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Deposition: Tom Althouse - Part 2 · Tom Althouse Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Work the Flying Pig with an excellent recommendation.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you you heard that? Would you have had a total.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful then that food court was a hundred years ago
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  Speaker 3: in my pre wid life.
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  Speaker 4: That was a locame. And then it became completely didn't
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  Speaker 4: you have any organizer?
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  Speaker 5: You did right? You did.
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  Speaker 2: A variety of small places like the focused on doing
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  Speaker 2: one thing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly, so who would she flames?
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  Speaker 5: This word?
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  Speaker 4: And all they do is make group tees.
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  Speaker 2: Just one brother's genius to afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I know, well I do uh.
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  Speaker 2: All boys all know here. I'm Scott a boy. I
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  Speaker 2: have goot a boy. Oh I think it's another guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's about twenty sixth.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, sad, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I am my grandchildren.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, you're just getting over a cold and this process
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  Speaker 2: is prolonging it a little bit. You'll be okay this morning.
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  Speaker 6: People get there.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah on the.
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  Speaker 6: Airborns right, little curson later.
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  Speaker 2: I think trouble was a big part of it. Must
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  Speaker 2: I'm warm me. A couple of days before the trip,
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  Speaker 2: he was h coming down with something and then I said,
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  Speaker 2: let's just do it anyway.
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  Speaker 5: We'll just go.
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  Speaker 6: But you're by airplanes. Something about airplanes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so as soon as we got here, we bought
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  Speaker 2: a bottle of night quill and knocked him out and
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  Speaker 2: he got a good night.
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  Speaker 6: I felt so bad for the little baby in front
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  Speaker 6: of me theout, seventeen months old. I got smiling and
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  Speaker 6: wave him.
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  Speaker 2: I was nappy on the plane too, but that baby
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  Speaker 2: was worse than a crying baby because it was just
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  Speaker 2: finding it's the boys that he'd got.
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  Speaker 6: About smiling and waving back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very very sweet, friendly baby.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I uh.
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  Speaker 3: I remember taking my older son to New York when
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  Speaker 3: he was eleven months old, like all the at that point,
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  Speaker 3: all three of us went, and then my son and
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  Speaker 3: I came back early.
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  Speaker 4: My husband saved the word.
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  Speaker 3: He was eleven months old, which means he had just
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  Speaker 3: he was t He was upright and mobile. He actually
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  Speaker 3: wasn't walking, but he was a champion cruiser.
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  Speaker 6: That kid.
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  Speaker 4: He could get, you know, from the and we spent
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  Speaker 4: the entire night walking.
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  Speaker 8: Up and down.
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  Speaker 2: That's good if you get some exercise, you haven't excuse
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  Speaker 2: to walk the aisles. And I walked around when.
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  Speaker 6: I was playing, apologized to lad was wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I have bought drinks for people around from.
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  Speaker 5: You.
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  Speaker 6: Now that's that's script matarial classic.
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  Speaker 4: Alright, Okay, didn't like that, Old Houser. Back to the georgioy, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: just a moment place. We are back on the record
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  Speaker 4: at two old five am. Welcome back mister Old's house.
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  Speaker 4: Ok thank you, mistrel.
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  Speaker 3: Has you've never communicated directly with Andy Wachowski?
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  Speaker 6: Have you never directly?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: And uh, you've never com communicated directly with LANDA Wachowski
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  Speaker 3: never drunkly?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: And what.
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  Speaker 3: How if you know, did either of the Wachowskis uh
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  Speaker 3: obtain your script mm.
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  Speaker 6: From a little I mean, yeah, if you know, if
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  Speaker 6: I know, I do not know the details of exactly
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  Speaker 6: how they obtained it. I know they had the access,
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  Speaker 6: and I know that that was clearly established that the
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  Speaker 6: access was there, and that I'd followed the directions of
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  Speaker 6: Warner Brothers to submitted that made it accessible.
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  Speaker 3: So is it your belief that the Wachowski's obtained your
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  Speaker 3: script from mister Silver?
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  Speaker 6: From what I understand it, it is my belief that, yes,
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  Speaker 6: they obtained the script from mister Silver. I believe that's
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  Speaker 6: that would be That would be my s sensuation.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And do you know when the Wachowski. Yes, UH finished
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  Speaker 3: the script for the First Majors.
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  Speaker 6: My understanding is drawing off of what I had been
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  Speaker 6: able to observe, and that is that statements that they
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  Speaker 6: had basically put to pen paper in ninety six and that,
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  Speaker 6: if a not mistaken production scripts were UH and Jill
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  Speaker 6: Silver apparently according to reports, was that after seeing their
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  Speaker 6: first film, which is called their I guess their audition piece, UH,
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  Speaker 6: he felt they were BIB he gave him the green
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  Speaker 6: light to go ahead with the Matrix project. And that
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  Speaker 6: was later, of course in UH, either between the ninety
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  Speaker 6: six ninety nine period.
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  Speaker 5: HM.
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  Speaker 3: And this information about that you just testified to about
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  Speaker 3: mister Silver giving the Wachowski's degree, like, M from where
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  Speaker 3: do you derive that information?
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  Speaker 6: This was derived from my understanding, from the Warner Brothers site,
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  Speaker 6: from interviews conducted by the Wachowskis, and also UH partly
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  Speaker 6: derived from testimony from Joe Silver.
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  Speaker 4: M what testimony from mister Silver?
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  Speaker 6: We would again address the Sophia Stewart UH Summery judgment
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  Speaker 6: before UH A.
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  Speaker 4: Part of that Okay, did you read.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know was mister Silver deposed in the Soviets
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  Speaker 3: Steary I didn't know if that stif it.
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  Speaker 6: Was called, was deposed. I know that his testimony was applied.
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  Speaker 4: And did you read that testimony or just the order?
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  Speaker 6: I read the the inclusions in the summary judgment. I
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  Speaker 6: did not read his full testimony.
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  Speaker 4: Have you read uh MSUs Stewart's.
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  Speaker 6: Story No, I've never seen it too.
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  Speaker 8: The date.
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  Speaker 6: I heard it was pretty bad.
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  Speaker 4: Who did you hear that from? MM?
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I really I derived that from reading summary judgment
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  Speaker 6: from your own testimony.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just gonna I advise my client to UH
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  Speaker 2: answer the questions and not uh had extraneous material that
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't passed?
