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Yoreh De’ah 262:2-4. Bris Milah: Eighth Day If Sick, Fever, Waiting 7 Complete Days, Jaundice, Sunset, Nightfall, Twilight, the Gra · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, Resh, Samer, Bet helpless Mila.
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  OK, we're continuing with bet. I just want to point out when
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  we're talking about days, I mean, I think it's pretty
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  obvious it depends on where you are.
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  This Wherever the baby is born, you look at the day at the
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  daytime based on what the hours are.
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  And then wherever the Mila is, you look based on where the baby
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  is, because one can travel from one location to another and it
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  doesn't, you know, you, you don't go by the Zuman of where
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  the baby was born. I mean for the birth you do.
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  And then for the Mila, you go by where the Mila is.
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  You don't look at the hours you know from let's say they, they
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  moved after day 5 from America to Israel or whatever it is.
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  You the hours are almost they could be almost could be 10
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  hours easy. So then I you don't look at the
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  time change and then count the days obviously by the baby's
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  days, 8th 8th day, 8th day from the birth.
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  So that's that's just to clarify being a Shmashos.
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  I did see that in Saki Machuvos. He writes most he seems to write
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  that even if they're getting ready to do the Mila or they're
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  starting to do the Mila near shkia and then shkia passes then
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  once shkia passes you stop and you don't do the meela until the
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  next day, even if it's 5 minutes after shkia.
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  So ask your ask your your Rav, your mohel, whatever what the
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  sock is. Yeah, I think, I mean we're
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  going to see when it comes to, we're about to get to Bina
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  Shmasha's, we'll see that nowadays for the Lamai said
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  basically every Jew across the world says the day ends at
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  General Minoguez, the day ends at Shkia, which is sunset, the
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  astronomic sunset that most of us are familiar with.
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  Even Hassidim or or Ashkenazi jury who many of them used to
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  follow are Ben Mutam and go way after shkia.
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  In Europe nowadays, the accepted custom is we go by what we call
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  sunset. However, there will be some
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  Hassidim who will give you maybe an extra 1015 minutes to count
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  that as part of the day, even if it means doing the Mila on
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  Shabbos. So it's we're going to get to
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  there. I just wanted to point that out.
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  And we're going to see that Amuda Shahar is not the same as
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  Benish Mashas. When we learning, we, we started
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  learning about Ammader Shakhar, let's say 72 minutes.
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  Again, that's a bit of a question, but we'll call it 72
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  minutes before sunrise, the astronomic sunrise.
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  So the, so there we do hold it's Vada Yom, that's 100% daytime
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  and it's 100% Yosei. If you did the Mila starting
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  then and no one says to do a Tafas Tanbris, again, you don't
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  do a prick and it's nothing like that.
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  So just it's not like Akhila, OK, like Akhila, we definitely
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  wait till sunrise. However, when it comes to Dena
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  Shmashos, that's a real Suffolk. We really don't know what that
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  is. Either we don't know what it is
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  or that Zuman has no real definition.
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  However you define Dena Shmashos, it's 100% halachic
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  Suffolk. And so that's a major, major
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  difference. Also here.
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  I'll just jump to the gun a little bit.
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  We're going to see it's it's in Resh Samna Khabet.
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  There's a big Ville Nagorn, very famous piece of the Ville Nagorn
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  regarding Seisa Kohavin and Ben Ashmashas.
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  It's worthwhile to read. But anyways, it's a bit of a
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  complicated topic. So you know what, let's get to
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  the meet a couple CE fiem and we'll see that.
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  We'll see how that plays out a little bit more when we get
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  there. Fine.
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  So let's start with Beth inside cola E malinoto achi yavri.
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  All right, now, if a baby's born sick, it could be born sick, it
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  could become sick. But when it comes to Day 8, the
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  baby is sick. So we don't do a brasmila on the
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  baby that's sick. Umtini Umtini low May 8 Shimitra
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  aper mehoyo shivati Amin May 8th late How does it work?
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  We wait a full 7 days, but it's 8 to 8.
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  So a day is 24 hours. So whatever it is, it's 7 * 24
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  hours at whatever the day, whatever daytime we decide the
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  baby now is healthy, we add on a full 7 days from the exact same
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  time. So often it's a look.
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  It's often people might talk about it like 8 days or the 8th
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  day. Again, it's partially true, but
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  it's the technical is 7 * 24, right?
