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Credlin | 23 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look well done, Chris Kenny. It's been fantastic coverage
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Speaker 2: from Washington, DC. Now come home and get warm and
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Speaker 2: be warm here certainly on Monday in Australia. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the show. Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. With
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Speaker 2: the unofficial election campaign in full swing, I'll take a
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Speaker 2: look at where the Prime Minister and the opposition leader
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Speaker 2: are focusing their time the seats they are going to
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Speaker 2: tells us a lot about where.
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Speaker 3: The campaign's up to.
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Speaker 2: Plus another diabolic poll result for the PM. Australians see
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Speaker 2: no signs of hope in the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 2: Anthony albernezi Is still refuses to be drawn today and
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Speaker 2: reports it foreign actors are behind Australia's rise in anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic terror attacks. He says it's all under investigation, but
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Speaker 2: he won't tell us anything now. Is this because he's
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Speaker 2: not across his brief A former senior AFP officer will
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Speaker 2: weigh in tonight Glass Trump's shock.
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Speaker 3: And All approach.
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Speaker 2: I said, this is what's year Republicans that told me
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Speaker 2: would happen, And it is day three of his presidency.
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Speaker 2: Already troops are being deployed to the border with Mexico.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of the illegal migrants, you won't believe the
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Speaker 2: number of them currently living in London. Maybe you will.
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Speaker 2: I'll relieve that. Reveal that to you later in the show.
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Speaker 2: And Melbourne yet again bracing the mass protests on Sunday
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Speaker 2: anti Australia Day, protests converging with the usual pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: mob set to tarnish our country's reputation on the world stage.
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Speaker 4: A lot of these protests are designed and many of
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Speaker 4: the people at the protests will not be there based
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Speaker 4: on just the Australia Day of twenty six I guarantee
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Speaker 4: you there will be more flags at those protests for
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Speaker 4: pro Palestine rather.
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Speaker 5: Than talking about Australia Day.
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Speaker 4: People will use this as a platform for their own
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Speaker 4: political agenda.
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Speaker 3: Let's just stay on that issue.
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Speaker 2: Because just when it seemed Australia Day was finally safe,
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Speaker 2: the haters that are at it again. Australian Venue Company,
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Speaker 2: the Hong Kong owned outfit with more than two hundred
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Speaker 2: pubs in this country that previously publicly stated it would
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Speaker 2: not mark our national Day because it meant different things
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Speaker 2: it said to different people, only then to later recant
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Speaker 2: and apologize after your storms of protest, or they're up
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Speaker 2: to their former tricks. Marketing material at the pubs now
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Speaker 2: refer to the January Long weekend rather than Australia Day.
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Speaker 2: Something that was put to Opposition leader Peter Dutton today.
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Speaker 6: By somebody who is in the business of trying to
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Speaker 6: provide custom and reaps a huge profit off the back
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Speaker 6: of hard working Australians. Why they would shun the wishes
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Speaker 6: of those Australians. Because the vast majority of Australians are
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Speaker 6: particularly patrons going into some of these establishments, want us
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Speaker 6: to celebrate Australia Day. Is something that that company will
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Speaker 6: have to explain. I just say to patrons who know
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Speaker 6: the pubs at this venue that this company owns, I
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Speaker 6: would encourage them to call the company and express their
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Speaker 6: view and express that they don't support this abandonment of
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Speaker 6: our national day.
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Speaker 5: What are the country?
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Speaker 6: What other Western civilization abandons its national day? We shouldn't
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Speaker 6: and Australia should be a great celebration of an amazing country.
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Speaker 2: I urge you too to vote with your feet on
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Speaker 2: Australia Day. If you walk into a pub, a club
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Speaker 2: or restaurant, any sort of venue and you can't see
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Speaker 2: the Australian flag. Walk out, take your custom where people
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Speaker 2: are celebrating our national Day. But what this pub chain's
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Speaker 2: doing pales into insignificance. With news today have a huge
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Speaker 2: protest planned for Sunday that will unite Melbourne's usual pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian rent a crowd with a whole new group who
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Speaker 2: are against our National Day, with some thirty thousand activists
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Speaker 2: and general rat bags set to disrupt the city. Bear
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Speaker 2: in mind too that not only is Sunday Australia Day,
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Speaker 2: we all know that, but it's also the final day
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Speaker 2: of the Australian Open, the Men's Grand Slam Final no less,
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Speaker 2: when Melbourne and brand Australia should be putting its best
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Speaker 2: face forward to the wider world.
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Speaker 3: Now, this has got to stop.
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Speaker 2: Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to endlessly
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Speaker 2: disrupt other people going about their business. We learn today
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Speaker 2: too that it's Victoria's new First Nations Assembly that's encouraging
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Speaker 2: these protests, something the Premier today was asked about but
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Speaker 2: failed to condemn.
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Speaker 7: Do you think it's the role of the First People's
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Speaker 7: Assembly to be encouraging people to attend these protests.
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Speaker 8: Look, the First People's Assembly are an independent they're an
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Speaker 8: independent body, and they are an elected body, and they're
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Speaker 8: independent of government, and how they choose to conduct themselves
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Speaker 8: is a matter for them.
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Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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Speaker 2: And yet again, just like the Voice, they're so out
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Speaker 2: of step with the majority. Latest pobbling showing that sixty
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Speaker 2: nine percent of Australians with a majority now across every
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Speaker 2: single age group, think that Australia Day should be celebrated
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Speaker 2: on January twenty six. And we also know that no
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Speaker 2: date will satisfy the haters because their objection is not
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Speaker 2: to any particular day, but to Australia itself and our
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Speaker 2: largely Anglo Celtic culture and Judeo Christian heritage. But no
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Speaker 2: way should we just have to put up with this
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Speaker 2: either disgusting.
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Speaker 8: I think it'd be disgusting to target the Australian open
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Speaker 8: and that would really break I think the patients of the.
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Speaker 2: Public now those earlier First Nations comments aside. The Utorian
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Speaker 2: Premier today said what most of us wanted to hear
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Speaker 2: on the issue, but in the end just words, because
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Speaker 2: despite being in charge of the state, she does nothing.
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Speaker 2: It's a classic example of a leader being in office
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Speaker 2: but not in power. That wasn't how labor treated protest
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Speaker 2: during the pandemic era, was it. If Victoria police could
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Speaker 2: stop the Freedom Marches, then they should be more than
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Speaker 2: capable of stopping this disruption on Australia Day. I think
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Speaker 2: the public would cheer to see the police standing up
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Speaker 2: for Australia for once, and not for the small minority
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Speaker 2: who despires the country that's been so good to them.
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Speaker 2: Now on this I'll give the last word to one
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Speaker 2: former politician, one former policeman, sorry, who's got no issues
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Speaker 2: defending our national day or our flag.
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Speaker 6: One of the things I want our country to have
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Speaker 6: greater pride in is the wonderful migrant story, to tell
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Speaker 6: the stories, particularly of people who came here from the
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Speaker 6: end of the Second World War with nothing, and people
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Speaker 6: have worked hard as tylers, as concreteors, as farmers, and
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Speaker 6: they've educated their children. They've provided an opportunity that their
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Speaker 6: grandparents could never have imagined, and their children now are
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Speaker 6: contributing in an amazing way to society. Why somebody would
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Speaker 6: be ashamed of that is beyond me.