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  Speaker 3: And did you read the declarations submitted in the storycase
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  Speaker 3: by uh the Wooch Housekis?
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  Speaker 6: Are you referring to the summary judgment?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I, I'm not referring to the order itself, but
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  Speaker 3: the actual declarations they submitted.
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  Speaker 4: And support a summary of the summary judgment.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't read any attached documents for the dependents.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I wanna go back to when you.
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  Speaker 3: UH said you had seen this website with the images
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  Speaker 3: of the girl in the train station and appointing correct. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and that was sometime in n y I think you
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  Speaker 3: said February twenty ten.
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  Speaker 6: I said, oh, it's correct, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then the first thing you did was, well, tell
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  Speaker 4: me what did you do once you saw those images?
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  Speaker 6: I call told my wife immediately issues in the next
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  Speaker 6: room and called her in. I was in the living
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  Speaker 6: room and showed.
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  Speaker 9: Her what I was looking at, and.
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  Speaker 10: I think, of course she was very supportive into like
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  Speaker 10: looking further into it, and uh, when we were reading,
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  Speaker 10: I was.
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  Speaker 6: Reading about what had been written, uh, further comments and such,
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  Speaker 6: and uh, I think what came up was a discussion
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  Speaker 6: at some point, either then or in the following days,
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  Speaker 6: was to I learned our friends, let them know what
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  Speaker 6: we had found and talk to them about what they
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  Speaker 6: thought about it, if it seemed something that should be
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  Speaker 6: looked at, or what their opinions were.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, And that's what we.
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  Speaker 4: Did, alright.
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  Speaker 3: So you said you you discussed with your wife the
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  Speaker 3: commentary that was with those two images.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember what that commentary was?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I don't remember discussing commentary per se. I remember
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  Speaker 6: looking at the images, sharing those, I remember reading information
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  Speaker 6: that was a was around it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 6: I can't remember exactly what we discussed, but I remember
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  Speaker 6: we were both pretty effective, pretty blown away by what
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  Speaker 6: we were seeing. And I believe we did discuss, you
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  Speaker 6: know what, what might.
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  Speaker 5: We do.
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  Speaker 6: So?
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  Speaker 4: And I I guess what my question was the information
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  Speaker 4: that was around those images. Do you remember what that was?
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  Speaker 6: I think it was referring to what those scene is entailed.
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  Speaker 6: There was a commentary, I believe, of course, feedback from people.
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  Speaker 6: It was like it had a section where I'm I'm mistaken,
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  Speaker 6: where people would make comments about what what they are
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  Speaker 6: reading on that that side or that blog or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and there was yeah, so you discussed with your wife,
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  Speaker 3: you decide you're gonna raise this with your friends.
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  Speaker 6: Is well to see, yeah, what they what they thought
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  Speaker 6: about it, if if they thought it was something, did
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  Speaker 6: they think it looked like a valid thing, or or
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  Speaker 6: if it was something, you know, get get an outside
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  Speaker 6: opinion from our trust's friends. We wanted to see what
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  Speaker 6: they thought. They're they're brilliant people.
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  Speaker 4: And so you had this gathering, okay, and how many
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  Speaker 4: people were there?
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  Speaker 9: Let me see.
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  Speaker 6: I believe we have pictures from the gathering and it
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  Speaker 6: was I'd say about at least about twelve people or so,
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  Speaker 6: or maybe even twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Kay, and what happened at this gathering.
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  Speaker 6: We discussed what we had seen and what we had found,
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  Speaker 6: and uh, we had a informal I believe, like a
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  Speaker 6: game done at the same time. We we made it
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  Speaker 6: not just about that, but we did circulate, but we
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  Speaker 6: had found. We dug up the submission letter and we
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  Speaker 6: we had it and we s we passed it around,
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  Speaker 6: looked at it and uh from our files and we
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  Speaker 6: were like, uh, number one one gentleman in particular was
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  Speaker 6: saying the old spill coffee on that that could be
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  Speaker 6: a you know, an important, very worthwhile letter or something
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  Speaker 6: along to that effect. And it was a a very upbeat,
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  Speaker 6: encouraging mood, and I remember thinking it was like unanimous
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  Speaker 6: with them all going like this is really powerful. This
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  Speaker 6: needs to be looked on and.
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  Speaker 8: Encourage 'ment all around it.
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  Speaker 4: There were these people who had read the Immortal Script.
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  Speaker 9: No, of course not.
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  Speaker 4: And by this gathering, had you watched either of the
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  Speaker 4: second two Matrix movies.
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  Speaker 8: No, So the.
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  Speaker 4: The discussion was about just these two images.
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  Speaker 6: No, all the discussion was about the images plus the
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  Speaker 6: content whatever. You know, we're reading what we'd seen, what
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  Speaker 6: we'd research, what we'd see. So it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: back when I looked into after we saw that initial
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  Speaker 6: site with the pictures, we started looking up other sites too,
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  Speaker 6: and did some looking into it.
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  Speaker 8: At first.
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  Speaker 6: We wouldn't have called our friends if we didn't have
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  Speaker 6: some you know, looking into it first.
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  Speaker 4: Did you take s like screen prints of the the
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  Speaker 4: first two images that you saw.
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  Speaker 3: W d not later, but at the time, the images
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  Speaker 3: that you saw on the original website?
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  Speaker 2: Did you do it?
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  Speaker 6: I don't remember taking screen prints, my me. I don't
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  Speaker 6: remember myself taking any screen prints off of it, mkay.
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  Speaker 3: And what in doing this research between this first discovery
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  Speaker 3: and and this gathering what.
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  Speaker 4: Other what did you what did you live up?
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  Speaker 6: You mean what sites did I look at?
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  Speaker 8: Correct?
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  Speaker 6: I believe I put in the search engine matrix story
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  Speaker 6: things along that line, search engine elements that might uh
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  Speaker 6: give information on what the whole story was of the film,
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  Speaker 6: what the whole plot was, and and I started getting
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  Speaker 6: synopsiss of what the story.
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  Speaker 9: Was running through.
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  Speaker 6: And I believe that definitely wasn't learning to me that
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  Speaker 6: there was something here. I remember being upset and letting
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  Speaker 6: my wife know as I was discovering.
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  Speaker 3: And was this the f all three Matrix movies or
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  Speaker 3: just the last two at this point that you're looking.
