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The Last of the Tabac - The Gathering Storm chapter 10 - EP518 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 2: We switched in Lord of Chaos.
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  Speaker 1: We switched Yeah, Fires Heaven.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was very appropriate, of course it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think it might have been like Patha Daggers maybe
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  Speaker 2: like I can listen to audiobooks or music while I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing it, because I'm just doing it by I yea, No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even actually doing anything acoustic.
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  Speaker 1: Just checking in on the audio every once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: probably to make sure it's what you think it is.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm just dropping the files in by name, and
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  Speaker 2: you for listening part of everyone except for the last one.
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  Speaker 2: So that way, that is still how you know the
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  Speaker 2: file is ended, because that's always been the convention is
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  Speaker 2: that when Jessica's voice kicks in, you know, that's the
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  Speaker 2: actual end of the episode and there's no more fun bits. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so that I didn't want that to come up
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly throughout the meta episodes, so I cut that off
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  Speaker 2: of all of them except the last one, and I
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  Speaker 2: leave it on the last one so that way, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually.
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  Speaker 1: Done nice to the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, but I can I at this point, I
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  Speaker 2: know what her that part looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's very.
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  Speaker 2: Very easy to do it visually. You got creative with
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  Speaker 2: the music a couple of times, but it's not bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's just like I stacked them all up
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  Speaker 2: into a thing and I hit render and it just
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  Speaker 2: fucking runs for like two hours. She's crunching out all
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  Speaker 2: of the episodes. This is not at all the episode
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  Speaker 2: you need to be talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Focus Folk focus. Yes on the last of the Tabac.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the dragon, and our.
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  Speaker 1: Symbol is the dragon because you've got brand showing up.
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  Speaker 2: Taverer innings so hard. He's just whipping his dragon tail
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  Speaker 2: all over the situation like a cat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you got Vieran all over it. Ah, And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's two last the back. Let's I'll do a reading.
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  Speaker 1: I guess ye. It's heralda yeah, the last of the
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  Speaker 1: tobac rotal Eterralda puffed quietly on his pipe, smoke curling
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  Speaker 1: from it like the sinuous coils of a snake. The
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  Speaker 1: smoke tendrils wrapped around themselves, pooling at the center above him,
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  Speaker 1: then leaking out through cracks in the roof of the
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  Speaker 1: ramshackle shed. The boards in the walls were warped with age,
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  Speaker 1: opening slits to the outside, and the gray wood was
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  Speaker 1: cracked and splintered. Sorry, a brazier, No, A brazier burned
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  Speaker 1: in the corner, and winds whistled through the cracks in
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  Speaker 1: the walls. It's Eralda, faintly worried those winds would blow
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  Speaker 1: over the entire building. He stood on a stool, several
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  Speaker 1: maps on the table before him. At the corner of
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  Speaker 1: the table. His back pouch weighed down a wrinkled piece
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  Speaker 1: of paper all square was weathered, unfolded from being carried
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  Speaker 1: inside his coat pocket. Well. Rajabi asked, think of neck
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  Speaker 1: and determined of attitude. He was brown eyed, with a
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  Speaker 1: wide nose and a bulbous chin. He was completely bald
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  Speaker 1: now and faintly resembled a large boulder. He tended to
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  Speaker 1: act like a boulder too. It could take a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work to get him rolling, but once you did,
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  Speaker 1: he was bloody hard to stop. He had been one
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  Speaker 1: of the first to join Eteralda's cause, for all the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he had been poised to rebel against the
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  Speaker 1: king just a short time before. I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: good reading. So we've been with him a couple of
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  Speaker 1: times before they give us a time stamp. It's been
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  Speaker 1: nearly two weeks since his victory at dar Luna, which
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  Speaker 1: we are with him for, and he's been running from
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  Speaker 1: the Shawn chain this whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, running faster and more ragged than he was expecting to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the way that the general that he killed
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  Speaker 2: told him it would happen. He's like, you realize that
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  Speaker 2: you've absolutely fucked around and you're about to find out.
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  Speaker 2: And he has not had the ability to do any
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  Speaker 2: more fucking around. His find out phase is entirely taking
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  Speaker 2: up the picture. He has no more space to fuck around.
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  Speaker 1: There's no really nowhere to run, is what? And they
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  Speaker 1: Sanderson says that so many times in this chapter the debate,
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  Speaker 1: I really m the constant I have nowhere to run.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can run or stay is
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  Speaker 1: like this is debate in his head. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we revisit it so many times over the course of
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  Speaker 1: this chapter that it really gets annoying, because it's like
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  Speaker 1: not annoying, but I'm like, Okay, we know that's the
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  Speaker 1: debate going on in his head, and we know neither
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  Speaker 1: one is a good solution. And then when Rand walks in,
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  Speaker 1: he is a way out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like I said, I did my notes for
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  Speaker 2: this chapter and the next two chapters, and I noticed
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  Speaker 2: that about all three of them, is that we're really
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  Speaker 2: entering the part of the book where Sanderson is no
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  Speaker 2: longer just introducing himself, no longer just getting his feet
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  Speaker 2: under him. Now he's actually like trying to walk, like
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  Speaker 2: for reales, Yes, and that a lot of what I
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  Speaker 2: generally think of as looping, like when you're standing around
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  Speaker 2: a campfire and someone's just sort of drunkenly talking at
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  Speaker 2: you and they kind of can't get off the train,
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  Speaker 2: even though they also can't bring any new material in,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just looping on themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And saying the same thing in slightly different ways. I
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  Speaker 1: do it all the time the podcast and ed well,
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  Speaker 1: to read, right, Like, that's the whole point of editing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So this is where I'm like, I really do feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's a bit of a failure on the editing
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  Speaker 1: in these chapters because I'm just I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to you know, he says it in the first paragraph,
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  Speaker 1: and then he repeats it over and over and over
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  Speaker 1: again that the setting is a crappy place to stop
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  Speaker 1: because there's no walls, but it does stop the sean
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  Speaker 1: Chan channelers. So and I guess that's the part that
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  Speaker 1: that he doesn't even lead with that, right. You discover
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  Speaker 1: that later in the chapter that the reason he is
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  Speaker 1: stopping is because they're in a steading and that does
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  Speaker 1: prevent the channelers from attacking them. And he's like, if
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  Speaker 1: we run, they're going to catch us, and then we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be stock fighting them when they do have channelers.
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  Speaker 1: At least this way, we can fight them without channelers,
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  Speaker 1: and the trees act as a natural barricade, especially if we,
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  Speaker 1: you know, cut some of them down, which is a
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  Speaker 1: crime in a setting, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like being in Egeralda's head for the first iteration,
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  Speaker 2: I have a thought, and then it's like, you're a
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  Speaker 2: great general, you don't need to debate this back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: It's it makes way more sense in aviends pov. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you know when Avienda's going back and forth and back
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  Speaker 2: and forth, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Annoyed, but because she doesn't have all the information.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm annoyed at her as a character. With it's Heralda.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like this, this feels too uncertain for a great captain.
