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Patriots Unfiltered 11/14: State of the Patriots, Week in Germany Recap, Takeaways from Loss to the Colts · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is yeah Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: here in Jillette Stadium. We are back from Frankfurt, Germany. Overall,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a successful trip except for the game,
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  Speaker 1: but otherwise I think the Patriots made their mark on Frankfurt.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was tremendous the trip itself. I was
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  Speaker 5: a little curious, Matt, what was that Patriots Unfiltered? Oh
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  Speaker 5: isn't there another?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: That's the name of the show. I thought we need
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  Speaker 5: But I thought it was I thought there was some
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  Speaker 5: good time. I think that.
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  Speaker 1: Matt, it's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's
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  Speaker 1: Matt Nabooth, And yes, we have returned. The thing that
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  Speaker 1: I hate the most about the trip was we let
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  Speaker 1: the fans down, like the fans were out, and we
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  Speaker 1: didn't well the organization like we we wanted to come
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  Speaker 1: away with a win. So I know, it's not like
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  Speaker 1: we're not going anywhere this year. We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, but at least those fans from Germany and
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  Speaker 1: around would have said, yeah, I came to the game
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  Speaker 1: and I saw my team win, and we couldn't pull
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  Speaker 1: it off the win, and that's my biggest regret of
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  Speaker 1: the whole week. Otherwise, I think it was a successful trip,
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  Speaker 1: but just not being able to pull that win off
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  Speaker 1: for those fans that were there. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you guys saw it. You see the fan
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  Speaker 1: march on Sunday morning. That was awesome with the marching
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  Speaker 1: band and like a thousand people.
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  Speaker 8: I mean it was great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was awesome, and so I I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I want to thank all the fans of
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  Speaker 1: Germany and the surrounding area and sorry we couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: you the win.
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  Speaker 9: That was it's not our fault, Fred, Okay.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't our fault, but I totally agree.
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  Speaker 10: My favorite part was was that second that and Friday
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  Speaker 10: night at Gibson's with all the Patriots on Filter fans
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  Speaker 10: that came up to us and waited in line to
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  Speaker 10: tell us how much they enjoyed the show.
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  Speaker 9: And there was a line.
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  Speaker 5: There was a line, and that was so cool. I
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  Speaker 5: have to admit that was really cool.
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  Speaker 10: You know, people like, do you mind if I take
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  Speaker 10: a self I'm like, of course, this is the highlight
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  Speaker 10: of my trip. So that for me made it all
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  Speaker 10: meeting all you guys out there, So thank you for
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  Speaker 10: everyone that came out. And I was disappointing couldn't get win,
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  Speaker 10: couln't get a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Even that was I think more people recognize me in
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  Speaker 1: Germany than here.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, like David Hasselhoff.
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  Speaker 7: Not me, but know I could see that you're bigger
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  Speaker 7: in the UK, Paul. It was.
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  Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun. And that post the
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  Speaker 5: post show portion at Gibson's was that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 5: Were like the Beatles and I try to tell Mike
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  Speaker 5: and Evan that it was going to be and that
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  Speaker 5: exceeded even my expectations. But like I, I try to
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  Speaker 5: tell them that people are going to come up to
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  Speaker 5: you randomly and you just you know, want to talk
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  Speaker 5: and and that's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I was walking out of the stadium to get to
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  Speaker 9: the buses after the game and people were still stopping me. Like,
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  Speaker 9: as I was walking across the I.
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  Speaker 7: Love you so much, mad We listened to you all
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  Speaker 7: the time.
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  Speaker 9: They're like, can you sign this? I was like, you
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  Speaker 9: want me to sign it? Like why why do you
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  Speaker 9: want me to sign it?
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to devalue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was That was great and I lost
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  Speaker 1: Oh about Gibson in that show. We had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people say, what happened to the show? It didn't
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  Speaker 1: you know, it didn't upload, And that was the plan
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  Speaker 1: going in. We knew there was going to be music
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  Speaker 1: playing in the background, and because of licensing issues, if
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, not from our licensed library, we can't
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  Speaker 1: put it on demand. So you know, we knew going
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  Speaker 1: in that we weren't going to post that show on demand.
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  Speaker 1: But as it turns out, you probably couldn't discern the
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  Speaker 1: music anyway.
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  Speaker 10: That face was like that's not what everybody upstairs told
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  Speaker 10: me today. They said that that show sounded like and
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  Speaker 10: you know, it's it's too bad people missed it because
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  Speaker 10: it was a fast and loose show. Had we had
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  Speaker 10: some silly commentary that that's now lost forever.
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  Speaker 7: So sorry, guys, We'll tell what we.
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  Speaker 5: Do just so you know, Mike was the king of
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  Speaker 5: the fast and loose commentary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you have to you have to listen live.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I try to warn people when I put the tweet out,
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  Speaker 10: like listen now or lose it forever.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so a top gun taking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, but great experience for all of us.
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  Speaker 1: The game itself, the fans singing, you know, they no
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  Speaker 1: matter what was going on, they were going to have
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  Speaker 1: a good time. You know, it didn't really I know,
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  Speaker 1: what at it to the pagers fans what happened on
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  Speaker 1: the field, But they were there and they were going
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  Speaker 1: to have a good time regardless, and they really did.
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  Speaker 11: Yea.
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  Speaker 10: Even the media, like the international media came in and
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  Speaker 10: asked questions like the press conference was pretty fun, like
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  Speaker 10: it was loose. It was you know, Bill was good mood.
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  Speaker 10: The players were all in good moods. Some fun questions,
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  Speaker 10: you know, from around the world and people getting a
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  Speaker 10: chance to, you know, ask the coaches and the players
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  Speaker 10: some questions.
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  Speaker 5: For the first time, seven lost his job.
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  Speaker 1: Evan was a children lover. Yeah, quarterback Mack called out
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  Speaker 1: a guy from the UK as an offensive coach, and
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  Speaker 1: right in front of him was the true offensive coach.
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  Speaker 5: Evan, you should have gone to throw your hands up
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  Speaker 5: and discuss that.
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  Speaker 9: Just got up and probably I thought about it, but
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  Speaker 9: you know, I stayed professional. Mac.
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  Speaker 1: How could you storm out?
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  Speaker 5: After all we've been through.
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  Speaker 10: It's funnier if he's like weaving his way through all
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  Speaker 10: those chairs and like making a whole dramatic exit.
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  Speaker 7: That takes way too Like what's.
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  Speaker 5: He doing, I'm trying to storm out?
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  Speaker 7: Excuse me, excuse me, I'm very upset. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, But you know, we have to talk about the game. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was ridiculous, And to me it was weird because
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  Speaker 1: last night the Bills lost to the Broncos and this
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  Speaker 1: morning they announced they fired their offensive coordinator. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: the hell are we doing? I mean, like not to
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  Speaker 1: say anything but Bill o'bright, but like we're worse than that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and the Bills are like we can't stomach
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  Speaker 1: this anymore. And they made it change right away. Some's
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  Speaker 1: got to give. I mean two field goals, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you know we're not playing the eighty five Bears here.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, And I mean it kind of started out like positive,
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  Speaker 10: Like that first drive. It was like they're kind of
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  Speaker 10: stringing some stuff together. It was one of their you know,
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  Speaker 10: better drives. But yeah, it's just it didn't it didn't
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  Speaker 10: really matter.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, I can't believe that they lost to that team.
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  Speaker 10: He had so many chances to do it, and usually
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  Speaker 10: that's a Patriots game that they win almost every time,
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  Speaker 10: even in these dark days.
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  Speaker 5: Like win on the margins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they but down to the nine at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the game or what nine or thirteen whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was. But I'm thinking, okay, they're gonna punch this in.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna do it there, and then that throw and
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  Speaker 1: I you know, it's an outdoor press box in Frankfurt,
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  Speaker 1: and I just yelled out, oh Mac, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself.
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  Speaker 5: You really, Yeah, Well, the only one that heard it
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  Speaker 5: on everybody, like I think everybody.
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  Speaker 9: I think everyone in our road did. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 9: I mean it was never do that open air press
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  Speaker 9: boxes Fred is a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a little different because you're blending with
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  Speaker 1: everybody else.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it just felt like.
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  Speaker 9: That's why I love him, because it's of him.
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  Speaker 10: It just felt like that pick was the culmination of
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  Speaker 10: so many things, like season long, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 10: Max's career long, we've seen him going down this path
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  Speaker 10: of throwing off his back foot. He hasn't looked comfortable
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  Speaker 10: in the pocket, and you know, the offensive line has
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  Speaker 10: given him good reason not to. But I think the
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  Speaker 10: thing that just stood out with me with Mac is
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  Speaker 10: just like he has no escapability.
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  Speaker 7: He has no ability to extend plays.
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  Speaker 10: It's if pressure is there, he's turtling on it, and
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  Speaker 10: you know, he just and it slowly devolved to the
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  Speaker 10: point where that was probably his, you know, his worst
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  Speaker 10: interception of the year.
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  Speaker 1: And and it was a perfect example or comparison because
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  Speaker 1: they're going up against Gardner Minshew, who he's not that
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  Speaker 1: good at quarterback, yet he was doing what we need
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  Speaker 1: Mac to do, which was extending plays, throwing on the run,
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  Speaker 1: finding guys.
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  Speaker 5: I think those two guys had a competition to see
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  Speaker 5: who could be worse.
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  Speaker 1: But if Mac had made as many plays on the run,
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  Speaker 1: extending plays when you know, flushed out of the pocket
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  Speaker 1: that Minshew did, we would have won that game.
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  Speaker 5: In all serious, just for a split second. I think
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  Speaker 5: they both had the same problem. They both continued to
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  Speaker 5: try to get to move around and make plays off
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  Speaker 5: platform that didn't need to be happening.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it could be true. But he was
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  Speaker 1: hitting Pittman or.
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  Speaker 5: Who he missed way more than he made is the point.
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  Speaker 5: And if he just sat there, and I'm talking about
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  Speaker 5: Minshew now, just sat there and threw the ball, I
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  Speaker 5: think there were plays to be made. I think he
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  Speaker 5: had open guys. Well that's fine, but he also was
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  Speaker 5: victimized by some drops.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd rather miss the play than get sacked.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, Mac and I'd be curious to see. I know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we're a couple of days. You move now.
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  Speaker 5: So Evan's you know, all through his film study. Listen,
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  Speaker 5: the pass protection wasn't great. I'm not trying to tell
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  Speaker 5: you that this offensive line is is a great offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: I just didn't think there was that much immediate pressure
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  Speaker 5: that he constantly and I think even down to the
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  Speaker 5: last interception, which was horrific, it was such a combination
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  Speaker 5: of bad everything. Like, I think he felt pressure that
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  Speaker 5: wasn't there. He as Evan has been talking about for
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  Speaker 5: months now, fading away, throwing off his back foot while
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  Speaker 5: falling back, badly under throwing the ball because he doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have the skill set to get it where it wants
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  Speaker 5: to go. And I just think across the board, bad throw,
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  Speaker 5: bad bad decision, bad everything. I mean, he threw it
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  Speaker 5: to the right guy. It was wide open, but.
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  Speaker 1: He was open. He needed to get it.
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  Speaker 5: First to throw it. I didn't think like the five
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  Speaker 5: sacks in the first half, I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 5: a train wreck. Now that certainly indicates it's a train wreck.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not telling you that they were great. There
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  Speaker 5: was some pressure, and I just thought a good quarterback
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  Speaker 5: would have dealt with that pressure a lot better than
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  Speaker 5: he did. Yeah, I'm not telling you it was all
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  Speaker 5: on Mac. The sack, I will say he might have
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  Speaker 5: all been the fault of the protection. No, but I
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  Speaker 5: just thought a good quarterback handle I will give.
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  Speaker 1: Mac credit for one thing. I thought in his press
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  Speaker 1: conference he had the most human, honest answer I've ever
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  Speaker 1: heard him give. And I you know, when they asked him,
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  Speaker 1: do you think Belichick still has faith in you, and
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  Speaker 1: he says I need to play better. And the way
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  Speaker 1: I played, I don't know that was as honest as
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  Speaker 1: you could be and as human as you could be
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  Speaker 1: in an answer.
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  Speaker 7: Kind of defeated.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I'll just say my piece real quick
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  Speaker 10: before Evan jumps in. But I mean I felt, like,
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  Speaker 10: you know, some of the pressures. I mean I went
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  Speaker 10: through watch all those sacks. It's just, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 10: there is pressure there. But like I said, he just
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  Speaker 10: has no ability to avoid the rush. So if there
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  Speaker 10: is pressure, he's going down. There's no ability to get away,
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  Speaker 10: to make a subtle side step and get around a
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  Speaker 10: guy and then deliver it.
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  Speaker 7: It's just if there's pressure, he's done.
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  Speaker 1: Period.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead, Evan.
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  Speaker 9: It's over time of death. Fourth quarter, sixteen four minutes
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  Speaker 9: and sixteen seconds. I'm out. I'm all the way.
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  Speaker 1: Out, like like four weeks now.
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  Speaker 9: No, because I gave him as long as a leash
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  Speaker 9: as maybe anybody, right, Like, I kept on trying to
• 11:16
  Speaker 9: give him a chance and trying to give him a chance.
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  Speaker 9: I said this to you, do so upstairs. This is
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  Speaker 9: one of those games against the backup quarterback in Gardner
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  Speaker 9: minshew who stinks like he's awful that if you're the guy,
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  Speaker 9: if you're a franchise quarterback, I don't care. If you're
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  Speaker 9: under duress, I don't care if you have nobody to
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  Speaker 9: throw to. You find a way to score eleven points
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  Speaker 9: to win the freaking game, right like you just you
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  Speaker 9: have to be able to find a way to win
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  Speaker 9: a game like that. And for all the reasons that
• 11:44
  Speaker 9: you guys said, you know, you know, in terms of
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  Speaker 9: the actual game itself, I think you guys summed it
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  Speaker 9: up well, and you have the back foot stuff. Just
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  Speaker 9: a deer in the headlights in the pocket just has
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  Speaker 9: absolutely no mobility, no ability, you know, even subtle mobility,
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  Speaker 9: Like it doesn't even have to be these you know,
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  Speaker 9: big like Josh Allen type of like run around plays.
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  Speaker 9: It's just just sides take a step to your left
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  Speaker 9: or right and let the guy drive by you right
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  Speaker 9: like just you know, kind of make some subtle movements
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  Speaker 9: and things like that. It just none of it. He
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  Speaker 9: is a absolute deer in the headlights in the pocket.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad to hear you say that, because that's how
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  Speaker 5: Mike and I sort of talked about in the post
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  Speaker 5: game and sometimes everybody goes back and they look like
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  Speaker 5: he had no chance, He had no chance. I didn't
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  Speaker 5: see it that way. I didn't think the protection was good.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not telling you what was good, but
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  Speaker 5: I just thought there were opportunities to like, Okay, you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna get hit when you throw this one. Stand in
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  Speaker 5: you see that guy's coming, make the throw, you know,
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  Speaker 5: And people are like, because even now I still see
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: these like these still shots on Twitter, which that's the
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: stills really drive me crazy. No one's even looking back
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  Speaker 5: for a pass, like you have to throw the ball
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  Speaker 5: in anticipation.
