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- 0:04Welcome to another edition of the Inspired Stories podcast,
- 0:08where leaders share their experiences so we can learn from
- 0:11their successes and be inspired by how they've overcome
- 0:13adversity. My name is Anthony Kotaspodi and
- 0:16today's guest is Peter Harris, founding partner at University
- 0:20Growth Fund. They are the largest education
- 0:23based private equity fund in the country, giving university
- 0:26students the chance to gain valuable real world experience
- 0:30as they invest alongside top tier investors in some of the
- 0:34nation's most promising companies.
- 0:36Now Peter has been part of the fund since 2007, leading over 20
- 0:41deals in areas like medical devices and customer
- 0:44relationship management, and he Co founded the fund officially
- 0:48in 2015. He was also instrumental in
- 0:52recruiting and training students, enabling them to build
- 0:55strong investment skills. As a senior associate and later
- 0:59a principal at University Venture Fund, Peter gained
- 1:03extensive experience in deal flow and diligence processes.
- 1:07He's done over 100 investments in startups including Spotify,
- 1:12Snapchat and Airbnb. Now before we get into all that
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- 1:46today, founding partner at University Growth Fund, Peter
- 1:49Harris. I appreciate you making the time
- 1:50to Share your story today. Yeah.
- 1:52Thanks for having me. Looking forward to it, Anthony.
- 1:55So before we get into talking about University Growth Fund,
- 1:59tell me about some of the international consulting work
- 2:02that you've done before. Sure.
- 2:04So when I was growing up, I, my, my dad was a computer engineer
- 2:11and I always thought engineering would be this really interesting
- 2:14career path because it was all about solving problems.
- 2:17And then when I was in high school, he shifted and quit his
- 2:21job at a, at a very large engineering, you know, very
- 2:24prestigious engineering firm and started doing more investing in
- 2:27entrepreneurial type things. And it taught me that you could
- 2:30use business as a tool to solve some of these problems.
- 2:34So when I was in college, I took a class from a professor around
- 2:40this concept called micro franchising.
- 2:42And the idea behind micro franchising is you take, you
- 2:45know, similar to McDonald's as a franchise.
- 2:48It's got powerful brand supply chain training systems to ensure
- 2:54that the franchisees are successful.
- 2:56You take these same principles and you shrink them down for an
- 2:58individual living at the bottom of the pyramid.
- 3:01And so this class was all about taking that concept of micro
- 3:05franchising and designing different micro franchise
- 3:08business models for different nonprofits.
- 3:12So we're trying to implement that strategy from there.
- 3:16You know, had so much fun in. That yeah, real quick, Peter,
- 3:19can you maybe give an example of a micro franchise?
- 3:22Yeah, of course. So like one of the projects we
- 3:24did was in Africa and and Nairobi, we worked with the Nike
- 3:30Foundation. And at the time, Nike was very
- 3:32focused on girls. And so we went, went out,
- 3:37analyzed the market, figured out that one of the products that
- 3:41would do really well is a hair extensions product line.
- 3:45So we partnered with a local company there and then designed
- 3:48mini salons that these girls could operate where they would
- 3:53do hair extensions and hair styling.
- 3:55And so they benefited from the brand, which was a company
- 4:00called Darling, which had good advertising throughout the city,
- 4:04had good supply chains to get them product at at good prices
- 4:07and then trained them on how to do the different services.
- 4:10And then we helped them kind of set up through fundings with the
- 4:14Nike Foundation to provide some of the startup capital for them.
- 4:18And then there were, you know, if they could go out and they
- 4:20could set up their own little salon doing doing hair.
- 4:24We also did ones in in that same project, we had another one
- 4:29where we partnered with the the equivalent of Kentucky Fried
- 4:32Chicken of Kenya, a company called Kenchick and they sold
- 4:38chicken based hot dogs as a a food stand.
- 4:41So a little more traditional to what most people think of when
- 4:44they think of a franchise. And then we've done all kinds of
- 4:47other things. Yeah, could be selling clothing,
- 4:50could be selling cosmetics, home supplies, all kinds of stuff.
- 4:57So get you? On the spot and ask if there's
- 4:58any metrics that you can reference in terms of success
- 5:03for any one of these or sort of collectively as kind of a
- 5:05concept? So last time I checked the
- 5:08numbers there, we've we've been successful in launching probably
- 5:12close to 1000 of these micro franchises across the different
- 5:16markets where we operated in South America, the Caribbean and
- 5:20and Africa. My favorite story though is the
- 5:23first project I did. So I went and spent a summer in
- 5:26Northern Ghana after I graduated and our sponsor there was a
- 5:31large multinational corporation that was looking to gain access
- 5:35to the African market. And so we sold, we helped them
- 5:38set up a business that these women would sell like home
- 5:43supplies. So cleaning detergents, soaps,
- 5:48shampoos, makeup, stuff like that.
- 5:51And we had this one woman who was really like just
- 5:55representative of a lot of the micro franchisees we worked
- 5:58with. She would wake up at like 4:00
- 6:01in the morning, She would cook until like 7:00 in the morning.
- 6:05And then she would take care of her children and the children of
- 6:09the seven other wives in her household.
- 6:13So she was the oldest of, of eight wives to this, this Muslim
- 6:19man. And then they, she would go out
- 6:22and sell door to door kitchen supplies and then she'd come
- 6:26home and cook more and take care and go to bed at like midnight.
- 6:29So like working insane hours and probably making about $2.00 a
- 6:33day. We brought her into our program
- 6:36and she cut her hours in half. She went from earning $2.00 a
- 6:40day to $25 a day. Started taking English classes
- 6:46and so that she can learn how to read and write in her spare
- 6:48time. Improved kind of the overall
- 6:51living situation of her entire family.
- 6:54And you know, we just had a lot more energy and confidence kind
- 6:59of going out there. And so that that was the beauty
- 7:01of it was it was this, this unique like win, win, win where
- 7:06she was winning because it had this fundamental change on her
- 7:11life and her livelihood. The corporation was winning
- 7:14because they got access to this whole new market.
- 7:16And frankly, even the customers were winning because they got
- 7:19access to higher quality products and better service than
- 7:23they were getting before. So it was this, this like big
- 7:27eye opener for me of this, this idea that you can create these
- 7:31win, win, win outcomes where everybody benefits.
- 7:35And it just creates this like virtuous cycle that builds on
- 7:37itself. That's really cool.
- 7:40And sorry, I cut you off as you were starting to talk about some
- 7:42of the other international consulting work that you've
- 7:44done. So, yeah, I mean, that's, that's
- 7:47the type of stuff we did. We worked in Kenya, Sierra
- 7:51Leone, Ghana, Paraguay, Jamaica, Haiti, designing these
- 7:58businesses and launching them and and then helping them scale.
- 8:01Is it something you're still involved with?
- 8:04Not as much anymore. I've been so busy with my
- 8:07current ventures that it's, it's been hard to, to allocate the
- 8:11time there. And my business partner there
- 8:14went on to start some other businesses as well.
