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INTERVIEW: Gov. Wes Moore Calls Out Congress, Talks Kilmar Abrego Garcia, Enriching Black Businesses + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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Speaker 2: Breakfast club.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's the world's most dangerous wanting to show to
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Speaker 3: breakfast club. Charlamagne the God just hilarious. Envy is out
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Speaker 3: but laurn l Ross And we have the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: eight presidential candidate and the governor of Maryland.
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Speaker 2: Wes moorees here. How are you my brother back man?
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be bad.
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Speaker 3: Good to have you back, man. How you feeling. First
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Speaker 3: of all, I'm feeling great. Okay, I'm feeling great, man.
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Speaker 1: Listen. And you know, contrary to everything else going on
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Speaker 1: in the country, Maryland's doing great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We continue pushing, I mean, honestly, like getting really big
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Speaker 1: wins for our people, and so we're we're excited.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to.
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Speaker 3: Talk to you about all of that because you know,
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Speaker 3: I know that you're implementing a lot of great things
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Speaker 3: in Maryland, and I wonder what could be replicated on
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Speaker 3: a national level to protect us from a lot of
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Speaker 3: things that this administration is doing that hurt working class
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Speaker 3: people especially.
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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, I mean, I think right now
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Speaker 1: we're seeing you know, people you keep on talking about
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Speaker 1: what's the power of the president and how the presidency.
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Speaker 1: I think people all see right now, what's the power
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Speaker 1: of governors, what's the power of states? We have a
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Speaker 1: whole lot more authority than people sometimes give us credit for,
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Speaker 1: but frankly a whole lot more power and authority than
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Speaker 1: think a lot of governors understanding can take on. So,
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Speaker 1: for example, you know, Maryland has more exposure to these
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Speaker 1: federal cuts, the federal public service cuts that the Trump
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Speaker 1: administration is just arbitrarily and in many cases by the
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Speaker 1: way illegally doing. And so what Maryland has done, We've
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Speaker 1: come up with the most aggressive plan to be able
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Speaker 1: to say, how are we going to streamline and support
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Speaker 1: our federal workers, create advanced supports for them, but also
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Speaker 1: making sure that we can streamline them into available state
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Speaker 1: jobs that we need. So, for example, there are tens
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Speaker 1: of thousands of vacancies when it comes to credentialed educators
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Speaker 1: inside of the state of Maryland. We have thousands of
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Speaker 1: people in healthcare, nurses, etc. That we have as vacancies
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Speaker 1: in the state of Maryland. So I'm like, so, if
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Speaker 1: people who are qualified and who are interested, we're going
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Speaker 1: to streamline them, get them trained up, credentilled, and get
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Speaker 1: them inside of the classrooms, get them inside of our
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Speaker 1: health care facilities, because you're solving two problems, right, You're
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Speaker 1: solving a fact that we have a shortage of people
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Speaker 1: in education healthcare and at the same time creating jobs.
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Speaker 1: You're creating jobs, right. So I look at how Maryland
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Speaker 1: has moved now in just these first months where Maryland
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Speaker 1: now is going on really a fourteenth straight month of
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Speaker 1: amongst the lowest unemployment rates in the entire country. Maryland
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Speaker 1: has now has an unemployment rate of three percent, which
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Speaker 1: is below well below the national average, despite the fact
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Speaker 1: that we've had more federal cuts because the Trump administration
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Speaker 1: than most other states. And so I'm just like, as
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Speaker 1: as governors, you can be creative about making sure that
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Speaker 1: you can get your economy moving. You can be creative
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Speaker 1: about how you getting new businesses on board, about how
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Speaker 1: you're supporting your small businesses, how you're supporting your minority
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Speaker 1: owned businesses, and you don't have, like I don't wait
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Speaker 1: for permission from the federal government to do anything. And
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think that's the kind of posture
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Speaker 1: that you're watching governors now able to move in.
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Speaker 3: Am how do you continue to do that if somebody
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Speaker 3: like Trump says, you know what, we're not sending no
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Speaker 3: more federal aid to Maryland.
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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the money come from.
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Speaker 2: He's done that, okay, So so where's the money coming from.
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Speaker 1: Well, the money comes from you're actually having to build
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Speaker 1: coalitions with the private sector, you're building coalitions with with
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Speaker 1: your other independent partners. It also comes from making sure
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Speaker 1: that you're being creative about who your partner is actually
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Speaker 1: going to be. So for example, you know, I've said
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Speaker 1: very clearly, we've got to make sure that we're focusing
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Speaker 1: our economy on growth. You know. You know, we've gone
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Speaker 1: from this year loan, Maryland has gone from a three
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Speaker 1: and a half structural debth three and a half billion
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Speaker 1: dollars structural deficit that I inherited. So now Maryland has
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Speaker 1: a structural surplus, right. And part of the reason we're
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Speaker 1: able to do it is two reasons. One, we're able
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Speaker 1: to be very strategic about our budget and really have
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Speaker 1: some strategic cuts. There's about two and a half billion
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Speaker 1: dollars of cuts in Maryland's budget, the largest amount of
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Speaker 1: cuts that we've seen in sixteen years. But also what
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Speaker 1: we're doing is investing in new industries. You know, I
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Speaker 1: just came back from a trade mission in Japan and
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Speaker 1: Korea where we were talking with companies and life sciences
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Speaker 1: and IT and aerospace and defense. I'm going anywhere and
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Speaker 1: everywhere where we think there's unique opportunities and partnerships to
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Speaker 1: build our economy and then build an economy that diversifies
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Speaker 1: off of Washington, DC. And so we've just been very
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Speaker 1: intentional and focused when I've said, listen, I will work
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Speaker 1: with anyone that includes the federal government, but I will
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Speaker 1: bow down to no one. And we are going to
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Speaker 1: make sure we're going to protect our people and make
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Speaker 1: sure that our economy grows.
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Speaker 4: And you all be wondering why I act like that,
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Speaker 4: Me and him act the same way.
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Speaker 5: Now that was his version of Instagram Live.
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Speaker 1: You already know, you already know.
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Speaker 3: Now how would you How would you graide Trump's first
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Speaker 3: hundred days back in offs?
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I don't even need to because I
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Speaker 1: talk to the people. You know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: They told me the grade.
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Speaker 1: When I'm talking to to the farmers in the Eastern
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Speaker 1: Shore who watched all their prices get jacked up. Whether
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Speaker 1: you're the poultry farmer, where you're the barley farmer farms
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Speaker 1: that have been around, and and agriculture is actually Maryland's
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Speaker 1: largest industry. Farms that have been around for over one
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Speaker 1: hundred years, who now say, I don't know if I
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Speaker 1: can survive the next six months. Right, I go talk
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Speaker 1: to the poor workers down to the Port of Baltimore,
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Speaker 1: you know, and that's one of the largest and most
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Speaker 1: effective ports in the entire country. Two thirds of the
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Speaker 1: country gets their goods from the Port of Baltimore, either
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Speaker 1: import or export. Right. And I talk to them who
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Speaker 1: are now watching a significant pullback in goods, which means
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Speaker 1: less hours for them, which means less work for them.
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Speaker 1: I talk to everybody who's going out to grocery stores
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Speaker 1: and watching rising prices. I talk to people whose job
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Speaker 1: it is to make sure that our food is protected,
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Speaker 1: Federal workers making sure that they're doing focusing on cybersecurity,
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Speaker 1: making sure that veterans are getting a proper burial, who.
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Speaker 2: Now are out of a job.
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Speaker 1: Ask them how Trump is going. I'm say, how the
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Speaker 1: first hundred days is going.
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Speaker 3: I'm no Joe Biden fan, but when I heard Trump
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Speaker 3: say yesterday that the GDP, the falling GDP, was Biden's fault,
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Speaker 3: I'm like.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's just not true.
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Speaker 3: What would you say to people, because you know more
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Speaker 3: about this than any of what would you say to
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Speaker 3: people when you hear that, when people say, well, that's
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Speaker 3: Biden's GDP.
