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JFK ASSASSINATION Ep. 331 - Lee Harvey Oswald Bussed A Move · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to.
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  Speaker 1: Sellom Joe kill and here we go.
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  Speaker 4: That is correct, folks, what's up at your boy? The
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  Speaker 4: Triple B and Joe B here for episode number three
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  Speaker 4: hundred and thirty one. Don't just stand there, Joe Bust.
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  Speaker 1: To move, bus to move.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's my quirky title for the episode, bust to Move.
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  Speaker 4: What's spelled differently?
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  Speaker 1: I like it, I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm extremely clever. Yeah sometimes yeah. I was really
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  Speaker 4: trying to be more clever than that, but nothing came
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  Speaker 4: to me. I mean, I was thinking, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: could do something about busting a nut, busting a moon.
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  Speaker 4: It's just you know, the last time I did something
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  Speaker 4: like that, we got the the mo need.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for talking about Oswald's discharge of epic proportions.
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  Speaker 1: But and as we did last week for showing the
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  Speaker 1: HLO video.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, thank you Russian assholes for somehow copyrighting that video
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  Speaker 4: from sixty years ago. You rock Now.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking over and commenting.
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  Speaker 4: On Yes, it was a visual c R.
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  Speaker 1: So well, whatever that is my fault, I will take responsibility, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what does that have to be a little more careful?
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, what's up, folks? Welcome in. It's Friday night show,
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  Speaker 4: so we're going to be talking about Lee Harvey Oswald's
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  Speaker 4: bus adventures tonight. He has quite a lot of them,
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  Speaker 4: actually different periods in his life. But before we do,
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  Speaker 4: let's welcome in some folks, and I've got something to
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  Speaker 4: say to one of them. Okay, let's see Scott is
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  Speaker 4: in the house. What's up, Scott, Paul Paul Cummings you, sir,
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  Speaker 4: I got a note from James Day or previous guest.
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  Speaker 4: He said. He remembered that you may have wanted his
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  Speaker 4: email address or vice versa. If that's the case, shoot
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  Speaker 4: me an email Paul at the Lone Gumming Podcast at
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  Speaker 4: gmail dot com. He said, it'd be more than happy
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  Speaker 4: to talk to you, okay, and I'll forward your your
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  Speaker 4: email onto him or his email onto you or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: you know whatever. Uh. The opto Economist is in the house.
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  Speaker 4: Yes they did. They all had cow catchers on the front.
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  Speaker 4: We call those dinner catchers. Trey is in the house,
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  Speaker 4: looking forward to some Australian babe talk. Easy, down boy
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  Speaker 4: Downy Bungled is in the house. What is up, Bungled? Hello? Hello,
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  Speaker 4: South to West. Yes, let's let's ev and go. We're
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  Speaker 4: going big. Mike is in the house. Mike, where do
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  Speaker 4: you give it? Hit that like button? That's right, thanks Mike,
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  Speaker 4: smash the like button. Folks. Everyone on the bus yep,
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  Speaker 4: everybody is on the the Lone Gumans short bus. Which
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  Speaker 4: is something else I was going to do part of
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  Speaker 4: the graphic. I was going to get a short bus
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  Speaker 4: and put our logos all over it.
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  Speaker 1: Are you could have put our faces like in different seats. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a commission exhibit of the inside of the bus
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  Speaker 1: that Oswald allegedly boarded it and got off, and we
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  Speaker 1: could have made a good graphic out of that. Next time.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a bus hitting you on your scooter, launching you
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  Speaker 4: in hey, never know never. What's up? See no Evil
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  Speaker 4: Move seven?
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  Speaker 1: David as Yeah, and Paula Jane, one of our buddy Lee.
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  Speaker 4: What's up? Lee Hell comes to play? The Bloody Bend
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  Speaker 4: if you have not yet. David s What's Up? It's
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  Speaker 4: in the house, Paula Jane, Paula Paula.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, and Zendar sixty one. Good evening, and.
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  Speaker 4: Then it was in there, in there. I'm sure more
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  Speaker 4: will straggle in of course, others lurking. That's okay too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, okay, sure, yeah, oh hey Dean, how
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  Speaker 1: are you Rob? Just to update everyone on Wednesday on
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  Speaker 1: our usual members only show and uh usually a preview
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  Speaker 1: of Friday's episode. We were not sure what we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do, but we noticed there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: discussion a couple of episodes ago on Lee Harvey Oswald
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  Speaker 1: and his Dallas bus adventures and some of the.
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  Speaker 4: Claims by Judy Baker on the Secret Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, conflicting evidence that goes with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: his bus things. And you can go from Dallas to
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  Speaker 1: Mexico City there and back. And I know you're going
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  Speaker 1: to cover New Orleans first, so we thought that that
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  Speaker 1: would be a good topic. So we decided that Thursday yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so all right, let's kick it off
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  Speaker 4: in New Orleans, Joe. So Judith Verry Baker made this
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  Speaker 4: claim right where hern Lee Harvey Oswald would ride the
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  Speaker 4: bus catch the bus together. Now, one thing I did
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  Speaker 4: not have when I was looking at this is where,
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  Speaker 4: and somebody might know in the chat. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: If you do put it in there and we can
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  Speaker 4: look it up real quick, but where was Judy Baker
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  Speaker 4: living in New Orleans when she was working at Riley
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  Speaker 4: Coffee Company? Because Joe, I have a little map, and
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking to myself, okay, well this place Riley
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  Speaker 4: Coffee Company, right is kind of on Magazine Street. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you see it with the Magazine Street address, the other
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  Speaker 4: other times it's padroyous and it may be on the corner.
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  Speaker 4: It might be one of those like Lafayette and Camp situations.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know where it has two different addresses. But
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking to myself, okay, well, if they're both
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  Speaker 4: on Magazine Street, well why would Lee Harvey Oswall need
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  Speaker 4: to ride a bus to work? You know, you figured
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  Speaker 4: it he'd be pretty close, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So I pulled up a map, Joe, and then it's
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  Speaker 4: actually a little further than I thought. Magazine Street must
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  Speaker 4: be long as hell, Okay, because I looking on the
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  Speaker 4: Google map. Of course, this is present day. Right by bus,
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  Speaker 4: it would take you twenty seven minutes from Lee Harveyadzo's
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  Speaker 4: house or the little apartment he was renting at forty
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  Speaker 4: nine oh five Magazine Street to Riley Foods Company, and
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  Speaker 4: it would take an hour and twenty minutes to walk
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  Speaker 4: there each way. Yeah, that's a hike. That is a
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  Speaker 4: freaking hike.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe it wasn't as long as sixty three,
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  Speaker 1: but close.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it might have been longer because there might
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  Speaker 4: have been fewer roads back in sixty three. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean either way, I mean walking, I
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  Speaker 4: mean an hour and twenty minutes each way. That's pretty
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  Speaker 4: much a no for me, dog, and half an hour
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  Speaker 4: by bus is pretty It pretty sucks too, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I was just thinking to myself, Okay, where was
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  Speaker 4: Judy Baker living on this Magazine Street line? Because there
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  Speaker 4: was a dedicated line that that traversed this Maga Street
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  Speaker 4: Magazine Street corridor. Because once you get down towards Riley
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  Speaker 4: Coffee Company, which is somewhere down in this area where
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  Speaker 4: the old uh number seventy seven hotel is this little
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  Speaker 4: paint right here. Yeah, but once you're down there, you're
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  Speaker 4: like right by like Lafayette Camp, Canal Street, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Adrian in Alba's garage. All the all the cool spots
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  Speaker 4: are like right way down there, right yeah. So I
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  Speaker 4: was just wondering where she may have been staying, because
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  Speaker 4: it would appear to me that once this bus is
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  Speaker 4: on Magazine Street, it's not veering off Magazine Street. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's going straight down, you know what I mean. That
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  Speaker 4: would be my guess.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, mine as well.
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  Speaker 4: And again do we have the plethora of people other
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  Speaker 4: than Judy Baker stating I rode on this bus with
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  Speaker 4: Lee Oswald for two months when he worked at Rally
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  Speaker 4: Coffee Company, and half an hour each way. It is
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  Speaker 4: a long time to sit around sitting on a bus
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  Speaker 4: and like look at people and talk to people, or
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  Speaker 4: people watch or you know, kind of see who's getting
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  Speaker 4: on who's getting off. Type of thing and for two months.
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  Speaker 4: You think somebody would notice this, dude, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? Mm hmm, especially if he was clandestinely meeting
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  Speaker 4: up with a chick on the bus, you know, instead
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  Speaker 4: of just sit there reading this newspaper all the whole way.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it would be odd if you know, a
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  Speaker 4: chick got on the bus and then you know, they
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  Speaker 4: got all excited to see each other and they sat
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  Speaker 4: together and you know, we're giggly and shit, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, or vice versa, Whether she was already
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  Speaker 4: on the bus and then he got on the bus
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  Speaker 4: and then they kind of sat together and we're like
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  Speaker 4: called lovey dovey and shit. I mean, that would stick
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  Speaker 4: out in some people's minds with nothing none of that.
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  Speaker 4: So there's that right now. Fast forward to September of
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  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, and on September the twenty fifth, somewhere
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  Speaker 4: between five am and ten thirty am, Lee Harvey Oswald
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  Speaker 4: picked up his unemployment check from his PO box three
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  Speaker 4: hundred and sixty one or three zero zero sixty one
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  Speaker 4: at the Lafayette Square Post office in downtown New Orleans.
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  Speaker 4: At the same time, he filed a request to forward
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  Speaker 4: his mail to Ruce Payne's irving address in Dallas. Outside Dallas,
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  Speaker 4: he traveled three miles back to his neighborhood that he
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  Speaker 4: lived in. Okay, we just saw the map, so let
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  Speaker 4: me pop it up there again real quick. So the
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  Speaker 4: Lafayette Square is down here over here by Camp and
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  Speaker 4: Lafayette Street, and apparently there's a post office over there. Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's where he picked up his unplument check. And then
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  Speaker 4: he traveled three miles back to his neighborhood, all the
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  Speaker 4: way back down here and then some okay, that's off
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  Speaker 4: the map, to forty three h three Magazine Street to
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  Speaker 4: a Win Dixie store that was located at four three
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  Speaker 4: to zho three Magazine Street. He then left out of
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  Speaker 4: New Orleans allegedly by bus okay, And I throw it
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  Speaker 4: allegedly there because of several reasons, because there is no
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  Speaker 4: records of Lee Harvey Oswald on any bus leaving New
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  Speaker 4: Orleans and going to Houston, Okay, which is where he
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  Speaker 4: supposedly ended up before boarding the bus that would take
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  Speaker 4: him down to Laredo Nuevo and then onto Mexico City.
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  Speaker 4: There's also the slight problem Joe of the Sylvia Odio incident,
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  Speaker 4: which occurred on September the twenty fifth, now November the
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  Speaker 4: twenty sixth. That morning is allegedly and Lee Harvey Oswell
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  Speaker 4: borded a bus in Houston to go to Laredo and
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  Speaker 4: Nuevo and then across the border and onto Mexico City. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the reason why the Silvia Odio incident is a giant
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  Speaker 4: problem is because he was allegedly accompanied by two other people.