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  Speaker 7: I hate that so much.
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  Speaker 5: The no one's even looking for the ball. I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: what what are you doing? You realize that this is
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: the NFL.
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  Speaker 10: It's not everybody go out in the route, turn around right,
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  Speaker 10: No to you, No to you.
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  Speaker 7: Oh hey, you're still like you throw the ball.
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  Speaker 5: When he's still running the route, Like, but you know
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  Speaker 5: we could go through him.
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  Speaker 10: I mean Buckner on one, I think, I mean you
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  Speaker 10: wrote about with just I mean taking cold strange and
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  Speaker 10: just like.
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  Speaker 7: Little guard, you're trying to block me goodbye, you.
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  Speaker 10: Know, and then you had so get get beat really cleanly, right,
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  Speaker 10: across his face. Vermandre just completely whiffed on trying to
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  Speaker 10: pick up a blitzer. So, you know, it wasn't I
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  Speaker 10: mean I read Greg too, and Greg was just like
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  Speaker 10: it was the pressure.
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  Speaker 7: You know, he kind of was.
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  Speaker 5: Right, and I'm like, enough, yeah, I'm out changed. The
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  Speaker 5: way they do e clips, I can't read him.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 7: It was in the It was in the first paragraph.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that Greg sticks to that, you know mantra, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: means that Matt's one of his sources. Really well, it
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  Speaker 1: has to be.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's an offensive line guy too when he
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: loves the defensive.
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  Speaker 7: I just I mean, I don't think he's necessarily.
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  Speaker 10: Wrong because the pressure was there, but I just think
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  Speaker 10: that there were opportunities for a savvy quarterback to, like
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  Speaker 10: Evan said, take a step up, take a step to.
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  Speaker 5: The left, you know, to allow the you know how like.
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  Speaker 10: God, I hate doing the Brady comparisons, but you know,
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  Speaker 10: a good quarterback they know how to step up, they
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  Speaker 10: know where the pressures.
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  Speaker 7: They have an innate sense of it. He has no
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  Speaker 7: innate sense of it. And it's Bray didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Run around, but it was, like you said, the subtle
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  Speaker 1: movement left right forward.
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, like twenty years into his career
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: before he started really watching the rush. Because even Brady
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: at the end started sort of saying, you know, making
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: some business choices.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he did it out of frustration. Yeah,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: some of it was performative, you know, throwing the ball
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: on the ground and all that.
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not saying I just think at some point
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: you get tired of taking.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: It, That's what i mean. But like he was just upset.
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: And he performative. I'm no longer trying to win. I'm
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: just gonna throw the ball into the ground.
• 14:45
  Speaker 9: There's absolutely no question that the pressure this the pressure
• 14:50
  Speaker 9: in this game was up there with Dallas and New Orleans.
• 14:53
  Speaker 9: Like it was that bad. I mean, he was under
• 14:56
  Speaker 9: siege and you met you brought up Cole Strange, who
• 15:00
  Speaker 9: I had him for six pressures in this game, just
• 15:02
  Speaker 9: absolutely horrible. And he him and it's him and so
• 15:07
  Speaker 9: run blocked pretty well. Like I'll give him that. Those
• 15:11
  Speaker 9: two guys and on when who really were game changers
• 15:13
  Speaker 9: in the run game in the second half. But in
• 15:16
  Speaker 9: past this is a passing leak. So if you look
• 15:20
  Speaker 9: at a guy like So's been okay in pass protection
• 15:22
  Speaker 9: until this point. This is probably other than the Eagle game,
• 15:25
  Speaker 9: which was his first game ever. This is probably his
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: worst game in pass pro. But it was strange. If
• 15:31
  Speaker 9: you can't pass protect in the NFL in twenty twenty three,
• 15:34
  Speaker 9: then I can't have You're you're no good to me,
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: like I don't. I don't care how good of a
• 15:38
  Speaker 9: run blocker you are. If you can't keep a guy
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: from harassing your quarterback for four straight quarters, then it's
• 15:45
  Speaker 9: then it's no good. But there were three plays in
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: this game and I broke him down and after further review, uh,
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: you know, one of them was the one that O'Brien
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: shooed him out on the sideline where he's got three
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: open receivers, like you just you have to make a throw.
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: I don't care which throw you decide to make, but
• 16:01
  Speaker 9: the ball's got to come out, and it certainly can't
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: come out. And there's like underhand shot put thing that
• 16:06
  Speaker 9: he did over to Remondra Stevenson that probably should have
• 16:09
  Speaker 9: been a pick six, but Remandre luckily got a hand
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: on it to knock the ball down before the corner
• 16:14
  Speaker 9: got to it. The past to Hunter Henry in the
• 16:16
  Speaker 9: back of the end zone, just a duck, like an
• 16:19
  Speaker 9: absolute quail. And then the interception, Oh yeah, thank you
• 16:24
  Speaker 9: put that in my head. Just ron Club, Like, first
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: of all, drive the ball in there, right, what are
• 16:31
  Speaker 9: you floating it up there for? Drive the ball in there?
• 16:35
  Speaker 9: Totally inaccurate. Through it so early that by the time
• 16:38
  Speaker 9: Hunter Henry gets his head around to look for the ball,
• 16:40
  Speaker 9: it's already over his head. And so he's like looking around, like, well,
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: where the heck is the ball. He knew he was
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: it was coming to him, but he didn't know where
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: the football was. And then the interception is the worst
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: throw I've ever seen a quarterback make. I think it's
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: up there. I mean it's almost like it was up there.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Throw it like, I don't understand how it doesn't reach
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the receiver, not even close. Unless he thought that Colt
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: was a patriot, like it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 10: It didn't even have a ship, like he thought magic
• 17:07
  Speaker 10: was going to get it there somehow, because he's just.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Just like, man, you had to fire it because you
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: had to get over a layer, you know, where there
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: were defenders in front. But you've got the tallest guy
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: in that area. There's a place to put that ball
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: where Gasiki can catch it and only he can and like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he was thinking.
• 17:24
  Speaker 9: I honestly say this, and I don't mean to be
• 17:27
  Speaker 9: like rude. I think Paul can make that throw like that,
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: That Dad throw is as wide open. I don't care
• 17:34
  Speaker 9: what level of football you're playing. That is as wide
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: open as the receiver gets. I think I agree, because yeah,
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: you could probably make it catching.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: That's the kind of throw that you don't need, Like
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: the arm strength isn't No, you just lob it over
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: the guy and over the top and just allow you
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: you know, it's an easy it's an easy throw and catch.
• 17:53
  Speaker 12: That.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I wanted to go back to the play that he
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: got wrapped up on and try to underhand shovel it
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: to to Stevenson because I'm glad Evan brought up the
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: fact that there were three people open on that play
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: because a lot of people said, like, if he had
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: just thrown at the Stevenson right away, he's wide open
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: up there. Yeah, he was like, he's out in the flat,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: he's got an easy first down. But that's not obviously
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: that's not where his head took him. Yeah, Like whatever
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: the progression was, it wasn't to start there that's a checkdown.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: But he had other options and somehow still allowed the press,
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: and that was one of the plays. Yeah, there was pressure.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Guys flashed, but to the point where you couldn't find
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: any receiver that looked like like it looked like he
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: had options on that play.
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: He had multiple He had Hunter over the middle. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: think he probably could have made the throw. He's waiting
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: for the linebacker to declare. You know, he's holding the ball.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: Pop Douglas is running like a little shallow cross and
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: that linebacker's either going to stay back and he's just
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: gonna dump into Pop Douglas for the first down, or
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: if that linebacker comes up and jumps Pop Douglas and
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: he can throw the pass to Hunter Henry between the
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: two safeties. So he's holding the ball waiting for that
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: to develop, which I understand his process from that standpoint,
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: but he just froze like he just froze on the
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: read and Juju Smith Schuster is open for a touchdown
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: like all by himself on the right sideline, and then
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: Remandra is open in the flat just for the little checkdown.
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: Bill O'Brien, you know, we we haven't gotten to talk
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: to him yet. This week. Sometimes during the bye week,
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: we don't.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: You may not want to talk on the sideline.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I love that, and not because I'm Mac. I just
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: think that's Billy Oh. That's how he coaches. Yeah, I
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: don't know. I don't like to guess at to what
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: he was reacting to, So I guess it's what you're
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: talking about, Like, let's assume that's what he was yelling about.
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: Totally warranted. I mean, it's just it's there, like it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: it's it's there in multiple places, like you just have
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: to make a throw in that situation. You can't just stay.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: I just thought, like the visual Fred, I don't know
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: if you did you actually catch the visual on.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: No, we were actually it's the rare time where we
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: were sitting behind the Patriots bench, so we didn't have
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a good look of what's going usually.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Working, you didn't see the market. Okay, so Billy O
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: and Mac are on the bench and Billy Oh's got
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: the surface. You know, he's like showing him and it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: really demonstrative. Anybody with a set of eyes knew what
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: was going on. Billy Oh. Yeah, Okay, Bill is right
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: in front. Bill saw that, and it's just kind of
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: like looking through the polar a.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Nothing's happening, you know, nothing to see.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Here, but you know we can hear it right and
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: get you know, not surprisingly you know too, you know
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: two series later they made the move. Now, I I
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: don't know how you guys feel about the timing of
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the move. I'm with Evan one thousand percent. The move
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: had to make, had to be made. I just think
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: that he went they waited too long, like once you
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: get you know, a minute fifty two on your own
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: fourteen yard line with no timeouts. Yeah, hey hey kid,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: call win me again.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I I hear that too late then. But
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you know, people on our row were saying, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they got to put in Zappie, and I was thinking, like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it's not going to get any better with Zappi.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's probably what we're gonna be talking about
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: the rest of the season too. I gotta be honest
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: with you. He made two throws that I didn't see
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: from Mac all day, and then he made another. Listen,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: you gotta try to try. You're running a play. Was
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: dumb play, dumb play by Zappi to try like it
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: wasn't there. It didn't work. You try to fake spike. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: and what did I say? What did you do? Defensive
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: team meeting? You can't do that? Throw it away and live.
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: To fight, and you have to. You have to. After
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: that interception, you got to bench him. Like I tweeted
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: at the time, I was like, that is a bench
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: able turnover, like you you just can't. You can't the
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: rest surprise though, uh I was, I'm not because that
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: that to me, that interception and the body language that
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: Mac had on the field and then walking off the field,
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: to me, that was curtains on his Patriots career, like
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: like it's over. But I just I don't think he
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: plays another snapfell It certainly.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Will be if if Belichick stays like he's I don't
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: think he'll ever be Belichick. Yeah, I'm gonna do. I'll
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: do anism. He might start another game this year, He
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: might be the Patriots starting quarterback in the game. He
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: will never again be the Patriots starter.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: If I hear you, you know, and hopefully you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the obituary on Mac will be written. You know at
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: some point the season no longer quarter from from the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: first season. In my opinion, they mishandled him right from
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the get go and I said it in year one.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I said, they're managing him too much. They're not letting
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: him make mistakes. You got to let this guy make
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: his mistakes, you know, and understand his limits and how
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to do things. And I think they managed him too
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: much that first season, and he got a false sense
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of security, you know, a false sense of security. And
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: then take and then by in year two, we all
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: know the disaster that was. But I think they mismanaged
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: him from year one. I go back, He's not Peyton Manning,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: but I go back to Peyton Manning. His first year.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He had way more interceptions than he had touchdowns. He
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: looked terrible, but people knew he's gonna be fine. Just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: let him. And he learned that first season how to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: be an NFL quarterback. Mac didn't learn in his first
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: season how to be an NFL quarterback. He was managed
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: too closely.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: Well, do you think, though, he would have had the
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: same success if he wasn't managed like that in twenty twenty.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: All that other stuff is valid, the lack of help,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the lack of offensive line, you know, the Matt Patricia,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: all that valid.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Mike is saying, do you think he would have been
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: any good if they didn't, I think, but at least
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I think they coped something out of him.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: But look how many people fans included were duped after
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that first season. How many times do we get the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: email of the Colt Well, we made the playoffs, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback down.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I know we know how to break that down.
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: I just I mean, I the feeling I have is
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: that I know they didn't do him a lot of
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: favors and they made it hard on him, But I
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: think we're ending up. We're always going to end up
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: at the same place that we're at right now that
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: he is maybe the guy that he's not. He doesn't
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: have the toughness and the you know, the ability under.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Pressure to do those things. I'm not saying you wrong, no,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: but I think it's just an interesting take. It's a
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: little different.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I just think from from that first season he was mishandled.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: You know, people people look at the second season, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the first And I said it during
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the season, so this is in hindsight, like how they
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: weren't even allowing him to throw into the end zone
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: either that or he wasn't doing it on his own,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and that should have been a red flag right there.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: But based on what we've seen since, maybe they shouldn't
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: have been allowing him to throw the ball into the
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: end zone. But I think that's Mike's point, I know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But play calling and everything, I think they he was
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: highly managed to not make mistakes in his first year,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and he didn't.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: I mean, I mean, you know, for the most part,
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: we can talk about down the end of that season.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, I I mean, I see what you're saying.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: I just I just wonder if we would even have
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: gotten past the first season if they hadn't had tight
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: reins on him, and it would have been like, oh
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: my god, Mac Jones. And you know, if he had
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: ten touchdowns and sixteen interceptions, you.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: Know, would would what would where we be?
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Because I think he gets to that offseason people would
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: be looking for the quarterback.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He I think he ended that first season thinking he
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: knew what it was like to be an NFL quarterback
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and he didn't be it. To be the guy, you
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: have to take chances, you have to put the team
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: on your shoulders and get that eleventh points however you
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: do it. However you do it because the balls in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: your hand on every play, you know whether it's calling
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: out the plays of the line and changing them because
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: what you see, you've got to figure out how to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: score eleven points in that game. It's not like they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: were playing a great defense.
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: Well, and my point is too, it's like I would
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: have had his back today if he had to win
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: a shootout on Sunday under those conditions, if he had
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: to score twenty seven points to beat the Colts on
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: Sunday with that protection and the receiver he's got Juju
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: Smith Schuster is clearly just washed, and he's got two
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: rookie six round picks playing wide receiver for him. And
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: if that was the case, with all that conditions, I
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: would have said, I mean, what do you expect him
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: to He's not going to score a lot of points
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: with this type of environment. But he needed eleven points
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: like they needed one touchdown dry for him. And he
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: had four trips into the red zone, right and they
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: went zero for four.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: For four in the red zone. That's tough.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it is what it is. We're at the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: buy now. The Patriots are two and eight. I mean,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: nine and eight is still in the conversation.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Kid.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I was going to text you that, but I knew,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: like coming back from.
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: Now, we were already here and we were just living
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: living our best lives.
