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The Kenny Report | 17 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks ed, thanks for joining
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  Speaker 2: me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen turns up at the National Press Club, tackles
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  Speaker 3: the mediahead on and lays out her blueprint for the nation.
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  Speaker 3: With One Nation leading the polls nationally, I'll be joined
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  Speaker 3: by former Deputy Prime Minister and now One.
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  Speaker 2: Nation MP Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump takes issue with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Attanyahu
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  Speaker 3: as preparations continue for a peace deal with Iran. But
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  Speaker 3: now even Hillary Clinton is hailing President Trump's plans for
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  Speaker 3: peace in Gaza. More calls for Keirs Starmer to leave
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  Speaker 3: Number ten Downing Street across to Esther Kraku in the UK,
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  Speaker 3: and Justin Smith and Jamie Johnston in the wrangle as
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  Speaker 3: taxpayers money goes to China through renewables energy projects, let's
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  Speaker 3: get cracking. After thirty years in politics, years of creating
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  Speaker 3: controversy in the national debate, the national capital and the
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  Speaker 3: national media, Pauline Hansen finally turned up at the National
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  Speaker 3: Press Club today to make a speech. Hanson first went
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  Speaker 3: to Canberra as a little known disendorsed Liberal, elected as
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  Speaker 3: an independent, she turned up today as the political juggernaut,
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  Speaker 3: upending politics around the country, out polling both liberal and
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  Speaker 3: labor nationally. So what's the big deal about the National
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  Speaker 3: Press Club and why? Well, as I've said many times,
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  Speaker 3: the National Press Club is the home ground of the
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  Speaker 3: political left. The National Press Gallery is overwhelmingly green left.
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  Speaker 3: It loathes conservatives and is especially antagonistic towards Hanson and
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  Speaker 3: one Nation.
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  Speaker 2: Coincidentally, it's state of origin tonight. So Pauline Hanson at
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  Speaker 2: the Press Club is a bit like this.
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  Speaker 4: Taska that is the most unlikely combat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the Queensland Senators Maron's playing origin at
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  Speaker 3: home bush. For Hanson, the Press Club is a hostile crowd.
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  Speaker 3: But today's event started a little differently to a major
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  Speaker 3: sporting event.
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  Speaker 5: Don't expect a device of welcome to country from me.
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  Speaker 5: This beautiful country belongs to all Australians born here and
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  Speaker 5: those who have come to join us.
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  Speaker 3: And if you doubt the home ground analogy, have a
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  Speaker 3: look at this. An anti Hansen poster was unfilled early
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  Speaker 3: in her speech. The National Press Club claimed no knowledge,
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  Speaker 3: get up claimed responsibility. But how could this be allowed
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  Speaker 3: to happen? How could the Press Club be so slack
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  Speaker 3: about security at such a highly anticipated event.
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  Speaker 2: It was an appalling lapse.
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  Speaker 3: Still, Hanson was on and she wasn't afraid to get
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  Speaker 3: a little bit prickly inside the camera bubble.
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  Speaker 6: And camera cops. A lot of criticism from conservatives. You've
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  Speaker 6: spent a lot of time here in your career. How
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  Speaker 6: do you rate our nation's capital.
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  Speaker 5: I try to keep out of it as much as
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  Speaker 5: I possibly can.
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  Speaker 3: On more serious and probing questions, the most popular politician
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  Speaker 3: in the country went on the counter attack.
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  Speaker 7: Taxpayers are paying more than one hundred and fifty thousand
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  Speaker 7: dollars a year for your daughter Lee Hanson to seemingly
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  Speaker 7: campaign full time in Tasmania while employee is a political
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  Speaker 7: advisor for a new South Wales senator. Did you have
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  Speaker 7: any role in appointing her to that position?
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, you never give up. I've never seen a person
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  Speaker 5: that's at such a trashy journalist, you know, and what
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  Speaker 5: you put out all the time. You've got this obsession
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  Speaker 5: with constantly trying to pull down myself, my party or
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  Speaker 5: missus Reinhart. Whatever you do, you will be banned from
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  Speaker 5: my answering. I'll answer you this question one day, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you now don't come near me for an
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  Speaker 5: interview in future because of twenty five of your articles.
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  Speaker 5: It's always twenty eight articles. Is constantly bashing one nation.
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  Speaker 5: You don't research properly, you don't know your information, and
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  Speaker 5: you will put out lies about me. Well, I've had
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  Speaker 5: enough of that, but I'll tell you that, no, she didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't get her that job. She got the job
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  Speaker 5: on her own merits.
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  Speaker 3: And after promising to make the ABC a subscription service
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  Speaker 3: and to acts SBS altogether, Anson used some pretty direct
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  Speaker 3: language with the SBS reporter.
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  Speaker 8: I'm talking about in sixty languages don't help people integrate
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  Speaker 8: into Australia.
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  Speaker 5: But look, I can understand your question. You're going to
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  Speaker 5: be without a job.
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  Speaker 6: I can understand that.
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  Speaker 3: Earlier in her long and wide ranging speech, Hanson started
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  Speaker 3: with what shortly is that the to her three decades
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  Speaker 3: long overnight success.
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  Speaker 5: My overriding concern and that of the people I talk to,
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  Speaker 5: is that politicians today are good at talking but not listening.
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  Speaker 5: They will do anything to get your vote, but when
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  Speaker 5: that has been achieved, the voter is ignored, The public
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  Speaker 5: are second tied, are being ignored.
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  Speaker 3: Fundamental to Hanson's resurgence over the past two years has
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  Speaker 3: been record immigration under labor, fueling a housing crisis, as
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  Speaker 3: well as pressure on hospitals, schools and infrastructure.
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  Speaker 5: A total of more than one point nine million people
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  Speaker 5: arrived in Australia from mid twenty twenty two to mid
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. Undeniably, immigration or immigration policy has our
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  Speaker 5: country in the state of crisis. At the center of
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  Speaker 5: this crisis is the utterly flow policy of multiculturalism. We
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  Speaker 5: cannot be a multicultural society.
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  Speaker 6: We are a multi.
