
• 23:33
  their involvement in the program.
• 23:35
  Moreover, the cover up reportedly involved Mussolini
• 23:38
  transporting the UFO to the US. Now, two things here that I
• 23:42
  found interesting. One, it it sort of connects with
• 23:46
  what you were talking about earlier about this idea of
• 23:49
  several people being involved in a project and coming forward in
• 23:53
  some way or confirming an existing story to give it more
• 23:58
  legitimacy. And also just this final bit
• 24:01
  like. They would have had a very
• 24:05
  tumultuous relationship at this point.
• 24:08
  You know, they wouldn't have been on good terms, the States
• 24:11
  and Italy. So why on earth would they
• 24:15
  consider transporting the UFI mean, I suppose maybe if it was
• 24:19
  known that at that time the US had some sort of intelligence
• 24:25
  over that or or some noteworthy systems for research on that.
• 24:30
  But then here's the thing. In our timeline that we've
• 24:34
  broken down here, the US only really became started to become
• 24:38
  an authority on this in the thought is onwards.
• 24:41
  But as we've outlined in this conversation, UF O's have been
• 24:44
  seen or allegedly seen for thousands of years.
• 24:50
  So how long have we really been investigating UF O's?
• 24:55
  Maybe we've always been investigating UF O's in some
• 24:58
  shape or form. Maybe it was called something
• 24:59
  else prior to that. Yeah.
• 25:02
  And again, if we're looking at levels of government, you know,
• 25:06
  if you just look at the Ukraine war right now, you know, there's
• 25:11
  the presented facts that the governments of each of these
• 25:15
  sides want you to know. And then there are the deeper
• 25:18
  levels of government where, you know, US is fighting a proxy war
• 25:22
  versus Russia trying to destabilize the military.
• 25:25
  Like there are so many deeper, deeper levels.
• 25:28
  And it seems to me that at the deepest level of government
• 25:32
  involving the UFO's, UAP's. This is like how we were saying
• 25:36
  earlier, like the the black government that that part of it,
• 25:39
  I think that part has probably existed for a while.
• 25:45
  Probably if Mussolini did transport those UFO's or
• 25:50
  whatever it was to the United States.
• 25:52
  It seems to me that the US probably had a a a firm grasp on
• 25:57
  this even back then. And every time you hear of, you
• 26:03
  know, a a crash or a sighting or any of that stuff, the US is
• 26:09
  always the first ones on the scene.
• 26:12
  In Brazil, there was a crash that as that's been gaining a
• 26:17
  lot of popularity recently and I think the place it was called
• 26:20
  Varginia is in Brazil. the US government was on that right
• 26:27
  away, in an instant. They're always right on every
• 26:30
  single crash, every single encounter.
• 26:33
  There was another encounter that was supposedly a crash in
• 26:37
  Africa. There was a school of a bunch of
• 26:40
  kids that saw quote UN quote aliens come out of the craft and
• 26:46
  they actually had telepathic communication with them.
• 26:48
  There's a really interesting documentary on this is actually
• 26:51
  a few documentaries on this case.
• 26:53
  And again, right away the the US government is always the first
• 26:56
  one there. I feel like the US government
• 26:59
  has there's there are agreements between countries involving the
• 27:04
  Ufo's, but I think the United States is at the head of that.
• 27:09
  Whenever you talk about that as well, I can't help but.
• 27:14
  It's like the classic US or the bad guys in the movies kind of
• 27:17
  concept like specifically because I've noticed this as
• 27:20
  well in any kind of UFO scifi related film, the government,
• 27:26
  the US government specifically is always the bad guys that
• 27:28
  we're trying to cover, shut up, trying to lie to the people
• 27:32
  etcetera, right. And obviously we know the reason
• 27:34
  why that is, but just looking at it in general, I mean.
• 27:41
  Assuming that they are the authority on things, they would
• 27:43
  want to kind of keep that under wraps as much as possible and
• 27:48
  control the narrative. But it must be so difficult
• 27:51
  trying to control that around the world, everywhere.
• 27:55
  And of course having agreements with those countries is a big
• 27:59
  part of that. But then now everyone has, like,
• 28:02
  you know, cell phones, everyone has the ability to record stuff
• 28:05
  and then it becomes about trying to control the information.
• 28:09
  Online. But once it's online, it's it's
• 28:11
  there forever, you know, very difficult to scrub the Internet.
• 28:15
  It's getting harder for them, yeah, for sure.
• 28:17
  But also, and this is to bring up a point that you said earlier
• 28:21
  that if they came out and told us that aliens exist now, people
• 28:25
  would freak out. But they.
• 28:27
  Kind of did, though. They kind of did.
• 28:29
  I'm not so sure. Because yeah, they did.
• 28:31
  They did tell us essentially, like they had these
• 28:34
  congressional hearings that said, you know, the dude said,
• 28:36
  like this is real, this is here, our government is involved in
• 28:39
  this, and like, nobody gave a shit.
• 28:42
  That's why I don't understand. They basically passed to their
• 28:44
  phones and. That that's what blew my mind as
• 28:47
  well, just because I covered this earlier.
• 28:49
  But if I remember correctly, the quote that they said OK cuz I
• 28:53
  said that they pretty much said like, oh aliens exist.
• 28:55
  They didn't say in so many words what they said was.
• 28:59
  These things that we've found are not human.
• 29:02
  That's pretty much exactly what they said and the Internet ran
• 29:05
  with Oh my God, aliens are real. What the fuck?
• 29:07
  Like, what is this year? But as you said, most people
• 29:11
  just kind of didn't really give a shit, like, which blows my
• 29:14
  mind, because it's like, that's the biggest revelation that
• 29:18
  could possibly ever be. Really.
• 29:20
  Other than I don't know God. Declaring existence and being
• 29:25
  like I am alive. Here I am, I am God.
• 29:27
  Like that's the only other thing I could really equate to being
• 29:30
  equal in like Oh my God mind fuck, you know?
• 29:34
  But even that like it someone could come out and say they got
• 29:36
  and we would still be like, I don't know, you know, I feel
• 29:39
  like it's the same with aliens. It's like an alien could come
• 29:42
  down tomorrow and we'd be like, oh I don't know, fake news.
• 29:45
  Maybe it's doctored, Maybe it's this.
• 29:47
  Maybe it's that. Like I saw something the other
• 29:49
  day and I I don't know if it was a joke or not, but there was
• 29:51
  something in like Mexico where it was like 2 guys at some sort
• 29:55
  of weird press conference and they had what looked like aliens
• 29:58
  in the back and they looked like ET aliens and everyone on the
• 30:04
  Internet was just joking that they look like ET.
• 30:06
  And then what the fuck is this is this is like the worst
• 30:10
  attempt at trying to convince us that this is real ever.
• 30:13
  And I don't know because again, they were talking to Mexican.
• 30:15
  I don't know what they were saying, but.
• 30:17
  Did you hear about that story? Did you see that story?
• 30:19
  I did, yes. And I saw some conflicting
• 30:22
  analysis of it. One of the more interesting
• 30:25
  things that I saw was so they were there.
• 30:27
  Whatever they are, they're real mummified bodies.
• 30:31
  Now I I saw that when they looked at the bones, like the
• 30:37
  structure of the bones, they were finding bones of different
• 30:41
  types of animals, just sort of like mashed in there and then
• 30:45
  mummified. But they did actually find these
• 30:49
  mummified things. So it almost seems to me that,
• 30:51
  like, it's pretty possible that some ancient people were messing
• 30:55
  around with other animals and trying to recreate something and
• 30:58
  like, mummified. Like a build-a-bear of fucking,
• 31:02
  yeah. But like animals.
• 31:04
  Exactly. Yeah something like that.
• 31:07
  But the it's it's basically been saying that they're non human
• 31:11
  but if they're animals they're also non human so.
• 31:14
  Mad. Even even our ancestors were
• 31:17
  like a bit fucked up, really, like they were there, he says.
• 31:20
  He was all right. I mentioned before about alien
• 31:25
  abductions, so I've got a whole kind of section on this and this
• 31:29
  kind of came out that I was going to explore this anyway in
• 31:31
  the episode. But one of the questions I
• 31:33
  received from our wonderful Vilma, thank you so much for
• 31:35
  your enthusiasm for caring, for being in in just so invested in
• 31:39
  this. Thank you, Vilma.
