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Quarantine Stress-interview with Bill ALexander · Head Shrink Inc.

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• 1:37
  SPEAKER_07: Hope everything's fine for you today.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_07: And uh we are on the program again.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_07: The last week we talked to an individual who is uh working in New York City dealing with the coronavirus there.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_07: We spoke with a journalist on Wednesday night on how the government is covering the uh coronavirus, and tonight we're talking to a therapist, a family therapist, who is dealing with this in uh the state of Washington.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_07: And on the phone line right now we have uh Dr.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_07: David Simonson who is uh joining us this evening.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_07: Uh Doctor, how are you doing this evening?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_10: I'm doing well, thanks for asking.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_07: I'm uh so glad you can join us.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_07: Now, as I talked to you before we started the show tonight, one thing I did not think about was I didn't think about how this was affecting people mentally.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_07: I would I know physically and everything that we're dealing with, but I didn't realize how it was going to affect relationships, and that's one thing you wanted to talk about tonight.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's nothing like this has ever happened um in any of our lifetimes.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_10: And so I I think a lot of people are kind of going into it blindly, honestly, on what to expect and what to do.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_10: And so it's I think it's pretty easy to like say, okay, you know, wash your hands, wear masks, don't go out, social distance, but then not really knowing what to do when you're stuck with your loved ones for two weeks, right, and you can't go out is the challenge.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_07: Which which it is going to be difficult because a lot of the states, especially the one I'm in right now in Pennsylvania, we are quarantined for at least the next three weeks.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_07: And we are told we're not allowed to go out to do anything other than anything that may be um life-sustaining, grocery shopping, pharmacies, stuff like that.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_07: And we're in in situations where we're with family that we're not used to being with 24-7.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_10: So Washington's as I'm in Washington State, and so the governor today just did a basically like shelter in place and um shut down is saying all the non-essential places need to be shut down uh by tomorrow.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_10: Um which again, I mean, that's just unheard of in our lifetime.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_10: It's it's definitely creating some anxiety in people.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, it creates a little anxiety in me because uh it's like how do you you gotta make money, you gotta survive.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_10: And so that's a chan I mean, that's a scary place for a lot of people.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_07: So the one thing I want to know is is that you're in Washington, you're where this basically started in the United States, and they're just doing shelter in place now.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_07: Which which sounds odd to me because I'm in Pennsylvania, we have um 500 in some cases right now, maybe close to 600, and we've been basically doing shelter in place for the last uh four days.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_07: So I think it's interesting that some states are handling this um differently than others.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I think what happened here was there were several cities that were doing lockdowns, and you know, there's cities, so you can't really you you there's no really borders of cities that you can keep people out of.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_10: So the governor, I think, just went along with I I the way I'm viewing it's like the Oregon governor and the Washington governor are in competition.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_07: Like who can who can make life the worst for their yeah, I can I can understand why that uh is possible because we're seeing the same thing in Pennsylvania with Ohio, West Virginia, Maryland, and New York.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_07: Who can make it more difficult?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_07: So um, so some of the people that you're dealing with right now, have they been clients that you've had for a period of time or are they new?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_10: Um so they most of them are clients I've had for a period of time.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_10: I actually last week I had a first and tonight I had a second where I met with people that I've never met in person.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_10: Um, which is which is kind of odd.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_10: But most of my clients are long-term clients.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_07: And so what are some of the things they're dealing with?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I mean, a lot of them have fear over a lot of them already had fear or anxiety about health-related issues.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_10: And so this, you know, makes it way worse.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_10: Like in my own family, I have a nine-year-old with lung disease who has been on a ventilator before.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_10: And so I don't want her to be on a ventilator again.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_10: And so we're all that's why we're, you know, self-quarantined, lower the curve, etc.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_10: etc.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_10: Um, but I do have a lot of clients that are, you know, doing the self-quarantine before the shelter in place happened, just because they have kids or they have elderly parents that are at risk and they themselves wouldn't necessarily they'd get the flu and get over it, but it's the elderly in-laws, it's the kids that have asthma, um, or are otherwise immune compromised.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_10: So there's like me, there's a legitimate fear out there.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_07: So have you noticed um as you said, some of the people are dealing with health issues right now, but um are the fears that they have, are they being um exaggerated by the media, or is it stuff that they're healing, hearing locally from people that they may know already?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_10: Excuse me.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_10: Um I think it's probably a little bit of both.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, I I have a client who has OCD, and they are just they get really fixated on the news, and then that creates this whole uh a whole other issue of fearfulness, and and I so I do think uh the news has led to some um misinformation about this.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_10: I have I have some doctor friends, and they say, you know, be concerned, but don't be out, don't be hoarding toilet paper, don't be hoarding food.