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  Speaker 5: Racial society, but we must be mono cultural and.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to social cohesion, being under siege anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 3: Islamist extremism and terrorism. Hansen says what most Australians surely think,
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  Speaker 3: and it provides a stark contrast to a government where
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  Speaker 3: the insipid Prime Minister won't even utter the words radical
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  Speaker 3: Islam or Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 5: It's time we woke up. Western civilization and its values
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  Speaker 5: are under siege. The people to whom I speak are
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  Speaker 5: fed up with hate preachers in some Sydney mosques. If
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  Speaker 5: they hate this country, they should be told to leave.
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  Speaker 5: It's why my policy will restrict immigrants from places immersed
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  Speaker 5: in extremism like radical Islam, because that's what most Astrands want,
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  Speaker 5: especially after Bondi and the return of Isis Bride terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: There is no doubt Hanson has changed the national debate
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  Speaker 3: and the policies of the major parties. The Coalition has
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  Speaker 3: toughened up on zero and immigration already.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always listening and that's why my policy to slash
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  Speaker 5: immigration reflects what most Australians want. The press might consider
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  Speaker 5: reflecting on this and better consider why more Australians trust
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  Speaker 5: one nation on immigration policy than anyone else. The story
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  Speaker 5: is simple. My views haven't changed. Other political parties are
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  Speaker 5: simply following me.
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  Speaker 3: Hanson also had a strong message for the journalists in
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  Speaker 3: the room and the media generally.
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  Speaker 5: To you, media may offer some advice, you have to
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  Speaker 5: earn the trust of the istrange people. I am confident
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  Speaker 5: I can. Can the media say the same thing. Many
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  Speaker 5: see you as part of the problem in some respects.
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  Speaker 6: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: The questions today were pretty interesting, not as much of
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  Speaker 3: the smart assery or sneering that we might have expected.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the queries tried to catch Hanson out on
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  Speaker 3: policy or at least flesh out more detail on policy,
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  Speaker 3: but overall the exchange did emphasize how the media is
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  Speaker 3: far less in touch with mainstream priorities than Hansen is herself.
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  Speaker 9: A simple question for you, reflecting in your speech, your
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  Speaker 9: comments about migration and multiculturalism and what have you, is
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  Speaker 9: Australia in danger of being swamped by Muslim migration?
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  Speaker 10: Not?
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  Speaker 5: If I got any saying it, won't think.
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  Speaker 9: You think that's happening now, though, Senator.
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  Speaker 3: It was an impressive performance from a woman who, unbelievably
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  Speaker 3: is even being talked about now as a future prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: She's in the Senate with no plan yet to switch
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  Speaker 3: to the lower house. She has a former Deputy Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister on site and in the House, a novice MP
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  Speaker 3: in the House as well, and a couple of other senators,
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  Speaker 3: none with ministerial experience. Who would be her treasurer, who
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  Speaker 3: would handle foreign affairs, who would run health, education and defense?
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  Speaker 3: All unknowns, people not even elected to Parliament yet, not
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  Speaker 3: even chosen as One Nation candidates. Yet it all seems
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  Speaker 3: so fanciful and so problematic. But Hansen was not getting
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  Speaker 3: ahead of herself.
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  Speaker 5: It is still hypothetical, which if we're going to get there,
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  Speaker 5: and I've got to prove myself to the strand people
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  Speaker 5: that we can actually do it. And I acknowledge that,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not going to say yes, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: be government. There's a lot of work to be done.
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  Speaker 2: These are extraordinary times.
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  Speaker 3: And even with Anthony Albani is he throwing out billions
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  Speaker 3: more of taxpayers dollars to boost wages for childcare workers. Today,
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  Speaker 3: Hansen was the big story. One Nation was setting the agenda.
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  Speaker 11: I'll leave that to the media. I'll be watching the
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  Speaker 11: State of Origin tonight and I'm sure that will be
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  Speaker 11: much more fulfilling.
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  Speaker 12: What we need is a credible plan. Scrutiny matters, and frankly,
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  Speaker 12: one nation is yet to give this country a credible plan.
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  Speaker 3: But you see, when both major parties attack one nation,
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  Speaker 3: it only fuels Hanson's uniparty narrative.
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  Speaker 2: For now, all this criticism is wind beneath her wings.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, while we're on significant media appearances, let's check in
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  Speaker 3: on the Prime Minister. I mean and his ministers never
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  Speaker 3: turn up here for any interviews.
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  Speaker 2: They prefer their.
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  Speaker 3: ABC and SBS, And last night the PM turned up
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  Speaker 3: on SBS on a sports show a World Cup soccer show.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I showed you yesterday how he donned the
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  Speaker 3: soccer's strip in a desperate bid to hitch himself to
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  Speaker 3: their bandwagon.
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  Speaker 2: And last night he found another top in the wardrobe.
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  Speaker 2: Can you please it?
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  Speaker 12: Welcome the Prime Minister of Australia, Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be here. It's amazing. A crowd of thousands.
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  Speaker 2: We call it our starting eleven.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Olbo went on to say the country needs this, that is,
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  Speaker 3: it needs the World Cup. I guess he means the
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  Speaker 3: country needs this to distract from the housing crisis, energy crisis,
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  Speaker 3: budget crisis and cost of living crisis. He's presiding over it.
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  Speaker 3: Then he made a Freudian slip.
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  Speaker 2: I watch the Lodge and true story.
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  Speaker 3: True story is the liar from the lodge so aware
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  Speaker 3: of his reputation for mistruths now that he has to
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  Speaker 3: insist he's telling the truth, even about how and when
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  Speaker 3: he watched the soccer.
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  Speaker 2: The conversation went on to rewarding the players.
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  Speaker 13: The guy that.
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  Speaker 9: Scored the goalf for guitar, I think he's getting something
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  Speaker 9: like three million dollars and a.
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  Speaker 2: Santra has that.
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  Speaker 9: But if we win the World Cup Prime Minister, what
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  Speaker 9: will those players receive a.
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  Speaker 1: Big thank you from a.
