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IFH 795: Balancing Hollywood Productions and Indie Passion Projects with Jamie Buckner · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: What do you do if you have a movie.
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  Speaker 4: If you make a movie and you find out that
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  Speaker 4: a very famous filmmaker also has the movie the exact
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  Speaker 4: same title coming out at the same time, you do, Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's what we're gonna find out, aren't we In this
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  Speaker 4: next episode that I have a filmmaker who comes to
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  Speaker 4: us from Louisville, Kentucky.
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  Speaker 3: He lives in New York.
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  Speaker 4: Now he has worked with some of the biggest directors
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  Speaker 4: of all time. He's worked on as a production manager,
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  Speaker 4: production coordinator, he's worked as a PA, he's worked his
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  Speaker 4: way up, and he's.
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  Speaker 3: Also made his own movie.
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  Speaker 4: And we talked about how he found time to actually
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  Speaker 4: write this thing as he has he's going to all
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  Speaker 4: these different productions, and what did he learn by reading
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  Speaker 4: all these scripts and all.
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  Speaker 3: This other good stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So sit back and get ready to hear a tale
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  Speaker 4: about two filmmakers, each of whom has a movie called Split.
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  Speaker 4: This isn't Split, the one with m Night Shyamalan.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, if have you listened to the episode.
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  Speaker 4: With producer Mark Bienstock, I was actually his TA when
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  Speaker 4: he was teaching at drugs here in Philadelphia. It's a
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  Speaker 4: great episode, by the way. We kind of brush on
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  Speaker 4: that in this episode. But this is a different split.
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  Speaker 4: This is a bullet This is the romantic bowling movie
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  Speaker 4: Split with guest Jamie Buckner.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would need to say many do you you know,
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  Speaker 5: really what's a number number? How many years ago? Yes?
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  Speaker 5: So there are many short and long versions of this,
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  Speaker 5: but so effectively, I back in high school sort of
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  Speaker 5: came to this revelation. Well, I guess it was kind
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  Speaker 5: of early college trying to figure out a college major. Basically,
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  Speaker 5: I started as an art major, thinking like, okay, I
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  Speaker 5: like a draw maybe I could. I kind of wanted
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  Speaker 5: to draw comics for a little while, didn't really tried
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  Speaker 5: that for a little bit, found that that wasn't for me.
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  Speaker 5: It was like, all right, maybe I'll be a music major.
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  Speaker 5: I love making music. I've been playing bass and guitar
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  Speaker 5: for a while. I mean, like learn the actual like
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  Speaker 5: mathematics of music and like learn to read it and
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  Speaker 5: learn the theory and all that sort of stuff. Got
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  Speaker 5: into that that wasn't for me. I thought I was
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  Speaker 5: gonna be arc tech for a while, though. I just
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  Speaker 5: kind of dabbled in so many different things and it
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  Speaker 5: just sort of dawned on me at one point. I
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  Speaker 5: think it was just mid conversation with a friend about
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  Speaker 5: how I had always been really into movies just as
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  Speaker 5: of just a thing, and it's just like I was
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  Speaker 5: like the guy that people talk to you about movies.
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  Speaker 5: I was like really into particular directors and particular types
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  Speaker 5: of genres and all these things. Like I was just
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  Speaker 5: one of those kids back in the nineties that was
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  Speaker 5: just you know, I'm sure you count yourself amongst this number.
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  Speaker 5: That was just like one of the You're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the movie guy. That's Jamie. You'll talk to Jamie. I'll
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  Speaker 5: tell you all about like you know whatever, different Spielberg,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Tarantino coming around at the time, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like down to you know, like I was getting into
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  Speaker 5: sturges and like trufaux and stuff like that, like whatever,
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  Speaker 5: just all of the like early days like film nerds stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And it sort of dawned on me at a certain
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  Speaker 5: point that all of these things that I had been
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  Speaker 5: dabbling in and I was sort of interested in from
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  Speaker 5: a creative, creative way of looking at things all sort
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  Speaker 5: of came together in this one medium. All sort of
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  Speaker 5: were just like, you know, storyboarding is drawing, you know,
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  Speaker 5: music is heavily involved in you know, you know, even photography.
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  Speaker 5: It just basically everything that I really sort of wanted
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  Speaker 5: to do but didn't want to hard commit to one
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  Speaker 5: or the other all sort of came together in this
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  Speaker 5: one thing that I already loved. So I went to
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  Speaker 5: Northern Kentucky University up by Cincinnati, which did not have
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  Speaker 5: a film program, but what did have a terrific theater
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  Speaker 5: program and had what was is now known as an
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  Speaker 5: informatics eMedia program, but back in the day it was
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  Speaker 5: when I was going there was just a communications radio
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  Speaker 5: and television communications program. Took all of the film ish
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  Speaker 5: movie ish classes that I could screenwriting, playwriting, all that
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  Speaker 5: sort of stuff as well, sort of made the best
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  Speaker 5: of what was available there, and read a lot of
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  Speaker 5: books on my own, screenwriting books, you know, production books,
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  Speaker 5: film theory books, et cetera. So on. And one day,
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  Speaker 5: as I was working in a Sunglass hut in downtown,
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  Speaker 5: since I saw in the tower Place mall that I
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  Speaker 5: was working in, there was a flyer for people to
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  Speaker 5: come to a certain hotel on a certain day to
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  Speaker 5: be extras in the movie Seabiscuit, this horse racing movie
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  Speaker 5: that was shooting down in Lexington. So I go. Turns
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  Speaker 5: out I fit the costume parameters, which is really all
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  Speaker 5: you needed to do to be a part of that,
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  Speaker 5: and I went in was an extra in the movie
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  Speaker 5: Sea Biscuit in freezing cold November of two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 5: I believe, and maybe three I think it was two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and two, but I got down there, I slept
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  Speaker 5: on the floor of my friend's dorm room at Eastern
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  Speaker 5: Kentucky University, and I bugged the holy hell out of
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  Speaker 5: all of the production people down there until they would
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  Speaker 5: give me the time of day. I made just enough
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  Speaker 5: friends to make some more friends from there. To make
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  Speaker 5: some more friends from there, started working as a camera
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  Speaker 5: person camera pa as I was also moonlighting as a
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  Speaker 5: dat school teacher during the day at my old high school.
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  Speaker 5: Worked on an indie project for a director that is
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  Speaker 5: also from louisvill who's a good friend of mine now
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  Speaker 5: who we've actually worked on several other projects together. So
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  Speaker 5: on and so forth, did his many projects because I
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  Speaker 5: could in Kentucky. Ultimately decided to move to New York
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  Speaker 5: versus LA. Came up to New York. Worked on my
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  Speaker 5: first production up here, which was this movie that was
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  Speaker 5: a remake of The Honeymooners called The Honeymooners, with like
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  Speaker 5: John Leguizamo and Cedric the Entertainer I believe, but that
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  Speaker 5: was a few weeks. It was my first job. My
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  Speaker 5: foot was in the door up there up here in
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  Speaker 5: New York that happened to be happening in the same
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  Speaker 5: building as the production office for War of the Worlds.
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  Speaker 5: They called downstairs and were like, do you have any
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  Speaker 5: pas that are not terrible? Luckily they threw my name
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  Speaker 5: in there. I worked on more of the Worlds for
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  Speaker 5: a little while. I have some cool stories from that.
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  Speaker 5: That was fun. Office uptown for the Newmartin Scorsese movie
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  Speaker 5: The Departed calls same question, do you have any pas
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  Speaker 5: that aren't awful? And they're like, Yeah, this kid's not terrible.
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  Speaker 5: We dig him. He's kind of fun to be around
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  Speaker 5: and he doesn't screw things up too bad. So I
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  Speaker 5: end up working on to Depart it for almost a year,
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  Speaker 5: and then another Warner Bros. Movie comes after that called
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  Speaker 5: August Rush, so we stay in the same office we
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  Speaker 5: work on that, and I'm now in with this team,
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  Speaker 5: and we roll on from another production to another production,
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  Speaker 5: and then you know, the resume kind of speaks for
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  Speaker 5: itself from there. It just kind of it just becomes this.