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  That's when we wait. All right, You don't do it in
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  the you don't do it in that morning.
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  You have to wait till the same time, same time seven days
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  later, no, from when he got healthy.
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  If a baby is unhealthy, however long is unhealthy, hopefully and
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  not long. You whenever the doctors say now
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  he's healthy, then you add 7 days, you know, let me stop
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  right now with a little short story.
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  I was listening to a Sheba Rod and Glebowitz.
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  He had a nice story. The question was there was a
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  lady who was there was a lady who let's say I think she was
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  having some kind of cancer therapy or needed to have
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  chemotherapy and but she was pregnant so they I guess they
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  pushed it off a little bit. The baby was very premature and,
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  and then needed to have, I guess, some kind of steroids or
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  drugs, whatever the medication in order, in order, whatever the
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  situation was. But the, the, the question at
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  hand came when the baby was considered healthy and it was
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  supposed to be, let's say we call it after seven days or the
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  8th day, whatever it is. That's how the question was
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  posed. And but the I don't for whatever
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  reason, that's not the point. The mother was not able to be at
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  the bris if it was going to be on that eighth day or seven days
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  times 24, because she couldn't leave the hospital and that baby
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  couldn't have the meal in the hospital, whatever it was.
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  That's the case. Question is, can the baby for
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  can Emila get pushed off a day? We are 'cause this is, we
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  already learned Emila Shalobizumana.
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  So you wait till it gets healthy, you don't do it on
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  Shabbos or we're going to see. But you every day there's a din,
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  you can't push it off. So what should we do?
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  So the father asked Izumoa, Pesach, Chrome and he said no
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  problem, push it off a day so or it'll be the next we'll do it
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  the next day. I don't know what I don't know.
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  I don't know this terminology. I don't know, I don't know.
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  I don't think he would say push it off when you see the when you
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  hear the end of the story. But he says do the bris on the
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  next day and the mom can come and no problem.
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  So then the father calls Rabbi Leibowitz and he says, I don't
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  know what Rabbi Krohn was saying.
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  Was he saying that because I sound like a Baal chuva and he
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  was afraid that if I he doesn't do it the next day, I'll go to a
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  different mole? Or was he giving me a proper
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  sock that Yeah, for the mom, you can push it off a day because
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  it's Shalobi's mana. So, Ravi, you know what's so in
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  the story, he tried to ask Rav David Feinstein.
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  He wasn't available. Then he finally asked.
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  He asked a different Rav and he told him no you can't push it
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  off because it's user to push off.
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  Even if it's Shalobi's mana, it's user to push push it off a
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  day. So he said you should tell the
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  mom that these hoot not pushing it off, you should do it on
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  time. I'm getting a prod.
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  I apologize a part of the story and who said what?
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  He got up sock not not to push it off.
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  He also got another sock from a different Rob who said to push
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  it off. The idea was Pikuhana fish for
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  the mom. He got a couple different sock
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  which one which one to do from Zilbrim scene and Vinay Brock.
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  So he said no, you you tell the mom also not to push it off and
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  make sure you get a zoom. And then he got back in touch
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  with W Feinstein and said no, you shouldn't.
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  You shouldn't push it off. So both of them said not to push
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  it off. Anyways, he got a couple
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  different sucking and then he was like, now who do I follow?
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  So this was in his whole more of a lengthy sheer of and so and
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  then the but really, the real Shiloh really was who owns the
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  Shiloh and who owns the, you know, who's on the baby?
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  It's the father. So ABI Leibowitz's real question
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  wasn't really much of a question.
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  Who should he follow? Because he started asking
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  numerous rabbis and it could be he was just asking for interest.
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  Not necessarily absurd, but I think he was.
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  But anyways, that's not the the main point is so finally now,
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  right, We all would have done it first.
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  Now he calls Robbie Krone on the phone and he says I, you know,
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  this is the story and I want to know that the the father wants
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  to know what was your suck? What was it up suck?
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  Or was this you were afraid to lose the risk and maybe he'll go
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  to a, you know, conservative, not that he needs the risk, but
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  you know, he might go to a Conservative Rabbi MOA,
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  whatever. So he says no, no, no.
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  Whenever I say something, I gave a real suck.
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  And he says I also would say not to push it off.