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Speaker 1: Listen, you can't when when the stock market jumps, you
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Speaker 1: can't take credit, and when the stock market falls, you can't.
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Speaker 1: You can't deploy, you deploy blame. That's not the way
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Speaker 1: this game goes. You know, when you're the chief executive,
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Speaker 1: you take the good and the bad. That's part of
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Speaker 1: the job. That's what leadership actually means. And you cannot
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Speaker 1: look at the policies that have come on board those
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Speaker 1: thus far from this administration, the impact that it's had
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Speaker 1: on people and pretend like, well, that's someone else's fault.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's fundamentally not true. And if Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: wants to try to take credit for things that go well,
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Speaker 1: he also has to take blame for the fact that
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Speaker 1: this is the first time that we've seen our economy contract,
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Speaker 1: our economy gets smaller since two thousand and two. So
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Speaker 1: you know, if Joe Biden in two thousand and two
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Speaker 1: could have turned around and said, well, that's actually Trump's economy,
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Speaker 1: but he didn't because he actually chose to lead. Well,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump take on that same responsibility. I understand this
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Speaker 1: is yours what.
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Speaker 5: Things because I know you did the service your option. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: so you know, workforce is really important to you. But
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Speaker 5: in the firste hundred days, I'm looking at an article
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Speaker 5: that says one of the big effects to Maryland is
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Speaker 5: that one in every ten workers in the state is
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Speaker 5: employed by the federal government, and almost half of Maryland's
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Speaker 5: federal workers live in Montgomery and Prince Georgia's county. And
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Speaker 5: a lot of those people are gonna lose jobs. It's
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Speaker 5: going to heavily affect black people's right. So what initiatives
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Speaker 5: are you preparing now? Because they want those hits are happening,
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Speaker 5: they're going to fill it and you know what I mean,
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Speaker 5: in real time they won't need money and work they.
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Speaker 1: Are and you know, and we've actually been really aggressive
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Speaker 1: when it comes to not just protecting federal workers, but
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Speaker 1: also looking at the you know, when you look at
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Speaker 1: the racial wealth gap that is in the state of Maryland,
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Speaker 1: for example, you know, when I was first inaugurated, and
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Speaker 1: we've actually been able to address it when we come
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Speaker 1: on board, But it was eight to one when I
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Speaker 1: first became the governor, and I'm you know, I'm the
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Speaker 1: only black governor of the country, the first black governor
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Speaker 1: of the history of the State of Maryland, and only
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Speaker 1: the third African American ever elected governor in the history
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Speaker 1: of this country. And so when I came on and
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Speaker 1: said we have to address the racial wealth gap, the
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Speaker 1: fact that in our state it's eight to one, I
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Speaker 1: was like, the reason we have a racial wealth gap
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Speaker 1: is of a to one is not because one group
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Speaker 1: is working eight times harder. I mean, like, these are policies,
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Speaker 1: these are systems that are put in place that have
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Speaker 1: allowed certain groups to be able to gain wealth and
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Speaker 1: certain groups not right. And so we came in very
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Speaker 1: clear that we're coming to the focus of work, wages,
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Speaker 1: and wealth. When we came on board, and when we
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Speaker 1: talked about work and meant doing things like investing in
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Speaker 1: the service year option for every high school graduate now
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Speaker 1: is a chance to have a paid year service to
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Speaker 1: the State of Maryland. That we have made a historic
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Speaker 1: investments and apprenticeship programs. We have quadrupled the amount of
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Speaker 1: apprentices in the State of Maryland. And basically saying that
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Speaker 1: while four year college degrees are great, not everyone needs
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Speaker 1: to have one in order to be economically successful. And
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Speaker 1: we got a pipeline people into real occupations, trade school
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Speaker 1: trade schools, you know what I'm saying, and starting early
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Speaker 1: with that process with young people, because that not every
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Speaker 1: person Like listen, I joined the army when I was seventeen,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And you know I went
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Speaker 1: to a two year college and things worked out pretty well.
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Speaker 1: So we have to make sure that everybody knows that
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Speaker 1: their path doesn't have to be the same, but their
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Speaker 1: path can be uniquely theirs and they can benefit from it.
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Speaker 1: That we've been able to pass not just the most
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Speaker 1: comprehensive procurement reform built in the history of the state
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Speaker 1: of Maryland, making sure that we're actually properly and evenly
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Speaker 1: allocating capital to small businesses, black businesses. Over three billion
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Speaker 1: dollars have gone to black businesses and MBE since I've
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Speaker 1: been the governor. Right, eighty six percent of all Maryland
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Speaker 1: contracts now require some form of MBE participation in it,
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Speaker 1: and that number was at thirty five percent Minority Business ENTERPRISEECT. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So making sure we're being very clear that if we're
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Speaker 1: going to use state dollars, which by the way, oftentimes
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Speaker 1: is capital that's coming from from African American dax bayers
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Speaker 1: that we need to make sure that we're being even
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Speaker 1: and we're being fair about the way we're talking about
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Speaker 1: allocation of that capital that we have done. Not just
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Speaker 1: signed the largest part in in the history of the
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Speaker 1: United States, one hundred and seventy five thousand part in,
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Speaker 1: the largest mass part in the history of this country
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Speaker 1: for misdemeanor cannabis convictions. I just signed a bill on
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Speaker 1: expungement on sponge reform, the most comprehensive exponge reform that
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Speaker 1: our state has ever seen, on a bill that I
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Speaker 1: introduced and that I proudly signed that focus on making
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Speaker 1: sure we can give people a second chance and actually
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Speaker 1: clean their records. And so we've been very clear that
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Speaker 1: being able to add a culture of repair is something
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Speaker 1: that is really important to us because when when we
10:07
Speaker 1: all do better, we all do better, and and and
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Speaker 1: and racism is really expensive and we're really trying to
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Speaker 1: address that in the state of Maryland. I'm proud of
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Speaker 1: the progress for making Jesse.
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Speaker 2: You're you're from Maryland.
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Speaker 6: I am, and I want to ask you, how is
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Speaker 6: it working with Mayor Brandon Scott Baltimore. Yes, my god,
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Speaker 6: Maryland is leading right now with black excellent. Shout out
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Speaker 6: to Angela also Brooks the most talked about most and
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Speaker 6: we got a lot going on in Baltimore.
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Speaker 4: We got the C I double A. Is that continuing?
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Speaker 1: Do you know? Yes, we we want C I double
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Speaker 1: A and we want that to be c I double
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Speaker 1: A b out of Baltimore at the end of it. Though, no,
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Speaker 1: it's not.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to a lot of people said, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 5: don't don't talk about Sorry, how about it's never come
10:54
Speaker 5: to Delaware.
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Speaker 6: So okay, you got that one.
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Speaker 1: Baltimore's got a better build up right now. Baltimore is
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Speaker 1: going to generate more economic activity. Baltimore City, for example,
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Speaker 1: right now has the seventh fastest growing economy in the
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Speaker 1: entire country. If you look at what's happening in Baltimore City,
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Speaker 1: Baltimore City is on a rise. And we were very clear.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. When I first ran, I was like,
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Speaker 1: we've got to put a real focus on Baltimore, and
11:20
Speaker 1: people is like, of course, you say that you're a
11:21
Speaker 1: Baltimore and you're a Homer. I was like, I'm not
11:22
Speaker 1: saying it because I'm Baltimore, and I say it because
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Speaker 1: I'm very good at math. Tell me a single state
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Speaker 1: that is clicking on all cylinders and the city and
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Speaker 1: the state's largest city is not. And the answer is
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Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. That you got to invest in your
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Speaker 1: largest city. In that case, in the state of Maryland,
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Speaker 1: it's Baltimore. And so Baltimore if you look at what's
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Speaker 1: happening again, the seventh fastest growing economy in the entire country,
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Speaker 1: the Hamas the violent crime rate in Baltimore City in
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Speaker 1: the state of Maryland. Maryland's having amongst the fastest and
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Speaker 1: most impressive drops in violent crime anywhere in the entire country.