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  Speaker 5: You work with enough people and they get jobs and
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  Speaker 5: they call and see what you're doing, and you go
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  Speaker 5: and you bounce onto that, and you bounce onto that,
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  Speaker 5: and all the while I was still working on my
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  Speaker 5: own things and shooting music videos for friends bands between
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  Speaker 5: jobs and doing little shorts when I could doing those silly,
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  Speaker 5: little weak make a movie in a weekend, forty eight
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  Speaker 5: hour projects in all that time working on this, rewriting, rewriting, reworking,
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  Speaker 5: planning for Split, my first feature, which we just put
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  Speaker 5: out last August. So that is sort of the I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure I missed some things, but that is basically the
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  Speaker 5: trajectory of how I got here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I'm actually looking at your IMDb right now,
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  Speaker 4: and like you were production coordinator on john Wick Chapter two.
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: I actually had the writer of john Wick one and two,
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  Speaker 4: Derek Colstead, on the podcast before.
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  Speaker 5: He's like the coolest guy on the planet. He found
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  Speaker 5: out me and one of our coworkers on that was
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  Speaker 5: from Kentucky, and he bought us a bottle of Woodford
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  Speaker 5: Reserve bourbon that I had somehow never seen. I've never
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  Speaker 5: seen this size available, this size of bottle, and we
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  Speaker 5: somehow managed to go through almost all of it over
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  Speaker 5: the course of late nights in that office. But no,
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  Speaker 5: Derek is the coolest guy too. He would just like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm just some random shmo working on the production.
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  Speaker 5: He has no reason to be sitting there and shooting
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  Speaker 5: the you know, shooting the breeze with us. Until the
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  Speaker 5: wee hours of the night, but we would just talk
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  Speaker 5: about movies and I think we talked about the Twilight
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  Speaker 5: Zone in particular episodes we loved for like two hours
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  Speaker 5: one night. He's just a what a red guy that
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  Speaker 5: Derek is right. I'm sure I gotta go back and
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: listen to that episode. I didn't realize you had him on.
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  Speaker 5: That's cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, really really cool guy. And I got introduced to
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  Speaker 4: him through another writer friend of ours.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, this guy's not going to say
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  Speaker 4: yes to come down and share with me, and he
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  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I love to.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course you will. Yeah, he's great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic guy. And I'm actually really glad too that
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  Speaker 4: John Wick both one and two were box office hits
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  Speaker 4: as well as critical hits, because I love to see
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  Speaker 4: when good things happen to good people.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh yeah. You always you always, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you always want that to be the case. And it's funny.
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  Speaker 5: I've seen I've seen it go all different sorts of
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  Speaker 5: directions where the people you know and again on the
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  Speaker 5: seen the spirit of positivity will necessarily name names with
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  Speaker 5: people who aren't such great salt of the earth, people
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  Speaker 5: like you're Derek, Coolestad's of the world have success and
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  Speaker 5: you're kind of like, yeah, all right, that's going to
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  Speaker 5: perpetuate some bad behavior. Or I've also seen some people
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  Speaker 5: that are really really terrific, like just really great, really fun,
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  Speaker 5: really talented people, and then the movies tank and that's
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  Speaker 5: a bummer to see too. But so yeah, the when
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  Speaker 5: the when the optimum scenario happens and it's just really
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  Speaker 5: good people make really good work and it's really successful.
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  Speaker 5: That's what we're all hoping for. Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I just going back to
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  Speaker 4: your career, you know, as you as you know you
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  Speaker 4: worked on as crew for all these films. Again, I'm
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  Speaker 4: looking at your IMDb. You know, how did you find
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  Speaker 4: the time to actually sit down and write Splits? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I know it started off as a short film before
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  Speaker 4: you made it into a feature, so you know, back
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  Speaker 4: in twenty ten, you know, when you made this short.
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  Speaker 4: You know, how did you find the time between these jobs?
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  Speaker 4: You know, because it seems like you're going from job
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  Speaker 4: to job, you know, production and production, So how did
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  Speaker 4: you find the time to actually sit down and write
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  Speaker 4: write this out.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you just kind of have to just the
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  Speaker 5: original script I've had sort of with me for a while,
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  Speaker 5: like from when I first started working in production basically,
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  Speaker 5: and it's really just been a matter of, like you
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  Speaker 5: just have to if what you want to do is
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  Speaker 5: be creative and you don't want it, because it's really
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  Speaker 5: easy to get stuck. I could just completely just rest
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  Speaker 5: on my laurels, keep working and keep doing what I
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  Speaker 5: do well, and just you know, and I'll eventually, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, just keep production managing and supervising and things
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  Speaker 5: and wine producing smaller things and then I'm mine producing
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  Speaker 5: bigger things and then I'm on to you know, I
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  Speaker 5: could do that and next thing, you know, I'll blink,
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  Speaker 5: I'm six years old and I'm doing really well, but
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  Speaker 5: not exactly what I want to be doing. So if
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  Speaker 5: you really want to, and it's just really easy to
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  Speaker 5: get stuck in any particular discipline, you know, like there's
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  Speaker 5: people who get stuck in the camera department who would
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  Speaker 5: rather be you know, writing or directing or whatever, and
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  Speaker 5: that's not a terrible transition, but like there are people
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  Speaker 5: you know that end up being key grips or gaffers
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  Speaker 5: that feel like they can't make the transition because the
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  Speaker 5: money gets good at a certain point and they just
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  Speaker 5: kind of keep working, or art department locations, you know,
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: you can you kind of there's so many different, little
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  Speaker 5: specific disciplines that are super important to various productions, and
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  Speaker 5: you don't want to make light of it any of those
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  Speaker 5: at all. But if it's not where your heart is
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent, you just kind of always have to
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  Speaker 5: find the time when you can without compromising your you know,
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  Speaker 5: your day to day work. I just I just always
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  Speaker 5: prioritize finding the time whenever I could to go back
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  Speaker 5: and do a little rewriting or go back and do
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  Speaker 5: a little uh, you know, prep work of like you know,
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  Speaker 5: trying to figure out where locations would be. And we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about over the course of years and years, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like in talking to different actors and talking to different
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  Speaker 5: writers helping give me notes, and you know, the producers
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  Speaker 5: talking about how like, you know, how do you raise
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  Speaker 5: money for these things? How do you set up a
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: you know, a small corporate, you know, because you end
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: up being a small business basically when you make a movie,
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: not even basically you are a small business. You have
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: to you have to basically teach yourself how to be
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  Speaker 5: an entrepreneur in a very sort of tweaked way. But
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  Speaker 5: you really, I just I just kind of made the time.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Like if I if we got done shooting
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  Speaker 5: early on a production and like I had a few
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  Speaker 5: hours left in the office and everybody was like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: quit in time, I'm going a happy hour, I would,
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  Speaker 5: you know, be like, all right, guys, great, just you know,
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  Speaker 5: leave one light on. I'm gonna stay here for five
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  Speaker 5: or six hours, and you know, like pound away on
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  Speaker 5: my script or like you know, I also would work
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  Speaker 5: on other scripts to sort of like you know, get
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  Speaker 5: a fresh eye on a different story and sort of
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: think outside of the the like bowling rom com Box
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: and like go and like do a script contest and
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  Speaker 5: like write a horror movie in ten pages and then
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  Speaker 5: that would somehow inform a joke somewhere within, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So you really just sort of have to always the
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  Speaker 5: creative muscle, I'd like to think, and you know, there's
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  Speaker 5: much wiser people that can probably say it much better
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  Speaker 5: than me, But I think the creative muscle and like
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  Speaker 5: the energy that you that you put into it are
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  Speaker 5: just very important. It has to be constant because it's
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  Speaker 5: like a muscle, you know, it's exactly like it's exactly
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  Speaker 5: what it is like. It will atrophy if you don't
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  Speaker 5: exercise it regularly. So as far as how I did it,
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  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. I just basically every moment that
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  Speaker 5: I can find free that you know, you also have
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  Speaker 5: to find time for rest too, Like I'm not just
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  Speaker 5: completely twenty four to seven like get, You've got to
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  Speaker 5: be wise enough to know when to take a break
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  Speaker 5: when you're actually burning a candle at both ends and
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  Speaker 5: you're compromising other parts of your life, or you're compromising
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  Speaker 5: the creativity, or you're compromising the paycheck job, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and none of those things can happen. So you just
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  Speaker 5: have to be very keenly aware of how important rest
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  Speaker 5: is with all of this as well. But whenever I
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  Speaker 5: had an opportunity, I'd be writing or talking to people
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  Speaker 5: about raising money, or you know, talking actors or talking
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  Speaker 5: a little little bit of this, a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 5: And then it finally came to a point where I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: if we're going to do this, let's take the first
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  Speaker 5: like seven or eight pages. I forget what it was
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  Speaker 5: of the script, let's do what I think I'd heard
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: other people do before at that point, and I was like,
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: I think we're going to have to do a kickstarter
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: to raise enough money to start raising money, because I
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: knew it would cost a little money to get a
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: lawyer to start a company to you know, get a
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: couple of wheels rolling to then like then be able
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: to go out and like actually raise private equity. So
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: I was like, I think I want to do a
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: kickstarter to raise money in order to start raising real money.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: In order to do that, I would like to do
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: what I started referring people called it a sizzle reel.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I hate the term sizzle reel because it's just not
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: what this was. And people kept referring to it as that,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: and I get the place of a sizzle reel. I
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: don't even know if people say that anymore, but it
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: just drove me crazy. I don't know, I don't know.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: But it's called proof of concept.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: Now that's okay. See that's what I started calling it,
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: not even knowing anyone called that that. So that's funny
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: because I was just like, this is my this, this
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: will be like my my like proof of concept piece.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: This will be my Hey, we're going to make a
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: bullying rom com. Oh does that sound silly? Well, I
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: don't think it's completely silly. Here's exactly what I have
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: in mind, so that you can put in front of
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: like a potential investor or an actor. This is what
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: I have in mind. So we shot that two days
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: over a weekend in queen I still stand that. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: think I'm the only person ever to shoot Queens for Kentucky.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: So we shot this in like a double decker bowling
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: alley way out in Queen's with It's so funny that short.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Just the cast that we got for that short is