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: Well, it's funny because you know a lot of people
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: are tweeting last night after the Bills lost that the
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: AFC is is really it's like the Titans in the
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: Patriots are the only two teams that aren't really in
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: it in the AFC.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Everybody else is in it. I saw someone tweeted it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: turned into a blood bath, and it's true. I forget
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: who tweeted that, but that's true. Like the conferences is
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: really really deep. And it's funny because when we had
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: the whole DeAndre Hopkins you know debate, there was a
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: lot of talk like he went to Tennessee. Do you
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: go to Tennessee for like? And I was like, I
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: don't know. I think they're kind of the same as up.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Well they are. Yeah, they're the only two teams, as
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Evan said, that are really.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And right now because the Broncos loss is the true
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the Patriots have the third pick.
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so that was kind of where I was getting. Yeah, no,
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: they're they're at three and as much as you can
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: look at it and say wow, if they just were
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: able to win a couple of these games that they
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: should have won, they'd be in it. I'm kind of
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: glad they're not, because like what to what to what extent,
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: Like at this point, the only thing that matters is
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: Drake may or Caleb Williams. That's it. Like, it's the
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: only thing that matters. When they play the Giants after
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: things given, they should lose because that's going to be
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: a really important game when it comes to seating. Like
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: if you in terms of the tank, like if you
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: beat the Chiefs and have a really good field goal,
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: feel good game at the end of the year, I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: not going to lose much sleepover because that's a fun win.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: That's a cool win. It's like right, like the Buffalo game.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: But these games against the Giants and stuff like that,
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: like start Maleie Cunningham, I don't care, Like Tank.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: What's gonna happen if last game it's the Jets and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: it's Aaron Rodgers, Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: Maybe, and maybe they need to get into the playoffs.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: I just think that the Jets, I don't. I don't
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: think we're going to see Aaron Rodgers play because I
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: don't think they're going to be in it. And that's
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: gonna take that. I've been thinking about that, and that's
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: gonna make that win because I think, you know what's
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: funny is Zach Wilson's Uh. I don't know if you
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: guys have watched any of the games, like they played
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: on Sunday night the previous week, they played on Monday night,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: the Sunday night game. I don't think he played terrible.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: You know, he threw a terrible pick that costs him
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: the game. You know, Other than that, I guess I
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: get right right. But unlike Mac, who I think played
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: terrible for four quarters, and I know that other people
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: think that he didn't like I think he made zero
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: plays in the game, and then he topped it off
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: with what should have been back to back picks in
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: the red zone. I think Zach Wilson like they got
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: I mean through for like two hundred and fifty yards.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: They were kind of moving the ball. They were similarly
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: all for the O for life in the red zone.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: They were getting touchdowns called back, two of them called back,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: and I just think they they weren't that far away.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: But I just I think now that these are the
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: games they were spoke they had to win, like they
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: had they had to.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Beat those are running out quick.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I mean they had beat you know, I meant the Jets.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: They had a beat of Raiders. I think they're gonna
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: they're gonna be playing Miami. I think, you know, Buffalo
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: at some point is gonna have to rebound. I think
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: they're gonna be I think Buffalo is gonna miss the playoffs.
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: What is Buffalo's problem?
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Is it really the offensive coordinator over five?
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they're just a is really really vanilla. It's like
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: almost like the Patriots offense last year, but like they
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: just have Josh Allen playing quarterbacks. So every once in
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: a while, Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs just are Josh
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: Allen and Stefan Diggs. But if that's not there, then
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: it's turnovers. It's inefficial an offense.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: It's all table back next year for the Giants, for
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: the Bills, Bills.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: For the Bills, I would know I take him back
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: as they had all right, but yeah, they they had
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: in addition that had four turnovers, plus they turned it
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: over on downs in their own territory, so that's five
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: turnovers and they were winning. Yeah, and if they didn't.
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: Have twelve guys on the field on the last back
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: game on that game, that was so funny. I'm sorry,
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: Like I know we're not like glasshouses right now, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: that was absolutely.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: And I was I was so I was so happy,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Like I know we're not supposed to like route blah
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: blah blah whatever. I was so happy because Buffalo so
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: badly did not deserve to win that game, and just
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: because of what Evan said at some point, like Josh
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Allen just made four or five plays, James Cook, despite
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: fumbling three times, made did.
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: He fumbled and then bounced on the ground and he
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: picked it up running.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I found, Yeah, he picked it up. He got like
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: twenty yards. A guy stripped him. It took a bounce, bump,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: hit him in stride and I think he accelerated, yes,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: after he recovered, like he drippled. I've never seen anything like.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: It was an amazing game to watch. Not particularly well played.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Do you guys think in terms of well played, there's
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: something about the europe Games, the European games.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Like they were a little less played.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: They ever seemed to be crisp.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: I don't think I could play a crisp anything.
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: After like feeling what it was like to get over
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: there and just to get re established with sleeping and
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: like hard.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You know, the game itself wasn't crisp, but when the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Patriots played in London, I think they were crisp.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: I think they thought it was terrible football.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: They destroyed the Rams.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Don't really remember the Rams.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Were terrible maybe just I mean, but I don't.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: I don't even think that. Like the first touchdown of
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: that game, just as a point of comparison, was a
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: bomb by the Rams for a touchdown. That kind of
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: stuff never happened to the Patriots. Yeah, not then, let
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: me reiterate, that was like twenty twelve. I don't know
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: that stuff didn't always happen to the Patriots.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they were there. They always seem a little
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: out of sorts, you know.
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: I mean I was a little out of sorts.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Like the Chiefs and Dolphins are two really good teams,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: and I don't think they played great football. Now, it
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: was a close game twenty one to fourteen, but I
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: don't think it was a really well played game if
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: you watched it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: If you especially if you're you're trying to market the
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: product to these people and they're just so happy, that's yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: And that was you know, I wrote something on Saturday
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: night before the game, like if they win this game.
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: That was kind of my biggest takeaway of being there
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: was sometimes it's okay to just be a fan and
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: like here, I feel like we're a we're in it,
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: like we're really in it, but be like the doom
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: and gloom has just sunk into this region so much
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: because of the state of the team. Those people were
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: just happy to be there, and that's there's something to
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: be said for that that it's sports. It's not this big,
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: you know, life or death type of thing, and sometimes
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: it's okay to just be excited to watch your team
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: play and then the game happened.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: You know. Somebody was saying, though, you know, we look
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: at it as you know, ten six, but for soccer fans,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that's two scores for each team, which is like a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: lot of scoring in a game. Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I was also looking at it as uh, let's say
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: nine punts they liked when the ball gets kicked.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there you go, give them what they want.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Miss miss field goal by the rookie. Yeah, the page.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Close to well, actually, if they had had the things extended,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: don't get me started.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: We thought you thought that was a field goal.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Well some did, really they did one one.
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: Did one particular coach did on the sideline, and can
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: I just like quickly on the special teams? Why are
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: either of those two guys still here? Okay, like this
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: is unbelievably ridiculous. They spend so much time, They spend
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: so much time that they got penalized for how much
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: time they spend on special teams. Literally, they they literally
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: got OTAs.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Swift going back to the O t as when they
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: had because.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: They spend too much time on special teams. They have
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: three dedicated special teams coaches, two who are coordinators are
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: former coordinators on special teams. They have they drafted two
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: specialists in the same draft. Nobody's done that in like
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: thirty years. And on top of that, they have they
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: have all have you does Chris Board play? I haven't
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: heard Chris Board's name a single time. O the remember
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: his name was gonna got called for that penalty. He
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: got called for a penalty. They have five players I
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: counted five players if you include Time Montgomery, who I
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: do because he played one offensive seal teams only that
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: are special teams only players. And they have the worst
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: special teams in the NFL, Like, if that doesn't tell
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: you something about where this team is at right now,
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: I don't know. The special teams were abhorrent, Like they
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: were horrible. They missed two field goals, they allowed a
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: forty one yard kickoff return, they tried to block punt
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: and I talked to some of the guys after the
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: game and they were just like, yeah, like we thought
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: they were gonna do one thing. They just kind of
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: checked the line of scrimmage to another blocking scheme and
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: they picked it up. And it's like that, like that's
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: what you got that that's the best you can do
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: is you don't have a returner deep you think you
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: have this wrinkle. They make one simple check at the
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: line of scrimmage and it's like nothing ever happened, What happened?
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: How does it get happen?
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: It was a sixty nine yard punt, right, It completely
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: flipped the field position, right, and it just you can't
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: tell me that that they that these coordinators should be
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: here still and you talk about like, you know, the
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: Jets or excuse me, the Bills with Ken Dorsey.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: So that's what Fred Will made a change, And at
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: the time I wanted to get into this rant. I
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: kind of did this a little in the post game,
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: but then I'm like, you know what, Patriots on filtered
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: do we have to but like that to me, if
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: you want to come out of a game and make
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: a statement, just do something. And I don't care if
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: it's wrong, Just do something. Like Joe Judd's gotta go,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: but he's list.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: We're in a bye week. It's not to say something
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: won't happen in the next two weeks.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: I just like, for all the things they Evan said,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: and I really got annoyed by the punt by some
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: people really defending the decision on the punt and build
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: kind of like we did that last year against them.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: We saw something and now you know we blocked punt.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: You know, Okay, Like, first of all, I'm gonna trust
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: that you're not lying to me, which I've checked in
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: the past, and I found out that you were in
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: fact lying to me. You did not recount the situations
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: the same, But I'm gonna trust that that's accurate. I
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: didn't go back and look like so they're on their
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: own thirteen yard line with twelve minutes left in the
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: second quarter, and this is the time that you deemed
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: to set you know, and if it if it doesn't
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: work that way, then you just you drop back and
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: you set up a return. Why don't we got to
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: set up a return, Like, let's just assume it's like
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: a forty five yard net on the punt average run
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: of the mill net.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Right, You're gonna have good, right, decent field.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna get the ball at my own forty right, Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: what's wrong with that?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Like we're gonna take the risk of.
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: We really need to score our special teams, Like we
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: really this is the only way we're getting the end
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: zone today is if we send the house.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Plus the pla you knew that you weren't going to
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: get in a shootout, and plus they were playing their backup.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Course, we're in a stadium where the punters saying, yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you kind of can't go for the hang time because
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of the scoreboard there. So you knew it's going to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: be a kick that was going to roll anyway, just because.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: That's a good one I think of that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but they were so not close to it that
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: he's he got all of it right. Like usually when
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: you send a.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Punch and that's all you had a good punt.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, oh, because you were closed.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a high punt.
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: But when you send a punt block like that, you
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: at least think you're going to alter the punt, like
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: the guy's going to have to just get it out
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: of there right right, And that didn't even happen. And
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: I guess what they thought was going to happen was
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: the thought that the Colts typically block man blocking right,
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: just hat on a hat man blocking on the punt,
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: and they expected them to bring one of the gunners
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: into even the numbers and the man and then they
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: were going to overload a side. And I guess apparently
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: the Colts just checked to a zone blocking scheme and
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: it just didn't It just wasn't set up. Yeah, And
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: it was all fine. And I just if that that's
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: your ace in the hole, is to try to block
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: a punt.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: They've come a long way from the chuck bgano am.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: No, And I gotta be honest with your friend. And
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: someone said that on the radio side. I think there's
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: not a lot different between those two things. I thought
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: that was a ridiculous time to try to do that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: You know, you know, it would be perfect as if
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: they fired cam a Court and promoted Joe Judge now
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: from offensive assistant to specialty.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: But we know he's the special to Evan's point, like
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: the field goal, the field goal wasn't good. Okay, first
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: of all, it was on the outside. It was over
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: the top, but it was on the outside. And to
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: be like, I don't know what you are so angry about,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Like why is it like that every one of these
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: games has to has to devolve into we got screwed?
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: Like after the game, it's we got screwed? Every week?
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: Who is the coach?
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: What we're talking about?
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: And he storms around like I don't know it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: Just two years in a row, last year, last year's
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: it's him with the quarterbacks. And he's definitely part of
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: the problem there. And they did the right thing with
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: Patricia and they said, look, let's just get you out
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: of the building, like this just isn't gonna work. He
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: gets to stay. Now he's courting the special teams and
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: his Special Teams unit is a disaster, despite the fact
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: that they pay all these guys to come in and
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: play special teams and they keep all the you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: Brandon Schoolers of the world and stuff like that on
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: the roster. You can't tell me that they don't have
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: good special teams players.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: And I keep saying this. Everybody points to the specialists,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: and I don't really look at I don't blame the
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: coaching on the specialists. Much like I never gave credit
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: for Nick Folk never missing a field goal. I never
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: gave that credit to the Patriots, even though they were
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: glad to take it. Okay, I don't blame Chad Ryland's
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: operation missing. Yeah, they do. Fred, You're right, they do
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: take credit for it. But to me, that's different. I
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: don't blame the fact that Berenger again had two touchbacks
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: out of four punts or five punts wherever he had,
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: and he remains in the bottom third of punting. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: don't blame that on the coaching.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Although that one that was a bomb seventy year in
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the air, he had like a seventy nine yard or
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, but.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: The return, they continue to kick the ball short because
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: they're smarter than everybody, and they continue to allow the
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: guy to get beyond the twenty five this one coming
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: off of your field goal to get within one, allow
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: them to get to midfield on a forty something yard return.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: Well, at least the guy in Time Montgomery, one of
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: their special teams only guys made the tackle.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they saved a touchdown.
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: He did ernest keep kay, I thought McKenzie was gone.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Now the other way, you know when they do it
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: the other way in Time Montgomery, and he does this
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: now virtually once a game. Early in the game, he
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: tries to take one out and he doesn't even get
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: to the twenty let alone the twenty five. That's the stuff.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Coupled with the litany of penalties they've had on special
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: teams all year, that's the stuff that I'm putting on
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: the special teams coaches, you know that that kind of thing.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: So you had one play where you dialed up a
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: block field goal that was tremendous, And how many of
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: you are on the other side, all of them, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: every other one is on the other side. They haven't
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: made any impactful play since Week two on special teams positively.
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: And this is, you know, two weeks in a row.
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: Now that last week against the Commanders, they completely imploded
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: on special teams, like.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, it largely cost them the game.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and then this week you could make an argument
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: in a ten six game that these little things absolutely
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: cost you the game then too. I mean, you make
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: two field goals, it's twelve to ten and you win
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: the game. It just I don't know, how what more
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: evidence you need with those two coaches. I don't all.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Right, well, listen, that was Germany. Now we haven't even
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: talked about Jack Jones. Yeah, well, yeah, I think we
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: should talk to I do want to get our listeners involved,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: but we should mention. As you said, Jack Jones released,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and Bill's answer was just it was just time, yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: to move on. And we all know that this was,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you know, had something to do with a field that
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with performance.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Had plenty to do with performance. That was, to me,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: the final straw in the last three games in the field,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: if you're not going to play well, correct, right, correct? Right,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: So he's gone, he's gone.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: Fourth round.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Penn coming back like someone someone asked him if he.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: No, Yeah, yeah, that was the definitive question.
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: That's probably the most honest answer he's given in weeks.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: I liked that answer.
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: I'm not surprised at all. I mean, I don't think anything.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: I'm just surprised it took this long, and you guys
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: know how I felt in June. I would have done
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: it then, but.
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: It's like, you know, and Paul, you've been all over this,
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: like why why are you taking chances on this guy?
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Anyway?