- 8:17So every once in a while I'll get roped in to, to help advise
- 8:21on something here and there. But it's it's very tangential to
- 8:24what I do today. OK.
- 8:25So before we get to University Growth Fund, tell me about
- 8:29University Venture Fund. Yeah.
- 8:32So when I was a student, the other thing that I got involved
- 8:36with beyond this consulting work was this fund called University
- 8:41Venture Fund. And at the time, you know, when
- 8:44I went to school, I thought I really want to be an
- 8:46entrepreneur. And I had just come back from
- 8:50serving in Spain as a missionary for my church for two years.
- 8:55And while I was there, I saw this concept that today we know
- 8:58is Redbox, but we didn't have it here in the US yet.
- 9:01And so I was working with a guy who owned like 150 Little
- 9:06Caesars locations. And I was like, we're going to
- 9:08bring, you know, pizza in a movie for 6 bucks and a vending
- 9:11machine. And right as we're about to
- 9:14launch, McDonald's and Redbox announced this like $150 million
- 9:20partnership. And Utah was going to be where I
- 9:24was at at the current time. Utah was going to be their
- 9:27launch market. And so I thought, well, I can't
- 9:31really compete with that as a poor college student.
- 9:33You know, I was hoping to get one of these things up off the
- 9:35ground and running. So I shelved it.
- 9:38And at that time, a friend of mine was like, you should really
- 9:41check out this thing called University Growth or University
- 9:43Venture Fund. I think you'd really like it.
- 9:46So joined that firm and at the time it was an $18 million
- 9:51venture fund, largest of its kind in the country, and had
- 9:57students from different schools in Utah.
- 10:00And about six months after I joined, the two guys that had
- 10:04started the firm left to Co pursue other interests.
- 10:08And they brought in a gentleman who's now my business partner,
- 10:11Tom Stringham. And he and I revamped soup to
- 10:15nuts the whole fund. So we rebuilt the entire
- 10:19training program, the recruiting strategy for our student
- 10:23interns, and then we also rebuilt how we did due
- 10:28diligence, how we source deals on investment opportunities.
- 10:32And the thing that was really cool about University Venture
- 10:34Fund is that we had somewhere around, at the time, call it 20
- 10:39interns that were all college students.
- 10:42And the students were really empowered to run the fund.
- 10:45So, you know, we were meeting with entrepreneurs, we were
- 10:50asking them hard questions, we were going through all of their
- 10:54financials and other materials and then making decisions on
- 10:58whether or not we should invest, you know, out of that $18
- 11:01million pool of capital that we had.
- 11:03So it was an amazing experience and did that for a couple years
- 11:08as a student and then when I graduated was fortunate enough
- 11:12to be extended an offer to to stick around and keep doing
- 11:15basically all the same work I had already been doing.
- 11:17So. So you and who's your boss now?
- 11:21Your partner? What?
- 11:22What's that person's name? Tom.
- 11:24Tom Stringham. Tom.
- 11:25And so Tom had, I'm going to guess a background in all of
- 11:29this, this sort of the funding space and training students.
- 11:33He he came in with some sort of domain expertise already.
- 11:37Yeah. So Tom's background is grew up
- 11:40in Utah and then went back east to do investment banking with
- 11:45Merrill Lynch at the time. Went and got his graduate degree
- 11:50from Harvard, went back to banking and then was working for
- 11:54a small boutique investment bank called Roth Capital Partners.
- 11:58And he was their Utah guy. So he had a lot of connections
- 12:03in Utah, was living in Utah, and was an advisor to the fund prior
- 12:07to coming on full time. OK, because I'm going to guess
- 12:10you coming as a college student, you didn't really have a a
- 12:13background or sort of understanding.
- 12:15So you learned a lot from him for sure your early mentor, OK.
- 12:19And so at what point the two of you decide to leave there and
- 12:25start University Growth Fund? Yeah.
- 12:28So funds, venture funds have a have a usually a finite life.
- 12:33They're about 10 years and then you have to raise another fund
- 12:37if you want it to go beyond those 10 years.
- 12:40And so as a firm, you might have like university venture fund
- 12:44might be a firm, but then it has actual funds that each last
- 12:47about 10 years. And most venture funds will
- 12:50raise a new fund every, call it three to five years.
- 12:53So we were coming because we took over the fund like halfway
- 12:57through that fund was coming to the end of its fund life that
- 13:01the end of those 10 years and it had a board of directors and we
- 13:05went to the board and we said, hey, we would like to raise
- 13:09another fund. And they said that's great, but
- 13:11the next fund really needs to be an impact fund.
- 13:14So imagine investing, shifting our investment strategy from
- 13:18investing in companies like in structure, which makes the
- 13:21largest learning management software used by K12 and
- 13:25colleges today to doing like clean water projects in Africa.
- 13:31And we're like, impact is great. You know, clearly like I love
- 13:35it, right? I've spent a lot of time doing
- 13:37that, but it was such a huge shift in strategy.
- 13:41And we talked to our students and they didn't really, you
- 13:43know, get excited about it. And So what we decided was that
- 13:48they could pursue the impact strategy, which they did.
- 13:51So University Venture Fund went on to raise a subsequent fund to
- 13:56do impact investing and we were very friendly and and happy for
- 13:59them to do that. And we spun out and launched
- 14:02University Growth Fund, raised about $32 million for our first
- 14:06fund. And we're fortunate enough to
- 14:09deploy in some really fun deals like some of the ones you
- 14:11mentioned like Spotify, Snapchat, Airbnb, Pinterest and
- 14:15and others and really providing kind of that continuing to
- 14:19provide that, that tech focused experience for our students.
- 14:24So what was it about the impact fund that was not attractive to
- 14:28you, but you just didn't see the ROI potential there?
- 14:32I know you mentioned like the students that you were working
- 14:34with, they weren't super excited about it, but clearly it aligns
- 14:37with kind of your mission purpose DNA.
- 14:42You know, honestly, I think it was because I had so much
- 14:44experience. I knew how challenging it would
- 14:46be. And part of it is I also, I
- 14:51don't know, I always, I always worry just a little bit about,
- 14:56you know, people coming from developed countries to
- 14:59developing countries and telling them what to do and how to do it
- 15:03and so forth, without actually being on the ground and spending
- 15:06meaningful time there. And so there was an element of
- 15:09like, this is great, but I feel like you kind of need to be
- 15:13there to understand it, if that makes sense.
- 15:16As consultants, our, our position was always, hey, we
- 15:21don't know what the local environment is.
- 15:23We want to work closely with you to understand that we're just
- 15:26going to bring some things that we've learned some from some
- 15:28other markets that are similar to yours and, and bring them and
- 15:32then together we can create something new and innovative
- 15:34that's effective, right. But from an investment
- 15:38perspective, you're sitting in Utah and you're making
- 15:40investments internationally just felt really challenging and
- 15:43hard. And as much as I do love impact,
- 15:47like I love tech as well. And we, we actually propose
- 15:53like, hey, can we do both? And, and there wasn't really
- 15:55room to do that. And so, yeah, we just felt like
- 16:00launching University Growth Fund would be a great way to to
- 16:03continue on the model and the impact we were having so.
