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FITNESS-MOM MISSY BEVERS BLUDGEONED DEAD IN CREEKSIDE CHURCH · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Exercise mom Missy Beavers stabbed dead with multiple puncture wounds
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Speaker 2: to the head and chest inside the local church. The
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Speaker 2: mom of three arrives around four a m. To teach
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Speaker 2: anaerobics class. Surveillance video actually catches her killer disguised in
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Speaker 2: full swat gear, and after watching the video, police suggest
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Speaker 2: the killer has an injured right foot. An unnamed male
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Speaker 2: colleague has his trash sifted through. But why Cops bring
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Speaker 2: in advance stingray equipment to capture the killer's cell phone data,
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Speaker 2: but still no arrest. Who killed exercise mom? Missy Beaver's
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Speaker 2: good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor. Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.
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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the Greeny surveillance video is still unidentified.
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Speaker 2: Wow, who killed Missy Beavers? After eight years, still no arrest.
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Speaker 5: First of all, listen to this first time surveillance captured
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Speaker 5: the suspect on video was about ten minutes before four am.
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Speaker 5: Miss Beavers arrived at about four sixteen in the parking
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Speaker 5: lot and entered the church immediately a few minutes later
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Speaker 5: she was inside the church, now realizing the intruder was
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Speaker 5: already inside, and shortly thereafter she was murdered inside.
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Speaker 1: Of the church.
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Speaker 2: Who is intent on committing a murder at four o'clock
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Speaker 2: in the morning? Who lay in wait for exercise mom?
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Speaker 2: Missy Beavers?
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Speaker 1: This could not have been random? Joining me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: But first to.
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Speaker 2: Scott Brooks as a publisher for the waksahachisun dot Com. Scott,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us bring us all up today.
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Speaker 2: For those that don't recall the murder on Missy Beavers,
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Speaker 2: what happened.
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Speaker 6: Well, early on a Monday morning corn down rain. Missy
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Speaker 6: was set up as usual to do her routines or
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Speaker 6: her class in a parking lot of a local church
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Speaker 6: on what is usually a busy highway between Waksahachim and
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Speaker 6: lok In, and given that it was raining, she went
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Speaker 6: inside to set up and that's when she was killed.
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Speaker 6: That was on early eighteenth, twenty sixteen. I was sure,
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Speaker 6: as the head of the local media company then that
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Speaker 6: whoever did it would be called within maybe hours or days.
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Speaker 6: But here we are eight years later and still completely unsolved.
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Speaker 6: As far as I'm concerned, it just continues to be
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Speaker 6: a bit of a cluster of a mess in terms
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Speaker 6: of solving this case.
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Speaker 1: That's one way to put it.
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Speaker 2: Over three thousand tips come in on Missy Beaver's murder.
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Speaker 2: She leaves home in the early morning hour, still dark outside,
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Speaker 2: and she sends out a group text telling everybody, Hey,
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Speaker 2: we're still exercising gladiator style this morning, even though it's raining.
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Speaker 1: We're moving our.
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Speaker 2: Class indoors, and she goes in around four point fifteen am.
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Speaker 1: To set up who in the hay is out in
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Speaker 1: the rain.
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Speaker 2: Entering that church waiting for Missy Beaver's Listen.
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Speaker 5: As you probably already know, this case weighs very heavily
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Speaker 5: on us, our investigative team, our department. We know that
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Speaker 5: the community is hurting as well well. Committee to identifying
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Speaker 5: the person A person's responsible for Missy's death.
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Speaker 7: We're not going to rest until we do so.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now In addition to Scott Brooks from the
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Speaker 2: Walks to Houchi's.
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Speaker 1: Son is Renee Jones.
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Speaker 2: Renee is Missy's dear friend and coworker.
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Speaker 1: Renee thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: As the days pass and Missy's case is still unsolved,
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Speaker 2: what goes through your mind?
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Speaker 8: You're constantly trying to figure out who did it? Was
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Speaker 8: the car involved? Are the resources that we have enough?
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Speaker 8: You look at the facts, and although the facts are there,
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Speaker 8: the evidence is not. We know, like you said, we
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Speaker 8: know what times you arrived, We know what time the
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Speaker 8: perpetrator was in the church. But what we don't know
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Speaker 8: is who is this person, how did they arrive, did
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Speaker 8: the ultimate at the Swafa have anything to do with it?
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Speaker 8: And how did they get away without even being seen?
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Speaker 2: So many of the facts were out there in the
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Speaker 2: first months following Missy's murder. For instance, we see the perpetrator, Renee,
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Speaker 2: we know it had to be targeted. Who else would
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Speaker 2: be in the Midlothian church at that time of the day,
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Speaker 2: dressed in this get up, obviously not looking for anything
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Speaker 2: to steal, just wandering around, wandering around until bam, they
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Speaker 2: nearly collide with Missy Beavers and then stab her dead.