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Speaker 1: Baltimore City before I became the governor, when eight straight
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Speaker 1: years of three hundred plus homicides in Baltimore City. Now,
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Speaker 1: the homicide rate in Baltimore City, the last time it
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Speaker 1: was this slow, I wasn't born yet. Wow, it is
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Speaker 1: literally having amongst the fastest drops in violent crime anywhere
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Speaker 1: in America. So so shout out to to Mayor Scott,
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Speaker 1: shout out to the entire team, because you know, this
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Speaker 1: is this really is this is going to be this
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Speaker 1: is going to be Maryland's decade. But in order for
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Speaker 1: it to be Maryland's decade, it's got to be Baltimore's time.
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Speaker 3: To baltimore'slother Nick's Fish House in Baltimore. They just showed
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Speaker 3: me some lov and all this. I want to shout
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Speaker 3: them much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to interview with the governor, just because.
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Speaker 4: The only thing that can hurt you and Maryland right
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Speaker 4: now is the Poland? So what'll be doing.
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Speaker 7: About that Poland?
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Speaker 1: Is bad? I wish there was an executive board I could.
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Speaker 7: Sunt on that way.
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Speaker 2: You know what I love about Maryland.
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Speaker 3: A couple of months ago, I was in Maryland for
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Speaker 3: my daughter's cheerleading competition.
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Speaker 2: I was a what's that place called? Just National Harbor
12:46
Speaker 2: was it?
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Speaker 3: And literally that's the first time people were coming up
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Speaker 3: to me saying, Yo, with everything that Elon Musk and
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Speaker 3: Doge is doing.
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Speaker 2: Don't I don't know if I'm gonna have a job.
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Speaker 2: My wife don't know if she's gonna have a job.
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Speaker 3: And these were just regular every day working class people
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Speaker 3: that was so concerned and they probably did ended up
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Speaker 3: end up losing their jobs because ten thousands of jobs
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Speaker 3: got lost.
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Speaker 2: And so I was like damn man.
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Speaker 3: That's what really made me realize what they were doing
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Speaker 3: was impacting you know, every day working class people in
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Speaker 3: that way.
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Speaker 1: And what they're doing is illegal. Yes, I mean, listen,
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Speaker 1: if you look at every one of these decisions that
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is making, and let's be clear, when people
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Speaker 1: say he's passing all these bills, no he's not. Actually
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Speaker 1: there's hardly any bills as this executive orders executive orders
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Speaker 1: right over one hundred and fifty executive orders, and all
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Speaker 1: of his executive orders can really fall into three different categories. Right,
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Speaker 1: it's ineffective, it's performative, or it's illegal. Right, those are
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Speaker 1: the three buckets that every one of his executive orders
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Speaker 1: really pretty much fall into. And the problem is is
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about all these cuts and you're talking
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Speaker 1: about the elimination of the Department of Education, do you
13:54
Speaker 1: know what, Donald Trump does not have the authority to
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Speaker 1: eliminate the Department of Education in latterly, that's Congress, right,
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Speaker 1: because Congress is the one that that allocates the capital
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Speaker 1: for it. So this is actually a moment when we
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Speaker 1: need to see Congress have a spine. We need to
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Speaker 1: see Congress step up, because right now Congress. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: the president is chumping you. He's pretending like you don't
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Speaker 1: even exist. So I'm really curious to see is Congress
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Speaker 1: going to step up and do its job?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, they already I mean a lot of them
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Speaker 2: have already had been.
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Speaker 1: The need completely benefiting completely benthany do you I.
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Speaker 3: Have conversations like that? Is it worth you calling them
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Speaker 3: out publicly? Especially you know Democrats in Congress?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and not not only is it worth that
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Speaker 1: we do? And and I think and and and actually
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Speaker 1: in shout out, I mean our congressional delegation, uh, you know, actually,
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Speaker 1: led by Senator Chris van Holland Angelo also Brooks, is
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Speaker 1: actually doing a really good job because I think our
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Speaker 1: Congression delegation is really helping to hold the line on
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Speaker 1: a lot of these things, on a whole collection of
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Speaker 1: different issues. But but but Congress is the one that
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Speaker 1: that fundamentally has to pass a budget. Congress is the
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Speaker 1: one that fundamentally has to make sure that laws can
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Speaker 1: get to a president's desk. Congress is the one that
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Speaker 1: needs to make sure they actually hold on to their authority.
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Speaker 1: And we need in this moment, we need leaders to lead.
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Speaker 1: That's what we need. And that's again one of the
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Speaker 1: really I think unique things that we're saying about governors
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Speaker 1: right now is that we have a chance to uniquely
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Speaker 1: show a different way. We have a chance to show,
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Speaker 1: you know what, even in this time of chaos, we
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Speaker 1: can still drive the fact that in Maryland we're having
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Speaker 1: historically low unemployment rates, that even in this time of chaos,
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Speaker 1: that we are having historic drops in violent crime within
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Speaker 1: our state, that even in this time, even in this
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Speaker 1: time of chaos, we're still able to pass legislation that
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Speaker 1: is not just important, but also is scalable and can
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Speaker 1: take place around the country. So that's a great thing
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Speaker 1: about being a chief executive in this moment, But we
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Speaker 1: still need Congress to do his job.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: When you see the power that Trump wields, right like
15:48
Speaker 3: we had congressman I agreeing up here, and I was
15:50
Speaker 3: like I said to him, I said, Man, I didn't
15:52
Speaker 3: even know presidents had this kind of power, And he was.
15:54
Speaker 2: Like, neither did I.
15:55
Speaker 3: So when you see the kind of power that he wills,
15:58
Speaker 3: is it make you push the levels of your power
16:01
Speaker 3: as governor? Do you use like, well, damn, let me
16:03
Speaker 3: see what I can do?
16:04
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I Actually, I think the things that
16:06
Speaker 1: we were doing even before Donald Trump came out is
16:10
Speaker 1: I've always been wanting to say I'm always gonna push
16:12
Speaker 1: to make sure that we are doing justice to a job.
16:15
Speaker 1: You know. I keep a clock that sits on my
16:18
Speaker 1: desk every single day that tells me how many days
16:21
Speaker 1: I have left in my first turn and I'm gonna
16:23
Speaker 1: running back because I'm running for re election in twenty six,
16:26
Speaker 1: but it tells me, in fact, right now, it's six
16:29
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty four days left before my reelection. The
16:32
Speaker 1: reason I keep that clock on my desk is it
16:34
Speaker 1: reminds me, do not waste a day.
16:36
Speaker 2: Man.
16:37
Speaker 1: You got six hundred and thirty four days right now
16:40
Speaker 1: until this time is up and someone else eventually will
16:43
Speaker 1: sit in the seat as the governor Maryland. I'm not
16:46
Speaker 1: going to waste a day. And so I do think
16:48
Speaker 1: that our ability to be able to be creative about
16:51
Speaker 1: the levers that we're using to make change, the levers
16:54
Speaker 1: that we're using to make sure that we were doing
16:56
Speaker 1: important things like raising a minimum wage in the state
16:59
Speaker 1: of Maryland, because I want you to be the days
17:00
Speaker 1: when you have people who are working jobs, and in
17:02
Speaker 1: some cases multiple jobs, and still living at or below
17:05
Speaker 1: a poverty line. Right, that we are going to make
17:07
Speaker 1: sure we're aggressive about doing things like funding having a
17:09
Speaker 1: storic funding of childcare because parents shouldn't have to decide
17:12
Speaker 1: between is my kid gonna be okay? Or can I
17:15
Speaker 1: go back to the workforce?
17:17
Speaker 2: Right, that's why Jess was off for so long that
17:19
Speaker 2: none knows.
17:19
Speaker 1: But but this is real. This is a this is
17:21
Speaker 1: a real thing. I mean, it's situations like my mom, my, mom, mom.
17:25
Speaker 1: I I was raised by an immigrant single mother who
17:28
Speaker 1: worked three different jobs and did not get her first
17:32
Speaker 1: job that gave her benefits until I was fourteen years old.