- 16:07You mentioned some really big names companies that you were
- 16:10able to invest in, Snapchat, Snapchat, Pinterest.
- 16:16We had Airbnb, Spotify. How was it you guys were able to
- 16:20get access to those deals? I mean, you're raising money.
- 16:24You guys have had success, a little bit of a track record and
- 16:27correct me if I'm wrong, but traditionally those deals are
- 16:29reserved for kind of the big guys, right?
- 16:32Yeah, yeah. No, for sure.
- 16:36You know, the thing that I think has been the most impactful for
- 16:40us being able to get access to really high profile deals is
- 16:44that I don't just have a bunch of interns, right?
- 16:49We have a program where we teach people, students how to do
- 16:54venture investing and we're very authentic about it and we put a
- 16:57lot of time, energy and resources into it.
- 17:01When I'm pitching, you know, our program, it's there's a lot of
- 17:05internships programs out there. Most internships, if not all
- 17:08internships, put the intern at the periphery.
- 17:11But at University Growth Fund, we put them at the center.
- 17:14And because we put so much into it, we can speak very
- 17:17authentically about the impact we're having.
- 17:19And it turns out that most VCs and most entrepreneurs are good
- 17:23people and they love this idea. They, like most of them, wish
- 17:28that it had been around when they were in school.
- 17:30And so the idea of like, yeah, we're raising, you know, in some
- 17:33cases like $100 million. We'd be happy to carve off, you
- 17:38know, half $1,000,000 for you guys to, to participate in this
- 17:41round, right? And because I think we're, we're
- 17:46providing something that's unique and that is the ability
- 17:48to give back while taking investment dollars.
- 17:52And then we also have this army of students that we use to help
- 17:56these portfolio companies as well.
- 17:58And so the founders really like that aspect as well.
- 18:01And so it's kind of this combination of having like a
- 18:03really unique story that we can be authentic about as well as
- 18:07some unique value add that we can add.
- 18:11And that's just been really powerful, whether it's
- 18:12convincing a founder to let us in or convincing A venture fund
- 18:16to bring us into one of their deals, that that's how we've
- 18:20gotten access to the majority of of these deals.
- 18:23So from a practical standpoint, what does it really look like on
- 18:27the ground for students to be at the center of this rather than
- 18:30the periphery? Sure.
- 18:32So I the way it typically flows is I'll meet with a founder of a
- 18:39company and hear the pitch to ensure that it fits our box
- 18:43because I don't want to waste our students time and I don't
- 18:47want to waste founders time either.
- 18:48So assuming that fits within our strike zone, then I will
- 18:53introduce the students to the founder and the students get to
- 18:57sit down with the founder. They get to hear the pitch
- 19:00directly from the founder. They get asked questions often
- 19:03times, if not always, we get access to a full data room that
- 19:06includes all the things you'd expect, the financials, the cap
- 19:09table, the, the forecast, the, the, the pitch deck, etcetera.
- 19:15The students then dig into that. They do research on that.
- 19:19They do research outside of that, talking to industry
- 19:23experts and so forth. That comes together in a, you
- 19:27know, 50 to 80 page investment memorandum.
- 19:30So it's long and detailed, and then the students, they pitch it
- 19:33to the other students and everybody votes.
- 19:38All the students vote. I don't actually have a vote,
- 19:40technically. And so the students vote on
- 19:43whether or not we do the deal. If they approve it, then we have
- 19:47an investment committee of individuals from different
- 19:50venture funds that graciously donate their time to support the
- 19:53program and the students pitch to them, which helps do two
- 19:58things. One, it helps us avoid any like
- 20:01terrible, terrible investments. And two, those students learn
- 20:05more in that hour long conversation than they do in
- 20:08like a whole semester worth of classes because you just get
- 20:12peppered with all of these hard hitting questions that are based
- 20:15on decades of investment experience.
- 20:18And so it's both educational as well as helping us, you know,
- 20:22make good investments. And then once that investment
- 20:25committee has come to a recommendation to go or no go,
- 20:29we follow through with that and then we look for ways to add
- 20:32value, typically through different consulting projects
- 20:35with that company. So the students are really
- 20:37involved like throughout the process, you know, I joke my job
- 20:43is to get their coffee. And sometimes that's literally
- 20:46so like I'll do a Costco run and, and load up the break room
- 20:49with lots of snacks and coffee and other stuff for them.
- 20:52So. So it's interesting what you're
- 20:54describing. It's almost like there's a
- 20:55firewall there for, you know, the senior advisor can kind of,
- 20:59you know, have an eyeball on it, like you said, to prevent like a
- 21:01really terrible investment from happening.
- 21:04But otherwise, you've mostly got the students sort of at the
- 21:07wheel driving this and it sounds like it would be a tremendous
- 21:11learning experience. Do you run into any resistance
- 21:15from your investors? I mean, clearly they know what
- 21:18they're getting into, but when you're pitching somebody new or
- 21:21they sort of like, wait a minute, I'm giving my money to,
- 21:24who do you give any of that? For sure, yeah.
- 21:28And then look, there are some, we know who we are and who we
- 21:31aren't. And there are a lot of investors
- 21:34that just look at this and say, yeah, like you guys may have
- 21:38great performance and great track, right.
- 21:40But I'm not going to risk my day job right on, on investing in a
- 21:45bunch of students. But I think for those that are,
- 21:49you know, willing to kind of look past that and see the
- 21:52advantages that we have, you know, I think they've been
- 21:56really happy with the performance they've seen over
- 21:58the years. And so, yeah, it's, it's a mix
- 22:02of, you know, large financial institutions and then also
- 22:06family offices and high net worth individuals that are make
- 22:09up our investor base. Where we don't do well is
- 22:13anywhere where there's kind of a gatekeeper, you know, an advisor
- 22:16that's advising like a large endowment or that sort of thing.
- 22:22Because again, like they're just, they're just too risk
- 22:24averse. They'd rather invest their money
- 22:26into a, a much larger, more established brand than a small
- 22:30fund like ours. But that's OK.
- 22:32We don't need like billions of dollars under management in
- 22:36order for our program to work. So.
- 22:38You mentioned that one of the other benefits is that the port
- 22:42coast kind of end up with an army of students that can help.
- 22:46What does that mean? So, you know, sometimes that
- 22:50doesn't help very much if you're Spotify, right, really big
- 22:53business lot of people, but for smaller companies, because you
- 22:58know, we'll, we'll work with some pretty small businesses.
- 23:00They're strapped for for resources.
- 23:04And so the same caliber of student that goes through our
- 23:07program is the same caliber that's going to land a job at
- 23:10like a McKinsey or a Bane or a Goldman Sachs investment
- 23:14banking. So they're really smart, really
- 23:16driven students. And excuse me, we have those
- 23:23students really engage in different projects.