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Like you know, continue to rely on unreliable players and
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: this is how you get to two and eight.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, So Jack Jones is gone, and like
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I said, this is the buye. There's no telling what's
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: going to happen between now and you know, a week
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: from next Sunday. There could there could be, there could be.
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: We're gonna see that we're going I might know something now,
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: we're gonna have a locker room open this afternoon. I
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: don't anticipate will glean anything from that particular situation, but
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: I just he said, everything's on the table. I'm just curious,
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: like I, you know, knowing how they are, I feel
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: like they're gonna come back with some significant changes.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: And Jack Jones was clearly quarterback.
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: Bailey's happy.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: What about Will Greer?
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: I mean, I just I wouldn't be surprised if Mac
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: is completely inactive for the game.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: I was thinking Mac would be the third third.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: He did go to the X ray room after the game. Yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Bruce but I'm just saying that where that's the setup
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: for right, Yeah, I.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Can't say that put him on I R yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: Show, I mean, yeah, I think Zappy.
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: I just I think everybody's kind of infatuated with Will
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: Greer because he's an unknown commodity and you haven't seen
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: him go out and do the things you've seen like
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: Bailey's Appy do for better or worse, and it's like, well,
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: maybe he's amazing.
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: If you just give him a chance. Let's see Will
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: gear I think it's probably SAP.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I was so starved for any kind of offensive production
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: that I actually I said to do he threw the
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: one to Henry five. That's how starved I was for anything.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Oh yes, you could hear it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, but it wasn't until he was in.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, at that point they were just trying to
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: support them.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: But that's why I'm kind of glad, Like the Giants
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: game is at the Giants, so you can just kind
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: of not have to worry about the Patriots.
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: I just don't like So Tommy DeVito is going to
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: start for the Giants, I'm assuming, and it's like, how
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: you it might be really hard to lose to Tommy DeVito.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I can't see them losing. I know I've picked them
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: the last two weeks and I've been wrong the last
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: two weeks. But but what it looks like zappy like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's I cannot look worse than it was.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: One question I have is, what is you know, the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: mood in the locker room at the Giants compared to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, because like we're hearing some things, it's not
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: good right now here. I don't like, are they still
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: playing for Dable in the other In another word, it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a good question.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: That's probably a deep dive over the next couple of weeks.
• 44:59
  Speaker 10: Are they're playing this week? The Giants that they have
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: a game this week? As anybody know off the top
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: of their their skulls now, I do not. Yeah, I
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: don't know if Giants.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: It's just such an commands Oh boy.
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: It's just such a different dynamic though, when you have
• 45:12
  Speaker 10: a backup quarterback and the Patriots are rolling out a
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: first round pick who you know is supposed to be
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: the guy. I mean that I think to me, that's
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: a major impact on what the move is when it
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: teams like, look, we got our backup quarterback, like we
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: don't have to take.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: It too tire. We're playing in this game.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: That's good.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think that they would be to Giants Stavn's point,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: but I think Tommy DeVito. They tried to play an
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: NFL game the other day without really throwing passes, kind
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: of indoors. You know, I don't think you can do that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: What I mean, the Patriots made history. I mean they
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: managed to take a six round quarterback and he turned
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: into the greatest of all time. And they took a
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: first round quarterback and he should have been in the
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: sixth round.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: So you know, you have a lot of tone today.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: I like it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: Well, I think we're all like it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: A little tired, a little angry. This morning was testy.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Today was the first day I woke up and I
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: felt normal.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Yeah, I have to wit. I slept
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: well last night. I got in a little after nine o'clock.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: I'm still getting them.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: You got home nine o'clock last night. Yeah, Oh you
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: sound great for that. I thought you were home earlier
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: than that.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's fine, nine o'clock. Got a good night's sleep.
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I purposely stayed up on the plane on the
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: way back on Sunday.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: So I three movies.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I watched three movies too, and I was sitting
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: with two people. I don't know if they want me
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: to say their names over there, but we were like,
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: let's watch movies together. Well, then we'll we'll talk about
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: We're all stay awake, the two of them, like an
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: hour into the flight and I'm just like, nope, I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: staying up like I'm doing. It.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you guys had a pajama party.
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: It was pretty That was the Bradley couldn't no, it
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: wasn't Bradley, but he was jealous that it wasn't Bradley.
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: He was like, you guys are all sitting together except me.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: We had a good uh yeah, we had a good trip.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: It's a good trip. Yeah, good experience.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones. Eight five five pass five
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: hundred is the ACE ticket houtline web radio at pages
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: dot com as the email address US. Both phones and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: email is lit up. Let's go to Christian in LA.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: What's up Christian?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, you guys tell you just today? Okay, welcome back
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: from Germany and that thing. So three quick comments and
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: here we go on Bill Belichick, I think nine times
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: out of ten when the coaches on the verge of
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: getting fired or the thing is collapsing, it's because that
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: coach has attached himself, whether of his own or someone else's,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: to a quarterback who can't play. Quarterbacks are coach killers.
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: Ye, that's number one.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Two runs Mac Jones. Apparently we got the run of
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: the litter of the Alabama quarterbacks of late. I think
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: it's time. Obviously from the go we're not going to
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: exercise his fifty year option, but I do think we
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: owe him a soft landing. I think to apologize for
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: sort of the mismanagement of his early development. I think
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: that was on us, So we owe him a soft landing.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: But I think it's time to move on. Here's my
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: big idea. I think over his next two weeks, we
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: bring in Malik, let him put together some packages for him,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: and at the same time start looking at Dallas to
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: trade for Trey Lance. Matt Jones would be a great
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: replacement for Dak. They sort of play a stimul style
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: of football, and that would be a great soft landing
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: for Max. We have the rest of this year for
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Bill to develop the offense around, you know, the elite
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: type quarterback, and then we have Trey Lance developing the
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: rest of this year and all in the offseason. He's
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: got the tools to be one of these new age quarterbacks.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: That's my big idea.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, talk about it a little bit. That's Christian.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: The only idea quarterback is is it Drake mayor Caleb Williams.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: That's it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: If you can get somebody like Trey Lance or we
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: were talking about justin fields and you can get Marvin Harrison.
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: I know you're just like offering the other side of
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: the coin. But it's now, if you don't have the quarterback,
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: you don't have any Yeah, that simple.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: But what if all right, hypothetical third pick and you
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: can't get them.
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: Exactly, that's the only reason, Like, that's the only way
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: I'm taking Marvin Harrison is like, but if you.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: Can't get those two guys. I don't hate the idea
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: of Trey Lance. I don't really. I I'm just scratching
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: my head trying to figure out one similarity between Mac
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Jones and Dak Prescott. Like, I don't really know of
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: one similarity. I was gonna let that there's nothing. There's
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: nothing physically similar about here. We go any of any
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: of them you can't do the cadence.
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: You keep laughing.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: Mean, I'm not mean. I might be snarky, but I'm
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: not mean. You're mean. But seriously, what is the physical
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: similarity between Dak Prescott and Jones?
• 49:51
  Speaker 13: No?
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: No, no, And.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: I'm just looking forward to playing these games for the
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: next six months. So, in other words, I don't really
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: understand why why Mac Jones would be valuable to Dallas
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: in this trade. The we obviously looked into Lance as
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: a reclamation kind of project.
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: You know, plays a similar style out to Dak Prescotte, right,
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: and if we can rehab him. Yeah, you know, Dax
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: had some injury problems. Maybe his career is not going
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: to be one of these twenty plus year careers that
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: some of the others have.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: We have Trey Lance. I don't really see anything about
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Mac Jones that's like, no, Trey Lance.
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: If he's shown any promise at Dallas since he's been there,
• 50:23
  Speaker 10: why would they want to get rid of him. The
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: only reason they want to give him to you is
• 50:25
  Speaker 10: if they got him in their building and they said
• 50:27
  Speaker 10: this kid can't play.
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: They've got a close look like, yeah, fine, take them.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I do worry that even though they are
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: seemingly ticketed for the top five. Do you need to
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: be one or two to get one of those? Right guys?
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: You know, I I totally hear that. I just to me,
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: they they need a new starting quarterback in twenty twenty four.
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: However they get there, I guess we can deliberate over
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: the next week six months, which I'm sure.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: And we had a guy, we had a guy call
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: in saying, like, you know, it's done, deal, you can't
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: get one of those to it. I was like, well, why,
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: like yeah, that they're in the top five now, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: like I just still I still think there's this notion
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: of people that think they will not finish with the
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: top five pick, because that's blasphemous around here, Like they're
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: two and eight. Everything is on the table. And I
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: gotta tell you, I watched a good portion of that
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Atlanta Arizona game. Kyler Murray is going to win a
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: couple of games for them. That might be one less
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: team you have to worry about finishing.
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: Behind, and they might also just not take a quarterback
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: to take a quarterback.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: No, no, I know that, but I don't think you
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: know if you had to ask me right now, who's
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: gonna win more games the rest of the way, Arizona
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: or Patriots. I wouldn't think twice of who I was
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: betting on.
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I understand the arguments of you know, and I've
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: been there the whole season. The next quarterback has to
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: have a better supporting cast than this. That's apparent, But
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: in my mind, like you have ninety million dollars in
• 51:52
  Speaker 9: cap space to work with in the veteran market, like
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: why not just sign t Higgins or you know, it's
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: trade for somebody that comes Brandon Iuk, wherever comes available,
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: and build it the supporting cast in the veteran market
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: and draft the quarterback like that, That to me.
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: Is just twenty one twenty one?
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: What do you say?
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: Like, so if Carolina gets the number one pick, that
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: would be Chicago, right, yep, So it's Chicago's one, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: let's say the Giants are two, Yeah, the Patriots are
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: three and Arizona's behind something like that, or if you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: some other words, the Patriots can't get may or Williams.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that opens the door for them to
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: maybe trade with somebody and then you get maybe Kyler
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: Murray in that trade, and you know, try to work
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: it that way. If Arizona just decides we're going to
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: just take the next quarterback, I think that's unlikely because
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: if you're not going to be able to get one
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: of those one of those top two. Now I'm with Evan,
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know which one they're going to fall in
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: love with, but I got to think one of those
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: two guys is good enough for you to take Williams
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: or May.
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can't believe that all of these guys
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: are wrong about these two guys.
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: I mean, there's gonna be a good argument to be
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: made that they could make a trade like that and
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: maybe acquire another top fifty pick this year, so now
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: they would have three top fifty picks. Or even if
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: like they trade with Chicago for example, and they get
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: both their picks or something like that, then that that
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: that would be a good trade probably, But I just
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: you can't. You can't keep spinning the dial at quarterback
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: like you have to have an answer at that spot.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Let's see Rashad's in Baltimore. Hey, yeah, line three, yep, Okay.
• 53:36
  Speaker 14: All right, I'm not I'm not gonna try to be
• 53:39
  Speaker 14: too long, but I know last week I called and said,
• 53:43
  Speaker 14: I don't want Zafy, but.
• 53:45
  Speaker 13: I think we gotta start Zafy.
• 53:47
  Speaker 14: If we want to chance that that.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Pick, we gotta.
• 53:51
  Speaker 14: We gotta, like, we gotta just like if we're going
• 53:53
  Speaker 14: to tank, we gotta fully tank. And that giant next
• 53:57
  Speaker 14: week that that definitely not like we have to lose
• 54:02
  Speaker 14: that game. We have to lose that game, like all
• 54:04
  Speaker 14: these games he could have won this year, that can't
• 54:08
  Speaker 14: be the one game that we're going to win. We
• 54:10
  Speaker 14: gotta lose it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I get the theory. I just don't
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: think it's realistic that they're gonna shot. They're gonna roll
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: over and not win on purpose. Now, who knows, maybe
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: they'll decide after the bye week. Well, we think mac
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: gives us the best chance because that that would be
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: kind of tanking if Macots tried it out there again,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: that's kind of an indication that you're tanking.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Or or throwing making a human sacrifice.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: Jesus uh.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I think for his own benefit, you don't start.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's kind of and I wrote this this morning.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: I in my note. It's it's as much about like
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: let him just take some time off, like give him something,
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: you know. I think Evan's point about the possibility of
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: him not being active in the game is valid. I
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: think that you might see Zappi and Career, you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: both both actors.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the next two weeks in practices and in
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the position rooms. Not particularly, I would just like to
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: know how they're coaching this week enough film, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I think that, and I know that other people have
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: brought this up.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: I think one of the bigger problems is that they
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: are coaching the same way. And I think that some
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: people would say, oh, well that what else would you
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: do besides? But what I mean by it is like
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: these players are it's hard to play here. Like these
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: players are going through these practices, they're staying late, They're
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: in these meetings for hours on end. They're getting showed
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: out in film sessions by the coaching staff because they're
• 55:39
  Speaker 9: brutally honest, like worse than us, and they're they're going
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: through all these things to be two and eight And
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: at this point, like that's why I you know, I
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: said last week that I wouldn't fire Bill midseason out
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: of respect to what he's accomplished here. And I still
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: largely feel that way, but at the same time it
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: now does set up as a nice time with the
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: bye week that if you're already gonna do it at
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: the end of the year, and I don't know, but
• 56:08
  Speaker 9: if you are already going to do it at the
• 56:09
  Speaker 9: end of the year, I do think it's maybe worth
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: seeing how they respond to Grod Mayo and just how
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: he takes over the room and how guys you know,
• 56:21
  Speaker 9: what's the rules under his regime and how do guys
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: feel about it and that sort of thing and get
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: the pulse of the locker room of is this better?
• 56:30
  Speaker 9: You know, is this easier? And I say easier, I
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: don't mean you work less hard, but just easier. But
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: the kind of like with the Raiders, like right now.
• 56:39
  Speaker 10: But kind of along the lines of what they did
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: to Bailey Zappi is a fair to Mayo, you know.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: Like like the Zappi all right, go fix it.
• 56:44
  Speaker 10: It's a mess and you know it like is it
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: I'm not saying I don't think it is.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I just like the way you ever put it. Though,
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: I don't think they would be looking for him to
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: go fix it. I think they're looking to see how
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: they respond to him. You know, some of the players respond. Now,
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: Fred makes a good point too. There might not be
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of guys in there that you care or
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: how they respond to anybody, right, but there's just there
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: should be enough. I mean, all your guys that are
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: on rookie contracts are going to be here next year.
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: It's just a good it's a good opportunity to basically
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: have him audition for the job and to see how
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: it goes. I just this to me is like almost
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: worst in some ways. It's almost worse to to.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Bill because it's just like we we we know you're
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: just gonna keep losing like that, right exactly. It just
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: it makes you want.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Tim's and Caroline I hate Tim.
• 57:33
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, how you're doing good?
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 13: So I kind of just looking at the Jets schedule
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: down the you know, for the rest of the season,
• 57:41
  Speaker 13: and looking at the Giants the rest of the season,
• 57:43
  Speaker 13: I actually think both those teams could end up with
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: a higher pick than the Patriots just based on strength
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: of schedule.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: I think the Jets already have enough wins to not
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: finish behind the Patriots.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just have what four wins?
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: They have four wins and if the Patriots them and
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: the Patriots.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Now, the Giants I think are going to finish with
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: the worst record than the Patriots. I think you're right
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: on that one. The Jets are gonna win one or
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: two more, just like you will, and then they'll be
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: ahead of you. I don't think you have to worry.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't worry. I don't worry as much
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: about the Jets. I worry about the Giants either way.