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_10: Um but it's like no one's ever experienced this before.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_10: And so the news is, you know, Italy's on lockdown, all these people are dying.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_10: Well, I I I need to take care of myself and my family.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_10: And so that often creates these um unre uh unrealistic fear unrealistic fearfulness and come talk to your therapist about it or go hoard food.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_10: I I think given those two options, you should talk to your therapist.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_07: So with your with your child, the nine-year-old, how are you explaining this to them?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_10: Well, so she's funny you ask.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_10: So she has Down syndrome.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_10: So she's she's just clueless about it.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_10: So we haven't explained it.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_10: All she knows is life is just going normal for her.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_10: We're just not going out places.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_07: So how would you explain it to a child then that may be able to have an understanding of what's happening around them?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I mean, I think you need to do it age appropriate, obviously.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_10: Um I think that you just talk about it in a way that doesn't make them be anxious.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_10: So, hey, people are getting sick, we're just trying to take precautions, and we're gonna stay in for a time time being.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_10: They don't need to know that you know the the governor issued a shelter at home.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_10: They won't even understand what that is, and it could that could be um trauma producing.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_10: And so I just think as appropriate age-wise, you explain things to them, and so a nine-year-old doesn't need to know, they they just need to know that hey, we're staying home because we don't want to get sick.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_07: Which makes a lot of sense because you don't want to make them um more afraid than they they need to be, because this is a situation, as you said, we've never dealt with before.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_07: Now, one thing I've been hearing recently is that um people are comparing this a lot to what happened on 9-11.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_07: Do you see any comparison between the two?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_10: Um, you know, honestly, the 9-11 thing, I think it impacted people on the East Coast more than it did people on the West Coast.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_10: Um because I r I remember it, but I don't think I was affected as dramatically as a person who let's say lived in New York or even in Pennsylvania there was one of the planes went down, I think.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, in Shanksville.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_10: So I I think this is different in the fact that this is impacting directly the whole nation, whereas the direct impact of 9-11 was more on New York and some of those eastern uh states.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_07: Which which makes some sense.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_07: Like I said, I I heard that earlier today and I was just kind of curious because I didn't know if anybody was bringing it up in your sessions.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_10: I think I lost you.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_07: Are you there?
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_10: I'm here still, I don't hear you though.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_07: Do you hear me, Dave?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_07: I think I hear you, Dave.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_07: Um you hear me now, Dave.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_10: I do hear you now.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, sorry about that.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_07: Um So I think I think uh what they were trying to say is just some of those feelings that it was recreating.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_07: But if you said that the people on the West Coast were dealing with this differently than we were, then that would make some sense.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_07: Now, the other thing is that for a lot of us that are that are um that are staying in place, that are doing the self-quarantine and all this, for a lot of us, our lives seem pretty much the same.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_07: All we can do is not go to work or be on an extended staycation or something like that.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm just wondering how it's going to be when we actually get back into this uh the swing of things, if we're going to be um a little bit apprehensive of who we talk to, who we interact with, and how we deal with things here on out in the future.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I mean, I honestly last week it was kind of surreal because I'm used to these uh zombie movies, right?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_10: Where there's this thing that takes over, and then you go outside and zombies are walking around or every place is deserted.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_10: And so I go out last week thinking, oh, it feels kind of normal, even though I'm being told there's this horrific pandemic.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_10: Um I I it what it led me to believe to think is that for people that are feeling like really anxious about this, I think it encourages just being mindful about okay, what what is the reality of things?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_10: And the reality of things is life is still going on around us, right?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_10: People are going to the store still, people are um going online still, people are watching Netflix still, like life is still going on.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_10: I think the more you can have life go on while you're sheltered in place, the the easier it's gonna be when we're all able to go out.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_10: I think ultimately, I think what's gonna happen is like people are gonna recognize the importance of hand washing more now.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_10: Um, and not just touching random things without making sure it's sanitized first.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_07: Do you see in some way this may uh strengthen the uh family unit unit?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, I think if if you're not taking advantage of this forced family time, you're you're missing out.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_10: Because I think prior to this, people were kind of stuck in a routine, if you will, right?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_10: Like go to work, come home, uh, kids go to school, come home, go to ballet, go to soccer.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_10: And now that's all radically changed.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_10: And so I I think there was a time in society when that what we're doing now was uh normal.