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  The reason why I said to do it the next day was not because I
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  said you can push it off now again, every case has to be done
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  Lagufo. There could be a real case of
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  picoeth nefesh of you know of a person if if they really are
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  sick and it couldn't make a difference anyways.
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  But for the sake of the story, no, no, no, he follows.
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  The point was, he learnt the sock of Mila from his rabbit.
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  He hoped that whenever a baby's taking medication for a sickness
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  Again, it probably depends which medication ask you out, but
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  basically the story is whenever you're taking medication, we
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  assume you're not healthy the last.
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  So normally I think what most what mole and rebunding do can't
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  speak for them, but I believe you go by when the baby's
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  considered health and the doctors whatever you consider
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  them healthy and then you count exactly 7 full days from now,
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  right? 24 * 7.
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  But his suck was on the day you're still taking medication,
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  I'm assuming, not Tylenol, maybe something like steroids,
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  whatever it is that day. If you still take your
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  medication, the fact that he's taking medication, we assume
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  he's still sick. And so he holds you start
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  counting the seven days from the next day.
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  So it just worked out well for the mother.
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  Again, he wouldn't have pushed it off 2 days because he wasn't
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  pushing it off for the mom, he was pushing it off anyways.
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  So it's a little bit relevant to what we learned yesterday and
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  what we're learning today. Like we're gonna see.
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  And I saw and socking with Chuvas for antibiotics.
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  And so I discussed it throughout Pessin antibiotics.
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  So I spoke to a Pessin and socking with Chuvas.
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  He writes that's you don't go by finishing your dose of of
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  antibiotics. I mean, we all know that many
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  times a person is considered healthy after two days of
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  taking, for three days, let's say of taking medication,
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  antibiotics, often you'll see no difference for one or two days.
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  You have to give it two days to really know it's not helping.
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  As a general rule, usually within one day, but it could
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  take, it could certainly be two days, but certainly by three or
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  four days the person can be completely, can be completely
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  healthy. I mean, you're still taking
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  antibiotics because the general regimen that's given usually is
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  for let's say 5 or 7 days. And we always say keep taking it
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  so that you finish with the, with the bacteria being killed
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  or whatever it is. So it doesn't create a super
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  strain exactly. But it's not because you're
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  still sick. It's it's for the sake of not
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  becoming sick again later from a, let's say a super strain or
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  whatever it is or you know, so therefore you don't count from I
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  don't know if anyone says stop counting from antibiotics
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  because you're not, you could be healthy and you're still taking
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  antibiotics. But anyways, whatever the stock
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  is becoming healthy. That's what we go by from there
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  or whatever you're of and how you define, but made of Arium al
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  Moorim. Basically, one has a fever
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  because their whole body's affected by it.
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  That's called the whole body is sick and you wait 7 full days,
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  right 24 * 7 if it affects the whole body, but if it only
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  effects one limb, you can go and see a small pain in the eyes.
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  So that's that's not called where your whole body is sick.
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  So that so then only if your whole body is sick or if you
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  we're going to keep reading. So then you wait a full 7 days.
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  But if it's just something minor, we're going to see more
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  as we keep reading Mamtinim lo AAD shiyavri.
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  So then all you need to do is just wait till the baby is
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  healthy. Lahar shiyavri Malin Otto Miyad
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  And as soon as he's healthy, then you circumcise him
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  immediately or even the same day.
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  Ava KE volo enav ke EV gadol. But if you have a the, I don't
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  know, very painful eyes, have a keholi shubho hagoof.
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  So then that considered a holy of the whole body.
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  And then you wait a full 7 days. I'll just quote a little bit.
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  So this is mostly from Sakyo Machuvas.
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  I'm just assuming most would agree that basically, you know,
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  he writes what do we call if Inaim Gadol for the eyes that we
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  wait seven days. That's if they're a very red or
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  there's separation pus coming out.
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  But if it's just a little red, then you would do it right away.
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  So it could be no. Then it is a wholly well depends
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  on depends on how you define a little red or pink or but if
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  it's it can be considered a little bit sick and then you
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  would wait. Do we know what jaundice the
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  yellowish. Yeah.
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  So we're going to get to jaundice in a minute.
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  Yeah, I'll just point out. So if you look in, I mean you
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  don't need to, but you can look in the shock or a couple places.