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  Speaker 1: And the way he thinks about it, in every loop
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  Speaker 1: he hads one more piece of information feels more like
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: a way for Brandon defeat us information rather than Roswal
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  Speaker 1: to actually debate the topic.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not even in like an expositional conversation where
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  Speaker 2: he could be debating every point with Rajabi. It's like
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  Speaker 2: in his head. And so yeah, that did make the
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  Speaker 2: notes easier because I'm just like, oh, three paragraphs of
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  Speaker 2: reiterating the point anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and like, and what's up with Rajabi? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like he's just the Bannerman vibe. He's one of the
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  Speaker 2: fiercest critics, most loyal followers, you know, he sort of
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: stands in for all of the men who became Dragon Sworn,
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  Speaker 2: rather than obey Al Salam that he's been working with.
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  Speaker 2: He's just the Tealmanis of this particular band.
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  Speaker 1: And just just follow up with him. He loses a leg,
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  Speaker 1: the stump is healed the towers at midnight, and then
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  Speaker 1: the draw car takes him down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a badass. He is very much a bowl
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  Speaker 2: a boulder. He cannot be stopped once you get him going,
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  Speaker 2: and he does fight until the bitter end, even hobbling
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  Speaker 2: around on a stump that was you know, patched up
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of a war zone.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing can stop the blob. He's very or what was
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  Speaker 1: the what's the guy in X Men who like, once
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  Speaker 1: he gets going, I don't know, Oh god, the juggernaut, Juggernaut,
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  Speaker 1: thank you? Yes, yeah to kind of Once he gets started,
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  Speaker 1: he can't be stopped. That's what. That's his whole, his
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  Speaker 1: whole literal magic power. Yes, X Men is magic powers.
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  Speaker 1: It's fantasy. Let's let's be serious about this. Is that
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  Speaker 1: he literally is like the momentum he like, once he
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  Speaker 1: gets started, you cannot cancel out his momentum. He's like
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  Speaker 1: infinite momentum.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds problematic. I'm not familiar with X men, but
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  Speaker 2: I can see so many issues with that, so many
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  Speaker 2: different like seasons of conflict in the graphic novel or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And so like the only way to stop him is
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  Speaker 1: like keep him from getting started in the first place, right,
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  Speaker 1: So he's always like clamp down and irons so he
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  Speaker 1: can't move.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I'm not a juggernaut expert, So moving on.
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  Speaker 1: That's that line. Once he started, he can't be stops, gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They also talk about the Tera Bonners, who have
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  Speaker 2: been a part of the military picture up until now
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  Speaker 2: but are no longer job. He's like, how dare they
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  Speaker 2: not fight real? Gala Is like, I have convinced them
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  Speaker 2: to fight one more time, a half a dozen times,
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  Speaker 2: and they're done, right, because.
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  Speaker 1: They're not fighting in their native terrabon anymore. They're in
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  Speaker 1: Airdmon and they're like, why are we fighting in foreign soil?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to us, right, Like.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: There's an argument that the sean Chen are coming for
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: everyone and a fragmented defense is not going to keep
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: them back. But that's not carrying water with them at
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: this time. And yeah, he thinks about how the sean
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Chen have learned from all of their mistakes and you know.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: And then again so this is this is where I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: really I run into trouble with Sanderson because he does
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: a couple of things here. He mentions two reverse to
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Bach and he basically brings up Tom Marylyn right, that's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the master juggler.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: And so it's just like these could be really clever callbacks.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And in some ways I do really like that he's
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: doing that, because like the whole series is like, oh,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you have Meally Skan come back, you have the boy
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: from and so the idea that he does to aversa
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: back and he saw Tom cool little like world building things.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I just feel like it's really done in a handhanded
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: way where he's like he's like, look, I'm referencing earlier
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: stuff in the series. Isn't that cool? And it's really
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: put up there on a pedestal in a way that
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: that to me doesn't feel very smooth, if that makes sense,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Like this really does. When we talk about Sanderson walking,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I'd almost say he's stumbling here.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: This is the beginning of walking. It's the beginning, It's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the beginning, the whole first book is rough for sure.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when the when the toddlers like sort of on
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: its feet and you're like okay, and you're like supporting
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: it and it's wobbling and like one foot kind of
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: goes forward and you're like it's walking, and you're like, well,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: technically that would be walking, yes.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we're just commenting on like we were past
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the standing up phase. Yes, he is now trying to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: walk walk. It's awkward. But like this whole first book,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: this whole first book is rough.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we see what direction you're walking in, like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and we like the direction, we like the direction, right, But.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I had liked the callback to Tom, like it is
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a Hamhant fisted story, but like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I did like the idea that Tom has been a
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: notorious character for that long because he has that impression
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and it's like even rosel Au Giralda saw him at
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: a bank but once, like that's kind of fun. The
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: two rivers to Bacca doesn't connect to anything Noch, I
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: think is kind of annoying. I would have liked it
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: to like have an allegorical meaning, like a gwain stool
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: or something but instead it's just it's known far and
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: what I don't know. It's not as satisfying as it
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: could be.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get a little weird about the tours to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Bac because everyone smokes it. But it's like two Rivers
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: was this tiny little hamlet that exported very little amounts.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: How is every It should like not go very far.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be that widely known. In my opinion, the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: idea that tourist to Bac is this like the best
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of the best of the best.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: How big is the Champagne region in France.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It took modern convey is to make Champagne famous across
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And it also goes back to just like and this
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is this is a Jordan thing. Is like two Rivers
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: area was like four small villages and now all of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a sudden it appears to be like one hundred thousand
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: people or more.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it had a huge flood of refugees.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: It did, it did, but like to produce the amount
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: of two hours to back that's spread out across the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: world and widely smoked those four villages, feels like it's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: just not enough people to harvest that amount of tobacc.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're had slaves and I just don't talk about it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, two Rivers is the American South to Robert Jordans,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So we're not gonna anyway.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I do feel like if I knew anything at all
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: about the history of tobacco cultivation in the South, it
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: might be easier to like make some assumptions. But at
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: this point, all I know is that I wanted to
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: learn more about it because my genealogy interest has pointed
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: me at the tobacco growing south in some places, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I do need to learn more about that, but I
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: don't I haven't gone on those deep dives yet, so
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what kind of acreage to retail
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: conversion there is at all. I have no sense of that. Like,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: is there some town in South Carolina that was like
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: renowned across the entire United States? Is having the best tobacco?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Like is that a thing from tobacco growing lore that
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I just don't know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I think you underestimate how much tobacco people smoke and
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: how much acreage you need to grow that much tobacco.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I have no I am terrible with
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: spatial assumptions. I'm just assuming I don't know what the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: hell I'm talking about.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my understanding is most of the slave
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: labor went into cotton just because you had the cotton gin,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and that's really what made the slave labor explode in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: terms of the volume. But I'm sure slave labor was
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: used in the harvesting of tobacco.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It was one hundreds of years long. Institutions spread out
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: across a huge area. There was a lot of different
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: like areas of specialization at different times based on local
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and economic conditions and technology. Maybe there's a lot of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: counterfeit product. There's just a whole bunch of people who
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: have convinced themselves that they know what two rivers tobaccas
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and they're like aficionados, but like they've never actually smoked it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It's just all the sepo effect. I like that. That's