• 31:40
  Hi, Vilma. She said.
• 31:44
  One of the questions she asked was what was the scientific
• 31:46
  community's perspective on UFO's?
• 31:50
  Now, we've kind of explored a lot about the sort of things
• 31:53
  they say and how they dismiss a lot of things, but when it comes
• 31:56
  to alien abductions, they pretty much completely just dismiss it
• 32:00
  all as sleep paralysis. And this comes from a lot of
• 32:03
  different studies that I read. So I'll read out some of these
• 32:05
  and and I've found some interesting information through
• 32:09
  a lot of this as well that we'll all sort of go into as it comes
• 32:12
  up. In response to a new
• 32:16
  psychological study of persons. This comes from David V Forrest
• 32:19
  in 2008. So it was studies being
• 32:23
  conducted by then, a study of persons who believe they've been
• 32:26
  abducted by space aliens that found that sleep paralysis, a
• 32:30
  history of being hypnotized, and preoccupation with paranormal
• 32:33
  and extraterrestrial were predisposing experiences.
• 32:38
  I noted this is him talking that many of the frequently reported
• 32:41
  particulars of the abduction experience.
• 32:44
  They're more than a passing resemblance to medical surgical
• 32:47
  procedures and proposed that experience with these may also
• 32:51
  be contributory. Contributory.
• 32:54
  I can't, I can't speak. This is the altered state of
• 32:57
  consciousness, uniformly colored figures with prominent eyes in a
• 33:01
  high tech room with a round bright source of like object.
• 33:06
  There is nakedness, pain and a loss of control while the body's
• 33:10
  boundaries are being probed. And yet the figures are thought
• 33:13
  benevolent. I don't know how that okay no
• 33:17
  medical surgical history was apparently taken in the above
• 33:20
  mentioned study, but psychological laboratory work
• 33:23
  evaluated false memory formation.
• 33:27
  If physicians are causing this syndrome in a percentage of
• 33:30
  patients, we should know about it, and persons who feel they
• 33:34
  have been abducted should be informed.
• 33:36
  Should be encouraged to inform their surgeons and and
• 33:39
  ethologists without challenging their beliefs.
• 33:42
  So what's that saying that like okay these people were working
• 33:44
  on these people and then they were I guess tripping out and
• 33:49
  now we've got a kind of you know, challenge these people
• 33:53
  would be like no, no, no, no, no.
• 33:54
  Like all these things you're experiencing, like it's
• 33:57
  nonsense. Like it means that you, you just
• 34:01
  are respecting, responding badly to to the surgery.
• 34:04
  That's that's the problem. Well, this is like a neardeath
• 34:08
  experience too. Like, who's to say that an
• 34:11
  altered state of consciousness is not, quote UN quote real?
• 34:13
  Because what we experience right now is a hallucination.
• 34:18
  You know, the our realities are just an amalgamation of brain
• 34:22
  chemistry and senses that cocreate the reality that we
• 34:25
  perceive. So who's to say that an altered
• 34:29
  state of consciousness is more or less accurate than what we're
• 34:32
  actually seeing? So I think we have to contend
• 34:35
  with the paradox of what it means to be in an altered state.
• 34:39
  Previous experience. Sorry.
• 34:41
  Previous research has shown that people reporting contact with
• 34:44
  aliens, known as experiences great, appear to have a
• 34:50
  different psychological profile compared to control
• 34:53
  participants. They show higher levels of
• 34:56
  disassociative disassociativity absorption.
• 35:03
  Paranormal belief and experience and possibly fantasy proneness.
• 35:09
  Prone to fantasy. Prone to Lord of the Rings
• 35:12
  marathons. Now they also appear to show
• 35:14
  greater susceptibility to false memories.
• 35:17
  Experiences were found to show higher levels of what if I
• 35:21
  copied the same thing twice? Wow, I'm such an idiot.
• 35:24
  OK, I don't know why I've done that.
• 35:27
  I'll go back in my notes. I'm like, wow, I must have
• 35:30
  written these particular ones at 2:00 AM.
• 35:32
  Mark H says he was abducted by aliens.
• 35:35
  He clearly remembers awakening one night, unable to move
• 35:39
  anything but his eyes. He saw flashing lights, heard
• 35:43
  buzzing sounds, experienced feelings of levitation, and felt
• 35:47
  electric tingling sensations. Most terrifying were the
• 35:52
  nonhuman figures he saw by his bed.
• 35:55
  Mark believes they were aliens. Later he underwent hypnosis to
• 36:01
  try to recall exactly what had happened to him.
• 36:03
  Under hypnosis, Mark remembered being whisked through an open
• 36:07
  window to a large spaceship. He was very frightened when
• 36:11
  aliens took him into some some kind of medical examining room.
• 36:15
  There he had sex with one of them.
• 36:18
  Afterwards, the aliens brought him back to Earth and returned
• 36:22
  into his bed. Mark describes the experience as
• 36:25
  terrifying. Did it really happen?
• 36:28
  Sorry. The way they the way they put
• 36:30
  that I've got this from I believe, Yeah.
• 36:33
  From a news article from Harvard.
• 36:35
  I just love that. Did it really happen?
• 36:38
  Was Mark just really trashed on the night out?
• 36:40
  No. Some researchers Harvard
• 36:43
  University devised an experiment to determine if memories of
• 36:47
  abduction. By space, aliens would provoke
• 36:50
  the same physiological reactions that occur when other people,
• 36:54
  such as combat veterans and those who survived deadly car
• 36:58
  accidents, recall their traumatic experiences.
• 37:01
  Richard McNally, a professor of psychology, and his colleagues
• 37:05
  recruited six women and four men who claimed they've been
• 37:09
  spirited away by extraterrestrials, some of them
• 37:13
  more than once. Under hypnosis, seven of the ten
• 37:17
  reported having had their sperm or eggs extracted for breeding
• 37:21
  purposes or experiencing direct sexual contact with the space
• 37:25
  aliens. Each of these people were
• 37:27
  interviewed by Eva McNally or Susan Clancy, also a professor
• 37:31
  of psychology. Each also wrote a script that
• 37:35
  told the story of his or her abduction.
• 37:38
  The research team then made audio tapes spoken in a neutral
• 37:41
  voice from the scripts. The abductees listen to these
• 37:45
  tapes in the laboratory of Scott Orr at the Veterans Affairs
• 37:50
  Medical Center in Manchester. I'm going to guess this is New
• 37:54
  Haven. As the tapes played, the
• 37:58
  researchers record their emotional responses using such
• 38:01
  measures as heart rate and sweat on the palms of their hands.
• 38:06
  Is it possible it could just be like sex dreams?
• 38:09
  I don't know. The same same procedure was done
• 38:13
  with eight people wanted by traumatic experiences unrelated
• 38:17
  to abduction by aliens. When the two sets of measures
• 38:21
  were compared, the results were striking.
• 38:25
  Abductees showed surprisingly strong physiological reactions
• 38:29
  to the tapes of their alien encounters.
• 38:32
  Their reactions were as great or greater than those of the
• 38:34
  individuals who cannot shake memories of combat, sexual abuse
• 38:38
  and other punishing events. McNally announced these findings
• 38:42
  on February 16th and a meeting of the American Association for
• 38:46
  the Advancement of Science in Denver.
• 38:49
  The results under score the power of emotional belief, he
• 38:53
  noted. People who sincerely believe
• 38:55
  they have been abducted by aliens.
• 38:57
  Show patterns of emotional and physiological response to these
• 39:01
  memories that are strikingly similar to those who have been
• 39:04
  genuinely traumatized by combat or similar events.
• 39:07
  Neither McNally nor the other Harvard researchers ever
• 39:10
  considered the possibility that people in the study or anybody
• 39:14
  else was ever abducted by space aliens.
• 39:17
  But if not, what produced their lasting, vivid memories?
• 39:22
  The researchers tie such abduction stories to a
• 39:24
  phenomenon they call dreaming with your eyes open.
• 39:28
  The episodes occur just as people awaken from a dream.