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Speaker 2: Now, how deluded is energy Minister Chris Bowen today he
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Speaker 2: is insisting that quote, the world is shifting to net zero.
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Speaker 9: Oh, we're not giving up on that, and every little
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Speaker 9: inch of difference from one point five makes a huge difference.
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Speaker 9: So it's appropriate that the world keeps working towards it
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Speaker 9: because the implications group of being massively over one point
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Speaker 9: five for human health through our population and very significant.
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Speaker 2: Now, how can you say that with a straight face?
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Speaker 2: Just after a day when the new President Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: withdrew America from the Parish Climate Accord, declared it an
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Speaker 2: energy emergency, and then committed to getting more cheap and
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Speaker 2: reliable fossil fuels into the system. Coincidentally, America's six biggest
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Speaker 2: banks have also just withdrawn from the Net zero Climate Alliance.
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Speaker 2: It's a tacit admission. The whole renewables push is basically
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Speaker 2: a racket backed by rent seeking businesses, billionaires and former
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Speaker 2: politicians that are harvesting subsidies while leaving your bills higher
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Speaker 2: and driving our heavy industry and jobs offshore, with emissions
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Speaker 2: reduction no longer an American policy priority, and with China,
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Speaker 2: Russia and India never never committed to net zero by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty anyway, none of the world's biggest national emitters
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Speaker 2: are like minded with Australia. So what's the point of
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Speaker 2: the Albanezi government's obsessive pursuit of net zero given that
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Speaker 2: we could shut down Australia tomorrow, completely shut it down,
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Speaker 2: so that we've got no emissions at all in this country,
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Speaker 2: and just the mere increase the annual increase, since China's
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Speaker 2: emissions alone from one year to the next, would make
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Speaker 2: our sacrifice meaningless. What's also important to understand is that
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Speaker 2: the Almanza governments attempt to buy green votes and green
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Speaker 2: preferences means Australias on the verge are running out of
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Speaker 2: gas without more domestic gas extraction, and there are new
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Speaker 2: gas fields ready for exploitation in New South Wales, the
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Speaker 2: NT and off shore. We will either run out of
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Speaker 2: gas befor to import fire and gas at sky high prices.
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Speaker 2: All will have to break contracts with partners and allies
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Speaker 2: like Japan. Under Peter Dutton, the Coalition isn't quite simulating
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Speaker 2: Trump's drill baby drill policy, but in pointing to nearly
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Speaker 2: one hundred billion dollars installed resource investment, much of it
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Speaker 2: in colon gas projects, it's pretty clear that the coalition
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Speaker 2: wants to.
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Speaker 3: Dig baby dig.
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Speaker 2: Dutton's playing this shrewdly, not giving Labor a target by
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Speaker 2: committing to withdrawal from Paris or abandoned net zero. I
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Speaker 2: know a lot of people want him to do that,
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Speaker 2: but I've been there in the tactical.
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Speaker 3: Game of the last months of a campaign.
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Speaker 2: Don't give your enemies a target and saying that the
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Speaker 2: only way to.
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Speaker 3: Keep the lights on is nuclear power. That's Darton's way.
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Speaker 2: And if Labor don't understand how much their energy failures
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Speaker 2: are driving voters away, then they are in for the
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Speaker 2: shock of their lives on election day.
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Speaker 10: I'll be honest all my life, I had voted Labor.
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Speaker 10: I'll never vote Labor again. I think Albanezi is a
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Speaker 10: one sided, two faced that doesn't take into consideration anybody
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Speaker 10: out here. He's only thinking of himself.
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Speaker 11: We were shocked with the nauseus, absolutely devastated.
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Speaker 1: I do not want people coming onto my property, out
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Speaker 1: my ground.
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Speaker 2: More and more I think people are waiting for this
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Speaker 2: government with baseball bats. And the person most driving this
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Speaker 2: anger is Chris Bowen. All right, let's get the headlines
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Speaker 2: down from Canberra Sky newth political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 12: Sky News has revealed Labor Senator Sue Lyons, who previously
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Speaker 12: accused Israel of apartheid, was quietly dropped from a planned
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Speaker 12: delegation to al Schwitz. A leaked email from a senior
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Speaker 12: Home Affairs official obtained by Sky News listed the Senate
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Speaker 12: President as leader of next week's trip. That's despite the
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Speaker 12: Senate President's criticism of Israel before the last election.
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Speaker 8: Israeli policies against Palestinians fit the definition of the international
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Speaker 8: crime of apartheid.
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Speaker 12: At the seventy fifth anniversary event in twenty twenty, then
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Speaker 12: Liberal Senate President Scott Ryan was chosen to lead Australia's
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Speaker 12: delegation and Senator Lines was set to continue that tradition.
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Speaker 12: But senior government sources have now revealed to Sky News
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Speaker 12: that Senator Lines was told in late December she would
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Speaker 12: no longer be on the trip. She was let off
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Speaker 12: the hook before a final decision had been made to
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Speaker 12: send Foreign Minister Penny Wong as the head of Australia's
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Speaker 12: delegation back home, the Albanezy government will take on fifty
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Speaker 12: million dollars of debt owed by regional carrier Rex to
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Speaker 12: keep the struggling airline alive and we want.
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Speaker 11: To make sure those services continue to be delivered.
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Speaker 12: And continuing the pre election trail, the opposition leader unveils
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Speaker 12: a forty five million dollar package to upgrade roads around
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Speaker 12: the Shoal Haven in the marginal seat of Gilmore. Cameron
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Speaker 12: Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know exactly when the election will be,
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Speaker 2: but both sides are clearly at their battle stations and
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Speaker 2: where the leaders are visiting tells me everything. Instead of
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Speaker 2: chasing new territory, Labour's focused on sandbagging in their key
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Speaker 2: marginal seats, whereas the Coalition they're launching campaigns targeting Green
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Speaker 2: and Till seats as well as the must win seats
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Speaker 2: of Labor and with polling numbers once more taking a dive,
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Speaker 2: the PM's media appearances or they're ramping up. They're ahead
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Speaker 2: of Peter Dutton twenty eight to eighteen. For more in
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Speaker 2: this and the other day's big stories, I'm joined now
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Speaker 2: by Sky News political reporter Cam Redden and News Corp
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Speaker 2: Senior journalist Pat Carline. Gents, welcome, just before we get
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Speaker 2: into the election sort of chat here, Cam ll credit
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Speaker 2: to you the Sue lines and the investigative work you did.
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Speaker 2: It should not have been such an issue for Labor.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is an administrative choice who you send
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Speaker 2: to rep someone else on a delegation, But it's turned
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Speaker 2: into five days of headlines and I've got to say
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Speaker 2: to you, I can't believe the PM's office. Was it
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Speaker 2: more alive to Sue Lion's history on the record about
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Speaker 2: Israel before they signed are off in December?
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Speaker 12: Well, this was the molehill that didn't need to become
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Speaker 12: a mountain, Peter. It could have been very easily cleaned up.
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Speaker 12: A couple of days ago. We asked these questions.
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Speaker 5: We put the.
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Speaker 12: Email board, its in black and white that at one
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Speaker 12: stage she was going, and as we've confirmed today, she
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Speaker 12: was told a few days later, you're off the trip.
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Speaker 12: We need to upgrade this delegation, and as a result,
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Speaker 12: a few days after that, Penny Wong and then ultimately
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Speaker 12: Mark Drapus as well ended up going. That is the
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Speaker 12: simple series of events here. How we've got to this
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Speaker 12: several days later, Well, I suppose that's for others to answer.