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Speaker 2: It's so obvious to me, Renee, and we've looked at
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Speaker 2: all the usual suspects, many of them ruled out.
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Speaker 1: Who is this person? Renee? Do you believe it's a
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Speaker 1: man or a woman.
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Speaker 8: My gut kind of tells me it's a woman, and
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Speaker 8: I tend to rely on that a lot, but at
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Speaker 8: the end of the day, it could be men. You know,
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Speaker 8: it's really tough.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 2: and star of a hit series podcast Bodybags with Joe
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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I have poured over
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Speaker 2: the evidence in this case, and when you look at
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Speaker 2: the perp walking through the hall okay testing he she
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Speaker 2: doesn't even know what they're there for obviously, so they're
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Speaker 2: clearly not coming here to steal anything. I mean, who
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Speaker 2: singles out the creekside with Lothian Church at four o'clock
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Speaker 2: in the morning for Pete's sake. I guarantee you what
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Speaker 2: they're looking for. It's where is Missy Beaver's going to
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Speaker 2: have her indoor class. That's what they're looking for. But
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Speaker 2: the person is slew footed, in other words, without deviation.
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Speaker 2: The right foot goes outward with every step. We know
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Speaker 2: the height, we know the approximate weight, we know that
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Speaker 2: this type of murder is typically committed by a man.
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Speaker 1: We know it's got to be.
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Speaker 2: Somebody within that area or arranged by someone in that area.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what more can be done for Pete's sake?
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Speaker 9: I tell you this, the person that perpetrated this crime
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Speaker 9: had an awareness of that environment so much to the
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Speaker 9: point that they felt the need to cover their face,
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Speaker 9: so they knew that they would be in amongst cameras
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Speaker 9: with video surveillance. And here's another thing for me as
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Speaker 9: a former investigator, the idea of the timing. I don't
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Speaker 9: know about you, you know, but you know the idea
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Speaker 9: of getting up at this time of day lies kind
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Speaker 9: of outside the norm for most people, and that you
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Speaker 9: have to meet up there before she is arriving. So
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Speaker 9: this requires quite a bit of planning. I think that
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Speaker 9: that's rather obvious, and just to get this rig on
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Speaker 9: this person has, however they went about purchasing it. However
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Speaker 9: they went about acquiring it is going to be time
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Speaker 9: consuming as well. Did they do it out in the
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Speaker 9: parking lot? Did they do it at home, in the
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Speaker 9: safety of their home so that they could just hop
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Speaker 9: in the car and go. I think that those are
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Speaker 9: big indicators here, the.
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Speaker 2: Time of the day, even the weather outside suggests this
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Speaker 2: was a targeted murder.
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Speaker 10: Listen, mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not
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Speaker 10: severe enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early
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Speaker 10: morning fitness class, as she posts on Facebook, if it's raining,
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Speaker 10: we're still training. No excuses, you are gladiators, Missy informed students.
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Speaker 10: Because of the rain, they will be training inside the
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Speaker 10: church rather than the parking lot.
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Speaker 2: To Scott Brooks, joining US president, publisher walks out, how
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Speaker 2: she's son, Scott, She was in the peak. She was
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Speaker 2: at the peak of her physical powers. When she says
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Speaker 2: gladiated class, she minute, do you see those biceps on her?
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Speaker 2: My point is she could fight back Scott Brooks.
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Speaker 7: Yes, there's no question about it.
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Speaker 6: Missy was known in our community or her gladiator work.
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Speaker 11: In addition to being a mom and I'm.
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Speaker 9: Just a good person.
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Speaker 6: She was a gladiator, as you just said, and took
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Speaker 6: this stuff really.
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Speaker 1: Serious, Scott Brooks. At the time.
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Speaker 2: Of course, at the time of a homicide, all the
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Speaker 2: dirty laundry comes out. Just because there may have been
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Speaker 2: marital issues does not mean the husband is guilty. As
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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, her husband was, as I recall,
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Speaker 2: on a gambling cruise with a group of his friends,
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Speaker 2: kind of a trip they did every year, which makes
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Speaker 2: me also think the killer knew the husband would be gone.
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Speaker 1: Of course, maybe did he plant? Did he hit?
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Speaker 7: Mean?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, anything's possible, but no evidence that of that has
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Speaker 2: ever emerged, even though investigators have searched. Of course they
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Speaker 2: looked the husband, lover, boyfriend exs always the first suspect.
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Speaker 1: He was not in town or even in state.
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Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts
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Speaker 2: are on the marital problems, because it opens up a
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Speaker 2: whole Pandora's box. If Missy Beavers had a boyfriend, did
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Speaker 2: the boyfriend's wife or girlfriend know?