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  Speaker 6: At whatever popped up on the search engine. So if
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  Speaker 6: it do I just I remember I always referred to
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  Speaker 6: the three as the matrix, and so it would show
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  Speaker 6: all three I believe would pop up. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 6: my best guesses it was all three. The things associated
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  Speaker 6: with the images that I initially saw apparently are from
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  Speaker 6: the third. So as I res as I put in
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  Speaker 6: the search engine, train station or little girl with a
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  Speaker 6: son matrix, these things would I think inadmirably call up
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  Speaker 6: the third mostly.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you do this research and then you have
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  Speaker 4: this gathering.
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  Speaker 2: Yes we did.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know exactly how long after. It wasn't immediate,
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  Speaker 6: but we did.
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  Speaker 4: We did have a gathering, okay, and was that within
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  Speaker 4: a month.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not certain. I'm sure we can find but I'm
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  Speaker 6: not certain what exactly that timeframeans. I would do you
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  Speaker 6: injustice by trying to s just speculate, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then what happened.
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  Speaker 6: They had said that it was, you know, they were suggested,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you should go look into this, definitely, and
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  Speaker 6: they were trying to figure out what might be uh.
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  Speaker 6: I remember, hm, I was uh teaching swimming and uh,
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  Speaker 6: one of my students.
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  Speaker 8: Was a.
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  Speaker 6: Well, of course it's my attorney's son, and inevitably teaching
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  Speaker 6: swimming to my attorney's son. I shared what I had found,
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  Speaker 6: and Anthony graciously suggested to speak to him, and I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I handed up that how much long?
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  Speaker 3: How long after the roughly February two thousand time, uh discovery?
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  Speaker 4: Did you speak to mister Lincoln? And I'm not asking
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  Speaker 4: for the content.
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  Speaker 6: Of your conversation, right, I kN I'm sorry, got you off?
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: I understand.
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  Speaker 6: That I'd have to discuss with him. I'm not ch
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  Speaker 6: certain when that class was or which of the classes were.
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  Speaker 6: We made a series of classes where I teach the swimming,
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  Speaker 6: so on it it would be on a Saturday, of
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  Speaker 6: certain that the the subject was approached.
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  Speaker 4: But in terms of.
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  Speaker 3: Was it weeks or months or years after February two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and ten, it's it's not longed.
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  Speaker 6: In my mind, it's it's something I really held on
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  Speaker 6: to it simply it simply occurred.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a reason that between that, uh, you didn't
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  Speaker 3: follow your lawsuit until almost three years after this February
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  Speaker 3: two thousand.
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  Speaker 4: And ten discovered.
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  Speaker 6: I can't recollect what the reasons they were. I think
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  Speaker 6: it was between attorney and client determined that way.
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  Speaker 11: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And do you ever written agreement with mister right?
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  Speaker 5: We do, okay?
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  Speaker 4: And is mister making being paid by the hour or
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  Speaker 4: I object to that?
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  Speaker 2: That's attorney client privilege.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually not.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The the the financial structure of your relationship is not privilege.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have authority on that?
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  Speaker 12: I do, which I would be have to provide a Well, okay,
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  Speaker 12: but uh you want 'em to answer the question now,
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  Speaker 12: and I'm m uh not going to let him answer
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  Speaker 12: that based on attorney client privilege. We can come back
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  Speaker 12: to it if you wanna find me authority okay, and
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  Speaker 12: I'll object also based on relevance and uh not likely
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  Speaker 12: to lead to discovery of any relevant evidence.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the first matrix all the way through?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 6: That one, I can't say I saw it all the
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  Speaker 6: way through because of being nauseous through most of it.
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  Speaker 6: I I don't think I subject myself to seeing the
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  Speaker 6: whole thing when I'm throwing off.
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  Speaker 4: And since you started in the theater, uh in the
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  Speaker 4: late nineties, have you seen it? Have you watched it again?
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  Speaker 6: The only other time I watched it was in parts.
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  Speaker 6: After I was directed by my attorney to view it again,
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  Speaker 6: I had the same situation I had before.
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  Speaker 3: Now from.
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three. Oh and
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  Speaker 4: I think when did you move to hawaite?
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  Speaker 6: I believe that was two thousand am two? Kay, And
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  Speaker 6: I flew out right near the anniversary of nine eleven,
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  Speaker 6: cause I definitely stuck in my mind. But they're flying
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  Speaker 6: to see in front of my life.
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  Speaker 4: So in between ninety nine and two thousand and two, y,
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  Speaker 4: you were in Virginia, So that correct, I believe that
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  Speaker 4: is correct, okay, And then.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand two and two thousand three, end of two
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  Speaker 3: thousand two, two thousand three, you're in Hawaii. Correct, that's fair?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now during that four year period, UH, did you ever
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  Speaker 4: go see movies in the theater?
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  Speaker 6: Really? I hardly ever go in and see movies. Usually
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  Speaker 6: my wife knows that I will end up either talking
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  Speaker 6: in the movie, or I will get nauseous in the movie,
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  Speaker 6: or I will hm, I have trouble in enjoying the film.
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  Speaker 13: UH.
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  Speaker 3: During the ninety three to two thousand and three time period,
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  Speaker 3: did you subscribe to any.
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  Speaker 4: UH publications that cover the film business? Like Entertainment Weekly
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  Speaker 4: or Premiere or any of those.
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  Speaker 6: Not to my knowledge, there weren't any.
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  Speaker 4: Did you read the newspaper.
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  Speaker 6: Hardly? Ever, I usually had the same kind of reaction.
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  Speaker 3: You s read Time or Newsweek or any of those
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  Speaker 3: kinds of publications.
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  Speaker 4: I do not, Kay. During the ninety nine two thousand
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  Speaker 4: three time period, did you uh.
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  Speaker 3: Watch you know, ciscool and eBird or any of those
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  Speaker 3: kinds of shows about movies?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Not to my knowledge?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Now do you have a TV?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: We use Netflix for the family, and if if the
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: family buys a video or DVD, that's it. We do
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: not have any kind of cable or for subscription to
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: any kind of channels.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Mkay. And in ninety three to two thousand and three
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: was that? Did you have a television? Ninety ninety two
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: thousand and three, Just be m thank you, cause I can.