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Speaker 12: We still don't know exactly why she was taken off.
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Speaker 12: It's been put to me that it wasn't necessarily related
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Speaker 12: to those past comments. But the point is, Peter, that
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Speaker 12: she was at one stage legislator to go. Well, she
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Speaker 12: was slated to go. It was in black and white.
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Speaker 12: There were steps, at least the initial stage is being
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Speaker 12: taken and people have been told she was on there,
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Speaker 12: So she was on.
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Speaker 3: She has taken behind.
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Speaker 12: We still don't have an explanation why. Yeah, well, I
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Speaker 12: mean that's all I can say for sure, but there
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Speaker 12: may be other factors. But that's about as much as
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Speaker 12: we've been able to get at this point.
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Speaker 2: These official repping trips are signed up by the PM's office,
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Speaker 2: briefs come up, and particularly on a contentious trip like this,
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Speaker 2: given all the anti Semitism in Australia, so our Schwitz
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Speaker 2: would have had a red flag, would have gone to
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Speaker 2: the chief of Staff's desk, my old desk, and you
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Speaker 2: would have had a careful look. We should have a
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Speaker 2: careful look in the hist into the history on the
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Speaker 2: record of anyone you're proposing to rep the government. So
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Speaker 2: clearly that didn't happen. Clearly you caught them out. Keep
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Speaker 2: it up, Cam, We're absolutely in the campaign. The point
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Speaker 2: I just made before I crossed into you, blokes. Is
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Speaker 2: the fact that I look very careful, as I'm sure
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Speaker 2: we all do, now where are they going, what are
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Speaker 2: the marginal seats? What are the issues they're raising in
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Speaker 2: particular constituencies. Also, it's almost like it gives me a
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Speaker 2: pole read when I look at their travel and the
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Speaker 2: messaging that they've both got out there. PM's clearly sandbagging, right,
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Speaker 2: He's running a very very defensive campaign. The fact that
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Speaker 2: the opposit leaders looking at green seats, is in teal
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Speaker 2: seats and is obviously after those labor marginals.
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Speaker 3: That's reflecting the poles, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: Well, Peter, my apologies, it's fascinating.
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Speaker 3: She Cam, I'll hit you first.
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Speaker 2: Cam.
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Speaker 12: Sorry, I will say, Peter, I think you make a
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Speaker 12: very good point there when you talk about the seat
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Speaker 12: by seat breakdown. This is where the election will be won.
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Speaker 12: It's going to be seat by seat. I think when
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Speaker 12: we get those broad national looks, whether it's you know
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Speaker 12: you're forty two or fifty two, forty eight or similar,
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Speaker 12: those sort of national polls, that tells you something. But
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Speaker 12: you make a really good point when it comes to
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Speaker 12: those TiAl seats, and I think this is so critical.
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Speaker 12: I know we've spoken about this before. That is really
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Speaker 12: crucial breaking some of those teal seats and getting them
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Speaker 12: to come back to the coalition. Some within the Coalition
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Speaker 12: I speak to are becoming more and more serious by
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Speaker 12: the week that they can win some of those TiAl
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Speaker 12: seats back, and I mean multiple. I want to give
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Speaker 12: you one example of Wentworth now. Six to nine months ago,
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Speaker 12: some in the Coalition were pretty much writing this off,
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Speaker 12: thinking Allegro Spender is almost a certainty for two terms.
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Speaker 12: But given the situation in that seat when it comes
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Speaker 12: to anti Semitic attacks, the fact that the Coalition is
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Speaker 12: now proposing these tougher laws, this zero tolerance approach to
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Speaker 12: anti semitism, talking about improving relations with Israel, some that
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Speaker 12: I speak to in the coalition believe that is now
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Speaker 12: very much a winnable seat, when in the past they
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Speaker 12: were almost saying this one's probably going to Allegra Spender.
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Speaker 12: So I think you're on the money there, Peter. And
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Speaker 12: that's one example where the path is beginning to open
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Speaker 12: up for Peter Dutton to win government at the next election,
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Speaker 12: provided he.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't tailor his message to appeal to green left TiAl
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Speaker 2: types and then miss the opportunity in the key marginals
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Speaker 2: that will actually, in terms of volume numbers, decide whether
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Speaker 2: it's in government or opposition. What's interesting, Patrick, is a
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Speaker 2: key pitch i Donald Trump in the US election was
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Speaker 2: to say, the voters, put aside everything else, ask yourself,
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Speaker 2: are you better off after four years of a Biden presidency?
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Speaker 2: And very clearly they were not, and they voted accordingly.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty much the pitch here for Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 2: Poles are showing, aren't they Australian voters fear it's not
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Speaker 2: good now, it doesn't look better ahead, and that's a
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Speaker 2: killer if you're the incumbent.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely looked. Bill Clinton got it right back in nineteen
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Speaker 7: ninety two. I think his catchphrase was it's the economy stupid.
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Speaker 7: And you've seen Peter Dutton over the last few weeks.
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Speaker 7: He has a catchphrase and basically amounts to do you
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Speaker 7: feel better off than three years ago?
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Speaker 5: Now? Plainly for most Australians the answer is no, and
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Speaker 5: he's just going to push it. He wants it to
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Speaker 5: be about the economy.
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Speaker 7: It has been a hard time, cost of living, people,
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Speaker 7: as they surveys show, are feeling bleak about the future.
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Speaker 7: I think the one sort of wildcard fact there might
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Speaker 7: be the Reserve Bank. If it brings down a rate
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Speaker 7: cut in February or March, that might have a bearing
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Speaker 7: on the alban Ezy government spin, which is sort of Look,
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Speaker 7: it has been hard, but we said it was getting better.
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Speaker 5: Look, just got an interest rate cut. But look for that.
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Speaker 7: And I think it's very simple. It's all about the economy.
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Speaker 7: It's all about the hip pocket. And he's been pushing
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Speaker 7: that very hard for the last few weeks, and we'll
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Speaker 7: keep hearing it again and again.
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Speaker 2: Let's got something else that come out to the US
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Speaker 2: this week, and it's kicked into our politics. This is
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's decision to recognize only to genders in the
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Speaker 2: United States. Now there's been called here from some coalition
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Speaker 2: MPs for Australia to follow suit. There is a difference
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Speaker 2: between gender and sex. Trump refers to gender biology makes
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Speaker 2: it clear they're only two sexes.
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Speaker 3: But the left have.
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Speaker 2: Created this construct of multiple genders. Now Trump took aim
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Speaker 2: at that. He took aim at gender. Today we had
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Speaker 2: two labor politicians, Victorian Premier and the Federal Minister Catherine King,
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Speaker 2: were asked for their views on this issue.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: How many genders do you think governments should recognize?
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Speaker 8: Really, I'll say this in a broad sense, we are
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Speaker 8: seeing too much US style division coming to our country.
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Speaker 11: I think everyone has had enough of division, enough of
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Speaker 11: people feeding and trying to engender hatred, whether it be
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Speaker 11: anti Semitism or on issues around gender equality.
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Speaker 2: Cam I have to say it's the left that created
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Speaker 2: the division here in the first place.
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Speaker 3: Is this going to be a campaign issue? Do you
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Speaker 3: think is it going to play out in Australia.