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many avenues to investigate Scott.
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Speaker 6: The rumors have been from the absurd to the just
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Speaker 6: level of vicious, and I don't know any of those
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Speaker 6: to be true. I believe in what Brandon has shared
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Speaker 6: these years, and most recently two months ago in a
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Speaker 6: two part series interview with me, he continues to reinforce,
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Speaker 6: at least in my mind, that he has nothing to
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Speaker 6: do with Missy's murder, and both he and his father,
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Speaker 6: who was kind of dragged into this as a possible suspect.
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Speaker 6: His father was in San Diego at the time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I recall that with the blood on the sure
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Speaker 2: that was taken to the laundry and it turned out
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Speaker 2: to be shihuahuah blood or something like that, it was
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Speaker 2: not human blood.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're right.
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Speaker 2: The husband was on a fishing trip, a trip he
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Speaker 2: took annually. Which makes me wonder was someone reading Missy
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Speaker 2: Beaver's text to say a boyfriend, an alleged boyfriend, because
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Speaker 2: I don't want to go down the road with dragging
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Speaker 2: her through the mud. But in a murder investigation All's
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Speaker 2: Fair Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, did someone read a
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Speaker 2: text or an email from Missy saying my husband's going
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Speaker 2: to be gone.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious and this is what we know. Back to you, Joe,
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Speaker 1: Scott and Morgan.
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Speaker 2: Hey, let me throw this to Tom Smith joining us,
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Speaker 2: former NYPD detective, co host of gold Shields podcast, and
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Speaker 2: you can find him at the gold Shields Show.
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Speaker 1: This is what we've learned.
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Speaker 2: Now we all know how the FBI can determine a
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Speaker 2: height and wait of purp caught on video. They look
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Speaker 2: at the purp, say standing in a doorway, then they
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Speaker 2: go that doorway, they measure let's just say that fire
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Speaker 2: extinguisher cabinet.
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Speaker 1: To your left.
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Speaker 2: They go there and they measure where the purp the
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Speaker 2: height of that fire extinguisher, and they can determine the
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Speaker 2: height of the purp standing beside it. See what I
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Speaker 2: mean right there. That's just one example. It's fairly easy
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Speaker 2: to do. It takes a minute, but we know the
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Speaker 2: killer is between five to two and five eight. They
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Speaker 2: predominantly walk slough footed with their toes pointed outward. Look,
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Speaker 2: they're not there to steal anything. Watch the gate watch
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Speaker 2: this purp. Man or woman, don't know so, Tom Smith,
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Speaker 2: you've watched this over and over and over.
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Speaker 12: My initial thought was that it was a male. And
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Speaker 12: then the more I looked at it, the more I
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Speaker 12: looked at certain traits that were going on in the video,
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Speaker 12: I am comfortable thinking it's a female because of just
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Speaker 12: the walk. And the one thing that really stood out
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Speaker 12: to me was in one particular part of the video,
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Speaker 12: she uses the hammer to break a window. Now, not
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Speaker 12: that females can wield a hammer like a male, but
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Speaker 12: just the way she hit one of the windows did
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Speaker 12: it for me that it was a female. Just the
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Speaker 12: kind of the way she did it is what triggered
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Speaker 12: it for me.
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Speaker 2: You may like you throw a ball like a girl.
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Speaker 2: Is that when you're trying to say, go ahead and
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Speaker 2: put it out there.
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Speaker 3: I don't care something like.
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Speaker 7: That, you know.
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Speaker 12: And it's nothing against anybody, but just an observation of
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Speaker 12: the way, you know, she hit one of the windows.
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Speaker 11: I got another phone call from the scene from a
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Speaker 11: female mid Lothian officer and she said that Missy's no
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Speaker 11: longer with us and I didn't know.
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Speaker 6: You did register that She meant like Missy had died.
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Speaker 11: It absolutely registered.
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Speaker 4: The suspect was seen wearing police swant tactical gear, including
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Speaker 4: a black helmet and a vest with the word police
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Speaker 4: across the front.
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Speaker 2: And I agree with Tom Smith, former NYPD the whole
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Speaker 2: looking in windows and pulling up cabinets, that was all
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Speaker 2: for show, just waiting for Missy Beavers to walk in.
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Speaker 2: And earlier Scott Brooks interviewing Missy's husband. Again, he was
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Speaker 2: way out of state at the time Missy was murdered.
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Speaker 2: And unless there's some intricate hitman plot that has never
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Speaker 2: been able to be deciphered, he didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: So where does it leave us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody would find it really easy to put it
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Speaker 2: on the husband. Not this time, shocker. It's not always
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Speaker 2: the husband. Now, this is what we know. According to
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Speaker 2: a search warrant there was she released by l E
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Speaker 2: Law Enforcement in mid Lothian.