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_10: And I think um or or typical.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_10: And so I think there's some goodness to that, that getting back to if there's a silver lining in this, it being able to get back to connection with your family, with intimate people in your family.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_07: Do you see um the younger generation, especially the uh I guess it's the Zs, who were all in Florida last week, not all of them, but I'm just using exaggeration, who were on spring break, who did not see this being a threat to them, but everybody else standing back going, wait a minute, you don't understand what you're doing, maybe not to yourself, but to your loved ones when you get back home.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_10: I saw a couple of videos and I thought, man, if that was my kid, I would be embarrassed, I'd be letting them have it.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_10: Um, yeah, I mean, I think there is a selfishness to this.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_10: Like uh the the theme was, hey, this is ruining my spring break.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_10: And it's like really, who cares that it's ruining your spring break?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_10: This is about like our our society, the the bigger picture of society.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_10: And I do think there's a selfishness, unfortunately, that was shown that has something to do with probably how those kids were raised.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_07: Um, the other thing is too is that we've been noticing on on Facebook and social media that we have a group of kids, especially high school seniors this year, that are losing their year, at least that the most important part of the year in their minds, which is the second half with graduation prom and all these activities.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_07: How do you explain to a child that this is more important than these two events that are going to be here and gone and 20 years from now you won't remember?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_10: Um, you you can explain all you want, but I mean kids, teenage so I I work mostly with teens.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_10: Um they they are an emotional animal, so it does not generally speaking, it doesn't matter how much you try to explain something to them.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_10: Um their emotions it's gonna be like clenching their fists.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_10: This isn't fair, right?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_10: And that's why again, these kids these kids go down to spring break because well I want what I want.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_10: And it's not just high schoolers, right?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_10: It's college students that have been working for four years to graduate, and and and so uh so I think college students kind of have a better understanding, but I think most uh high schoolers are not gonna be easily understanding of this kind of stuff.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_10: They're just gonna be more annoyed than anything.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_10: And honestly, it's like I think most places, if they haven't already, they'll probably h host some type of graduation in the summer when this all blows over.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um if if if you're a parent of one of these childs, how do you deal with them?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_10: Um, it's funny because I was just talking to some parents tonight about how their kids aren't taking it seriously.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_10: Actually, I met with two parents via Zoom tonight um that they both think they have the one thinks they're getting over the virus.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_10: And one thinks that one thinks that they're in the middle of it, and one of their kids is now quarantined in their room.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_10: So they haven't been tested, but but there's a there's a good chance that they uh have it, I suppose.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_10: They're coughing and stuff.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_08: Uh-huh.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_10: Um but but their kids aren't taking it seriously.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_10: And I think w when you are that age, you're invulnerable.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_10: And so this is just this is just a boomer thing, right?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_10: Oh the okay.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, boomer.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_10: And so I think yeah, again, it's age appropriate.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_10: I think you try to explain it and you try to bring in your their grandparents say, hey, we're doing this not because you can't kick this, but we're doing this because we don't want your grandparents to get sick and die.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_10: And maybe that's gonna maybe that's going to have a bit more of an impact than oh, we just don't want you to get sick, because they don't care, they'll get over it.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_07: I have uh three kids myself.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_07: My 19-year-old is a sophomore in college.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_07: I have a uh 15-year-old son who's a sophomore in high school, and a seventh-grade daughter who's 12.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_07: And of the three kids, they've pretty much self-quaranted themselves even before this was a thing, because they like their rooms better than being with their mother and dad, which I thought was interesting.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_09: All right.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_07: I'm home all day today, and I'm going, do I have kids living in my house?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_07: Because I didn't see anybody.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_07: But I think it's being done differently in different locations because, as you said, I think some people are taking it more seriously than others, especially where you're at, where you have almost 2,000 cases that have um affected pretty much most of your state, unlike where I'm at, where we only have about 600 cases, but yet it still affected most of the state.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_07: So again, I think it all depends on how um how the the state is being affected by the situation itself.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_10: I think it also has to do with how you raise your kids because I've I've found two camps.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_10: There's one camp that says, um, this is all media hype.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_10: Okay, this is the government trying to take control.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_10: And then there's the other camps like, hey, we gotta flatten the curve because we need to protect our elderly and the immune compromise.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_10: And so I I have a feeling, I mean, I don't have any hard data on this, but I have a feeling the parents that view this as government control, they have the kids that are probably a bit more um less conservative about what they're doing.