- 23:26So we've done everything from we had one company where the CFO
- 23:30left in the middle of a fundraise.
- 23:32We stepped in and rebuilt their entire financial model and
- 23:36forecast model and help them close over $10 million in
- 23:39funding. We've helped one company that
- 23:43does consumer products reach out to several 100 micro influencers
- 23:47and place product with them that were like very strategic for
- 23:52them. We've analyzed new markets for
- 23:55companies to enter. We've had companies dump just
- 23:59massive amounts of data on us, and we've parsed through the
- 24:02data to find interesting insights to help them with their
- 24:04sales and marketing. So it's really kind of a variety
- 24:07of things. But invariably when I meet with
- 24:10founders, they've got a list of 100 things they're trying to get
- 24:13done. We don't promise that we can
- 24:15help with the top 50. Like I just won't even pretend
- 24:18like we'll be helpful there. But on the bottom 50, I'm
- 24:22certain there's a handful of stuff that we could knock out.
- 24:25And every founder I've ever met is immediately like, Oh yeah, I
- 24:28can think of like 5 things right now that like it's something I
- 24:32would love to know or get to, but I just just can never get to
- 24:35it. But if I could staff like 5 to
- 24:3710 really smart, eager students to crank on it for me, it would
- 24:41be amazing. So.
- 24:43Now, if the experience alone was the only thing that the students
- 24:47were getting, that would be tremendous.
- 24:49Hard to put a, you know, a price tag on that.
- 24:52But are they receiving anything else that college credit, any
- 24:56other sort of like compensation for this?
- 24:58Yeah. So we have a stipend program.
- 25:00We have, we have two layers of stipends, so and scholarships.
- 25:04So we we provide scholarships to the students, which is kind of
- 25:08like a stipend. And then we have an additional
- 25:11scholarship or stipend available for needs based students that
- 25:17need like a little bit more in order to survive.
- 25:19So we don't want people to not do this program because they
- 25:22can't afford it. And the reason for that is
- 25:24because we're just very confident in the outcomes that
- 25:28our program can produce. So our students on average are
- 25:32making about 120% more than their peers at graduation.
- 25:38And more importantly, they're landing jobs and careers that
- 25:41really just set them up for the rest of their life.
- 25:44So they're making, you know, a multiple of what their peers are
- 25:47making, you know, 5-10 years into their career because really
- 25:51that first job really sets them up, you know, throughout the
- 25:55rest of their life. So that's, those are the things
- 25:59that we really sell on is, you know, come in, get this amazing
- 26:03experience, especially because of like we're going to give you
- 26:06stuff that you probably won't get to do until several years
- 26:10after you've started your career normally.
- 26:13And you can leverage that then to land amazing jobs and, and do
- 26:19amazing things. And it's going to be a little
- 26:21bit, you know, it's going to be a lot of work.
- 26:23So our students put in about 20 hours a week and it can be a
- 26:27little bit of a grind for them, but it just, you know, hopefully
- 26:30they're good investors and, and they're willing to put in the
- 26:33effort and the time to make it, to make it work because the
- 26:35payoff is definitely there on the backside.
- 26:37So. And the kinds of places that
- 26:39these students are going after graduation, I think you
- 26:42mentioned, like Mackenzie Bain. Yeah, places like that.
- 26:45Yeah. So this program was really
- 26:47designed because Utah was viewed as a fly over state in the
- 26:52early, you know, 2000s and not a lot of people know about Utah.
- 26:56I feel like that that cat's out of the bag a little bit, but you
- 27:01know, the students here just really struggle to compete with
- 27:04students on the coasts. And so this program was designed
- 27:07as a way to give them a leg up on that and and it's been really
- 27:12effective at doing that. So our what we tell students is
- 27:16you can leverage our program to get work to wherever you want to
- 27:19go as it relates to finance, entrepreneurship, etcetera.
- 27:23So we have students at all the top investment banks.
- 27:27We have students that have gone on to work at large private
- 27:29equity funds, venture capital funds, hedge funds, real estate
- 27:33funds, all the big management consulting shops like the
- 27:37Mackenzie's out there. We've had students go work for
- 27:41for tech companies and we've had students start their own
- 27:44companies and raise money from, you know, big powerhouse VCs
- 27:48like Andreessen Horowitz and others.
- 27:50So it really is like whatever you want to to pursue like this,
- 27:55the experience you gain at UGF is just, you know, so helpful
- 27:59in, in landing that because it's so unique and differentiated.
- 28:04You said that you're very confident in what your
- 28:07investment results are. What makes you so confident?
- 28:10Let me let me change that question a little bit.
- 28:14What what has contributed to such a successful track record
- 28:18for you guys? Yeah.
- 28:21So my confidence comes from having done this for 15 years
- 28:24and seeing the results of that. And I think it's a lot of the
- 28:28things that we talked about in that we do spend a lot of time
- 28:32and energy to create a really authentic program for students
- 28:36where, you know, they can learn a lot.
- 28:40But we also, you know, we have robust training programs.
- 28:43We put them through like we don't just throw them in the
- 28:45deep end and hope they can swim like we, we do a lot to support
- 28:48them in that. And then what's what's been
- 28:51amazing is because we're so impactful on these students and
- 28:58so critical in helping them land those jobs and and tee up the
- 29:02career that they really want. They become incredibly loyal
- 29:06back to the organization and it creates this beautiful flywheel
- 29:09where they're helping the next generation of students land
- 29:13those amazing jobs. They're also driving deal flow
- 29:16back to us. So they're working at great
- 29:19companies, they're starting great companies, they're working
- 29:22at great venture funds and so forth and finding ways to drive
- 29:26deal flow back to us, which is also, you know, incredibly
- 29:29helpful. Like we just wrote a check into
- 29:32Open AI and that was largely driven by one of our alumni that
- 29:37went through our program that that helped bring us into that
- 29:39deal. So there's, you know, a lot of
- 29:43interesting things that come out of that right of kind of doing
- 29:48things for the right reason and then seeing the the results kind
- 29:52of compound over time. How competitive is it to get
- 29:56into the program? How many students do you have
- 29:58apply? How many do you accept?
- 30:00So we have about 50 students in the program today across 14
- 30:05different schools and it's about an 8% acceptance rate.
- 30:12So it's pretty competitive. What are you looking for?
- 30:16So what we don't look for is a ton of experience because
- 30:18students don't have it. What we look for is 3 things.
- 30:23I look for people that are really smart and there are a lot
- 30:27of ways to be smart. You just have to demonstrate to
- 30:30me how you're smart. And, and the reason for that is
- 30:33because we're looking at so many different deals.
- 30:35You got to get up the learning curve super fast on every deal,
- 30:39right? The other thing we look for is
- 30:42people that are really passionate about what we do.