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: Know what I just said.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: I understand. Give me the time break again.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Ninety ninety two thousand and three.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I don't recall having a TV that I was with
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: the programming on it. Now I remember that even if
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: I was at someone's place and they were playing the news,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: it would affect me. So I didn't watch the news.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Have you watched, uh, the Matrix Reloaded all the way through.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: My attorney instructed me to watch the films.
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: I believe I was able.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: I can get through the entire piece, but I had
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: to do it. Took about four or five days. I
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: could watch a segment not would get sick, and then
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: I'd watch them on a segment and get sick. So
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: it was a very hard process.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And that was for per movie or have you it?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: That was for Matrix Reloaded number two, four, two and three.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, when you saw the images from February two thousand
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and ten, were you aware that there had been sequels
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: to the original Matrix?
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: I have since learned. I mean not at that time,
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: but if I've since learned there was something called the
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: anim Matrix and and some other things that I've.
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: Not seen them.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, let me.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I'm I didn't ask a very good question at the time.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: You s when you saw these images in February two
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: thousand ten.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Prior prior to seeing.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Those images, did you know of the existence of the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: second and third Matrix movies?
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: I believe.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Yes, I knew there was a second and third film,
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: though there were films that were the second and third
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: of it. I always referred to just as a matrix. Yeah, uh, okay,
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: And how did you know that I had heard it?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: And uh, you testified it earlier that when you saw
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: the first matrix you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Had some questions based upon the things on the backs
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: of the next people.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't not to be rude, but I'm not trying
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: to be rude, but I wouldn't ref phrase it that way.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: I would say that it there was a similarity there,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: but it didn't. It didn't strike me as something that
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: was you know, oh my gosh, it was. I see
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: similarities in other things that I don't react to.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But I thought you was testified that to your knowledge, Uh,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you were unaware of anyone else who.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Had used the concept of the things in the back
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: of the.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Neck ah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Before you before the Immortal Script.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Correct as the way I described it as the way
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: I had envisioned it and presented to the Warner brothers.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: I had not seen it done before, mkay and so and.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: That, and the way you envisioned it is similar to
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: the way it appears in the matrix.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Correat is very similar to how it appears in the Matrix.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't use a huge stabbing into the back of
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: the neck thing. But I did have the hookup that
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: goes in the back of the neck. I think they
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: went overboard, and but.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: That didn't You didn't.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: You not only didn't do anything to investigate that similarity
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: when you saw the first but the fact that there
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: were subsequent matrices matrices.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Didn't cause you to undertake any investigation.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: The fact that I get sick and nauseous if I
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: watch a violent film, coupled with the fact that I
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: was told that they were badly done, did not prompt
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: me in any way to go see those films.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Now, we talked a little bit earlier about the process
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: of writing.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: The Immortals, and in writing The Immortals, did you consult
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: any other works?
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: None.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I wanted something to be, as I said when I
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: had been told in school that all ideas have been
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: done or rehashes of other ideas. In my mind, fixed
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: was the idea. I wanted to create original material, something
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: that would dispel that in a sense and affect and
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: move people, maybe encourage them. So when I wrote The Immortals,
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: I was very careful to stay away from, uh what
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I was aware of might be any sources that would
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: be a rehash and the one to c s focus
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: on creating brand new material as far as I would
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: be aware.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Now, I know you talked in your blog about religious
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: themes in the Immortals.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: I trusted that I did.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: If you say so, I mean, did you even consult
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: religious texts? Not just the other people, not just copywriting work?
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I've read the Bible, okay, and it was
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: an inspiration and source uh for the Immortal's conception or
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: for I elements in it. Basically, were there.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Any other inspirations and sources for elements in the m
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I Mortals?
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: The only other thing that could be an inspiration It
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: wasn't text. It was art direction and I made that
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: clear to the executive when I pitched it. I asked,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: and may even have on the It may be included
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: on the story treatment itself. I asked that the art
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: direction from Blade Runner be considered, since it was so
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: well done. I thought that would be a fitting UH
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: style and look for the film, and the executive seemed
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: to agree.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Now, did the Blade Runner make you naucous?
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Yes, parts of it obviously?
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Did.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I remember when we Stabbing the Hand, I had trouble
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: watching it very much, so I was getting nauseous. What
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: I can say for Blade Runner it it was well written,
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: well conceived, and I remember thinking they had done a
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: very good job. The art direction was unbelievable from all
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: the components of making a film. I thought it was
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: way ahead of its time. So I did watch that film,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: even if I did have effect.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: No, not go anywhere, just.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: What did you send to the Writer's Guilt.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Was the best of my recollection.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: It was a a screenplay, was the as I recall.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: I believe it was the story treatment. And I do
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: you not know if that submission included the music? I
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: know if it was a copy of the music and
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: sheet music.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Oh and why did you send it to the writer Skilt?
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: I was told that that was a way to help
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: protect your work and that it was something you did
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: as a writer if you're going to submit work.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: And do you are you a member of the rider Skild?
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm a member of it. I
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: simply followed the directions that I was given for submission.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know being a member is part of that requirement?
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Uh, what's more than seven?
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: I usorr.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: And UH. Exhibit seven is a one page document dated
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: July second, nineteen ninety three. Two Regina at Writer's Skill
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: of America.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Yeast uh.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: And do you recognize this document?
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: Uh?
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: That's sorry, familiar? Yes, mkay.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: And do you see where it says my name is
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Tom Albhouse and I have a story treatment that needs
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: to be registered?
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Mkay?
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Does that refresh your recollection as to what you actually submitted?
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Well? I believe that was story treatment plus script, cause
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: it was on the SAD registering inclosed materials of which
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: I am the sole author.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Okay. So you're understanding is the enclosed materials when include
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the script? That's what I would understand, okay.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And did you keep a copy of the materials themselves
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: that you submitted to the Writer's Skill?
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Well, we have numerous copies of what I believe was
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: submitted guests, mkay.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: But did you keep them together with the cover so that.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: You could I didn't keep it connected.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: With this okay.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Now it also says, uh, I'm writing to request a
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: copy of your curst of agents. Do you see that?
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm sorry, yes I do.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And did you receive that list?
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I did, okay? And did you attempt to obtain an
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: agent I.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Was informed that UH attorneys would be better than a nagent,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: that would be more powerful than an agent, so we
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: went with the attorney option.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: And who told you that attorneys would be more powerful?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I believe that was the.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: By guessing, but to the best of my knowledge, it
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: was the executive had said to submit it and gave
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: me explicit destructions and NAUGHDYA had the friend who was
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: the attorney, and what was ados to us was to
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: submit it through him because that would give it great
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: protection gretest protection HM.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: If you recall when you registered the copyright and the.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: Immorals, I believe that would be I mean, I I
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: know your documentation submitted, but I believe it would say
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: somewhere around ninety eight, ninety six, ninety eight.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: And why did you wait until?