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Speaker 12: I think it will only become a bigger campaign issue, Peter,
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Speaker 12: if the leaders want to make it one. We saw
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Speaker 12: David Little Proud kick this on a little bit on
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Speaker 12: Sky News today, suggesting that the Coalition should be leaning
21:05
Speaker 12: into this debate, particularly when it comes to the areas,
21:07
Speaker 12: for example, of transgender athletes in sport. That's one area
21:11
Speaker 12: that he wants to lean into the debate. Peter Dutton
21:14
Speaker 12: was less keen to do that today. He said they're
21:15
Speaker 12: not changing their position on that at the moment. You
21:18
Speaker 12: can see Labor doesn't really want to have this debate
21:20
Speaker 12: as well. So whether it will become that big of
21:23
Speaker 12: an issue I think remains to be seen. I don't
21:26
Speaker 12: think it would be surpassing something like the cost of living,
21:29
Speaker 12: for example, but whether it's a factor for people, I
21:32
Speaker 12: think it will only become one if the leaders really
21:34
Speaker 12: want to make it one, and at this stage they
21:36
Speaker 12: don't seem to.
21:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bitterda was asked about gender, but as I said,
21:42
Speaker 2: there's a difference between sex and gender. I think sex
21:44
Speaker 2: is the criteria for sport, and I think Patrick I'd
21:48
Speaker 2: be pretty surprised if Peter Dutton didn't weigh in on
21:52
Speaker 2: the issue of women's sport, on women's change rooms, on
21:56
Speaker 2: little girls being able to go into a toilet and
21:58
Speaker 2: expect only women and girls to be in that public toilet.
22:02
Speaker 2: I think is squarely an election issue for a lot
22:07
Speaker 2: of people.
22:09
Speaker 7: I look at it makes people very passionate, very quickly,
22:12
Speaker 7: doesn't it, Peter, even though it's only I think it's
22:14
Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty two thousand gender fluid people in Australia.
22:19
Speaker 7: But I think, look, it sort of reached a nonsensical
22:21
Speaker 7: level for me back at the Paris Olympics where you
22:23
Speaker 7: have all these poor women boxes being absolutely clobbered. I
22:28
Speaker 7: think it was at the Algerian boxer who had been
22:31
Speaker 7: a man or or was transitioning and it was like,
22:34
Speaker 7: this is actually dangerous. This is an issue with safety
22:37
Speaker 7: and I think the Nationals were talking about this today. Look,
22:41
Speaker 7: it does get people fired up very quickly. I think
22:43
Speaker 7: Peter Dutton would like to just talk about economics. It's
22:47
Speaker 7: a nice clan, easy simple run for him to make
22:51
Speaker 7: going into an election. But it'll be interesting to see
22:54
Speaker 7: how it plays. You know, I agree to the cam.
22:56
Speaker 7: It doesn't look like either leader really wants to make
22:58
Speaker 7: a big issue of it, right.
23:02
Speaker 2: I think you'll have to. I think I have to
23:03
Speaker 2: deal with it. I think it's common sense that people
23:05
Speaker 2: want a response from the leader on an issue like this.
23:08
Speaker 3: Hey, we just talked.
23:09
Speaker 2: About some polling camp. There's a whole lot of difficult
23:12
Speaker 2: data for the government. They're absolutely behind in their target
23:16
Speaker 2: to build one point two million homes by twenty twenty nine.
23:19
Speaker 2: That's out today also reported school students showed up for
23:23
Speaker 2: just eighty two percent of the school days, so attendance
23:26
Speaker 2: numbers are down considerably down. And finally, we have slipped
23:30
Speaker 2: as a country down seven places to thirty seven in
23:34
Speaker 2: global rankings for internet quality despite all the NBN billions, So.
23:40
Speaker 3: It's not just the polls.
23:42
Speaker 2: The statistics are not following the government's way either, are they.
23:47
Speaker 12: No, they're not, Peter, and clearly, particularly on that housing issue.
23:51
Speaker 12: Clearly the industry experts I speak to people within the
23:54
Speaker 12: building construction sector say that there is not a lot
23:57
Speaker 12: of optimism at all that these targets are going to
23:59
Speaker 12: be met. It all boils down to a numbers game.
24:01
Speaker 12: We just need more people building homes more quickly. There
24:04
Speaker 12: are productivity factors in that. So we'll see what the
24:07
Speaker 12: government decides to do between now and the election. If
24:09
Speaker 12: there's an attempt to get that back on track. The
24:12
Speaker 12: figures are going to be difficult, and I've described these
24:14
Speaker 12: first few months previously. I think on the program Peter
24:17
Speaker 12: as the premiership quarter really for the government. We're going
24:19
Speaker 12: to get more inflation data by the end of the month.
24:22
Speaker 12: That's the big quarterly figure. We're also going to get
24:25
Speaker 12: a shot at a rate cut next month. It's still
24:27
Speaker 12: a toss of a coin as to whether or not
24:29
Speaker 12: that happens. Patrick mentioned earlier that if it does well,
24:32
Speaker 12: that's great for people. The government will feel a bit boyd.
24:35
Speaker 12: If it doesn't, then there's going to be another opportunity
24:37
Speaker 12: in April, and all of this of course ties back
24:39
Speaker 12: to election timing. That's why I'm confident that they're still
24:43
Speaker 12: going to try and give themselves room the government for
24:45
Speaker 12: a second rate cut or some kind of movement in
24:47
Speaker 12: April too. But you're right, Peter, they do need a
24:49
Speaker 12: little bit of good news to go their way in
24:51
Speaker 12: these next couple of months, and a lot really will
24:54
Speaker 12: hinge on those interest rate decisions.
24:58
Speaker 2: All right, I'll get into Australia day after the break
25:01
Speaker 2: with Sam Groth, who will joined me to talk about
25:03
Speaker 2: their protests in Melbourne. But just let's go to Queenslane
25:06
Speaker 2: quickly if I can. Patrick the Gold Coast City Council
25:10
Speaker 2: forced into a humiliating backflip today reports surface that they
25:14
Speaker 2: were going to be handing out double sided flags. This
25:17
Speaker 2: is flags at citizenship ceremonies of the next couple of days.
25:20
Speaker 2: The flag would have an Aboriginal flag on one side
25:24
Speaker 2: and our Australian national flag on the other. Apparently the
25:28
Speaker 2: mayor didn't know anything about this. He didn't approve it,
25:30
Speaker 2: he says, nor would anyone who's been elected onto council.
25:36
Speaker 2: Well they've been ditched.
25:37
Speaker 3: What do you think?
25:40
Speaker 5: This is? So dumb? It's funny.
25:42
Speaker 7: I mean, the idea that the national flag and the
25:44
Speaker 7: indigenous flag could somehow be interchangeable is ludicrous and it
25:49
Speaker 7: was interesting to see the councilor is running away from
25:51
Speaker 7: it at a million miles an hour Today's and we
25:53
Speaker 7: didn't know about it, which is sort of understandable.
25:56
Speaker 5: This is crazy, this is activism gone mad.
25:59
Speaker 7: It has cut, but it's just weird that was actually
26:02
Speaker 7: allowed to happen the way that it did.
26:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think this is the fight back continues, Patrick,
26:09
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Cam thanks for doing all the
26:11
Speaker 2: work on the packages and fronting the show as well
26:14
Speaker 2: or after break, Melbourne braces for massive protests. As I said,
26:17
Speaker 2: Anti Australia Day ones teaming up with the pro Palestinian mobs.