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: now all super famous, which is hilarious. So but it
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: was so there was just this killer group of people
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: called in all these favors, like one of the top
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: eighties in New York. I was is just a buddy
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: of mine. I was like, hey, you wouldn't come through
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: this on a weekend, would you. He's like, yeah, I'm
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: free whatever, It's fine. And it's like when it's like
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: when you shoot something, you shoot something in New York
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: or you shoot something in La people you know it's
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: it's oddly it's not hot at all. Actually, come to
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: think of it, it's just it's easier to get top crew,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: top cast. Not that not that there's not amazing people
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: all over the country, and specifically in Kentucky we had
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: a great group, but like as far as like the
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: these people that are like living, eating, breathe in the
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: industry and doing it like on a sort of like
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: a more visible skit national and global scale. These people
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: live in New York in LA, and if you're shooting
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: in New York or LA, they're much more ready to
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: just be like, yeah, cool, can I just hop on
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: the subway and get there? Fine, yeah, I'll be there whatever,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: So we go. You can pay me whatever you can.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: It's fine if you know it's It gets a little
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: trickier when you're like, hey, can you come to three
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: weeks for Kentucky and I'll put you in a hotel
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: and whatever. They're like, oh, I don't know, my kids
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: are in school or I got this other thing going.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Eh.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Whereas if it's just down the street, you know, they're
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: much more they're much more game for it. So yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: so in that short we've got like Tommy Sadoski who's
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: now on Life and Pieces, and like you know, he's
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: just got his feet kicked up in CBS heaven.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: And you know Keith Powell who was on thirty Rock
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: My turnis who you know was on Orange is the
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: New Black? Like just amazing. But so yeah, so we
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: did the short and then, oh my god, I totally
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: forgot the question.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Listen to me, Ram, Well, I was just about how
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: you found time to actually write in between jobs?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Oh what do you see?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: How half topic I got on that? I I don't know, man,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I don't really have a great answer for It's just
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: you just kind of have to find it. You just
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: have to make the time, you know.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Well, and you know you touched on something too that
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I have a previous guest, James Altacher, he touched on
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: this as well. And creativity is he calls it a muscle.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: He calls it his idea muscle of coming up with
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: these ideas. And you know, he's like, that's what happens.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: It atrophies if you don't use it. And so when
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: you were saying that, I'm like, that's exactly the way
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: he puts it as well.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things and
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: I feel it sometimes. Well, it's also one of those
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: things where if you're gonna be in this industry, how
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: do I say this in like a positive way, because
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: it's it's it is a positive thing, but saying it
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: and when I've said it previously it kind of does
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: and sound terribly positive.
• 20:02
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• 20:08
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• 20:11
  Speaker 5: You sort of have to be crazy, You sort of
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: have to be a little bit obsessed and stubborn and
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: just in order to do this business in order to
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: live and eat and breathe it and just have it
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: be what you do. And it took me a few
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: years to get to the point to where finally like
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I was just like, this is what I do. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: am a filmmaker, I am a storyteller. I am a
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: movie TV you know, new media like whatever, Like I've
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: lost I have no other bankable skills. I'm literally this
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: is just what I do. And in order to sort
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: of be in it to that level, you kind of
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: have to have no other options, because there are certainly
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: days when I have, say, like specifically on like certain productions,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: if like some mare thing happens with like an actor
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: or producer's travel or like you know, is something bad
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: happens on set with a piece of equipment. Is any
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: number of things that I could tell you probably one
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: hundred stories, like if I you know, I'm living the dream.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: I do what I love for a living. But there's
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: just like anything else, Like there's you know, there's crappy
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: days where I'm like, man, I wish I could just
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: work at a call center and go home at five
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: point thirty every day and like go to happy hours
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: and just like have a nice, happy little life, still
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: live in Kentucky, just live down the street from my parents,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: go to like you know, like I kind of like
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: there's part of me certainly at times that are just like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: wouldn't life just be easier if I would be okay
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: doing not all of this? And the answer is yeah, maybe,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: but I just I internally don't I if I was
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: not doing this and when it's not doing this exhaustive
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: sometimes insane, you know, often being asked to pull off
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: the impossible. If I wasn't doing this production thing, if
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I wasn't doing the storytelling thing. And this is including
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: you know, my like day job, production work on like
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: other bigger productions, and my own work. You know, like
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: I barely left my apartment yesterday. I finally had to
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: leave to go outside and walk the dog at ten
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: thirty pm because I'd been stuck in here writing my
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: next writing this next script all day yesterday. I woke
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: up at eight o'clock in the morning and I was
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: just here like a shut in, just all day. And
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: it's you just kind of have to have a little bit.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: You just got to be a little bit off, but
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: in all the right ways, you know, And it's and
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: it's and I wouldn't trade it for the world. But
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: there's certainly times where I'm just like, oh, why can't
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I just go and work at I can't. My dad
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: worked at like a ge assembly line for thirty forty
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: years in Kentucky, like making washing machines. You know what.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: He's perfectly happy now he's retired. He watches Westerns all day,
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: goes on long walks. I just, you know, I just
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: you know, I can't even picture myself ever retire. People like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: what are you gonna do? You know, you know, when
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: you retire, And I'm like, who retires from making movies?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: We're all like blessed with this opportunity to do this.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: I'll probably do this until they like, drag me lifeless
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: off of the set somewhere, like, I don't know why
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: I wouldever retire for it. I just like it's I'm
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: doing it. But if you're not doing it because you
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: love it, then then you're legitimately a crazy person, because
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: go do something else. It is it is hard, you
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: know hard. I stay away from the word hard people.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: This always comes up when people are talking about, oh,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: how do you raise money for the movie, and you know, people, oh,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: raising money is the hardest part. Raising money's hard. I
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: don't like to call anything that we do and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: just slipped up on my own on my own advice there.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I hate calling anything that we do hard because you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: digging ditches is hard. You know, working in the coal
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: mines is hard. H construction work is hard. You know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: working in the heat and not having a job and
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: living in a third world country. You know that that
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: that stuff is all hard. What we do is we're
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: blessed to be able to, like, you know, to do
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: what we do for a little you know, I show
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: up to work and there's like a truck full of
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: catering that will make me whatever I want. I stay
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: away from the word hard. With anything that we do.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: But it's but the hours are tough and the sometimes
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: the conditions are not ideal. So if you can be
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: doing anything and it's broken to some college classes, you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and I've told that, what would you recommend if you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: you know whatever, Like there's always like the basic questions.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: I'm like, if you think you can do anything else,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: if there is a world in which you do not
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: have the internal drive where you absolutely have to be
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: doing this for like with all of who you are,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: you should one hundred percent just go do that because
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: it's going to be easier again, easier whatever, you know.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: I'm saying it's it's going to be it's going to
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: lead to sort of a emotionally and this sort of
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: is spiritually the right word. I don't know. It's if
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: you're not going to be happy putting in what has
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: to be put in to work in this industry, then
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: just don't do it. Don't put yourself through it, because
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: it can be. It can be, it can be pretty
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: it can be pretty brutal to a degree. Just you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: it's mostly just about the hours and the in the
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: expectations of like when people expect you to be available
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: for them to certain degrees. And again that's and sometimes
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: when I'm working in production, that's just people that are
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: creative types that I'm just like, now, I get it, listen.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Especially since I left doing regular productions, you know, regular
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: like sort of like uh, my normal production stuff, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: went and made the feature, I'm like, well, listen, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: get it. I'm then I was that guy, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: And I was never like calling people at three o'clock
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: in the morning and being like, you know, we need
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: to change everything, but you know, I got it. I
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: was like, listen, the creative end of it and the
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: production end of it feed into each other and definitely
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: overlap in a lot of ways, but they also are
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: You're sort of serving different masters to a degree, but
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: ultimately not You're also serving the story, you're serving the product,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: you're serving what goes on the screen. But anyway, again,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: I'm all over the place.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: But it's all good, Jamie. I tend to have that
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: effect on people.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: You're like a therapist. You're just giving me the opportunity
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: to ramble.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Honestly, if you go back and listen to episodes, like
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: one out of every two guests will say, Dave, I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: don't know why. But every time I come on your podcast,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I just start rambling or I go in those other
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: directions or you know, And I said, no, I have
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: that effect on people, you know, longer answers and stuff
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: like that. I think it's a great thing actually, So
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I mean it becomes a stream of consciousness, you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: and it's good.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Make sure a good interviewer is what I think.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: And you know, as we talk about screenwriting, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, you know, when you were working
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: on all these other different productions. You know, I'm sure
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: at one point or another you got to read the screenplay.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Did that have like a lot of effect on you
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: how of how to actually, you know, write screenplays? Because
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: because you know you're actually seeing movies, I mean, you're
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: you're beyond a reader at that point, because now you're
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: actually you know, hey, these movies are actually in production
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: right now, so there has to be something valid about
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: the screenplay. Did you ever get a chance to read
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: the screenplays? And if so, you know, what did you
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: take away from Oh?