• 39:32
  Dreams include full body paralysis, a nice adaptation
• 39:35
  that prevents people from jumping out of bed to escape
• 39:37
  their demons, or otherwise making moves in a dream that
• 39:41
  could injure them in reality. Sleeper awakens from a dream
• 39:44
  before the paralysis goes away and experiences hallucinations
• 39:48
  like seeing flashing lights and some kinds of living things
• 39:51
  lurking around in the bed. I can't read anymore.
• 39:54
  I mean, it's just is this. The only other thing they
• 39:58
  mentioned here is with the hallucinations upon wakening
• 40:02
  from a dream might be interpreted as a visit from a
• 40:04
  ghost or Satan. In Newfoundland, people have
• 40:07
  encounters with the old hag, a witch who gets on your bed with
• 40:10
  you. Hundreds of years ago in Europe,
• 40:13
  people feared the incubus, an evil spirit that lies on people
• 40:18
  when they sleep, or the succubus, a demon who assumes a
• 40:22
  female form and has sex with men in their sleep.
• 40:24
  A lot of this just, it just seems like really horny people
• 40:28
  just coming up with instances of like, yeah man, I got abducted
• 40:33
  by the sexy aliens, you know, I don't know.
• 40:38
  What do you make of all that man, before we go on?
• 40:40
  It's tough, you know, it's really hard to study something
• 40:44
  like an abduction from the lens of the scientific method.
• 40:49
  You know, when you ask the question of like, what does
• 40:51
  science say about these types of things, I mean, there are a few
• 40:55
  different groups of scientists. Like if you look at the
• 40:57
  mainstream scientists like the Neil degrasse Tysons of the
• 41:00
  world, they look at this stuff as if it's just fantasy.
• 41:03
  There's no reason to look into it.
• 41:05
  It's, you know, it's bullshit. Whatever.
• 41:08
  But there are a lot of really good scientists who are trying
• 41:11
  to collect real data on this stuff.
• 41:16
  Avi Loeb is one of them. A VILOEBI believe is how you
• 41:20
  spell his name. He's a Harvard professor.
• 41:23
  And I mean, he's doing some really great research on
• 41:26
  actually trying to find materials and.
• 41:32
  And like analyze things that have been found to see where the
• 41:36
  metals originated, if they're from Earth or if they're not.
• 41:39
  And he's found some really interesting things.
• 41:41
  There are Gary Nolan is is another guy who is a very
• 41:46
  renowned scientist who's looking into trying to find evidence
• 41:49
  based like factual things and you know, regarding UFO's.
• 41:54
  So it's really a mixed bag, but in terms of the the phenomenon
• 41:59
  of abduction, it's so hard. Because again, you know, I
• 42:03
  always go back to the consciousness aspect of it.
• 42:06
  Like are is your consciousness being projected or manipulated
• 42:10
  in a type of way where that's where the abduction is taking
• 42:12
  place? And if so, how are you supposed
• 42:15
  to prove that real or not, you know, because if you ask
• 42:18
  somebody if an experience is real, I mean was the fear real?
• 42:22
  Was the, you know, even dreams, dreams can be.
• 42:27
  Analyzed in the same type of way, if you have a lucid dream,
• 42:31
  it feels like reality until you wake up.
• 42:34
  So then what would it mean to wake up out of this reality?
• 42:38
  Can you wake up out of this reality into another one?
• 42:41
  Like can you be projected into a reality that's non human or
• 42:44
  something like who knows? So that's the approach I like to
• 42:48
  take when it comes to abductions.
• 42:49
  You know, I I never tell a person that their experience of
• 42:53
  something is not real. But it's also hard to say that
• 42:57
  it's tangibly real in terms of the scientific method.
• 43:02
  Yeah, so much I can really expand upon with that.
• 43:05
  And it really does come down to like how we study these things
• 43:10
  and the evidence that's put forward.
• 43:14
  And there just hasn't really been anything that's given us
• 43:18
  like a concrete answer on this just yet.
• 43:21
  But as you mentioned before and then this is something I want to
• 43:24
  expand upon. There are a lot of industries,
• 43:28
  sorry government related and non non government entities that are
• 43:32
  doing the work, doing the good work, trying to trying to
• 43:34
  explore this because going back to what you said before, people
• 43:38
  who dismiss it and like oh there's just no point studying
• 43:40
  that blows my mind that a scientist could ever say
• 43:43
  something like that. You know what I'm saying?
• 43:45
  Like, oh, there's no point studying what I agree it's good
• 43:50
  to dismiss non factual information, information that's
• 43:54
  just based on like beliefs and and doesn't hold any water,
• 43:57
  doesn't have any facts based on it, like, fair enough.
• 43:59
  But to not study things at all, that just blows my mind.
• 44:03
  Like, I don't know, just seems very nonscientific,
• 44:08
  nonscientific thing to say, I don't know.
• 44:10
  But whatever. We mentioned earlier that
• 44:13
  there's been like a sort of like a rebranding of UFO's to
• 44:18
  unidentified aerial phenomenon. Now I found that there's an
• 44:21
  annual report that's conducted by the government under the
• 44:24
  Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
• 44:27
  This department is known as the Odney.
• 44:29
  This department recently coordinated with the all domain
• 44:32
  Anomaly Resolution Office or AERO, which is what you
• 44:36
  mentioned earlier, which the Department of Defense formed
• 44:39
  last year. So this report was made in 2022,
• 44:42
  so it would have been 2021 within the department,
• 44:47
  Department of Defense. And they basically formed last
• 44:50
  year to synchronize all of its various efforts to study past
• 44:53
  and present reports of anomalous unidentified Space Airborne
• 44:58
  submerged and Transmedian objects.
• 45:00
  Which does that include, like, boats?
• 45:03
  Yeah, under the sea well. There's a particular instance
• 45:08
  that this brings to mind one of the people who testified at.
• 45:12
  That hearing I was talking about earlier, his name is Commander
• 45:14
  David Fraver, and he claimed that he saw this famously, now
• 45:19
  known as the Tic Tac object. And he said he saw this thing go
• 45:24
  under the under the ocean like it went into the ocean.
• 45:28
  So there's very, it's very possible.
• 45:30
  I mean, think about it. We don't know shit about our
• 45:33
  oceans. It's very possible that these
• 45:35
  things reside in the ocean or something.
• 45:37
  Or there's a I've heard another interesting hypothesis that
• 45:39
  there's like a, an A nonhuman drone manufacturing apparatus
• 45:44
  under the ocean that spits out like, like nonhuman drones to,
• 45:50
  you know, do whatever they have to do in terms of, like,
• 45:53
  studying us. It.
• 45:54
  It would also explain as well why it's almost impossible to
• 45:58
  track these aircraft. Let's suppose for a minute that,
• 46:01
  like their base was under the ocean.
• 46:03
  Man, this is real fucking conspiracy 101 right here.
• 46:06
  But fuck it, we're going to go all the way.
• 46:08
  Imagine that was the case. So you're in the air, you're
• 46:11
  flying around, you've been seen, you've been spotted, you're
• 46:14
  being tracked, obviously at all times by the airspace.
• 46:17
  Now if you go into the ocean, you'll be tracked to a degree,
• 46:20
  but then you'll lose contact after a while because obviously
• 46:25
  we can't go past a certain level.
• 46:27
  Like our technology doesn't work.
• 46:28
  Obviously humans can't go past that point, but maybe their
• 46:31
  technology can. Maybe that's how they're always
• 46:34
  able to escape humans, because they have these bases underneath
• 46:39
  the ocean. They have this infrastructure
• 46:41
  there. Maybe.
• 46:41
  Maybe they've always been there. Maybe.
• 46:43
  And that would also lend itself to kind of explain why they've
• 46:47
  been able to track us even thousands of years ago.
• 46:50
  And we would have just been like, what are these creatures
• 46:53
  in the sea? What are these different things?
• 46:57
  It kind of connects a lot of different conspiracy theories,
• 46:59
  which is, and it's a fascinating thing.
• 47:01
  I've never really considered that, man, that blows my fucking
• 47:03
  mind. Let's move it forward.