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Speaker 1: We now know Missy.
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Speaker 2: Beavers was allegedly having marital and financial struggles at the
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Speaker 2: time of her death and believe to be in an
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Speaker 2: intimate relationship external to the marriage. That's what the documents say.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, a renowned psychoanalyst, joining us
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Speaker 2: out of LA her new book, deal Breaker, went to
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Speaker 2: work on a relationship and when to walk away, Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How many times have
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Speaker 2: I heard a defense attorney say every adulterer is not
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Speaker 2: a killer. But I can tell you this, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: reverse that. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: Flip it. When you have a murder that is in
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Speaker 1: the middle of an.
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Speaker 2: Affair, I find it really hard to believe that the
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Speaker 2: killer is not somehow in that mix. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: the husband, Okay, I've put him away. He's on a shelf,
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Speaker 2: He's on a suspect. In my mind right now, I
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Speaker 2: can revisit him later because he's at a state. To
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Speaker 2: this day, nothing has been uncovered regarding a plot that
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Speaker 2: he arranged the murder. Okay, so step back, think who
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Speaker 2: else in that a fair circle, A wife, a girlfriend,
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Speaker 2: an ex help me, thank Dr Bethany the dynamic here.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the.
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Speaker 7: Perp for a second man or woman. We know that
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Speaker 7: this person has a mix of masculine and feminine traits,
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Speaker 7: so that narrows the pool just a little bit. Right there.
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Speaker 7: The person is wearing tactical gear, which suggests that the
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Speaker 7: purp gravitates towards positions of power. And we know that
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Speaker 7: people who are sociopathic love they love power, so that
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Speaker 7: narrows the pool just a little bit too. And then
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Speaker 7: we extend it out to this possible affair. It does
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Speaker 7: sort of help us to cast a wider net around
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Speaker 7: people who might have been preoccupied with Missy if she
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Speaker 7: was having an affair with a man, a man's girlfriend,
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Speaker 7: a man's wife, a jealous coworker. Love triangles are at
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Speaker 7: the heart of homicides very very often. We also know
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Speaker 7: that the perk was probably not somebody who attended her
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Speaker 7: fitness class, because if he was, he or she was
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Speaker 7: limping or pronating to the right, and the purp looks
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Speaker 7: kind of overweight unless this is very puffy tactical gear.
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Speaker 7: This is not somebody who looks very fit. So it
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Speaker 7: takes it away from the fitness world, somebody who could
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Speaker 7: have developed a preoccupation with her, somebody who was in
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Speaker 7: her class, and it puts into the world of intimate relationships, because, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: it's in the context of intimate relationships that homicides occur
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Speaker 7: most often. I'm not talking about the husband, but think
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Speaker 7: about it. In our most intimate relationships that we feel despair, rage, betrayal, angers.
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Speaker 7: So this person, I think was leaked in some way
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Speaker 7: emotionally to Missy or emotionally to the a fair person.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, are you trying to sell me
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Speaker 2: on the idea that it was one of the women
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Speaker 2: in her class.
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Speaker 1: And not connected to the love triangle.
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Speaker 7: No, I said the opposite. It's not somebody in her
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Speaker 7: class because this person does not look fit.
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Speaker 1: How can you tell.
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Speaker 2: That they're garbed and you know they might as well
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Speaker 2: be wearing a burka. I can't tell anything in that
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Speaker 2: we don't even know as a man or a woman.
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Speaker 1: What is that. I don't know, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: This person just doesn't look like a paragon of health.
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Speaker 7: I can't even tell you why.
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Speaker 1: Okayne.
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Speaker 2: You know, Bethany, I respected you up until you said that,
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Speaker 2: because you're asking. You're telling me you don't think it's
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Speaker 2: somebody in their exercise class.
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Speaker 1: Because somebody that's.
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Speaker 2: Totally swathed in a outfit, you can tell they're not fit.
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Speaker 2: You think everybody in an exercise class is fit. I
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Speaker 2: can guarantee you that's not true.
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Speaker 7: And Nancy, did you see pictures of Missy doing the
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Speaker 7: lunges with the kettlebell. I mean this woman was fit.
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Speaker 1: She was fit. I know her. I'm talking about the
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Speaker 1: you know what. Hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 2: I did not expect your answer to be that what
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing. Renee Jones joining me, this is Missy Beaver's
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Speaker 2: friend and co worker. Were you familiar with her exercise class?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I was, Absolutely I was.
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Speaker 8: And to be quite honest, Nancy, our training guidelines were
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Speaker 8: to train to the masses. Our ultimate goal, even personally,
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Speaker 8: was to impact as many lives as possible in as
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Speaker 8: many places as possible.