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not trying to be try No, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: only H.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I only have one copy of this because I just
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: printed out. So let's markets. Exhibit eight.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Is a one page document from which is a print
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: out from the copyright Offense UH of the UH catalog.
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: Information for the immorals M which I I'm sorry I
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: keep doing this to you, know, which I UH obtained
• 38:57
  Speaker 14: from a copyright office website, yester, and if you want
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: to take.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: A quick look, well, that's good, okay.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: And uh, you say that as an effective date of.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety six, yes, and does that refresh your recollection
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: as to when.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: You submitted the more?
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: Certainly does a great refreshment, okay.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: And why did you submit the immortals for copyright protection
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six?
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: We were informed by the copyright attorney and also we
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: were advised by the executive too.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: But first of all, we.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: Were informed by the copyright attorneys that as soon as
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: you put pen to paper, it is for all purposes copyrighted.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: He said that registration Rider's Guild and to submit it
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: through attorneys would be proof that it had been created,
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: uh on that day or before that date?
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Okay? So then why did you register in nineteen eighty.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Six when I was out in California.
• 40:26
  Speaker 15: Partentanic Canyon, I was, I had that phone conversation with
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: Dinond dollis the best one of collection.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: She would have said to make sure it was submitted
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: basically through an agent or protected. So I believe what
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: I did was I protected it and submitted it to
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: h wait further protection. I mean that's that's the best
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: reflection I would have. Maybe that's what it would be
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: another certain exactly who had spoken to me about it,
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: but I know that I was supposed to that it
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: would be the move to go ahead and take final
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: steps to make sure be secure.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's go back to the complaint, which I really
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: was Exhibit one.
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: And specifically again starting on page heat excuse me, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: starting on page.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Eight, there are about twenty four pages, almost twenty five
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: pages of.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Uh similarities between the Immortals and the second two Matrix movies.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Correct, yeah, okay?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: And did you put together other this the information on
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: these with respect to these similarities.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: This was something that was compiled through attorneys and also
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: through my wife and also through the assistance of uh
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: the gentleman. I guess who sent that press release. They're
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: the ones that really had compiled it, and I was
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: allowed to have inputs in the process to try to help.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, so other people actually compiled these similarities.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: They're the ones that kept me in prised of what
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: we were doing, and I was the one that was
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: able to you know, I've read it and verified as.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: We went.
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: And and the.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Who is mister Leventhal He's.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: A graduate of Stanford and a gentleman like many who
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: had followed the Matrix trilogies. And he, I guess has
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: his own business or something, but he's one who had
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: heard that I was the original author of the story
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: and it first didn't believe it, of course, and then
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: came to understand, as he says, or we ought to
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: talk to him, but he then realized that wow, that
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: you know this guy actually did it, and then UH
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: asked to be involved in helping to uh compile information.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: How long have you known mister Leventhal?
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: Not longed? I would say I've known him maybe two years?
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: And uh is April eleventh a his wife?
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: That's correct?
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Kay?
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: And uh back, how All's house is your wife?
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: No, it makes sense.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: And but you've read the lists of similarities that appear.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: In the complaint.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: Well, I think.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: When you show me this this press release, I've never
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: really s seen this through, but I believe there's a
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: in uh enhand store of updated born there or something.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: But I know that there was some.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: This is not the full listening.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: If I believe it's not the full listing of the
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: not checks.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: This is.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: A pretty thorough listing but not the complete Okay, mistaken.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: And the complete list is what's in the UH press kit.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: I haven't had a chance to really look through that through,
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: but I believe UH, the party we're talking about has
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: a complistic and UH has conveyed that that he has
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: a I believe it's around one hundred and sixteen matchups.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And how if you know, UH it is this all organized?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, do I start with what's in the.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Second Matrix movie and somewhere along the line I'd go
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: to the third or how.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: Are you asking if it's chronological?
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Correct?
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: I do not believe it's chronological. I believe it's UH
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: thematically based in the sense of elements. So an element
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: is I think I think it's followed through as elements.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: So if you're talking about the attachments to the neck,
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: I think they they've addressed those in serious sequence and
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: then they go on to other elements. I think that's
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: how they chose to do it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, And are all of the elements in the right
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: hand column the infringing works call them from the matrix
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: reloaded and the matrix revolutions.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: That's my understanding from what it says. Yes, Okay, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: you don't know for sure, well says it on there.
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna go by basis of that that it is.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And are all of the elements in the left hand
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: column the protected literary work the immortals that column, are
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: all of those elements elements that you that are original
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to you?
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: I believe they are, unless there's a spelling error or
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: if there's been names crossover and who characters are, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: I believe that it was all original to my material.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 48:05
  Speaker 17: So and.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: So we talked about, uh a little bit about the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: enhancers earlier today.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, alright.
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: And and then.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: At the bottom of page which he ate of exhibit one,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: we start talking about.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: In your uh were Hitler's the creator of the Immortal's program.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: It is of his design and planning.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: He had multiple versions of the drug in order to
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: protect it in this version, and now he is ready
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: to kill off all but.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: The chosen for you to start again. And then Hitler
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: in real life, Hitler's hobby.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And passion was architecture, That's true, and he shout becoming
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: an architect, and he designed the future capital city.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Of Germania along with Albert Spears.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: And then on the right it's the architect is the creator.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: So s strike that. So some of the information on
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: on in your column, the information that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Are are in fact the facts. Yeah, that Hitler uh
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: had a hobby and a passion for architecture. That stuff
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: that those are, those are facts. You didn't create those, correct,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: And the well prize I created that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: No, that's that's stuff I don't claim to create.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: So the part that you created is by you chose
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Hitler as a character, and Hitler has certain attributes.
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: Hitler designs the program as the architect designs the program.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Hitler is an architect. That's what he was known most for.