• 47:07
  Last year, NASA, so that's that's like the authority on
• 47:12
  everything when it comes to like space travel and stuff like
• 47:14
  that's huge. Created a 16 member blue ribbon
• 47:18
  UAP study team which seeks to improve the scientific
• 47:21
  understanding of UAP's by scouring the space agency's vast
• 47:26
  archives and assets, as well as civilian and commercial data
• 47:30
  sources. I thought this was really
• 47:31
  interesting. They're taking everything into
• 47:33
  account for relevant sightings. The team's 9 month unidentified
• 47:37
  Anomalous phenomena, independent study, or mouthful, is well
• 47:41
  underway. It aims to generate a road map
• 47:43
  of recommendations for potential further NASA UAP studies to
• 47:48
  follow, as well as a subsequent public report that will detail
• 47:51
  its findings. Now this UAP reporting is
• 47:54
  increasing, enabling a greater awareness of this airspace and
• 47:57
  increased opportunity to resolve UAP events.
• 48:01
  In addition to the 144 UAP reports covered during the 17
• 48:05
  years of UAP reporting included in the Office of the Director of
• 48:09
  National Intelligence Preliminary Assessment, there
• 48:12
  have been 247 new reports and another 119 that were either
• 48:18
  since discovered or reported after the preliminary assessment
• 48:21
  times period. This totals and this is what I
• 48:24
  wanted to get to 510, UAP reports as of 30th of August
• 48:29
  2022. Now this is interesting to work
• 48:32
  because it sounds like a lot, but it's actually a very small
• 48:34
  number in comparison with like all of the possible signs we
• 48:38
  had. I've mentioned earlier the
• 48:39
  80,000 number which in my notes that I have here.
• 48:44
  According to Newfork NUFORC, which is like a major agency in
• 48:51
  the United States, UFO sightings, there's been like UF
• 48:56
  80,000 records records of UFO sightings between the year 1910
• 49:04
  and 2014 in the USA. Now that's a decade out of date,
• 49:09
  but that's huge. Like when you think of it like
• 49:12
  they've been tracking it that long officially, and there's
• 49:14
  been that many sightings. UFP events continue to occur in
• 49:19
  restricted or sensitive airspace, highlighting possible
• 49:22
  concerns for safety of flight or adversary collection activity.
• 49:27
  And I mean, I've written this note here, but I think we've
• 49:31
  already kind of acknowledged this, but I'll just ask anyway.
• 49:34
  Why do they more commonly occur in these particular airspaces
• 49:36
  and not everywhere else? Well, I think you kind of
• 49:39
  answered it earlier when you said that like they have a
• 49:41
  fascination with guns, but do you think there might be any
• 49:43
  other reasons besides weapons that they might be interested
• 49:46
  in? It's possible.
• 49:48
  I mean, I know I like to think of it as even.
• 49:53
  OK, so. I'm going to go a little, a
• 49:57
  little weird here. So say they're extra
• 49:58
  dimensional. OK, say same as like a human,
• 50:03
  you know, we cast a shadow onto the ground, you know, so say
• 50:09
  they're they're trying to to be seen by us, they they might
• 50:14
  actually be reaching out to us and they're trying to cast their
• 50:20
  shadow into the third dimension, so to speak.
• 50:23
  It might not be easy for them to communicate with us, like say if
• 50:28
  you or I wanted to make ourselves known to what's bring
• 50:31
  up ants again. If I wanted to make myself known
• 50:33
  to an Ant colony, I couldn't speak to that Ant quality, that
• 50:38
  that Ant colony and say, hey, this is me.
• 50:40
  Like, look at me, I'm a human, I have computers and I have cars.
• 50:44
  And look at all this crazy technology if I wanted to to.
• 50:47
  To communicate with a lower species, the lower consciousness
• 50:50
  being, I wouldn't even be able to do it.
• 50:52
  So it's even possible that they are trying to communicate with
• 50:55
  us. They're trying to make
• 50:56
  themselves known. That's one thing I that that I
• 50:59
  like to play with. And you know if you are going to
• 51:02
  try to make yourselves known, maybe do it in a way where like
• 51:07
  again with Commander David Fraver it's very interesting.
• 51:10
  They were conducting a training, a training exercise in the US
• 51:14
  Air Force and. There, this thing showed up,
• 51:18
  this Tic Tac showed up and they chased it.
• 51:22
  David Fravor, he chased it in his jet and the thing was gone.
• 51:26
  He he could not he could not chase it.
• 51:29
  And during these training exercises, you know they they
• 51:32
  have, they're called like the LZ or something like the landing
• 51:36
  zone or like the the spot where like if you have your military
• 51:40
  base and you're conducting your training exercise where your
• 51:42
  destination is. So they saw this thing right
• 51:45
  where they were beginning to to to do their their training
• 51:48
  exercise and then it disappeared it it was gone and then when
• 51:53
  they got to the to their their destination zone, it was there
• 51:57
  waiting for them. So I mean, who knows what their
• 52:02
  potential goals are in terms of like of that, but maybe they're
• 52:07
  just really interested in our level of technological
• 52:10
  advancement. You know, they want to see our
• 52:12
  fastest ships and they want to see how, you know, how fast you
• 52:15
  know the these jets can go or what the kid their capabilities
• 52:18
  are. Maybe they want to see what we
• 52:20
  would do in a situation where we as humans are armed and we come
• 52:25
  across them and we think maybe they're a threat.
• 52:27
  Maybe they want to see if we'll go and attack them because there
• 52:30
  have been instances where we have shot at them and we've
• 52:34
  tried to to go after them. So who knows if they're maybe
• 52:37
  just trying to test? You know how our reactions are,
• 52:41
  what we would do, and in terms of like if we would freak out,
• 52:47
  if our if our first inclination is to engage violently, you
• 52:52
  know, who knows? It's so hard to determine, you
• 52:55
  know, what their motivations could possibly be.
• 53:00
  The Galileo project. The goal of Galileo project is
• 53:05
  set to bring the search for extraterrestrial technological
• 53:08
  signatures of extraterrestrial technological civilizations
• 53:13
  ETC's from accidental or anecdotal observations and
• 53:17
  legends to the mainstream of transparent, validated and
• 53:22
  systematic scientific research. This project is complementary to
• 53:27
  traditional SETI in that it searches for physical objects
• 53:32
  and not electromagnetic signals associated with extraterrestrial
• 53:36
  technological equipment. This is all from Harvard, by the
• 53:38
  way, last December. This would have been back in
• 53:41
  2023. Oh, sorry, No, yeah, no, 2022.
• 53:45
  So, but it's a 2023 report. Avi Loeb.
• 53:50
  I think I'm saying that, right. Avi Loeb?
• 53:51
  That's. The guy I mentioned earlier, Avi
• 53:53
  Loeb, yeah, yeah, Harvard University astrophysicist and
• 53:56
  head of the Galilero project stated.
• 54:00
  The project's research team began collecting high quality
• 54:04
  scientific data with a custom built observatory that was
• 54:08
  temporarily located on the roof of the Harvard College
• 54:11
  Observatory. It's since been moved to another
• 54:14
  location. Assembled at a cost of about
• 54:16
  $300,000, the observatory can capture continuous video of the
• 54:22
  sky at infrared optical. I wasn't even the way we still
• 54:25
  use them for it. Optical and radio bends and can
• 54:29
  record ambient sound as well. The plan is to analyze the data
• 54:33
  with artificial intelligence algorithms.
• 54:35
  Now this is interesting, bringing AI into the into of
• 54:38
  things before making the results available to the scientific
• 54:42
  community and the general public.
• 54:44
  Loeb As a first step, the team has drafted and submitted papers
• 54:50
  to peer reviewed journals describing the project's method
• 54:52
  and goals. Good thing about this as well on
• 54:55
  a side note is that because it's academic, the academic world is
• 55:00
  always fighting trying to find funding from various sources,
• 55:02
  but they don't necessarily need it from the government to
• 55:05
  continue with their research, which I thought it's brilliant.
• 55:07
  So anyone that's willing to fund them, fund them, because that
• 55:09
  means that this research will continue.