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_10: Like there's a county uh an hour away from me that posted a picture of all these kids on this main thoroughfare just congregating and say, honk, and we'll drink a beer or something to that effect.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_10: And so and so that I mean that that obviously looks bad because it's like they're we don't care, we'll be fine.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_10: Um and I'd be curious, I I have a feeling they have parents that are a little bit less uh treating this a little bit less seriously than it should be treated.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I I just find it's interesting because and like you said, those people are not taking it seriously, but we see the we see what's happening in other parts of the world that it's not just the government making something up because it's happening everywhere, not just here.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_07: And I think that's what's interesting because they're the logic is just not there for what they're trying to explain.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, I think it's a a short-sightedness versus a long the long view of something.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_10: Okay, and unfortunately, parents I mean, parents get to parent how they want, unfortunately, as long as it's legal.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_10: And it's true.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_10: You know, I I I I think they can teach all kinds of things to their kids.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_10: Um you know, like anti-vaxxers, and I don't want to get into that debate, but right.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_10: But you know, if a vaccine, if a vaccine came for this and you knew it could save your kid that has asthma, but you're against vaccines, what do you do?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_10: Right?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_10: And I don't know.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_10: I I just think parents get the parent.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you're you're right.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_07: You're you're exactly right.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_07: Um but I I just like I said, I just find it interesting.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_07: So have you noticed a lot of tension going on between um uh parents in this situation?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_07: Because again, like you said, they were on such a routine before where they would get up, go to work, come home, have dinner, watch a little bit of TV, go to bed.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_07: But now they're all home, and parenting styles may be different, dealing with their kids, maybe not the teenagers.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_07: But the younger ones, have you noticed any tension happening there?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_10: So where I've noticed the tension is for parents that already had a pre-existing belief about illness or sickness or or something like that.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_10: And so let's say a mom who was already worried that their kid was going to get sick, um, and a dad who was like, Oh, kids need to get kids need to eat dirt.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_10: That's how they get, you know, that's how they get a good immune system.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_10: And so that in itself is kind of a challenge, but then you bring on this pandemic, that's then going to cause like that has caused big challenges in the parenting relationship that I've seen in a couple uh cases and a couple of clients that I have.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_08: Oh.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_10: But it was something that was already it was something that was already there.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_10: Um and this just exacerbated the issue.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_07: Um so how do you help how do you help them deal with that?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_10: Um so one of the things I think is important in something like this, not just not not just specifically with those parents that are struggling with the health-related anxiety, but just to base thoughts in factual in facts and reality.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I think a lot of I think a lot of times media will write, you know, fifty thousand people may die.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_10: Right?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_10: That that may is an essential word.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_10: Or fifty thousand people could be affected.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_10: That could is an is an essential word.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_10: But I think a lot of times people that are already predisposed to have an anxiety they they overlook the may or the could and they just see that big number.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_10: And then they get up then they freak out.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_10: So I think that it's important for people that already have that pre-existing issue of anxiety to steer clear of social media right now.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_10: Um, because I don't know about your timeline, but ever almost every other post in my timeline has to do with coronavirus.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_10: And everyone's trying to mi everyone's trying to mine for new information or a new YouTube video or a new news article.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_10: And actually I it's just kind of tiring to s to see.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_10: And so I think the first thing I would tell your your uh audience is steer clear of social media as much as possible.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_10: Um if you don't follow some light hearted um sites on Instagram or on Facebook, I would go immediately and start following those light-hearted sites that post, you know, good videos as opposed to death death and destruction videos or death and destruction information.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_10: Um because I think the garbage in, garbage out idea, right?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_10: If you're taking all this garbage in that's just negative and bad, you're going to reflect that in how you view the surroundings around you know, and and how you view everything around you.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_10: And so if you take in good things that are going on in the world, because there are good things that are still going on in the world, it's not like I think uh people kind of forget that, like, oh wait, other things are happening in the world than Corona right now.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_10: There's still kids being adopted, there's still people helping one another, there's still online churches happening, there's still missionaries overseas helping build homes.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_10: So there's still good things going on.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_10: I think that um it's just not you're not seeing it online because everyone's so fixated on the corona stuff.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_07: One thing I've noticed, and I and of course when you said that about your Facebook feed, I went through mine real quick, and you're right, a lot of it has to deal with it, and a lot of it has to do with um who has it now, how the government's going to handle it, who's fighting about it, everything else.