- 30:45So it could be you're super passionate about AI and tech, or
- 30:48you could be really passionate about entrepreneurship or really
- 30:51passionate about investing. But it like there needs to be
- 30:54something in you that's pushing you forward because there will
- 30:57be times where the work gets tough and you need something to
- 31:02kind of push you through that. It's kind of like that saying
- 31:04like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to
- 31:07drink. And so we think a lot about
- 31:09that. Like I can take almost anybody
- 31:12that's passionate about doing this and get them there, But
- 31:15they they got to come, you know, passionate and ready to go.
- 31:19And then the last thing they look for is people that are
- 31:21great team players that, you know, they check the ego at the
- 31:24door. We, I describe our culture
- 31:28internally as a collaborative meritocracy, which might sound
- 31:33counterintuitive, but the reason for that is because it
- 31:37university growth funds is one of those places where the more
- 31:40you put in, the more you get out.
- 31:42And that's the meritocracy part. The collaborative part is we do
- 31:46everything in teams and there are rewards to spending time
- 31:51helping your peers learn stuff in advance because that's how
- 31:56you advance within the organization as well.
- 31:58That's how you become a leader within our organization is by
- 32:02demonstrating that ability to teach, training, coach those
- 32:05that are below you, if that makes sense.
- 32:08And so you guys are exclusively tech focused.
- 32:11So software, hardware, these are the kinds of areas that you play
- 32:17in. Yeah, there needs to be some
- 32:19sort of tech piece of it at play.
- 32:22So, but, but tech is like can can be kind of loose.
- 32:28So like we invested in a company called Kopari.
- 32:32Kopari is a predominantly women's cosmetic and like they
- 32:44sell like sunscreen and and other kind of nutraceutical type
- 32:47products, but they sell like 50% of their businesses online sold
- 32:51online, right. So e-commerce business using
- 32:55technology to to sell and distribute products qualifies
- 32:58for us. On the other end of the
- 33:00spectrum, like I mentioned, like we're in open AI, you know, very
- 33:05deep technology type stuff. So pretty pretty broad range.
- 33:09We've done business services in the tech space, a bunch of
- 33:15different consumer products, deals, hardware, software,
- 33:19cybersecurity, all kinds. What's an example of a business
- 33:22services company that you've invested in?
- 33:24So we invested in a company called Simplis.
- 33:27Simplis was a business that would help people install and
- 33:31customize Salesforce implementations.
- 33:35So kind of a consulting business.
- 33:37What was unique about it is they grew both organically and
- 33:41inorganically because they would buy other consulting businesses
- 33:45and roll them into the business and then ultimately were
- 33:48acquired by Infosys a few years ago.
- 33:52Is there a particular trend that you're seeing in all the
- 33:57investing that you're doing that you're really excited about?
- 34:01So I think the big trend is the obvious one, which is just AI
- 34:07impacting literally everything. And so I've been thinking a lot
- 34:12about what that means. I remember when I was fairly
- 34:15early on in my career, we went through another one of these
- 34:19like big pivot points right in technology when mobile kind of
- 34:24hit the hit the scene. And I was thinking about this
- 34:28this morning when, when mobile hit the scene, there were a
- 34:31bunch of companies that would claim to be and really position
- 34:35themselves as being mobile first, which meant, you know, I
- 34:39didn't just build something on the web and then like repurpose
- 34:43it for mobile. Like I built on mobile 1st.
- 34:46And those companies ended up most of them being extremely
- 34:49successful. So you look at like companies
- 34:51like Uber, right? It was mobile first in its
- 34:56development and, and how they saw the world and how did they
- 34:58think about things. And I think there's this new
- 35:01business which is being AI 1st and there's going to be all of
- 35:08there are all of these opportunities that just didn't
- 35:11exist before AI, just like Uber wasn't possible before we all
- 35:15had a smartphone in our pocket. I think the same thing will
- 35:19occur with with AI. And that's the thing that I'm
- 35:22thinking a lot about. I think today we're an inning
- 35:24one where everybody is just they're like slapping AI onto
- 35:29current products. And it's, it's a lot of kind of,
- 35:33you know, AI wrappers, as we call them.
- 35:36But I think we're going to start to see more and more businesses
- 35:39that are take this like AI first approach.
- 35:43And I, I'm not sure exactly where the unlock there is, but I
- 35:47think where it is, is in personalization.
- 35:51And if you as a business like like an AI first business would
- 35:56be able to create a unique solution for every single one of
- 36:01their customers in a specific vertical where they have like
- 36:04domain expertise, if that makes sense.
- 36:07And so I think there's this challenge, if you're a large
- 36:10company, how do you take this like very large platform that
- 36:15you've built and create that customized experience for your
- 36:19individual customers versus starting from ground one where
- 36:23that's just like baked into your DNA from day one, if that makes
- 36:27sense? Conceptually, it does.
- 36:30I'm curious if you've sort of envisioned like an actual
- 36:33execution of this, what what? It's always helpful to wrap our
- 36:38heads around something a little bit more specific.
- 36:40Yeah. So I mean a couple examples.
- 36:44One, which is kind of a terrifying example is instead of
- 36:49going on Netflix, right, and watching the same show that
- 36:53everybody watches, having a show dynamically in real time created
- 36:57just for you and what you like, you know, that nobody else will
- 37:02ever see, right? Because it's just really for you
- 37:05personalized. I think that's kind of 1
- 37:07extreme. I think another though, like
- 37:10more business approach would be there's companies like Airtable
- 37:16and Clickup and others that have a very like flexible platform.
- 37:22But what I want to be able to do is just be able to type into my
- 37:25keyboard and say, Hey, I want a product that solves these pain
- 37:29points for me and have the the AI automatically create the
- 37:36software that specifically solves those pain points in a
- 37:39solution that's just as elegant as you know, if I were to go out
- 37:45and buy an enterprise grade piece of software, I think click
- 37:49up and air table, we're kind of this in between solution where
- 37:53is like this very broad platform and you could kind of customize
- 37:55it, but it required a lot of work to get the customizations
- 37:58in just right. But with AI now, like we're
- 38:03getting to the point we're getting close where like I can
- 38:05just tell it to do what I need and it creates that that
- 38:09outcome. And then if you pair that with
- 38:12some sort of like unique data set that nobody else has access
- 38:17to, I think that's where you can create some some really
- 38:19interesting outcomes. So maybe that's, you know,
- 38:24you're a company that operates in the health service,
- 38:28healthcare services space, and you've just collected A
- 38:30tremendous amount of data around how people work in that space.
- 38:36And so you can feed that into your AI.
- 38:39So then when they're asking for solutions, it comes out with
- 38:43solutions that are specifically tailored to what they need and
- 38:46the outcomes they're looking for.
- 38:48Yeah, it is sort of a combination of exciting and a
- 38:51little bit weird and terrifying at the same time.
- 38:57I'd like to shift gears now, Peter.
- 38:59And obviously you're bright, successful guy.
- 39:02You've had lots of different experiences, A tremendous amount
- 39:05of success, and I'm sure that you had your hair share of
- 39:09hardships. What is maybe a serious
- 39:12challenge that you have had to overcome in your life?