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: could be a good bit of like that plot hole.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually all like you know, camel and tobacco.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: That's just like it's wetter and it's not grown quite
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: as or dryer or something who knows, and it's just
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: not as good. But it's but it's mostly coming from
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: from and or farmers who are claiming, oh yeah, this
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is we got from the Two Rivers when really, like
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the Two Rivers never made it to them. They just
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: grew their own tobacco and are copying the brands or whatever.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Right, but like their grandma knew a woman who said
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that she went to the Two Rivers one time and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: told them like the ancient tradition in all ways of
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: treating the tobacco. So like clearly, like you know, propaganda,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: commercialized propaganda is a hell of a drug. You can
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: make so many myths.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like the fact that people's brains, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: taste what they expect rather than what they actually taste.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, blind taste testing is a fun rabbit hole
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to fall down.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I really do feel like it's it put the nail
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in the coffin of the wine industry. Is when people
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: were like, why am I.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Should have it? Didn't but it should have.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there the last two ut three years, I mean wine,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the wine industry and the beer industry are taking a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: huge hit over the last couple of years. I heard
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: someone say like wine consumption is down like eighteen percent
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: over two years, Like it's insane how much of a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: hit they're taking. And it's combo I mean, I don't
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: know what it's from, but I think it's combo of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: alcohol being expensive and everyone being fucking broke. So when
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they do drink alcohol, it's mostly hard alcohol because that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is the cheapest way to feel it. And then you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: combine that with just a lot of people who I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: think have decided a alcohol and wine got expensive for
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: some stupid reason when it used to be like the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: poor man's drink, right, the Winos that was the whole.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: The reason Whinos was a name is because wine was
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the cheapest way to get drunk.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of hits on the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: agriculture of grapes over the last for something years, so
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that can't not be a factor.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: And look, the other big factor is the legalization of marijuana.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So many people have decided that they're going to consume
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: pot and they feel better doing that than consuming alcohol
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or consuming nothing at all, because alcohol really is just
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a fucking poison. And like, I feel like because so
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: many people are smoking weed instead of drinking, that gives
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people permission to not drink. It's just
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I have so many people in my life who have
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: stopped drinking. It's insane. It's just like all the men,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: all the men, A lot of the men I know
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: have stop drinking.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've I did a dry October and now
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a dry January because it's just like, it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: not good, It's empirically not good. But I definitely can
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: tell red from white wine, and I can tell decent,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: decent wine from absolute shit wine. There is such a
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: thing as really shitty wine.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: See, I'll tell you I can tell dry wine from
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: sweet wine, but that doesn't necessarily mean I can tell
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a red from white, Like a sweet red would read
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: as white to me, and a dry white would read
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: his red to me.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I also just love really really bitter, hoppy
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: craft beer. I'm one of those people driving the industry
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: into absolutely ridiculously over hopped beer. I'm not sorry.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Well, let's screw you, because you've ruined it for the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: rest of us.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my twenty has definitely ruined it for a lot
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of people in the Central Lammett Valley. We get through
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the whole Tom's story, where are we?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I do like the way he says, have you ever
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: seen a gleaman who juggles? And he's like, not a gleaman,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a master and it's like Tom was not. And I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: do like that little retcon that, like Tom being so
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: good of juggling is not a standard gleaming thing. He
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: is a master above and beyond, which makes sense. He's Tom, right,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but he's a master above all else. And we get
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the story where he's got ten balls going in the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: air and then there's an explosion, he can't do the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: eleventh and he puts them all down. Just so you know, again,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the world record is juggling eleven balls twice, right, throw
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and catch, throw and catch eleven balls. That's it, right,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: That is a world record. So actually jugging, juggling ten
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: balls for any length of time probably has never happened
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: by anybody in the world.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: That's just how good Tom is.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking better than anybody who's currently practiced, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he's doing it. I mean it stretches, stretches the level
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of believability, right, that he's able to do that, and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the singing and everything.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Else legends fade to myth.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's a good point. Would he be a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: better juggler with the water bond? I mean, I might
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: believe he could juggle ten balls a little bit better
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: if he had the water bond already.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you said that he suddenly found himself
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: able to juggle ten balls where once he had struggled
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: to do eight, then I'd be like, all right, fine,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that's cool, that's okay. Yeah, but no, this was oh
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: he was younger than no. I mean, I'm sure there's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: been some like weird vaudevillian savant like in the seventeen
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: hundred who could juggle like twenty balls, but like no
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: one ever saw them do it because they lived alone
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: in the woods, you know.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: See.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: The thing is it really comes down to physics, right,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: because the more balls you have, the higher you have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to throw the right because there's just a certain amount
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of time you catch your throat, right, you have to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: with three balls you have you have to you know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: one third you have, right, basically two balls, a ball
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in each hand and a ball in the air. Right,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: so two thirds of the time you're holding a ball.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Right. Oh, okay, okay, here's my solution. Yeah, point eight
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: gravity plan has gravity.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: That you know that would actually work, that would actually
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: work if it wasn't you know, actually canonically Earth.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Which it is, which it is whatever.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but when you have ten balls, you're gonna
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: have two in your hand, eight in the air really nine, Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: And so all of a sudden you have to keep
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the ball in the air for nine tenths of the time,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: which means you have to throw it up really fucking high.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: The higher you throw it, the less accurate your throat
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: is going to be. And at some point you're just
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball so high that the idea that it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: going to come down within a region that you can
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: catch it at You're just not that good at throwing.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Nobody is right. You can't throw that precisely.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, the legend's coming in from my theory. We lost
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: some gravity in the breaking. Somehow during the breaking, we
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: lost enough mass from the core of the earth. Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And then the other aspect is just like, not only
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you have to throw more accurately, but you have to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: throw with a To get a ball that high, you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have to throw as hard as you can. So you're
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: throwing as hard as you can vertically and hoping that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it comes down repeatedly and hoping comes down. There's just
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a over a period of time you're just gonna lose.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Not to mention how you can't do that inside like
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you see people juggling like ten balls. Those balls are
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: going thirty forty feet up in the air, right, Like,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you can't do that in any place with a ceiling
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: except maybe like the White Tower. Like that's outside only stuff,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: which then you have a problem because you're outside and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you have wind, right, so.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Get over that kind of distance. The wind is going
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to matter.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So it's it's it's just you know, I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: guess the juggling competitions I've seen where they pull this off.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: They're in a giant warehouse where the air is carefully
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: get called a stadium or something like that. Yeah, sorry,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be me if I didn't rant about the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: juggling party.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Now, I was fully expecting a juggling runt because it
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: is you, and that is an old old Watts spoilers
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: deep cut rant. Is that Seth is angry about the juggling,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: but he does come around to the ultimate point, which
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: is true, which is that the bigger and more exciting