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  Speaker 3: Well better than that, The Australian players can look forward
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  Speaker 3: to not being allowed to invest in real estate through
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  Speaker 3: negatively gearing properties. It was good enough to help Albo
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  Speaker 3: get his multi million dollar beach house, but after Albo
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  Speaker 3: broke his promus, it's not going to be allowed for
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  Speaker 3: them unless on new builds.
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  Speaker 2: And thanks to another.
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  Speaker 3: Broken promise, they'll also pay higher taxes on any capital
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  Speaker 3: gains they make. Perhaps they'll move to Qatar. As for
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  Speaker 3: the PM, his mind is elsewhere too.
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  Speaker 11: Gee, I'd love to be there now, I've got to say, wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: It have been great? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: The best, the best Vancouver.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the PM hardly needs to tell Australians he'd love
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  Speaker 3: to be overseas.
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  Speaker 1: They've seen Airbus albow inaction for a while now.
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  Speaker 3: After you've broken faith with voters, after you've torn up
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  Speaker 3: your political contract with them, it takes a little more
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  Speaker 3: than goofy sports shower performances to turn things around. Let's
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  Speaker 3: catch up now with One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce. He's
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  Speaker 3: arrived in Sydney after being at the National Press Club today.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us Barnaby was that a one off?
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  Speaker 1: Four?
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  Speaker 3: Can we expect to see Pauline Hansen as a regular
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  Speaker 3: at the Press Club.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know about a regular, but I think Pauling
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  Speaker 10: did very well. She played it straight. There was a
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  Speaker 10: bit of media in music there, like when the.
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  Speaker 14: Bounces come in, and she suddenly held her own in
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  Speaker 14: the questioning, which was quite substantial when a lot longer
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  Speaker 14: than one would expect. The speech was well rounded, There's
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  Speaker 14: no doubt about it. People left with messages, they left
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  Speaker 14: with a feeling, they left with a clear idea of
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  Speaker 14: what one nation was about and so and one of
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  Speaker 14: the most well attended and demonstrated press conferences I could be.
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  Speaker 14: And I remember in the middle of it we had
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  Speaker 14: to get up antics, which are really quite dangerous because
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  Speaker 14: if they were successful and being able to do that,
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  Speaker 14: then what if someone decided to put a bomb in
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  Speaker 14: there and could get away with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say that.
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  Speaker 3: I'll come back to the speech in a moment, because
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  Speaker 3: that is absolutely I mean, there was a it was
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  Speaker 3: a political stunt.
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  Speaker 2: It never should have happened.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the key point when we see some
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  Speaker 3: of the threats around politics at the moment that someone
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  Speaker 3: was able to get in and do that undetected is
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  Speaker 3: a massive security breach. And the National Press Club not
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  Speaker 3: to mention AFP and others involved or to be questioned
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  Speaker 3: about that, shouldn't.
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  Speaker 10: They Yeah, well there are a lot of people.
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  Speaker 14: Security people there jumped to their feet because they thought.
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  Speaker 10: Well, hang on, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 14: If someone can manage to go and the imagine they
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  Speaker 14: went in there at night and set it up so
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  Speaker 14: they're in there at night, they're undetected and they could
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  Speaker 14: operate it remotely without anybody knowing about it. That this
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  Speaker 14: is a real concern. Let's even the outside the political fence,
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  Speaker 14: Prime ministers there could have been someone will watch that
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  Speaker 14: and say, Chris will hang on, there's an idea, that's
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  Speaker 14: how you do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great worry. Well let's get back to
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  Speaker 3: what's been going on there. With the speech, they just
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  Speaker 3: to look it was a long speech, but then there
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  Speaker 3: was an extended period of question and answer, so it
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  Speaker 3: went much longer than most of these appearances went. Pauline
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  Speaker 3: Hansen was willing to take on her critics face to face,
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  Speaker 3: very strong focus on immigration and also tackling Islamistic extremism,
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  Speaker 3: presumably these are issues that are resonating right around the
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  Speaker 3: country and the key to your soaring in the polls.
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  Speaker 14: And also housing and dealing with issues and not being
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  Speaker 14: trying to wrap them up in sort of wink, we're nod, nod,
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  Speaker 14: it's sort of.
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  Speaker 10: Nuances. So you think that you all your supporters.
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  Speaker 14: Understand what you're saying and you're not going to upset
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  Speaker 14: anybody else.
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  Speaker 10: That is not the Pauline style.
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  Speaker 14: It's straight down the middle of the wicket and straight
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  Speaker 14: at you. What we've seen is quite obviously people have
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  Speaker 14: a real concern about a change in the social structure
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  Speaker 14: of Australia in such a.
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  Speaker 10: Form that it doesn't represent the.
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  Speaker 14: Country that our parents and our grandparents bestowed to us,
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  Speaker 14: and that if you've got to be politically uncorrected incorrect
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  Speaker 14: to deal with it, well then that's precisely to do.
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  Speaker 14: And she brought up the issue about isn'mus and what
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  Speaker 14: we are seeing now in Europe and you have to
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  Speaker 14: look at Europe, you have to look at what's happening
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  Speaker 14: in England and France and Holland and Italy, because otherwise
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  Speaker 14: you're just blind to the problem and you'll inevitably repeat
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  Speaker 14: it and we just cannot afford to do that.
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  Speaker 10: In Australia.
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  Speaker 14: It is incumbent upon us to respect the nation that
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  Speaker 14: we have and hand it on to our children in
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  Speaker 14: the same, at least or better form than as.
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  Speaker 10: It came to us. And after BONDI, that's quite apparent.
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  Speaker 10: It's not happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look out, we have a Prime Minister who won't
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  Speaker 1: even out of the words is altamist, extremism or radical Islam.
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  Speaker 2: That's how scared he is of the issue. It's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: It's an abrogation of his responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: But this idea of one nation being able to being
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  Speaker 3: prepared to say what people think was something that Pauline
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  Speaker 3: actually tackled directly in her speech.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look.
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  Speaker 5: Many people feel that they can't indulge that essential austran
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  Speaker 5: characteristic of speaking out and speaking up because the risk
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  Speaker 5: of speaking art out is simply too great. They feel
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  Speaker 5: demonized and condescended and they're mad as hell about it.
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  Speaker 2: They're mad as hell.