• 58:17
  Speaker 13: I don't think they're gonna have a top one or
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: two pick, and I actually think they're gonna miss out
• 58:21
  Speaker 13: on both of those quarterbacks. Just maybe I have this feeling,
• 58:25
  Speaker 13: and I don't see I mean, if Bill's in charge
• 58:29
  Speaker 13: at draft, at the draft, we're not trading up. We're
• 58:32
  Speaker 13: not We're not doing the Kyle Shanahan three first rounders
• 58:36
  Speaker 13: trade up. I just don't see that happening either.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Well, they also wouldn't have to do that. If they're
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: like three, you don't have to trade three three first
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: rounders to move to two. Like if you're twelve, you
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: have to trade three first rounds to move to two.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: But that's that's a little different.
• 58:51
  Speaker 15: I do.
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: I don't even see them trading one.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I could if you love the quarterback you better.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: I could, Yeah, I absolutely could. But you know, we'll
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: see I don't think, you know, I mean, we'll see
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: who's making the decisions too.
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: Do you guys watch the college games?
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hi amara feeling.
• 59:14
  Speaker 13: I don't know if you guys watched Michael Pennix play
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: this weekend. But the wind was whipping there in Washington,
• 59:22
  Speaker 13: unbelievable arm in bad weather. Yea kid play. Yeah, I thought,
• 59:29
  Speaker 13: you know, he'd be a nice consolation prize if they
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: miss out on the first two.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: You want to take him with like the third, third,
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: or fourth pick.
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: If you're looking at the draft board, I would look
• 59:41
  Speaker 13: at you know, who can you if you can trade
• 59:43
  Speaker 13: down and there aren't people that there aren't other teams
• 59:45
  Speaker 13: that are looking for a quarterback, Like maybe you can
• 59:49
  Speaker 13: trade down two or three spots and get an additional
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: pick in there and then pick up the quarterback.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, thank him.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: I'm not interested in my pix in the top ten.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Me neither, I'm not. I mean, if you want to say,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: like you're gonna be picking with the third or fourth
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: pick of the second round and you want to maybe
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: move up into the bottom of the first round to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: get someone like that, like Panix or JJ McCarthy even
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: like I don't really love him either, but that I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: could be sold on. But I'm gonna maneuver around to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: reach for a quarterback that I don't think a lot
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: of people think it's a top ten guy. Now, maybe
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: I'm dead wrong on that. He's a little older.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: He's twenty four to two in the knee, lefty, but
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: he does have a good arm.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Killer though a lot of lefties don't have strong arms.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: He does. He's right, the caller Tim is right about
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: why do you say that? I don't know, but it's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: I'm just telling you. Michael Vick had a pretty strong
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: Michael Vick was another exception. He drew the ball as
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: well as anybody.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: I just with Penix. I I'm still waiting to see
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: if Penix can like hit anything at the second first
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: level of the defense. Like every time I watch just
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: have really good receivers in college. Yeah, so his, uh,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna butcher his name. He's going to be a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: first round pick. Yeah, his his top receiver at Washington
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: is going to be a first round pick. I just
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: with Penis. He throws a pretty deep ball. And he
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: can move a little bit, and he can throw on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: the run, he can do all that kind of stuff.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: I like, yeah, yeah, I worry about like the instructure
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: stuff though, like is he going to be able to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: read out the field and make those types of throws
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 9: from the pocket? And I worry about that with Caleb
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: Williams too. Also, have you guys done any research on that,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: like this mocks that are already out, like where's Penis? Like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: am I way off on that? Penis can be a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: first round pick?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: That's but top but top five?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: Top five?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: He wants to go into the top five?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean it depends all this stuff always depends
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: on the pre draft. I've been thinking of him as
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: the bottom half of the first round kind of no no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 9: top half of the first round.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: I think, okay, all right, I mean just because he
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: plays quarterback, you got him. I'm not interested in him
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: that I mean.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: I shouldn't say that, like you know, who knows, like
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: will Levis was supposed to be a first round pick
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: and he ended up falling to the first pick of
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: the second round, so you just you never know.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: But but but that's see, I would say that's fine. Like,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: is there a huge difference between like twenty six and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: thirty three? No, like, but there's a huge difference between
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: four and thirty three.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Nah.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would look at Penix as a guy that's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: like probably in like I don't know, like the the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: eight to fifteen range, like he's he's a.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: Deepone has him as number twenty one overall, Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: That's where I that's my mind.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: I don't want to be luck step with Blue Jerny,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: but my mind that's where I right.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 9: But if they have him twenty one overall and he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: has a good pre draft and he's a quarterback, he's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: gonna go ten picks higher than twenty one.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: Yep So, and it's gonna be like the teams. Yeah,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be the team exactly. I wouldn't have taken
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: it now, but they don't have to relegislate that.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 9: I think this one, like not is like a little
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: bit more, you know, Zach wilsony where like he's gonna
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: like Penix is gonna look really good throwing the ball
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 9: at his pro day because he's got hell of an arm,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: so it's gonna look good in shorts and a T
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 9: shirt no matter where he's at.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: That's what people say about JJ McCarthy, But I don't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: see that when I watch the Michigan play.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 16: No.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: JJ McCarthy I think has a little He's definitely more
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 9: tools than Mac. He can move around more than Mac.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: But he worries me because it's it's similar where like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: Michigan's just loaded. So like he's standing behind an offensive
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: line that never allows pressure. He's got an incredible run game,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: incredible defense, Like he what does he really have to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: do in a lot of these games?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: What do you think of the comparison to Pennix Junior
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: to Tagabaloa.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 9: Well, they're both lefties. I think that that's like kind
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: of where it ends for me. Yeah, you know, I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 9: mean maybe like pre hip injury to a had had
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: an arm like Penix, But I think two is a
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 9: much much better anticipatory thrower, Like he's much better at
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 9: playing quarterback. And that's like my whole thing with this
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: draft is like when we start looking at the qbs,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 9: who plays quarterback and who's just an athlete playing quarterback?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 9: And I want the quarterback athlete.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: The other thing I would say with those two is,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: you know, Tua played a couple of years at Alabama.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Pennock has been in college football for like seven years,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: six years, Like he should be at a level higher
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: at this point. Now he's playing against you know, kids
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: that he has three times as much experience as you
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like that's a big difference. I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: think he spent three years at Indiana and three at
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: Washington or something like that.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: I get why people draw the comparisons because they're both lefties,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 9: but I think twas his straints are much different than Penix's.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 9: Penix is a raw talent, whereas Tua has you know,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: all those little and you.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: Know, it's funny. Even though I think Tua has been successful,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think he would have gone as high had
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: people not felt that he could be the dual threat.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: Because I loved him at Alabama. I thought he was,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: you know, another dual threat kind of guy who could
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: really throw. To Evan's point, with the anticipation and stuff
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: like that, that's what he's brought to the NFL. But
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: he doesn't really bring the running element at all. And
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: he's small, so he shouldn't be running around a ton
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: with all the injuries that he's had. But I'm not
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: sure you would have been the fifth pick if people
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: realized he wasn't don't think it's a thread guy.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 9: He definitely doesn't go over Herbert if they'd realize that.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 9: I the one guy that's really intriguing to me. I'm
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: not a big Penis guy. Bars a little bit higher
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 9: on Pennix than I am, I think, but Jaden Daniels.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: From LSU's I love him.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: That's the one guy that I really If you're not
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 9: going to get the Tier one guys, which is Caleb
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: and Drake May, Jaden Daniels, as you get him in
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 9: the bottom in the first round, maybe I think that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: there's a possibility. And if you have like.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: He's like six foot right six ' four, oh he's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, if he is.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Who's the other Daniels for what?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: Mark Daniels?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: Mark, are you thinking of Jordan Travis from Florida State?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Because I get those two mixed up all the time,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: and Travis is small. Jaden Daniels has got good.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: I forget who they were playing, but there was a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: conference game he had six hundred total yards of offense.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's been in college for a while. He should
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: be dominating. But yeah, I do like the skills yet there.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: All right, so at this time, we welcome Tamara Brown
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: to the show. No matter how you doing. How was
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: your Germany experience.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: I'm definitely jet lagged, still recovering from the time difference,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: but overall, I was blown away by Patriots Nation in Frankfurt.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: I kind of went into Germany with no expectation, so
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: I think that might have been it too, but just
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: to support throughout the week, just seeing there were so
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: many more Patriots fans there than Colts fans. Like all
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: week long, people were like, you have you seen any
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: Colts fans? I'm like, no, the only thing I've seen
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: Colts is the Colts cheerleaders. That was the only thing
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: that I saw downtown. Other than that, it was a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: bunch of Patriots jerseys. Patriot fans were everywhere. They were
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: so welcoming, they were so excited. I don't know if
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: it was for PU specifically or you know, Patriots, it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: was Patriots specifically, but just blown away. I mean, even
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: with the loss, I felt like Patriot's Nation there was incredible.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was great, and you enjoyed yourself.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: You did have really great food. I went back to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: that restaurant that you took me to, like, I had
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: to go back there again. I think that was my
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: last meal in Germany. But I really enjoyed it. Ever,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: I really enjoyed it. It was pretty cold there.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, it was chilly.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: I was a little cold the last day, like everybody's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: bundled looked like it was really cold day.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: It was the coldest day, okay, Monday. I was there
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: afterwards and it was pouring, so we were lucky to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: not get any of that. You know.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: The weather was exactly what I thought it would be.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just watching watching the game. It looked
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: like it was colder than when Mike.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: And I my fingers, like because it's you're completely outdoors
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: and my fingers were working slow.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: Is that why you had to take a break?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I well, when it's cold out, you have to, you know,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: go to the bathroom a little bit more.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: Is that also?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: There was nothing for him to be reporting on in
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: that game, I.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: Know, but someone sent a screenshot of the be back
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: in five minutes.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: And the press there. They don't have their own bathroom.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: You have to go down the stairs and out to
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the concourt, so you're in the same bathroom as all the.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: Fans the steering room.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was different, but you sat in the stands. Yeah,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: how was that experience?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: Wild?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: So the ushers the crazy thing. I have a video
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: the ushers like they pumped the fans up, so they're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: they're ushering, you know, people to their seats, but they're
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: also pumping up the fans, like making them get loud
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: and stuff. I'm like, they don't do that here. Like,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: it was incredible, Alex and I got a good video
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: of it. I'd never seen that before.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: But you like it when they sang Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, country Roads is a little bit weird considering like
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: the Cults and New England are not Country Roads.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: They every game, Yeah, but it's just one of their songs.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: They love it.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: It was interesting.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: It was the way they did it and they you know,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: they all had their camera lights on and I got
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: a little choked ups.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: You really when you say they always sing, what do
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 10: you mean like just fans general for this for the games?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: And they did it last week for the Miami and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: that was in.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Munich last year they did it. Yeah, they you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: because I was in the bar last year in Munich
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: and the you know. They we had a German DJ,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and he was playing like all classic rock from the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: eighties and they love they love all that music.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: That was what I was really surprised about was that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: they didn't play like I was thinking that we were
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: gonna go sear some du none of that. It's just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: but like no, like Gibson, like the Gipson. You know.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: After the show we were there, it was like Rihanna,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 9: like they were playing like American music and like every
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: once in a while they would mix in some like
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: German house song or something, and I had to ask,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: like what they were saying, and it was not not
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: safe for our biggest.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Our biggest export is entertainment, movies, music. That's what we explained.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: And all the like the German people that were there,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: they all knew the words like they were they were
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: all into it, like that was the music they wanted
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: to hear.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: There must just be a bunch of Germans that have
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 10: this like glowing impression of West Virginia.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: Though, like, man, that must be the best over there.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 9: West Virginia, hor do not recommend.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I've spent time there. Yeah, I would put it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: in the bottom bottom three of states.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Nik in Australia. What's up, Nick, Nick?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 17: Yes, I just got a question for Evan and Mike.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 17: My first of all, do you think Billy o'brown will
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 17: be back next year? And if so, do you want
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 17: him to return? And Evan, if we do end up
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 17: with the top peak, who would you take? Would you
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 17: take May or would you take Williams? You know that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 17: obviously it's probably the consents, not one peak, but one
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 17: your opinion on it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: I'd just say I'd be open to Billy Oh coming back.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think he's gotten you know, totally
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 10: fair shaken. I think he's you know, modern we talked
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 10: last year things that you know, modern teams are doing.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: I think he's on that tip. I still like Billy Oh.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: I haven't lost faith in him.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If let's say you have you know,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: the first or second pick, and you can choose your quarterback,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Billy Oh is eventually going to leave for a head
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: coaching job, do you want to, like, you know, rather
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: that get a get a head coach who chooses his
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, but it's his offense, it's the head coach's offense.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we've had those conversations.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's just it's something I think you got
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 10: to make peace with if if you're not going to
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 10: choose an offensive coordinator as your coach, I mean, unless
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 10: you want to just cut it down the middle and say, look,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 10: we're only looking at offensive coaches and he's going.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: To bring his own guy and that.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if you if you want to
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: limit yourself that much.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just part of life.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 10: I mean, even if you have, you know, a great
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 10: head coach and there's gonna be a coordinator that comes
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 10: in and I mean you're looking at it with Buffalo
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 10: a little bit right now, where they, you know, have
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 10: the defensive coach.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: That's what happened. It's it's it's tough to navigate.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 10: I just don't know if there's that perfect offensive mind
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 10: that you you're ready to hand.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: The keys to just yet, Thanks Nate, hold On, hold On, Yeah,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Heaven Drake. Drake Thomas writes in fun fact, Country Roads
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: was initially written about Western mass but they decided that
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: West Virginia sounded better than Massachusetts, so they changed a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: bunch of words, and he cites Wikipedia.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: Must be true.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 10: Then Denver I was surprised it wasn't about Colorado because
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 10: John Denver is Colorado guy, right, like that was always
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: what he missed me up.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: You know, it was nice, fun fact. I love a
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: good country sing along.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: I hear that all the time in Blacksburg, Virginia, but
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: not in Frankfurt, Germany. I wasn't expecting that.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, Eldred in North Carolina? What's up Eldred?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 15: Hey, fellow lady, how y'all doing good? Two questions? Uh,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 15: just take o rid of Jack Jones? Any chance Bolan
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 15: coming back?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: He's going the whole.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: Are Yeah, he's too much for that one.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: And yes, sir, I agree with Bart.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 15: I disagree with you on on Michael Pennick also him
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 15: place Sunday and he did Starity and they playing again
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 15: this Thearity and Drake. Uh that Caleb William guy, he
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 15: didn't drop them in the pole. So they got him,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 15: may I mean they got Pinnick. May Uh that was
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 15: a guy from U C. L A. And my guy
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 15: Jordan Travis top runners for the Hoisting Trophy and he's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 15: going up with the pig. So no that that that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 15: was that that was showed up there. So I would
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 15: I want to take Caleb william with a can't put pole. Okay,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 15: I don't know how you feel about it.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I'm definitely skeptical of Caleb Williams at
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 9: this point, I think is the way to put it.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: I feel very very concerned about his attitude, his father,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: all of it. Very concerned, Like I I do not