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  He points out that if I mean this is the halacha again, ask
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  your Rob or Moell at the time. But if the baby is having some
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  kind of pain and some kind of a sickness or, or pain and he's
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  uncomfortable, so the halakha is we wait until he's comfortable,
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  even if he's not really sick. Because we're afraid the fact
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  that he's he's he's pain for some, he's under pain for some,
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  he's having pain for some reason or he has some kind of a
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  condition or some kind of a wound, then we're afraid that it
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  can lead to a sakana. So in general, if the baby is
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  suffering, even though they're not sick, we wait until they get
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  better and then you can do it right away.
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  That's the general rule. He just quotes from Saakim here.
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  So generally, you know, broken legs and bruising from birth.
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  So again, depends on the case. You'll probably wait till he
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  gets better, but you certainly do not wait seven days.
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  That's not how we call a goof. He says, I'll do this
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  afterwards. Temperature, so his rule for a
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  temperature that you have to wait seven days for as he
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  writes, 38°C, that's 100 and .4 Fahrenheit or if it's below 36
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  Celsius or below 96.8 person a baby has trouble breathing and
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  they're on oxygen. So he said again, it really
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  depends on the case. He writes, you wait seven days,
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  but I'm sure it's check with the with the doctor.
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  I mean, all these things you have to check really what's
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  what's the condition, what's causing it.
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  The baby has a blood transfusion for, I don't know, high belly
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  Ruben or whatever it is. Probably you would wait seven
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  days, He writes. If it's anemic.
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  So if it needs real treatment, you'd wait seven days.
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  But what normal is, what's what we normally hear about is just a
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  little bit, and it's called jaundice.
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  It's a little bit yellow. So then we just assume that the
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  baby's blood or whatever the condition is isn't fully
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  developed. It's not considered a sickness.
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  And then as soon as the baby's ready that the color comes back
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  to within normal are close enough.
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  So then you don't have to wait at all.
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  You do it right away. Wally's jaundice.
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  So you wait exactly. But as soon as it goes away
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  again, depends what level of jaundice, but yeah, how mild,
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  how moderate. OK.
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  Now for premature babies, so generally he writes normally we
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  wait until they are at least 37 weeks, a full 37 weeks from
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  pregnancy go by. So then that's, then that's OK
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  if it was born before that. So you wait till the baby's 37
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  weeks. That's the general rule.
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  He writes then ask and the beginning of the 38th week is,
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  is, is generally OK. Obviously I have to check the
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  baby and well, I the way he writes it was once it's the 38th
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  week, whatever. Ask the seven days is really, I
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  think to know that from sickness.
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  If the baby's healthy at week 36, I think everyone would agree
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  in 37 you're good to go after after 37 is complete, then
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  you're good to go because it's nothing.
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  The baby is not necessarily premature, doesn't mean it's
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  unhealthy or sick, but just it's not quite ready.
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  So that's anyway ask your help baby incubate into incubate it.
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  So then Igus Moshe and Teteliezer says you wait seven
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  days. Again, depends on the case, but
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  let's see you're right. If a baby falls tent fucking God
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  forbid, ask shilot to make sure the baby's healthy.
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  If the baby's not nursing again, find out why they're not
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  nursing. You might have to wait seven
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  days. Generally.
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  Most postscheme he writes say weight itself is not necessarily
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  a factor. Weight on its own to see what's
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  going on with the baby itself, but so most so he says most
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  would give even if it's less than just as an example, 2 point
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  5K or 5.5 lbs. If the baby's completely
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  healthy, according to the doctors, you wouldn't weight.
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  But some do weight and say it needs to be at least 2.6 or 5.7
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  three. Anyway, just something general
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  knowledge. OK, let's keep reading it
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  inside. Yeah, just a bit more Gilman
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  androgynous. This is a baby that has both
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  male and female genitalia. Umichiacelloste or alot or he
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  has two or alotes. That either means 2 layers of
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  foreskin or it means. They has two actual Ivarium to
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  do to to do an Orlon 2 separate ones.
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  So either case or Vyote dolphin or C-section Cesarean comes out
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  this right. We're familiar with that
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  mimoleum Le Shimona, all of these cases, you don't do it
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  before the 8th and you do it on the 8th, right?
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  We're assuming that then we're not.