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  Speaker 3: The old the news news Front was the movie news
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  Speaker 3: front to slogan on mad as hell, and they're going
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  Speaker 3: to do something about it.
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  Speaker 2: But this is critical.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just quickly go through some of the polling numbers.
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  Speaker 3: You would have seen these today, Barnaby. The Sky News
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  Speaker 3: Pulse survey shows One Nation still leading Labor and the
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  Speaker 3: Coalition nationally on twenty eight percent, and also very interesting
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  Speaker 3: numbers where we've got fifty percent of the population saying
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  Speaker 3: that one nation is ready to govern. Now, now that's
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  Speaker 3: incredibly flattering, isn't it. But you would know better than
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  Speaker 3: most as a former deputy prime minister, that you're nowhere
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  Speaker 3: near being ready to govern. I mean, who would be
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  Speaker 3: your treasurer, your foreign minister? How would you fill all
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  Speaker 3: these positions? Where are you going to get this talent
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  Speaker 3: from and where are they going to get the experience
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  Speaker 3: and send time to govern?
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  Speaker 14: Well, first of all, there's no election tomorrow and we're
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  Speaker 14: not going to get full of ourselves and start talking
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  Speaker 14: about well this is when we govern and this is
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  Speaker 14: going to be what we are doing. We're going to
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  Speaker 14: work on the here and now, not but then and later.
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  Speaker 14: I am the treasury spokesman for one Nation and of
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  Speaker 14: course you'll see more of that role as we roll
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  Speaker 14: it out as a form not formal current. As an accountant,
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  Speaker 14: former fellows the CPA Australia, having worked in tax cost
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  Speaker 14: finance for multinationals and for small firms across our across
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  Speaker 14: the spectrum. Have had my own business and accountancy and
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  Speaker 14: also still running the family business, which is cattle enterprise.
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  Speaker 14: I think I've got some training in how to do it,
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  Speaker 14: more so than most others, to be quite frank, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 14: you know, people like David Farley obviously experience and agrid
• 19:54
  Speaker 14: cold from water and business is quite exceptional. But you're
• 19:57
  Speaker 14: right what we will be doing, Chris as we are
• 20:00
  Speaker 14: and we do have a suite of other people who
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: will come in hopefully with successful election, with extensive skill sets.
• 20:07
  Speaker 14: Not going to go through them. But we are not
• 20:09
  Speaker 14: blind to this issue. We're working towards it. And you
• 20:13
  Speaker 14: must have the competency, the support structure around you which
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: you take counsel from and you take guidance from. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: that is a big part about being a politician. It's
• 20:23
  Speaker 14: not being at all yourself, but having as you were
• 20:26
  Speaker 14: yourself you know very well, being formerly part of that
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: back room team that gives the guidance to the boss
• 20:33
  Speaker 14: to do the best job that they can. Unfortunately have
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: bereft of support from the government moment. They have close
• 20:40
  Speaker 14: to five hundred support staff that coalition has close to one hundred.
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: We have two or four or something.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: James must be the busiest man in the country, I suppose,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: outside the politicians themselves.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Just on this, I want to show you how spooked
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Labor is.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: We know about the.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Fire the Layer campaign coming on the back of a
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Labor Party fundraising and I here's a text I've been
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: sending out to supporters today saying that they want to
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: be upfront that a threat of a one nation and
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: coalition government. Now they're now talking about one nation the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: coalition getting together to form government and they're using that
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: to spruit again for donations. So they realized that this
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: is not just a problem for the coalition that you
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: were taking votes from Labor.
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: Well, you know, it was the stroke of genius by
• 21:27
  Speaker 14: the Labor Party that inspired our crowdfunding.
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: A proposal which was incredibly successful.
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: And I don't know what the Labor Party raised, maybe
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: twenty thousand dollars or maybe a little bit more, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: they'll never tell us because they're pretty embarrassed at it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: But the big thing about the money we wrote we raised, Chris,
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: was not so much the amount was the support representative
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: across Australia that people wanted to buy into the political
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: challenge that is before one nation and before our nation,
• 21:55
  Speaker 14: and they're willing to put the hand in the pocket
• 21:57
  Speaker 14: to be part of it. And that's what I took
• 21:59
  Speaker 14: out of that. Now the Prime Minister has decided that
• 22:02
  Speaker 14: at church will be three plates going around, one for
• 22:05
  Speaker 14: the parish, one for the priest and one for Anthony Albernezi.
• 22:10
  Speaker 14: There will be one one that rattles and one that's silent,
• 22:13
  Speaker 14: and there'll be his one.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Barnaby, good luck to your Maron's in the state of
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: origin tonight. But certainly Pauline Hanson pulled off a blinder
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: on the left's home ground today. Look forward to catching
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: up with you again, Barnaby Joyce there in Sydney. He
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: spent the day in Canberra at the National Press Club
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: supporting his leader, Pauline Hanson. Listener, now go to Melissa Macintosh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: who's the shadow Indie I Minister joins us from the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Liberal Party in Sydney.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Melissa, thanks for joining us.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Did you sit and watch the Press Club event today?
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on, Chris.
• 22:52
  Speaker 15: It's absolutely fine that Pauline was down talking to journalists.
• 22:56
  Speaker 15: I was out in my community today. So I didn't
• 22:59
  Speaker 15: see her club speech, but I was at a food
• 23:01
  Speaker 15: bank and I can tell you what things are really
• 23:04
  Speaker 15: tough out there. This particular food bank told me they're
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: feeding twenty five thousand people across my patch every single week.
• 23:12
  Speaker 15: Twenty five thousand people needing a food bank.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: It's extraordinary. And these people I saw them today.
• 23:17
  Speaker 15: There was a woman who was thirty one weeks pregnant
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: and it breaks my heart to see that this woman
• 23:23
  Speaker 15: coming in and she's got two other little children needing
• 23:26
  Speaker 15: food to survive.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Well, this is one of the issues.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: At this food bank said to.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Me, sorry to talk have you, there's a bit of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a delay there.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I was going to say.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: This is one of the issues that Pauline Hanson focused
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: on in her speech. She mentioned that something like a
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: third of Australian parents have admitted sending their kids to
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: school hungry. The families are actually struggling to feed themselves.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: These a real issues and she's obviously striking a chord
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: with voters on those issues in the way that the
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Coalition hasn't been doing.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 23:56
  Speaker 15: And that's how I get to hear from people in
• 23:59
  Speaker 15: my community.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: And I'm grateful I was there today there was a
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: whole lot.