17:34
Speaker 2: She was Jamaican, right, that's right, Yeah, that's common for
17:38
Speaker 2: Jamaica's one job that you wanted to do that.
17:46
Speaker 1: Part time. But I mean, like, but but, and here's
17:50
Speaker 1: the thing about it. This is a woman who went
17:53
Speaker 1: on to earn a master's degree and didn't get her
17:55
Speaker 1: first job that gave her benefits until her son was fourteen.
17:59
Speaker 1: So when people are having conversations about inequitable pay between
18:03
Speaker 1: men and women or the racial wealth gap, I tell
18:05
Speaker 1: people like I don't need a white paper to explain it,
18:08
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I grew up in
18:09
Speaker 1: this that when we're doing the work that we're doing
18:12
Speaker 1: right now in the state of Maryland around young men
18:13
Speaker 1: and boys, about making sure that we are protecting our
18:16
Speaker 1: young men and boys and making sure we are lifting
18:18
Speaker 1: them up. Because it's not just because when you look
18:20
Speaker 1: at the data, how drastic and staggering some of this
18:24
Speaker 1: data is that we're seeing right now around on young
18:25
Speaker 1: men and boys. It's because I came up in this.
18:29
Speaker 1: I was eleven years old when I had handcuffs on
18:31
Speaker 1: my wrists, So I get this, and so our ability
18:34
Speaker 1: to now use these seats and use these moments and
18:37
Speaker 1: not waste a single day is something that I take very,
18:40
Speaker 1: very seriously. And frankly, I didn't need Donald Trump to
18:43
Speaker 1: show me the power of the executive because I think
18:46
Speaker 1: in Maryland we've been showing the power of an executive.
18:48
Speaker 1: You know for the past two years.
18:51
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on Trump not wanting to bring
18:54
Speaker 6: home kill mar Garcia because he was living in Maryland.
18:57
Speaker 4: I was the guy that was wrong to report it.
18:59
Speaker 1: And here's the thing for me, this actually has nothing
19:02
Speaker 1: to do with immigration, because people will talk about this
19:05
Speaker 1: is a you know, I love what he's doing right, immigration,
19:07
Speaker 1: I said, well, first of all, if Donald Trump really
19:10
Speaker 1: wanted to fix immigration, he could do it simply by
19:12
Speaker 1: calling up Speaker Johnson and saying, I need a comprehensive
19:15
Speaker 1: immigration bill on my desk next week. And you know
19:17
Speaker 1: we'll be on his desk next week, a comprehensive of
19:19
Speaker 1: immigration built. Because Donald Trump is the votes, he's got
19:22
Speaker 1: the House, and he's got the Senate. This has nothing
19:24
Speaker 1: to do with immigration. This just simply has to do
19:27
Speaker 1: with violating the constitution.
19:29
Speaker 2: That's what this is.
19:30
Speaker 1: And so when I think about the case of Abregio Garcia,
19:34
Speaker 1: my point is this due process matters in this. He
19:38
Speaker 1: needs to come home, he needs to stand trial and
19:41
Speaker 1: then let a judge decide what is what the long
19:45
Speaker 1: term what you know, what is what is what is
19:47
Speaker 1: long term? You know a situation is going to be
19:50
Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. You know, if they say, well he
19:53
Speaker 1: was doing X, Y and Z okay, fine, let him
19:56
Speaker 1: come home, let him stand trial, and let him do
19:59
Speaker 1: what basic due process offers to every single person. And
20:03
Speaker 1: if all of that determined is true, then absolutely he
20:07
Speaker 1: should then face consequences and face the sentencing. But but
20:10
Speaker 1: not because Donald Trump looked at a photoshop picture and
20:13
Speaker 1: said this is going to be his fate because that
20:15
Speaker 1: is a very very dangerous slippery slope. And so my
20:18
Speaker 1: whole thing is this, just follow the Constitution, follow due process,
20:23
Speaker 1: and follow what the Supreme Court in a nine zero
20:26
Speaker 1: decision said that he needs to come home and stand trial.
20:29
Speaker 1: I just I stand with the law on thiss and
20:31
Speaker 1: I stand with the Constitution correct me.
20:33
Speaker 3: On some things, right because they mister Garcia has acknowledged
20:36
Speaker 3: that he entered the US illegally in twenty twelve, So
20:39
Speaker 3: was he he.
20:40
Speaker 1: Was here illegally, that's he was undocumented, That's right.
20:42
Speaker 3: So if he's undocumented, does the Constitution still apply to him?
20:45
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, there's still constitutional protections, okay, and and and
20:49
Speaker 1: not only and especially because what he is being held
20:52
Speaker 1: for or tried for right now are things that he
20:55
Speaker 1: has not not only not been convicted for, not even
20:58
Speaker 1: had a formal accusation of. So this is the problem,
21:01
Speaker 1: is that so Donald Trump right now is trying to
21:04
Speaker 1: rewrite the Constitution. Donald Trump right now is violating the
21:07
Speaker 1: Constitution by not allowing him to come home and have
21:10
Speaker 1: due process. So yes, so the constitution still offers, uh,
21:13
Speaker 1: you know, still offers what is the guidance around the
21:16
Speaker 1: federal government's responsibility, around states responsibility, and that still does
21:20
Speaker 1: fall under the situation of Killbergo Garcia.
21:23
Speaker 3: I think that's what's missing in this whole conversation, the
21:25
Speaker 3: fact that, you know, Martin Luther King Jr. Said an
21:27
Speaker 3: injustice anywhere as a threat to justice everywhere. So if
21:30
Speaker 3: you see somebody not receiving due process when they're supposed to,
21:33
Speaker 3: that could impact any of us at any given time.
21:35
Speaker 3: And none of us want to just be snatched off
21:37
Speaker 3: the street and the port it to another country just
21:38
Speaker 3: because and.
21:39
Speaker 1: And and listen, here's the danger today. It's k Abergio Garcia.
21:44
Speaker 1: Who is it tomorrow, Laura Larrosa.
21:46
Speaker 4: Oh my god name.
21:49
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just saying it couldn't be saying. I'm
21:52
Speaker 2: using an example and you.
21:53
Speaker 6: I'm trying to try to get him, and you can't
21:55
Speaker 6: tell them that you're from Dela because they like, oh please,
21:57
Speaker 6: nobody's gonna even respect then why would y'all put me
22:00
Speaker 6: in it?
22:01
Speaker 2: No, but we're just using it as an example. It
22:03
Speaker 2: could be anybody.
22:03
Speaker 7: Charlie Magne the guy, but it could be anything.
22:06
Speaker 5: He's coming for you, for me, did you watch the
22:13
Speaker 5: interview that when Trump sat down with Terry Morin.
22:15
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the whole thing, okay.
22:17
Speaker 5: But did you see the part I said, the tattoo thing,
22:19
Speaker 5: because they were going back and forth about the tattoos
22:20
Speaker 5: or whatever. When you see stuff like that, because then
22:23
Speaker 5: media picks it up the other way and uses these
22:26
Speaker 5: tattoos that Trump that there's evidence that doesn't support what
22:30
Speaker 5: Trump is saying, but they use it as a well,
22:33
Speaker 5: he deserved what he got and how do how do
22:35
Speaker 5: you guys in the government didn't fight that because the
22:37
Speaker 5: public opinion sways so much.
22:38
Speaker 1: It's I didn't see the whole interview. I saw I
22:43
Speaker 1: did see clips of it, and I saw that part.
22:45
Speaker 1: And what's really sad to me is it isn't just
22:47
Speaker 1: the fact that we have a president of the United
22:50
Speaker 1: States who is literally buying into conspiracy theories, uh and
22:54
Speaker 1: and photoshop pictures in front of our eyes. What really
22:57
Speaker 1: also bothers me about it is it's the people around
23:00
Speaker 1: him who enable this. Is the people around him who
23:03
Speaker 1: tell them this is true. The people around him will
23:06
Speaker 1: feed him these pictures and say, yes, mister president, you
23:08
Speaker 1: know he had MS thirteen on his knuckles when he didn't.