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  Speaker 4: There is speculation whether or not Oswald could have gotten
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  Speaker 4: a ride from New Orleans to Dallas to Sylvia Odios
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  Speaker 4: and whatever else they were doing right, and then separated
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  Speaker 4: from them went to Houston the next day. Now, the
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  Speaker 4: reason that this is a problem is because, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: there's no authentication whatsoever, no documents, no manifests, no nothing
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  Speaker 4: putting Lee Harvey Oswald on a bus from New Orleans
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  Speaker 4: to Houston. So how did he get there. It's speculated
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  Speaker 4: that he took a bus, but nobody knows for sure
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  Speaker 4: because we have zero proof of it. And this is
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  Speaker 4: all part of the Mexico City story, which we'll get
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  Speaker 4: into a little bit more later. But there are problems
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  Speaker 4: with the story as well, and it ties in so
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  Speaker 4: according to Mexican Immigration records. Oswald crossed the border into
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  Speaker 4: Mexico from Laredo at about one point thirty two pm
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  Speaker 4: on twenty sixth of September, and then he was on
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  Speaker 4: a Red Arrow bus number five one six that departed
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  Speaker 4: Nuevo Laredo on the Mexican side of the border at
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  Speaker 4: two point fifteen pm, the destination being Mexico City. Now
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  Speaker 4: here his name appears on the passenger manifest and we
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  Speaker 4: have numerous witnesses who saw and spoke to him on
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  Speaker 4: that bus. Okay, again, when you're talking about Mexico City,
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  Speaker 4: did he go, wasn't him? Was it an imposture or both?
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  Speaker 4: Was he impersonated? Did he really go? This is where
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  Speaker 4: it all turns a little murky because to me to
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  Speaker 4: have these eyewitnesses, Albert Osbourne, you have the tray's Australian
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  Speaker 4: chicks right, and I think there was another married couple
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  Speaker 4: on there that also said that they saw Oswald right now.
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  Speaker 4: The last time he was seen in New Orleans when
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  Speaker 4: he left his apartment there for the last time and
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  Speaker 4: didn't pay his rent or whatever. M His landlady, Missus Gardner,
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  Speaker 4: stated that he left with a suitcase and a bag,
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  Speaker 4: right somewhere along the way one of these items went
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  Speaker 4: missing because according to I believe it was cleaning the
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  Speaker 4: cleaning lady in the Hotel de Commercio or wherever he
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  Speaker 4: was staying there in Mexico City. She said he only
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  Speaker 4: had a like a Duffel bag in his room. No suitcase.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might it might have been that marine bag possibly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Trying to figure out what bag it was, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, whether it was like a beige, beige type
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  Speaker 4: bag or a blue bag. I'm not sure. I'd have
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  Speaker 4: to go back and really really dive in. But so
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  Speaker 4: we have possibly a missing piece of luggage that maybe
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  Speaker 4: Oswald didn't really leave New Orleans with or did he.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: The Warrant Commission had the hypothesis that Oswald traveled by
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  Speaker 4: bus by himself directly from New Orleans to the US
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  Speaker 4: Mexican border at Laredo Nuevo and then on to Mexico City.
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  Speaker 4: The alternative hypothesis, actually supported by Vincent Bugliosi, is that
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  Speaker 4: Oswald departed New Orleans by a car with two Cubans
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  Speaker 4: and detoured to Dallas for an encounter with the anti
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  Speaker 4: caster Cuban exile Silvia Odio. Then all, Oswald made his
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  Speaker 4: way from Dallas to the border at Larrato and on
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  Speaker 4: to Mexico City. Now, could it be Joe that these
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  Speaker 4: travelers that Oswald was with, maybe they didn't come from
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  Speaker 4: New Orleans. Maybe they came from Florida on their way
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  Speaker 4: through New Orleans to Texas. Excuse me, another possibility, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: for sure, because then we have the story right of
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  Speaker 4: Melbourne Marcatti's what was her other name? Their stripper name?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, come on road share me there you go.
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  Speaker 4: You know that she was in a car and she overheard,
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  Speaker 4: you know, tellings of what was gonna be going down
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  Speaker 4: in Dallas, and that's where they were headed to, was Dallas.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe they just hadn't gotten through New Orleans yet
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  Speaker 4: and picked Oswald up. Quite possible. We've also heard stories
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  Speaker 4: of other stories where you know, I Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, Oswald,
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  Speaker 4: Mariita Lorenz Uh, you know, we're hold up in some
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  Speaker 4: hotel in Dallas. But did they caravaned, you know, through
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  Speaker 4: New Orleans to Texas. So there's several ways, and hell,
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  Speaker 4: David Ferry could even flew him in, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you never know, there's several ways that Oswald could have
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  Speaker 4: gotten to Texas. We just don't know exactly how. Thank
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  Speaker 4: you John, Yes, thank you John. Appreciate you brother. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So why would I as well pick up his unemployment
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  Speaker 4: check downtown, then travel three miles back to winn Dixie
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  Speaker 4: near his house, and then travel back downtown to catch
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  Speaker 4: a bus. Why not catch the check downtown as he
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  Speaker 4: had done before? Joe at where?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Was it Martin's Cafe?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? Martin's Cafe? Way to wait to remember good recall
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  Speaker 4: sir who was.
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  Speaker 1: The owner of Martin's Cafe. I'm gonna throw it back
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  Speaker 1: at you.
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  Speaker 4: Jay Martin.
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  Speaker 1: It was a J.
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  Speaker 4: Martin?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was?
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  Speaker 4: Uh was it J Martin? Because that's why he was
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  Speaker 4: on the list, Yeah, Orlando Jay Martin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which we had looked into whether he was Eugenio Martinez,
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  Speaker 1: I think, but we we could have. Yeah, that's not true,
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  Speaker 1: but we tried.
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  Speaker 4: We tried. So Yeah, that's an odd question. Why would
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  Speaker 4: Oswald do that, especially when he's total luggage you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean? Like he didn't go back to his
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  Speaker 4: apartment after this, He left with his suitcase in a bag,
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  Speaker 4: went to get his check, then went all the way
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  Speaker 4: back to cash his check then all the way back
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  Speaker 4: downtown to allegedly where we would have to catch a bus. Right,
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  Speaker 4: makes no sense? Yeah, so again I told you his
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  Speaker 4: name or any of his aliases that means alternative ways
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  Speaker 4: of doing his name like l or O. H Lee
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  Speaker 4: or Harvey Lee Oswald or Lee Henry Oswald or Harvey
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  Speaker 4: Oswald Lee or Lee Harvey Oswald or Alixe Hiddell or
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  Speaker 4: any of the variations of his name or his name
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  Speaker 4: were not on any manifest for any buses Houston bound
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  Speaker 4: from New Orleans, and no eyewitnesses claimed to have seen
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  Speaker 4: him on any Houston bound bus leaving New Orleans. So
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  Speaker 4: to me, that casts a lot of doubt on Oswald
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  Speaker 4: leaving New Orleans on a bus. Just saying so. The
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  Speaker 4: onarean commissioned hypothesis is that Oswald then departed Houston by
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  Speaker 4: bus at two thirty five in the morning on the
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  Speaker 4: twenty six, arriving in Laredo. So Oswald would have had
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  Speaker 4: to leave Dallas at some point after meeting Silviodio. Because
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  Speaker 4: I think correct me if I'm wrong, chat, how far
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  Speaker 4: is I'm from Houston to Dallas three hours? Just guessing, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: Philip's in the chat up Paul Jes in the chat
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  Speaker 4: What's up Paul, Paul so Yes. Eight months later after
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  Speaker 4: the assassination, a British couple who were also on their
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  Speaker 4: way to Mexico City that September day, testified they saw
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  Speaker 4: Oswald on the bus somewhere between Houston and Laredo. They admitted, however,
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  Speaker 4: they did not actually talk to him until much later
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  Speaker 4: that afternoon, while on the Red Arrow bus in northern
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  Speaker 4: Mexico on the way to Mexico City. Alternatively, Sylvia Odio
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  Speaker 4: testified to the Warrant Commission, and her sister Annie corroborated
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  Speaker 4: that on one evening late September sixty three, at about
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: nine pm, three men, two Cubans and one American, arrived
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: by car to their apartment in Dallas. The taller of
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: the two Cubans was the driver and called himself Leopoldo,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: and the shorter of the two called himself Angelo. Speaking
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: in Spanish directly to Odeo, Leopoldo introduced the American as
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Leon Oswald, a former marine. According to his Odio, he
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: mentioned the name Leon Oswald at least twice. Leopoldo said
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: that they had just arrived from New Orleans and would
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: be traveling on to Mexico. So if they were at
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: her house at nine pm in Dallas and it is
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: a three that Mike says, yeah, about three and a
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: half four hours, thank you, Paul, thank you, Flee, thank you, Mike,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: thank you.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So yes, look at the chat coming through there. That
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: is awesome.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: That would put him coming in just under the wire
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: to get on that bus at two thirty five in
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: the morning in Houston. So they must have that. Man.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: If they arrive at Audios at nine pm, they would
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: probably stay there, you know a little while, maybe a
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: half hour, so they would have had to drive pretty
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: much directly straight on to Houston to make sure that
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Oswald got on this bus. If this is Oswald and
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the company of these guys. But apparently they told Odio
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: that they had come from New Orleans and they were
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: driving a vehicle. Okay, so this is the alternative theory
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: to a huge to a New Orleans Houston bus ride.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Missus Odio refused to help them and send them on
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: their way, right, so let's move on a little bit.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Perpetual concepts. Rover Wanderer, Nomad vagabond, call lead what.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: You well, Yes, that that is the Jones Mellon's theory
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: that Angelo was on hell Mergado who later changed his
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: name to Kennedy. Yeah, yeah, so Joe, and looking at this,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: you know, of course, I like to peruse the HSCA
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: because I just feel like they did a little better work,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: right at some point sometimes yeah yeah, not all, not
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: all the time, but most of the time. And I
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: was so disappointed when I came across this as part
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: of the HSCA report, Okay, in Part B, they were
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: outlining differences between the Warrant Commission investigation of Lee Harvey
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Oswoll's activities of Mexico and the House Select Committee on
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Assassinations investigation. So the approach taken by this committee's investigation
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: differs from that of the Warren Commission, primarily in terms
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: of scope. The Warren Commission and the investigative agencies at
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: its disposal went to great links to establish Oswald's travel
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: to and from Mexico and devoted minimal effort to evaluating
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Oswald's contacts with the Cuban and Soviet consulates. Now this
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: is true if you go to the Warren Commission volumes
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: and you start looking for the Mexico City trip. Your
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: brain will melt from the amount of detail that they
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: went into to establish his going to and coming from Mexico.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, they really tried with the whole bus thing
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: and the interviews with people and trying to establish, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: that he that he did go to Mexico and he
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: did come back a certain way. And that's in stark
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: contrast to the HSCA it says it's a conclusion of
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: this committee that the Warrant Commission correctly established that Oswald
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: had traveled to Mexico City. Hence, this committee has chosen
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: not to reinvestigate Oswald's travel to and from Mexico City. Instead,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the committe's approach has been to focus narrowly on Oswald's
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: contact with the Soviet and Cuban diplomatic missions in Mexico
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: City and on evidence that was not available to the
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Warrant Commission at the time. So the HFCA didn't really
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: dive in too much or re investigate Oswald's comings and
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: going from Mexico. I kind of wish they would have,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: because it seems to me like the FBI was being
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: a little picky and choosy with some of their facts
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: and possibly even changing documents when it comes to Oswald
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: and the Mexican government and some of the official border
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: crossing documents things like that, because I believe on the
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: way back, on the way back, that they don't have
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Oswald on the official manifest like his name's just not there.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: But like Albert Osborne is, the two Australian chicks are
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: a certain couple, the British couples on there. But no,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: and maybe it's going down and not coming back. I
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: don't know, but one of the directions, he's just simply
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: not on this manifest And this was supposedly obtained straight
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: from the Mexican government, and nobody knows if this was
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: changed to try to deter this by the FBI, because look,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Oswald going to Mexico is not good for the FBI
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: and the CIA if he's to be the loan assassin,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: because in doing so, you have him going to the
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Cuban Embassy, the Russian or I'm sorry, the Human consulate
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and in the Russian embassy down there in Mexico, and
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: that's not good. It paints him as a pro Russian,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: pro Castro type of deal. Like you know, it's not good.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's tripping through very secretative CIA operations, you know
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: what I mean, l I envoy lad. I think I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: believe the other one was that could be wrong on that,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's when they said
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the cameras didn't work. I mean, he was endangering these
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: top secret operations by kind of tripping his way through there.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. Then there's a lot to get into
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: when it comes to that. But we're not talking about
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: that either tonight.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: No, that's a whole different Uh who follow act? Yeah yeah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but uh, it would be interesting, I mean it would
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I don't see it probable that like Angleton, who was
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: controlling the Osawa file, would have kind of put him
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: through his own operations there, he's like stepping on his
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: own operations. It's it's it's very complicated.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: But another show, Yes, another show. Another show. Now I
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: came across I don't know what is. I think it's
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: a CI a document, internal CIA document, and they were
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out certain things about Oswald and they
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: talk about even the murder weapons supposedly being purchased from
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: clients sporting goods by mail. Blah blah blah blah blah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Subject was arrested New Orleans eight nine sixty three. Charge
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: was disturbing the peace, passing out pro Cuban literature and
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: fair play for Cuba Committee Ajhidel YadA, YadA, YadA. And
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: this is all angles with respect to Hydel and embassy
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: visits of persons who may be identical with Hydel in
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Mexico City must be explored. The following items require principal
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: attention number one. Number one check Mexican border for passage
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: into Mexico under the subject's name and all aliases. Number
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: two keep in mind a letter. No additional information is