• 24:02
  Speaker 15: Of volunteers packing lunches, making sandwiches for kids.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: The amount of kids that are going to.
• 24:08
  Speaker 15: School right now not getting breakfast and not getting lunch.
• 24:12
  Speaker 15: The volunteers told me some kids have had a whole
• 24:16
  Speaker 15: day without eating, and then they go to school and
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: they can't concentrate, and then we see all these behavioral
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: issues in our schools purely because kids aren't getting fed.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: It is just not on what is going on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 15: In this country when our kids are going to school unfed,
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: When thirty one week old, thirty one week pregnant women
• 24:34
  Speaker 15: are lining up at food banks and duwel income families
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: are having to go to food banks.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So what's the problem here?
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Is it energy crisis and not listening to.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Is it inflation and interest rates or energy prices?
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: Yep, it's everything coming head on at people. Every time
• 24:51
  Speaker 15: they feel like they're going to get ahead, make another step,
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: they get smashed down by high energy prices.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: Deciding whether they even can have a roof over their
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: head now.
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: One of the gentlemen said to me, it's not the
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: working poor now. Is working homeless people are living homeless,
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: lining up with these food banks, yet going to work
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: the next day, yet they don't.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Have a roof over their heads.
• 25:16
  Speaker 15: So this is what I saw in my community today
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: and that's why people are screaming out to be listened to.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: And every single.
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: Policy this government is pushing on to the Australian people
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: is not making.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Things better for them. It's making it absolutely worse.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Now, the key point here is that these concerns that
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you talk about are exactly what Pauline Hanson's been focusing
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: on today. Also, the sense that voters are not being
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: listened to. She's very strong on that and I think
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: it's part of a key part her to her success,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: a key factor in that. Yet, here's what your leader,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor had to say today.
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: What we need is a credible plan. Scrutiny matters, and frankly,
• 25:58
  Speaker 12: One Nation is yet to give this country a credible plan.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Isn't this a problem here where you've got the liberals
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: attacking one nation, where you're actually arguing many of the
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: same points and you need to coordinate your attacks on
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: behalf of the Australian voters and against the government rather
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: than be squabbling amongst yourselves.
• 26:21
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well, One Nation's policies are their policies and I'm
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: sure as time goes on we'll get into more of
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: the detail, but I have to tell you being out
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: in my community, we do need policies that lift people
• 26:35
  Speaker 15: up again. I also spoke to small businesses today and
• 26:39
  Speaker 15: they're not rich people. They're people that have worked so
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: hard all their lives and they've built their businesses they
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: wanted to sell it on and now they're going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 15: get hit with these high small business taxes. I spoke
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: to an older woman at the local Penrith plaza and.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: She's really upset.
• 26:55
  Speaker 15: She's paid for health insurance and over sixty five.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Now they cut to the ebates and.
• 27:00
  Speaker 15: She said, well, I need like a knee operation.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: This was going to help with that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 15: Like, these are real life issues for real life Australians
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: and the Labor government is pushing them down and they
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Melissa, I can see you backing the Blues in tonight.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Good on you.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I'll be backing them too. I think everyone wants the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Blues win in Melbourne so that we go to a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: decider and Queens and yeah, thanks for joining us.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Melissa, Macintosh, the Liberal MP in Western Sydney and she's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the shadow Ndis Minister.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a breakdown on the other.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Side, Donald Trump taking issue with Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminetta,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: who has those preparations continue to sign a peace deal
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: with Iran. Tom Switzer will join me. I want to
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: just first bring you up to date with some breaking news.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I told you at the top of the program about
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the poster that was unfilled as Pauline Hanson spoke at
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: the National Press Club today. Just heard Barnaby Joyce talking
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: about the security implications of this. This National Press Club
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: has now put out a statement. They say that they
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: can confirm the incident to disrupt the address was undertaken
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: by third parties. No club personnel or club contractors had
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: any involvement in this matter, says the National Press Club,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: and they've referred the relevant footage and other evidence to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the Australian Federal Police for further investigation. The organization get
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Up is claiming credit for the stunt. The get Up
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: representative at the address was David Chaaz. We all know him,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the husband of Britney Higgins. He was there at the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: time of writing we understand he is yet to be
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: interviewed by the AFP. Says the National Press Club, it
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: appears that two persons entered the club building yesterday afternoon
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: without permission and installed a separate drop down screen in
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: front of.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Their media wall.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: It is evident that a further person present during the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: address activated a remote device to trigger the unfurling of
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: the coiled banner. David Sharaz has been seen filming the
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: incident on his phone. After the banner had lowered, he
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: left abruptly. We understand that this is like the form
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: part of the AFP investigation.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: When the investigation has.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Concluded, the club will consider its legal options against the perpetrators,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: including recovering costs for the significant damage to the media
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: wall and light box. The club sincerely apologizes to set
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: it the Hansen for the incident.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I think we've got a photo with David Sharaz there
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: at the event today. He's mentioned in this statement by
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the National Press Club. The Press Club obviously very keen
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: to demonstrate that it is angry about this, that it
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: had nothing to do with this, and that it fully
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: supports and will cooperate with the Australian Federal Police inquiry.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Now let's get onto other matters, and Donald Trump has
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: launched a scathing attack on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettnahu
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: at the G seven have a listen.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Without doing not there would be no Israel. Without me,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: there would be no Israel because no other president was
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: willing to do what I did. I've had a great
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: relationship with BIB, but now BB has to be more
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: responsible with respect to Lebana.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Well, let's discuss these latest developments with Tom Switzer, columnists
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: with The Australian here on the desk with me. Thanks
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: for joining us, Tom, Chris. So we talked about Iran
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: on this conflict for so long. Now there's to be
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: a deal of some kind signed in Geneva on Friday.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: We understand. But this makes clear.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Now that Benjamin Netna, who's not happy with it, that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump hasn't finished the job.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump is saying that's enough, we'll get it in. Look.