26:21
Speaker 2: This is all for Sunday as we have the men's
26:23
Speaker 2: final of the Australian Open, plus a Prime minister won't
26:26
Speaker 2: give any details about foreign actors potentially involved in these
26:30
Speaker 2: anti Semitic attacks, So I've got someone now to talk
26:33
Speaker 2: to formally from the AFP welcome back is still to come.
26:42
Speaker 2: Just how concerned should we be about the revelation of
26:45
Speaker 2: foreign actors and their possible involvement in anti Semitic attacks
26:50
Speaker 2: and what if anything our government is doing about it.
26:53
Speaker 2: But versus if Melbourne hasn't seen enough protests already, pro
26:57
Speaker 2: Palestinian March is now a weekly a cut despite the ceasefire,
27:02
Speaker 2: we're now told we've got a brace for more massive
27:04
Speaker 2: anti Australia Day marches on Sunday and the Australian opens
27:09
Speaker 2: Men's final singles. It's expected the protest could be some
27:13
Speaker 2: thirty thousand strong, clogging up Melbourne and sending a terrible
27:17
Speaker 2: message to the world who's watching the Grand Slam event.
27:21
Speaker 2: For more on this, I'm joined by a former tennis champion.
27:24
Speaker 2: This is timely, isn't it, Victorian Deputy Liberal Leader and
27:27
Speaker 2: of course Shadow Minister for Sport and Tourism, Sam Groth.
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Speaker 3: Sam, thanks for your time.
27:32
Speaker 2: Let's just start with the fact that we now have
27:34
Speaker 2: a convergence of an anti Australia Day protest and then
27:38
Speaker 2: the regular pro Palestinian mob. How concerning is this in
27:43
Speaker 2: terms of things potentially turning hostile?
27:47
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, thank you for having me on and I'm
27:50
Speaker 13: a big support of Australia, as.
27:51
Speaker 5: You will are well aware.
27:53
Speaker 13: But I think what we're seeing right now in Melbourne
27:55
Speaker 13: and what we're hearing is going to happen on Sunday
27:57
Speaker 13: is a great concern. Don't want to see Melbourne, Victoria.
28:02
Speaker 13: What is a great city in a great state overtaken
28:04
Speaker 13: by people who, let's put a buntly, are activists in
28:07
Speaker 13: these spaces. We want to make sure that Melbourne is
28:10
Speaker 13: a city and on any given day, but especially on
28:13
Speaker 13: a day that has our National Day, where as you've
28:15
Speaker 13: already mentioned tonight, the majority of Australians want to be
28:18
Speaker 13: able to celebrate Australia Day. We want to see people
28:21
Speaker 13: be able to come into Melbourne to whether it's shopping,
28:23
Speaker 13: whether it's going for lunch with their family. I mean,
28:25
Speaker 13: what are our hospitality venues going to have to do?
28:28
Speaker 13: And we want to see Melbourne as a safe place.
28:30
Speaker 13: And we also want to make sure while the eyes
28:32
Speaker 13: of the world are on Melbourne Park that that event
28:35
Speaker 13: can continue to go ahead. It's such an important event
28:37
Speaker 13: in our major sporting calendar. We don't want to see
28:39
Speaker 13: it overtaken by protesters.
28:43
Speaker 2: The Premier was pushed on this today after revelations that
28:46
Speaker 2: the first People's Assembly in Victoria they're encouraging these anti
28:51
Speaker 2: Australia Day protests.
28:52
Speaker 3: Have a listen. Look, the First.
28:55
Speaker 8: People's Assembly are an independent they're an independent body, and
29:01
Speaker 8: they are an elected body, and they're independent of government
29:05
Speaker 8: and how they choose to conduct themselves is a matter
29:09
Speaker 8: for them.
29:11
Speaker 2: Well, they might be independent, but she funds them, taxpayers
29:15
Speaker 2: fund them, and she's sitting on the fence here, Sam,
29:18
Speaker 2: that's not good enough.
29:20
Speaker 5: No, it's certainly not.
29:21
Speaker 13: You're right, they are funded by government.
29:23
Speaker 1: So just send to Alan. She should be stepping in.
29:25
Speaker 13: We don't want a government funded body out there in
29:29
Speaker 13: citing what should be a peaceful day and a day.
29:32
Speaker 1: Of celebration for Australians.
29:33
Speaker 13: Yes, Australia means different things to different people, but we
29:36
Speaker 13: don't want to make it not a safe place in
29:39
Speaker 13: our city for those that do want to celebrate, and
29:41
Speaker 13: as we know that is the majority of Victorians and
29:43
Speaker 13: the majority of Autraians want to be able to celebrate.
29:46
Speaker 1: And just into Alan.
29:47
Speaker 13: She can say they're independent all they want, but whilst
29:50
Speaker 13: ever they are receiving that government funding, they should be
29:53
Speaker 13: held accountable for their actions.
29:57
Speaker 2: Do we need some sort of permit system protests like
30:01
Speaker 2: they have in New South Wales?
30:04
Speaker 13: Peter, We can go down the permit system conversation. But
30:08
Speaker 13: I think what we really need to see is just
30:10
Speaker 13: into Alan showing some strong leadership and giving the correct
30:13
Speaker 13: powers back to our police and actually taking action that
30:16
Speaker 13: she has available to her. The police need their move
30:19
Speaker 13: on laws reinstated so they have the power that when
30:22
Speaker 13: protests like these take over our city, if they turn
30:26
Speaker 13: violent or they're not acceptable, that the police can move
30:28
Speaker 13: these people on. Yes, we can have the conversation about
30:31
Speaker 13: permits in the future, but right now, just into Alan
30:34
Speaker 13: put the move on laws back in place so that
30:37
Speaker 13: police can do their job and that all of Victoria,
30:40
Speaker 13: all Victorians and all the strains can enjoy our national Day.
30:46
Speaker 2: Look, I can't imagine the US Open, say, falling on
30:50
Speaker 2: the fourth of July and Flushing Meadows say put away
30:54
Speaker 2: your flags. You don't let us show the stars and stripes.
30:57
Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with an American celebrate. It's
31:00
Speaker 2: just all about the tennis. Here we are on Australia
31:03
Speaker 2: Day on Sunday, it's the men's final, it's the last.
31:06
Speaker 3: Day of the Aussie Open. You'll put a lot of.
31:09
Speaker 2: Pressure on Craig Tilie and Tennis Australia to have a
31:11
Speaker 2: fair income Australia Day ceremony on the day, how are
31:16
Speaker 2: you going.
31:19
Speaker 1: I've been very vocal about this.
31:20
Speaker 13: I know the Australian Open as well as anybody, and
31:22
Speaker 13: I've also had the chance to play in the US
31:25
Speaker 13: and they don't just do it at the US Open
31:27
Speaker 13: every single or on the fourth of July, every single
31:29
Speaker 13: sporting event.
31:30
Speaker 3: They have there.
31:30
Speaker 13: They sing the national anthem, they have the flag and
31:32
Speaker 13: they're proud. I want to see Australians get back to that.
31:35
Speaker 5: I've had a.
31:35
Speaker 1: Conversation with Craig Tiley about this.