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  This is a new category. We're not sick and so there's no
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  reason not to do it on the 8th. It's but we don't do these cases
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  on Shabbas. So that's kind of where the case
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  comes from because there's a comparison or a question in the
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  Gemara. But it OK, so then so for
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  Shabbos, it's not doka. We'll see when we get there.
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  But for our purposes, we do it on the eighth day.
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  Let's do one more Dalit. No lad.
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  Beneshmachus money moment. Mehalaila Venemo with Tashi
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  issues. Well, Lila.
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  So as soon as the baby once it reaches we said this, we started
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  to talk about this. Once it hits after sunset, then
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  the ski is over and it starts being a shamashos.
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  And that is we call Suffolk and therefore ammonium that we count
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  for and that's already counted for the night time.
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  So that it's so in other words, it's the 8th day from the next
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  for the night from the next day. You don't count being a Shmashas
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  as the day, you count it as a night time.
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  So they now you know, it's either 8th or 9th day depending
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  what you're counting from, but it's the 8th day from that
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  night, but it's still on a case of a Suffolk for for Shabbos.
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  It's not doka Shabbos. We'll see Mimosi rocho hutzo
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  frozdor mimbo ODM OSHA sham oto Boca Philo nola lakharkama yamim
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  moni mosh Mona yami miyom shiatsa rocho on Yom shishamo
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  oto Boca. So, and once it comes out,
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  either most of the head, which is most of the forehead, or if
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  would be a breech birth right or Akuz Rakuz in Hebrew, then it's
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  it could be legs first. It could be then you go after
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  Roche Rove, Rove, goofy Rove of the body.
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  So it's either if it's the head first normal, that's most of the
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  head, most of the forehead. But if it's a breech, then it's
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  most of the body. Or you even hear it crying
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  because we assume that the baby's mouth came out and went
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  back in. If you can hear the baby cry,
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  then that's the assumption and so therefore we assume it was
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  already born. Since it was during the day,
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  then that's when it is. It's 8th day from when that
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  happened. Kva shomri maga da have got to
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  be stunned. That's normal right?
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  If we, the woman didn't say anything about labor pains, then
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  count them crying. We assume is for sure that it
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  came out of all in emo marriage. If the woman tells you again,
• 23:21
  don't ask me how this is possible.
• 23:22
  If the woman tells you, I know for sure.
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  I had no labor pains and no baby was coming out and I felt 100%
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  the same as always. Alpha P shashama bokhe Manila MI
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  omaleida. Then we believe her.
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  Maybe Vade, maybe Suffolk, we believe her that it didn't come
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  out even though we we heard the baby cry.
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  I guess it was crying from inside the womb or maybe, I
• 23:47
  don't know, baby from next door. Maybe it was a baby from next
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  door. That'd be more common in the
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  hospital than us. The Alpha Gabe de la Sri
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  actually, even though it's not so common right until the baby
• 24:00
  comes out, holds the frozen door until it comes out.
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  Nicole Malcolm AME. But Lamai said we believe the
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  mother Lamar Shahaya Munakamo Bashar Palmim Ubacha.
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  We believe that it didn't come out and I'll just point out from
• 24:14
  the girl real quick. So here is he talks about it.
• 24:18
  He points out that when it comes to night time, it doesn't go by
• 24:22
  the sky. It goes by stars and we have
• 24:27
  Frisesa Kulkagin, so and it's in the morning, it's the opposite.
• 24:32
  The Ammu de Shaka goes by the light of the night and it has
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  nothing to do with the stars, right?
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  I think we're all familiar with that.
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  It's just interesting how he puts it in that, in that
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  comparison. And he says that, right?
• 24:46
  He holds 100% that there are astronomic shkia is the shkia
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  and it's only 13 1/2 minutes until sais vadai for halakha,
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  right? And that's the real sais is 13
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  and a 13 and 13 1/2 minutes after shkia.
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  But he points out that the that the time of 13 1/2 minutes or 72
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  minutes in the in the morning, maybe whatever it is, he writes
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  that that's all based on Eretz Israel and based on a day that's
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  six to six. If obviously now we're in the
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  summer or it's in the winter, then that 13 1/2 minutes can
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  become a little bit shorter for stays or it could be a little
• 25:34
  bit longer. 20 minutes is for sure going to be fine for all
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  year. So anyway, but that's where it
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  is. So, and if you're in a different
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  height, right in the horizon, whatever the latitude, so then
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  things change a little bit accordingly.