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the feet, the more spectacular the failure at the end,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: if you push the feet to the point of failure,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like that is true of anything.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Which I would say is kind of the point of
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: this chapter, right, like he's that is the moral of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this chapter to me, is I underline. That's the only
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: thing I underlined in this whole thing. I usually highlight
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and underlying things or things like I'm like, this is important,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And for me it's the fall at the end grew
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: more spectacular as well, right, that line, And I think
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it applies to Rant, right, because Rand is the one
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: who doing the juggling with all these nations and all
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: these things, and it's like, at some point Rand is
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: not going to be able to maintain it, and that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: where the crash is going to come in, right, And
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I really do think it's Rand has to go through
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the epiphany before he starts juggling them and starts letting
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: them manage themselves. He has to trust his people because
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: right now he's juggling and he's going to crash. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's the big difference between him post veins
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of gold and pre veins of gold.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right now. Ogeralda tells this story and then
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: finds himself being one of the balls being drawn into
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Rand's juggling, which is on an inevitable collision course with
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the limits of physics, right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And Rand's ability to manage all the different countries and people.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And you know, we even see a bit of it
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: here with in Navienda in the next chapter where she's like,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Rand has no idea what's going on in the background,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: so he can treat the ideal people as one.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, totally, totally yeah, So right, as he's kind
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of making his like peace with the fact that they're
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: all going to die, you know, there's honor in this Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: There's Okay, That line particular is so Sanderson and so
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Stormlite Archive in a way that because you haven't read them,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I can't really talk to you about. But like, there
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was no such thing as glory to have be had
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: in battle, but there was honor. Honor is dead. I'll
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: see what I can do. Storm lighte Archive is all
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like pretty much that entire series. The god that they worship,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the God of the land, is the God of honor. Right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that's the aspect of their And so the idea of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: what is honor versus what is glory versus like how
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: those pan out and the relationship between them, especially in
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: this last book, when in truth it was very much
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: about like what the God of honor considers honorable versus
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: what is honorable, right, And the God of honor only
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: considers keeping your word right, and that, in a lot
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: of ways is a very immature weight of you honor.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, god archetypes often are very simplistic, childish understandings of
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: things that would be taken with a big old boulder
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: of salt and nuance.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Right, right, And so the God of honors, he's very
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: little nuanced and so like. But to see this line
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: being written by Sanderson at this point before he wrote
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it's very much like, oh, yeah, you were definitely thinking
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: about your God of honor in this moment and how
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that applies to the Stormalide Archive.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So that's fun. I mean, it's annoying, but it's fun and.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit. It's one of the things I
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: have noticed in going back and reading these three books
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: is Sanderson, you know, he is who he is, and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: he was thinking and planning about the Stormalode Archive and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: his world long before they came out, and when he
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: was writing this stuff, you know, he knew what his
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: big world was looking like. And there's certainly things in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: there that are I'm not going to say references, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it's obvious that that's where his head was at and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he was thinking about those sorts of things while he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: was writing this book.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I have an upcoming episode on Used to Sow,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: my other podcast with my mom, where what we're doing
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Marcia going to record it, I think tomorrow or the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: next day. Is this song that she wrote thirty years
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: ago that is a folk song ballad that literally just
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: is everything that we're doing with the podcast now. It's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the same themes, it's the same concepts. It is a
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: song about a sewing machine, and it captures every single
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: one of the rants that she goes on in the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: course of the podcast, like about fast fashion and about
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: planned obsolescence, and about American history and like and it's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: this song that she wrote thirty years ago, and it's like,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: this is just proof, here's just proof that she's been
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: on this train of thought for a long time, right.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Right right, And that's why you know, sometimes I think authors,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they write some good books when they first start, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: then they've had they like they're on that same train
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of thought thirty years later, and it like sometimes that's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: why I think later writing has become very repetitive and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: very bad, because there's like, Okay, we've heard this like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: give me something new, and it's like, as people, we
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: don't change that much. Oftentimes we're on the same tracks,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: in the same ruts, thinking about the same things year
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: after year after year.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Well maybe if you're boring. A lot of people have
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: careers that are interesting. They managed to buck the trend.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, it's what if you know, It's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: like when comedians start telling jokes about traveling in airports,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, because that's all they ever experience, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and it's like they're telling what they know. What they
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: know is the life of being a comedian. And sometimes
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I think that writers end up writing the life of
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: being a writer.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I've definitely noticed a lot of YouTubers have switched to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: very like micro observations from within the home, interspersed with
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: talking about having a baby.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like, I.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Think I know what's going on in your life. You
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: don't get out much because you have a baby, and
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: so you're making content based on whatever random object was
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: in the living room at the time that you had
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a deadline.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And Athlet makes a good point that authors write what's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: else is, well, you know, you sell something, Maybe you
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: wrote three or four books. A lot of them didn't sell,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: but then this archetype of a book sells, and maybe
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that's all you can sell to your publisher. Maybe that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: all the publisher will publish. And maybe you don't really
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: want to do it anymore. Maybe you do want to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: write something different, but that doesn't necessarily sell.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. On Hot Nuance, I did an interview
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: with Kate Elliott, who's been writing for longer than either
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: of us have been alive.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've read many of her books.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she was talking about how she thinks she
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: has more ideas now than she ever has in her career,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: like everything she writes inspires her to learn something else
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and have another thing. So I definitely think that. I mean,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: she also talked a lot about the I mean a
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: lot of that interview with about the industry and issues
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: in the publishing industry too, So there's definitely like a
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: real dampening effect on people's potential for creativity.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: That.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes people stifle their own creativity preemptively in order
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to fit in, and that is that's a shame.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: And I've found that in my own brain. I feel
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: like I've I've I'm not doing as good job as
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: consuming as many sources of information as I used to.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm finding it more difficult to find reliable sources of information,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and so I find that I really, at least personally,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: am on some repetitive cycles where as I look for
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: new content to consume because I'm not in school. I've
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: now been at my job for three almost four years, no,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: almost three years, and I'm not really you know, I'm
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: learning stuff, but not at the rate when I first started.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You know, the podcast is pretty self sufficient, you know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm really at this point and like, you know,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I've watched all the YouTube I'm not finding new YouTube
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: content creators, the whole thing with TikTok going away. I'm
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: just I'm a struggling a little bit to find new, good,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: interesting information that is stimulating to my brain. And maybe
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I need to go back to school in some form,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like start taking classes again and actually get like a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: structured kind of information, because I feel like I've pulled
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: what I can out of the Internet the way it
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: currently exists.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe book like The Longmooks. Yeah, a complete