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Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe, Renee that anyone
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Speaker 2: in her exercise class that she was teaching her gladiator class.
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Speaker 2: Is you know, a better way to put it, killed her.
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Speaker 2: I mean there may have been some jealousy or some
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Speaker 2: resentment of some sort.
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Speaker 1: I don't see it.
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Speaker 2: Always looked up to my fitness instructors, but I don't
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Speaker 2: see that at all.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right direction.
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Speaker 8: I have to agree simply because the environment in the
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Speaker 8: culture that's created and was created in those camps was
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Speaker 8: one of family oriented, it was one of change, it
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Speaker 8: was one of faith.
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Speaker 2: Much has been made of the fact that Missy advertised
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Speaker 2: the date, time, and location of her class online. Now
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Speaker 2: you would think that that could attract hundreds of crazy pervs.
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Speaker 2: But remember we're talking about Middle Lothian, Texas with a
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Speaker 2: very very small population, very very rural. So who was
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Speaker 2: looking at Missy Beaver's posting. Who knew she would be
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Speaker 2: inside that day as opposed to all other days when
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Speaker 2: she held her class outside. Was someone waiting for the moment?
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan joining US
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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure
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Speaker 2: and forensic program. Joe Scott. Let's talk about the mode
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Speaker 2: of murder. Okay, multiple puncture wounds to the face, the head,
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Speaker 2: and the chest. Now, as much as it seems to me,
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Speaker 2: someone five to two potentially to five eight with that gate,
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Speaker 2: with the matter of breaking the glass that Tom Smith,
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Speaker 2: NYPD detective described, I think.
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Speaker 1: It would be a woman.
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Speaker 2: But the mode of murder, stabbing her in the face
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Speaker 2: and the chest is more of a mail a typical
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Speaker 2: mail attack.
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Speaker 9: This is an attempt I think at least to greatly
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Speaker 9: damage and disfigure her. Nancy, dear, and we're saying stab,
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Speaker 9: but these are punctures, which is completely different type of insult.
22:14
Speaker 9: When you're talking about a puncture wound, imagine somebody being
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Speaker 9: driven through with a piece of rebar or a pole
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Speaker 9: or something like that. And that's what we're dealing with.
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Speaker 9: This instrument that they're talking about here, this hammer as
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Speaker 9: it's been framed, is quite interesting because you can have
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Speaker 9: puncture wounds that are created by a claw hammer if
22:36
Speaker 9: you use the claw in It could also be a
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Speaker 9: geology hammer, which has actually a spike on one end
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Speaker 9: of it, a normal hammer on the other side. But
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Speaker 9: these are outliers, Nancy. In our field when you talk
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Speaker 9: about death by hammer. We hear a lot about these
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Speaker 9: over the years, but they don't happen with great frequency.
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Speaker 9: And what's fascinating about this is that this person goes
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Speaker 9: to all the truck to dress up as a cop,
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Speaker 9: to maybe present themselves as a police officer. But they
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Speaker 9: don't show up with a firearm, Nancy. They show up
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Speaker 9: with a hammer to use for a lethal instrument. Why
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Speaker 9: that that's very very intimate, Nancy. This ranks right up
23:18
Speaker 9: there with stab wounds and other bludgeoning types of desks,
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Speaker 9: very up close and personal.
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Speaker 2: Scott Brooks joining us for the Max hage Son. Scott,
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Speaker 2: what is a theory regarding the murder weapon?
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Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you this, and I've never really said
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Speaker 6: this before publicly, but I would, given the sources that
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Speaker 6: we have and they're confidential, I would bet my mortgage
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Speaker 6: that Missy was killed with the script and that while
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Speaker 6: the medical examiner says puncture wounds, we do see the
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Speaker 6: portrayor walk around with the hammer, we can't tell what's
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Speaker 6: on both sides of that hammer. But what I can
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Speaker 6: strongly con is that Missy was killed with a screwdriver.
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Speaker 6: And I don't know if you wanted to be any
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Speaker 6: more vivid than that, but that was that was the wound,
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Speaker 6: was the method of murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Scott Brooks, why are you saying screwdriver versus hammer?
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Speaker 6: Because of the that we had that stalled Missy's body
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Speaker 6: within hours after her death.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now special guest doctor Michael Nirrenberg, podiatrists physician
24:32
Speaker 2: and surgeon, forensic podiatrist who was called in all this investigation,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Niarenburgh, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 13: Well, thank you Nancy for having me.
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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in the Missy Beaver's murder investigation?
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Speaker 13: I think it was someone from the Midloleian Police Department
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Speaker 13: and after that I ended up conversing mostly with an
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Speaker 13: FBI agent or several FBI agents on the case.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Doctor Derrenberg.