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: known by the writer concerning this letter dated November eighteen
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: sixty three, where in Hydel indicated he recently met Comisar
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Costa at the Soviet Embassy and stated in the letter
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: he would like to renew his visa. Number three, have
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: CIA Mexico look at the photo of Oswald to see
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: if he may be an employee of the Cuban Embassy
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: in Mexico City and a messenger and prepare for possible
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: identification with other embassy employees. Number four have CIA Mexico
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: City review available photographs from more than one photograph of
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: visits of subject or Hohdel of more than one time
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: at the Cuban and Soviet embassies also checked to determine
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: the dates hydel In Oswald were in Mexico City. It
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: is important to have the CIA identify Oswald as a
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: visitor to either embassy. Check all hotel registrations for Oswald
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: under true name in aliases. So this this is an
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: FBI document in i CIA. And here's why mister Belmont
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: indicated it was the most important to exhibit the photograph
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: of the person entering the Soviet establishments in Mexico City
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: to the subject's wife to see her reaction. Okay, now
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: we all know they didn't have any photos of Oswald
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: going to or from any of these embassies except the
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: quote unidentified man picture. Yeah, clearly not Oswald.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: If they had them, we would have seen them. Yeah,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that's my belief.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So on the twenty sixth November, Lee Harvey Oswald
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: arrives in Nuevo Laredo, tim will Leipas, Mexico, between thirteen
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: thirty and fourteen hundred, that is military time for one
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: two o'clock from the wave ooiler radio. He traveled to
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Mexico City aboard the bus number number five one six
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: off the Fletcher Rohi bus line, which left the wave
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Oolreedo at fourteen fifteen. That would be two fifteen pm.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: According to the Warrant Commission Report, page seven thirty three
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: commissioned Exhibit twenty four sixty three, page ten. According to
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the records of the Fletcher Roha bus Line, bus number
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: five one six arrived at the Fletcher Rohigh Bus Terminal
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Heroes Farro Carrileros forty five, Mexico City at one thousand.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: That's ten hundred, right, yeah, ten am. On September twenty seventh,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: nineteen and sixty three. Within an hour of his arrival
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: in Mexico City, Joe Oswald registered at the Hotel del
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Commercio on Cali Bnard Bernardino Sachhagen nineteen say that twelve
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: times fast, located four blocks from the bus terminal. Oswald
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: remained in Mexico City until the early morning of October second,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: nineteen and sixty three. Apparently, on both September thirtieth and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: October first, Oswald went to the Agentsia de Viejas Transports
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Chihuahuans Paseo delivered form of fifty two to arrange for
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: travel accommodations from Mexico City back to Dallas. According to
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: the records of the Agencia da Villas, Reservation and Purchase
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Order number one four sixty one eight was issued to
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Transport's Del North de Bus line in the name of
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: mister H. O. Lee. That would be Harvey Oswald Lee.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: So he's using an alias for travel from Mexico City
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: to Laredo, Texas. At the bottom of this printed order,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: the date was indicated to be thirty September nineteen sixty three.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: The records revealed further than a Greyhound International Exchange Order
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: number four three five nine nine for presentation to the
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Greyhound agent in Laredo, had been issued to a mister H. O. Lee. Okay,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: mister Harvey Oswald Lee again with the alias. On October first,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, for travel from Laredo, Texas to Dallas, Texas.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Ho Lee paid a total of two hundred and fifty
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: three zero point seventy five pesos. At the time, that
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: would have been about twenty dollars and thirty cents in cash.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: On October the first, Oswald paid his hotel bill through
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the night. The next morning, Oswald took a taxi to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: transport this down North day bust terminal to board bus
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: three three two, scheduled to leave at eight thirty am
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: for Nuevo Laredo. At about one thirty five on October third,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I was well crossed the International Bridge from Nuevo Laredo
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: into Texas. He traveled from Laredo to Dallas on Greyhound
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Bus number one two six five, leaving Laredo at three
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: in the morning and arriving in Dallas at about two
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: twenty the same day two twenty pm. Until October first,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: sixty three, the Mexico City station knew nothing of the
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: presence in Mexico City of le Harvey Oswald. Okay, we'll
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: skip that and save that for another day, Okay, because
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: that's not about buses. That's about all the other fukery
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: going on down in Mexico City, which I didn't realize
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: that there was so much, Joe, there's so much, I mean,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: there is literally so much. Yeah. Again, it's one of
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: these parts of the assassination that makes my brain bleed
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: and my eyes glaze over, like the medical evidence, like
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Mexico City, and not that it's not because I don't care,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: it's because you know you're in for the long haul.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Like there's just no dipping your toe in the water
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: when it comes to Mexico City. If you want to
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: understand everything about Mexico City, you can't half ass.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: No, you got to you gotta go deep.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: You got to go deep, homeboy.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And you have to understand what games were being played
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: in Mexico City with spy games, and it's.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, I mean you have things, you know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: like Oswald supposedly on tape with Sylvia Duran and this
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: allegedly happened on a Saturday when they weren't open, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: then when they analyzed the tapes that they realized that
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: it's not Oswald's voice and it's not even Sylvia Duran's
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: voice on the tape, So what in the hell is
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: going on? There's all kinds of passport photo fuker, there's
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: all kinds of fake wire taps, fake pictures, and it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: just it's crazy. And you know, was he on the
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: bus that went there? You know, it's like it's a lot,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: it's a lot. We almost need like an expert, yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Or was he on the bus that came back? And
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously the Warrant Commission would want if he
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: did get a ride there or back or both would
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: want to hide that because that would go towards him
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: having fellow conspirators not being lowed up.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Right. So, going back a little bit back to the
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Warrant Commission, when they looked into all this, right, of course,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: the junior lawyers, this was coming memorandum from March twenty fifth,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty four to Howard Willins from David Slawson subject
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: to Oswald's trip to Mexico, outlining and recommendations for further inquiries.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: So they first looked at his issuance of a passport. Now,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I did notice that Paula said that he didn't need
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: a passport to visit Mexico in nineteen sixty three, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: that may be accurate, I don't.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Know, but he would have needed one to go to Cuba,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: if that's right. So, and I do believe and I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: should know this, that he did reapply for his passport
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and get it sometime in sixty three, maybe sixty two,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But it was definitely an issue that he was trying
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to get.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got more on that right here, Joe beautiful. So,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: according to Slawson, fact a citizen of the United States
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: need not have a passport in order to travel in
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Mexico for short periods of time. So, PAULI, you were correct. Nevertheless,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Oswald applied for a passport at the Passport office in
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: New Orleans on June twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three. This
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: would be while he's still working at Riley Coffee Company.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: His application states that he intended intended to stay abroad
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: for from three months to a year and to visit England, France, Germany, Holland, USSR, Finland,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Italy and Poland. Passport number nine two five two six
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: was issued on June twenty fifth, nineteen sixty three. It
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: was marked for travel to all countries except Albania and Cuba,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: and those portions of China, Korea and Vietnam which are
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: under communist control. These limitations were standard and their occurrence
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: on Oswald's passport therefore carries no special significance. Sometime during
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: the trip, Oswald told the McFarlands, I believe that's the
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: British couple right. His purpose in going to Mexico was
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: to evade the American travel band on Cuba and to
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: get to Cuba where he could meet his hero, Fidel Castro.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Tickets from Nuevo Laredo to Mexico City, at least if
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: they are urches from Continental trailways in New Orleans. Were
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: ten dollars for a one way trip, and that's from
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: the border to Mexico City.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Right, Laredo the border, Yeah yeah, and.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: The Wavoi Laredo was on the other side of the border, yeah, raided. Yes,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: they did not find the cost of a round trip.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: That's not known. Oswald arrived in Mexico City at about
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: ten am on September twenty seventh. The Fletcher Rohigh bus
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: upon which Oswald was riding, arrived in Mexico City order
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: about ten am on September twenty seventh. As previously stated,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: our evidence is fairly firm that Oswald arrived at the
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: bus station with one suitcase and a small zipper bag.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: So he arrived at the bus station Joe with his
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: suitcase and a small zipper bag. Yet somehow, some in
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: between there right and the hotel, he did not have
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: a suitcase, which is odd. Oswald was registered at the
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: hotel the commercial I'm not even gonna try to say
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: the road name again because fuck that. From September twenty
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: seventh through the night of October first, he registered as
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Lee Comma Harvey Oswald, proceeding from the USA texas a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: photographer and a US citizen. While in Mexico City, he
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: contacted both the Soviet and Cuban embassies, the former at
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: least twice, probably three times, in the latter at least twice,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: and possibly three times as well, ostensibly to obtain permission
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: to travel to Cuba. We have no firm evidence that
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: his real purpose was any different than his ostensible purpose.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: He had his passport with him and probably also carried
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: some FPCC press clippings and some letters from the Russian
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Embassy in Washington as proof. You know that he is
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: a commy threw and through and needs to get to
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: keep on. Now, this Comma following Oswald's first name, and
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: the fact that he was posing as a photographer probably
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: derived from the fact that this comma somehow slipped into
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: his name when his tourist card was made out, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: the tourist card also listed him as a photographer by occupation.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Oswald paid his bill on October the first, The payment
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: including the night of October first. No one remembers when
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: he checked out, but presumably it was some time during
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: the morning or early afternoon of October second, so they're
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: saying that the comma after Lee is probably a mistake. Allegedly,
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: but whatever. Oswald is listened as having stayed in room
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: number eighteen at the Hotel de Commercio, Rooms eighteen through
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: twenty three occupy one floor. The hotel clerk, mister Garcia Luna,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: examined the registry book for the period of Oswald's stay
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: and was able to identify three of the guests who
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: occupied rooms on the same floor during this period. He
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: said he was able to identify these three because they
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: frequently stopped at the hotel. Two of the three men
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: identified by the clerk cannot be found, and the third,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: mister Alfonso Perez Pelego of Guadalajara, Alisco, Mexico, stated simply
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: that he frequently stops at the Hotel del Commercio when
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: he is in Mexico City, that he was there during
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: this period of September twenty sixth and twenty eight in
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: room nineteen, but they did not notice Oswald's presence at all.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: Oswald's activities in Mexico City are not known with the
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: high agree of certainty. The address book found among those
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: effects after his arrest following the assassination. List would appear
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: to be the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of these
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City and a Cuban airline.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: In addition, the name Sylvia Duran has written under the
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Cuban embassy address along in parentheses hot as balls. I'm joking.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: So there is that, all right. And a check of
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: all the records of the Mexican National Telegraph Company and
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: of all the leading banks enter around Mexico City has
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: failed to show any money sent or received by Oswald
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: under his real name or known aliens as while he
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: was in Mexico, So that's interesting. So whatever money he
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: had he took with him. And oh, by the way,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: the check that he went to get his unemployment check
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: was for a whopping thirty three dollars. Yeah, so apparently
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: thirty three dollars funded this trip to Mexico where he
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: also stated that he was going he wanted to see
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: a bullfight, a Jilight game, and he bought Marina a
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: silver bracelet and it had it engraved with her name
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: on it, and apparently also bought an astray for her
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because didn't he eat when she smoked and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like put a cigarette butt out on him on her?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: That doesn't match up. But I mean that's the first
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: time I've heard that. But when you say, like thirty
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: three dollars, you're thinking, like, neuelov Torlado.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: To just Nuevo Laredo to Mexico City is ten bucks one.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Way, right, so like on yeah, So like I mean you.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Had to get from New Orleans to Houston somehow, right,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: And that's no. I mean that's what a six Yeah, Well.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I did this while you were talking, Robin. So up
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: here is Houston Laredo right here by the border, yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and then the Monterey Nouveau Leone area and then that's
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: a long haul down to Mexico City, a nineteen hour
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: trip and that's today. So I mean give her take whatever.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, shitty bus on shitty Mexican roads in nineteen sixty three.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it's it's about a day. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: would say, what stops.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: And well, do me this real quick plug in New
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Orleans to Houston. See see how much of a trip
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: that is?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: If I could do this.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Boom Scott said the return trip was twenty bucks, right,
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: there's thirty bucks.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: That's this well check pretty much ITAs twenty four hours,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So it went from nineteen to twenty four so you're adding.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Five just just New Orleans to Houston. Nothing else.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, thanks Google Maps.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: There's the Gulf of America, folks.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Hours it says three hundred and fifty miles today.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: That road might not have existed back then, who knows.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: But still five six hours.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Well it's a big interstate. It might have but yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: five five six hours?