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: like several hundred thesis statement by an author, like a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: little bite sized chunks of school like commitment.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Right, right right, Yeah, that's actually not a bad idea.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: They're they're nice because they're like podcasts and that you
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: can listen to them, but they're much much longer form
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and much longer thoughts to get through. So yeah, you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: i've books are nonfiction books could potentially be a way
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: to scratch that, because there's always infinitely cool books to read.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: One's coming out old ones that are classics, like you'll
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: never run out of good books, like the internet might
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: be going all to hell, but like books have been written,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: there's already more books than you could ever read, and.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: That's probably you do like Battle the Bastards.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Behind the Bastards podcasts.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, Sorry, not Battle the Bastards behind, because
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that's like the kind of I think biographies are a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: pretty good way of transition from fantasy about fictional people
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to act about real people.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And those are long form essays. That's long form, like
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: it's not technically books, but he's written books worth of
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: essays at this.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: And then just getting in that context. Yeah yeah, so
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: but then then I started look at I look at history,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I look at science, you know, I look at like infrastructure,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I'm just trying to look at
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: other categories where I'm seeking information anyway, not super important.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: But not particularly no, but it is fun to all that,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: all right, So book book focus.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we were talking about honor, and then incomes
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a man, a random ass man who turns out to
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: be randol Thor, walking in by himself.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Right, So this message of what comes up and says
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a random man wants to talk to you, and he's like,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: all right, everyone gather around and let's let's decide about
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: how shitty we feel as a team before this random
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: stranger shows up. So that way, the random stranger can
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: show up and completely blow all of that plot completely
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: out of the water and make it meaningless. Let's do
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: that for two pages.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: The thing with Rand showing up in a steading does
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: not feel very like I was like, oh okay, wait,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: he's showing up in the setting where he can't channel,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and he's like making himself vulnerable. This feels very post
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Veins of Gold, right. It doesn't feel like something that paranoid,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: angry Rand would do. It doesn't feel like he nearly
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: bail fires the Borderlanders for asking to meet with him
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in a steading.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: But he's also feeling really reckless and on a time crunch,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm just gonna deal with e Toiraldo,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: so I could see him kind of tunnel visioning. I'm like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to go to him and tell him
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: what's what, and I'll be the end of it. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I agree, it feels like he should have shown up
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: with a ring of maidens with spears at this point.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the hole showing up by himself being trusting.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: That feels very post Veins of Gold right now. It
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: feels like he should be paranoid, angry, you know, demanding
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: they come outside of the stetting to meet with him,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I mean, as we get into in the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Avanda chapter, like the maidens are pissed that he left
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: them behind, and I'm like, I kind of am agreeing
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: with them, Like why would you go somewhere you can't
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: channel without your literal bodyguard?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah? That that decision doesn't make sense to
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: me on a couple of different levels, both in terms
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of like Ran making that decision and also just like
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Rand's paranoia about like where he's meeting with people.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very why would he he trusts I
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Toalda because I Toalda doesn't want to have anything to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: do with him.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe right, Maybe yeah, I I that he's surprising him
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and coming to him. But yeah again I this this
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: feels like it was written to be post Veins of Gold,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: but because timing wise, like, we don't see him be
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: very demanding. He's kind of rational in this one. He's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: like he's supposed to be going over the edge. He's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: supposed to be you know, Darth Rand at his worst
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in this moment, right.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: But instead he convinces I Toalda, who is objectively the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: strongest willed, most clear eyed of the great.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Generals, right right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: You'd think that he'd be because he looks at Rand
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and says, wow, he has Alsalam's eyes. Not he has
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the eyes of a storm cloud packed into the body
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: of a man, right right, Which is the vibe he's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: giving off to literally everyone else for the rest of
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the book.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I know this. This does feel like it's
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: just an out of place scene to me.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it really was written for after and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: then they were like, no, the timeline's fucky, you gotta
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: scoosh it in before theory, it's Demondred and Mask of Mirrors.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's I agree, it feels very out of character.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: He's a general. There's no darkness around him, there's no.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Like Etereralda's a good judge of character, and he doesn't
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: sense that Rand is essentially a serial killer on a
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: short leage.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is like super loose therein. Maybe this is
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: just an entirely loose there in afternoon and like Rand
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is completely in the back of his head sobbing and rocking,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and this is just pure loose therein on point mm hmm.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Because there is that line, right, I remember each of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: them there faces, their mannerisms, the way they speak and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: act is if I've known them for a thousand years,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I remember them better than I remember my own childhood.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I am the dragon reborn. That is such a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: post Veins of Gold line.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also uses the phrase spinning gateways, which
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: is a very lttism, right right, So like it's yeah,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: it feels integrated. It feels like the integrated version.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: This feels like integrated Rand. To me, it feels like
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: an out of place integrated Rand. There's no none of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the indications that we're dealing with darth Rand.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't get mad at a Toeralda for wanting proof.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: He doesn't get angry at the dragon sworn for existing.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: He's so chill, and it might be the chill of
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: being frozen and about tear RUPs. That's clearly what we're
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: supposed to think because of the timeline. But you're right,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: like if this had been in a Veins of a
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: post Veins of Gold section, it would have felt more
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: smooth that I'd never noticed that, But you're so right.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: The whole line about I remember I am the dragon reborn, like, no,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that's not where he is right now, Right now, he's saying,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I am not Lewis Thearren. This is crazy. I'm not
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that crazy man right like I'm gonna die. He's a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: voice in my head, like, yes I have, And he
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: talks about I have some of the memories, but he
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't say I am the you know, like, uh, this
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: is a post Vans of Gold scene.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yep, out of place, yep, nodding, nodding, but you in.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Order to make the timelines work, you know. I think
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: he just had to move it. I think this. I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: bet he originally wrote this as a post fins of
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Gold and moved it forward to deal with recruiting AEDERALDA.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Rand apologizes Ish for bringing the iel in
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and having it not be as effective as he wanted.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Again apologizing Rand pre fans of Gold.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, it'sn't exactly an apology, but it's closer to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: an apology than Darth Rand would ever get with a
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: ten foot pole. But yeah. He talks to Toaldo about
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: his plan with the kidnapping to make the Merchant Council work,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and then he proves that he is, you know, aside
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: from the whole not noticing that Rand is Darth Rand thing.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: He responds very well to the Ashaman proposition. You know, yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Rand says, do you want Ashman? He's like, are they insane?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Rand says, oh, they're pretty good. Terrada thinks about it
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: for like ten seconds, and he's like, yeah, I could
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: do some shit with that. Like it's it's what Rand expected, right,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: that was what Rand was expecting when he Clint's the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: goddamn source and that is.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: A nice little oh yeah, Clanton sources Clean's great, we'll
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: use them, right, And also, I red fighting channelers. I've
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: been doing a lot of thinking about how to fight channelers,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, like, oh, if only I had a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: couple of my own channelers, I could do this and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: this and this. You know, he was thinking that the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: whole time. So of course when Rand says, do you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: want some channelers, He's like, yeah, I made some plans.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't think I'd ever have any, but I made