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Speaker 13: So I was called in to look at the gate
25:09
Speaker 13: of the perpetrator. And a gate is how we walk
25:15
Speaker 13: or move in simple terms, and the manner in our
25:19
Speaker 13: style of walking between people generally varies so well to
25:24
Speaker 13: people can walk the same, most people tend to walk
25:29
Speaker 13: a little differently and have different mannerisms and features of
25:33
Speaker 13: their gate. Some people will swing their arms a lot
25:37
Speaker 13: for example, some people just let their arms dangle. So
25:41
Speaker 13: I was asked to compare the evaluate and compare the
25:47
Speaker 13: gate of the perpetrator within the church with that of
25:52
Speaker 13: persons that the FBI sent me video of. And they
25:57
Speaker 13: would just send me men women. They would just send
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Speaker 13: me persons, and they didn't tell me if they were
26:03
Speaker 13: persons of interest, if they were like a police lineup,
26:07
Speaker 13: if they were just police officers. And they had me
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Speaker 13: let them know if they walked the same similar or
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Speaker 13: they walked different.
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Speaker 4: Missy Beavers arrives at Creekside Church at four sixteen AM
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Speaker 4: and begins setting up for her five AM fitness class.
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Speaker 4: She doesn't realize there's someone else in the building. Video
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Speaker 4: surveillance inside Creekside Church shows a person dressed in full
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Speaker 4: police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the
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Speaker 4: church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer. The
26:36
Speaker 4: unknown person uses force to get into the church when
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Speaker 4: he is first seen on video about three point fifty am.
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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.
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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the grainy surveillance video is still unidentified.
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Speaker 2: Joining our special guest, doctor Michael Nirrenberg. Doctor Niirreenberg was
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Speaker 2: brought in by police to assist with the FBI investigation.
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Speaker 2: The FBI showed doctor Niirrenberg video that has not been
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Speaker 2: released to the public, and it is very very disturbing. Infact,
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Speaker 2: it shows Missy inside the church, Doctor Niirreenberg, What does
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Speaker 2: the video you saw depict all?
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Speaker 13: The video was sent to me as far as I know,
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Speaker 13: and there was video of Missy arriving at the church,
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Speaker 13: setting up in the church. But the most emotional disturbing
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Speaker 13: part for me was where she stops doing what she's doing.
27:43
Speaker 13: She walks into another hallway and you can see her
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Speaker 13: sort of like cock her head a little bit, almost
27:50
Speaker 13: like she hears something, and she's sort of looking like,
27:55
Speaker 13: what does she hear? She hears something, There's something that
27:58
Speaker 13: stops her cold, and it's almost like, and I'm sure
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Speaker 13: people can relate to when you're watching those horror films
28:07
Speaker 13: and you want to yell at the screen, you know,
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Speaker 13: get out of the house because sadly we know what's coming,
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Speaker 13: you know.
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Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective and host of
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Speaker 2: Goldshield's podcast. We spend so much time talking about the
28:23
Speaker 2: evidence and the facts and the clues. But do you
28:27
Speaker 2: hear what doctor Michael Nierenberg is saying that there is
28:30
Speaker 2: additional video that he has seen that shows Missy inside
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Speaker 2: the church preparing for the class, and you see her
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Speaker 2: look like she hears something, and she does she's hearing
28:46
Speaker 2: her killer. We very rarely think about what she went
28:51
Speaker 2: through in the moments leading up to her murder.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's disturbing and it's sad, but that goes to
28:58
Speaker 12: the setup, like I was talking about, for you know,
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Speaker 12: everything's laid out to show or to give the appearance
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Speaker 12: of a break in, and maybe the perpetrator made a
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Speaker 12: sound to get her attention to come in that direction
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Speaker 12: and then did what they had planned to do the
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Speaker 12: whole time.
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Speaker 2: Banks to doctor Michael Niermerg joining us a physician and
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Speaker 2: surgeon forensic cadiatrist that was brought in on the Missy
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Speaker 2: Beaver's murder investigation. Doctor Niermerg, you're telling me that the
29:28
Speaker 2: additional video that has not been released to the public
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Speaker 2: shows Missy and the church preparing for her class.
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Speaker 1: What room is she in?