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: Israel and America, as you well know, Chris, have had
• 30:45
  Speaker 16: very close relations since the creation of the Jewish State
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: in nineteen forty eight. However, on this issue of shutting
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: down the wall, Trump and Nanna who have fundamentally incompatible goals.
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: I mean, Trump is facing all sorts of pressure at
• 30:59
  Speaker 16: home to shut the war down. Netnyahu has unfinished business
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: with Hesblah, which of course is Iran's proxy state.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Well let's go to Hesbela first, because obviously Hesbelah continues
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to attack Israel. Fire rockets into Israel from southern Lebanon,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and of course Israel wants to finish off Hesbela there.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: But listen to Donald Trump and his thoughts on that Israel's.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Fading Hazela too long and too many people are being killed.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: And you don't have to knock down an apartment house
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: every time you're looking for somebody, because there are a
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: lot of people in those apartment houses and they're not
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: all Hasbela that they can turn you.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So now, even Donald Trump criticizing Israel's approach.
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: Look, I think if you look at all the polling
• 31:42
  Speaker 16: evidence in the United States, particularly among younger Democrats and
• 31:46
  Speaker 16: younger Republicans, there has been a sea change of opinion
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: against Israel. I think Trump probably recognizes that, but he's
• 31:54
  Speaker 16: more importantly worried about the Iran war. He wants to
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: shut it down, and this week. He has shown he
• 32:00
  Speaker 16: will go to great lengths to shut it down and
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: he doesn't want anyone to get in the way.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: But that's the point here, isn't it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Because the aims that he outlined about getting rid of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the nuclear capacity, about making sure Iran could no longer
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: run its proxies through Hesblahamas, the Hutis, and also getting
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: rid of the regime.
• 32:17
  Speaker 16: And the ballistic missiles.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Hasn't achieved any of those, and he is caving into
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: political pressure rather than the reality of the security interests.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And he's caving into political and as you have outlined
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in the Australian economic pressure.
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. What's happening here is
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: that I think that the architects of this, these strikes
• 32:38
  Speaker 16: on Iran on February twenty eight, they underestimated Iran's capacity
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: to hit back, not just with the strait of Horn
• 32:46
  Speaker 16: moves because that was always wargamed, but through the power
• 32:49
  Speaker 16: of their ballistic missiles. They've been able to intimidate America's
• 32:53
  Speaker 16: Sunni Gulf states and hit at the Saudis. That Katari's
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: their energy infrastructure that scares the believing Jesus out of
• 33:01
  Speaker 16: Donald Trump, who wants to shut the war down lest
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: there be a global recession.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but doesn't this leave us in an even worse
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: position because Iran will be in bolden, the Islamist extremist
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: mullers who run the joint will be locked in power,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and there's the potential for the nuclear weapons program to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: be revived conceivably.
• 33:21
  Speaker 16: I mean, let's remember Iran has been battered in Bruce.
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: They've lost the Eye Tyler, and they've lost a lot
• 33:27
  Speaker 16: of senior political, military, and intelligence figures, and their economy
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: is reeling. And yes, they have a degree of leverage
• 33:36
  Speaker 16: with the straightupfull moves, as we've discussed on this program
• 33:38
  Speaker 16: time and again. But of course the Americans also have
• 33:41
  Speaker 16: a degree of leverage with respect to sanctions relief. The
• 33:44
  Speaker 16: Iranians desperately want sanctions relief that will require congressional authorization,
• 33:49
  Speaker 16: so the Americans still have a bit of leverage here.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: The good news for Donald Trump, quite surprisingly is down
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: in Gaza. Now Gaza that the eyes are off Gaza
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: at the moment, but obviously the focus there was on
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: rebuilding Gaza and allowing the people in Gaza to get
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: their lives back together. Some of it's still controlled by
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: elements of Hummus. But none other than Hillary Clinton has
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: supported Donald Trump's plans for Gaza.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: Trump's twenty point plan for Gaza is actually a pathway
• 34:25
  Speaker 17: to security for Israel, reconstruction for Gaza, and the possibility
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: of self determination, however defined for the Palestinians. There are
• 34:41
  Speaker 17: a lot of people who rejected because Trump did it,
• 34:46
  Speaker 17: but it's the only game in town.
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: Extraordinary stuff was odd political bedfellows. But look, remember every
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: president since George H. W. Bush has been committed to
• 34:58
  Speaker 16: through the Oslo process a two state solution, including her husband,
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: Bill Clinton. Remember those famous scenes outside the White House
• 35:05
  Speaker 16: lawn in September nineteen ninety three. But it's very difficult
• 35:09
  Speaker 16: to do it, and there are various reasons for that.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Well, Bill Clinton's very clear that that's the Palestinians who
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: have rejected.
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: It at the Camp David Accords in two thousand. So
• 35:17
  Speaker 16: it's great that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are on
• 35:19
  Speaker 16: the same page to actually get his two state solution,
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: I think is a lot harder than they expect.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Sure is, thanks for joining us again, always a pleasure
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: from Switzer. They're reading stuff in the Australian.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Now after the break, we're going to go to the UK,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: where there are more calls for Sir Keith Starmer to
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: leave Downing Street across the Esther Crackle in London. That
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: movie I was trying to think of when I was
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: talking to Barnaby Joyce Network with Peter Finch. Of course,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: so mad as hell and I'm not going to take
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: it anymore. Thanks to a viewer for sending that in.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Now some more breaking news on that security breach at
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: the National Press Club today when Pauline Hansen was speaking.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: A statement's now been issued by the AFP.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: The Act Policing say they received a complaint regarding the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: alleged unauthorized access and interference with equipment in a building
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: in Barton That's where the National Press Club is investigating.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Investigations into this matter underway, including examination of AFP forensics
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: by forensics officers. Anyone with information about this is urged
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: to contact crime stoppers.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: In the Act, I.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Would add, of course that this is what happened. This
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: banner was unfilled by a remote control device. David Charaz,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the head of Get Up, was in the audience and
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: seen leaving soon after this, so no doubt police will
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: want to speak to him. They believe that the banner
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: was unfilled by a remote controlled device. As Barnaby Joyce
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: has pointed out, this could have been anything.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: So this is a drastic failure in security.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: And I would also point out that while the AFP
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: are investigating this, questions need to be asked about the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: AFP because if you got someone of national prominence of
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the like of Pauline Hansen, as controversial as she is,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: in a much anticipated public event at the National Press
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Club today, then I would have thought the AFP should
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: have been involved in making that area secure. And if
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: they were not, then why not. We'll bring you up
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to date with any developments now in the rest of
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: the program. Now let's go though to the UK where
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: we catch up with Esther Krakhu every week. Esther, thanks
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  Speaker 3: for joining us and your Prime minister. Kiss Starmer boy.