• 55:12
  We are planning to make 3 copies of this system over the spring
• 55:15
  of 2023 and to then place them in desired locations while we
• 55:19
  continue to test the first system at Harvard, Loeb says.
• 55:22
  In the coming years, we need funding at a level of 10s of
• 55:25
  millions of dollars to get hundreds such systems to obtain
• 55:29
  through statistics on UAP. As a couple of quotes and
• 55:33
  comments, I've left here so I had to highlight this.
• 55:36
  The reason that they're unidentified is because the US
• 55:40
  government does not possess data of sufficient quality to
• 55:43
  decipher their nature. I love this.
• 55:46
  It's always like dismissing everything that's ever been
• 55:48
  because it's like, well, if the US government can't confirm that
• 55:53
  this is what it is, then it's just nonsense.
• 55:56
  And it's like Okay says, the only way to advance our
• 56:01
  knowledge on the nature of UAP is for the assembly of high
• 56:04
  quality data from instruments that are fully calibrated and
• 56:08
  yield reproducible results are continuing.
• 56:12
  The need for rigor goes hand in hand with the wildest notions
• 56:15
  about the most anomalous observed UAP's, namely that
• 56:19
  regardless of their origins, they are somehow a product of
• 56:22
  new physics beyond what defines our scientific understanding of
• 56:26
  reality. This is a really good point.
• 56:28
  Sketchy data actually use this in the sketchy.
• 56:33
  Sorry, just that term. I did not expect that in like
• 56:36
  Harvard, it simply cannot be used to test such a profound
• 56:40
  possibility. Load maintains the bar on such a
• 56:43
  discovery is very high and requires A demonstration that
• 56:46
  conventional interpretations fail.
• 56:48
  He says only the highest quality data could remove reasonable
• 56:53
  doubts, and I sort of commented on this.
• 56:56
  So we don't have the necessary tools to measure what we don't
• 56:59
  understand. Therefore we have to test
• 57:01
  whether those tools are in fact reliable or not.
• 57:05
  It's like we don't understand what we don't understand.
• 57:07
  Almost that's what I'm getting from this.
• 57:10
  We need better tools. There's also some independent
• 57:15
  groups. I wanted to cover this as well.
• 57:17
  Just bring this in here that are unrelated to the government,
• 57:20
  which I find this interesting. So there's one called UAPX,
• 57:23
  which is a Florida based nonprofit organization dedicated
• 57:26
  to the scientific study of UAP's.
• 57:28
  Its team includes physicists, engineers, and other
• 57:31
  specialists, and like the Gallo project, it deploys customized
• 57:36
  sensor lading gear in its quest for more data.
• 57:40
  UAP instruments include infrared, visible, sorry, and
• 57:44
  ultraviolet cameras and spectrographs.
• 57:47
  In July 2021, UAPX team members track their sensors to the
• 57:52
  Catalina Channel, the purported UAP hotspot off the coast of
• 57:55
  California. Data gathered during the five
• 57:58
  day outing revealed potential anomalous activity, which is
• 58:02
  just a whole lot of nothing, UAPX team members say.
• 58:05
  But the group has not yet released its full results.
• 58:09
  Matthew Sizzidagis I'm going to guess that's how you say his
• 58:13
  name. I'm sorry if I budgeted that a
• 58:14
  UAPX team member and associate professor in physics at the
• 58:18
  University of Albany, State University of New York,
• 58:21
  categorizes the problem with UAP study as a lack of cohesion.
• 58:26
  All organizations, be they governmental, military,
• 58:29
  scientists, civilian, have their own reporting methods and
• 58:31
  standards, and those taking their own data all use different
• 58:35
  technologies, he observes. How is anyone supposed to make
• 58:38
  headway against such a hodgepodge with QAPX?
• 58:43
  Our solution is to only look at our own data, Sizzy The biggest
• 58:48
  sets. Countless other non governmental
• 58:51
  organizations look at witness reports and other data, making
• 58:53
  UAP X's mission mission a complementary one in nature.
• 58:57
  Why? Because they're just ignoring
• 58:58
  everyone else. They're just only using their
• 59:00
  data, so that makes them separate.
• 59:03
  Another final example, Enigma Labs, another data-driven
• 59:08
  approach from Enigma Labs, a private company based in New
• 59:11
  York City that is developing a mobile platform for
• 59:14
  crowdsourcing UAP reports. I found this fascinating.
• 59:18
  The company's newly launched smartphone app, There's Always a
• 59:21
  bloody Smartphone App offers both a repository for some 200
• 59:25
  and 7000 thousand historic sightings from the past century.
• 59:30
  These numbers just keep flying and ways for users to record,
• 59:33
  upload and rate new ones. Dodgy though that you, anyone
• 59:37
  can potentially upload this each observation is subject to an
• 59:41
  Enigma score, a one through 100 rating that's dependent on a
• 59:45
  variety of factors, such as the number and distribution of
• 59:49
  witnesses, as well as the notional quality of the
• 59:52
  collected data. By ingesting hundreds of
• 59:55
  thousands of sightings reported in every country and learning
• 59:58
  from historical sightings, we've been able to build a
• 1:00:01
  standardized reporting model that will make sightings
• 1:00:04
  comparable, queryable, and accessible across the world,
• 1:00:09
  says Mark Douglas. Chief Operating Officer of
• 1:00:13
  Enigma Labs. One of the company's most
• 1:00:15
  important objectives, Douglas says, is to educate the public
• 1:00:19
  around what UAP are not highlighting in terms of cases
• 1:00:23
  of mistaken identity. Where observers were flummoxed
• 1:00:27
  by balloon toting lanterns, overflying satellites, falling
• 1:00:32
  space debris, even pyrotechnic wearing skydivers show boats in
• 1:00:38
  their aerial arrow attics. That way we are hopefully
• 1:00:42
  improving the quality of reporting overall, he concludes.
• 1:00:45
  Okay, a few things I just want to kind of like delve into here.
• 1:00:50
  I think it's noteworthy that they're trying to improve their
• 1:00:53
  methods for how they're investigating these things.
• 1:00:58
  I think that's brilliant. It's interesting the different
• 1:01:01
  types of technology and I'm really intrigued by how they're
• 1:01:04
  going to use a I to introduce that to the purporting element.
• 1:01:10
  Any thoughts or opinions on this Josh, as far as like how the
• 1:01:13
  studies and investigations into Ufo's are now developing and of
• 1:01:17
  course how technology is is sort of rapidly changing in that sort
• 1:01:20
  of area? Yeah, definitely.
• 1:01:23
  You know, I think the Galileo project is really on the right
• 1:01:25
  track here. Recently, they had put out their
• 1:01:30
  findings on they they found pieces of metal like little
• 1:01:33
  spherical pieces of metal in the Pacific Ocean.
• 1:01:36
  And they're able to identify that the structure, like the
• 1:01:40
  molecular structure of the metals is like non earth, like
• 1:01:46
  it didn't originate from Earth. So that means that it could
• 1:01:49
  possibly have come from a meteor, it could have come from
• 1:01:53
  non human intelligence, it could come from anywhere.
• 1:01:56
  But that's the type of research that I think needs to be done,
• 1:02:00
  especially in the scientific community, because those are
• 1:02:03
  things that you can actually look at, identify.
• 1:02:06
  And say, OK, this is an anomaly here, this doesn't belong
• 1:02:10
  because it's really difficult. I understand a lot of these
• 1:02:14
  these organizations like you said, the one that that puts out
• 1:02:17
  to the smartphone app where wants people to film stuff and
• 1:02:20
  and we want to have this database of of sightings like
• 1:02:24
  it's just difficult, it's very, very hard to make any conclusive
• 1:02:29
  statements based off of anecdotal evidence.
• 1:02:32
  And based off something that you can't actually approve, you
• 1:02:35
  know, that's why I I do think the Galileo project, Avi Loeb
• 1:02:39
  and some of these other guys who are trying to like really
• 1:02:42
  pinpoint the science and identifying what is from here
• 1:02:47
  and what is not from here is a good way to start.
• 1:02:49
  And maybe if there are you know back engineered Ufo's and crafts
• 1:02:55
  that you know these these contracted companies have?