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: some plans case I did, because that's what he does.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, he's a great captain.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Because he's great captain. So like, love that scene, love
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that interaction, fantastic, Love the way the recruit, Love the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: way he says, do you want some channelers? And andro
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Alla goes, I would salivate over some channelers. I would absolutely.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: His main concern is the madness, and then he just
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: trusts Rand. When Rand says, no, I've I've basically managed
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to contain the damage.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It's not too bad, which again makes more sense if
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: we're post veins of Gold, when he has people just
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: trusting him, right, Like it's just he.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Should be snapping at at Toroalda and saying if it's
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: clean up science clean.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, and should be like fucked. I don't
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: have a choice because I'm penned in and but there's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and there's all this darkness around him. But like, what
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: choice do I have? It's die or joined with the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: dragon reborn?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Right, Like his gut instincts should be screaming at him
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: that Darth Randt is not a stable person and they're not.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: And then he should have no choice because of the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: circumstance he is in and the fact that he is
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: surrounded and he is between a rock and heart place.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: When he talks about they eel in the North, which
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: by the way, we're rands i eel as we skipped
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: over that, but he's like these rumors of ill North,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: those are rands Ideel that he's sending into Damn and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the shan Chan in the South.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the entire pickle is Yeah, it's just it's confusing.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: It's pre veins of gold context with a post veins
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of gold Rand because plot.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And it's hard to see because we're not seeing it
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: from Rand's POV. We're seeing an external POV, so we're
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: not seeing in his head that he's like integrated. But man,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: this is this is an integrated Rand.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, because it's funny because I was reading it
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: doing my notes thinking like it's you know, it's so
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: interesting to see a familiar character through unfamiliar eyes. This
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: is a point I've returned to it again and again, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Rand really does seem a lot
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: more stable on the outside than we know he is
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: on the inside. Like, oh, anyway, skipped the dudeah moved on.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Now you're pointing this out and I'm like, yeah, no, no,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: this is actually just incorrect. It's not that he's holding
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: his shit together. Well, I mean, he does talk to
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: himself a little bit. He does have a little bit
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of the muttering to himself.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see he gets you know, he embraces
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the source and he you know, gets nauseated and shakes
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's the dizziness from nothing like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and that goes away once he's integrated. Right, But like,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: he wasn't even seizing the power around anybody else because
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: he was falling off face first off. He wasn't shaking
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit and feeling a little manacious. He was
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: falling face first off his horse. He was only embracing
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the source in private at this point.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: But again he somehow like can handle it, hold it together.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Slash Trust site to Ralda because he's an absolutely new
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: character with no designs on him, as like an airplane
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: confessional or something like I'm it. Yeah. It feels like
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: they slapped a little aftermarket sickness on a post Fans
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: of Gold scene just to make it just to be like, no, no,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: it's definitely not postmans of Gold see see. And I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: don't know if we're buying it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was originally I think this scene was
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: originally written to be post Fans of Gold. It was
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: relocated and sort of reworked, but not to have a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: few lines in it to make it feel Prebay Veins
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of Gold. But because the writing was the post Veins
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of Gold rand without more changes, I don't think. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I'm speculating right, obviously, right. I don't know this for sure,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: but going through it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Now, D sense is the pattern recognition.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he basically says, if you come with me
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to Saldea, I will, you know, promise to use the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: rest of my troops to free rad demon.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Right, he says, I'll secure your country because he says
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: this war means nothing, which like, first of all, rude,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the shawn shann are terrible. This war does mean something,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: but he says, this war means nothing. You need to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: go guard against the borderlands, and Torata says, absolutely not.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: This war does mean something. My homeland means something. Rand says, fine,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I'll negotiate for your country, but not for anything else,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and you will go to the borderlands and do that instead,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and I Toroto decides that that's an okay compromise, which
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: again makes sense. He's in a rock and a hard place.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: He's not responsible for me. But I just I questioned
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Rand being like, fine, whatever, it doesn't matter. I guess
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: that's just his whole vibe. He doesn't care. He really
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't care about slavery or anything.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's no there's no argument about like, oh
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: but I don't want these people to be enslaved the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: shan Chan. Yeah, I don't know. It's Rand is like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: we need to stop killing each other. We had the
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: last battle coming up, stop it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I would find more compelling if he said
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: it in those terms. I guess he kind of does.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: He does. At one point he says it preaty explicitly,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, fine, but like go make peace
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: with sean Chan. Like I know he's trying to have
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: that meeting with Tuon right, like he's still trying to
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: have them.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: No, this is part of making peace with the shan Chan.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: This is actively part of his strategy to make peace with.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Them, because then he can go to Tuon and say
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I stopped the fight with it Toroalta.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, because they're the biggest problem in San Chan's world.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: So but now he's saying, well, in order to do that,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I got a conference he's doing. He's doing three way
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: diplomacy on top of everything else he's doing, and he's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: not having a little mental breakdown. This so post Fans
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: of Gold.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So speaking of keeping those balls in the air, Sanderson
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: dropped that one. Yeah, well that's what's dropped is like fumbled.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again it's the first book. The whole first
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: book is rough. The earlier in the book we are
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the rougher. It is like we're not critiquing per se.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: We're just pointing out all the mistakes with a fine
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: tooth comb. It's totally different.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, we did say that's kind of what we
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: thought we were gonna end up doing. Here is doing
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of pointing out. The difference is like Sadly,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: these are not going to be as positive episodes as
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the first eleven books.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: But speaking of positive episodes, I do want to get
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: to the next chapter because it's a really cool bubble
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: of evils. So you want to you want to give
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: us a readouts so that we can wrap this on up.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I just I'm so excited that we figured out
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the that I figured out what was bothering me about
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: this chapter because doing the notes, I didn't realize this
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: was a post fans of Gold. But as we talked
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: about it, I was like, No, that's what's bothering me.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: That's what's bothering me about this chapter.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Putting a finger on the thing that's annoying you is
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: half the battle, exactly.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: A promise, then, al Thor said, I will see the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: sean Chan out of arab Domon. I promise you this,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: but we won't fight them away any further than that.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: In exchange, you go to the border lands and protect
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: against an invasion there, hold back the trolocks if they come,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and lend me some of your officers to help secure
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: arab Domon. It'll be easier to restore order if the
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: people see that their own lords are working with me.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Idalda considered, though he knew already what his answer would be,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: that Gateway could spirit his men away from this death trap.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: With a eel on his side, with the dragon reborn
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: as an ally, he really did have a chance of
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: keeping arab Doman secure. An honorable death was a good thing,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: but the ability to keep on fighting with honor, that
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: was a prize far more precious, agreed, Idrada said, holding
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: out his hand. Al Thor took it. Go break camp.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: You're here to be in Saldaea by nightfall.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Nice, very dramatic.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Mmm. Oh and Asalam, Right, the king? Where's the king?
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Not kidnapped by Grendl? Right?