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  Speaker 1: They're all calling for him to go, aren't they, the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: lining up to tell him to get on his skates,
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  Speaker 1: but there's no challenger yet.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, he'd not been exactly subtle.
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  Speaker 2: Members of the labor part for kis Starmer, but it's very.
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  Speaker 8: Clear that he is going to have to be dragged out,
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: kicking and screaming, and he's made various media comments saying
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: that this is not about ego or the fact that
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: he just doesn't want to leave or him be narcissistic.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: He just he feels like it says, do you to
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: remain in power and slowly destroy the country from the
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: inside out. Anyway, the upcoming by election in Makerfield, polls
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: are suggesting that Andy Burnham will clinch it, partly because
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: Reform and Restore voters look like they're going to split
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: the vote on the right. So actually, if you combine
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: the lead of Reform and Restore, they would actually be
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: ahead of the Labor Party. But unfortunately that doesn't seem
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: to be the case, and we're only going to have
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: to wait to see how that pans out. It would
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: be very, very funny if.
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  Speaker 2: The voters of make Afield.
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  Speaker 8: Put a stop to this by not electing Andy Burnham,
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  Speaker 8: because then that just puts the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole he's too chaos.
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  Speaker 3: He's supposed to come in and then challenge kea stammer
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at the moment, who could blind key you stammering?
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  Speaker 10: Ma?
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, because there's no challenger. But here's the former hillth
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Sentry was streading. He's what he said to say about it.
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  Speaker 18: I do think that we need a contest. I think
• 38:54
  Speaker 18: it's got to be a battle of ideas, not just personalities.
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  Speaker 18: I intend to be in that contest, and I hope that
• 39:00
  Speaker 18: after Friday and over the weekend, the Prime minster reflects
• 39:03
  Speaker 18: on whether, given the challenges face and the government, given
• 39:06
  Speaker 18: the message sent by the voters, given where he is
• 39:09
  Speaker 18: with the parliamentary Party, whether he's genuinely the right person
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  Speaker 18: to lead us forward and maybe to arrive at a
• 39:15
  Speaker 18: decision on his own terms.
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  Speaker 3: I just find this extraordinary. So obviously, as you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Australia has a very similar parliamentary system.
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  Speaker 1: We understand the game, we understand it's all about the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: In the party room.
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  Speaker 3: But to be have a prime minister effectively on notice
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: from his own party for so long a lame that
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: prime minister, it must be almost unprecedented in the UK.
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  Speaker 8: Especially because the Labor Party has never actually deposed the
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: sitting leader. So it will be something to watch. But
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: again we're Streeting, who resigned as Health Secretary talked about
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: a battle of ideas well. Clearly it's about ideas and
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: not execution because his tenure as Health Secretary was not successful.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I mean he was.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: Boosting about bringing down NHS waiting lists that were up
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: of seven million, but the problem with that is many
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: of the people that came off the waiting list either
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: went private or died waiting.
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  Speaker 12: So he's not.
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  Speaker 8: Exactly the kind of guy that has a shining record
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  Speaker 8: to move anything forward. But it's clear that this is
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: going to be a long drawn out battle and I
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: actually feel quite sorry for the country because this is
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: not what we need. We don't need this sort of
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: egoistic battle of wills. And to be honest, if Andy
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: Burnham is offering anything substantially different from Kirstarmat, which he's not,
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: he has a duty to call a general election. Kis Starmer,
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: whether we like him or not, and Paul show that
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: he's the most unpopular British prime minister in his living memory.
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: He was elected by a majority of the electorate. If
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: you want to change course, you have to ask the
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: public whether they're okay with that and would I would
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: find it amusing that someone like Andy Burnham would think
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: he can be parachuted back into Westmonson have any shred
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: of credibility.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, So we don't have much time because it's a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: big news day here in Australia.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: But I can't let you go without getting your.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on the social media band that the labor Gaban's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: bringing in. It's modeled on what we've done here in Australia,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: which is wildly popular electorally, but I think very ineffective
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: when it comes to actually getting teenagers off social media.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And what amuses me is that the former.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Prince Harry and Meghan Markel are sprooking for this policy
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  Speaker 3: when they seem to have built their wealth and fame
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: on social media exactly.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, if they didn't have enthused young people on
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: social media, it would be a question with it they
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: even still relevant. I'm sure there's not a single person
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: that's ever formulated a policy thinking what Harry and Meghan
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: will think about it. And I think this is very true.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Well said.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Indeed, the Megan and Harry test is not a Richard
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: test of public policy. Thanks for joining us, as we'll
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: catch up with you next week. Now we're going to
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: get to a break on the other side of that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Justin Smith and Jamie Johnson will join me for the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Wednesday Wrangle we'll look at taxpayers money being funneled to
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: China thanks to renewable energy projects. Let's get into the
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Wednesday wrangle. We got Justin Smith as ever in Melbourne,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: and filling in for us here on the desk.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Is Jamie Johnson. Good to see you, Jamie, good to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: be here. I want to get both.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Your thoughts on Pauline Hanson's pretty stellar performance at the
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: National Press Club today. But what don't I kick off
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: with this segment of what she said, because I think
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: this is in many ways is to get the key
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: to her popularity.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Have a look, I am a known quantity for these Australians.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: They know I'm not part of the political establishment that
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: is no longer listening to them and no longer seems
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: to care. They know you've come after me, even happy
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: to see me put in prison. They know what you've
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: been saying about me, and many of them no longer
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: believe you.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: She's right, isn't she, Jamie? The media? They believe the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: media and they do that.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Pauline's been around so long and she's been so consistent
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: that that's a big plus for her.