23:11
Speaker 1: And so it's and this goes back to and this
23:15
Speaker 1: goes back to the idea that in many ways, this
23:18
Speaker 1: has nothing actually to do with kill Marlburgo Garcia. This
23:23
Speaker 1: has nothing even to do with his situation. This just
23:25
Speaker 1: simply has to do with are we willing to follow
23:28
Speaker 1: the law? We Are we a country of laws? Or
23:32
Speaker 1: are we now a country where president of the United
23:34
Speaker 1: States gets to pick and choose which laws we follow,
23:36
Speaker 1: which laws we don't. Are we a country that actually
23:38
Speaker 1: follows the constitution? Are a country that listens when the
23:40
Speaker 1: Supreme Court and a unanimous decision. And let me be clear,
23:44
Speaker 1: this Supreme Court hardly ever decides anything.
23:46
Speaker 2: Is Trump's card exactly, this is Trump's card. He put
23:49
Speaker 2: three people on nine zero.
23:52
Speaker 1: The man needs to come home and stand trial. And
23:56
Speaker 1: we have a we have an administration right now that's
23:59
Speaker 1: literally using the Constitution as a suggestion box, you know
24:05
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's fundamentally the problem and what
24:11
Speaker 1: we continue to, you know, deal with, and the fact
24:13
Speaker 1: that the relationship between the federal government and our states
24:17
Speaker 1: really has been ruptured.
24:18
Speaker 3: So when you run for president in twenty twenty eight,
24:20
Speaker 3: I am not run when you run for president in
24:22
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight, and and Trump runs again for his
24:25
Speaker 3: third term, what if the point of even running.
24:27
Speaker 2: Because you know it's just gonna be all for.
24:29
Speaker 3: Show wes like you know it, because because literally the
24:33
Speaker 3: thing that bothers me the most is people are normalizing
24:36
Speaker 3: that conversation like Trump running for a third ten.
24:38
Speaker 2: Well, then Obama can run it. If Trump runs for
24:41
Speaker 2: a third term, it's over. The fight is fixed.
24:43
Speaker 1: We notice I am so one, I'm not running, okay,
24:48
Speaker 1: But also I also believe that anyone who's talking about
24:53
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight is really delusional because they don't understand
24:56
Speaker 1: what's going on in twenty twenty. I agree. I think
24:59
Speaker 1: anybody is talking about twenty twenty eight right now doesn't
25:02
Speaker 1: understand the situation we are in right now, where we
25:05
Speaker 1: have people who are getting laid off, who have devoted
25:08
Speaker 1: their life to public service, who are getting laid off
25:10
Speaker 1: because someone who wasn't willing to take the same oath
25:12
Speaker 1: that they took now tells them their job is useless.
25:15
Speaker 1: Right that, we have situations where we have small businesses,
25:19
Speaker 1: some cases generational small businesses that are going to go
25:23
Speaker 1: out of business simply because we have these arbitrary tariff
25:27
Speaker 1: policies that have nothing to do with economics but have
25:30
Speaker 1: everything to do with ideology. Right that we have that
25:33
Speaker 1: we have children who rely on the Department of Education,
25:37
Speaker 1: kids who are you know, children who are receiving special
25:39
Speaker 1: needs right, kids who are in rural areas and parts
25:42
Speaker 1: of my state, who now are going to watch their
25:45
Speaker 1: funding not just cut, but in many ways evaporated, because
25:48
Speaker 1: we have a president of the United States who somehow
25:50
Speaker 1: believes the Department of Education is not important anymore. Right. So,
25:55
Speaker 1: I think for anyone who's talking about twenty twenty eight
25:58
Speaker 1: or trying to make moves for twenty twenty eight, my
26:00
Speaker 1: answer is this, I really hope you wake up and
26:03
Speaker 1: realize the world we're living in right now and understanding
26:05
Speaker 1: what's at stake.
26:06
Speaker 3: I think that they're talking about twenty twenty eight because
26:08
Speaker 3: they really don't have any plans for now, Like they
26:10
Speaker 3: don't even they've never seen this before, right, and they
26:13
Speaker 3: don't know how to fight it.
26:14
Speaker 2: So they're just resorting back.
26:16
Speaker 3: To what they know, which is the next election midterms
26:19
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, you know, presidential election in twenty
26:21
Speaker 3: twenty eight.
26:22
Speaker 1: But that's why I think leadership matters, right, And that's
26:24
Speaker 1: why I think that's why I'm really proud of the
26:26
Speaker 1: work that we're doing inside of the State of Maryland,
26:28
Speaker 1: Because in the State of Maryland, we basically just said,
26:30
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna lead regardless, and our state's gonna
26:33
Speaker 1: lead regardless. And so when you're looking at the momentum
26:36
Speaker 1: that we now have within the State of Maryland, the
26:38
Speaker 1: fact that we have gone from a structural deficit to
26:40
Speaker 1: a structural surplus, that for the first time in ten years,
26:43
Speaker 1: we're watching labor force participation actually increase, and new jobs,
26:47
Speaker 1: new business starts actually increasing in the State of Maryland
26:49
Speaker 1: for the first time in ten years. The fact that
26:52
Speaker 1: we are watching new partnerships and new builds, things like
26:55
Speaker 1: the service Yeer option, you know, things like making sure
26:57
Speaker 1: that we're giving people second chances when they're coming back home,
27:00
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff matters because I think people.
27:04
Speaker 1: One thing I always learned in the military was this,
27:07
Speaker 1: no one pays attention to how you perform when times
27:11
Speaker 1: are easy, because when you're easy, you can show me anything.
27:15
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever want to learn anything about anybody,
27:18
Speaker 1: watch them when it was hard, right, Watch them when
27:21
Speaker 1: it was tough. Watch them when the heat got turned up.
27:23
Speaker 1: Watch them. Did they curl up in the fetal position
27:26
Speaker 1: and just sit there and take it, or did they
27:28
Speaker 1: actually mobilize? And I think what you're seeing in the
27:31
Speaker 1: state of Maryland. When we knew we had this crisis,
27:35
Speaker 1: for example, of violence, that I walked into and saying,
27:39
Speaker 1: I refuse to be a governor that will just sit
27:41
Speaker 1: there and attend funerals and offer thoughts and prayers while
27:44
Speaker 1: my people are dying on the streets, right And so
27:47
Speaker 1: we came in and we said we were going to
27:48
Speaker 1: have the most aggressive push to be able to curtail
27:51
Speaker 1: violence in our state. And now Maryland has amongst the
27:54
Speaker 1: fastest drops and violence anywhere in the country. When we
27:57
Speaker 1: saw what happened in the Key Bridge, when we saw
28:00
Speaker 1: a ship the size of three football field slam into
28:02
Speaker 1: the Key Bridge, knocking out the port of Baltimore, and
28:06
Speaker 1: when people said it's going to take eleven months to
28:08
Speaker 1: be able to clear the channel, when we got together,
28:11
Speaker 1: we supported those families of the six people who we
28:13
Speaker 1: lost that day, and we got that channel cleared in
28:15
Speaker 1: eleven weeks. And when we watch this onsot, we're now
28:18
Speaker 1: standing from the Trump administration where it is very clear
28:21
Speaker 1: my state has become public imming number one for these folks.
28:24
Speaker 2: I get it.
28:25
Speaker 1: Why is it because of you? Well, I think boss
28:27
Speaker 1: is a lot of proximity. And just look at the
28:29
Speaker 1: decisions that they're making when you're going out, when you're
28:31
Speaker 1: going after the NIH the National Suit of Health, when
28:34
Speaker 1: you're going after Social Security, right, you know what those
28:37
Speaker 1: also are. In addition to things that are that are
28:40
Speaker 1: some of America's crown jewels, they are also Maryland assets.