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Correct?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Found by Codswain in Towers of Midnight?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Right, not yet but soon.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: But I couldn't crack down where she found him. She
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: just found him because he wasn't the one who was
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: kidnapped by Elida. I always think he is the one.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, you've been saying that for a bit now.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, Elida kidnapped both.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been saying that she was kidnapped by Alida
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know, I know, because there's been.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Well, Athalon says, both I could believe it was.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Both who's the other one who's kidnapped, because he actually
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: shows up in the White Tower having been kidnapped by Alida.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Matt and Stepaneus of Ilion.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Matt and Stepaneus.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Right while back, you had come up with a whole
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: scenario where they were just waggoning caravanning through like the
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Caroline grass or something for most of the book, and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: that somehow kad Swain found him out there that I
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: remember you coming up with that theory a while back.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean timeline, that's kind of what it worked
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: out to be.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was entirely speculation based on what little
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: information we have. I don't recall us ever finding anything
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: more concrete than spidy senses and pattern recognition.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, So so I'm gonna say, and little gen are
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: helped filling us in. Oh thank you the King of
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: domon who that was an Islam He got stuck in
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the snow and Codswaine found him in the caroline grass.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, right, Yeah, he had travel issues.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And remove from Aradomon after the start of the Civil War.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: By I said, I so not necessarily under the orders
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: of Alida, but tower, I.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Said, I potentially Black Aja.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Potentially yeah, who knows.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: But either way, he didn't go anywhere aside from stuck
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: in the Caroline Grass, which isn't even that far from.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Era demon No, so who knows.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: He got lost in a plot hole.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah he really did, He really did. He just and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the other one made it to the White Tower. So
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: no data, no, no data on that plot hole, no explanation.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has not had his mind melted like wax,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: which is good.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does feel like he just I think it.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the Grendel describes him as not
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: attractive enough to pick up.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, she takes people who are powerful also so,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: but maybe er demand's not powerful enough.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: You gotta be both. I think you have to be
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: a certain level of it. You have to be a
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: certain baseline attractiveness. If you're ugly, she will not take.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: You unless Jane forrestratter.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: That's true, But I feel like he was more. He
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't one of her pets. He was more of a
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: tool that MORI didn't.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Oh. The Legends even got the quote here back in
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: you Up that she specifically says that he's not pretty
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: enough to keep a pet. Mm hm oh but in
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: reality she had no idea where he was. Okay, so
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: she said he wasn't pretty enough to keep, but actually
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: he wasn't located enough to keep.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Ah. So basically, when someone rejects and you go, well,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you weren't attractive enough.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Anyway, something like that, something like that.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: The Grandell version of that is Grendel an incel. Is
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: that what's going on?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's anything but an insull, but.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: The opposite I am.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I'm editing all of this out.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I do. I do think this is not going to
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: be said about Grendall being like there's that opposite of like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of resentment and anger towards the other
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: people and rather and she Grendall would never have a
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: lover because she would never seed control to the other person.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she does not see other people as having
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: any right to their own autonomy, much less access to her.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: And that's where the inceel stuff kind of you.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, feeling entitled to other people's bodies is definitely
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: heavy amount a crossover there.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's it for that chapter. That
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: was more than I thought we were going to do
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: on that chapter.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest, we got pretty well and truly distracted
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: a couple of times. That was good.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: We did, we did, we did? That was a heavy,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: heavy tangents.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, And as a reminder to everyone, I do
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• 56:02
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• 56:11
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• 56:16
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• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Tuesday and Thursday.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Those are the hot days. All right, we'recording.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: So you're back from your little Va Ca.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to Porta Varta in Mexico as my honeymoon, right.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: It was about three months later r I got married.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: If you remember in the timeline, those of you probably, oh,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: we remember, yeah, those are you binging?
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: For you?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It's probably been like five hours, but for some people
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: it's been more like a couple of months. But yeah,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: back in September I got married and we decided to
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: do the honeymoon in January because that is the darkest, rainiest,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: crappiest weather time in Portland and so it was like,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: that's a good time to GTFO and go somewhere that's
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: hot and has nice weather. So yeah, I did my
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: honeymoon this past week. We did a direct flight down
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to Portavarta, which was nice. We had two big events.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: We went scuba diving, which was my big event, and
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: went horseback riding, which was her big event. She was
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: not sure she would like scuba diving, but she thinks
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: she liked it more than the horseback riding. Actually the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: only issue was, you know, some ear pressure that still
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: hasn't gone away totally. So yeah, but we had a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: great time. We saw on the boat ride over to
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the snorkel to the scuba diving place, we saw whales
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and dolphins. We saw a giant turtle. We saw all
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: sorts of fish, blowfit pufferfish, sting rays, no manta raise
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: but stingrays, and just just a bunch of other sort
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: of wildlife off the coast. The horseback riding was fun.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I got to snuggle a horse like so we got
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: back and I started petting a horse and he put
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: his forehead against my chest and for like ten minutes
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I got to scratch a horse's head while he just
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: like put his head against my chest. I think I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: have a photo that'll drop it in chat.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Horses are so like Gary because they're big. Just the
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: sheer size of them is intimidating. But like they're such
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: big dumb goofballs right of them. They're so silly. They're dogs,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: but like they can crush you, right, And I guess.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I just you know, i've been around horses. The few
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: times I've been around horses, they've always just felt like,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they's treat them like a dog.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Small. If you're a small, short person, then horses get
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: progressively scarier. But Seth is not a small person.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and never of course, you know, she's
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: she loves to make friends. So she made friends with
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of different groups at every event we went
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: to and ended up hanging out about with them afterwards.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: You know, she's she's the exact opposite of me, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that she just she can make friends with anybody anytime,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and they love to hang out there, which is great
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: because I get to, you know, be social without any
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: of the effort.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Right exactly, She's just like and this is my husband,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: That's basically how it works.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: She actually she made friends by asking the girl to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: hold her engagement ring while we were scuba diving.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Oh that's good. That's a good way to make friends.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: And I was like, we could just put it with
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: our stuff. She's like, shut up, I know, I'm making friends. Okay.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: It's like she's gamed this out. It's not just like
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: a natural instinct related a little buff, a little buff,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a testic especially.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Dust you're not going to Oh side note, don't put
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: a marijuana cartridge in your luggage that gets checked when
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you go to Mexico. Don't do that. M hmm. Don't
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: do that because if you were to do that hypothetically
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and just you know, because you live in Portland and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you don't even think about twice about it. Hypothetically, if
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: they do find it in your luggage and they say, oh,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: is this nicotine, CBD or marijuana, don't think that CBD
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: is Okay, this.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Is hypothetically very good advice. But now you're back from
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: your honeymoon and you're all sun kissed and ready to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: deal with the rest of January up here.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fortunately, you know it was it was like
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: nice and warm, but it was a little overcast most
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: of our time there, which was fine because we're from
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Portland and we have no protection from the sun whatsoever.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: The vampires exactly right now.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to build up a tant before I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: can really go there and freely. But and I did
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I did get a little burn on the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: top of my head because because I used to have
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: hair there and now I don't, and I didn't sunscreen it,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: and that faded within like two or three days.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: So and so now you're back, you have settled the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: moving date for your house.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, So also in case my life isn't chaotic enough,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the hoa where we currently move live really