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Yea? And how far is it from New Orleans to Dallas,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Like if you went to Odio's first Okay.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Well it would be a little detour north, actually big
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: detour north right through.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Guess where report?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sir, you guessed it. Uh seven hours, that's our
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: car ride. It's at least a four hour detour north
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and at least a three four hour detour south.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: So and if it was a bus ride, yeah, well
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: if you I mean, you got to figure it's stopped
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: in multiple places.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And well, I don't think it would have been a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: bus ride if he was with Leopoldo and.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: And right, I'm saying, so if you want trade to Houston,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: it would have been like five hours but they probably
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: have been stopping in various places along the way because
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: the bus stops.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the breaks, Yeah, smoke breaks at that time,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: for sure. Uhh yeah, for sure. It's a big detour.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: It was a big Ruth didn't take him, but Ruth
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: took Marina.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, before. Yeah, they were back before to see
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: some doctors, pregnancy doctors and Dallas, I believe.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Ruth was concerned, Ruth's gloved fingers.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Ruth was concerned, that's for sure.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: So let's see. Yeah, that's we're getting into the weeds
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: with the consulate visits and the embassy visits, and we
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: can save that for another day. We have to get
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: like a I mean, the last time I had somebody
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: on here to talk about Mexico City like as an expert,
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: I think it was Carmine, like four or five years ago.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I think I remember that.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's basically buses from New Orleans to wherever allegedly,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: and from Houston to Nuevo Laredo to Mexico City. And
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: I'll let Joe handle the second part where we're coming
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: back from Mexico City and then his Dallas bus adventures.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yep. Uh so I only have a little bit on
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the way back, because that's also a huge rabbit hole.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Uh but I have a bunch on Dallas that I'll
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: make it into. But Rob, if you can give me
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds and just talk to the chat, I'll be
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: right back.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, I will start the Jeopardy timer. Do do Do
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: do do do. All right, let's see what we got here.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Paula traces it took several hours, seven plus hours, a
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: gift from New Orleans to s report just the report
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: back then. Paula says there was no interstate NOLA and
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: shreport in sixty three or sixty hours of potholes and
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: state highway. So yeah, it sounds like that was a
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: hell of a ride back then. And you gotta also figure, man,
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: these cars back then, I don't know how well equipped
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: they were for long distance driving, you know what I'm saying,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Like it seems like these older cars have a lot
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: of problems with overheating and battery problems, tire problems. Yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Uh, no gloves for Roos he said
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: it was a Quaker thing. You wouldn't understand, that's right,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Oh lordy, oh lord. Joe's back from getting a snack.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I did take a bite of a breef know on
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: my way back from the bathroom. Yes, I know you
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: respect that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Tiny's here high tiny.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Better late than never, for sure. Yes, so Rob, the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: way back from Mexico City is just as murky as
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: as the trip there. And there there are a bunch
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: of Warren Commission exhibits talking about this. I'm just gonna
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: share one of them real quickly. And this is from
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Mexico City on the bottom to Monterey, which is along
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: the same route we talked about, and then Monterey to Laredo, Texas.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna read this something left Exhibit D.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: He is a three page manifest of transport this Front
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Bus Comfort Company covering trip two for bus number three
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: forty departing from Mexico City for Laredo, Texas on October two,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. The results of the FBI laboratory examination
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: of this manifest were reflected on page fifty two of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the Report of Gamberling Data, January seventh, sixty four. With
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: respect the above described manifest. It should be noted that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the seats, they go into the seats.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: We don't need to go over that.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Although he had they're talking about someone in the bust.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Although he had no independent recollection concerning this particular trip,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: he presumed he had made the reservations for two friends
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: who subsequently purchased their tickets and utilized the seats. It
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: should also be noted that C four is listener to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the name of os WLD, so not Oswald, OSWLD, almost
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: like an abbreviation. Yeah, with a distinction of load, which
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean Laredo, right, it's also an abbreviation.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: And that no ticket number is listed shocker. Extensive investigation
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: at the offices of the Transport Transport this Frontra bus
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: company in Monterey on December tenth, sixty three resulted in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the location they are of all tickets whose numbers are
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: listed on the bus passenger list. Was pointing out then
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: that the ticket numbers prefixed. I mean, and there's this
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: whole thing of like ticket numbers and bus times and all.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: This is crazy drama. But what is really interesting is
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a state department membo. I believe it's I and s
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: rob oh Hold on and this is dated November twenty third,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. And as you know, Rob, this was
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: probably before they got their Mexico City ducks.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: In a row. Yeah, we're very early in the narrative
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: figured out this out.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. In view of delay in checking central files
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Mexico City, this morning, we asked all of US a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: US consul lar border posts to check Mexican immigration records
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: for possible entry or exit of Lee Harvey Oswalt and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: is known aliases Lee H Oswalt, Lee Harvey H. Lee
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: this evening, that would be Saturday night, November twenty third,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Console and in Nuevo Laredo telephone information that immigration records
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: in Nuevo Laredo show entry into Mexico of Lee Henry Oswalt,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: which Rob, I could be wrong, but I think that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was one of the uh.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Like I was intelligence screw up Yeah, well.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well screw up in quotations, right, was it meant
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: to be a type of what's that thing called card? Yes? Yes,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: where yeah, where you could tell who was requesting the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: information and who has it, right, the whole mullown thing.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: On September twenty sixth sixty three, Aged twenty three occupation photographer.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: We've heard this before, Rob, Yes, I just said it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: a little bit ago.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed that. I'm sorry. Residence, New Orleans, destination
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: in Mexico City, tourist car number two four zero five.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Record does not show whether he entered by automobile. I'm
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: gonna repeat that. Record does not show whether he entered
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: by automobibile record, same Office of Immigration shows departure of
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: same individual on October third, nineteen sixty three by automobile.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Read that part again.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Record, same office.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: That would be the.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Nuevo Laredo immigration records, I believe, right on the border.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: At the border, yeah, shows departure of same individual, Lee
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Henry Oswald on October third, sixty three by automobile.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Lee Henry Oswald leaving by automobile.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Back into the left by automobile.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: And Harvey Oswald Lee leaving by bus.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: We are instructing council and cooperation with FBI Agent Laredo
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: to obtain copies of all immigration records concerning this entry
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: and exit. We are, of course continuing efforts to obtain
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: information and duplicate copies from Mexico City and blah blah,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. So they really have no
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: idea we got their back, and if they did, they
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: were covering it up because they wanted to promote the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: loan nut theory. You can't have conspirator or someone driving you.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the Warrant Commission tasked the FBI to figure
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: all this stuff out right, to do the Mexico City investigation,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: or at least the to and fro part of it.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: And when you have things that don't line up like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: this all the time, that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: Can be a clear indication of a classic fuckery. Yeah,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: it doesn't get more fugery than Mexico City, that is
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: for sure.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe I spoke too soon because we haven't gotten
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to his Dallas bus adventures yet, and that is a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: whole other level of sugary there, sir.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, and.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll get into that now. And there's a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: bunch more exhibits on like the passenger manifest lists on
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: his bus home and things like that, but it would
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: have been redundant, so I don't think we need to
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: go over that.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. All I know is that from one of those
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: passenger manifest lists, Lee Harvey aswell was not on it.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: M I can't remember it was going to or coming from,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: but if it was coming from, it would line up
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: with the fact that he left by car, because then
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't have been on the bus. Yeah, but if
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: he left by car, that would mean he probably went
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: by car. Yeah, I'm sure just didn't meet some nice
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Mexican somewhere in Mexico's gonna give him a ride back
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: to Dallas, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And once it was like the people that were
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: kind of running and playing that wanted to run him
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: through those Mexico City operations, right, And I think, uh,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's very likely situation. Not it's a possible situation.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I wist stay very likely.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: But so.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: We now get to Dallas and Rob, I know we
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: or you talked about our members only two or three
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. We went on on a little tangent about
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: this of how did Lee Harvey Oswald get to work
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: every day? Because the official narrative we were told was
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Buell only drove him on nights he was in irving right,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: allegedly allegedly, but there is no there's no evidence of
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: any bus rides to work from his house in Beckley
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: or like we'll see from a couple other places that
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: he stayed and you can't make this up. One of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: the ladies who was on the bus, the Cecil mcwater
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: mcwater's bus that he got on and then got off
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: because it was going too slow and then got in
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the cab. We all know that story. The star witness
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: on the bus was his former landlady, Missus Bledsoe m Yeah,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: who did not want to rent.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: He had gotten a one week. He had rented a
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: room for her for one week, but she did not
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: want to rent him another week because she heard him
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: speaking a foreign language on the.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Spe phone and he was rude. No, he used to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: drink out of the cart and of milk and refrigerator.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I can see how people will think
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Lee is rude, but he kind of just kept to himself.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: But I think it was the language that really according
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: Uh, that stay is memorialized in a fake police report,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: which one there was a fake police report out there.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: It's one of those too good to be true documents
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: right where allegedly h Missus Bloodstoe had called the police
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: to report a fight between Lee, Harvey Oswald and Jack
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Ruby at her house where they got into a fight
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: and like broke furniture and ship. But it was turned
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: out to be a clever, very clever, falsified document.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Huh. I did not come across that, But maybe that's.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: For the better. Maybe maybe I'll see if I can
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: find it real quick while.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: You sure, Yeah, I'm gonna start with mister Cecil McWaters,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the bus driver here, who was driving the Marsalis bus
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: west on Elm Street, who allegedly picked up Lee Harvey
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Oswaldt and then two blocks later, Lee Harvey Oswalt got
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: impatient allegedly and wanted to get off the bus, asked
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: for a transfer ticket, which was later found in his
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: possessions by the DPD allegedly, and then got in a
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: cab and then went back to Beckley, of course, going
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: a few blocks past the boarding house. Blah blah blah.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna stick to the bus right here. So
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Cecil McWaters was the bus driver. And as we always do, Rob,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: we start with the same day testimony or AFFI David,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and this is from the DPD archives. He was brought
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: in at about six six thirty ish and gave this
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: statement and then later picked out Lee Harvey Oswalt in