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Speaker 13: I do recall as where she walks out into the
29:38
Speaker 13: hall and she starts walking down the hall and she
29:42
Speaker 13: stops and you can see her like looking listening. You know,
29:47
Speaker 13: she hears something, and you know, as a forensic scientist,
29:51
Speaker 13: what we do is very dry, and it just brings
29:55
Speaker 13: it home at the end of the day, that these
29:58
Speaker 13: crimes are about, you know, people and what they experience,
30:02
Speaker 13: and what your prior guest said. I actually took it
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Speaker 13: the other way that maybe I've often thought that maybe
30:11
Speaker 13: the perpetrator was making noise because they did not think
30:16
Speaker 13: anybody else was in the church. That was my not
30:20
Speaker 13: as a forensic pediatrist, but just as a person thinking
30:23
Speaker 13: about the case over the years. I actually thought the reverse,
30:27
Speaker 13: that he was making he or she was making noise
30:30
Speaker 13: because they just didn't think anybody was there, and somehow
30:35
Speaker 13: they got surprised by her finding them.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps curious, Is it true the FBI asked you to
30:42
Speaker 2: study the video of the suspect and you actually had
30:45
Speaker 2: an officer reenact what happened with and without the swat
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Speaker 2: suit or the body armor.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 13: So what I did when I first got the cases,
30:57
Speaker 13: I went to my local police station. I'm out here
31:01
Speaker 13: in northwest Indiana, in a small towns and I went
31:05
Speaker 13: to the police station and I had a They agreed
31:09
Speaker 13: to help, and the police officer who trains with SWAK
31:14
Speaker 13: gear once a month, I videotaped him and took photos
31:19
Speaker 13: of him walking with and without the police gear and
31:27
Speaker 13: so so I and I actually put the gear on
31:30
Speaker 13: myself at one point just to feel the weight of it,
31:34
Speaker 13: and it was it was somewhat heavy. I forget the
31:37
Speaker 13: exact weight of this gear, but I think it was
31:39
Speaker 13: about forty pounds. And I remember that that that the
31:44
Speaker 13: photos of him with him without it actually showed him
31:48
Speaker 13: him shorter with with the with the gear. When he
31:53
Speaker 13: was wearing the gear, it actually shortened his height.
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Speaker 1: Question.
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Speaker 2: I call it solu footed, some people call it duckfoot.
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Speaker 2: What percentage are a population is.
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Speaker 13: Well there well, and what I call it is is
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Speaker 13: out toeing. So when you're looking at out toe amount
32:13
Speaker 13: of the population, there's varying degrees of out toowed out towing.
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Speaker 13: And what's interesting here is when we look at gates,
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Speaker 13: some people only out toe when their feet are land
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Speaker 13: on the ground. Some people out toe as their foot
32:29
Speaker 13: swings through the air, suggesting that the whole leg and
32:35
Speaker 13: knee are turned outward through the swing. And if if
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Speaker 13: you look here through the swing, not just when the
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Speaker 13: feet are on the ground. Uh, there there's out towing
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Speaker 13: to a to a significant degree. You know, usually you
32:52
Speaker 13: see in most of the population we were out towed
32:56
Speaker 13: about maybe ten degrees approximately or so. So here you're
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Speaker 13: seeing significant out toeing, and not just when their feet
33:04
Speaker 13: are on the ground, but when they swing that leg forward.
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Speaker 13: You know, you look at the knee, you look, you
33:10
Speaker 13: look at the the the arms, the head is hanging
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Speaker 13: slightly tilted. The head is slightly forward, not directly back
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Speaker 13: over the shoulders. One knee is stays pretty much bent
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Speaker 13: to a small degree. It doesn't completely straighten the other
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Speaker 13: the other knee straighter.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace got a question for you,
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Speaker 2: doctor in Nirenberg. Isn't it true that as you say,
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Speaker 2: out toeing, as I say, slew footed typically manifests when
33:51
Speaker 2: someone is younger, like a toddler up to adolescent. You
33:56
Speaker 2: don't develop that gate later in life.
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Speaker 1: Do you.
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Speaker 13: That's a great question, Nancy, And most people are out
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Speaker 13: told due to like you said, genetics, heredity, but other
34:09
Speaker 13: things can happen. You can have a you can develop arthritis.
34:13
Speaker 13: You can have an injury to your knee, your hip,
34:16
Speaker 13: your back.
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Speaker 2: The majority of slew footed individuals have it as a youth,
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Speaker 2: a toddler to ten years. It developed somewhere in that time.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: The majority?
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Speaker 13: I would I would say without researching it as a
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Speaker 13: as a estimate in my experience, the majority of people
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Speaker 13: it's when they're young this develops and then it stays
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Speaker 13: with them.
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Speaker 1: So okay, got it. So my point is doctor to
34:48
Speaker 1: just bring it home.
34:50
Speaker 2: Is that whoever this is likely is wont like this
34:53
Speaker 2: since they were a toddler, and therefore people around them
34:58
Speaker 2: know they want like this. Like I spot my husband's
35:01
Speaker 2: gate a mile away, I don't have to see his face.
35:05
Speaker 2: I know it's him. Same with my son, same with
35:07
Speaker 2: my daughter. By the way she holds her arms when
35:09
Speaker 2: she walks.