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I it's funny. I've worked with some people
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: on productions that you know, I'll be like, oh, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: then did you read this in the script? And this?
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: I read them immediately, sometimes before I even start. I
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: it's one of the first things I asked when asked
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: for when I'm even considering doing a project, be like, well,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: let me see the script and if you know, if
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: it makes sense and speaks to me. I meanwhile, go
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: back and look at my resume. They haven't all been
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: me being like really choosy about the content, but but
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I try to be. I do try to I do
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: try to make sure that I it's something that I
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: enjoy working I would enjoy working on. So yeah, I
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: read the screenplays every time I have worked with people
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: that don't know, because there's certain disciplines within the making
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: of like a movie or TV show where you don't
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: necessarily have to read like every screen show up to set,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: people tell you what to do, it gets done, you
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: go home whatever, which is certain certain crew positions. But
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: with mine, as I've as I've progressed sort of up
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: to the proverbial ladder there. I yeah, I find it
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: crucial to read the screenplay, and I mean it's funny
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: to me. It has definitely affected my writing. One of
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: the one of the first scripts I read that really
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: affected me and specifically really affected split as I have
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: the opportunity to work on elizabeth Town, which was Cameron Crowe,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: which is one of my still is say what you
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: will about his recent missteps we might call him, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: I love the guy. I think he's a master. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: think he's great. This showtime show rodies that he did.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: It was not perfect, but I enjoyed it. But so
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: I got to work on Elizabethtown. I was so I
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: was so young at that point too. I was so
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: just over the moon that one of my favorites, probably
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: at the time my favorite direct writer director was coming
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: to my town to make a movie and it was
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: amazing and I got to work on it and he
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: was super cool and I have all these great stories
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: from it. But I got to read that script and
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: I it was just this revelation of just like, wow,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: this is good writing. And I can't explain what it
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: was about it. It was just the way it flowed,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: the way it felt like.
• 29:58
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• 30:04
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• 30:07
  Speaker 5: It felt like Cameron Crowe is a director that I
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: knew him to be just because I had seen his movies,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: was speaking directly to me, like was talking to me
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: about the movie he was going to make as I
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: was reading the script, and I could hear the characters
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: and they were right in front of me, and it
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: was just like this incredible experience where I was like, Oh,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: this is good writing. It's terrific. And then that was
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: also a very interesting learning experience, because say what you
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: will about that movie, it did not quite turn out
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: to be as good of as a movie as I
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: thought the screenplay was. I worked on a movie called
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: It was The Business Trip at a certain point, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I guess it ended up being this Vince Vaughn movie
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: un Finished Business. I think they changed the title too.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: That script. I read it on the train up to
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Boston as I was going to work on that movie,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: and I was laughing out loud like a crazy person,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: and it was one of the funniest things I'd ever read. Somehow,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the movie came out and it's like they had tried
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: to take all the funny out of it. I don't
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: know what happened in between and I was there. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: don't know if that's editorial, I don't know if that's
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know, and it was a great group of
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: people working on it. It was a great group of actors.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I don't it was very strange. But that movie, you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I think I think that's the opinion held roundly about
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: it is that it just was not exactly an A
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: plus effort from most of the people involved. Which is
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: very funny because the script, the jokes were very tight.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: It was very it was a very funny thing. Like
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, this could be the next hangover. This
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: is gonna be really funny, and then there it went.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I always you know, and I read them
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: a little differently now, Like, especially from a production standpoint,
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: I'll be like reading through it and I'll just start
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: clocking annoying product. Some things were like, oh, house on fire, okay.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Oh there's some kids, all right, dogs, birds, that's annoying okay,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: And oh glass breaking. You know, just like little things,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: you sort of read them differently. It's like when you
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: make you know this experience too, when you make them
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: or when you work in this for a living, you're
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: an annoying person. To watch a movie with my wife,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: my wife's brother. Actually, at one point we left, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: forget what the movie we were saying, so my brother
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: in law, we were walking out of something. We started
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: talking about the movie, me and Elizabeth, my wife. He
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: said to me, I always think I like a movie
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: until I hear you guys talk about so But yeah, no,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: I it affected my writing and has affected my writing
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: immensely over time, just because I think a huge and
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: again I haven't you know, and I want to write
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: and I want to be you know, all I'm saying
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: is like, I am not this like hugely accomplished screenwriter
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: at this point. I have written a lot, and I
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: do really enjoy writing, and I actually that's probably my
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: favorite of I don't know. I say that's my favorite
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: of the disciplines and it's the most rewarding to me.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: But then I'll get on a set or I'll see
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: something that I've done and I'm like, oh, maybe directing,
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: but I like directing stuff I wrote. So one feeds
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: to the other whatever, But it's it's I think that
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: in order to I think it's about fifty to fifty, honestly, Like,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: in order for you to be a good writer, you
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: have to constantly be writing, but you also have to
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: constantly be reading the kind of work you want to
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: be writing. You know, it's kind of like making it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like directing as well. Like if you
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: want to make movies or you want to make TV,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: you can't just create in a vacuum. You know, you
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: should be watching quality work as well and not necessarily
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: mimicking that, but learning from that. You know what, who
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: was who are we attributing this quote to? Now I
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: forget who exactly said it? What is it? Artists creating
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: geniuses steel? You know, yeah, there you go. So it's
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: you're not necessarily you're not necessarily reading or watching things
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: to be able to imitate them, but you're going to
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: pull these sort of universal ideas and truths out of
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: them and sort of recreate them in your own way,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: you know, Like I mean take you know, Split the
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Bullying movie. We did, Like it is a very by
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: the numbers romantic comedy, but it was very important to
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: me to you know, spin the genre a little bit,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: not the least you know, not the least of which
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: by making it the bullying movie. But you know, there
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: are a couple other little points where it was just
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: kind of like, I, I don't know, I won't bor
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: you with that, right in this particular instance, but it's like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: but yeah, the screenwriting. Being able to read the work,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: especially like you're saying at the point where it's like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: this is production ready, this is the scripture going to
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: go actually make Reading that work constantly over all of
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: these years has one hundred percent I think improved my screenwriting.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: And it also, you know, it also makes it that
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: much more like frustrating or interesting whatever, when you're working
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: on something and you're just kind of like, this isn't
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: that good, Like I don't understand why this got picked
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: to be made versus X, Y or Z Blacklist script
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: or like so and so other script that is like
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: just sitting on the shelf, you know, like why is
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: this happening versus all of these other things that I
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: know exist in the world. But yeah, no, I mean
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know all that. All that in a very
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: long way to say, yes, I read the script. Yes,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I feel like I get I'm very privileged to be
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: able to have access to that material from production of
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: production for sure.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know true when you're when you're you're
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: making something you know, and you're you're you want to
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: see what else is out there and you and now
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: because of the of the of the environment we live in.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: You know, you can go online, there's there's screenplay resources
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: all over the place. You know, you want to read
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the screenplay for whatever, you know, there's a good chance
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: it's out there. And so what happened? You know, I've
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: read screenplays that for unproduced you know movies. I've read
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: screenplays for produced movies, sorts that stuff. Oh did you
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: just hear that update?