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: Apart from trying to conquer the world. His plans were
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: to be an architect after he had finished the war.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: And so it the similar here is that you chose
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: a character that has a uh that was an architect.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: And in the Matrix films there is an arch the
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: the the character who creates the matrix.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: It's called the architect.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm just saying the similarity would be that I
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: have an architect who designs the program that includes the
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: dome and other aspects, and as it says here, to
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: take society and kill off aspects of it. It it
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: just yes, I believe that the Hitler, as far as
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: Hitler the architect interchangeable. Basically the plot lines are the same.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: And are you aware of any.
• 50:49
  Speaker 18: Other works that have a character that designs and plans.
• 51:09
  Speaker 17: A system for lack the better word, to kill off
• 51:18
  Speaker 17: everyone but the chosen few in order to start again?
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: Not the extent of how this matches up so clearly?
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Can you think of of any that don't match up
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: as clearly?
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: An objection to the form of the question, I find
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: it ambiguous.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Answer if you understand it, if you'd like to understand it,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sure how to approach it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, are are you aware of any other UH
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: works in which you have UH a character.
• 51:58
  Speaker 19: That designs and plans a system for the purpose of
• 52:05
  Speaker 19: killing on all but the chosen few in order to.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Start it in?
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't know how to address it. As far as
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: the system, that's such a broad term. I could dress
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: it as a program.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not aware of any others that.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: Would have a program designed the extent of that's I
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: I how this one car lights I I have to
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: say no.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, And then if we go down to the next similarity.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: UH.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: It it is part of Hitler's plan to exterminate all
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the shorts and purge, and to purge and create a
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: new world.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: And it is the plan of the.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Architect to terminate the inhabitants of Zion and restart the program.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Do you see that?
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: I do see that?
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: And are you aware? And is the concept of UH
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: a plan to exterminate a group of people, to purge
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: them and create a new world original to you? I don't.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: I don't claim that exterminating people is an original concept.
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: I do claim that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: As far as the architect similarities and what they're intending
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: to do within a program, that the similarities are uncanny
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: between the two films.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: UH.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: And then.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: You have Jim in the Immortal Script is the key
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: to saving the people and stopping the deaths of all
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: that the chosen?
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Is that a something that you claim to be original
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: to you?
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: As far as the character Jim an Immortal Script, I'm
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: not sure of the questions.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's not so much the character, but you have
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: identified as one similarity that both in both works have
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: a protagonist who is the key to saving the people
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: and stopping the deaths of all but the chosen.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: Correct. I'm sorry to Pete, how wasn't reading it while
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: you were a speak el Sure?
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: So one of the similarities that you have identified is
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: that both and to both works have a protagonist who
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: is the key or the only person that can save
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: humanity and stop the extermination of all that the chosen up.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Correct. That's one of the similarities to you of I anty,
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: and that's.
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: The one you have here.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, I believe that I would include that it's an
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: unlikely hero who is the key to saving the people
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: would be likely and original concept, definitely, because that was
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: even something that was stated on Naked's sites that I
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: found that they were saying that was a unique element
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: in themselves.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I mean presence of an unlikely hero or the presidence
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: of the unlikely hero in the form.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Of mew was you know, or what was on those subs.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: The idea of a hero that's an unlikely one saving
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: all humanity from now steps, I think would be a
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: original idea.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: And so it's your testimony that as of nineteen ninety three,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: that's the story of the unlikely hero saving all of
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: humanity had not previously been told.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: I would say the unlikely hero as developed and presented
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: in the story screenplay. The way he was described and
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: presented was original in.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: As Jim as Jim Okay. And what other than being
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: an unlikely hero, what do Jim and Neo have in common?
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: I would have to first of all, Saturday, I would
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: have to rely on the materials that I've already been
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: entered into evidence to look at that.
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: So I don't.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: Undercut myself by saying something that I don't have remembered.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: But if we include the materials as they speak for themselves,
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: I would say, Jim and Neo, there's many elements that
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: are unique to this and similar such as ending up
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: in the train station and facing off of the little
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: girl and being trapped between the programs and having to
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, it goes on and on, having to face
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: these agents and having the things go in the back
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: of the neck and having a girl h or have
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: to help him so that he can actually access the
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: dome in the end.
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: It goes on and on.
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: So I would just I would think we'd say our
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: time by saying it's in the materials. How many elements
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: that create in this character of Jim to be absolutely
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: very much identical to the Neo that was then used
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: for the Matrix story of our stories.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Now Neo is a is single correct in the matrix
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: with at the beginning.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Of the first matrix, I believe he is signal and
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: he's a computer hacker.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: So I believe that is correct.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: And uh, he's he's rebellious.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: I would say that's correct.
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: And Jim is a family man. He is and he's
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: not a computer hacker. Correct.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: TeamWorks in the UH government offices, right, And so.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: You've given me other similarities. What I'm trying to understand
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: here is is are other than are? Is it the
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: fact that they are both on the likely heroes that
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: makes them similar? Or is there something else that you've identified?
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: There's many things that are are similar and in fact
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: with what was what what I've read about too about
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: the brother's choice or demand whenever you will uh not
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: to have the relationship with the main character to any
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: family or to any basic loved ones was reported to
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: be a dispute between Jail Silver and them. So I
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: say that the script, the major script itself, is very
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: telling from what is missing and what is included, which
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: is you still have a little girl there a little
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: girl at the end, you still have the train station,
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: you still have the elements that are included in mind exactly,
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: but you don't have a relationship, and as a result,
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: you end up with the result where it's voted one
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: of the worst eight films of all time.