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: Defiant committed You bet I am. I think Australia has
• 42:51
  Speaker 13: found its iron lady.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: I loved every part of the speech.
• 42:56
  Speaker 13: I loved I thought you'd have a giggle at that one.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Justin, Well, come on, I mean would you giggle?
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: What? What?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: What were your protest? What were your protest? What were
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: your critiques of the performance? Justin?
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: For me, though, I mean, hey, you've got to hand
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: it to her. What she was giving in that speech
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: was exactly what has been working for her and what
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: has been winning.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: So why for her?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Why would she stand up there and give a different
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: kind of speech? I just I would caution though, at
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: certain sections of the media and now, to give her
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a free ride. If you want her to keep doing well,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: don't give her a free ride. Because Peter Duddon was
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: given a free ride. He didn't answer questions properly. The
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: electorates saw through that, and when they thought he was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: going to win an election, he got bugger all out
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So what question she answered? Probably, if she's on.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Your team and you wanted to win, make sure you
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: ask her to make sure you ask her the tough questions,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: because he won't be doing her any favors.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I think Pauline comes on this show most weeks, and
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think she gets an easy ride.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: We get plenty of back and back and forth with Paul.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: In fact, some of hers supporters get pretty angry at
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: me for daring to challenge you.
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: It.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: What I loved about today was the way she took
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: it to the media.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Have a look at this bit.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: It doesn't give you the license to say preferencing one
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: nation is immoral. It doesn't give you the license to
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: continue to repeat the lie that we are a racist party,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: because that is untrue.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: You Jamie, she said before that, Yeah, yeah, scrutinized me.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Of course, I've got to be accountable.
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: Man.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: This calling me a racist and saying it's immoral to
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: vote for me is just too.
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Far totally, and I agree with that, I really.
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: I think it's interesting that people say that she hasn't
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: been scrutinized. She's possibly been the most scrutinized politician we've
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: had for thirty years. I get now that people want
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: to scrutinize policy, not just her as an individual. That's fine,
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: and it was great that she said she welcomes it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 13: But I really loved that she said, hey, listen up, media,
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: Australians don't trust politicians anymore.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: I've had to earn the trust.
• 44:58
  Speaker 13: Of the Australian people and guess what media you need
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: to earn the trust of the Australian people now too.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's going to be a lot of focus on
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: policy justin that's because of how well she's doing in
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: the polls. She's talked about as an alternative government, which
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: seems ridiculous given what a minor party they are at
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: the moment. So there'll be a lot more focus on
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: policy detail. But I think Jamie's right. Paul Enhanson has
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: a character and as a political practitioner has probably faced
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: more scrutiny than just about anyone else in the last
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: thirty years.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has copped it, and look, I wouldn't mind
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: seeing a bit more of that for the Albanese is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: this world and the tailors of this world, that instead
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of people blindly following either of those party parties because
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: they're on the Blue team or the Red team, that
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: they ask a few more questions. I think it's actually
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: something we've become particularly bad at in this country, is
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: we've become good at picking sides. It's been American We've
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: become good at picking sides, but bad at testing out
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the people that we should be testing out.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Everything's right, I mean, try getting a.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Laths and has been able to lift up. I mean,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I'd love to have Labor politicians and Green's politicians on
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: here and ask them questions.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: They just won't come on.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: They go to the ABC and we get the other
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: side here. It's frustrating.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I do want to just finish with Pauline on this
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: topic because I want to lead into where it goes,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: and she is that is she's pushing back against net zero,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: she's supporting nuclear And here's what she has to say
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: about the renewable energy push.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: One nation will end this renewable energy bribery, grants, tax incentives,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: concessional finance, even the government underwriting anything that sponsors the
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: whole net zero hoax.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Now this is music to my ears, Jamie, because there's
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: revelations today that a lot of this government funding taxpayers money,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Australian taxpayers money in pushing this renewable energy transition is
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: actually going off shore to Chinese companies. It's just such
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: a blatant undoing of the national interest.
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: Well, it's not what the Australian people were told, you know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: we were told that this was going to bring Australian industry,
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: Australian jobs, energy, sovereignty to Australia. And I think Australians
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: are looking saying, where's the sovereignty? We're giving everything to China.
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: I mean that article today, is it? Three out of
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: nineteen projects are going to be Australian owned and Australian operated.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: It's extraordinary.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Justin you happy for your hard earned tax dollars to
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: prop up Chinese communist companies.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Well, well here's a shock for you. Yeah, yes, that's right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: That money, taxpayers money is going to China for these things.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But Chris Kenny, your money's going there. Jamie, your money
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: is going there as well, because you're going to have
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to rip down that studio and probably get rid of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: all of your clothes if you don't want to send
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: money to China. And I would suggest even Chris Kenny,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: if you lift up your crows mug that you've got
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: on your desk there, surely not the crows, it's bugger me.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: That's probably been made in China as well.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Surely I ought to spill my teammate, but I'm pretty
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: certain I would have been made in Appleston or.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: A great South Australian sun.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I've got your yeah one I bought for you, the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Richmond one I bought for you to have here, made
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: in China.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a Victoria.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Mate, here in Daniels, the People's Republic of Victoria. Everybody's
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: everything's made in China down there.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Very good. You leave my Crow's mag alone.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And I don't think taxpayers dollars should be going to
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Chinese communist countries, especially not just to undermine our secure and.
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: Not in the name of sovereignty, Australian sovereignty.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Jamie and Justin appreciate it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: That's all the time we got for you tonight.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: A little bit of a quick flick of your feedback
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: last night and some of the criticism of Pauline Hanson.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: One viewer says, knockdown time and time again. She hasn't
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: wavered from her morals, beliefs and love for this country.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: It is refreshing and one more, Stuart says, these are
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: tacks from the entitled elite. Just empower her on one
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: nation all the more. Thanks so much for watching. I'll
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: be back tomorrow night.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Next up is Steve Price for Peter Quiplin. Cheers