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Speaker 1: You know this person, but no one is coming forward.
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Speaker 2: This is someone in Missy's circle, someone that is connected
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Speaker 2: to her or someone she's involved with, who killed Missy
35:28
Speaker 2: Beaver's to Scott Brooks, joining US President publisher walks a
35:32
Speaker 2: Hoachie's son.
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Speaker 1: Does it just burn you up? Does it bother you
35:39
Speaker 1: that somebody has to know who this purp is?
35:42
Speaker 2: Someone that is connected to Missy Beaver's, to her exercise class. No,
35:48
Speaker 2: not that, No, it's someone more connected to her. This
35:52
Speaker 2: is not a robbery gone wrong. Typically, when burglars are
35:56
Speaker 2: found out, they run, they leave, they don't grab a
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Speaker 2: screwdriver and murder the witness. Plus, this purp was completely swathed.
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Speaker 2: There's no way she would have recognized them. Are they
36:11
Speaker 2: wearing like a motorcycle helmet?
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 6: And to answer your first question, for eight years, I
36:18
Speaker 6: have been I wouldn't say obsessed, but I've certainly made
36:20
Speaker 6: a commitment to Missy's family or girls, or a husband
36:24
Speaker 6: or former husband that we weren't going to stop as
36:27
Speaker 6: a media company, making sure that we kept this thing alive,
36:31
Speaker 6: so to speak, and that we have somebody in our community,
36:35
Speaker 6: in my opinion, on the loose free who did this
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Speaker 6: heinous thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, hey, back it up, Scott Brooks, he said,
36:43
Speaker 2: somebody in the community.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do not think that this
36:46
Speaker 1: was a hired.
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Speaker 2: Hit from you know, you didn't have the scorpion come
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Speaker 2: in from Columbia to kill Missy Beavers.
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Speaker 1: That's right, man, Someone in this.
36:57
Speaker 2: Community, in this region and did this thing, and for
37:02
Speaker 2: all these years Dr Bethany Marshall, they have sat back
37:07
Speaker 2: and enjoyed watching us try and figure it out and
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Speaker 2: buy God, somehow we've got to get this killer, Bethany,
37:16
Speaker 2: how happy do you think they are watching us try
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Speaker 2: to catch them, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: Every time this crime gets covered, they get to live
37:25
Speaker 7: and relive the excitement of the crime. This person enjoyed this,
37:29
Speaker 7: As Joskone Morgan said, this was a very intimate, intimate attack.
37:33
Speaker 7: It was full of rage, it was full of passion.
37:36
Speaker 7: So this person is hiding in plain sight probably looks
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Speaker 7: sort of passive and slick and sort of harmless to
37:43
Speaker 7: the community. But the community you need to take a
37:45
Speaker 7: good look around and see, you know, if there's a
37:48
Speaker 7: family member or somebody that they know who's preoccupied with
37:52
Speaker 7: the crime, because that could be a big clue. If
37:55
Speaker 7: somebody keeps collecting data and watching and rewatching shows and interviews,
37:59
Speaker 7: that suggests that there's still relishing in the act.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, you know what, and anybody on the panel
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Speaker 2: jump in if you watch this person.
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Speaker 1: But when they pause, they're not making a.
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Speaker 2: Real effort to get any of the into any of
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Speaker 2: these doors that are locked. They're like on the on
38:14
Speaker 2: the handle and they move on, but at one point
38:17
Speaker 2: they pause. There's one point where the practically puts her
38:21
Speaker 2: hand on our hips.
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Speaker 1: I can practically see her bikini bod.
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Speaker 7: I can too. Yeah, you have a really good point.
38:30
Speaker 7: But also a woman who has masculine traits, So, as
38:34
Speaker 7: I said earlier, that can narrow the pool somewhat. Maybe
38:37
Speaker 7: somebody who's non binary.
38:39
Speaker 1: Is actually giving me a headache.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Nirenberg, Scott Brooks, Joe Scott, Tom Smith, doctor Bethany.
38:48
Speaker 1: We have lived this case.
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Speaker 2: And it is burning me up that we have all
38:53
Speaker 2: this knowledge, but we still don't have an answer for
38:58
Speaker 2: anyone that knows or thinks that they know any information
39:04
Speaker 2: regarding the brutal murder, the puncture murder of Missy Beavers.
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Speaker 2: I ask you to please dial the Middle Lothian PD
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Speaker 2: nine seven two seven seven five seven six two four
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Speaker 2: repeat nine seven two seven seven five seven six two
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Speaker 2: four and trust me, it is never wrong to do
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Speaker 2: the right thing. There is a one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars reward, and it's never too late to do
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Speaker 2: the right thing. Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,