31:37
Speaker 13: I want to see the Australian Open celebrate australiaday pop properly,
31:40
Speaker 13: but can also encourage all those Australians, all those people
31:43
Speaker 13: that are going to the Australian Open, and celebrate this
31:45
Speaker 13: day in your own way. You go out there and
31:48
Speaker 13: actually be proud, celebrate what makes Australia great, but also
31:52
Speaker 13: understand the world is watching us. The Australian Open Final
31:55
Speaker 13: on Australia is a chance for us to show the
31:57
Speaker 13: world exactly how proud we are of our country, of
32:00
Speaker 13: our history, of everything that makes it so special. For
32:02
Speaker 13: those people that were born here, for those people that
32:05
Speaker 13: have made Australia at.
32:06
Speaker 3: Home who've come from elsewhere.
32:08
Speaker 13: All of these people want to be able to celebrate Australia,
32:11
Speaker 13: and I courage everybody who's attending or not intending, to
32:14
Speaker 13: do everything they can to just show how proud we
32:15
Speaker 13: are to all be Australian.
32:19
Speaker 2: Beautifully, said Sam. Great, great words from you tonight. I
32:22
Speaker 2: think everyone's going to take heart from that. Lovely to
32:24
Speaker 2: see a politician speak so frankly about our country. Thanks Sam,
32:28
Speaker 2: all right. I might add too, I was in Col's today.
32:30
Speaker 2: I took a picture and I haven't given it to
32:32
Speaker 2: my team to put up an air but plenty of merchandise,
32:34
Speaker 2: there are plenty of Australian flags. They're not dodging the issue.
32:37
Speaker 2: There's not just the yellow and the gold stuff. There
32:40
Speaker 2: plenty of Aussie flags there you go. I want to
32:44
Speaker 2: return it now to the revelations we heard them yesterday
32:48
Speaker 2: that the AFP are currently investigating whether foreign actors have
32:51
Speaker 2: actually used criminals for hire to carry out some of
32:55
Speaker 2: the recent terror attacks we've seen on the Jewish community.
32:58
Speaker 2: Just overnight, the Australian new newspapers reported that two city
33:01
Speaker 2: men have been charged by New South Wales Police Force
33:04
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism Task Force and they were seemingly hired by
33:09
Speaker 2: an unknown nefarious criminal referred to as James Bond to
33:13
Speaker 2: carry out the fire bombing of a Bondai brewery. There
33:16
Speaker 2: was actually the target here, a Jewish deli of a
33:20
Speaker 2: similar name. The PM wouldn't comment on any of this.
33:24
Speaker 2: Joining me now is someone who might be able to
33:25
Speaker 2: give us some clarity. Former AFP Detective Superintendent Doctor David Craig. David,
33:31
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. A lot of us were
33:34
Speaker 2: really concerned when we heard about the potential involvement of
33:39
Speaker 2: overseas money and foreign actors, criminals, possibly nationed states. We're
33:45
Speaker 2: not getting told a lot of information here. How real
33:51
Speaker 2: do you think this possibility is?
33:53
Speaker 1: Look, I've got no doubt, Peter, and look before I
33:56
Speaker 1: go start, thank you for inviting me on. What I
33:59
Speaker 1: would like to say here is that foreign influence on
34:04
Speaker 1: crime and Australia is widespread. It's through the Internet, it's
34:08
Speaker 1: happening all the time. When we start using nonclamat are
34:10
Speaker 1: like foreign actors, that brings in a notion of foreign
34:14
Speaker 1: states or deliberate orchestration of criminal groups. I don't believe
34:19
Speaker 1: that that's happening on a wide scale. I think that
34:22
Speaker 1: what we are seeing here is predominantly and I mean
34:25
Speaker 1: predominantly homegrown terrorism and acts of anti semitism here in Australia.
34:31
Speaker 1: There may be some sponsorship from overseas, and I would
34:34
Speaker 1: call them influencers that use the influence, that use the
34:37
Speaker 1: influence of the Internet to radicalize people.
34:42
Speaker 2: Okay, if that's where we are, and I think it's
34:45
Speaker 2: probably pretty heartening to hear that. Why can't we get
34:47
Speaker 2: that sort of clarity from our leaders or the AFP.
34:51
Speaker 1: Look, I think I'm really surprised that this came out.
34:55
Speaker 1: I expect Rhese Kersh or the AFP Commissioner is quite
34:58
Speaker 1: an intelligent person. He wouldn't that this is a valuable
35:02
Speaker 1: line of inquiry, but it won't be the main thrust
35:05
Speaker 1: of what they're doing for anti terror's anti semitism here
35:08
Speaker 1: in Australia.
35:12
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't they be now that they've put that
35:15
Speaker 2: out there, Why aren't they being I guess a little
35:19
Speaker 2: bit more forthcoming with information given if you are a
35:23
Speaker 2: Jewish Australian, you can see these attacks ramping up, and
35:27
Speaker 2: if the concern is that you've got a player like
35:30
Speaker 2: you run behind it, and that's certainly been speculated. You'd
35:34
Speaker 2: be increasingly worried that their terror hit squad's hitting the
35:36
Speaker 2: streets of Sydney. If that's not likely to be the case,
35:40
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be sensible for someone in Canberra just to
35:43
Speaker 2: lower the tone one hundred percent?
35:47
Speaker 5: Right?
35:47
Speaker 1: I mean, through the Five Eyes partners, our ASA overseas
35:51
Speaker 1: and AZO in Australia, we've got a very good picture
35:54
Speaker 1: of what is going on and if this is state
35:56
Speaker 1: sponsored attacks of anti Semitism in AUSTRAI, which I'll be
36:01
Speaker 1: very surprised. But when that line of inquiry fizzles out,
36:05
Speaker 1: they need to announce that it has been The line
36:08
Speaker 1: is no longer a strong lead for the AFP to
36:11
Speaker 1: poo pursuing that it's been discounted at the moment they're
36:15
Speaker 1: saying that there's intelligence, while there's intelligence on everything and
36:19
Speaker 1: evidence is hard to get. But if there is a
36:22
Speaker 1: foreign actor state then people need to know about that.
36:27
Speaker 1: But if they're not, they equally need to know about that.
36:30
Speaker 1: It's just raising fear in the public, in the public's
36:34
Speaker 1: mind that there are Iranian or Russian or Chinese hit
36:37
Speaker 1: squads going around Australia trying to promote anti Semitism and
36:41
Speaker 1: everyone's jumping on board. I think we need a little
36:44
Speaker 1: bit of context and clarity from the Prime Minister or
36:48
Speaker 1: from reskershor as far as where that we are with
36:51
Speaker 1: this investigation.
36:54
Speaker 2: I've been critical, David, sorry, all the way through. I
36:59
Speaker 2: guess since the events on the steps of the Opera
37:02
Speaker 2: House in Sydney that government from outside looking in and
37:06
Speaker 2: I know what happens on the inside, I'm not seeing
37:09
Speaker 2: the apparatus of the National Security Committee of Cabinet being
37:13
Speaker 2: used and deployed. I was critical that the AFP and
37:16
Speaker 2: ASIO were not around the table anymore. That's since been reinstated,
37:20
Speaker 2: that the National Cabinet hasn't been called. These are all
37:23
Speaker 2: the things that I would like to see as someone
37:26
Speaker 2: who knows how it works, to give me confidence that
37:30
Speaker 2: the machine is working as it should in a totality.