- 39:15What was that? How did you get through it and
- 39:18what did you learn? Yeah.
- 39:21So I kind of sort of mentioned it earlier, but I'll give you a
- 39:26little more detail in context. So when we are going through
- 39:29that transition from university venture fund to university
- 39:34growth fund, it was kind of like a scary transition because we
- 39:39hadn't raised a fund. We didn't know if we were going
- 39:42to be able to raise a fund. We had a billionaire straight up
- 39:47say to us, you know, this is a terrible idea.
- 39:51I wouldn't invest in your fund. No one I know would invest in
- 39:54your fund. You're going to fail, right?
- 39:59And like, I had a young family. It was just really like kind of
- 40:05scary. And I remember I talked to my
- 40:08mom about it and and she was just like, I just feel like you
- 40:12need to go for it and do this. And your downside is not that
- 40:15big. And it kind of was an eye opener
- 40:17for me 'cause I was like, as I really thought through it, I was
- 40:20like, you know, my downside is really not that bad.
- 40:24Like I can get a job doing something, right.
- 40:28I'm smart enough and ambitious enough to get a job.
- 40:32It just may not be something I love doing.
- 40:34But if that's my downside, right, why would I not go and,
- 40:39and take this risk and swing hard to do something that I, I
- 40:42know I will love? And so it was challenging, like
- 40:46for the first couple years, you know, trying to go out and raise
- 40:50money from people was, was challenging, but we were
- 40:52fortunate enough to be able to, to pull it together.
- 40:55And what was interesting is we raised a little bit and we
- 40:58invested in Lyft was our very first investment.
- 41:02And then that kind of created some momentum and people were
- 41:05like, wow, like, OK, you guys are actually doing something
- 41:08interesting here. And that allowed us to raise a
- 41:10little bit more and a little bit more and, and do more deals and,
- 41:13and get some momentum going and finally raise, you know, that
- 41:16$32 million fund, first fund that we raised.
- 41:19So yeah, I don't know. I think I think a lot of it was
- 41:25just that fear of failing, right?
- 41:27But then also seeing that like maybe the downside is, is not as
- 41:31bad as I think it is. Like I'm, I'm, I'm kind of
- 41:35freaking myself out over nothing and that really I should, I
- 41:38should take the risk and, and take the plunge, right?
- 41:41Yeah, I kind of like that because I've got other friends
- 41:45and peers of mine that like to take a similar approach when
- 41:48they're kind of stressing about something that play it out to
- 41:51the worst case scenario. And well, I, I could lose my
- 41:55money and what, and then what, and, and then I, you know, maybe
- 41:58I lose my and, and then what? And, and like, what is it
- 42:02ultimately that you're most afraid of that you couldn't
- 42:04recover from? And often times when you play it
- 42:08all the way out to the possible, and it's really not that bad.
- 42:12The, the worst case scenario is something that you could still
- 42:14bounce back from. And that's exactly the exercise
- 42:16that you went through. I think it's a lot easier to go
- 42:18through that exercise when you're younger than when you're
- 42:21older and more established. But you were still at a place
- 42:24where, like you said, you had a young family.
- 42:26It wasn't just, you know, Bachelor Peter, you had, you
- 42:29know, other folks who were relying on you.
- 42:31So it certainly took some gumption.
- 42:33And the fact that you pushed through when you had a
- 42:37billionaire tell you this is a terrible idea, Peter.
- 42:41You're going to lose all your money.
- 42:42I wouldn't invest. None of my friends would invest.
- 42:46You know, I go through this on a regular basis where I'll, you
- 42:49know, spitball an idea with somebody that I respect and, you
- 42:53know, maybe they don't love it. This guy loves it, but this one,
- 42:56no, it's not going to work for these 12 reasons.
- 42:58Now I'm like, I was really excited about that.
- 43:01Now I, I don't know if, if I want to continue with it.
- 43:04And so I, I'm kind of curious when you've got somebody, you
- 43:07know, very astute, very successful, very, you know, has
- 43:11deep pockets that tells you what a horrible idea this is.
- 43:14What what caused you to push on and and sort of take that advice
- 43:18and file it away, but not have it be the ultimate roadblock for
- 43:22you? Yeah, it's a good question.
- 43:25And there there's a lot of factors there.
- 43:28You know, while you were speaking, I was thinking about
- 43:31how the big risk, of course, is I I don't do it.
- 43:36I don't pursue my dreams, right? And I end up with like a life
- 43:40I'm not really proud of, right? And like to me, that's, that's
- 43:45the worst outcome, right? Kind of those missed
- 43:48opportunities that, you know, the the missed shots I didn't
- 43:50take. So, you know, there's that.
- 43:53I think the other thing is just understanding like the biases
- 43:58that people have. So he had some biases that I
- 44:00won't go into, but you know, it, it was like, OK, that that's
- 44:04your perspective and I can see why you have it.
- 44:07And I can also see some of your biases.
- 44:10And so kind of thinking through some of those things.
- 44:13The other thing that I was thinking about as you were
- 44:16talking is so a number of years ago, they did this study where
- 44:20they, they looked at a lot of different venture funds and
- 44:23they, they wanted to see what mattered, like did consensus
- 44:30result in better investment outcomes.
- 44:33And so they looked at like how partners at different venture
- 44:37funds had voted on different deals over time.
- 44:39And then they tracked those deals to see which ones
- 44:42performed well. And what they found is that it
- 44:47was kind of binary. The deals that that did the best
- 44:52and the worst were the most controversial within the firm.
- 44:57And the the deals that had the most consensus were kind of like
- 45:01meh deals. They weren't terrible.
- 45:04Like they didn't lose all their money.
- 45:06They really didn't generate a very great return either.
- 45:09And the reason for that is because if you have too much
- 45:12consensus, you're really not doing anything that innovative
- 45:16and new and different, right? Because then everybody's like,
- 45:19Oh yeah, that's obvious. Like, of course, of course
- 45:22that's going to be successful. And what happens is there's tons
- 45:25of other people that come to that same conclusion, launch
- 45:28similar businesses, and now you're in a sea of, you know,
- 45:32lots of competitors. But if you're doing something
- 45:35like truly unique and innovative and different, you're going to
- 45:39have a lot of people that tell you it's a terrible idea.
- 45:41They just can't get it. Because they can't get it.
- 45:44I think about like Airbnb is like a great example of this,
- 45:47right? Like so many venture funds were
- 45:50like, wait, you're going to let a total stranger into your
- 45:53house, you know, for like 20 bucks or vice versa.
- 45:57Like I'm going to go into somebody else's house and
- 46:00they're, you know, they're not going to murder me in my sleep,
- 46:03you know, So there were a lot of people that passed on because
- 46:06they're like, this is just never going to be successful.
- 46:08And all of those funds had they invested would have generated
- 46:13like billions in return for their fund.
- 46:16And in venture, that's really important because in venture you
- 46:19operate under like this, this idea of power law where a few
- 46:22investments are going to return the vast majority of are going
- 46:26to generate the vast majority of your returns.