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: pissed me off, and so I pulled the trigger on
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: buying a house. It's something I've been planning to do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, and I did it.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I currently own the house as of the day before
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: or we went on our honeymoon. So so now we
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: have to move. We are probably fifty percent sixty percent
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: done with packing at this point, right, Like we're at
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: that stage where almost all the closets are empty, almost
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: all the cabinets are empty, but there's still a lot
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: of kind of stuff out on the counters and then yeah,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: we plan on moving on the twenty seventh. We're gonna
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I'm actually, for the first time of my life, I'm
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: gonna hire movers. I'm too goddamn old. I'm in my forties.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: My shoulder is in all sorts of bad shape, actually
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: both shoulders. I'm going to the doctor soon. I'm not
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: want to get into that. I'm having a joint pain
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: in my elbow and shoulder when I'm picking up things
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that are like a pound.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's doctor time. Yeah, and mover's.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Time and mover's time, right, so and plus my back
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and all like, get of my job's physical. So I'm
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: not gonna count myself to move. So it's like, you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: know what, it's time to hire movers. So the movers
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: are coming on the twenty seventh, but we're gonna, you know,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: all have all the furniture broken apart and everything in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: boxes and everything like that, so I hope to get.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Quick, all right, So I'm guessing that the twenty eighth,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna be available, So.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I probably won't have internet at the new house, and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I won't have any furniture at the old house. So yeah,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not recording on the twenty eighth, So the goals
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna record two episodes today to cover that cap
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully, assuming that we stay on track, which
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: you know us we will not, but we might. We
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: will never know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: But these look like two relatively, I won't say they're
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: good chapters, but they're short and simple. Yeah, yeah, so
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I think the next two episodes are going to be
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: pretty compact.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good writing, but yeah, not too many things happen,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: whereas the chapter after that, which I also prepared notes for,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: so much happens in that chapter that like, I don't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: think we're going to have the brain power left to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: do that today, But that's okay because we still have
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: next week. Because today is the fourteenth, and I can
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: do multiplication by sevens easier than any other numbers. Is
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the cool number.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The men talk is like all the stresses in
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: one year, and I'm like, yeah, absolutely, I'm doing all
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: the hard life things wedding, buying, a house, moving, unfortunately,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: a death in the family with Timber, and that's all
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: not even in just a year really in the last
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: like four months.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should hybrin it. For the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: It's I'm gonna probably want to not do anything except
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: you know, in the new house, where there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of renovations I want to do. You need
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: to rest well and then you know, frankly, you know
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  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna announce it here, but like or not,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: whatever me and never you know, I'm old. We do
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  Speaker 1: plan on having kids, and we don't want to wait
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: because I'm in my forties and like when you start
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: doing the math on that, I don't have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time to start having kid to wait to start
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  Speaker 1: having kids. So it's gonna be like moving to the
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  Speaker 1: new house, do all the renovations I want to do. Oh,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: and she's pregnant hopefully that's you know, as the plan goes.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't taken any concrete steps towards that part of
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  Speaker 1: the of it yet. We're going to like move first
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and do the honeymoon first. She wanted. She was like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to drink on my honeymoon. We're not doing
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  Speaker 1: anything about kids before that. Yeah, but the time is
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  Speaker 1: running out for me to delay.
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  Speaker 2: That, So no, I very much hear you.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing nice thing about my home is that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: there's really no yard. It's really just like a patch
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  Speaker 1: of dirt, little little fenced in patch of dirt in
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  Speaker 1: the back and with some what you call it grass, No,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: no grass, the stuff made out of trees that you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: throw it down on the ground. Yeah that one barkmulsh
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: and the front is just rocks, so oh nice, nice,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: it's pretty. There's no actual yard maintenance, so.
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  Speaker 2: You can choose to put in plants as you want,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: but like you don't have them.
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  Speaker 1: To do exactly off the bat potted plants. That's it's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: really a no yard house. It's it's a it's a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: row home, right, So there's no side yard and the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: front yard in the backyard are both eighteen feet wide.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: That's the width of my plot of land is eight
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: feet it's just not that big, and it's maybe five
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: feet deep right in the backyard. So but that's okay.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It's it's enough to put a table out, and it's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: enough to let the dog out and use the bathroom
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: if you have to, and this and that saves me
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of yard maintenance.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, you can do potted plants or
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: like those trough planters or whatever like to the degree
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: that you want, you know, fresh peppers in the summer,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: and you.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Know maybe someday, maybe someday all on the yard, But
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: do you know this place. Also, there's a bunch of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: parks within like six blocks of me. So I'm not
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: too worried about not having outdoor space.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: You're in Portland, the City of Trees right right, and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: you're in North Portland, which is the part that nothing's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: happening in.
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  Speaker 1: So I am really I am in the the end
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: of the end of North Portland. Like you go up
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: to the ass end of North Portland and then you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: go six more blocks and that's where I am. Right.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: It's pretty low on the urbanity scale. I wonder if
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: you guys are in the tsunami inundation zone.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: We're pretty high up. We're pretty vertical. Yeah, So I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: don't think so, just because like we have some probably
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: like one hundred foot slope that's pretty vertical. Yeah, up
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: to the houses that are across the street from me.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking of the topography, and yeah, it's a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: pretty sharp little promontory that goes out.
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  Speaker 1: Even though we are physically very close to the industry
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of horizontal space, vertically we're pretty far up
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: above it, and that separation has means it's pretty quiet
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and everything like that, but it still give us a
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: nice view of the river.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you a nice view of the tsunami
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: if it ever comes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm as I'm basically at level.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I'm slightly below the Saint John's Bridge where the deck
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: of it is, of.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: The arc of the bridge or the footings.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Where the cars go, right, I'm not that far below
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the cars right like, So, yeah, the tsunami would have
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: come up really fucking high.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably not. Yeah, unless we're having like a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: historic level flood up at the same time.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: But unless it's also taking down like all of Portland
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: right Like, we're at that level where it's like we're
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: we're there's lots of parts of Portland that are lower
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: than we are, even though we're right next to the river.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. Maybe the little island that's stuck up
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: in isolated from everything else while the tsunami is happening
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: and going shit yep.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, No, I'm super excited for my new house.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I'm super excited to have a garage that's actually mine
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: because I currently have a garage, but it's a shared
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: space with my neighbor, so I can't like do a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: lot with it. Yeah yeah, and uh, you know, just
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: get any dog I want, right, I'm so sick of
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Hoa's telling me what kind of pets I can have.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I need a dog. I'm going to have
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: a dog.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: You're a dog guy, you need a dog.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a dog guy, right, Like I missed. I missed
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: the hell out of Timber, but I missed that he
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: lot of like walking him in the mornings and the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: routine that I had, and like the dog, like just
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: the having of a dog, right. I know dog people
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: will get it.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all that to be said. Sorry guys about that.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I think you've already has done an amazing job of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: evening out the release against schedule so that we actually
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: have episodes coming out. I think we've only missed one
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: week for the holidays, despite my erratic scheduling of my
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: own ability to record.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: The holidays and switching books. You know, there's a lot
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: of space. I was able to just be like, no,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to justify a gap here.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: And you know, you keep showing up to do the recordings,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: so I'm able to put them out and that's important, right.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I mostly managed to fit them in
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: despite life being chaotic. It's a nice little anchor spot
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: for me. It's a nice little like Nope, this is
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: something I'm doing.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's good stuff. And speaking of it being good,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: should we do it?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's get into it. Thanks for listening to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: me talking about my life for a while. It's a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: lot going on.
• 1:09:50
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