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: What?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I'm okay? Cool?
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I I just I had a chime, just a couple
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: of my scream on my desktop. It was like, oh,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you have a Java update. Sorry about that.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I sort of.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: You shouldn't start it and post you should make it
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: some big annoying thing. No, I didn't hear anything at all.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: It'll be like that bird crow from from a Citizen
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Kane where all of a sudden, you know, like it
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: was just going off them.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: You know, they they put that in there to wake
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: up the audiences. That was like their shock because it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Was producers didn't know that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the producers was like, I feel this
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: is going on a little long, so we'll put that
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: That's so funny. I've often, uh, this is apropos of nothing.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I I I always have my phone on vibrate, but
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: I I just because you know whatever, being on sets
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: and everything, I just am afraid. But if I ever
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: were to actually have a ringtone, I really want to
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: find the Wilhelm scream and just have that be my
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: ring tone, just that, like you know, like the Star
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Wars when the Stormtrooper gets hit, that, like that movie
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: trope that the sound sound people always put in there.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: They're like, there's actually a good Willhelm scream YouTube cut
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: and somebody all of.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Them right, Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. I do you remember ring back tones?
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: I know there's now we're going in a weird direction,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: but do you remember ring back tones?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I always thought like, if you had a ring back tone,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: why don't you just had something like the Wilhelm scream
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: or something ridiculous just.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Went over and over again.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: First it's like, God, damn, answer your phone.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: That would be great. Yeah, I guess those went away.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I love it. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, you're you're
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: taking me. I just listened to the last episode too,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: and it was it was very funny. You and oh
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: my god, I forgot the guy's name. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Talking about old video stores is, yeah, we remember old
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: video stores. I'm like, there's an old video store in
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: my movie. Guys, the old video stores are still around,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Like that video store we shot in is still in Louisville, Kentucky.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: But you talking about all the screenplay sources online too,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: makes me think of when I first moved to New
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: York and there was still like the tables of like
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: people in Times Square would just like set up with
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: like a folding table and it would just be like
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: printed copies of like, hey, do you want to read
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Citizen Kane, I've got it with a purple cover here
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: for twist twenty dollars, you know, and you'd go in
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: like peruse the like pile of printed out scripts. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: that was two thousand and like the internet existed. It's
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: just you know, whatever, You're right, it's totally funny. Any
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: script that you want to read produced unproduced, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: and we go through on you know, like on john Wick,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: on john Wick two, we had like a code name,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: and like there was all the security, all these different
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: you know, water marking and the intense amount of technology
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: and security that has to go into just keeping these
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: things from keeping the wrong people from getting a hold
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: these things and just popping them up on the line,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: because it's so easy for just like one person to
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: be like, hey, here's a script for the new John
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Wick movie and just zip it up online really quick.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: So there's so much from a production standpoint, we have
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: to like so many hoops we have to jump through
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: just to keep you know, from random ye who's like
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: getting a hold of a copy and just throwing it
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: up onto one of those sites.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. That's what happened
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: in Tarantino with Hateful Eight. Was that something, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: somebody he gave the script out to somebody and then
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: somebody else was like, hey look at this Tarantino script
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: and they photocopy, didn't put it up online.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's a whole other operator.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: I have a bunch of friend you know, because we're
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: hearing New York and like all of these Marvel Netflix
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: shows come through here and the amount of security it's
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: it blows your mind how much security goes into just
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: every little Marvel production. It's like they are probably the
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: most intense about it for good reason obviously, but they
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: are yeah, there, it's you know, it's a whole new world.
• 39:56
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• 40:02
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• 40:05
  Speaker 5: And even like somebody's I feel like I had a
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: friend work on one of the Transformers movies and they
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: were down to just like, yeah, we watermark and we
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: also on like a certain page within the draft will
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: change one letter in a different spot on that same
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: page for every person that gets a script. I'm like, seriously,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: is that a real I still don't know if that's
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: a real thing. I don't even know how you would
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: do that from a logistical standpoint, But yeah, people are
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: crazy about the security. Man I might mean, but that
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: would you know? That would blow a movie? Honestly. There
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: are certain TV shows too, it's like everybody. I also
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: though part of me finds it to be a little
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: bit too much sometimes because it's kind of like, listen,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: how many how what percentage of your audience is for
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: like a TV show or a movie or whatever, what
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: percentage of that audience is going to be like, oh
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: my goodness, the script is online. I'm going to go
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: read that script I don't know how much of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: general public is actually reading screenplays.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what they're afraid of is the sort
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: of like you know, nerd sites, so to speak, like me,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: but like if I've had a screenplay, I wouldn't be like, hey,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: here's all things. I think a lot of these sites
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: that they're afraid of that read screenplays will talk about
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: them and then all of a sudden, you know, someone's
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: watching a YouTube video, like you know, you know John Smith,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: who's not going to read the screenplay, but he's watching
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: this YouTube video and they're just talking about it, and
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: now he's that's fair. That's why I think that they've
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: sort of become lockdown the A friend of mine and
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I were joking, I think it was actual actually Michael K.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Snyder and we were joking around that the next big
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: thing in film is going to be a department created
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: call just called film Security, where there's gonna be like
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: literally literally like somebody who's in charge, our team, in
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: charge of scripts everything else, and be like everybody else
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: does their own thing now and we'll hand We'll be
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: the ones in charge of handing out the scripts, getting
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: them back at the end of the day.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Protecting the Wi Fi all that good stuff.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Oh that's listen, there's there are things. There are productions
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: that have that. There are productions that have that. We
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: I work on a show called Billions and several other
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: shows around New York that I know of, like we
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: have there's all kinds of little sub departments that didn't
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: exist that exist now. Like we have an entire green department.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: You know, we have a green quote unquote, but like
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: an eco minded department that goes from set to set
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: and like make sure that all of our trash is
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: separated into like recyclables and composts and all of those things.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: And you know, they're tracking the carbon footprint of the
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: entire production, like how many people stayed in hotel rooms
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: that are how many square feet for how many nights?