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_07: But the other thing I'm noticing is I'm noticing some type of community support happening where people are working with each other trying to help their neighbors, the older neighbor, um, the people with um the affective immune systems or stuff like that that that are trying to actually make it better for everyone.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_07: Have you noticed that where you're at too?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I occasionally I see those.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_10: I think around here there was this idea of letting some letting elderly people go shopping between certain hours and everyone else staying away.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_10: And I think as a again, a silver lining to all of this is that perhaps we will start getting back to the old days.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_10: And I don't know, I like be I often think of like the 50s, when you could just easily talk to your neighbor and you would do for your neighbor rather than just do for yourself only.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_10: And I think that what you're seeing now is potentially an opportunity to kind of go back to those that old way of being in the world where we looked out for one another rather than just looking out for our own interests.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_07: The other thing I've noticed too is that people are appreciating um individuals more, especially those that work at grocery stores, that are work at gas stations, the people that are still working because their jobs are considered um necessities.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_07: And even one thing that's come out of the blue, which I was really surprised to see, all the support for school teachers who are trying to do online education for kids that never had to do something like this before.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_10: Now, I I'm not super so all my kids are homeschooled, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_10: So I'm not super familiar with but but the the parents, it's interesting because some school districts are doing that, right?
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_10: Some some are sending online work home, and others others have just kind of said, Oh, we're done for the year, we'll figure out a way to make it up.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_10: So it's interesting how that's very hit and miss.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_10: What what you what I think is interest what I like with what you were just saying is the appreciation for these the food supply lines.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_10: There's there still needs to be the food flowing.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_10: So there's these the the laborers who are picking the strawberries or um the people in the factories that are still making the canned goods, that's gotta keep going, otherwise there's not gonna be anything in the stores.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_10: And so I think I appreciate those people for sure, if they're going to work and still, you know, creating food, farmers, you know, getting corn, etc.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_10: etc.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_10: I mean that that's that's a great thing as well.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_07: And the other thing I think is really interesting is our country finally realized if all the sports stop in this country, the country still goes on.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, yes.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_07: Which I thought was really interesting whenever they decided they were going to shut down the NBA, the major major league baseball, soccer, golf, everything until there's some type of resolution to this.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_07: And unfortunately, we don't know how long that's going to be.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_07: Hopefully it's going to be uh over sooner than later.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_07: But one of the things, when you're working with these kids, are you giving them tips on how to deal with this anxiety that they may never had, they may not have had before?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_10: Um so most of the kids, I think the kids that I'm you know working with as I think about it now, they already are struggling with kind of anxiety anxious thoughts or panic, panicky thoughts or things like that.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_10: And so honestly, this just is another thing on their plate.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_10: And so the skills that we already the thing the skills we've already been working on um now come into even more focus with dealing with fact you know, the facts of things rather than focusing in on the emotions of things.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_10: I think a lot of times when people have anxiety, they're they're worried about something that they have no control over, and this is no different.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_10: And so then I encourage people to go to to what are the facts of the situation?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_10: The facts are, you know, you you may get it, and the facts are you're probably gonna most likely you're gonna recover in five to ten days.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_10: Um and and so I I try to ground help people get grounded in facts and reality, other especially teenagers who are full of emotion, as you know, being a parent of some.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_07: Um so do you see if depending on how long this goes on, do you think the divorce rates in the United States will go up?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_10: Um I think I I think there's a possibility for that.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_10: I it's a the important thing is what you said, how long is it gonna go on for?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_10: Because if this is like a two or three-week thing, I think most people can tolerate being around one another for two to three weeks.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_10: Okay, it's and and plus we have the ability to roam outside, right?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_10: I think there are stories coming out of China where once the quarantine was lifted, couples went and immediately got divorced.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_10: And I we live in such a privileged place, whereas like in Wuhan, China, where this supposed um was supposed to have originated from, they were hardcore on their lockdowns over there.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_10: Like they were I saw videos of and I don't know if this is actually what happened, but I saw a video of a building being uh welded shut of an um an apartment building and then food being delivered to the people inside this building.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_10: Wow.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_10: Now they can do that in a communist country.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_10: That that couldn't happen here.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_10: Like there's too many guns.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_10: People have too many guns, and Americans are used to their freedoms.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_10: And so I I I think that in those situations, you were you were on a lockdown for four weeks, perhaps, five weeks, and you were forced to interact with this person, and I I you know, if you were forced to do that here, yes, I think you'd see a rise in divorce.