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: If I'm not mistaken what I.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Was reading, they a travel the story. They hinge it
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: by taking out the relationships they demanded that they kind
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: of stated they didn't want. They didn't want a central
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: sympathetic character, is what the reading was uh suggesting, And
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: they didn't want a love story basically in their first
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: involvement for a first film, theirs their audition piece that's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: called online. So I would say that even what's remained
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: makes the story uh not froncohesive, and it's remained in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: the matrix and story remains one of the most confusing
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: films because of that. So I would say, yes, the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: similarities are completely there between Jim and Neo. Even so
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: fact the shadow or representation of that that element of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: family could be inserted back in to make sense of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: the project.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: Alright, Moving down, Uh, Jim is a champion for the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: free people.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: He is doing all he can to save and free
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: them from their situation, whereas Neo is the capital of One,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: the savior of the free people. His whole purpose is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: to free them from their situation. Now, the concept of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: the one is not original.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: To you, is it? No?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: Mm, that element of that entry the one.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Uh Gim is given an information's chip with a secret
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: message from do you.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: Pronounce it Wagner or Whatner?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Wogner?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Bogner, and Neo is given an earpiece as a secret
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: message from Chi from Smith and an information chip from
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: the Oracle with a secret message.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: Correct, that's what it reads.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Now the Oracle is not analogous to Wagner. Correct
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: and elious. Okay, So Wagner's a bad guy, right.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: Vogner is someone who is say like villain if you will,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: Although I do not like to write I just write
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: villains with layers.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: But but he's not a hero. He's not a hero,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: and he's not part of the resistance that Jim is
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: part of.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Correct, he's not part of resistance.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: And the Oracle is is on the side, Ah is
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: on NEA's side?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: Correct? Say No, the Oracle is never defined. That's why
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: it's rated one of the worst pictures of all times.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: For that very fact, cause they leave it completely ambiguous
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: what the oracle is. Would you not know if the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: oracle's good or bad or what she stands for? They
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: make no sense of it whatsoever.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: But she's but but she is also not clearly a villain.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: She's not clearly anything.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: And is it your.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Testimony that being given in the hero being given an
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: information chip with a secret message from the villain, that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: that is a concept that is original to you?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: I would say it's an elevation of film. That's that's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: unique to these films, completely unique.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: There's no other film that where where information is being
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: passed through information chips.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: As the scenes match up, and if we looked at
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: them both, I do not see anything that compares like that.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, And those scenes happen, do you know, do they
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: happen sort of in the same order in your script
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: as in the Matrix movies?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: From what I recall, you appeared to yes, okay?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: And how do you know that?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: Because my attorney asks me to watch the films, and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: so after a couple of days of getting through it,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: I watched 'em.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: Hm.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: And in what film is Neo given an information chip.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: From the oracle to the best of my recollection, it
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: would be is a second or the third, But you
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: don't know which I watched them. We notated it. It
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: would be in our evidence.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: And do you know whether, for example, the chip, the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: information chip comes before or after the train?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: See, I just know it's an element that's there. I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: do not know without consulting notes, whether it is before
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: or after.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, And it's not your contention that.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: The elements of the Matrix movies appear are organized in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: the same way.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: As the elements of the felt correct, so that I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: can't read through this chronologically. We already established that, right.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: My standing is such that if you took the hundred
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: and sixteen entries I'm told as a hundred and sixteen, well,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: see if that's correct or not.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: It could be the undertake.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: As you read those, you would see how elements that
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: match up strikingly. I believe with both films, screenplays, screenplays
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: and the film, and that it appears to have been
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: that entire sequences and contents of scenes were kept for
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: the most part intact, and that it looks like some
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: may have been shuffled throughout, which would be the process
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: in ripping off a film. I would say, like a
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: chop shot. They would take entire scenes, and they may
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: move it a little bit, but it's pretty much in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: the same order, and the final sequence of scenes is
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: completely matching up. When you put it on to paper,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: it's completely matches up. So I would say that they
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: may have wrenched it a bit, but the story is
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: the same. The elements are strikingly similar to one hundred
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: and sixteen of 'em, so which you ever way you
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: slice or dice it, it's the same same piece.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: And uh, is there a single piece of dialogue that
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: you claim was copied from your subscription?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: There's entries in the hundred and sixteen that show sim yeah,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: similar dialogues in similar direction, such as uh one that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: says something about the world's greatest dog bite. It's basically
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: vaccinated both pieces. You have other elements too. You also
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: have twists of names that are very interesting, including my own.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: Four.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: That's the thom Anderson versus Tom.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: Thomas A Anderson. Yes, and you are Iron Thomas a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: Iron Thomas.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Altouse, but you're Thomas p all t House correct.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: I don't think the brothers really cared about that distinction, Kay.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: And do you uh are you aware of any other
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: character in literary history named Thomas Anderson.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: I'm not aware of it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: Mkay.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: Are you aware of any other person whose name might
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: be Thomas A.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: Anderson? I'm not aware of I'm sure you can find
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: something in a phone book.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Do you know if the Wachowskis, for example, know anyone
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: named Thomas A.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Anderson.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: I'm not aware of that. I've informed that every or
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: I've read that every name basically in every number has
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: a purpose within the matrix of itself.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: If you go to page eleven about well the third
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: thing down says Jim and Barringer hate each other.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: And are each other's nemeses.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: And similarly, Smith and Neo hate each other and are
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: each other's nemeses. It's not an original concept for there
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: to be nemeses in films, correct, no, mkay, or in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: any kind of literature.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: No, okay uh.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: And so the fact that both films have nemeses in
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: the d isn't It can't be evidence of copying canon.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: I believe think this is referring to the similarity between
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: the films itself, about the specific relationship and how they
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: were uh developed and played out within the film.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Alright, let's go off the record, just twelve more things.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 20: This is the end of disc number two of You,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 20: number one of the position of Thomas All's House on
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 20: December thirteen of the year twenty thirteen year off the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 20: record at three eleven p.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: M uh okay, I'm gonna run to the restroom.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Let me get some more tea.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: That's weird to.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you for remember think your patient, lads must have been.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: Some boring thing you guys, ever been through?
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• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: Well or fer it? Oh?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, could be how fuse were you going.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: On the last night? That's right? Ah?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, Fortunately I.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: Didn't see any of these Matrix movies Sawing, al Boling, no.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Things, little scientists.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: I feel like I know you guys now, anybody would
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: like we have walk something?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: Oh you al right?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: Now they say that you go through something together and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: like transitive fact, and I feel like like your family,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: they're some fun grown It's like a big rounds for
• 1:13:20
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• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Would you like far around?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Is it snow?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: It bitterly cold, bitterly.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 21: Cold, bitter it was supposed to be the high it
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 21: was supposed to be three degrees or today I.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: Can imagine that more three degrees. I mean either that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: doesn't even sound to here. There's something about a planets in.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: The human.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 22: I remember when I lived there that they would have
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 22: these announcements in the morning that, uh, you had to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 22: make sure that you were covered because in fifteen seconds
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 22: you could get frost binaries.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you can't walk to your car and scrape.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: All of the snow rock, right, you can't even get
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: to a shelter in that house.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: No, there's no way.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness too.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: But every year people like our people go downstairs and.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 20: Uh, do you have a car are found or rosen
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 20: in their doorways because they checked no weather cable area.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 21: In the month of January, there's one week when it's
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 21: always with wind till seventy below.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: All out, my goodness, it's just oh.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: Why, It's like it's like fifty degrees was considered.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: That's the way it is here.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 20: Yeah, that's why this cl cold snap here has just
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 20: been like, oh my god, those gardens.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 21: Are freezing and right, I just pull all my stuff
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 21: over underneath so it could put blankets over face.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: Oh sure, sure, I save all my plates. Sure, it's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: just terrible.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: No, like they can now I'm about to go back there.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Oh right, it's horrible. You just CA's you can't have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: to put on all these layers just to go outside.