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: And who traveled on what planes. It's intense. And then
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: you know, down to what I'm surprised hasn't started happening
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: is that you have to hire like a social media
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: person on every production. You know, someone who is specifically
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: in charge of you know, like hey keep our Instagram,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Twitter and you know, snapchat whatever up like during productions
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: so that anybody who cares to follow it can go
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: follow it. You know that there's there's so many just
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: the technology and the way that people are consuming things,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: the pace at which people are consuming and the volume
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: at which they're consuming is it's just changing everything. So yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: there's departments are just going to keep popping up up
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: until like we just have everything covering. There's just gonna
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: be thousands of people working on every little TV show,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: which is only going to be good for people in
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: my position because it just means more work. So all
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: good things.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And also I wanted to mention too when I
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: was talking to Mike about about the video stores that
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: were gone, I was just meaning like stuff like Blockbuster,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Hillywood Video, those guys. I mean there's small mom and
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: pop places. I actually there's one right up the street
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: from me. It's about thirty minutes away. But yeah, I
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: know there's still places here and there, and I'm glad
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: they're still open, honestly, because honestly, those are the places
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: that you know, I'm you know, like Quentin Tarantino, he
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: worked at a local video store and stuff like that,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: and I love just you know, you know, honestly, I'm
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: actually starting to go the other way Jamie with a
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: lot of things.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Like I used to be in love with Amazon, how
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: easy it was.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Now now I'm just like, I'd rather just go out
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: now to a little mom and pop place and buy,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: buy whatever the hell I'm looking for.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: I yeah, I'm you know, it's I go back and
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: forth because it's just so obviously it's easy. It's amazing
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: to do Amazon, to order things online, and you know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: and listen again, I'm in New York City. We like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I barely even leave the apartment sometimes because the food
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: will come to me at three in the morning if
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: I want it to and whatever cuisine I like. So
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: the ease is terrific. But I know exactly what you're saying,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: and I think I've reached a little bit of fatigue
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: with it as well. I recently started really buckling down
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: on ordering comics online because I have a great little
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: spot right down the street for me that's like a
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: little indie comic shop that sells a lot of zines
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: and sort of you know, interesting, more highly curated sort
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: of titles. But then, you know, I hop on the
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: train and I get into Union Square and I've got
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: my little local comic shop here that has just everything
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: under the Sun. And I spent a good few years
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: just ordering like you know, like, oh the new Saga's out,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: or oh the new Walking Dad, right, and I would
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: just order it on Amazon. And now you know, I've
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: really I've really kind of changed my tone. I'm just like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: why am I right there? I should just go down
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: the street support these local businesses. So yeah, no, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: totally get that, and I think and I think that's
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: a thing that we're all probably going to start experiencing,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and it's only going to be good for those little
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: mom and pop businesses. I just you know, brick and
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: mortar stores. You want to talk about a tangent, I
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: could go off about how I'm just convinced we're all
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: going to be living the movie Wally within the next
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: like ten years. But you know, we all just fight
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: the good fight best we can. But no, I'm totally
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: on your on track with that same as you.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, Mark Zuckerberg he announced his plan to
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: sort of do way with the smartphone, and it's all
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: about AR mixed with a little bit of VR, mixed
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: with a little bit of AI, and it's just like, I,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: honestly I don't think that maybe if you if we
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: baby stepped this out. But I think, like if you
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: were to try to radically just change things overnight, like
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: with a with an ar vr AI combo, Like I think,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: what he what he's trying to do where it's like,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: you know, because there's also a company that's trying to
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: get rid of computers as we know them, and it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: just going to become that an augmented reality system where
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: you're just kind of like moving parts around. I'm just like, yeah,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: that that might be good, but you know, I don't
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: know if how long that's going to take for everyone
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: to actually transition. I mean, my god, they just killed
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: fifty six k modems in this country a while ago, right,
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: I mean or an analogue and analogue cable signals.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Though, man, there's still listen, there's still people all over
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily a ton of people on the coast,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: but there's people all over, you know, the middle of
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: this country that still have dial up internet, you know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: like it's it's I don't know, man, I don't think
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: that's I even have I've got on set. I have
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: guys that work on sets still that I'll be like,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, I'll email you a call sheet. No, no,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: I don't email. You're gonna have to print me one
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Like who are you? How do you not have to email?
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: But these people still exist. So I think that you know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: the Zuckerbergs of the world, and you know Elon Musk,
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: and like everybody's technology, everyone is just sort of stuck
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: in this loop of like it always has to keep
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: going at this exponential rate that it's been going. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying it needs to slow down, but I think,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: like I have a lot of thoughts about VR that
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: I just am convinced VR. A lot of people are
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: really hitching their wagons to the VR thing, and I
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: don't necessarily I'm personally in this, and I don't know.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: It's hard to when you're speaking from your own personal position,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: like you know, it's hard to say, like, you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: maybe the kids will be really into VR. I don't think.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know. But I as a person sitting at
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: my age and what I do for a living, I
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: do not ever think I am going to watch movies
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: specifically made or a television show or anything like that
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: that is specifically made for VR. I just I just
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: don't know that that content is ever going to catch
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: on for me or people like me. I just don't
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: think about it. I don't think but I was. But
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: that being said, I do think that there are very
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: incredible and there's a lot of potential for VR in
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: a lot of ways. Because so I was out at Sundance,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: not this year, but the past year and I got
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: somehow another got looped in with like the ILM people
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: and they were doing a VR like demonstration. I was like,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: all right, well, let me see what this is all about.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: It's im I'll see. So I put on the helmet
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: and whatever, and all of a sudden I'm on tattooed
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: and there's bba and ah, this is great. It's the
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: coolest thing ever. So and they were like, well, we
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: do other movies too. And then all of a sudden
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: I was walking around with a velociraptor and I was like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: all right, this is actually too nope, too real. Stop.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: I'm actually scared. Quit it. There's a velociraptor in my face.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: So but they you know, and I was just like, okay, cool,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: that was a fun trick. Thanks. And they were like, well,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: you work in movies, right, yeah, I mean that's sort
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: of my thing. They were like, all right, well, let's
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: talk about some practical implications. So then they start showing
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: they flip it over to it was some production. I
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: don't know if it was for an actual production or
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: something that they had just sort of mocked up, but basically,
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: if you're going to go if you're working on a
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: movie and you're gonna build, say like in a however
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: many hundred thousand foot warehouse, a huge spaceship, or you're
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: going to build a mansion set or something like that,
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: VR they started showing me these like schematics for these sets,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: but they actually had built the sets out entirely in VR,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: so that you could put a camera in a certain
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: camera position, see exactly what your shot was going to
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: be on your fake set that hadn't been built yet,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: so that you could have every idea about every potential
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: shot in your movie on this set that was completely
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: not even existent yet, just through VR, so that you
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: wouldn't spend any money at all, being like, oh no,
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: actually that doesn't quite work. We're going to rebuilder.
• 50:02
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• 50:08
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• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Oh the measurements aren't quite you do all of your
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: pre planning and VR and then you you know, it's
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: the whole like measure twice, cut once thing you've measured
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: a million times digitally, and then just go out and
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: build the thing, and everything's going to go exactly as planned,
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: you know. And I'm sure that's not exactly how it works,
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: but like that kind of thing is a practical application
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: that I think, and you think about that, like you
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: can do that before you build a hospital. You can
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: do that before you Like that's the real world stuff
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: that I think VR is going to be huge for.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think VR is going to be a huge
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: storytelling medium in the way that people are sort of
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: hitching their wagon too, if that makes sense.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I concur I just I think that VR is
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: going to be out like what three D was, where
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: you know, the glasses and then they had to watch
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: you had to get the three D TV and three
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: D you know, Blu ray and And honestly, I've all
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: the friends that I have who are huge into movies,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: the movie going experience at the movies every weekend, only
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: one of them actually went out and actually bought something
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: like that and he and he has a ton of
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: disposable income where he can actually buy stuff like that,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: because like, honestly, even if I had like a ton
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: of extra money, I don't even think i'd buy that.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: And you know, I I just that same way I
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: feel about VR. I just would rather, you know, have
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: a better story. And plus I don't feel like having
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: my eyeballs burned out every which way I keep turning,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: because like smartphone screens are bad enough, and it's just
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: like I don't need to be staring at another screen
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: for twelve hours, fourteen hours a day. And but yeah,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: so I mean, I know I definitely concur about that,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: and I mean honestly that So that's why I think that,
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a lot of the trial and error
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: too with technology. I know you mentioned technology they always
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: have to feel like has always has to be pushed forward.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: But even if we just you know, but I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: it's more of it there are trying to push it forward.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: I agree with you on Matt, and I think I
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: think they realize too, like the Elon Musk's and the
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: EUK workers, it's going to be a lot of trial
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: and error because I mean, Elon Musk is the CEO
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: of three different companies and I guarantee you. I honestly,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: sometimes I think that he even knows he's overreaching, and
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: I think he just keeps doing it for for you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: just because he either because he can or maybe he
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: just thinks, you know, if he throws up enough hail
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Mary's one of them has to pass right right right?
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely? Yeah? And hey, you know what, these are
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: the people. These are the people in large part giving
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: us a lot of this great stuff that you know, Listen,
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: I am look at what we're doing right now. I
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: am sitting in New York City, you're sitting in Philadelphia.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: I am speaking into the air in my apartment, and
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: we are going to digitally project this to the world
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: at some point.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: It's where it's the whole Luis C.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Cab.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: Actually, this is the email signature in my uh when
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: I send an email, this has sent from space because
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: of this whole Luis c. K bit where he's talking
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: about some guy yelling into his phone on the yelling
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: about the Internet working on his on an airplane or something.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: It's just like, give it a second. It is going
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: to space. Just give it half a second. So, like
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: I I'm a I'm always the first person to just
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: be like, guys, we are living in the future. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: talk to my I talked to one of the three
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: robots I have in my house, and I ask that
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: robot to turn the lights off when I go to
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: sleep at night. You know, I talk to my Amazon
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: Echo thing and I say Echo, bedroom light off and
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: it goes off. And I genuinely that has not stopped
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: being cool.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta room with
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: the vacuums my floor I got, you know, it's you know,
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: like whatever, like we were living in the Jetsons. Guys,
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: it officially happened, you know, and it's it's funny, you know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: growing up around the same time, I think as I
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: think we did you ever really off flying cars? Whatever?