28:43
Speaker 1: When you stand up there to press conference and say, yeah,
28:46
Speaker 1: the FBI building, which by the way, was going to
28:48
Speaker 1: be responsible for about four billion dollars of economic activities,
28:51
Speaker 1: seven thousand jobs, something that we worked on for a
28:53
Speaker 1: decade independent of politics, and Maryland won that bid fair
28:57
Speaker 1: and square. And to watch a present in the United
28:59
Speaker 1: States in a press conference stand up there and say, yeah,
29:01
Speaker 1: that's not going to the state of Maryland because they
29:03
Speaker 1: are a liberal state. At least he showed it. At
29:07
Speaker 1: least he showed himself.
29:08
Speaker 2: Have you have you met him yet? Have you all spoken?
29:09
Speaker 2: We have, okay, and we have all those conversations like, uh.
29:13
Speaker 1: You know, they're interesting.
29:16
Speaker 2: You never see the photo. Ops, you stay away from
29:18
Speaker 2: the cameras when you were around him.
29:19
Speaker 1: Huh, well, no, you know, it's funny. I actually I
29:21
Speaker 1: actually met with him during the Army Navy game, because
29:26
Speaker 1: you know, because I go to the Army Navy game
29:28
Speaker 1: every almost every year, and when he came to the
29:32
Speaker 1: Army Navy game last year, we had a chance to
29:34
Speaker 1: meet and we talked about the bridge, and I explained
29:36
Speaker 1: to him why the one hundred percent financing, why the
29:40
Speaker 1: cost share for the bridge was so important, because this
29:42
Speaker 1: was a port that really serves the entire country, that
29:45
Speaker 1: this was a unique situation because we are currently in
29:47
Speaker 1: litigation the reason that the porter, the reason that the
29:50
Speaker 1: the Key Bridge collapsed was not because of an act
29:53
Speaker 1: of God or because of a storm. It was because
29:55
Speaker 1: of negligence, because the ship the size of three football
29:58
Speaker 1: field slammed into it. Right, and we're currently litigation, and
30:02
Speaker 1: so the American people are going to be made whole
30:04
Speaker 1: on that. So I walked them through it. I talked
30:05
Speaker 1: about the economics. I was thankful that Congress actually passed
30:09
Speaker 1: one hundred percent cost share, and so we're in the
30:11
Speaker 1: process right now making sure we're going to fulfill the
30:12
Speaker 1: commitment to the American people. But I've met with him
30:15
Speaker 1: before and again, I will work with anybody. But partnership
30:19
Speaker 1: only works when it's both ways. Partnership doesn't work when
30:22
Speaker 1: you're given and you're getting nothing back in return.
30:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard you talk about the importance of finding
30:26
Speaker 3: common ground with the Trump administration, But when you think
30:29
Speaker 3: about all the moves that they've currently made, what opportunities
30:34
Speaker 3: do you see for y'all to collab?
30:35
Speaker 2: I don't, I can't see it.
30:37
Speaker 1: Partnership only works when it's both ways. And if you're
30:41
Speaker 1: coming after my people, you're if you're literally trying to
30:46
Speaker 1: creator our economy, that's not partnership. And so it's just very,
30:51
Speaker 1: very difficult to be able to say that this administration
30:55
Speaker 1: has been a good part and forget about to me,
30:58
Speaker 1: to my people, to the people of Maryland. And I
31:02
Speaker 1: think when you go around the state of Maryland, you
31:05
Speaker 1: you will hear exactly what I am saying. There is
31:08
Speaker 1: a level of frustration that people have right now about
31:12
Speaker 1: the situation where where we as a state are actually moving,
31:17
Speaker 1: not because of our relationship with the federal government, but
31:20
Speaker 1: in many ways, in spite.
31:21
Speaker 6: Of you signed into the second look in the expungement
31:26
Speaker 6: reform right, and some people feel that expungeon records may
31:31
Speaker 6: heighten the sense like heighten the public safety, you know,
31:35
Speaker 6: giving people giving some people a second chance, and you
31:38
Speaker 6: give some criminals a second chance, they feel like, you know,
31:40
Speaker 6: they're gonna make it.
31:41
Speaker 4: It's gonna make it hard for certain people who are
31:43
Speaker 4: hard for.
31:46
Speaker 2: Those you know what I mean, Like.
31:49
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, a lot of times that's
31:51
Speaker 6: the case. A lot of times it's not What would
31:52
Speaker 6: you say to the people that feel that way?
31:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first, I would say, I understand the
31:58
Speaker 1: concern of something. I also know this, like I'm a
32:02
Speaker 1: I'm a child of God, and my faith teaches me
32:05
Speaker 1: that that we we believe in second chances and we
32:08
Speaker 1: should offer second chances. I also know that when you
32:12
Speaker 1: look at things like the Second Chance Act, Uh, not
32:15
Speaker 1: only are there there's certain crimes that are not eligible
32:18
Speaker 1: for for the second for the for the Second Chance Act.
32:21
Speaker 1: So so there are some specific carbouts about you know,
32:24
Speaker 1: people who it's you know, when it's had something dealing
32:26
Speaker 1: with you know, sexual assault, dealing with children or you know,
32:29
Speaker 1: you you know, something to deal with law enforcement. So
32:31
Speaker 1: there's certain things that do not fall into the category.
32:34
Speaker 1: But also with the Second Chance Act does do it
32:36
Speaker 1: says it's not saying it's automatic that you happen. It's
32:39
Speaker 1: just simply saying you have a chance to petition, to
32:43
Speaker 1: have a second chance and have a second look. And
32:46
Speaker 1: so it's just simply giving an opportunity for people who
32:50
Speaker 1: in many ways, uh you know, have have now been
32:53
Speaker 1: caught up in this system for a long period of time.
32:56
Speaker 1: And for us to say that that you know that
32:59
Speaker 1: that we don't believe that every sentence should be a
33:01
Speaker 1: life sentence, and that again, my faith does teach me
33:05
Speaker 1: that second chances should actually mean something and there should
33:07
Speaker 1: be pathways for it in in in certain cases, and
33:11
Speaker 1: people should have again just the opportunity to petition. This
33:15
Speaker 1: is not automatic, but it is the opportunity to petition.
33:18
Speaker 1: And I do think for the people who then will
33:20
Speaker 1: then qualify these are people who are ready to enter
33:23
Speaker 1: back into society and be contributing members to society.
33:25
Speaker 3: You know, if people forget about the the second chance,
33:29
Speaker 3: if you get the number after that three the three
33:31
Speaker 3: strake law two.
33:37
Speaker 2: Kamerlynd doesn't have a three strake law right.
33:38
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing, it's like we have to
33:42
Speaker 1: who of us haven't needed second chances?
33:45
Speaker 2: And if you mess that up, that's on you.
33:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like again, I'm a person who is
33:50
Speaker 1: needed second and third and eighth chances, and it's because
33:54
Speaker 1: people gave me a second chance. It's because people help
33:57
Speaker 1: me to understand that the world was bigger than what
33:59
Speaker 1: was just directly in front of me, and that not
34:01
Speaker 1: all of my prior decisions helped to determine my future.
34:04
Speaker 1: That I'm now standing here as a sixty third governor
34:07
Speaker 1: of my state. Right, I believe in second chances, and
34:10
Speaker 1: I believe that people should earn the right to be
34:13
Speaker 1: able to have a second chance as long as you
34:16
Speaker 1: have those certain things that are in place, and people
34:18
Speaker 1: should have the right to petition for it. And so
34:20
Speaker 1: I just find it really you know, at times when
34:23
Speaker 1: i'm people when people like no, no, no, no no,
34:25
Speaker 1: I just find it really rich because for a lot
34:28
Speaker 1: of times the people who are like no, no, no, no, no,
34:30
Speaker 1: who are people who are standing there because someone in
34:32
Speaker 1: their life said.
34:32
Speaker 5: Yes, sure, talking of second chances.
34:36
Speaker 4: Right.
34:37
Speaker 5: Going back to Kim Mark Garcia, so I know that
34:40
Speaker 5: Senator Holland is like he went and visited Salvador, and
34:44
Speaker 5: people were upset that you quickly said that you weren't
34:47
Speaker 5: planning to go there. Why were people upset about you
34:49
Speaker 5: not going there when you already have boots on the ground.
34:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's thing I was. I've been
34:54
Speaker 1: in very close touch with Senator van Holland. I applauded
34:57
Speaker 1: him when he went. We spoke before before or before
35:00
Speaker 1: he went, and so you know, I know that as
35:03
Speaker 1: a member of the Senate, there are certain responsibilities and
35:07
Speaker 1: there's certain uh, there's certain uh uh pathways that they
35:11
Speaker 1: have that I, as a governor, do not. That they
35:14
Speaker 1: have certain jobs that they can do. As a governor,
35:16
Speaker 1: there's certain I know my job is different. Uh. We
35:20
Speaker 1: have always been completely aligned on making sure that due
35:25
Speaker 1: process is followed, making sure that we can bring kill
35:28
Speaker 1: Maarr back home so he can then stand trial. And
35:31
Speaker 1: so I've been saying in lockstep with Center van Holland
35:34
Speaker 1: the whole time. I applauded him going down and making
35:36
Speaker 1: sure that he could come back and report back to
35:38
Speaker 1: the family that he had that he put eyes on him,
35:42
Speaker 1: uh and said that he's that he's that he's physically okay.
35:44
Speaker 1: Because remember when Chris went down there. Nobody was sure
35:49
Speaker 1: because no one had heard from him. And so Chris
35:51
Speaker 1: going down there to say I now have seen him,
35:54
Speaker 1: I know he's okay. Was a really important thing, not
35:57
Speaker 1: just for the large society, but it was really important
36:00
Speaker 1: for the family. But I also know as a governor,
36:02
Speaker 1: I have certain responsibilities and restrictions on things that I
36:05
Speaker 1: can do, and I'm going to make sure that we're
36:06
Speaker 1: leading from from the perks that I said.
36:08
Speaker 3: I think I think you'll have to stop making it
36:10
Speaker 3: about Garcia and just start making it about making it
36:12
Speaker 3: about the issue of due process.
36:14
Speaker 1: That's all it is.
36:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, because people because it's too you know, they love
36:17
Speaker 3: to do that at to folks. The point the things
36:18
Speaker 3: in his character and we I really don't know, but
36:20
Speaker 3: let's talk about the constitutional violation that's happened.
36:24
Speaker 1: And Chelman, you're absolu right, because I'm not. I am
36:27
Speaker 1: not and I won't defend him.
36:29
Speaker 2: I don't know.
36:30
Speaker 1: His situation, I don't know his background, I don't know
36:34
Speaker 1: I have never met with him. So I'm not defending
36:38
Speaker 1: the person. I'm defending the constitution, right, I'm defending the
36:43
Speaker 1: fact that there is due process and we've got to
36:46
Speaker 1: be able to follow that. And frankly, once due process
36:49
Speaker 1: happens again, if a judge rules that no, you know,
36:53
Speaker 1: he is a threat to side, he is this, he
36:55
Speaker 1: is that he needs to be set back, then you
36:57
Speaker 1: know what, go ahead. Because there is nothing that I
37:01
Speaker 1: care about more and I think people are saying that
37:02
Speaker 1: with our track record in Maryland, there's nothing I care
37:05
Speaker 1: more about than public safety. Like I make sure that
37:08
Speaker 1: our people are safe. I will make sure we have
37:11
Speaker 1: made historic investments in local law enforcement. We have made
37:14
Speaker 1: historic investments, and not just our state's attorneys, but also
37:19
Speaker 1: Maryland's one of the only states that actually puts balance
37:21
Speaker 1: sheet into the US Attorney to make sure we're getting
37:23
Speaker 1: trigger pollers off the street, to make sure we're getting
37:26
Speaker 1: violent offenders off the street. That we've made historic investments
37:28
Speaker 1: in violence prevention programs and violence interrupts, you know, people
37:32
Speaker 1: like we are us and safe streets that are down
37:34
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. So no one can ever question my commitment
37:38
Speaker 1: to public safety. But also I think you can be
37:42
Speaker 1: committed to public safety and committed to the Constitution, and
37:45
Speaker 1: I don't think that those two things are at odds
37:48
Speaker 1: with one another.
37:48
Speaker 3: I got two more questions because I know you gotta go.
37:51
Speaker 3: I love the fact that governors have their boots on
37:54
Speaker 3: the ground. And I saw Governor Jos Shapiro on Bill
37:56
Speaker 3: Maher and I forgot what Bill asked him, but he
37:59
Speaker 3: was just like, look, I'm not focused on what they
38:00
Speaker 3: got going on in DC. I'm focused on what I
38:02
Speaker 3: got going on in Pennsylvania. So I like that, how
38:06
Speaker 3: do we keep you from being a corny DC type
38:12
Speaker 3: in DC?
38:13
Speaker 1: So corny man, listen, you know the You know how
38:17
Speaker 1: I guess is I didn't come from that. You know
38:21
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, like, listen, when when I first
38:24
Speaker 1: ran for governor, I ran against statewide elected officials. I
38:28
Speaker 1: ran against cabinet secretaries, the former head of the DNC,
38:31
Speaker 1: the former head of the Democratic Party ran for governor,
38:33
Speaker 1: and then me, guy who'd never run for office for
38:36
Speaker 1: my life. But I was connected to the people, right.
38:41
Speaker 1: It was the people that made me the governor. It
38:43
Speaker 1: wasn't a party, it wasn't a political establishment. In fact,
38:45
Speaker 1: the political stablishing wanted somebody else. So when I got
38:49
Speaker 1: into that seat, I decided, I'm not going to turn
38:53
Speaker 1: into something that I never was in the first place.
38:56
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, so the way I have
38:57
Speaker 1: continued to lead is I'm about the people. I will
39:00
Speaker 1: always stand with the people. A political party does not
39:03
Speaker 1: give me my talking points.
39:04
Speaker 3: Good, don't let them change you, because you know they're
39:06
Speaker 3: already talking about you in twenty twenty eight and they'll
39:08
Speaker 3: be like, well's come over and start saying this, and
39:10
Speaker 3: start doing that, and meet this person and take money
39:12
Speaker 3: from this person.
39:13
Speaker 2: And then you know what I mean, Like, I don't.
39:14
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't play that game because I didn't
39:15
Speaker 1: get here. That's not how I got here in the
39:17
Speaker 1: first place. Man, Or like I mean, like I'm I am,
39:20
Speaker 1: I am. I am the most improbable governor in this
39:23
Speaker 1: country when you think about my journey, right, when you
39:26
Speaker 1: think about my life path, and you know, and and
39:28
Speaker 1: and again, I'm a person of faith. And Hezekiah Walker, No,
39:32
Speaker 1: he's got a line he says, when I think about
39:34
Speaker 1: my story, I can't help but give God glory. There
39:36
Speaker 1: you go. I know where my strength comes from. My
39:38
Speaker 1: strength doesn't come from a political party. My strength don't
39:40
Speaker 1: come from political bosses. I don't. I don't.
39:42
Speaker 2: I don't.
39:43
Speaker 1: I don't follow that. I follow the people that got
39:46
Speaker 1: me here in the first place the people who bucked
39:48
Speaker 1: the political system, which was the people. And so I'm
39:52
Speaker 1: not at all concerned about becoming a creature of something
39:57
Speaker 1: that didn't create me in the first place. And actually,
40:00
Speaker 1: I think that the main thing that people can do
40:02
Speaker 1: right now is stay true and stay committed and stay authentic.
40:06
Speaker 1: You know, when people say, well, what direction should people
40:08
Speaker 1: go in or how should people talk or whatever like that,
40:10
Speaker 1: I always find that question so confusing. I'm like, be authentic,
40:14
Speaker 1: because if you're not authentic, the people will suss it out,
40:17
Speaker 1: and the people will snuff it out, and they'll take
40:19
Speaker 1: care of you the way they take care of you.
40:21
Speaker 3: My final question, this is something that I love about you.
40:24
Speaker 3: Is something that doctor Lumar Johnson loves about you, the
40:27
Speaker 3: fact that.
40:28
Speaker 2: You have a black woman.