• 1:02:58
  Maybe it would be a good idea to share that with mainstream
• 1:03:01
  science so that we can figure out, you know from there what to
• 1:03:04
  do. You know how to maybe research
• 1:03:08
  their ability to travel so fast without any sort of heat
• 1:03:12
  signature. Because the real implications
• 1:03:14
  here in terms of the people that are just living daily lives and
• 1:03:19
  don't really care too much about aliens and UF O's are the
• 1:03:23
  potential for widespread. Technological advancement,
• 1:03:26
  advancement for us. You know, imagine what it could
• 1:03:29
  mean to revolutionize how we consume energy, how we
• 1:03:33
  distribute energy to completely revolutionize travel.
• 1:03:38
  There's just so many technological implications to
• 1:03:41
  what we could figure out here that could just benefit the
• 1:03:44
  whole world and could, you know, potentially eradicate a lot of
• 1:03:49
  the. Widespread issues that we're
• 1:03:52
  seeing, you know, across third world countries and even across
• 1:03:55
  our own homelessness and, you know, the inability to, you
• 1:03:59
  know, just acquire basic goods because of a capitalistic system
• 1:04:04
  that has just shit all over its people.
• 1:04:06
  You know, the all this stuff could be completely reformed
• 1:04:10
  with, you know, free energy and radical advancement in our
• 1:04:13
  technology. I think that's really where it's
• 1:04:16
  going to affect people the most. Couldn't agree more.
• 1:04:21
  Let's talk whistleblowers real quick.
• 1:04:24
  I got this information from the Scientific American.
• 1:04:26
  This is a specific article. According to Leslie Keen, a
• 1:04:30
  veteran investigative reporter who has spent decades covering
• 1:04:34
  UFOS&UAPS, the most important near term progress on the topic
• 1:04:39
  is likely to come out of Capitol Hill rather than any science lab
• 1:04:43
  or smartphone app. The next year and a half should
• 1:04:45
  be a heady time for UAP revelations, she says.
• 1:04:48
  Thanks to the National Defense Authorization Act Fiscal year
• 1:04:52
  2023. Amongst other things, that act
• 1:04:55
  includes arrangements for a better, more secure process for
• 1:04:58
  whistleblowers to come forward. Now, you touched on this
• 1:05:01
  earlier. I just want to kind of expand on
• 1:05:02
  it a bit. This process has already begun,
• 1:05:05
  Keen says, with some whistleblowers having met
• 1:05:07
  congressional staff and all members of Aero.
• 1:05:11
  Those who've signed secrecy agreements related to UAP are
• 1:05:14
  now free to reveal that previously protected information
• 1:05:17
  to Arrow and to Congress without fear of retribution or
• 1:05:21
  prosecution, Keen explains. Congressional committees could
• 1:05:25
  then make an effort to verify the information provided by the
• 1:05:27
  whistleblowers, some of which may concern the recovery of
• 1:05:31
  materials from crashed UFO's and involve legacy investigative
• 1:05:35
  programs going back decades, Keen foresees.
• 1:05:39
  Of course we don't know how much of the information provided will
• 1:05:42
  be made public, she adds. Some of it may have national
• 1:05:45
  security implications and will have to be withheld.
• 1:05:48
  But ideally the new process will bring more valuable UAP data to
• 1:05:53
  light and help validate earlier reports from reputable
• 1:05:56
  eyewitnesses who already came forward.
• 1:05:58
  Now, there's a push for these whistleblowers, but I don't know
• 1:06:03
  if they can really guarantee people's secrecy.
• 1:06:06
  Sorry, security. Really.
• 1:06:08
  I You know, famously when people have spoken out on these things,
• 1:06:14
  people have disappeared. Never heard from those people
• 1:06:16
  again. Dodgy things happen.
• 1:06:18
  We've heard about the the men in black suits in regards to Ufo's
• 1:06:23
  and and phenomena. Do you think they're really
• 1:06:29
  legitimately trying to protect people here and and get
• 1:06:32
  information? Or is this just a way of getting
• 1:06:34
  people to be like, hey, trust us, everything's OK, come give
• 1:06:38
  us your story and then see you later?
• 1:06:41
  I think that it's legitimate and the reason I say that is because
• 1:06:45
  I go back to the the two facets of government that are involved
• 1:06:48
  here the our elected officials. Who are out of the loop?
• 1:06:52
  And then the dark secret government people who are in the
• 1:06:55
  loop, our elected officials, the people that we elect, an office
• 1:06:59
  that we trust to allocate our tax dollars, they're left out of
• 1:07:02
  this. They're they're just as out of
• 1:07:06
  out of the loop as as we are. So I think they are making a
• 1:07:09
  concerted effort because think about it, If you're an elected
• 1:07:12
  official and you should have oversight of these programs and
• 1:07:17
  you find out that you don't. You find out that you're not
• 1:07:20
  even able to to get information on them and there is 0
• 1:07:26
  congressional oversight for what these people can do in these
• 1:07:28
  programs. I I mean, if I was the
• 1:07:31
  congressman, I'd be pissed and I would want to get to the bottom
• 1:07:33
  of it. And I think they are.
• 1:07:35
  I think we have. What we're seeing here in this
• 1:07:37
  disclosure movement is you're seeing our elected officials
• 1:07:42
  versus the dark shadow governments and right now that
• 1:07:45
  they seem to be at a head. I don't know.
• 1:07:49
  In terms of the safety of the whistleblowers.
• 1:07:53
  I really hope that the government will do whatever they
• 1:07:57
  can, but they can't prevent smear campaigns.
• 1:08:01
  And right now that guy David Grush that I had brought up
• 1:08:03
  before, there's a small smear campaign that's sort of taking
• 1:08:06
  place right now against him. So they're going to try to
• 1:08:10
  question the credibility of some of these people.
• 1:08:12
  But. I mean, already there's a huge,
• 1:08:15
  huge number of whistleblowers that have come forward and I've
• 1:08:18
  had meetings with Congress and with other people.
• 1:08:21
  The one that was on TV and that was widespread, that was a that
• 1:08:25
  was just the one instance. There were three guys, but there
• 1:08:27
  have been countless people who are coming forward within these
• 1:08:30
  programs. So I think Leslie Keen is right.
• 1:08:33
  She is a great journalist and she's been on this, this topic
• 1:08:36
  for a while. I do think that we are going to
• 1:08:40
  get a very important piece of this.
• 1:08:43
  Disclosure from our our elected officials, which is weird
• 1:08:45
  because I never thought I'd ever say that I don't trust these
• 1:08:48
  people at all. But it's crazy man.
• 1:08:50
  You know our the United States government is so, so divided, so
• 1:08:57
  divided on on everything. If you look at I've watched a
• 1:09:00
  few congressional hearings on different topics.
• 1:09:03
  One of the ones I watched recently was the Twitter files.
• 1:09:06
  That was interesting because you see the.
• 1:09:09
  The the Congress people that are on the left and the Congress
• 1:09:12
  people on the right, Republican and Democrat, they're just
• 1:09:15
  fighting the whole time. You there, there.
• 1:09:17
  There's there's one group of people who are on the side of
• 1:09:20
  the whistleblowers and one group that's not.
• 1:09:23
  And it's so obvious. But in the UFO congressional
• 1:09:28
  hearings, you could not tell whether or not each of these
• 1:09:32
  people were Democrat or Republican.
• 1:09:34
  Every one of them, they were asking really good questions.
• 1:09:38
  There was no division at all. So to me, that's a really,
• 1:09:42
  really good sign. I mean, you have, you know, Tim
• 1:09:44
  Burchett, who is like a Republican, and then you have
• 1:09:49
  Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, who is who couldn't be more to the
• 1:09:53
  left. And these two people are both
• 1:09:55
  asking genuine, legitimate questions, trying to get to the
• 1:09:59
  bottom of an issue and not bringing their politics into it
• 1:10:02
  at all. So to me, that's a beautiful
• 1:10:03
  thing. I've never seen that before and
• 1:10:06
  it's a good sign. Yeah, I mean, but stating the
• 1:10:11
  obvious. But, I mean it's a it's a issue
• 1:10:13
  that we have to kind of be united on because it's we need a
• 1:10:18
  unified response to it, really. I mean if if, if if aliens came
• 1:10:22
  down tomorrow, we would need a unified response.