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_10: It's why I've been encouraging I I uh wrote a uh or or I actually did a YouTube video and talked about if you're at home with people, I think it's good to have a schedule to provide yourself space.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_10: Now if you have teens like we do, teens want to go get their own space, and so you don't have to like provide for that.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_10: But I think if you're in a small space with and people are just like wanting to talk to you all the time, you need to have a conversation about creating some space between you.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_10: Like, hey, how about from two to four?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_10: We're just off doing our own things, and we can be in the same room, but let's just be doing our own things and not interacting.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_10: I think I think communicating about that is important.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_07: Lucky for me, like I said, my kids have gone into their own rooms, but my life, my wife has a uh one of the uh life essential jobs, so she's still going to work.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_07: So I she's home more, but she's still there part of the day, so I it I I have my separation there, so it's worked out really well for us.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_07: And um it's it's made it different because we're we're more aware of what's going on around us, and again, it's just one of those situations where I never thought I would see something like this happen.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_07: And um I'm hoping some of the positive things that I have seen happen in my household, I hope they continue on.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_07: But um I don't want the virus itself to still be here.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_07: So that's one of the things that um that that I'm trying to deal with on how do we extend what we're working on and how we're making it work.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_07: How do we keep it going once this situation's over?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I think currently for like to have to make things work well, it's like you have to communicate and have a plan.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_10: So my two oldest who were away at college are now back home.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_10: And um, my son is quarantined in our motor home for for the next couple days because a kid at his call he went back to get all his stuff, yeah, and a kid tested positive for coronavirus.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_10: So we have him quarantined in the motorhome, and so we have that luxury, right?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_10: A lot of people don't have that luxury, and so I think that it's super important to have a conversation um because you're gonna potentially have kids back home that you were not gonna be having home at all until maybe June, and then they get a summer job and you wouldn't see them that often, and now you're seeing them nonstop, and they're 19 and 20, and they think they know what's best for them.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_10: And and it's it's just it's just best to have a good conversation about expectations and um boundaries around personal space when everyone's home.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_10: Like I I'm my big thing was uh oh man, all our data is gonna get used with Comcast that we have.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_10: Because Comcast only gives you Comcast only gives you a terabyte of data.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_10: And when and a big family like I have seven kids, right?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_10: Wow 21 to 8.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_10: Wow.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_10: So we're all yeah, that's a lot of kids.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_10: One son out of all that, too.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_10: And uh so so then everyone's gonna be on a device.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_10: So I just had to bite the bullet and increase our limits to unlimited.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_10: And it's so privileged, right?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_10: It's so like it's so privileged when in other countries they're closing down and people are having to sing out of their balconies um because they're bored.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I I never thought of that.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_07: Um, that we are so privileged that you can pick up the telephone and you can make a phone call and say, oh, by the way, I want to do this.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_07: It's done instantaneously, but like you said, in Italy, they're not getting out, they're not able to do anything, and they're entertaining themselves by singing in the in public.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_07: So, yeah, you're right.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_07: I never would have thought of it that way.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_10: What one thing also is interesting that is uh in my line of work is people that have um sobriety you know are trying to maintain their sobriety.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_10: One of the things that people hadn't thought of is like AA groups have to close down.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, um, because they're not control they're not considered essential.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_10: So if any of your listeners are struggling, you know, struggling with sobriety, there are virtual AA groups that are currently happening.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_10: Um, so you can try to maintain your sobriety during this crazy time.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_07: I you know what, I never thought of that.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_07: I knew I I I uh thought about the churches and businesses doing stuff online, but I never thought about AA or Narcanon or the groups like that.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_07: Because one thing they did in Pennsyl I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_10: No, I mean it's just one of those another one of those things that you think, why would we have to think about that?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, it's just uh it's just unthinkable, but like the times are leading us to do that.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I know in the state of Pennsylvania that um the way we buy alcohol in this state is still backwards and antiquated.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_07: That we have liquor stores which sell hard alcohol, they closed them last week.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_07: And that you could go up until Tuesday at Tuesday at 8 o'clock, they closed them.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_07: But the places where you can buy beer and um other types of alcohol were still open.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_07: And one thing I heard today is that no one ever thought about these people that are that do drink on a regular basis.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_07: They may not be alcoholics, but if they don't have access to it, that's going to be mood mood altering in in a lot of cases.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_10: And I don't know, is uh weed available in Pennsylvania?