- 46:28And so like, the worst thing you could do is have lots of
- 46:32consensus, invest in Med deals that don't return very much and
- 46:36miss out on the Airbnb that that returns, you know, a multiple of
- 46:41your fund. That's fascinating.
- 46:44Do you bake that into any of the education that you're providing
- 46:47to your students in how they're trying to assess deals for UGF?
- 46:53Like you're you're sort of looking for this kind of
- 46:56friction. Yeah, for sure.
- 47:00I mean, we, you know, we love it when deals are pretty contested
- 47:03internally for a lot of reasons. If nothing else, then it shows
- 47:08the students are really passionate and engaged, right.
- 47:11And into what we're evaluating. They're taking it seriously.
- 47:14And. And you also learn a lot, right?
- 47:16You hear somebody else's argument and it gives you a
- 47:18unique perspective, a new perspective that maybe you
- 47:21hadn't considered before. So yeah, like for us, we
- 47:27probably lean a little bit more towards consensus because we
- 47:31tend to invest more, you know, at the growth stage of companies
- 47:35when they're generating millions in revenue versus swinging on
- 47:39like truly massively disruptive technologies super early on.
- 47:44But even then, like I always get a little nervous if it's like
- 47:47too easy of a slam dunk across the board so.
- 47:51You mentioned that Lyft was your first investment and that gave
- 47:56you some St. cred. Folks are like, oh, OK, let's
- 47:59pay a little bit more attention to what these guys are doing.
- 48:03How far in, how long after the initial investment was made did
- 48:07that kind of give you some St. credibility?
- 48:10Because it took a little while to evolve and become known and
- 48:16become a thing that, you know, everybody was using.
- 48:19So what was sort of that time period in between?
- 48:24It was probably about a year. I mean, Lyft was growing so fast
- 48:29that between the time we invested and, you know, a year
- 48:32later, they'd already grown like massively.
- 48:36So it was pretty quick. How did you get the first
- 48:39investor? You said it was tough early
- 48:41going. So we had an investor at
- 48:45University Venture Fund that was, you know, and to this day
- 48:48is our biggest cheerleader, this woman, Jan Ferguson, over at
- 48:52Ally Bank. And she had left.
- 48:55So UBS was an investor in University Venture Fund and she
- 48:58left UBS and went over to Ally. And she was really our first
- 49:02believer, Like we wouldn't, we wouldn't be here without her.
- 49:06And so, yeah, she she was the one that kind of went out on a
- 49:09limb and said, you know, I love what you guys do.
- 49:11I love this program. I love the impact you have on
- 49:14students. We want to support this.
- 49:17And so she made that first commitment and then that
- 49:20provided a lot of credibility to others that, you know, not only
- 49:26was like she willing to stand behind it, but stand behind it
- 49:32in a very meaningful way. And then when we layered on like
- 49:35well, and we also got access to to lift, it was kind of that
- 49:39combination of of two big points of credibility that that pushed
- 49:44us over the edge with a lot of investors, I think.
- 49:50Besides the program that you run, Peter, if somebody's
- 49:54listening and they're thinking, hey, I really want to sort of
- 49:58get my feet wet or I want to better understand this entire
- 50:02space. Do you have a resource that
- 50:05would be accessible to folks that you'd recommend, whether
- 50:08it's a book, a course, another podcast that talks all about
- 50:11this stuff? So yeah, there's a little
- 50:14self-serving, but I do have a YouTube channel you can find me
- 50:18at VC Pete and I talk about all kinds of things related to
- 50:23venture capital. And then I also do a podcast at
- 50:26VC dot FM with my Co host John Bradshaw.
- 50:30And we, we talk again about all things VC, but more in a podcast
- 50:35format and bring in different industry experts to talk about
- 50:39kind of the the latest trends that we're seeing and and get
- 50:43their perspective on, on what's going on there.
- 50:47Any particular daily habits or rituals that have been helpful
- 50:52for you, either to get your day started or to keep you on track
- 50:56during the day? So last summer I was feeling
- 51:03like I wasn't in the best like physical condition and so I
- 51:08decided to do 75 hard. If you're familiar with that
- 51:12Which? I am but explain please.
- 51:14So for 75 hard, for 75 days, you drink a gallon of water, you do
- 51:20245 minute workouts, one of which has to be outside, you
- 51:23read 10 pages in a non fiction book, you stick to a diet and
- 51:29you don't drink any alcohol. And I think I got all of them.
- 51:35And so anyways, I did it. It's not really a fitness thing
- 51:39as much as it is a self-discipline thing.
- 51:41And I felt like my life needed a little bit of a restart.
- 51:44And so I did that and it was great.
- 51:47Like with it totally, like checked that box of of kind of
- 51:51hitting restart on my, my life and my health and my own
- 51:55self-discipline and left me with the habit of now I wake up every
- 52:00morning and I, I work out for usually about 45 minutes to an
- 52:04hour. I've cleaned up my diet a ton,
- 52:07which has helped. I don't eat after 8:00 PM and I
- 52:11try to go to bed at 10:00. And all of those things have
- 52:13resulted in me just feeling like I have a ton more energy and
- 52:18just ability to tackle things. So yeah, those are those are
- 52:22probably like the little things that that I've done in the last
- 52:26call it, you know, 6 to 9 months that I felt like I've had a huge
- 52:29impact. We had fun kind of spitballing
- 52:33on the AI sort of trend that you think it is kind of coming.
- 52:40Is there something kind of non AI related that you're excited
- 52:44about in the tech spaces that you're investing in?
- 52:48So I think the space that I am personally really excited about
- 52:56is I don't, I don't believe it's been like, like now's the time
- 53:00for it to take off because of AI, but it's not an AI thing.
- 53:05And that is longevity. I think longevity is going to be
- 53:09a massive opportunity because we're now at this point where I
- 53:15think most people are starting to think about longevity.
- 53:19What do they eat? How do they exercise?
- 53:22What are the stuff that goes into their body, whether they're
- 53:24eating it or its products that they're using?
- 53:28And it's just getting more and more attention.
- 53:31And now we actually have, through AI, the data sets and
- 53:36the analytical ability to start giving really insightful
- 53:42recommendations on things that we can actively do to increase
- 53:45our longevity. When I talk about longevity, I'm
- 53:48not thinking like Brian Johnson, who wants to live forever.
- 53:51I'm thinking more along the lines like Peter Attia, where
- 53:55it's like, I just want to have a really good quality of life and
- 53:59then die and as opposed to having a diminishing quality of
- 54:02life and kind of suffering for a decade or more until I die.
- 54:06And I think more and more people are thinking about that.
- 54:09And so it, I don't know, it's just an area where where I'm
- 54:13looking at a lot of different deals and get really excited.
- 54:18I'm kind of curious, where do you think the data sets come
- 54:21from to produce those insights? So there's just so many data,
- 54:29data sources like I think the average person now, if they're
- 54:32being honest and they really like look at their life, there's
- 54:36probably like 10 to 20 data sets that are tracking their health.