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: want LeVar ball here in New England. I have no
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 9: time for it. Like if you're gonna go run your mouth,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 9: if you're gonna go on ESPN and say that it's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 9: all you know, the coach's fault and you know he
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: has nobody to throw to and YadA, YadA, YadA, Like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: I got no time for that, like least like the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: leak it anominously like the current quarterback, you know, like
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: don't actually like put your face on it. So I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: just I'm concerned about that with Caleb Williams for sure.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: Why Why isn't Jordan Travis him actually bring it up?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: Just think of it.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: Why isn't Florida State's quarterback getting as much I guess
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: talk even though they're undefeated and you.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: Know he's candidate, Yeah, yes, he's the Heisman Trophy candidate.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: I'm not I don't know. I'm not as familiar with
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 9: him as the other guys just because he isn't in
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: that conversation as like a first round guy. But he
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: is a little bit on the smaller side, a little
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: bit on the older side, I think, too right. We
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: looked this up the other day. Yeah, I don't know exactly,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: like from a football standpoint why he's not higher. But
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: my guess is one of those guys, whether it's him
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: Bo Nicks, you know, I think you know. Bart just
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: texted me that Ubers might go back to Texas, which
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: is a little surprising because they have arch manning there.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: One of those guys get end up being my favorite
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 9: day to guy. I don't know who it's going to be,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: but one of one of them is. Yeah, one of
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 9: those guys is gonna be, like, you know, the guy
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: that I'm I'm putting the flag pole in for. Like,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: if you have to take one on day two, this
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: is who I would take.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: Question would you take two? Like would you find a
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: new backup? Because like because you don't love you don't
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: love Zappy.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: Like Robert Griffin too hot, I would not do that.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: No, not too high like one early.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: Like like r G.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Three. Like Mike said, first and fourth round, I would
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: not do that.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I do like first and sixth would.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: I know he's hurt, But if they were to do that.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: The the duke quarterback is kind of interesting. I don't
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: know who they depends on who they draft quarter If
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: they draft a guy, yeah, if they if they draft
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: a guy that's like super athletic and that's not like
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 9: you know, Riley Leonard, I don't think it's going to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 9: be a great transition back up to that. But if
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: they still have a guy that they hope in an
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: offense that they hope is going to be more of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: like a pocket passing, you know, traditional offense. And I've
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: liked what I saw from him before he got hurt.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not big on like rookie backup quarterback. I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: want a guy who's been around a little bit.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Chris with a t A n is calling and what's up, Christian.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 18: Hey lady, Hey guys, how's it going right?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Hey man?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 18: I had a question about the possibility of Bill returning
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 18: next year, and would you ever see a scenario where
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 18: at the end of the year, Bill says to Robert,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 18: you know, I'm seventy two. I got both my kids
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 18: on the staff. I really don't want to start over.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 18: I really want to leave here, you know, on good terms,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 18: and lead the team in a good place. I'll you know,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 18: welcome a GM and defer to GM on on the roster.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 18: Do you ever envision any scenario where that could happen?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 18: And do you ever see Robert considering that, you know,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 18: saying geez, yeah, I want him here too, Like I mean,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 18: is there ever I mean, me person want to thought over.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 18: I want to clean him with twos the whole way.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 18: But do you guys ever see Bill doing that?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I can't rule it out. I'd say I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: bet heavily against it. However, by the time the season's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: over and Bill kind of reflects on things, maybe he
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: would be like willing to do that. But right now,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: you know, telling me I have to put my money on,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I say, no way.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 10: I just would like, how could he expect to be
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: successful suddenly allowing someone else to pick his players for him? Like,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 10: it just doesn't seem like it's a it's a setup
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 10: for success that way.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I well, you still collab, but it's someone else's final decision.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: I hate collapse so much.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: It's such a big word these days, though, but it's
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: it's someone someone else has final say. But you know,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: of course they're going to listen to Bill Belichick.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah are they?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: They should?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: They should?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I think if you're going to ask him to coach,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: he should be on board.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, that I just I don't I don't know
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 9: why we're listening to him in period, but I I
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: have no interest in that setup. Like I understand where
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 9: the point is. I'm not trying to like it's not it,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: but you want to keep question is would Bill be
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 9: open to it? I just think that the the issue is,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: and I've had this issue with Macro in the past.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: It's like it depends on who I guess, because like
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: if it's just one of these guys that owes their
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: career to build, and what difference does it make if
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: they just hand it over to Macro and they say, oh,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 9: well now you have final say. But Bill's like his
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: dad's best friend and he's got it. You know, tell
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: Bill put him Bill in his place, Like he's not
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 9: gonna do that.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: So it's just it depends on who it is, I guess.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 9: But like it would have to be somebody with some
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 9: serious clout like that's done it for years and done
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 9: it successfully and someone that that can really stand up
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: to Bill And I don't know if any of the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: guys that have been through here are going to do that.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks all right now.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 18: But I was thinking a guy like Ernie just point
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 18: like somebody really established that it's been a bunch of
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 18: places that you know that that that could be that.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Type of isn't he retired.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: Like twenty five years right? Like you just meant somebody
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: like oh like that?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, somebody with Cashet, Thanks Christian, But.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: I kind of want to go the other way. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: It's it's hard because you have to identify someone who
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: hasn't done it or like doesn't have a track record.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: But I think they need to be a little bit
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: innovative in what they do.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Adam's in London. Hello Adam, Hey everyone.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 19: I just wanted to thanks all. I mean, I rang
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 19: into the postgame. I thanked all of Mike for the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 19: event it gives them, but it was great to meet
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 19: the rest of you as well. On Friday. I never
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 19: thought I'd be doing the worm on a dance stuff
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 19: and getting on stage.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Was that you was that you doing the work. Oh wow, Yeah,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: you came out there and just blew everyone away.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, quite impressive.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 19: Yeah that's not positivity though. Okay, I think hasn't got
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 19: the role. Like I said, what I called it on
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 19: the post game. I think I was still in the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 19: high of being in Frankfort and going to the game,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 19: but now back home in the UK, I think the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 19: headsn't got the role. I don't think that we will
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 19: get rid of film mid season. You know, we're not
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 19: that team kind of thing. I think everything he's done
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 19: for us the end of the year, maybe we kind
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 19: of stay, thank you and goodbye. But Evan, I think
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 19: I'm with you, Camra Cord or Joe Judge. I mean,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 19: a special team just needs to be changed. We have
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 19: all these core special teamers don't really play a role
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 19: offensively or defensively. We've preached about being so great in it,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 19: and it's just failing. I mean I watched with my
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 19: mouth wide open at that punk block, you know, a
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 19: sixty seven yard field flipper. I get what they were
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 19: trying to do, but still I was just perplexed. And
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 19: you know, today we've seen Buffalo have seen an issue.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 19: It hates me talking about complementing the bills, but Buffalo
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 19: have identified an issue and they've reacted. I just think,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 19: what are we telling the fan base if we're rolling
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 19: out the same thing that clearly isn't working.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: I think we met, But I'll think, all right, thanks Adam,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: Thanks Adam like that.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: You know when when when a coach does that, like
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: you know, all right, uh fired the offensive coordinator this morning.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Do you think you know that is an owner that says, hey,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta do something, this is unacceptable.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 9: It might be ye I think is trying to save
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 9: his own but honestly.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: That might be that it's also been in the works
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: for like a better part of a year and a half.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, honestly, they still have a shot.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, oh yeah, that's why. That's why I would
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: do it. Yeah, I mean why I think it was
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: the right thing to do. They have more than a shot. Like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: you know, they get Josh Allen playing like Josh Allen again,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: and they're gonna be like, I know, we joke around
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: like nine and was still in play. I told you
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: that was going to be a problem with But you
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: know that's all over their message boards.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: Right Oh really?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: No, yeah, it's just just like it.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: Al's like you that think that's why the ball went
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: through gave Davis's hands, it.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: Is, I have proof of it.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: It's not that though, But you know the attention to detail, Paul,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: it hasn't been there.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: He did drop one of those fumbles last night that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: was on him. One of the hand James Cook, he
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: dropping fault was coming out of his hands and then
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: the pick at the end of the half.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Was is the OCS fault? Do you blame him for
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: the too many men on the field that last play?
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 9: No, That's why I think that this is a scapegoat.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Who's whose fault is that?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: That was DeMar Hamlin's fault because he came in his
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: n injury replacement and didn't get off the field okay,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: which is sad because it was like his first defensive
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: snap since he came back. And then I think he
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: was the guy that was out there too long. But
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: what I don't like is when we you know, it's
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: I get the respect thing for Bill because he won
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: six titles and all the all that he's done for
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: the organization that I understand. I don't understand, like you
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: don't want to make those kind of reactionary moves. You
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: don't want to be one of those teams. Like, so
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: every team that's ever fired a guy was the wrong
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: thing to do because it was reactionary. Like, you don't
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: want to be one of those teams that's on the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: quarterback counsel because and I keep using the Jets as.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be. But sometimes you find yourself.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: Honest, Sometimes you draft Sam Darnold and it doesn't work out, right,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: and you realize he's not working out. I'm gonna change.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: Then I'm gonna draft Zach Wilson, and you realize it's
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: not working out, I'm gonna go and make a trade
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: for Aaron Rodgers, right, Like, I don't think that it's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: necessarily a bad thing. It's it's bad that you're missing,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: but I don't think it's bad that you're saying, I
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: identified this guy, he can't do it.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be one of those teams without
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Yeah, you don't know, but it's not
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: everyone can have him.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: But when you recognize that you don't have one, the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: longer you wait, the more you set the process back.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: And that's what I think we all kind of figured
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: out this weekend.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 9: I think that's kind of how I feel like about
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 9: the either ors of like, Okay, Marvin Harrison or a
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: quarterback is like, all you're doing is kicking the quarterback
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 9: can down the road.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: And I just think it's so I think everybody looks
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: at that San Francisco thing and says, let's do it
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: that way. Well, and it's so much harder to do
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: it that way.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 10: So ev how much do you think you'll be And
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 10: I mean I might be right there with you. But
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 10: if they're picking third overall and it seems like May's
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 10: gonna go first, to are repounding the table to try
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 10: to get up and get them a chance to get
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 10: them like.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean what it depends like obvious.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: So you like both these guys, Well May's gone and
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: you can get Williams.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: You're saying, ghettum, Oh yeah, I'd run the card up there.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: So you're not afraid to take Williams.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 9: No, I'm not afraid to take them. It's just given
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 9: the situation, I would prefer to take May. But and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: I know that there's a lot of draft analysts now
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 9: that are starting to sway to me.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: With that, because if you because I think Williams is
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback, but if you're afraid to take them,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: then don't take them.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: I think his baggage, I think is yeah problem.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: I think that's why May is leapfrogging him is because
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: of the ball I haven't talked.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 9: I have to. This is one of the hardest parts
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 9: for us about the draft is like we unfortunately we
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 9: can't interview these guys like the teams do, and we
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 9: don't do the you know, the background like the teams
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: do and stuff like that. You have to find out
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 9: about Caleb Williams, like what, you know, what is he
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 9: really like? You know what is he what what it
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 9: was teammates think about him? What it was? You know,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 9: Lincoln Riley, what does he think about him?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 9: What do people in his outer inner circle think about him?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 9: Because on the outside looking in, there's been comments to
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 9: the media that he's made that I haven't really loved that,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 9: you know, earlier this year that were a little bit spotty.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: His dad is is very very LeVar ball like, and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 9: then he's crying in his mom's arms at the end
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: of the game the other night, Like I just I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: don't know if I like any of that. But like
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: you said, Fred, I think just all things equal, he's
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: probably the most talented guy.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, how about speaking of West Virginia and the Cody's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: on the line. What's up to Cody? All right?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 16: Hey, that's I got two things heavan whenever you get
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 16: into the draft watching that, take a look at Beanie Bishop.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 16: He's a corner from which virginiay does lead the nation
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 16: and pass breakup just you know, they round thing.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: How about this. I actually saw him play live Oklahoma
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 9: against TCU. Oh yep, saw him play live. It was
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 9: good there. They had a TCU had a corner too though.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: That I probably had like two or three of them.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 9: That that is going to be drafted and uh yeah
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 9: he stood out he did.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 16: And uh instead of like say, if May is gone
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 16: and I'm not really high on Williams taking Marvin Harrison
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 16: and then maybe moving up and taking Jaydon Daniels in
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  Speaker 16: the late first round, what do you think about that?
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  Speaker 9: I'm okay, like I I hear the argument. I think
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  Speaker 9: the concern that I have with it is is Mac
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  Speaker 9: Jones can't be here.
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  Speaker 9: like a Jacobe Brissette maybe or someone like that to
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  Speaker 9: I just have concerns about that because you you have
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  Speaker 9: to find a stop gap at that point. I think
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  Speaker 12: back in the bocket, throws down Pay on a crab
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  Speaker 8: He ships one in across.
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  Speaker 12: The middle between the hashmatch at the thirty five and
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  Speaker 12: Mike makes the grab in front of the quarterback Jalen Jones.
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  Speaker 22: It's a nice job, Plimandre Stevenson. He's your scam back,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 22: so he steps up. But then he's helping you on
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 22: the blitz pick guy, but he's right over the left guard.
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  Speaker 22: And this is an eleven yard dart. That's a little game.
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  Speaker 22: They run in the middle and it's a really good
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  Speaker 22: throw by Jones to get the ball.
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  Speaker 7: Get sick.
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  Speaker 12: Jones fake's right back by right, loves it left here
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  Speaker 12: in the flats, caught by Elliot, runs right all the
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  Speaker 12: venders here sideline bow hand. He's night down in the
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  Speaker 12: open field from the saving tackle made by a diving
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 12: Jalen Jones.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little flip. There was no fake in the backfilm.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 8: Mack Jones is looking to give a little fake.
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  Speaker 22: It's pump right gets it backside to Elliott, and I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 22: thought Elliott had a chance to be gone, but it's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 22: the guy that comes back onto the field from the
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 22: outside the clips down seat.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 8: He thought he was gone. Gives it to Elliott pig
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  Speaker 8: Hole up the middle.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 12: Shep's a tackle at the twenty five and he's tackled
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 12: from behind, brought down by Tyler.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 8: Let's given. See Kayshawn Boody in the game.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 22: Here his first drive out there walking on the edge,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 22: Matt looks to his right.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: He's pressured.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 12: He moves up. Handy spun down covers that Mack's his
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 12: way into the sack. Dioe o'dangbo there for Gidian Appolo.
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  Speaker 22: See this is this is the problem with Juju has
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 22: to be elevated to beer number one. He's got nothing,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 22: He's got nothing in the lakes right now.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 12: Now the rookie Chad Ryland to kick it out of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 12: a mold of the rookie.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 8: Barringer from straight on.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 12: This kick from thirty eight yards and the kick is
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 12: airborne of the uprights and the kick is good. So
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 12: the Patriots get the game's first lead on the game's
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 12: opening possession, but they settle for three instead of six.
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  Speaker 5: From the half yard line across the.