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_07: Um it is medicinal only, and we've been hearing stories where people can't get it because the uh dispensaries have been closed.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I don't know if dispensaries are considered essential in Washington State, but it's like, yeah, I it's I think the whole that that's a whole nother conversation about uh government control of liquor stores.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_10: Um it's it's funny because in Washington State within the last five years, I think it was, like you can sell them in safe ways, right?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_10: You can buy hard alcohol in safe ways now.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_10: But I just think it has to do with government control.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_07: So but they're but they're keep but they're keeping beer distributors open, which makes no sense to us whatsoever.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_10: But well, it's like follow the money, right?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_07: Well, that's true.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_07: That's very true.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_10: Follow the money.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_07: Um I made a joke to my wife before this got serious, and I said, we need to go and get whatever we need.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_07: She goes, No, I'll be open.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_07: I said, trust me.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_07: Went in, bought what I needed, and thank goodness I did.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_07: Because um you're not going to be able to get it for a while, because like it's not essential.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_07: And I again, what makes something not essential?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I don't know.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_07: It just one of those things, it's a definition, and I think you're right, follow the money, and that's probably the best way to look.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_10: It's whoever has the best lobbyists.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_07: That's what makes it that's probably true, too.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_07: So um you're pretty much doing all your therapy on online, correct?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_07: No face-to-face.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_10: So for me, it it there was a three-day period.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_10: So I sent out one email that said, I'm still gonna see people face to face.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_10: My wife is like, yeah, I don't know if that's a good idea.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_10: I sent out a second email that said, I'll do face-to-face in Zoom.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_10: And then after a heated conversation with my wife, the third email went out and said, I'm only going to do Zoom videos.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_10: Now, and and that was a matter of three days.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_07: Now, the question I have for you, because I know in the state of Pennsylvania they made some changes.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_07: Are you able to do that in Washington and still be able to bill for it because you're not actually sitting in the room with the people?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, they they've they had to do changes, and again, that's to me that's silly because uh there's the only difference is you're talking about all the same issues, it's just on a camera.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_10: And so I it it it leads me to b again to believe, okay, there's some lobbyist somewhere that said, No, we can't do this, because it's just it's much more convenient to be able to do it from your home.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_10: Um and some I I don't like it that much, but I can see the usefulness of it.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_10: So I don't know why, I don't know all the the history of why it's something that can't easily be done, but all the like the governor has changed stuff, the president has changed stuff so that it's much more easier to do now without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_07: Because I never understood that with medical doctors that were dealing with um uh physical issues, they could do telemedicine, but therapists couldn't do it.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_07: And that never made any sense to me whatsoever.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_10: It's it again, it's the thing of again, you g we'll create a whole nother conversation.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_10: It's it's about what uh the government wants to be in control of.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_10: So I'm licensed I'm licensed in the state of Washington, which means that I had to go through a bunch of like thousands of hours of supervision with clients, um, be doing work for two years, but yet if I move across the border 20 miles into Oregon, I I can't use my license in Washington for anything in Oregon.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_10: I have to go through their hoops.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_10: And if I went to Pennsylvania right now, I'd have to go through Pennsylvania's hoops.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_10: And so I think this reciprocity is something that um that it lobbyists have told senators, oh, we gotta have our own set of rules, when in reality it would be better for everyone if there was reciprocity in regards to licensing.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_10: It's the same with gun laws.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_10: Gun laws are the are the same, right?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_10: And so I don't know.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_10: I I I'm more libertarian in my views about things like this because I think I want people to get helped.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_10: And so if if someone from Pennsylvania thought I could help them and their family, they should be able to access my services in Washington State as long as I'm licensed.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_07: And see, I I'm wondering with what you just said there, that just rang a bell for me that they're worried about people going out of state to get services.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_07: That's probably more of it than anything else.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_10: That's I I agree with you.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_10: That's what I think is is more.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_10: So, like the the licensing bureau in Pennsylvania or Washington says, well, we gotta make sure that the money stays here.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_10: And uh so we're gonna we're not gonna let people from out of state come in here and even though they're licensed, even though they've gone through similar hoops, right?