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: a lineup. But we will get to that a second,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I promise mcwatters. States Today, November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: about twelve forty pm, I was driving Marcelli's bus, number
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: twelve thirteen. I picked up a man on the lower
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: end of Elm and a lower end of town. On
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Elm around Houston, I went out on Marsalis and picked
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: up a woman. I asked her if she knew the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: president had been shot, and she thought I was kidding.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I told her if she did not believe me, to
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: ask the man behind her that he had told me
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: the president was shot in the temple. This man was
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: grinning and never did say anything. The woman said that
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: if it was not a grinning matter, right, it's not funny.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I don't remember where I let this man off. This
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: man looks like the number two man I saw in
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: the lineup tonight. And the transfer that was found in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Oswalt's wallet number zero zero, four four five to nine
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: is the transfer from the bus with my punch mark,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: so rob everyone had. All the bus drivers had like
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: a different unique punch mark, so they think punched a
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: ticket and you could tell like it was from this route.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: So when he transferred whatever, so the punch mark was
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: confirmed to be waters punch mark. That as everything in
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: this case, it is not that simple because oh no, no,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: So I you know, one of the good things rob
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: to do and you and I obviously I have learned
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: this is to not just search for documents in one place, right,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Like Mary Ferrell is an amazing research my number one
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: go to, but I like to go to the DPD
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: archives and see what they have. Is as you know,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: we found a very interesting James Martin document that was
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: handwritten on the DPD archives, very interesting description. But if
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: you look at that document on Mary Ferrell is not
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: on there, right, So I went to the DPD archives
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: today to find Cecil mcwater's handwritten affidated not the typed one. Okay, yeah,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and look at this in the middle. I don't remember
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: where I let this man off. That's where the type
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: thing ends. But crossed out here is. But I believe
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I let him off at Marsillus. Crossed out Isn't that beautiful?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, to us, nerves is beautiful.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: But so well, explain why because earlier in his testimony
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: he claims he picked the man up first, yes, and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: then picked up Bloodsoe at Marcellis. So if you let
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: the man off at Marsalis, then there would have been
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: no interaction between Bledsoe and Oswald. Yeah.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: But allegedly Oswald caught off after two blocks. And the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: interesting thing is he is on Elm Street right, So
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: he walks seven blocks to the bus and gets on
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and allegedly bangs on the door of the bus that's on.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: The bus is heading back towards the school booked busy.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: It gets stuck in traffic and he gets off two
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: blocks later and then goes to the Greyhound station catches
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: the cab. You know, we all know this. And when
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: you think about I mean, I can imagine Oswald was
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: panicking at that time and he didn't have an escape
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: plan because he didn't know what's going down, all right,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: So that that makes sense to me. But the whole
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: you know, letting the old lady go and get the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: first cab before him. But I'm just going to go
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: a little long here. The DPD officer C. N. Doherty,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: This is the officer's report. We met mister mcwarterers and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: carried him to the detail room at six thirty pm
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: McWaters made identification of Oswalt as number two man in
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: the four man lineup. McWaters gave me an affy David
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: in the homicide office and identified the transfer that he
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: had given Oswalt positively. So he's confirming that what they
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: found in Oswalt's wallet was from his kind of you know,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: clickery thing. But a friend of the show, Gil Jesus
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: has done a lot of work on this research on
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: this heir. And these are the three gentlemen that we're
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: in the lineup with Oswalt that McWaters was picking out
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: from him.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: And he actually made what Oswald look like. Right. He's
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: wearing a reddy ass white T shirt, his faces all
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: bruised up. Yep, yeah, there you go. Yeah, No, he
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: made this.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: And this is from a Gildashjesus dot com. This might
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: be lineup, not Oswald's escape, but it's all linked.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: You have W. E.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Perry, thirty four years old, wearing a brown sports jacket,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Richard L. Clark blonde hair, wearing a red vest and
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: these were both detectives, okay, yeah, and then you have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: this guy who's like an orderly, like a clerk, Don Abeles,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: wearing a gray knit sweater. None of these three fillers
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: matched the description of any of the witnesses given of
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: the typical bubble. In addition, Oswald was handcuffed to Perry
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: and Clark, so I guess all three were handcuffed, which
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: is interesting, making it obvious he was the suspect. Yeah,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: and this is the picture of the two detectives and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: the orderly so yeah, I mean, you know, the lineups
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: is a whole different rabbit hole as well, right, and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Gill's done some great work on that, but it was
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: obviously kind of staged.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Right, So.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Let's go to mcwaterer's warr commission testimony. He got on
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: around Griffin Street, seven blocks away from the TSBD. I'm
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: not going to read through this also from gills site.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: On the left is what a real transfer ticket would
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: look like, right with the time, I guess here on
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: the left side on the bottom and on the right
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: is the commission exhibit that does not have the the times.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: But he also notes how the time of one o'clock
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: at the bottom is not punched, which it would have
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: been because this was at like twelve forty right twelve
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: fifty while he was on the bus. So just some
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: discrepancy there. This is Commission Exhibit three seventy five. This
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: is mcwater's bus.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: The view of mcwater's butts from the inside, from the front.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: And Oswalt allegedly was right here behind this teenager, which
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. This is, of course the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: look at this shitty fucking exhibit in the War Commission.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: This is the bus by the way. M hm, Well,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: are they trying to like make sure that you can't
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: lean anything from it?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Crappy copy?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think probably intentional, h a little
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: better one. So the front door on the front right side,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: driver on the front left side. This is the lady
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: going to the train station that got off once you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: realized she was not going to make it with the traffic. Oh,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: it's not Oswalt. It's a teenager, Milton Jones, and m
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: in the seat behind him is allegedly Oswalt, who sat
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: down and got off at the same time the lady
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: who went to the train station did two blocks after
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: he got on, and again Oswalt was kind of like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: here on the left if you can see my cursor. Yeah, okay,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: so again Oswald here from Daley Plaza and the TSBD
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and again this is a current Google Google Maps version.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: But TSBD one two, three, four, five, six seven, about
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: seven ish, there's like half blocks in there. So he
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: walks this way, gets on a bus, goes two blocks
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: this way, and then gets off. The bus goes south
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: to the Greyhound bus station where he gets the cap
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: allegedly right, but it makes no sense really, And this
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: is the mar saleless bus. Behind this bus, literally right
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: behind was the Beckley bus that would have dropped him
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: off right in front of his rooming house, where Arlene
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Roberts would later say after he got his jacket and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: allegedly is gone. He didn't. She didn't say that, but
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: you know other people said he got his gun. She
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: saw him standing at the bus stop. So why would
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: you take the Marsalis bus and not the Beckley one?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Right, I do not know.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: The Marsalis bus would be seven blocks away from his
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: rooming house, so I'm not sure. But we go to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: missus Mary Bledsoe Oswald's former landlady for a week. And
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: this is also this is a November twenty third ALFI
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: David the day after Saturday.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe he forgot he wasn't staying at Marcellus anymore.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I never know. Last Friday in Rebor twenty second, I
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: went downtown. Maybe it was a little after I went
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: downtown to see the President. I stro on Main Street,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: just across the street from Tea Chase, until the parade
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: passed by. Then I walked over to Elm and caught
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: a bus to go home. The bus traveled to West
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and Elm Street to about Murphy Street and made a stop.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: And that is when I saw Lee Oswalt get on
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the bus. The traffic was heavy and it took quite
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: some time to travel two or three blocks. During that time,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: someone made the statement that the president had been shot.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: And while the bus was stopped due to the heavy traffic,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Oswald got off the bus and I didn't see him again.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I know this man was Lee Oswalt because he lived
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: in my home November or October seventh, sixty three to
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: October fourteenth, nineteen sixty three.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Interesting, this would be a good time, Joe to introduce
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: the fake police report from Mary Bledsoe. I found it.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, great, yeah, sure.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: Let's get that off the screen. Let's take a look
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: at it. Okay, okay, here we go. Now for those
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: like me who can't see. I'll read it to you.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: But this is it. It looks like a legitimate It
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: looks like a legitimate police report, right yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I mean it's not in the format that DPD documents
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: are usually in, but.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to blow it up so I can read it.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Oh that's a little too much. Okay, I mean it
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: kind of looks legit. It's a general offense report now
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: right under where it's his general offense report.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna give you a cipher to uh, to solve, Joe.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Since you're good with numbers, write these numbers down twenty one,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: eighteen one, six, nine, fourteen and eleven, and just do
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: a simple alphabet cipher, you know, like the twenty first
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: letter of the alphabet will be twenty one. Write that note,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: write that letter down, and so forth and so on. Okay, okay,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: hold on and I'll come back to you while you
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: do that. Okay, okay. So this is a general offense report.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: The complainant, Mary E. Bledsoe. The offense has reported disturbing
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: the peace at six twenty one North Marcella Street. Date
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: of offense ten eleven sixty three on Thursday, So This
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: would have been while Oswald was staying there from the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: seventh to the fourteenth, So this allegedly curd at eleven
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: thirty pm on October eleventh. The responding officer was J. C. White. Okay,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: damage to bed chairs and TV set and here's the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: details of the offense. Missus Bloodsoe, owner of a rooming house,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: reported a scuffle going on in one of her rooms
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: once she just rented earlier in the week to mister O. H. Lee.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: After the arrest of the suspects below, mister Missus Bloodsoe
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: identified one of them as her rumor, mister Lee. His
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: name was actually Alex Hedell. When confronted with his identification
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: cards and mailing and mail addressed to him, Missus Blodsoe
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: said she was not sure if he was a rumor
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: or not. When brought into Downtown headquarters, the complainant again
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: changed her story concerning how the fight began, and so
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: all suspects were released pending for their investigation. Now hang on,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: let me let me zuome me in on that. Okay.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: Suspects name address J. A. Rubinstein, thirteen oh three and
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: a half Commerce Street, Alex Hidell, six Pot twenty one
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: North Marcellus witness H. H. Grant at forty seven fourteen
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: seventeen Garrett and other witness missus Mary Bledsoe address above. Okay,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: so nothing missing, only broken goods is what this says above.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Suspects release pending investigation White Hargas disturbing the peace ten
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: twelve sixty three. Right, blah blah blah blah blah. Now, Joe, Yeah,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: on this offense report they have listed Alec Heydell. Okay,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: but I think they I think they got the birthdays
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: mixed up because they have all right, I'm sorry, that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: must be the ages white male twenty two five eleven
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: one five, Jack Ruby, white male thirty nine five nine
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: one eighty nine, and whoever this AHH. Grant is white male,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: thirty two five eleven point eighty and they all have