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  Speaker 12: Leven Mount the mind shooting on a huddle, the ver
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  Speaker 12: race with Taylor behind it, heavy set to the right.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 12: Toss goes like Taylor, touch it under the right arm,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 12: bouncing outside, Courts on bitside in the end zone, out
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 12: its feet a touchdown of the lead for Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 8: No chance here.
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  Speaker 22: Sean Wade on a pick the tight end, the third
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 22: tight end they bring in, everyone has toss sweep it's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 22: Katie bar the door that's a lead block and just
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 22: completely spit. Stop wade around, easy flip. This is why
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  Speaker 22: you run ball instead of sneaking in. You have backs
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 22: that the how to get it in. Give it to them,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 22: want to drive by. The Colts got your on your
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 22: heels well led by Gardner Minch and he had the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 22: big throat to get it. Play on a third down j.
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  Speaker 12: Stas a yard deep and then the pickers come with
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 12: it all out rush and he puts it away and
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 12: then with nobody.
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  Speaker 15: Back to return the ball.
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  Speaker 12: Lad Shy of the thirty five bounces inside the twenty
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  Speaker 12: five rules, across the twenty and comes to a stop
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  Speaker 12: between the hashmarks at the seventeen of New England.
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  Speaker 8: He expins me, what they know what we're doing, all right?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 8: So you not have enough people on the field. That's
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: when hid to run the cycle. It's up to the
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  Speaker 8: twenty five because I.
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  Speaker 12: Think they took schooler from the jammer.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 8: To try to block, and he spun dout.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 12: Sack backs his way into the sack and Mack goes down,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 12: shripped up as he got away from the initial defender
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 12: and then just lost his balance and Mac is gonna
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 12: be sacked again. Jones dropping back, We're gonna throw. He's
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 12: pressured another sack on third down, gonna be.
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  Speaker 7: Hit a gag.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 8: He tries to escape. Let's go six feet pushing forward,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: but he has brought down at the lattest scrimmage away
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: not Ti fighting.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 12: Up his sack.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 22: Here's getting your tails, got just passed her picked down,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 22: then rush Year.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 12: They will saying, hey sack because there was no game,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 12: so a sack freighting out. This is a team that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 12: came in, by the way, with twenty two sacks in
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 12: nine games and now has.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 8: Five sacks in five series. I just sucks more fired
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 8: up for playing wonder off shot.
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  Speaker 12: That snap showed her high a four man rush. Minshew
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 12: moves up, throws on the go, ball's timpting.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 11: It does Bryan to timpting, Brian pitching and he has
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: a him midfield take away to New.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 8: England the second time this year. Tomorro's got it off
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 8: the tip right, talk about.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 22: Gilatnie Toby Police in the middle, finds the zone. Boy
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 22: was he open? Mitchen could have raid it even picked
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 22: it up. He decided to throw it to Vie with
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 22: the tip and Brian with the pick.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Get him do something.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 8: Now got the ball of midfield, snaps it back to Jones.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: He stands in the fox. I'm on hash out.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 12: Jonson now shovels it up, her hand on out and
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 12: Stevens angel on the mess.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 8: He's in complain landing on the.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 22: Turf at the twenty nine line, the critical juncture. It
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 22: is third down and you're filling the pressure again. Ball
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 22: should have been gone.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: Clocking your head. It's gotta be ticking.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: We've got to have an inturnal clock.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 9: It's a quarterback down there.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 22: Thing street up, one, two, three, balls gotta be gone. Nope,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 22: you step up and then you did for a flip,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 22: a dangerous one and for Mandre's.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: Tips to Stevens and chipped the ball away. Andre Stevens
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 8: in safest till two hands. He shoveled this ball in
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: the air falling to the ground. It's in it. It's
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: you can't explain it.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: It's in explain inexplicable what he just.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 12: Did playing fake by Jones dropping back, Tom Jones.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 11: Blow SAPs, put back foot long and black Man, who
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 11: missed an opportunity for an in zone figure air, takes
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 11: it away just short of the end zone and the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 11: Colts take over inside the five.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 8: I got to ask at some point, the repetitive.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 22: The reoccurring, critical, backbreaking mistake. You could be thirteen to fifteen,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 22: you could be control of the game, and you just
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 22: can't do this. It is a backthrow, non pressure, absolute
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 22: gift he gives the Colts.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: So it's not competitive.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 12: He ain't get sicky running behind the new put in
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 12: the back end zone in step.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 8: What's he's looking at? You gotta make a move, Bill,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 8: you gotta make a move.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 12: Five weeks here and here comes Bailey's Applets go, kid,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 12: you're here for the Patriots.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 8: It's the right call to make here, the right call.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: I knew when pick happened. He said, you gotta set
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: it down.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 12: Sappy played thirty snaps in seven series. In the weeks
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 12: four and five. You're leaving Jones late versus Dallas and
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 12: New Orleans, both runaway losses. Now he's got a chance
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 12: to engineer heroics. Put a long field to navigate down
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 12: for it from the fourteen. Zappi in his third appearance
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 12: of this season. Two l was a starter last year.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 12: Now when a relief he snaps it, takes the snap,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 12: he faked it, He throws down, pass it off, a
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 12: break up the ball and an interception by Rodney Thomas,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 12: the Patriots trying to fake the spike. Sappy quoted one
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 12: down the middle and Thomas rented all the.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 8: Way in center field. And the Golds are gonna celebrate
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: in Frankfurt. Whether it was the starter or the reliever
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: the last two series for the Patriots.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 22: And in an interception, Oh, I think we're at the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 22: point it's a hope de prier for the reliever at
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 22: that point. The problem is you see too much for
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 22: the starter in a way that's gone at too many
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 22: of those opportunities and games.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: We're head to the buy and it's time to make
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: a switch. And now the Golds at victory formation.
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  Speaker 12: Let me ask about that decision though, to call that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 12: play in that situation that those are the guy who's
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 12: just coming in of the game.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 22: Like I said, you're climbing them out here at that point,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 22: you know, no prep going in and all.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 12: That, but minshew taking the knee and the final snap
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 12: in Frankfurt, where the Patriots and the Colts in the.
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  Speaker 8: NFL fun in Germany with your Buddy concludes its schedule
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  Speaker 8: in Germany. Here it's twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 12: The site, the atmosphere, the fandom all lived up two,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 12: if not exceeded expectations, and the Patriots who came here
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 12: hoping to turn things around at least for the second
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 12: half of the season to avoid a three game losing streak.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: As a home team in Frankfurt.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 12: Fall in a fashion all too similar in twenty twenty three,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 12: so many of us. They dropped the decision ten to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 12: six to the Indianapolis Colts.
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  Speaker 1: All right back here in Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
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  Speaker 1: pass five hundred is the a sticking outline web radio
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  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. It's deuced Tamara,
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  Speaker 1: Evan Paul, myself back from Germany. We're talking, you know,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: it's we've quickly moved on from the game, and you know,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: we're really kind of talking about the buy and what's next.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: So let's get to some of these emails that are
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: coming in, lots of them. And you know, again, thank
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: you for all the fans that are sticking with us,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: both calling, emailing, coming to the games, watching on TV,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: buying the apparel. Uh that that's the best part of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: this whole thing is is the fans. And that's why
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: I was most. The thing that upset me the most
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: of not winning in Germany is that we let down
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: those fans. So can't get that back. Let's see Mike
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: writes in he says, love the show. Outside of the
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: two blowout losses, the other lie were within one score.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I was really hoping for wins against the Colts, Raiders,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: and Commanders. If we had taken those winnable games, we
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: would actually be in contention for a playoff spot. So
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: what is the reason it seems traditional Patriots strengths like
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: special teams, attention to detail in other words, no dumb penalties,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: receivers in the right spots, etc. And strong situational football
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: are no longer the norm. Definitely some very poor drafting,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: but is it also because of some poor work by
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: the more junior assistant coaches as well? Our Belichick's kids
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: good coaches. Is there a scouting problem Hubris by the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: head coach thoughts.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 9: I would say that for the most part, for the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: most part, if you look at teams that are bad,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 9: this is how it looks. Not every game is going
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 9: to be a thirty point blowout.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: Most games in the league are not.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 9: Right, So a lot of the time, even when a
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 9: team finishes two and fifteen or three and fourteen or
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 9: something like that, there's probably a handful of games that
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 9: are were coin flips and they and they could have
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: gone the other way had a couple of bounces or
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: a couple of things gone in their direction. But that
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 9: that's just the way it is. Like, I don't I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 9: don't think that that's too uncommon that a team that's
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 9: two and a has like three or four games that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 9: they probably could say, oh, well, you know, if Kai
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 9: Shan Boody gets his foot in bounds in week one,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 9: or if you know, they may they pick up that
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 9: lateral thing on fourth down against the Dolphins or like
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 9: what I think a lot of teams could.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Probably do that.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And in three of their eight losses were blowouts.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: They lost by multiple scores in three three games that's
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: a lot. You know that that means that you're probably
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: one of the lower echelon teams. And yeah, I agree
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: with Evan. I think you could talk yourself into having
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: a chance to win games. If you miraculously have a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: lateral to alignment down a touchdown in the last thirty
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: seconds of a game, you can say that what we
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: could have won, that we should have won that game.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: I'd argue you were a lot closer to losing one
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: of the games you won than winning that one.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be careful about what you say about one score
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: games because pretty much every Super Bowl was that.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: Pretty much every game in the league is going to
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: lead into that. I want to say seventy eight percent
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: of the games in League one score.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Most of these games are like that, you know. And
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: the difference between the good teams and the bad teams
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: is when the pressures down the stretch, they make the
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: plays and and the bad teams don't. And that's where
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are these days. They used to be a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: good team and they'd make those plays, and now they don't.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 10: I think that was what's most surprising, just that they
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 10: didn't take advantage of those opportunities down the end. I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 10: mean I felt pretty sure they were going to win
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 10: the game, you know, in regards to the defense. So
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 10: I I which game the game.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: Did I win?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: Which game? Did you say you felt pretty sure they
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: were going to win?
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 10: When they were sitting on the goal line with like
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 10: two minutes left and Mac was about to throw an
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 10: interception right before that pretty you know what's at that moment,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 10: I was like, I thought they were going to score
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 10: a touchdown.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: I didn't think they were going to Wait, there was
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of time left still. Yeah, I would say
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: to the defense, like five and a half minutes left
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: when that happened, was.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 9: It really yeah?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Colts took over.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: And got a first down.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: When the big happened, it was elevens.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 10: Haven't really done anything right the rest of the game.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 10: You thought, you felt pretty good the Colts were going
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 10: to put thought.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: I thought the Colts scored after every time the Patriots scored,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: and I think they would have done it again.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: He I know, he's like that. I felt that the
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Patriots had got a touchdown, they were going to win.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: I think the best they would have had was overtime.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: They might have held him to a field goal, but
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: I have no doubt that they would have gone down, And.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised that you're so sure about that.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: I just watched, I mean, because he thinks the defense stinks.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: That's his way of saying.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: I didn't think. First of all, I didn't think they
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: stunk on Sunday. I thought the defense played pretty well
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: on Sunday. But I think that there were opportunities that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: the Colts had every time they had the ball to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: move more than they did, and I think that they
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: would have probably moved. I'm judging on the last three years,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: not like just nothing, not like waiting for something bad.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: I'm interesting to see what you're said about the defense
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 9: because I have we haven't talked anything about the d Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean I said, I still, you know, I
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 10: kind of have confidence still in the defensive coaching staff.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 10: I just think that they don't have game changers upfront,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 10: and they don't have a pass rush guy who can.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: Win, and they couldn't finish.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then that was that was the biggest thing.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 18: You know.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 10: It's just it's they're trying their hardest, you know, with
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 10: key On White and I mean, but Barbour is really
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 10: the only pass rusher I feel like they have right
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 10: now who can win a one on one matchup and
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 10: actually get to the quarterback.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: It's not try to block him.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: He's not a rusher.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: No, he's a past Yeah.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: I mean he's the only one who he's not a
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: sack guy.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 10: But I you know, digging like yesterday, I kind of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 10: nerded out on a bunch of stats, but it just
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 10: it feels all like the twenty twenty defense to me
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 10: that they just they don't really have a stud upfront,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 10: and I think, you know, if they did, they probably
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 10: would have finished out Garderon Minshew a couple of times.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 10: But overall, I still think that they're playing pretty hard.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 10: They're they're they're doing pretty good job against the run.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: I think they're doing really well.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 10: They just don't have the horses right now, and I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 10: think that that's you know, what what this defense is at.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 10: But you know, put Jude On and Gonzales back in
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 10: the mix and I think you'd really, you know, start
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 10: to see a defense that's capable.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: If you're if you're a sack guy, Barmore is your
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: best friend, yeah, because he's gonna disrupt and he's gonna
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: the quarterback is gonna fall in just him.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: And doesn't move the needle. I mean, Evan and I
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 10: were talking about him. I mean we both kind of
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 10: saw the same thing with It's like, why is trying to.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: Power through guys like that is not his game.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 10: It's like he's small, he's quick, he should be trying
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 10: to get around guys and get the edge. But you know,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 10: Evan and I'll let him expound upon it, but he
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 10: had the point. A lot of times you couldn't tell
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 10: if they just had so little pass rush juice or
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 10: if they're really just trying to keep Gardner Minshew in
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 10: the pocket because they were that scared of letting him
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 10: get out, which is kind of curious.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, it doesn't know, it doesn't make sense,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: but they was gonna make a mistake. Yeah, I just
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: did once.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 9: I just thought that with I worry that he knows
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 9: that they want fundamentally sound edge setters, like guys that
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: are gonna keep contained and guys that are gonna set
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 9: the edge of the defense and things like that. And
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: when I watch him rush now, I just don't see
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 9: last year he had all these finesse moves, like like
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 9: he had a full Repertoirey yeah, like the yeah, I
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 9: mean exactly.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 9: You know, speed rush was obviously like his base, his foundation,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: but he had all sorts of stuff off of the speed.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 9: And now this year it's just like it's like a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 9: speed to power bull.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 10: Run into the wall and the guy just takes like
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 10: one step and is like, Okay, you're not going anywhere.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 9: And I just wonder if Dad has to do with
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 9: the fact that he's being coached to keep the guy
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 9: in the pocket and play that kind of football. And
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 9: if I was the Patriots at this point, I just
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 9: let him loose, like just like, get him, get after
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 9: the quarterback. If you lose contain, you lose contain.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Like Minshew doesn't seem like the guy that you have
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: to worry about that, No, just get it. I don't
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: get him.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: And I do think they played well on Sunday for
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: they kept them in the game. I mean, they gave
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: ten points.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 9: I thought they didn't play very well to be honest, Okay.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: I you know what I think of as a whole,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: And I thought, I don't want a nitpick because Fred
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: just gets mad at me and we get in Samantha arguments. Yeah,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: I thought the reason they only scored ten points is
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: because either Minshew miss guys or they dropped the pass
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: when he actually got it there.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 9: I watching it back, I sort of felt the same way.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: They were excellent against the Run.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 9: I couldn't agree more that they really shut down Run.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 9: They built the wall all game long, Guy God, show Wise,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: bar More. All those guys deserve a ton of credit
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 9: for how they held the line of scrimmage all and
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 9: did it all without Juwan Bentley.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: So a point that Mike and I hammered in the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: postgame show how impressive it was without the one guy.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that you'd expect to be a huge party. They
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 9: were really good upfront in this game, played really well.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 9: I thought the past defense exactly the same as it
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 9: did against the Commanders. And you know, Sam Howell just
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 9: made a few more plays than than Gardner made.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: There was opportunities for half dozen twenty plus yard plays
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: in that game that either Minch you missed or like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: the tight end dropped down the sideline.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but but how many of those do you feel
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 10: like we're like four seconds into the down because he
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 10: had been like scurrying and guys.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: But how many of them did you watch the replay
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: and see, why didn't you just throw it to this
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: guy right away? Oh yeah, And then he would scramble
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: and say, well, why did he throw it to that guy?