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_10: So that's where I think government is not great.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_10: But again, I tend to be more libertarian about those kinds of things.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_07: That that's that's really interesting because I don't think I would have ever thought of that.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_07: Because I have um I have a family member who's also a th who's a uh therapist, and she said that she just started um to be able to do it through Zoom, and I forget.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_07: What other service she's doing it at.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_07: But she said that the hoops that she had to go through just to be able to get the authorization to do it.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_07: I shouldn't say her, but her place of business.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_07: It was ridiculous.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_07: Because like you'd think you should be able to do this in ten minutes, not three days.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_10: Right.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_10: I I right.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_10: And so I think there's with this current crisis, they've waived a bunch of the requirements.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_10: Um and so you're able to do it more easily than you could have done it like three weeks ago.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_07: I'm wondering if they they will realize that some of the rules they had were so antiquated that because of the changes have been made the past few we the past week or seven days, um, if they will actually stick or they were modify them to bring them up into the twenty-first century.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_10: Well, um, you're dealing with insurance for profit insurance companies.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_10: And and usually they don't want to change things that could maybe lose them money.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_07: That's true.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_10: And so maybe they'd be like uh tele so if doctors do telehealth, they get paid at a lower rate than if a person goes in in uh in the building.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_10: And and so why would you ever want to do telehealth then?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_10: Um because because you're getting paid.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_10: And so I don't know.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_10: I mean there it would be nice to see some kind of positive change from this.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I I can I can actually see it for therapy because probably for that first step going into someone's office, that anxiety is just just very high because you don't know what you're in for.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, I've I've had so in the last two weeks I had two new clients that I never met, like I said earlier.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_10: But I've also had a new a new client that said, Oh, I don't feel comfortable um doing this for the first time without having met you.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_10: So I it goes either way, I think.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_07: Do you have any clients that have said, hey, I'm not coming in because uh or I'm not gonna talk to you because I think I can handle this um by myself right now because I'm not dealing with everyday stressors?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_10: Um, you know, I haven't had anyone say that specifically.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_10: I've had I've had many people say, uh, I think I'm gonna hold off until the virus thing is over with.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_10: Which which causes me to think, well, maybe they don't need therapy in the first place then.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_10: Maybe they're doing well enough that they don't need to see me.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_10: Because this would it would seem like this is the time that you'd be wanting to deal with the issues.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_10: But like one family, one couple that I was gonna see, they didn't want to do um telehealth because they're they have teenagers and teenagers can hear everything they talk about, and so they would rather be in my office with very listening ears.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_07: That makes sense.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_10: Which is understandable.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_07: Well, Dr.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_07: Dave, thank you very much.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_07: I really appreciate you taking time uh to talk to us, and um I think there's a lot of issues that you touched on tonight that I may have to bring you back on in the future to talk about again.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, feel free.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_10: This is great.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_07: So uh Dr.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_07: Dave uh Simonson, and thank you very much for joining me this evening.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_07: I really appreciate it, and uh good luck to you.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_07: Hopefully this whole thing goes away quickly and uh we can get back to normal in some way or fashion.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, thanks, Bill.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_09: Appreciate the time.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you very much, Dr.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_07: David Simonson here online with Bill Alexander here at wmck.fm and also at italknet.com.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_07: We're gonna step away for a brief message and then come back to wrap up today's program here online with yours truly, Bill Alexander.
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  SPEAKER_07: Hey, uh, coming up this Thursday night at 10 o'clock, we're going to be talking with um entertainer Tony Pace.
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• 50:38
  SPEAKER_07: We're also making arrangements for other guests in the next few weeks um dealing with this and also dealing with other happy issues that are not focused on the uh virus and the pandemic.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_07: But anyhow, we're gonna wrap up tonight's program.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you very much for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_07: Also, thank you for Dr.
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  SPEAKER_07: David Simonson, PhD therapist out of uh Washington, the state of Washington.
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  SPEAKER_07: Really appreciate that he was able to join us this evening and talk to us here online with yours truly, Bill Alexander.
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