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: brown hair. And about fifty dollars in damage was done
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: to her chairs and television and uh bed. Now this
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: looks kind of legit and it's very damning. If you
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: could put Jack Rubin, Jack Ruby, and Lee Hoswall getting
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: in a fight at the Bloodsoe rooming house in October,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: that's proof dead dead ask proof that they knew each other, right, it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Whoop be.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: Now, like you said something about this offense report doesn't
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: quite look right right, It's like there's something off Now
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: are you have you going? Did you complete the exercise
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: that I gave you? And what does that spell?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: It spells you are.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: Yes? Uh a f yeah, I n K you are
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: a fink?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: What's the think? What the audience know?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: I think I think that's an old timey uh derogatory comment. Uh,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: let's let's get the legitimate um hm hm A fink
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: derogatory informal an unpleasant or contemptible person. Right, but it's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: typed right under where it says offense report.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it's I think I mean Alec
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: haidel j A. Rubins sign on the same document as
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: it does seem a little too good to be true.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: And I actually have another thing that I'm gonna get
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: into with Bledsoe's testimony that will give what name Lee
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: gave when he did rent the room from her. Yeah,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: and this isn't the war import and I will just
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: let you know it is not an alias, which is
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: really interesting. I'm gonna continue here, so we're gonna continue
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: with Bledsoe's war commissioned testimony. Did you ever rent a
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: room in your home to Lee Harvey Oswald? Lee Oswald? Yes,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: uh hm, I'm not as good as Europe. Can you
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: tell me the first time that you ever saw him?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: What the date was?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Mis bled? So the first time I ever saw him
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: or heard of him, I was in the backyard doing
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: yard work. I came around the house and he was
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: standing on the porch and he said, do you have
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: a room for rent? I had a for rent sign out.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: I said yes, and he said may I see it?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: And I wanted yes. And then I was trying to
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: size him up in that room and in the house,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: and I said are you married? And he said, yes,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: I am married. I just want this for a short time.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: My wife lives in Irving. And then we got inside
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: the house and he had a thing where this pictures
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: of his wife and baby, and he said he was
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps. And I tried to be nice
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: to him, and so he paid me seven dollars. Did
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: tell you what his name was?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: What did he say?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: He said his name was Oswalt and he put it
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: on this thing. My son took it and sold it.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: This is hilarious. Wrong, you're gonna laugh at this. You
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: said he put it on this thing, mister Ball says,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Joseph Ball, Sorry, this right here? Do you want to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: do a Southern accent?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: You're what is this thing?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Mister Ball says in quotations calendar, Well, miss Dowitt, which
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: was Missus Bledsoe's lawyer, which I think is the same
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: way the typic guy Matt Dowitt.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: Is spelled Matt. Doubt it's a great grandmother, is it? No,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't be shocked he's from Dallas. I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: mean I would not be honestly, bro, I would like
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: that's what we got to this case. I would not
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: be shocked. But anyways, this lady was Bledsoe's lawyer. Why
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: don't you pull up your chair and be comfortable while
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: you're doing this, the lawyer says to missus Bledsoe. Mister Ball, Now,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: why now you have a calendar here, Blodsoe, Yes, this
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: is my calendar. That's the calendar for December sixty three.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: And I noticed it as dates and names? And is
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: that the way you keep your books in your rooms?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: But I don't now I did then because I had
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: just started. The first one I got was in September,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: September sixty three. Mister Baul asked, uh huh. He put
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: his name on the calendar talking about Oswald's. Well got
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: it in September. He got it, my son sold it
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: for five dollars. And I don't even know that he
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: tore that out, mister ball. Now, let me see here
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: in this calendar it runs from January sixty three to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: December sixty three, but October that must be off. But
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: October sixty three has been torn out.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: Uh huh.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: And he said his name was Lee. Oswalt was what
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: his name was, And I said, well, I can't think
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: of that name, Oswalt. I will call him Lee. So
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: interesting here that he's not giving an alias to missus
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Bledsoe according to her right, no o h.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: Lee, no, no all, yeah, no, oh, well.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Whatever, which of course contradicts that document, Robert, right, going
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: back to what you showed. I'm sorry, but yeah, he
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: says he was using the Lee alias, which he was
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: not according to missus Bloodsoe. Do you know what kind
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: of transportation he had? And I'm kind of jumping around here, No,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't pay attention to him. Did you
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: ever see him drive up in a car? No, always
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: took a bus, adventures and bussing.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: How do you know that?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I saw one time he stopped over there across
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: the street and get the bus. That is only time
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't watch what he did. Of course,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I had no idea he was the kind of man
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: he was. But he said, and I want my room
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: cleaned and clean sheets put on the bed. And I said, well,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: I will after you move, Because you were going to move.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: He said, why, I says, because I'm not going to
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: rent you the room no more, mister ball, not going
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: to what I feel like. She had a deep accent
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: here this BLOODSOE not going to rent you the room
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: no more? He said, give me back my money, two dollars,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: which is like twenty bucks. Mister ball. Why did you
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: tell him you wouldn't rent in the room anymore? Because
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't like him? Why? I didn't like his attitude.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: He was just kind of like this, you know, just
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: big shot, you know. And I didn't have anything to
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: say to him, but I didn't like him. There was
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: just something about him. I didn't like or want him,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: just kind of the person I wanted, just didn't want
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: him around me. One of the interesting parts of her
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: later testimony is, like we mentioned earlier, her hearing him
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: speaking a foreign language, mister Paul, and the foreign language
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: that you heard Oswald using over the telephone on this
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon, Do you know what language this was? No?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Are you familiar with the Spanish language? No,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I am not, miss Bledsoe says, I'm not familiar with
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: any of them. All. You know it was not English? Yes,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: but you can't tell what language it was, miss Bledsoe, No,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: can you make a guess?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: No, I have no idea.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: I do because the girl is Spanish, but I don't
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: know whether he called her or not. Mister Paul, what
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: girl is Spanish? I mean his wife is Russian? Russian?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, missus Bloodsoe says. So she's very confused.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that came out in testimony
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: is that she had a stroke and she could remember things.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the testimony, mister Baul asks,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: before you go, I notice you have been reading from
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: some notes before you, missus Bloodsoe, Well, because I forget
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: what I have to say, Mmmm, well, what when did
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: you make those notes? What day did I make them?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Question Mark? And then the lawyer miss, Now what comes in?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: When mister Sorel's Secret Service and I were talking about
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: her going to Washington, he made the suggestion that she
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: put all the things down on paper because she might
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: forget something. And I said, Mary, you put everything on
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: a piece of paper so you can remember it and
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: you won't forget anything. You know what happened, And that's
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: when she started making notes. Mister Paul, you have made
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: the notes in the last week. Yes, lawyer says that
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: my suggestion and mister Sorels's suggestion, you didn't make any
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: notes during the week he was there.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: No, they deny it.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: So you have this lady who had a stroke, who
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: was Oswalt's former landlady, reading off of notes made by
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: her lawyer and for sorrels of the Secret Service.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just a little bit fishy.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: She's a she's a lot. And you know she was
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: like a kind of star witness rob like for the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: whole bus an escape narrative, Like she was almost like
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: the Mark Them, Like she reminds me of Mark Them, bro,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: but like maybe even worse honestly.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because she said that le Oswald was wearing that
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: rusty brown shirt that he was arrested in, and then
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: she noticed it was torn in the elbow and all
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: that stuff, which nobody put.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't even know I had this coming. Yes, yeah,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: she said the guy that she saw was disheveled, the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: buttons were broke, there were holes in the elbow, almost
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: like she's describing a Crayford type of guy. Right, I'm
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: not saying that, but.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: We know describing the shirt he was arrested in. But
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: he wasn't wearing that shirt at work, and all the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: damage to the shirt apparently happened during his arrest at
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: the Texas Theater.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Right, So the left is Commissioned Exhibit at one fifty,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: which is of that shirt allegedly, and the right is
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: and I got this from Gills website as well, the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Shaney Felt exhibit number twenty four. This is some FBI
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: agent wearing that shirt. And as you could tell, there
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: is no hole in the elbow area.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: We might be in the other elbow.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: It could be, it could be. But again this comes
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: from Gills website and so ms bledsoe is I guess
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: the best analogy would be like the Hella Markham of
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: the the bus drapa, like the most the worst witness.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Ever, trying to make them the best witness ever.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, but it does not end there, because there was
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: one more witness and besides the besides Cecil Waters hold on,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: and that was this teenager Milton Jones.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Milton Jones. Yeah.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, actually, you know what, before I get into that,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: I had a little thing I want to say of
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: the war Commission with mister Ball and mister McWaters the
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: bus driver. Yes, uh, mister Ball, you didn't, as I
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: I understand it. When you were in the police lineup,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: you told us that you weren't able to identify this
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: man the lineup as the man who got off that
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: you gave the transfer to the bus driver, says Quatters.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: I told them, to the best of my knowledge, I said,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: the man that I picked out was the same height
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and the same weight and description. But as far as
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: actually saying that is the man, I couldn't. Mister Ball,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: you couldn't do it. I wouldn't do it, and I
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do it now. Pretty emphatic saying despite the obvious
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: fixed aspect of the lineups. You know, he has not
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: given up, and that's the Warran commission.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: There. Comment of the night goes to tray let me
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: see this allegedly, folks. Yeah, kah, let me.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Check a couple of comments. Thank you, Trey, we do
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: try to rock.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: What's up?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Rid?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: I know were and in relation to Milton often no,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Milton was his first name, So I don't think so
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: opto So all right, let's get into this teenager here.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Who was the other witness on the bus. So it
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: was the bus driver who admittedly said I can't identify him.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: I was driving the bus like I don't know what's
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: going on type of thing. And to his I think,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: you know, might have kind of fought off some opposition
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: to make him identify him as Oswalt. So credit to
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Micwater's there.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: The only other known witness to have seen this incident
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: was an teenager named Milton Jones. Jones was a part
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: time student attending the morning classes at Crozier Technical High School.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: In the afternoon, he worked at Buddy's Supermarket at tenth
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: and Jefferson Streets. Right. He got up at school at
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: about eleven forty five each morning, walked to the bus
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: stop at the Majestic Theater and caught the Marseilless bus