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: He's not open? Yeah, like I thought they could have
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: right down to the you know, you need you need
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: a three and out after you after you throw the
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: pick right, you want to get the ball back after
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: that three and out And it's third in less than
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: one and they call a fakacta center violation for no
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: reason at all. They showed the replay. You didn't move
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: the ball at all. Now it's third and six, you
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: gotta get off the field. Yeah, they got like a
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: thirty yard play to Josh down eight.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was that was the one that I highlighted.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 9: That's down.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: That's why I think if they gone ahead thirteen to ten,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: the best they would have had was overtime, because I
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: think now they're gonna throw the ball in every play.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: They're not gonna waste downs by running into a brick wall.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: They're gonna throw it in every play. They're gonna move
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: fifty yards and kick a field goal at minimum.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: Terrence from Colt's territories, I just want to say the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: trip over to Frankfurt was awesome. Too bad we had
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: to witness that crappy product on the field. We definitely
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: need a new quarterback because Mac is broken. It needs
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: a new change of scenery. Unlike most Patriots fans, I'm
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: putting all of these issues at the foot of the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: head coach, who most most people continue to give a pass.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: I know you as many people give him a pass,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: is give maca pass.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: I know you all can't say it because you work
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots, but I know deep down you have
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: to believe it's time for a change. Bill needs to go.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: I'm all for having a new voice within the organization
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: because this team will never evolve with his cheap and
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: stubborn way of doing things. I'll be totally happy with
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: an offensive minded coach to pair with the next quarterback.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: If Bill stays with the new quarterback, it will be
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: more of the same, trust me.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 7: So hopefully a free wheel in spending offensive.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, Rich and Santa Cruz, right Zin.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Sorry if you've already covered this, but as a fan,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I do not want to get rid of Bill. Being
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: a fan is about wins, sure, but it's also about
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: the characters. The people. Didn't we learn or listen about
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: kicking Brady out the door? Yes, Bill struggled with drafting
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: for the last decade, but there is so many factors
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: in that luck injury staff. If Brock Purdy doesn't show
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: that drafting can be a crapshoot, then I don't know
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: what does. Being a fan is not just wearing a
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Patriots jersey. Keep Bill, keep Billy, Oh, sit Mac now,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: and let's draft and empty the bank and draft picks
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: and trade draft picks for known players that have proven
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: themselves in the NFL. Still trusting Bill and loving having
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: our jerky, morose, cranky leader. He is the Patriots and
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: I love it. And I want to fly or drown
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: on this ship that has given us the best ride
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: we've had in football history and see if he can
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: turn it around.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: I just.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: Admirable loyalty.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, how many more?
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: No, I'm dead serious. How much more admirable loyalty?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 9: How many more losing seasons do we have to get
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 9: until we realized that he wasn't it? Can I just
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 9: like it wasn't him? Sorry, obviously, I.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: Think we all disagree with the sentiment, but I'm just
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: gonna pick up one particular part. Okay, so brock Purdy
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: is obviously shows you what a crapshoot it is, so
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: has nothing to do with anybody that works with brock
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: Purdy after that. Okay, So then why are we in
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: love with Bill Belichick, who had the same crapshoot come
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: in on Tom Brady? Because if we're not going to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: give Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco staff any credit
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: for what they're doing with brock Purty, then why are
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: we giving it to Bill for winning six titles with
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: a crap shoot at one ninety nine?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I tell you that crap shoot in the twenty
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 10: twenty two draft is just an absolute train wreck right now.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 10: I mean, I just Bill barn Yes, and he doesn't
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 10: even watch the games because he just refers to him
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 10: as like he refers to Cole Strange as like, oh,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: he's been in and out of the lineup, and like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 10: you don't have any clue what you're talking about if
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 10: that's all you're seeing with Cole Strange, Like he can't
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 10: play guards, Like that's the problem, not that he was in.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 9: And out of this somebody else.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: I ang Reduce is my new family.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 10: I mean he's standing next to DeForest Buckner. It looks
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 10: like his son, you know, like and that's how big
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 10: DeForest Buckner is. And he was just like just keep
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: going like he's giving him lessons, Like I'm sorry. Like
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 10: that whole draft class other than whatever Marcus Jones gives
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 10: you on punk returns is almost a complete and total wash.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: But we could have told you that at the time.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: But I liked about the Barnwell thing. It was eight years.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: It's not like, oh, he missed on that draft class
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: last year.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: It's eight years.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: They had like two players in the top three rounds.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 9: Other than Marcus Jones. They they overdrafted every single player
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 9: in that draft, Like Cole Strange was really a Day
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 9: two guy that they drafted in the first round, Taekwon
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: was really a Day three guy that they drafted in
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 9: the second round. And Marcus Jones was the only pick
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 9: that they went with the consensus guy. And he's the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 9: best player that you got in the draft.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: And really he's kind of just a punt returner, right yeah.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 9: And that's what as like a third round pick, Like
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 9: you'll you'll take what he's given you when he's healthy.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 9: But everybody else on that board was like we were
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 9: like a surprise, Like Paekwan was like, really like this
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 9: guy at fiftieth overall, and that wouldn't.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 10: Be surprised to see all of those people we just
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 10: named out of the mix next year if there was
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 10: you know, a complete like kind of reduce, so none
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 10: of those guys.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 9: With cold strange. I could not agree with you more.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's bad. I What I do wonder
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 9: with him is if he's a center. Yeah, and maybe
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 9: like when Andrews retires, if he takes over at center,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: because at center you can be as small.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: It's the last resort, right, That's that.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's nowhere else he's going, and he's not
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: going to running back.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Friend of the show frequent email caller spiin Fresno is
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: getting open heart surgery tomorrow. Yes, good luck to you.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Thoughts with you, he writes an he sees I felt
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: bad for Mac. He looked like a tortured soul on
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: the sidelines after the pick, even more than normal. I
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: figured Bill saw that and determined Mac was mentally too
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: checked out to see the field anyway. Last week, on
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two, Evant pointed to coaching points not getting
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: through the players as a problem with the players. Yes,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: the receivers are running five and a half yards when
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: they've been told to run six, that's their fault. But
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: communication is a two way street. Maybe Bill is stretched
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: too thin, or maybe he's delegating to the wrong people,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: But it's plausible that somewhere along the line the coaches
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: aren't the sort of communicators they need to be for
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: the players of today. That's a big reason to root
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: for a younger, modern coaching regime.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 9: REGINI yeah, I mean that was my That was my
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 9: entire point was like I think that people we have
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 9: callers that call in an emailers that that say, why
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 9: not just get a GM and pair him with Bill?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 9: And it's like I've watched this entire year and even
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 9: mostly last year too, What what is Bill good at
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 9: coaching anymore? Like where what about this team over the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 9: last two years says that coach is pretty good? Like
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 9: where where on the field have they been a well
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 9: coached team?
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 10: They're an eerr repeating team, which I think is probably
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 10: like the biggest indictment of what he's usually standing.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean on defense, if they send another like
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 9: nickel Blitz, where the guy just flies right by the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 9: quarterback and doesn't actually bring him down. I'm gonna lose
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: my mind. They can't. They don't tackle well on defense.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 9: They don't play like smart, fundamentally sound defense, you know,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 9: before the half, to Paul's point, like there's a wheel
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 9: route down the sideline that Jalen Mills just lets go.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 9: Like everybody else is playing main coverage except Jalen Mills,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 9: and they're all looking around at him after the play
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: like that that was your guy, dude, Like what do
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 9: you what are you doing? He thinks it's zone, so
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 9: he like plays the flat there the tight end just
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 9: runs right by him. That should have been a touchdown.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: I thought my my take on the defense was gonna
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: get attacked by evidently being too.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: And then also special teams is a disaster.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 9: Special teams is a disaster. They run zero blitzes now,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 9: where like there's just six guys open, like it's just
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 9: everybody's open on the play and there's no effect.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: I printed out some of the league stats, so do
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: you know that? I love that the twenty third their
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: receiving team. So their average starting drive is twenty third.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: In the league.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Uh there, that's their receiving team. They're kicking team.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: They average allowing the twenty seventh bet like they're not
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: good on kick return or kick off their punter. I
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  Speaker 5: probably won't be able to find that. Now is down
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  Speaker 5: in the lower third. Let's put that way. He is
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  Speaker 5: on the he is on the way up a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I see one on your back of your thing. There
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  Speaker 7: there's a highlight. Did you highlight something?
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  Speaker 5: No, those are just highlighted when the You never look
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  Speaker 5: at the stats when they send the Patriot. I don't
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  Speaker 5: have a color printer. They but they still highlights.
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  Speaker 7: That's what confused me. I thought you did extra work.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do any work.
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  Speaker 5: I just like for a team. Again, I know everybody
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  Speaker 5: said this, but for a team that carries itself like
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  Speaker 5: treating that third phase of the game as important as
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  Speaker 5: the other two.
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  Speaker 1: It's not.
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  Speaker 5: But they treat it that way and they still lag behind.
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  Speaker 9: If you can just tell me where, point to me
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  Speaker 9: where they're well coached. Yeah, point to me where they're
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  Speaker 9: a well coached team in any of the three phases the.
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  Speaker 5: Stout in two, gapping up front and stopping the run.
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  Speaker 9: There it is thank good job to Marcus can.
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  Speaker 5: I make one more point two about the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: two JAFT class.
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  Speaker 10: You know how he always you know, he always are like, well,
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  Speaker 10: you really got to wait three years, Like we don't
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  Speaker 10: have to wait through it. Like I'm like a year
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  Speaker 10: and a half, we're done. Like that draft class is done.
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  Speaker 10: It's Marcus Jones and what it does.
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  Speaker 5: Last year, how people talked about this draft class, Well,
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  Speaker 5: you gotta starting guard. He's gonna plug plug and play
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  Speaker 5: to plug and play. And you got Thornton, he can fly.
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  Speaker 5: Look what he was doing before he got it slow start,
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  Speaker 5: but then look what he did against Cleveland. Another hit,
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  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones, dynamic all pearl Putt returner, won a game
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  Speaker 5: for you look at him. Jack Jones picked six on
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  Speaker 5: on Aaron Rodgers. That was the draft class. And we
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: didn't have to wait three years then, right, we don't
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  Speaker 5: know now Deuce has gotta.
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  Speaker 9: Right now.
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  Speaker 5: But everybody was telling us how negative we were last year.
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  Speaker 9: I'm too harsh on cold Strange. It's like, do you
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  Speaker 9: watch the game?
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  Speaker 10: I mean, you feel pretty confident about he will not
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  Speaker 10: be a starting guard for the team next year.
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  Speaker 9: He will not be the start he shouldn't be. I
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 9: mean the guy, the guy that they drafted in the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 9: fourth round is already better than he is.
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  Speaker 5: Right, So you think it'd be Mafi and so I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, but it ain't gonna be him.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey and Canada, I get it. I get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the talk will be Mack this week, which is deserved. However,
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  Speaker 1: I think ownership needs to stay focused on the root
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  Speaker 1: cause of all this, which for me is Belichick. Mike
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  Speaker 1: is right. It's the drafts, where he has been picking
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  Speaker 1: the wrong players over and over for about a decade.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: It's defenders will name the two to three good players
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  Speaker 1: he's got like a blind squirrel, but ten years, six
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  Speaker 1: plus picks per year, and almost nothing to show for it.
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  Speaker 1: It's been mentioned on this show that Bill despises the
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: current college game, but news flash, ninety nine percent of
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: the players who play NFL football come from college football. Now,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: ten years later, all the other teams have evolved and
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: know what players to draft that will work. Based on
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  Speaker 1: his track record, Bill can't you can't miss on ninety
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  Speaker 1: percent of your picks and say you know what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Does anyone in this show see any way? Bill is
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: still with the Patriots next year.
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  Speaker 5: It's getting harder to think that, but yeah, I don't know.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: Be interesting. And just to be clear, Bill has always
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: hated the college game. That's not a new phenomenon. He
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: doesn't hate the he doesn't hate the current college game.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: He's always hated college football. Screens, go routes. That's what
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: he used to say all the time. This is back
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: in like three when he would talk to him big plays, turnovers.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's like, I'm a product to college football, not
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 9: a fan. I agree with that.
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  Speaker 10: The pageantry you need the professional football players who are
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 10: going to take it.
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  Speaker 5: So I got to tell you, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 5: This is probably not good to bring up in one
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  Speaker 5: fifty seven, but I think the current game right now
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: this season hasn't been.
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  Speaker 7: Great, the scoring being down.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: I don't find the scoring.
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  Speaker 5: Being down because I'm not a big I gotta have
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: like a forty one to thirty. I mean Detroit, the
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: Detroit Chargers game was fantastic to watch the other day,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: But I don't want every game like that. That was
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: like a one off, two good offenses going head to head,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: making plays all over the place. Now, part of me
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: was still sitting there saying, why the hell are they
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: not double team in Keenan Allen. You know, why are
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: you letting him catch like thirteen balls from one hundred
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: and eighty yards and two touchdowns or whatever it was.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 9: Guy still play as well, you know, but like one hamstring.
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  Speaker 9: I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think the league. I don't think the games
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: have been great now.
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  Speaker 9: There's not enough padded practices, Like I know that people
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 9: don't want it, Like I understand everybody's got the same
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 9: playing field. Yeah, everybody's got the same playing field, so
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 9: they all stink like you got the offensive line player
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 9: around the around the league is an epidemic, like they
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 9: nobody can block anybody. They they have to find a
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 9: way in the summertime to have more padded practices, obviously safely,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 9: like no one wants to get hurt, No one wants.
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  Speaker 5: The injuries have also been huge this year, and I
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: know it's probably the same as always, but it just
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: seems like there's been a lot of serious injuries this year.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, do you think that this is a red
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 10: flag to the league of how do we pick scoring
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 10: back up? I mean, it seemed like they've been so
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 10: intent on that la.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't I don't necessarily. Like I said,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily upset with the caliber play because the
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: scoring is down. I just don't think that it's been,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: you know, down, because the defenses are really good.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 10: The games have probably been close though to there's got
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 10: to be a stat out there about how games have
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 10: probably been.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there was six there were six game winning
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 5: walk off field goals. That's a record this weekend, just
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: this weekend. So maybe they are going to get any
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: of these people on the phone.
• 1:58:40
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