37:33
Speaker 2: You've got obviously an insight into the AFP. There's been
37:36
Speaker 2: criticism that we haven't done enough quickly enough, and that
37:39
Speaker 2: could be the fault of the politicians, it could be
37:41
Speaker 2: the fault of our institutions.
37:44
Speaker 3: What's your comment there, well.
37:47
Speaker 1: Peter, My comment is that these attacks occurred on seventh
37:51
Speaker 1: of October twenty three. Operation Abolite, which is the AFP
37:58
Speaker 1: response to anti Semitism, wasn't launched until the ninth of
38:02
Speaker 1: December twenty twenty four, so that's just last month. In
38:06
Speaker 1: the twelve months since there's attacks in Israel, there has
38:10
Speaker 1: been a three hundred and sixteen percent increase in anti
38:13
Speaker 1: Semitic incidents occurring in Australia. Now this is a published report.
38:17
Speaker 1: Now the AFP must be aware of this. ASIO would
38:20
Speaker 1: certainly be aware of it. I would like to have
38:23
Speaker 1: seen why wasn't this task force that has suddenly been
38:26
Speaker 1: jumped up and a big knee jerk reaction has been initiated.
38:29
Speaker 1: Why wasn't this done back in line when the state
38:32
Speaker 1: police were looking at it. This is national sorry, Anti
38:36
Speaker 1: Semitism is a national crime problem and it needs a
38:39
Speaker 1: national crime solution and that can be done best through
38:41
Speaker 1: the Joint Canacterrorism Teams that are a combination of ASIO,
38:46
Speaker 1: Australian Federal Police and state or territory police in every
38:49
Speaker 1: capital city. They are well briefed, they already have a
38:52
Speaker 1: database that they are sharing information on. That's the appropriate
38:56
Speaker 1: body to be doing this. Why the AFP didn't look
39:00
Speaker 1: launched this task force for fourteen months after the attacks.
39:04
Speaker 1: I think there's some questions that Senate estimates coming.
39:09
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right about that, Doctor David Craig,
39:11
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Now go an AFP expert speaking
39:14
Speaker 2: about what he's observing.
39:15
Speaker 3: As I do from the outside, it.
39:17
Speaker 2: Looks like it's missing right after the break, the push
39:19
Speaker 2: to read to find Islamophobia. Now I fear this is
39:22
Speaker 2: going to be used to try and shut down.
39:25
Speaker 3: Discussion about Islamistic terror.
39:27
Speaker 2: Of Plus, you won't believe the number of illegal migrants
39:30
Speaker 2: living in London. It's a shaker. I'll discuss that after
39:33
Speaker 2: the break. Welcome back still to come? What next for
39:39
Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine? President Trump today turning the screws
39:43
Speaker 2: on at Putin. But first, a shocking your report from
39:46
Speaker 2: Edge Analytics has claimed as many as one in twelve
39:49
Speaker 2: people living in London are there illegally. Researchers used academic
39:54
Speaker 2: estimates about the number of illegal migrants crossing the channel
39:57
Speaker 2: into Britain, as well as the number of ne national
40:00
Speaker 2: insurance registrations for non EU foreign nationals over nine years
40:04
Speaker 2: to reach these figures. John have been out to discuss
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Speaker 2: this in Law News Course UK Correspondent. So for Elsworth, well,
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Speaker 2: so if this is an extraordinary claim, how accurate do
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Speaker 2: you think it is?
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Speaker 3: Well, Peter, it is extraordinary.
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Speaker 14: The claim is that there's six hundred illegal sorry, six
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Speaker 14: hundred thousand illegal immigrants in London and one million.
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Speaker 3: In the UK.
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Speaker 14: This is incredibly alarming, but it is difficult to know
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Speaker 14: how accurate it is. It is because the Home Office,
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Speaker 14: quite surprisingly doesn't publish estimations on how many illegal immigrants
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Speaker 14: there are in the UK. But I can assure you, Peter,
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Speaker 14: in the UK one of the hot topics, and it
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Speaker 14: seems to be in.
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Speaker 3: The media day in day out.
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Speaker 14: In fact, I would argue it's probably the hottest issue
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Speaker 14: in the UK always comes back to migration. This is
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Speaker 14: a massive concern for the country because of the pressures
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Speaker 14: it's putting on things such as schools, are the NHS roads,
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Speaker 14: the impacts of all these illegal immigrants in the country.
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Speaker 14: This is one of the issues that very many Brits
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Speaker 14: are very concerned about.
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Speaker 2: I suspect when I dig into to material that I'm
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Speaker 2: reading out of the UK and I watch a fee
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Speaker 2: a bit of UK TV, this has got to be
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Speaker 2: contributing to the rise of Nigel Reforms, the UK Party,
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Speaker 2: the Niger Reform Niger.
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Speaker 3: Faraja's Reform Party.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're following my trainer thought there, because it's
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Speaker 2: not just a slight uptick. I mean he has had
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Speaker 2: a consistent climb. There's a recent new gov poll that's
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Speaker 2: got the party well ahead of the Conservatives, only one
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Speaker 2: point behind Labor.
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Speaker 3: This is a first term Labor governor.
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Speaker 2: I mean they do a bad job, but nonetheless they
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Speaker 2: got it on a massive landslide vote. So how real
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Speaker 2: do you think, you know, Farages lift, Yes.
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Speaker 14: It's very real, Peter, because you have a government that,
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Speaker 14: as you said, has not been in very long.
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Speaker 3: They're hugely unpopular.
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Speaker 14: They never really had the honeymoon period the governments hope
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Speaker 14: to have when they come into office, particularly after the
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Speaker 14: Conservatives were in power for fourteen years. You also have
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Speaker 14: an unpopular opposition and many people critical of Kemmy Badenoch.
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Speaker 14: So people are looking for other alternatives and Nigel Farage
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Speaker 14: he's the one who's making the headlines here. The thing
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Speaker 14: that may work against him is his close ties to
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Speaker 14: Elon Musk. There is concern in Britain that Elon Musk
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Speaker 14: is getting too involved in politics in the UK, So
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Speaker 14: it'll be interesting to see whether or not this plays
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Speaker 14: out against Nigel Farrage because obviously they've had that relationship
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Speaker 14: where Musk said.
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Speaker 7: He would back Reform UK.
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Speaker 14: Then he came out and said Nigel Farras should basically go,
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Speaker 14: he should stand down. So it's a pretty rocky relationship there.
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Speaker 14: But Reform had a huge amount of votes, had forty
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Speaker 14: percent of the vote's last general election, and they're on
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Speaker 14: the way up.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go quickly to the attempts in the Commons
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Speaker 2: to redefine and introduce a legal definition of is Lamophobia
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Speaker 2: here at home. The federal governments Islamophobia or special envoy
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Speaker 2: I think it is to the Islamic community has warned
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Speaker 2: that Australians must not ignore Islamophobia. He says because we
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Speaker 2: quote haven't seen mosques torched or cars vandalized. Is even
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Speaker 2: accused a coalition of downplaying is Lamophobia. Now I have
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Speaker 2: to say, under the government here, there's been no action
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Speaker 2: against tape preachers. There's been no visas canceled for anyone
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Speaker 2: out here preaching hate.
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Speaker 3: In mosques that I've seen. What's your update on this?
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Speaker 2: Definition, because I suspect if it passes the Parliament in
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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom it'll start in a legitimate debate down
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Speaker 2: here with labor.