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: on twenty second November. He took a seat near the
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: front door. It was the first front facing seat, opposite
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: the driver. Thus he was situated practically in the middle
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: of where the alleged Oswalt incident was to take place.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: On March thirtieth, nineteen sixty four, three days before Miss
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Bledsoe was to testify to the Warrant Commission, the FBI
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: sent agents to the home of Milton Jones in order
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: to clarify some issues raised by the bus driver. An
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: examination of the four page report reveals that Joanes's statements
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: line up with McWaters on two important points. The man
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: was indeed wearing a jacket, and number two, the man
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: sat near the front of the bus in a seat
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: immediately behind Jones. At twelve thirty six, the bus left
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: the intersection of Saint Paul and Elm, going west on
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Elm Street towards the ESBD. Its route took it through
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: town and then into the suburb of Oakcliffe via Marsalis Avenue.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Behind it was another bus also bound for Oakcliffe at
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: the Beckley Avenue bus which we talked about. Traffic was
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: fairly smooth for several blocks, but as the Marseillis bus
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: crossed Field Street, the traffic started to back up. The
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: next street was Griffin and traffic had completely stopped at
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: that point. The time was twelve forty pm. While McWaters
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: waited for the traffic to move again, he heard a
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: man beating on the front of his bus. Mcwater's the
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: bus driver to let him in. He was a medium
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: sized man, dressed in wor clothes and wore a cloth jacket.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: After paying his fair, he sat behind the teenage boy
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Milton Jones. Jones got a careful look at the man
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: got a more careful look at the man than McWaters.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: He described him as a white male, thirty to thirty
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: five years old, five feet eleven inches, a medium billed
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: about one hundred and fifty pounds. His hair was dark brown,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: and he was receding at the Temples. He wore a
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: light blue jacket and gray khaki trousers. And then they
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: get into Okay. So neither mcwatters nor Jones were actually
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: able to confirm whether Oswalt was on the bus or not.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: This leaves the official version entirely reliant on eyewitness support.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: At this point in our inquiry, we find it that
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: the evidence for his presence on the bus comes down
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: to two factors, Oswald's own statements that he was on
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: a bus and the bus transfer found in his pocket.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: The remainder of this article blah blah. I am reading
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: from part of an article from William Weston in the
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: fourth decade. I think it was like in the late nineties.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: But now we're going to get into the the interview interrogations,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: so Thomas Kelly of the Secret Service reported on Saturday morning.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Oswalt said that immediately after leaving the building where he worked,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: he went by bus to the theater where he was arrested.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: That when he got on the bus, he secured a
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: transfer and therefore transferred to other buses. James Bookout of
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: the FBI also wrote a report on Saturday morning, November
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: twenty third, following his departure from the TSBD, he lee
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: boarded a city bus to his residence and obtained transfer.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Upon departure from the bus. He stated that at this
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: time officers took his transfer out of his pocket and
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: from Captain Fritz's report. During this interview, I talked to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: Oswalt about his leaving the building, and he told me
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: he left by bus and rode to a stop near
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: home and walked to his house. At the time Oswalt's arrest,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: he had a bus transfer in his pocket.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: So the it would make sense, Joe if he got
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: dropped off at Marcellis, which was seven blocks from his
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: rooming house. And then the cab driver said he allegedly
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: dropped him off at five hundred North Beckley, which would
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: be seven blocks from his rooming house. That's kind of
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: odd too, don't you think.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, so this is what I this is
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: what I kind of think. So because of the traffic
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: around the TSBD at that point, that bus was thirty
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: five to forty five minutes late. It was supposed to
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: arrive at twelve fifty at Marsali's stop, and arrived at
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: one thirty five. Okay, if Oswalt was on that bus,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: guess what all goes out the window?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: Tip it?
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so why would they make all this effort
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: to get him back to his rooming house at one
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: o'clock and then out by you know a couple of
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: minutes after one, by Early and Roberts, and then to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: tip it at like one, ten, fifteen, depending what timeline
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: you believe the whole time, like it's blown up if
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: he's on the bus the whole time. So that makes
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: me wonder if they pushed on these people to make
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: the timeline fit a teenager, a woman with a stroke,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: and a bus driver who knows although he kind of,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: you know, stood up.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: For the teenager, and the bus driver said he was both.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: He was wearing a jacket, but Blize said he was
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: wearing that red shirt, the brown, rusty looking shirt.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are a ton of discrepancies. I actually
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: have a couple here. I'm gonna read read you right here.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: There are there are six, or I'm gonna read a few.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: There are six. Bledsoe said that the traffic began backing
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: up after the man how Murphy Street got on. Mcwater
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: said that the traffic was backing up before the man
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: got on. Bledsoe said that the man was not wearing
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: a jacket. Mcwater said that he was. Bledsoe said that
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: the man took a seat in the rear of the bus.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Nickwater said that he took a seat near the front
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: of the bus. Bledsoe said that the woman took going
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: to the train station, left before the news of the
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: shooting was heard. Mcwater said that she left after the
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: news was heard. So as they were stopped in the
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: mill of the street, Rob you know, have you have
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: you ever been caught in deep traffic where you're like
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: at a complete star up and you just put it
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: in park, I don't like put my foot on the
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: pedal anymore, and you're and you're kind of like bullshit
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: with the people next to you that are calling traffic.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Right, So the bus didn't have a radio, but the
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: allegedly the driver talked to the person who was left
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: who's listening to the radio. And so the prison just
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: got shot is probably why we're being held up right now,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: which is very plausible to me. Right, And and that's
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: one of the consistencies of that story is that they
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: heard it from a a fellow motorist that was stuck
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: in traffic with them, right.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: YEA Economa says, I also wanted had to take the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: bus taxi we're oute home to Beckley. To counter the
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 4: claims of Roger Craig, yeah, yeah, But the Roger Craig
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: story doesn't negate the fact that Oswald could have been
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: the shooter. It just means he left in a different way,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And not also exactly rob
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: as if they buy, if they buy the Roger Craig story,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: then that could put him getting back to his rooming
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: housing plenty of time because it was smooth sailing at
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: that point and on Elm Street. You know you weren't
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: backed up in too much traffic once you got through
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: that triple overpass. I mean you're smooth sailing.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly the same time twelve forty which twelve
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: forty twelve forty five, Craig said that he saw the
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: person get into the Nash rambler and this exact same
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: time that Oswalt was reported to get on the bus
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: exactly so right, both of them could not have happened
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: at once. No, I agree, agree op though, And let's see,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: so this is from the one Commission Exhibit twenty six
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: forty one. Not that anyone's keeping count here, but Jones
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: is essentially saying he can't really identify Oswald. Jones, the
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: teenager stated that he did not observe this man closely
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: since he sat behind him in the bus, but on
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: the following one day, when he caught the bus going
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: home from school, the same driver told him he thought
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: this man might have been Lee Harvey Oswald. Jones said
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: that after the driver mentioned this, and from his recollection
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: of Oswald's picture that appeared on television and the newspapers,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: he thought it was possible it could have been Oswald.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: It was possible it could have been Oswald. Far from
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: a positive identification there, Yeah, And that's what I think
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Gil was saying in his articles, Like the driver, the
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: bus driver couldn't say it was Oswalt, this kid couldn't
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: say it was Oswalt, and this woman with a stroke
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: I couldn't say it was Oswald, despite the fact that
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: she had ah H hosted him for a week right,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: rented out her apartment. But it's all very very shady and.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: Very murky.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean everything with with his whole bus adventures
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: are extremely murky, everything to mexicpicity back. Do I think
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: Oswalt was on the bus after looking into this for
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: like two days specifically, I don't know, man, I don't know.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: It's hard. I think maybe maybe like thirty percent chance, yes,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: that he was on there for a little while. But
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: you have to imagine they're planting the transfer ticket there,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: coercing all these things. I think it's probably half truth, right.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: He might have been on for a second, and maybe
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: the impatient oswalk got off really.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: Quickly because the name of the taxi driver changed from
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: like Darryl Glick to William Wally, you know, according to
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: I think it was Bill Alexander who said that name
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: Darryl Glick as being the taxi driver, and that changed
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: to William Whaley, who conveniently died in a cabreck like
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: a year after you know, all this went down, which
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: isn't just a little bit sus in itself, but yeah,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: there's there's just so much, dude that you just can't
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: rely on.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: It's all contraded, it's all conflicting, right, So it's it's
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like you gotta go with the Larry Hancock method,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: like what is consistent?
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 7: What is.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 5: Not?
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: A lot? That's what?
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: So, and and why don't you go into it really
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: quickly because we had a great conversation a couple of
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: weeks ago on Buel Frasiers Ah, you know, picking him up?
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: Did he pick him up every day? Did he not?
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: Did he take the bus if not, where are those witnesses?
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: Do we go over that already? Am I an Indian?
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah? But I just can't. I can't remember if it
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: was on a Wednesday night show or if it was
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: on a It was.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: On a Wednesday. I know it was on a Wednesday.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, again I bring up the point, and
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: you know the point is not baseless. You know. I
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: ran through the HC A testimony of Harold Norman, Junior, Jarman,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: Edward Shields, and Roy Lewis Lewis, and all of them
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 4: said that Oswald rode with Frasier all the time, every day.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 4: I even played the audio from Roy Lewis, you know,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: stating that he rode with him every day, and that
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 4: they parked right there in the back of the school
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: depository normally on Houston Street, right where it dead ended
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: before you get to the railroad tracks before it was
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 4: opened up. That's the Thruway.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Wait, did he drop him off there or did he
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: park there?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: He parked there and they used to come in he's
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: did they come in the back door together? Okay, hold on,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: let me see if let me see if I have
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: this audio handy, I may not have taken it off here.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, opto economists. I agree, he could not be seen
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: getting help from an accomplice, right, So maybe was that
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: the reason why they possibly made up this this bus
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: story and getting in a cab and that, because if
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: you're picked up from the TSBD, it's you're not alone nut,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: all right. If Roger Craig is right, that's a conspiracy.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: So they seem to have gone out of their way
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: to prove that he kind of got back there by himself.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: I agree, I'm looking hold.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: On, Sorry, Mike, I said Crozier and it's Crozier, so
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: I mispronounced to Dallas Street.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: Sorry, sir out there.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: You Hey, I'm just glad I got Marsalis right. I'm
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: not even sure I have it right?
