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- Lucas: So Luna, we keep talking about cooling CPI and core PCE, but there's a number out this week that has the Fed's attention for the opposite reason. A manufacturing survey from early August shows price pressures that respondents describe as worse than the pandemic era. Luna: Worse than pandemic era? That's a strong phrase. What exactly is that survey measuring? Lucas: It's the monthly purchasing managers' index for manufacturing — the PMI. And within it there's a prices-paid subindex. That's the one that's spiking. The headline PMI might be soft, but the price component is what Warsh and the FOMC are zeroing in on. Luna: So the Fed is looking at what businesses say they're paying, not just what consumers see. That's a different lens. Lucas: Exactly. And the two can diverge for a while. Consumer inflation has been easing — June CPI was actually down from May, and core PCE inched up only slightly. But if manufacturers are absorbing higher input costs now, that often shows up in consumer prices later. Luna: How reliable is this survey as a leading indicator? I've seen some analysts dismiss it as just anecdotal noise. Lucas: Fair pushback. The PMI is a diffusion index, so it's about breadth, not magnitude. But historically, sharp moves in the prices-paid index have preceded shifts in core inflation by a few quarters. The Fed's own staff models track it. Luna: And right now, what's the actual level? I know the report is behind a paywall, but you mentioned the language. Lucas: The language is telling — respondents using phrases like 'worse than pandemic era' to describe input cost increases. That's not typical mid-cycle noise. And it comes on the heels of a China factory contraction, which adds a supply-side twist. Luna: China's PMI unexpectedly contracted in July. So there's a global slowdown, but at the same time, price pressures are building? That's a weird mix. Lucas: It is, and it's exactly the kind of contradictory signal that makes the Fed's job hard. On one hand, you have slowing global demand — the U.S. grew at just one point five percent in the second quarter. On the other, you have rising input costs, possibly from tariffs, energy, or supply chain bottlenecks. Luna: So how does Warsh square that circle? Is the Fed leaning hawkish or dovish on this? Lucas: Based on recent speeches, Warsh is framing it as a risk-management problem. He's not ready to declare victory on inflation, but he also doesn't want to over-tighten into a slowdown. The effective fed funds rate is at three point six three percent, and the market expects a hold at the next meeting. Luna: But if the manufacturing price index stays hot, does that change the calculus? Lucas: That's the million-dollar question. The Fed's internal debate is split — some officials point to the cooling CPI and core PCE as evidence that policy is restrictive enough. Others, like Warsh, are wary that a supply-side shock could reaccelerate inflation even with weak demand. Luna: And the market seems to be pricing in that tension. The ten-year yield jumped to four point six nine percent this week, and the two-year is also up. Lucas: Right. The yield curve is steepening, which often happens when the market expects the Fed to be slower to cut. The ten-year breakeven inflation rate ticked up to two point two eight percent, still below the Fed's target, but moving in the wrong direction from their perspective. Luna: So we have a divided Fed, a hot manufacturing price gauge, and a slowing economy. What's the one thing you'd tell a listener to watch? Lucas: Watch the next couple of PMI releases, especially the prices-paid index. If it stays elevated for another month or two, that's a signal that the Fed might have to hold rates higher for longer, despite the soft GDP print. If it pulls back, it's likely a blip. Luna: But how much weight do they really put on a survey versus hard data like core PCE? Lucas: It's complementary. The Fed has a lot of models, but they also read the tea leaves from business contacts. Warsh has been quoting the Beige Book more than his predecessors. He's a data-driven guy, but he's also a former Wall Street guy who respects market signals. Luna: And the market is sending a mixed signal too — equity indices are up sharply this week, with the NASDAQ up over four percent, while yields are climbing. Lucas: That's the classic 'good news is bad news' environment. Stocks rally on optimism about earnings and AI, but the bond market is saying inflation isn't dead. The Fed has to navigate that tension without spooking either side. Luna: So what's your take — is this manufacturing price spike a real warning shot, or just noise from a few sectors? Lucas: I lean toward it being a genuine early signal, partly because it's corroborated by the jump in the ten-year breakeven and the fact that China's contraction is adding supply constraints. But it's only one month. If the next PMI shows a similar reading, then it's a story. Luna: And if it does persist, what would the Fed actually do? They've been on hold for a while. Lucas: They'd probably keep rates where they are well into 2027, maybe even hint at a hike if inflation expectations start to de-anchor. But given the growth slowdown, a hike is a high bar. More likely, they'd just talk tougher and let the data do the work. Luna: So it's more about communication than action. Lucas: Exactly. Forward guidance is their main tool now. And that's why these little data points matter — they shape the narrative before the meeting. Luna: I have to say, this is the kind of episode where I feel like I'm getting a real look under the hood of Fed decision-making. Lucas: And that's exactly the kind of clarity we want to keep bringing you. If today's breakdown helped you make sense of the Fed's next move, the reason we can keep doing this ad-free is listener support. You can buy us a coffee at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It genuinely keeps the lights on. Luna: Yeah, and it's a small way to say thanks if you've been learning from us. We don't take it for granted. Lucas: Anyway, back to the data. So the next FOMC meeting is in September, and I think the key number to watch isn't the CPI print — it's the next two PMI reports. If the prices-paid index stays hot, you'll see more hawkish language from Warsh and maybe a shift in the dot plot. Luna: And if it cools off, we can probably breathe easier. Lucas: Exactly. For now, the Fed is in wait and see mode, but the manufacturing sector is sending a warning flare. Keep your eye on it.