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Speaker 14: We often follow the UK, don't repeat us. So absolutely
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Speaker 14: we don't know yet if that will happen. But the
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Speaker 14: Opposition leader Kenny Badenocher's raised concerns that this could shut
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Speaker 14: down free speech, particularly with the Grooming gang scandal where
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Speaker 14: a lot of the people involved in this lot of
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Speaker 14: the culprits were British Pakistanis, and they're concerned it will
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Speaker 14: cut down free speech. People will be too scared to
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Speaker 14: speak out and label people for whichever groups they belong to,
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Speaker 14: and then they will be targeted consequently for labeling these groups.
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Speaker 14: So this is a very serious issue and one that
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Speaker 14: we will watch very closely here.
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Sophie, thanks for your time. I
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Speaker 2: quick breakout of the rag. We'll getting to the shock
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Speaker 2: and awe Trump presidency. Three days in no sign anything
44:53
Speaker 2: much to slowing down troops amassing on the Mexican border.
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Speaker 2: Thus more common sense for the Canadian Conservative leader Pierre Poliev,
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Speaker 2: the master shutting down interviewers.
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Speaker 3: It's fantastic. I'll show you that soon welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, I told you, senior Republicans said to me, watch out, Peter,
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Speaker 2: It's going to be shock and awe. From day one
45:16
Speaker 2: certainly has been a flurry of orders literally the first
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Speaker 2: day on the job, from President Trump calling for an
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Speaker 2: end to the war in Ukraine, sparking debates about gender,
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Speaker 2: getting all the public servants back at the desk at work,
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Speaker 2: exciting times, joining me how to discuss this at a
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Speaker 2: whole lot more. Scotty's contributed. Kosha Garda, past chair of
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Speaker 2: the Parliament's Foreign, Afairs and Defense Committee. Michael Danby, Well,
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Speaker 2: you know we talked about Chokuna on a breakneck.
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Speaker 3: Speed he has delivered. Did you think it would be like.
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Speaker 15: This on some level because people are expecting that, But
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Speaker 15: I think this probably surpasses most people's expectations. What it
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Speaker 15: actually looks like. Two hundred and forty one executive actions
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Speaker 15: on d one and twenty four hours, three speeches, all
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Speaker 15: sorts of things, and a lot of action. He's really
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Speaker 15: pushing the it's a presidential power in taking more of
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Speaker 15: an offense type of strategy compared to what he did
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Speaker 15: last time. And I think the reason is is he
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Speaker 15: is in a changed mindset, just given what he's been
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Speaker 15: through over the last four years personally with the attack,
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Speaker 15: legally and every other which way, assassinations and all of that,
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Speaker 15: plus just what's happened to the country in the last
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Speaker 15: four years. It really is a crisis in many ways economically, immigration,
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Speaker 15: et cetera.
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Speaker 3: So he's off and away and.
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Speaker 2: I've cost unfettered access for the media. I mean that
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Speaker 2: is a game changer from where we've been with a
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Speaker 2: very protected, sleepy, sleepy Joe. What do you make of
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Speaker 2: his comments today in relation to Ukraine and comments he
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Speaker 2: made to President Putin that he wants the war to end.
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Speaker 16: Well, the FSB better be monitoring from social media an
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Speaker 16: agenda to them that is really much more balanced than
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Speaker 16: his earlier comments in my view, And I think Vladimir
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Speaker 16: Putin may be full of war fever, but he better
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Speaker 16: know that Donald Trump is now president of the United States,
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Speaker 16: just like the Chinese should notice that he's serious about Panama.
47:08
Speaker 16: And I'd be very interested to see where the Bike
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Speaker 16: Dance accepts his offer of a fifty percent ownership, because
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Speaker 16: if they don't, I think they might be dumb enough
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Speaker 16: to refuse it.
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Speaker 3: You're talking about TikTok here, Yeah, about.
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Speaker 16: The ownership of TikTok, then I think Donald might be
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Speaker 16: offering them fifty percent, so they refuse it. And in
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Speaker 16: their refusal, TikTok like.
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Speaker 2: Huawei immigration, the border troops already under deployment too.
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Speaker 15: So this obviously was a signature issue for Trump, both
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Speaker 15: in the first term and this time. But he is
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Speaker 15: a term one, Trump on steroids, and this issue is
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Speaker 15: front and center.
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Speaker 3: So it's a few things.
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Speaker 15: The border by declaring it a national emergency in an invasion,
47:46
Speaker 15: that unlocks all sorts of presidential powers and budgets, so
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Speaker 15: he's militarizing the border. It'll be physical delineations like the wall, enforcement,
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Speaker 15: cutting down and shutting down these apps that were allowing
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Speaker 15: assails and refugees to skirt the law and find loopole's
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Speaker 15: all of that's done. And then the third big one
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Speaker 15: that actually was one of his baldest executive orders and
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Speaker 15: hasn't gotten much analysis yet, is this end to birthright
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Speaker 15: citizenship that he's doing by executive order. Immediately, it's been
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Speaker 15: challenged because it's going to go up to the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 15: But this is a two hundred year old statue that
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Speaker 15: scholars have not agreed on whether that actually is correct
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Speaker 15: in the Constitution, and somebody had to raise it to
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Speaker 15: challenge it, and that's been a big firework that he's
48:23
Speaker 15: just laid off.
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Speaker 2: I want to come back about Generine Canada in the moment.
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Speaker 2: But Gaza, we're told that already Hermas despite the ceasefire.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's the cover of the ceasefire. Hermas is back
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Speaker 2: in control and you've got some breaking us.
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Speaker 16: So I agree with Donald Trump that the ceasefire it
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Speaker 16: may not last. The three female hostages have just revealed
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Speaker 16: that they were held in UN headquarters. Goterras must be
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Speaker 16: the worst Secretary General of the UN ever. But I
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Speaker 16: fear that there it's going to increase as psycho trauma,
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Speaker 16: as coffins of babies who've been murdered by the depraved
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Speaker 16: Hamas are released weekend after week as this seven week
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Speaker 16: treaty goes. But the context is Hez Bolar is castrated,
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Speaker 16: Syria pipeline doesn't exist, and Iran has been largely defanged
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Speaker 16: of its air defense. So bad news in Gaza, good
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Speaker 16: news in the rest of the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Okay, just a quick one.
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Speaker 2: I want to play this grab from the Canadian opposition. Later,
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Speaker 2: our guys are set on the fence here about Trump's
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Speaker 2: gender changes, but not so in Canada.
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Speaker 3: Have listened.
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Speaker 17: I'm not aware of any other genders than men and women.
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Speaker 17: I mean, if you have any other that you want
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Speaker 17: me to consider, you're welcome to tell me. Right now,
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Speaker 17: I'm only aware of too, But I mean if you have,
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Speaker 17: if you come up with another list, then you're welcome
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Speaker 17: to do that. But I'm aware of too. And as
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Speaker 17: far as I'm concerned, we should have a government that
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Speaker 17: just minds its own damn business and leaves people alone
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Speaker 17: to make their own personal decisions.
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Speaker 3: Janalis has got nowhere to go.
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Speaker 2: There you go, Astralia, take a lesson from Pierre Polaverv.
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Speaker 3: There we go. All right, that's it for me. See
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Speaker 3: you next week.
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Speaker 2: Have a wonderful weekend, have a wonderful Australia day.
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Speaker 3: He's Andrew Bolt