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: All right, here it is. Let me download it real
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: quick and then i'll upload it into restream and then
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: we'll listen to it again.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: Uh, Paul, there were on that bus, the martialists bus,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: there were about five people out of the forty four
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: person capacity, so you're thinking blood. So the teenager and
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: there were two other old ladies and Oswalter or maybe
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: another old lady, but it was pretty much empty, and
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: it was mostly old ladies except for the teenager.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: That's what I read, all right, I got it, Joe right,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: here we go.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: That was my concent.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: And then he went in parts and didn't win a part. Right,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: my content, that's right. But I didn't see anything. I
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: can't say because I wasn't. He put him out in
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: the bag. He was always put it back.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: You said he wrote with him on weekend. He wrote
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: with him every day, really, Monday through Friday. Really we
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: didn't know that. And he would bring him, but he
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: would own it. He would let him out in the bag,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: don't That's what we're gonna tell you.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: Every day.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, every day they're coming out of the back door
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 4: together again. I'll play it again for the folks who
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: missed the first time.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: And then he went in part and didn't win a part.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: Right that I have my content, that's right. But I
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: didn't see anything. I can't say because I wasn't. He
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: put him out in the bag. He was always putting back.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: You said he wrote with him on weekend. He wrote
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: with him every day really, Monday through Friday. Really we
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: didn't know it. And he would bring him, but he.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: Would own it.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: He would let him out in the bag. No, that's
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: what we're going to kill you.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: Seems confident about it, bro.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And again if he was the only one saying it,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 4: it might be sus. But he's like one of five
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: people that said it, right, and they all happened to
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: be African American employees of the school book Depository. Yeah.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you went through on the members only that
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: it would only be like one or one and a
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: half mile detour, like five something minutes.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: A quarter detour mile quarter to pick him up or
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: take him home from Frazer's way back to Irving. So
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: again it's not the real possibility because again we don't
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: have any test the people that allegedly rode a bus
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: to and from work with Oswald for two months.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would have been the Beckley bus,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: the Beckley route, right, that the one that was right
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: across from his uh Beckley rooming house. That early Roberts
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: saw him standing there after he got his allegedly gun
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: in jacket, right when he's rushing to the Tippet or
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: you know, to meet Tippot, not intentionally, but towards that area.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: But Robert says she saw him just chilling at the
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: bus station, not a care in the world.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because normally people the ride buses, you know, that's
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: their deal. They don't have vehicles, especially back then. They
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: ride a bus to work, they ride a bus home
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 4: from work, like, same group of people all the time,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: you know. And occasionally when you have somebody new, you
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: have a new face that keeps popping up on the
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: bus week after week after week after week. You know,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: somebody's gonna notice.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially seeing the nudes, right, you have someone come forward?
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody would definitely have to come forward. Uh yeah,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: nobody did. And again we have five eyewitnesses who stay
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 4: different that that Phraser brought him to work every day,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: which would imply that he took him home every day.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: And I doubt, I highly doubt that he had Fraser
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: came up or dropped him off right in front of
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 4: his rooming house. It was probably a couple of blocks away,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: because he probably wouldn't want Fraser to know exactly where
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: he lived, you know what I'm saying.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: With his sister being close to uh ruth.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Oswald's pattern of being dropped off blocks away
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: from his actual rooming house, whether it be from a
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: bus or cab or Fraser. You know, it just seems
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: like something he would do. He wouldn't have. He wouldn't
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: get picked up and drops off right in front of
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: his rooming house because too many people be all over
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: in his business.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, it really depends on their relationship. I mean,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If he wasn't skin, you don't.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: Have It was the early and Roberts saying that some
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: guy in his old piece of shit car was picking
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: him up the river.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: That is very true. Yeah, you're right, So you're right.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: And I don't think she ever commented on how we
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: got to work. And we know every day of the
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: TSBD was was marked with time cards and shit like that, like, yeah,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: we really have no idea how we got to work.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: We have no idea. We do have five eyewitnesses. Well
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: you aren't to me like the documentary and we're talking.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: You know, the HSCA was what fifteen years after the assassination,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 4: and all these guys had went on different paths in
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 4: their life. None of them knew each other in the seventies,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: you know, like Harold Norman had went on to work
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: somewhere else and moved somewhere else, and Jarman and went
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: and worked and moved somewhere else. Good Givens and went
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: and moved somewhere else, Shields and went and moved and
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: lived somewhere else. And Roy Lewis had moved and lived
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 4: and worked somewhere else. But yet in the seventies and
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: for the HSCA, and they're all interviewed independently, and they
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: all say the same thing. Why would they all lie
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: Just saying yeah, I mean, the only thing that I
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: can kind of put together, put to them two together
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: is that they had to really kind of edit his
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: his route home because they needed to fit him in
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: the timeline to get to tended patent in time.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: Too, and asked them these questions. They never asked any
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: of it TSBD employees these questions. That's why they didn't
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 4: say anything then. But the AGCA thought there was something
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 4: that smelled a little fishy about the Fraser story, and
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: they were pursuing that angle, right, And because of their
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: interview with Fraser, he may have said some things. They
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: were little suss you know, like the whole you know,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: I'm standing out front of the steps that I knew
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: he hid the rifle and thought to myself, oh, my god,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be dragged into you know, which
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: would imply something totally different than the story that he's
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: always told. And you know, he tried to evade him,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: he didn't want to talk to him. He had been
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: he'd been part of that book.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 4: Peter o' two old tool Peter O'Toole did right the
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 4: assassination tapes and concluded from his PST test that Frasier
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: was lying about everything that he said. So the agency
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: thought something was really suspect about him. That's why they
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: were questioning these guys about him, like, you know, who
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: is Oswald's friend? Who did he come to work with?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: How did he get to work, how did he get home?
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: You know? Yeah? And there you have it. And I
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: got one more thing Joe before we go. Okay, and
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: this is a fun one, So everybody you'll like this.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: Buckle up, all right, Joe, say hello, Say hello to
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: Tony Tony Connell. You ready, Hi, Tony? This is Tony.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 4: Tony is a Lee Harvey Oswald look alike. Okay. Tony
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: is a hairstylist, presumably not gay, who works at Great
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 4: Clips in Southwest Austin, Texas. Yeah, he has a funny
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 4: little guy who looks a whole lot like Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Does he?
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so. You just hold on a minute,
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: let me get you this story. Okay, okay. I had
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: to ask Tony does it help to pick up chicks
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: implying that he's not gay? Oh no, I've never used
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: it that way, said Tony, who could become a stand
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 4: up comedian if you worked on it. It would be interesting. Hey,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: you got a think for presidential assassins. I've got a
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: friend who looks like John Willkes Booth. We could go
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 4: on a double date. Tony looks so much like President
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: John F. Kennedy's alleged killer that he even fooled his mother.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 4: He copied a photo as you can see here in
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: the picture of Oswald in his marine uniform and then
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: showed it to his own mother without telling her who
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: was in the picture. And she said, I've never seen
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: that picture of you in the army before. And I said,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: that's not me in the army, that's Lee Harvey Oswald
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: and the Marines. And she said, you have the same
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: goofy ass smile he does.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: That's true. They do have the same movie small And.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: Said the guy looks so much like Lee Harvey that
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: he's played Lee Harvey Oswald in some reenactment videos. He
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: can't get away from it. My nickname in the army
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 4: was Lee Harvey, or it was Opie, Tony said. One
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: of my drill sergeants loved calling me Lee Harvey out
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: of the shooting range to piss me off. He says
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 4: he's cool with it now, and one of his regular
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: haircut customers asked for Lee Harvey when he comes in
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: for a trim. Tony has some fun with this, like
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: the time he attended the fortieth anniversary of the assassination
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and three in Dallas. He says, I
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: dressed up like Lee Harvey Oswald and hung out in
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: Dealey Plaza. What I was doing was I was going
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: up to people and asking if they thought that I
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 4: did it. I thought it was the most clever thing
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 4: on earth. He says he managed to ask about twenty
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 4: people if they thought he did it before he got
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 4: taught off to property by a security guard. Apparently the
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: security guard thought he should do it someplace else. Tony's
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: looks have led him to his strong interest in the subject.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: He says he's read easily over two hundred books on
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: the Kennedy assassination. His little house in East Austin has
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: all sorts of books and magazines around with articles about
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 4: the event. So does he think that Oswald was the man?
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: Not by himself? Tony said he thinks Oswald was in
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: on it, but that his shot hit the sidewalk. He
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 4: was too much of a screw up to pull it off,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: he says. I asked Tony if he'd ever thought about
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: becoming a Lee Harvey Oswald impersonator, and he says, nope.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 4: What would you do? He asked, good question. A comedy
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 4: routine with Tony and the Jack Ruby look alike probably
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: wouldn't get hired to breaking up many chili cookoffs. Tony
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 4: plays guitar, though, so he thought about doing something musically,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 4: He says. I thought about forming a band and calling
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 4: it the Lee Hart Harvey Wallbangers. He says Tony first
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 4: noticed that he looked like Lee Harvey Oswald when a
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 4: fellow sixth grader in his hometown of Whitesboro in North
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: Texas saw photo of Oswald in a textbook and he said, hey,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 4: you look just like this motherfucker. And I said whatever,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 4: But these days, he's milking it. One of my favorite
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 4: ones is to go to half priced books and read
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 4: it jfk Assassination Literature and see if anybody notices me
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: doing it.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's great, And Trey might actually have the
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: comment of the night here. And you should get this.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: If I'm going to get this, Rob, you should. Lee Harvey,
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: you are a madman when you stole that cow and
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: your friend tried to make it with the cow. I
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: want to party with you, cowboy, two of us together,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: forget it. Do you know what that's from? I do not.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: That is from Stripes Bill Murray.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: And there was a guy that was like kind of
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: a psycho guy and was like, Lee Harvey, you are
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: a mad man. And yeah, Trey will respect that, right.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: I think I got that track.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 4: Yet, well done and well done.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's like an eighties movie, so you would
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: think that would be before my time it was, but
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: uh no, I love that movie.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 4: But he does.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: As I looked at him as you were reading that,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: it came a little closer for me. But he was
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: young there, I mean, but I mean Lee was like
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: what twenty three, twenty four? He was young?
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this kid was twenty eight at the time
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 4: of the article of the Oh wow, yeah, but could
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: you imagine the fortieth going there and seeing somebody looked
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 4: just like Lee Harvey Oswell, do you think I did it?
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: Do you think I killed the president? And then to
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: get kicked out of Daly Plaza? I mean that takes something, bro.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: It takes a lot to get kicked out of Dally
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: Plaza these days, right, you have JFK Junior QAnon, people
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: like going nuts blocking traffic, like Judy and Beverly taking old.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: Walking around.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: It was it was chaos when I was there this
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: past year. So yeah, for him to get kicked out, uh,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: that is that is kind of crazy.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: So Tony, if you are a big buff and you
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: somehow hear this show, we want to get you on
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: the show. Anybody knows Tony in Austin, Tony Connell, the
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: guy who looks like Lee Harvey Oswell, we want to
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: get his ass on the show. So put us in
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 4: touch the Lone Guman podcast at gmail dot com. And
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 4: that's a fact.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Jack, Yeah, that's another uh uh stripes quote there. Great movie,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: one of the best. Well thank you, Paul. Yeah, I
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: mean listen when it comes to we might have created
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: more questions than answers.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 8: Rob here on the show, probably banging Mike.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like we might have
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: created more questions.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 4: We definitely gave no answers about anything.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'scus like, honestly, we don't know and we're
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: not gonna make shut up.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 4: Everybody hasn't because everything is such a cluster. That's why
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 4: Mexico City is one of the biggest clusters in all this.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: To figure that out, good luck to figure out New
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: Orleans more plausible than Mexico City, but good luck to
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 4: figure out Dallas. Good luck. I mean, those are the
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 4: three big things that are just totally whacked out in
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 4: this whole thing.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy, but you know, we gave a
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: lot of facts and hopefully you guys can kind of
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: make up, you know, your own decisions here. But I
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: I really just don't know. I think he I think
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: the whole bust thing is completely in Dallas after the assassination.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: Is just doesn't make sense to me at all at all.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Nothing about that makes.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 4: Sense to me. Yeah, so thanks for going down the
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 4: rabbit hole with us. Let me also throw this out there,
• 2:20:58
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