- 54:42So if you have a, an Apple Watch or some others, you know, Fitbit
- 54:47or some other device tracking that a lot of people have smart
- 54:50skills. You also have your medical
- 54:52records. A lot of people are doing blood
- 54:54tests now, even your phone that just tracks like where you live,
- 54:59where you move, where you're going, what you're doing.
- 55:02All of that is data that can be ingested into providing insights
- 55:05to your health. And then you put on top of that,
- 55:09like a is ability to analyze all of these research papers and
- 55:15medical outcomes for the past, you know, 100 years in a way
- 55:20that hasn't been possible before.
- 55:23It's kind of this confluence of like all of those things
- 55:26happening at once and and being able to come together to provide
- 55:30those those insights. So are the companies that you're
- 55:33talking to thinking about investing in, are there are
- 55:37these ones that are sort of figuring out how to pull in data
- 55:41from all these disparate sources?
- 55:43Because like that's even hard for me to think about doing.
- 55:45Like how do I take the data that my phone's collecting combined
- 55:49with my medical records combined with my Apple Watch?
- 55:53And like, how do I, and then where do I put it and what, what
- 55:57is it getting compared to? I guess in my mind I was
- 56:00thinking, well, we need like massive amounts of this data for
- 56:04millions of people overtime so we could sort of see the trends
- 56:09of, oh, the people who ate less than three potato chips a day
- 56:13had, you know, 10% less cancer or, you know, something like
- 56:17that. Am I thinking about it remotely,
- 56:20correctly or put put me on track here?
- 56:23Yeah. I mean, I think, I think it's a
- 56:25fair perspective. The companies are attacking in
- 56:29all different kinds of ways. So you've got like Aura Ring
- 56:33just announced that they are wrapping in blood tests as part
- 56:39of their overall large like service offering.
- 56:41You've got companies like Function Health and Superpower
- 56:45and Life Force that also do kind of this concierge type, you
- 56:53know, medical advice where you do a blood test and you meet
- 56:57with a doctor and they give you feedback on things that you
- 57:00should adjust to your lifestyle. You've got a bunch of new
- 57:04companies that are bringing out all kinds of new devices.
- 57:08So I've, you know, like just a few months ago, I met with a
- 57:11woman out of MIT that has a test that can tell you your
- 57:15biological age based on a whole bunch of different factors
- 57:19related to your DNA and blood work and all kinds of things.
- 57:24And then, you know, I've seen lots of other companies that
- 57:27they, some of them are pulling in lots of data, some of them
- 57:30are creating new devices to collect that data.
- 57:33I think there's a lot of different approaches to it.
- 57:37And that's what I think is really exciting.
- 57:39You know, the, the CEO of Coinbase just raised like $140
- 57:45million for a new therapeutic that is based on editing your,
- 57:51your genes at the cellular level to, to solve all kinds of
- 57:57different problems. So there's a, there's just like
- 57:59a tremendous amount of people that are thinking about
- 58:01longevity and approaching it in different ways.
- 58:05I do think though, like why isn't there a platform that
- 58:09pulls in all of that data into one place, you know?
- 58:13That's the product. Yeah, well, you know, this is my
- 58:17frustration when I did 75 Heart is I was tracking my diet was I
- 58:22could eat anything I wanted, but I had to track it.
- 58:25And because I believe that anything that gets measured gets
- 58:28improved. And and so I was like, I I'm
- 58:31just going to track it. And sure enough, my diet
- 58:34improved massively, but I was like, I can't compare.
- 58:39I bought one of those smart scales that tells me when my
- 58:41body fat percentage and I just wanted to see the correlation of
- 58:46my sugar intake versus my body fat percentage.
- 58:49And I couldn't do it. There was like no easy way to do
- 58:51it other than downloading, you know, data sets into CSV files.
- 58:56And running continuous glucose monitor would kind of get you in
- 58:59that direction, right? Yeah.
- 59:02I mean, you know, and like there's some stuff that kind of
- 59:04directionally points you in the right direction, but I don't
- 59:09know, it feels like there's like a missing opportunity, a hole
- 59:12there. I, I agree and it's going to be
- 59:15fun to follow. Just got one more question for
- 59:18you, Peter. But before I ask it, I want to
- 59:19do 2 things. First, I'm going to invite
- 59:20everyone listening. Go ahead and hit the follow
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- 59:27with Peter Harris from University Growth Fund.
- 59:30Peter, I also want to let people know the best way to get in
- 59:33touch with you. I'm going to point them to your
- 59:34website, which is the letter U growthfund.com, but are there
- 59:39other ways? You also mentioned your YouTube
- 59:41channel and your podcast. Any other ways for folks to
- 59:44connect with you or follow your story?
- 59:47Yeah, I think those two are probably the best.
- 59:49My YouTube channel at vcpete.com, you can find me on
- 59:52LinkedIn as well, just Peter Harris and I do have another
- 59:56website which is also vcpete.com.
- 59:59So anyone else? What will folks?
- 1:00:01Find at that website. That mostly links out to a lot
- 1:00:06of my podcasts and YouTube channels and you know, other
- 1:00:09things so place than university growth fund for my my personal
- 1:00:14content. And we'll include links to all
- 1:00:16these resources in the show notes, folks.
- 1:00:19But last question for you, Peter.
- 1:00:20Let's say you and I connect again in a year and you're
- 1:00:23celebrating something you're super excited about.
- 1:00:25What is that thing? So we are, you know, as I think
- 1:00:31about like, what's the future of university growth fund, right?
- 1:00:35Like I always want to push the boundaries and do more
- 1:00:38interesting things. And it's not just, well, we're
- 1:00:41going to raise another fund and deploy into similar deals.
- 1:00:44What I want to do is I want to impact more and more students.
- 1:00:48I want to impact more students and impact them in different
- 1:00:51ways. And so one of those ways that
- 1:00:54we're thinking about it is can we expand the asset class?
- 1:00:59So today we do venture and growth equity investing into
- 1:01:02venture backed startups. But in the future I would love
- 1:01:05to do private credit, private equity, real estate.
- 1:01:10And so maybe in a year from now, like I'm celebrating the launch
- 1:01:14of, you know, one of those funds where we're broadening the
- 1:01:19impact and the experience that students have beyond just
- 1:01:22venture capital to a bunch of these other asset classes so
- 1:01:26that they can get kind of more broad experience and, and also
- 1:01:31that we can, you know, generate interesting returns for our
- 1:01:34investors. All right.
- 1:01:37Well, Peter Harris University Growth Fund, I want to be the
- 1:01:40first one to thank you for sharing both your time and your
- 1:01:43story with us today. I'm really grateful.
- 1:01:46Well, thank you for the time. This is a really fun
- 1:01:48conversation, I appreciate it. Folks, that's a wrap on another
- 1:01:51episode of the Inspired Stories podcast.
- 1:01:53Thanks for learning with us today.