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: Guy's flying? Who needs flying cars? It just sounds dangerous
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: and terrible to me. We're talking to robots in our
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: house telling them to do things, and we have all
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: of the world's information at our fingertips. No longer will
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: you beat a bar being like, oh, and what was
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: that movie with the one guy and the thing? Yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: that you have that answer. Anyone can pull the computer
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: out of their pocket and have that answer in ten seconds.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: You know, it's the future is now, and I for
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: one just love it. And these are, you know, in
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: large part, these are the guys who are making this happen.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: This is so funny, my echo, because like Star Trek,
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: we've called her a computer. So every time, yep, she
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: just came on again. Sorry anyway, but man, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: I try not to be like, all right, let's all
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: slow down. It's all moving too quickly because I love it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: I love all the cool technology that we're able to
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: play with, especially within the especially within the storytelling space. Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: you know, it's it's all happening really fast. So it's like,
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: maybe instead of moving on to the next thing, let's
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: try to perfect some of the things that we have. Yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, but that's that's that's I
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: feel like, I feel like we've covered about twenty different
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: conversations for another time, but we'll just just diving into
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: them all here. And I love that.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I do want to talk about Split. I mean,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: you know, just sort of going back to Split. I
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: do want to say, you know, you shot your short
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: film in twenty ten, and then in twenty fifteen you
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: actually made it into a feature film. And you know again,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I know we were talking about so many different topics.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: I'm like, we actually should talk about split.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm telling you. That's what a great interview.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: You see somebody on like like a Stephen Colbert or
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: like an Old Letterman episode, and those just did the
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: very end. They're like, oh, right in your album, let's
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: talk album come out. But yeah, I mean we did, Yeah,
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: we did the short ten. We actually shot the movie
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: in twenty twelve, came out in August I think it
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: was August second, twenty sixteen. It was about four years
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: of post which is what happens when you you know, yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it's been said on this podcast probably a
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: hundred times. Good, fast and cheap. You know, I wasn't
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: going to sacrifice good, so I wasn't going to sacrifice good,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: and I couldn't sacrifice cheap, so fast went out the window.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: So I've got a lot of people working on favors.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: And you know, if you have somebody who's doing a
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: lot of really great post production work for you and
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: then they're just like, hey, I have to go to
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: Montreal to work on a movie that's going to pay
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: me a lot of money and you're paying me none money.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Then I'm like, all right, cool, well we'll just I'll
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: do maybe some sound work over here with this other part.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: You know, you just kind of have to. So it
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: took us a little while to get it out into
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: the world, but so yeah, we were like in post
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: production movie ready to go, you know, for the most part,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: and just sort of like having to get some other
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: little pieces out. And I saw I think it was
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: somebody just sent me a text or something with the
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: trailer of like coming soon from Midnight Shop. No, you
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: know what it was. It was a Newstroms like the
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: announcement of the fact that he was gonna make a
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: movie called Split. And I was like, oh boy, what's
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: this going to be? You know, and people should we
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: change the title, and I'm like, no, it's our title.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: We were here first. What are you talking about? But yeah,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: so yeah, so we came out in twenty sixteen, and
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: it's uh, yeah, it's been a fun little ride, man,
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: it's you know, still continuing.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: We are on.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: If you're an Amazon Prime subscriber, we are one of
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: the uh one of the movies you can watch for
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: free as part of your Amazon Prime subscription. We are
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: also available to rent or purchase on iTunes. We're on.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: This is actually something that's been amazing through the distribution
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: process that I just so much of it's new to me.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: But this particular part they're like, okay, we're gonna put
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: you so you're on iTunes. I'm like, okay, got it,
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Xbox oh you can. Okay, that didn't know you could
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: do that? Great PlayStation that one too great. Also, Voodoo's okay,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: what's that it's Walmart streaming service. Oh well, okay, cool,
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: there's that I just learned about. We're on probably I
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: think I want to say, like fifty different platforms. I
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: knew maybe three of them existed. So that's that's been
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: a fun little ride. But yeah, man, it's it's it's
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: just good. You know, we just made a cute little movie.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: Everything that I said from the beginning, I was like, listen,
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: there's not enough bowling movies out there. I like rom coms.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: Let's make a bowling rom com so that we're not
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: doing the exact same movie people have seen a hundred times,
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: and we're having a little fun with it, and I
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: you know, I want people to go on like a
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: date night or I want people's like folks to go
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: or somebody to be able to take their kids, you know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: probably around the age of twelve or thirteen year older
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: kids and just you know, walk out of the movie
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: and just say that was cute. All I was going for.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: We're not changing the world here. I'm not trying to
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: make some sort of like huge, amazing message. I just
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: want people to leave say that was cute, and then
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: be like, you know what, we haven't done it in
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: a while. Let's go bowling. So then then people are
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: going bowling. And that's really just what we set out
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: to do, and that's what I think we accomplish. It's
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: been a lot of fun and it's only been only
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: been made a little bit more interesting by the fact
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: that one of the most polarizing directors of a generation
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: decided to make a multiple personality serial killer movie on
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: the same name.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: It's about where we are.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's again, as we were talking about in the
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: pre interview, I actually, you know, it's just funny because
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: about my friend who actually found Split and was like, oh,
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: there's another movie out called Split.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Have you hear about this? And I said, I said, yeah.
• 59:51
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• 59:57
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I said, actually talking to them. He looked at me
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: so odd. When I said, yeah, I'm actually talking to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: the director tomorrow, he goes.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: What, Yeah, are you screwing with me? Yeah?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: What because like because one of my friends was finally like,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: he goes, Dave, I'm just going to ask you if
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: you've ever heard of these guys. He's like, you seem
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: to know everybody, and I said, well, thank you.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I try.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: But turns out it turns out that's so funny. I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: had a coworker who I guess it was, back in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: like February or March, had had went to go see
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: The Shyamalan Split, and as they were walking out, somebody
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: was like, you know, I tried to find a stream
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: of this online, but I've got some stupid bowling movie.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: Have you had? It's also that's that's been that's been interesting.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: You know, like it is is what it is, But
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: you know, people who were going out to watch a
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: horror movie that I guess on some sort of like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: sites again things I'm not familiar with, but I think
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: the torrents or streets something somewhere out in the world
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: in a very popular or place. It seems that our
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: movie has been basically it's all of the artwork, all
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: of the synopsis, everything, completely out there in the world.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: For pretty early on it said split as if it
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: were the Shyamalan Split. But then you clicked on it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: and you've got our movie. So we've gotten a ton
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: of people that were not happy about that happening. So
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: that's that's been you know, it's been something. But you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: in fairness, there have been there have been you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: here and there, there have been plenty, there's been plenty
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: of enough people, you know that have just been like, hey,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: I found this totally wasn't the horror movie, but it's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: pretty good. Great, thanks guys. You know. But somewhere, somewhere,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: somewhere along the line on some sort of like back channel,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Torrenty put movies up for free place, those wires got crossed.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: Actually iTunes at one point big you know, awesome apples.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: I'm all on the Apple train. I love them all,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: I have all their they hate. At one point had
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: what was it, it was our movie. It was our movie.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: You it was where you went to like fine hours,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: but then down at the bottom all of the trailers
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: were for the Shyamalan movie, so it was like even
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: iTunes had some of their wires crossed, which is and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: again and then apparently there's a third Split movie that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: came out in twenty sixteen that I you know that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: is just out apparently a completely out there sort of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: the mind screw of a movie that I also haven't
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: you know that I that I haven't seen, but I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: know exists. So hey, you know what, it's a very
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: popular little five letter word. What can I say?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: We should sit down together, you, myself, M Night Shyamalan,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: and the other and another guy from that Third Split,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: and we should the four of us can compare all
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: of them back and forth.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Oh what I wouldn't give. What I wouldn't give to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: just hear from anyone in the like Shamalan camp, to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: just say, hey, guys, yes, we know there's a bullying movie.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: Isn't that funny? Like just something like how many people?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: How many people have taught? How many people? And I'll
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: just go to my deathbed, I'm sure wondering this. How
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: many people have gone up to M Night Shyamalan have
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: been like, hey, do you know, there's a bullying movie
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: called If It's Happened Once, It's enough to make My lifetime.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: That's that's really truly the case.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, you know what, you know what I
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  Speaker 4: should tweet m night after this, after this interview, I
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  Speaker 4: should tweetI about it and see. I mean, let's let's
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  Speaker 4: be honest. There's a ninety percent chance he's not gonna
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  Speaker 4: respond to me because he's going to be like, wait
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  Speaker 4: a minute, isn't this that weird guy? And that's how
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  Speaker 4: that's how most people usually say remind I remind people,
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  Speaker 4: isn't this that weird guy from that thing?