40:30
Speaker 3: Because so many people in positions of power like you
40:33
Speaker 3: and government, especially black people, they don't.
40:35
Speaker 2: Now, love is love, love who you want to love.
40:36
Speaker 3: But as a man who loves to see black men
40:38
Speaker 3: with black women, and I have a beautiful black families.
40:41
Speaker 2: I love it. What is the importance to that.
40:45
Speaker 1: You know, It's funny when when I got married we're
40:48
Speaker 1: married now, but eighteen years my wife, she's beautiful, man,
40:52
Speaker 1: and she's just an amazing human being. And I remember
40:56
Speaker 1: when we said our vows. This shows you how corny
40:59
Speaker 1: I was when we first got we give our vows,
41:01
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know my vows. I'm gonna keep
41:02
Speaker 1: it fresh and sexy.
41:04
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I'm gonna keep that sound like someone fly
41:20
Speaker 2: a party Baltimore.
41:24
Speaker 1: But you know what he was to me. She said,
41:26
Speaker 1: I will be your greatest defender. I will be your
41:30
Speaker 1: greatest defender. That's what Black women are and that's what
41:33
Speaker 1: they've always been. Like I'm telling you, man, when you
41:36
Speaker 1: think about what black women have meant to us, you know,
41:40
Speaker 1: the whole you know, we was you know, raised by women.
41:44
Speaker 1: A game came from women, you know what I'm saying. Like,
41:46
Speaker 1: Black women have always been our anchor. Black women have
41:51
Speaker 1: always been our guide. Black women have always been the
41:53
Speaker 1: ones to when the whole world denied us, they defended
41:57
Speaker 1: us and they lifted us up. And you know, and
42:01
Speaker 1: I think about this where even the work that we're
42:04
Speaker 1: doing right now in Maryland around our young men and boys,
42:08
Speaker 1: do you know who beautifully have been some of the
42:11
Speaker 1: greatest champions of the work that Maryland is doing that
42:14
Speaker 1: really the nation leading work on supporting our young men
42:16
Speaker 1: and boys women because they know that's talking about their
42:21
Speaker 1: sons and their husbands and their fathers and their uncles
42:28
Speaker 1: and their friends. And it's so beautiful to watch because
42:32
Speaker 1: it is very indicative of how Black women and women
42:39
Speaker 1: as a whole have always been our greatest defenders. That
42:44
Speaker 1: when the whole world came at us, oftentimes it was
42:47
Speaker 1: women who stood in front of us with shields and
42:50
Speaker 1: say not today. And I'm so i cannot be more
42:57
Speaker 1: lucky about the fact that I've married my best friend.
43:01
Speaker 1: I married someone who I love and who I respect
43:04
Speaker 1: and who I adore, and someone who you know, I'm
43:08
Speaker 1: so thankful is on my side because I never want
43:10
Speaker 1: to be on the other side of her spirit ever,
43:14
Speaker 1: but someone who I am who.
43:17
Speaker 3: I would ride for because she's always wroth.
43:21
Speaker 2: Oh my god, beautiful.
43:33
Speaker 5: She's the first African American first lady to say she is.
43:36
Speaker 1: She sure is, she sure is. She's a beast too,
43:39
Speaker 1: She's a beast. Y'all gotta come down, y'all gonna come.
43:41
Speaker 4: In fact, you're gonna have crabs if we come.
43:43
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely absolutely. And in fact, she is the co
43:46
Speaker 1: chair of the Prignance festival, so for y'all, so you know,
43:50
Speaker 1: you know, pregnant, so pregnant, pret pregnant. The second Yes,
44:00
Speaker 1: it's a second leg of the Triple Crown, one of
44:02
Speaker 1: the biggest horse races inside of the entire country. But
44:05
Speaker 1: it's but it's also it's a big deal because it's
44:07
Speaker 1: a whole festival around it and it's in beautiful Park Heights, Baltimore,
44:12
Speaker 1: the home of Brandon Scott. But my, but my amazing wife,
44:16
Speaker 1: our States First Lady is the coach chair. You got
44:19
Speaker 1: to see what she is doing the build out. She's
44:21
Speaker 1: having club quarantine. Uh d Nice is coming down there,
44:25
Speaker 1: bringing a bringing, Jada kids, bringing too short, I mean,
44:27
Speaker 1: bring everybody from seventeenth.
44:31
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll be there at me fourteenth, full week of stuff.
44:36
Speaker 3: Well, right, Governor Westmore, thank you brother. We appreciate you man.
44:40
Speaker 3: We love the work you're doing in Maryland, and I mean,
44:43
Speaker 3: you know, somebody need to replicate it on the national stage.
44:46
Speaker 3: And I hope that you know, somebody gets the opportunity
44:48
Speaker 3: to so, because I don't know if we will have
44:51
Speaker 3: a democracy in twenty twenty eight or night, but we'll see,
44:53
Speaker 3: oh we.
44:54
Speaker 1: Will, as long as we don't as all, we're gonna
44:55
Speaker 1: forfeit it. Yeah, now that's what I'm saying, like like,
44:58
Speaker 1: I mean, like we have to understan and it's like
45:00
Speaker 1: the power does belong to the people. That's the beauty
45:04
Speaker 1: of where we're at right now. And I'll say this
45:08
Speaker 1: one thing for our close too, And this is why Maryland,
45:11
Speaker 1: I think actually is really important in this situation. I'm
45:13
Speaker 1: a big I'm a big history buff, so like, especially
45:16
Speaker 1: in really difficult times, I generally tend to lean on history,
45:18
Speaker 1: and I like a lot of Maryland history, and you know,
45:22
Speaker 1: in really difficult times like now, I'll read about famous
45:24
Speaker 1: Marylanders like Harriet Tubman or Frederick Douglass or Third Good Marshall,
45:30
Speaker 1: And I think to myself, imagine having a conversation with
45:35
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman, who, by the way, one of the great
45:37
Speaker 1: things about being governor is I have the power to commission.
45:39
Speaker 1: And I made Harriet Tubman a general last year, so
45:42
Speaker 1: she's now General Harriet Tubman. And I think about what
45:45
Speaker 1: would a conversation be like with General Tubman telling her
45:50
Speaker 1: about the dangers of this moment. And I think about
45:54
Speaker 1: the way she would look at me and say, do
45:56
Speaker 1: you know what I've been through. M hmm. Do you
45:59
Speaker 1: know what it was like when I had to run
46:02
Speaker 1: from my life for my freedom in the middle of
46:05
Speaker 1: the night, running from dogs and people were guns. And
46:09
Speaker 1: then when I finally made it to Pennsylvania and I
46:11
Speaker 1: got my freedom, I then decided to go back to
46:16
Speaker 1: bring more people and where she became one of the
46:19
Speaker 1: greatest conductors in the underground railroad.
46:21
Speaker 2: Right.
46:22
Speaker 1: And I think to myself, what a conversation where Harriet
46:25
Speaker 1: Tubtan will be like telling her how tough my job is,
46:29
Speaker 1: how difficult we've got it, and watch her look at
46:32
Speaker 1: me and say I would have shot him.
46:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, why are you arguing with people in Congress.
46:47
Speaker 1: In the middle of the night. Not get what you
46:53
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but like, let's let's not
46:54
Speaker 1: forget where we come from, Like for all these people like,
46:57
Speaker 1: oh this is tough, and oh this please don't forget
47:00
Speaker 1: our history. Please don't forget our ancestors. Please don't forget
47:04
Speaker 1: what they had to go through. And listen, you know,
47:08
Speaker 1: as Kate I says, we're gonna be.
47:12
Speaker 2: Don't take the Harriet tell meing thing out of context.
47:14
Speaker 2: That was a nice black joke.
47:17
Speaker 7: We're not trying to shoot anybody, Okay, think about exactly.
47:28
Speaker 4: But you know, tell okay, I know you gotta go.
47:33
Speaker 4: Do you listen to Votto?
47:35
Speaker 2: Shut up jes. Thank you, appreciate you, We thank you
47:39
Speaker 2: for coming. Governor west Moll Wake up in the morning
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