• 1:10:25
  As far as like how to react to that, we can't be quibbling,
• 1:10:28
  squabbling, sorry amongst ourselves.
• 1:10:30
  We need to decide together. So, yeah, I couldn't agree more.
• 1:10:34
  A couple of like final questions here which blew my mind.
• 1:10:38
  I think they're brilliant. Thank you so much, Billma.
• 1:10:40
  You are amazing. Couple of final questions.
• 1:10:44
  Here we go. What is the role of popular
• 1:10:47
  culture in shaping beliefs and perceptions about UFOSI thought
• 1:10:52
  this was a fantastic question because and before I let you
• 1:10:56
  answer Josh, I'll just give my quick opinion on this.
• 1:10:58
  I think that the role initially was to just bank on it, have fun
• 1:11:03
  with it, make money out of it. You know, we mentioned earlier
• 1:11:06
  about like it's true. You go Las Vegas, there's like a
• 1:11:09
  million different like alien theme shops and hotels and
• 1:11:13
  merchandise and you know, like TV shows like The X-Files,
• 1:11:16
  whatever. Like it's there's so much out
• 1:11:18
  there and still to this day. But now we've moved past that
• 1:11:24
  and we're getting to a point where it's being taken a bit
• 1:11:27
  more seriously. And I think that a big reason
• 1:11:30
  for that is that technology has shifted.
• 1:11:33
  And I know we've touched on that before earlier, but now it's
• 1:11:36
  more verifiable now. It's no longer what's that
• 1:11:39
  random thing in the sky, but I have no way or idea of
• 1:11:45
  identifying what that is. Now we can do things like send a
• 1:11:47
  drone up. We can get image processing of
• 1:11:51
  it from my miles and miles away with it.
• 1:11:55
  There's so much and there's ways to record stuff and there's just
• 1:11:58
  stuff that just didn't exist, say like 40-50 years ago.
• 1:12:02
  And I think that naturally that is going to shift public
• 1:12:05
  perception. And also, look, I mean, it's
• 1:12:07
  being acknowledged. Instead of the government always
• 1:12:09
  just saying like, now this is nonsense, now forget it, forget
• 1:12:12
  it, forget it. Now they're setting up
• 1:12:14
  organizations to study this. There's unified efforts across
• 1:12:18
  the world. There's independent bodies
• 1:12:21
  studying this information. Basically, I feel to answer the
• 1:12:25
  question, what is the role of popular culture now?
• 1:12:28
  Well, I think it's more about kind of maybe lending some
• 1:12:33
  legitimacy to this, maybe trying to make people realize, hey,
• 1:12:36
  it's no longer just a bit of scifi fun now, maybe it's a real
• 1:12:39
  thing that, you know, we're headed for.
• 1:12:42
  But pose the question to you, Josh.
• 1:12:45
  What is the role of popular culture in shaping beliefs and
• 1:12:47
  perceptions about UFOs? I think a big role is we need to
• 1:12:52
  push our elected officials and push our public servants to get
• 1:12:57
  to the bottom of this in a responsible way.
• 1:13:00
  You know, public perception can be swayed.
• 1:13:02
  It can be influenced in so many different ways.
• 1:13:04
  And we've seen that throughout, you know, the 50-60 years of
• 1:13:08
  propaganda that's been pushed on us by movies, by TV, by news,
• 1:13:13
  by, you know. What are they called?
• 1:13:17
  Tabloids. Oh my gosh, the tabloids.
• 1:13:20
  I think I discovered this recently.
• 1:13:23
  I think it was the Inquirer, one of the one of the really popular
• 1:13:26
  tabloids. The the very first tabloids in
• 1:13:30
  America were created because of the UFO phenomenon.
• 1:13:32
  They were created to make, to make lights of.
• 1:13:36
  I believe it was the Roswell crash.
• 1:13:38
  So that the public, their perception, will be altered in a
• 1:13:41
  way that would adhere to the propaganda as opposed to
• 1:13:44
  questioning what actually happened.
• 1:13:46
  And adhering to the initial reports that it was a flying
• 1:13:49
  saucer that crashed. So public perception, very
• 1:13:52
  interesting, because we are very multiple people.
• 1:13:55
  We can be led to believe almost anything.
• 1:13:59
  But I think it's imperative that as a public, we responsibly do
• 1:14:04
  our own research, not get caught into too many conspiracies, but
• 1:14:08
  to do our research to find the evidence and to push.
• 1:14:11
  Our scientists, our government, our people in power to not only
• 1:14:16
  research this but also disclose the information to us because we
• 1:14:20
  we deserve it. You know this, this country,
• 1:14:23
  your country, any democratic nation is run by its people.
• 1:14:28
  We are the ones who keep this place going.
• 1:14:30
  If it wasn't for us, who would take the, the, the trash out?
• 1:14:34
  You know who would detail the cars, Who would sell the
• 1:14:36
  whatever's? You know who would?
• 1:14:38
  You know, process all the orders.
• 1:14:40
  You know, we we as people, we run this shit and we deserve to
• 1:14:44
  know what's going on behind the scenes.
• 1:14:46
  And I think it's our, it's our responsibility to push our
• 1:14:51
  elected officials to disclose this information to us or at
• 1:14:54
  least disclose the information to us.
• 1:14:56
  That's not detrimental to the Department of Defense because I
• 1:15:00
  could definitely see a situation, maybe some things
• 1:15:03
  that we shouldn't, you know, say to the public because.
• 1:15:07
  Of course, other countries are going to try to weaponize it and
• 1:15:10
  there's definitely circumstances where we don't want to share too
• 1:15:13
  much of the technology, so I do get that.
• 1:15:17
  But the widespread panic thing that we covered earlier, isn't
• 1:15:19
  it like you just don't want to panic people?
• 1:15:22
  Maybe. Maybe there is stuff that is
• 1:15:24
  really concerning about this alien technology or alien life
• 1:15:27
  that we that the government knows and they're just thinking
• 1:15:30
  like if we tell people, I mean this is really bad, like people
• 1:15:34
  won't react well to this and it could ruin everything.
• 1:15:37
  I think if that is true, maybe it is better to at least keep it
• 1:15:41
  under wraps for now. This question is absolutely
• 1:15:46
  incredible, and I don't even know that we've even touched
• 1:15:50
  this, but yeah, I've definitely had conversations with various
• 1:15:53
  family members about stuff like this since.
• 1:15:56
  Thank you, Vilma again for this, This final question.
• 1:15:59
  Since watching the film Prometheus, where it is shown
• 1:16:01
  that humans are probably so different from all of the
• 1:16:04
  species on Earth because their DNA contains a strain of alien
• 1:16:08
  DNA, this theory kind of stayed with me and sort of made sense
• 1:16:12
  in my head. I mean, we share almost 99%
• 1:16:15
  identical DNA as apes. I think it's a little bit less
• 1:16:18
  than maybe like 97, but yeah, thereabouts.
• 1:16:20
  What about this 1% or say 3%? Why are we only the only species
• 1:16:25
  on this planet that can talk and build wonderful things and
• 1:16:27
  civilizations, but also destroy each other and our planet in
• 1:16:31
  terrible and brutal ways? What do you guys think about
• 1:16:34
  this theory of human DNA containing other alien DNA?
• 1:16:38
  Okay, there's two things in this I want to address right off the
• 1:16:40
  bat before we get into that, because that's huge.
• 1:16:44
  That first question Why are we the only species on this planet
• 1:16:47
  that can talk and build things? That fascinates me.
• 1:16:52
  Why is that? Have there not been others?
• 1:16:55
  Why is it only in us? Why is it that that, like in the
• 1:16:57
  animal Kingdom, like they say that dolphins are supposed to be
• 1:17:00
  like super, super intelligent, right?
• 1:17:02
  OK, great. But why haven't they evolved
• 1:17:04
  like us? You know, I know they're sea
• 1:17:07
  based. I know people are going to call
• 1:17:08
  me out and be like, oh, you're an idiot.
• 1:17:09
  But like, no, but let's just look at that for a second.