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  Speaker 5: But I'd say there's also a ninety nine point nine
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  Speaker 5: percent chance he doesn't run his own Twitter, So there's
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  Speaker 5: also that well.
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  Speaker 3: He actually does. Oh yeah, it's all him.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, Well that's cool. That's after that. That's like
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  Speaker 5: mad respect for him, because like I'm there's so many
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  Speaker 5: people that like spend so much time making it seem
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  Speaker 5: like it's them, but it's not actually that, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Oh yeah, so that's actually really cool.
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  Speaker 5: If that's legit him, that's great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's apparently the because uh, I mean, obviously you know,
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  Speaker 4: just from other people they've said, yeah, that's actually him
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  Speaker 4: doing it all. And then like Kevin Smith, he does
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  Speaker 4: all his own apparently. And because I had a friend
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  Speaker 4: of mine whose job when he went out to LA,
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  Speaker 4: his first job was actually running celebrity Twitter accounts and
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  Speaker 4: then like he would actually just to make sure it
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  Speaker 4: looks like them. So then he ended up doing stuff
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  Speaker 4: for like a couple of adult film stars, like doing
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  Speaker 4: their social media. And he said he got so burned
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  Speaker 4: out because you can imagine, like it was just a
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  Speaker 4: constant bunch of like weird, creepy guys going like, oh
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  Speaker 4: I can't yeah, we have sex with me.
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  Speaker 5: It's I'm like, I can't even imagine. I can't listen.
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  Speaker 5: I can't even imagine how tough it is to just
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  Speaker 5: be a woman on the internet in general. But just
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  Speaker 5: oh my goodness, Oh yeah, I can imagine that would
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  Speaker 5: that would that would cause a person to burn out
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  Speaker 5: pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he has a lot of other weird stories
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  Speaker 4: which I which I won't go into right now.
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  Speaker 3: But but but but.
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  Speaker 4: Jamie, you know, I mean we've been talking for about
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: an hour and five minutes now, you know, I know,
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  Speaker 4: we you know, just to talking about Split.
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  Speaker 3: You know, is there anything you know, maybe we didn't get.
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  Speaker 4: A chance to talk about it you wanted to sort
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  Speaker 4: of talk about or anything you wanted to say to
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  Speaker 4: sort of put a peri at the end of this
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  Speaker 4: whole conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, not necessarily, I would, you know. I think
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  Speaker 5: I got in all of my all my little plugs
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  Speaker 5: for the movie. I mean that's that's really, that's really
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  Speaker 5: the the important thing as far as like kind of
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  Speaker 5: you know, and I think just as a person that
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  Speaker 5: comes and does any sort of podcasts like your own,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm actually I'm having a great time talking. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, anybody who's listening, if you're interested in seeing,
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  Speaker 5: if you like romantic comedies, if you like bowling one
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  Speaker 5: or the other, especially both, please go see Split Not
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  Speaker 5: Them Night Shyamalan movie, the world's first romantic bowling comedy.
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  Speaker 5: We are the easiest place to find all the play
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  Speaker 5: all the ways we're available is just to go to
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  Speaker 5: Derby Cityproductions dot com like Louisville, Kentucky, the like the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: Kentucky Derby so Derby City Productions Plural dot com And that's, uh,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: you know, our trailers there and there's an Amazon button.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: If you want to watch it on Amazon, there's a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: you know, Google play button. How pick your poison. It's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: all right there. You can also follow us on Facebook
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: and Twitter. We're on both of those. It's just Facebook
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  Speaker 5: dot com slash Split the movie and Twitter dot com
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  Speaker 5: slash Split the movie. Make sure you put the the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: in there, because if you just do split movie, you
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  Speaker 5: go right to Shamalan, which is which has probably led
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  Speaker 5: to the most hilarious Twitter conversations where people have sort
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: of tagged Split the movies, tagged us thinking they were
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: tagging the Shyamalan movie, which I just can't help but
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  Speaker 5: have somebody from our side respond to every time it happens.
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  Speaker 5: And it's also nah, I mean, there have been some
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: pretty hilarious there's specifically, when it first when the other
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: Split came out, there was a guy who did a
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: whole Facebook status update that somebody had sent me about
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: how he, you know, he enjoys a little herbal refreshment
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: from time to time. This guy and he got a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, got a little bit greened out, a little
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: bit blazed out, sat down and thought he was watching
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  Speaker 5: a horror movie, and he just does this whole account
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: of how he got point for point through our movie,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: thinking like, when is this guy gonna turn and start
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  Speaker 5: kidnapping girls? When is this when's he gonna murder somebody?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: He gets through pretty much the whole movie, and then
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: eventually it's like, wait a second, James McAvoy's not in
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  Speaker 5: the Like, what's amazing to me about that? Is my
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: name as the director is? I don't think you make
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: it two three minutes into the movie before you see that,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, like it says directed by not m
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  Speaker 5: Night Shyamalan in very clear print in the movie. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: it just keeps happening.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he thought that was another alter ego of this
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: maybe and he goes, oh, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's not M Night's Shyamalan directed this. It's his alter
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  Speaker 3: ego Jamie Buckner.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's my Yeah, that was my that was
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  Speaker 5: my go to. Uh when this first started happening too,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, what a twist, right, guys? It was
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  Speaker 5: a bowling movie the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: Night.
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  Speaker 5: It's always got some sort of twist in store for you. No, man,
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  Speaker 5: I think I think you know, we we've covered, we've covered,
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  Speaker 5: We've covered quite a bit. I don't think that there's Uh,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think. I mean, here's the thing, like with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: your podcast, Uh, the episodes I've listened to, it seems
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  Speaker 5: like a lot of your audience is going to be
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: people wanting to get out there and sort of do
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: it on their own, or are doing it on their own,
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  Speaker 5: or just you know, I all I if I have
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  Speaker 5: maybe two cents worth of advice to offer, it's just,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: you know, there's all the reason in the world to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: get swayed away from doing it. But if you have
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: what I was talking about earlier, and you have that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: inability to do anything else and you just have to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: be telling stories and you have to be doing this,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: then don't let anyone stop you from doing it. It
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: took us years and years to get this movie made,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: and so much got in the way, and so much
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: you know, tried to whatever. Like there's always hurdles. Just
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: get out there, start making something, and by all means,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: finish it because there are so many The most amazing
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: stories to me are when people are like, oh, yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: I got on this movie and then we shot it,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: and then this happened, and then I got into posts
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: and then it just kind of never went anywhere. And
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I do not know how anyone could ever
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: get into that position, like just put it out on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: YouTube or something like you just get out there, have
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: your already told. There's too many ways for you to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: just get your story out into the world these days,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: and it's just it's too everything is too readily available
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: for you to have any excuse to not just be
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: out there telling your story. So get out there and
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  Speaker 5: do it. If if this is the right space to
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: just like throw that advice at anybody, but it seems
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: like your listenership would probably appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I completely uh, I think this is the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: best best spot to put that in that. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: thank you for saying that. And I know exactly where
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  Speaker 4: you're coming from about people, you know, we get sort
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: of stuck. I mean I've been there, honestly, Jamie. But
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: that's a whole nother story for another time. But everybody, everything,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Jamie and I talked about everything, all the trailers and
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: all that will be in the show notes.
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  Speaker 3: Jamie Bucker, thank you so much for coming.
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  Speaker 5: On, Buddy, absolutely, man, thank you very much. Great talking
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  Speaker 5: with you.
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  Speaker 4: Great talking to Jamie, and listen, whatever you could do next,
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  Speaker 4: you know let me know, and you know I want
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: to bring you back on. We'll talk about whatever you
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  Speaker 4: have coming out next and because I'd love to have
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: you back.
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  Speaker 5: Oh great, Yeah, to come back on for sure. Man.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 1:11:05
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