• 1:17:11
  Like we've evolved. We evolved from something more
• 1:17:15
  primitive to the point where we are now, where I'm more evolved
• 1:17:18
  again in the future. And I look at animals and you
• 1:17:21
  could argue maybe it's just cuz we're the dominant species and
• 1:17:24
  that's the only reason. But I don't think it's
• 1:17:26
  completely implausible to think that other species could have
• 1:17:30
  developed at the same point as us and developed their own mini
• 1:17:33
  civilizations or challenging or even better than us.
• 1:17:36
  You know, let's explore that for a second.
• 1:17:40
  Why do you think that's not happened?
• 1:17:43
  Man, Vilma, thank you for these questions.
• 1:17:45
  They're fantastic. This is so interesting.
• 1:17:49
  Now, man, there are so many different ways that evolution
• 1:17:52
  can can track, but we are obviously very different.
• 1:17:57
  I mean, we we manipulate our environment in the weirdest way.
• 1:18:01
  I mean, look what we're doing right now, we're interfacing
• 1:18:03
  across the world, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:05
  Through electronics, there's there's something to be said
• 1:18:09
  about the the intelligence of dolphins and orcas and all of
• 1:18:13
  this. I'd like to look at dolphins and
• 1:18:16
  orcas and things that are really super intelligent in nature as
• 1:18:20
  very wise. I think that on the scale of
• 1:18:25
  wisdom versus intelligence, I think humans are very, very
• 1:18:28
  intelligent, maybe not so wise. So I think we do have something
• 1:18:33
  something to learn from the orcas and from the dolphins in
• 1:18:35
  terms of wisdom, how to symbiotically live with the
• 1:18:39
  earth instead of destroying it. How to live with each other in
• 1:18:43
  packs instead of destroying each other?
• 1:18:45
  There are many things to learn and that I think they have a leg
• 1:18:49
  up on in terms of wisdom. But we are just so different.
• 1:18:54
  We are so different. We have culture, we have art.
• 1:18:58
  We do very, very strange things. And then like, I don't know if
• 1:19:03
  you want to segue into the second part of that question,
• 1:19:05
  but I think the second part of that that question can answer
• 1:19:08
  the first part. It is very possible that we can
• 1:19:13
  that we have been our DNA has been altered by some alien race.
• 1:19:19
  This is like super duper, like deep conspiracy.
• 1:19:22
  But there is, I mean this also goes toward ancient cultures as
• 1:19:25
  well. There are ancient texts, ancient
• 1:19:28
  cave art, and ancient art all over the place that claim there
• 1:19:32
  were were gods that ascended from, you know the cosmos came
• 1:19:37
  down. And either altered our genetics
• 1:19:40
  in some way or altered the evolution of our consciousness
• 1:19:44
  in some way, and I mean it. The more and more I think about
• 1:19:49
  it and the more research I do want it it, it almost seems
• 1:19:53
  plausible to me because we are that different.
• 1:19:55
  We are just such an anomaly on this planet.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, I if I think for me personally, I always look at the
• 1:20:04
  fact that like. There's so many unanswered
• 1:20:07
  questions and so much we don't know.
• 1:20:11
  And yeah, tying into that, that first part of the question, it
• 1:20:15
  would make a lot of sense that there was some intervention of
• 1:20:17
  some description or certainly like something that speed things
• 1:20:20
  up. So to say that we couldn't have
• 1:20:22
  ever necessarily got to that point, but it blows my mind.
• 1:20:25
  I mean, especially when you look at other simian varieties on
• 1:20:30
  earth that haven't evolved to that point.
• 1:20:32
  Now you can make the argument that okay, they're being held
• 1:20:35
  back by us even, but even in nature, the ones that aren't
• 1:20:39
  actively being held in captivity, why have they not
• 1:20:42
  advanced to the same level we have?
• 1:20:44
  Maybe it just takes many, many years or maybe it's because
• 1:20:47
  we've got that like leg up, so to speak, from a kind of
• 1:20:52
  scientific perspective, like we there was some intervention.
• 1:20:55
  I don't know. It's not impossible, but it's
• 1:21:00
  one of those things that that doesn't seem to be like cold,
• 1:21:04
  hard evidence for. But it when we talk about the
• 1:21:07
  specifics as far as like the datum, the makeup of the DNA,
• 1:21:13
  there's some unanswered questions there that need some
• 1:21:15
  explaining. What's going on there?
• 1:21:18
  Don't know what's going on there.
• 1:21:20
  Very interesting stuff, man. This whole show has been
• 1:21:24
  absolutely incredible, and I think that we've outdone
• 1:21:27
  ourselves on this one. I knew that you come prepared
• 1:21:32
  and I knew I needed to step up my a game.
• 1:21:35
  And you know what I've learned? I've learned a lot through
• 1:21:37
  through doing this. I think I learned a lot about
• 1:21:41
  just not just the topic at hand, but also just the the nature of
• 1:21:45
  doing deep dives and like how to approach it and such.
• 1:21:47
  You know, because you've got like your own opinion, the
• 1:21:51
  scientific opinions, the opinions of the masses, you got
• 1:21:54
  everything. And like Ufo's, like as I
• 1:21:56
  mentioned at the beginning of this, it's the tip of the
• 1:21:59
  iceberg. We've we've only given you a
• 1:22:01
  very, very brief kind of, let's say I I called this introduction
• 1:22:09
  to to UFOs and aliens and I think that's a, I think it is a
• 1:22:12
  very good introduction to those things.
• 1:22:16
  But it is by no means comprehensive.
• 1:22:18
  There's so much out there, so many different angles.
• 1:22:21
  And that's ironic because, you know, it's kind of like how we
• 1:22:27
  are with our understanding of aliens and UFOs.
• 1:22:30
  There's so much we don't understand.
• 1:22:31
  There's so much we don't know. Maybe we'll come to know that in
• 1:22:33
  the future. But here we are with this
• 1:22:37
  introduction. And I think that it couldn't
• 1:22:40
  have been done without yourself, Josh.
• 1:22:42
  So thank you so much for all your hard work and and your time
• 1:22:46
  and dedication here. Thank you so much to Vilma as
• 1:22:48
  well for for just all the wonderful questions and for
• 1:22:52
  everyone who who is invested in what we're doing to me and to
• 1:22:58
  me. And just like podcasting and and
• 1:22:59
  creating these shows means a lot if you think of me for speaking
• 1:23:05
  on behalf of you. But you know, there the reality
• 1:23:10
  is, and we said this both off camera, but I want to cover it
• 1:23:12
  here. The reality is there are so many
• 1:23:15
  shows out there, so many shows, good shows as well, Not just not
• 1:23:19
  just the crappy ones, which is what I'm implying.
• 1:23:21
  But there are a lot of good shows out there too.
• 1:23:24
  And we're all fighting to try and be heard ironically.
• 1:23:28
  And I think we'll always continue doing what we do.
• 1:23:33
  And I love shows like this where it kind of reminds me why I
• 1:23:36
  started doing this in the 1st place.
• 1:23:38
  And I've said this to you before, but I say it again.
• 1:23:40
  I absolutely love speaking with you, Josh.
• 1:23:42
  It's always a pleasure. Thank you so much.
• 1:23:45
  Really appreciate it, man. Couldn't have done it without
• 1:23:47
  you. Thank you so much, man.
• 1:23:49
  Your your episodes are always fantastic.
• 1:23:51
  You, you always come so prepared.
• 1:23:54
  I know that every time you approach me with a topic or I
• 1:23:56
  come to you, it's you know we're gonna have a great conversation.
• 1:23:59
  I just really appreciate it, man.
• 1:24:01
  And thank you Vilma again as you said for the amazing questions.
• 1:24:05
  It's just it's such a ride man. And you know, we met through
• 1:24:09
  through this, you know, and now we continue to have hour long
• 1:24:12
  hours and hours long conversations together, you
• 1:24:14
  know, just trying to figure stuff out.
• 1:24:17
  You know, we may not be the the most successful podcasters in
• 1:24:20
  the whole world, but man, we are learning so much and making
• 1:24:24
  connections and that's what matters, man.
• 1:24:27
  Wouldn't be more right. Thank you so much, man.
• 1:24:30
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• 1:25:10
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