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  Speaker 6: I can't imagine.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: It's like in the why do you have to write
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: clothes anymore?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: So it's like you're they were talking about the shorts
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: and stuff.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: We just we go out and we were its rights,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: loom out doors what it is here usually?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 8: So it's really terrible.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: My my uh wife, dad say, uh staff member that
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: you still lived the last year. Oh.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: She told her that you know, they have mose automatic.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: Her remote starts where you can you don't have to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: go out.
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  Speaker 8: I can do it, you know, ahead of time.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: But she also worked in a in a school, I guess,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: and they would have only their warning, so.
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  Speaker 2: You can't let the kids go outside.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the Chicago to Chicago.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chicago's horrible. It's horrible cause it's wind. It's yeah,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: the wind children is terrible. Yeah, and it's all this
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: snow because of the lake there right, its right off right.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: So it's my first winter that I lived there. I
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: lived about three blocks off the right where the curve
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: where the lake is by Michigan Avenue and I got.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 21: Up one morning and I was heading down the street
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 21: and I couldn't make it to Michigan Avenue.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: I was I was, actually I was more slender than
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Picked up off the sidewalk and rolling onto the hood
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: of a passing car.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: And at one point I remember grabbing.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 21: Hold of a lights post and being lifted up and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 21: I'm like, this can't be happening, and I when I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 21: So I went back and I cut over a couple
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 21: of blocks to where it was not straight direct to
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 21: the lake and went up and at that point they
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 21: had ropes strung across the street so you could pull
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 21: yourself across the street.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Icicles were falling off of the Seers building and killing people.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm like, what am I done? Why
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: am I here?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: Im like the closest thing I they was dressed in.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: It was terrible.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: It's just awful. And they actually where My husband and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: I came out of your own business. We were here
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: ten minutes and said that's it, we're moving here.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: I had a call back in Chicago for the Shakespeare
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: the tours and uh, but people were so nice.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: They are it's very it's very Chicago. It's cool. Discussing
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: it's humans and bugs.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, you put Chicago and Honolulu.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: You have the perfect It's sad enough. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: Oh no, Chicago's great, great city. It was a wonderful city.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 20: So it's architecturally, the food possibilities are great diversities.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Right, it's wonderful.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: But the weather is just kills.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what I'm gonna have to go
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: to like good Will or something and buy some long clothes.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: I don't have a cold I have nothing that's appropriate.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: All my shoes are open.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: Told.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Even having cold shoes, I'm like, what am I gonna do?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: I need to pretend it's winter so I have boots
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: I don't have any of that stuff that you watch
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: the Chicago flight let out the best dressed people in
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: the world, shake come out with the boots and the colors,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: so styling. You tell Chicago flight from year?
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  Speaker 4: Are you okay? With the sun in your eyes? It's
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: kind of there's no there's no nothing, there's no blackout.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Curt Oh, yeah, that's his, that's his.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: Well, it feels like I'm on side.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: It's kind of amazing on car.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: Hold on, put this back.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: Are we ready to go?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: We are alright? Then away we go just a moment.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: This is the beginning of dis number three and number one.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 20: At the deposition of Thomas all T House on December
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 20: thirteenth of the year twenty thirteen.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: We are on the record one twenty one p one. Okay,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: mister Alpess, did you ever see men in black?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 23: Yes?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: I am okay, so I know that you uh.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: If I look at page nineteen of exhibit one, there's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: uh like. If you look at the third one down,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: agents are robot like without expression, and the next one
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: agents don't do, not show emotion, and two more down
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: agents are trademarked by the suits that they wear.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Those are elements that appear in I A lots of movies. Correct,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: Which one was that?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: Again?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at at a number of them on on
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: page nineteen.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Specifically, the robot like with agents are robot like without expression,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: They do not show emotion. They are trademarked by the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: suits that they wear, and they wear special ear pieces
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: to communicate and keep connected to central These are all
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: elements in your film.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: Correct. That seems to be correct?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: And those are elements that have appeared in films both
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: before and after you wrote your screen like correct.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: I do not know if I can agree with that.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: I think that the agents robot like in my piece
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: back in ninety three, concept of the agents robot like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: and addressed and outfitted as they were that compilation was
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: I believed very unique because when the Matrix films came out,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: I can see that the response to the agents and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: the iconic images of that then prompted UH were drawn
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: from the Matrix experience in films. So I would say
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: that the agents as robot like without expression, with the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: accouterments that went with them in the way I presented them,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: became basically an icon in the industry.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 9: That's okay.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: You keep referring to the train station in what regards
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: as an important similarity between.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: The two works. Alright, I say it's one of the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: one of the similarities. Yes, okay.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Is there a reason why it's not in your complaint?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: I would have to ask my attorney that it should
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: be there. I would imagine, oh.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: Here it is, I'm sorry I missed it. Apologize you expect.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: To do some day.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: It's a lot of pages.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: Can you go to page twenty nine. Yes, and at
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: the bottom.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: It says.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Wagner, re engineered to look like Christ is battling with
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: the actual Christ from the Final battles.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: I okay.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 8: And then in.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: The Matrix, Neo's code is rewritten making him look like Smith.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: That's he is battling Smith in the final battle.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: So the similarity here is you have a character battling
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: something who looks like who's been re engineered to look
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: like them.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: I would say the similarity against that you have a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: unique ending, completely unique for its time, where you have
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: the protagonist and basically a protagonist and an antagonist or
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: such along that line that are for all intents and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: purposes identical, and they are facing all a unique image
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: that was impacting.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: Now you've talked about the little girl pointing yes, yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: The character of Christ does not appear in the Matrix movies.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: The character of Christ is represented through Uh Neo apparently
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: in the Matrix film as they have images of a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: cross on his chest, he has its palms out when
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: he's in the fight, UH face down and he's pleading.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: He has it where he's sacrificed and is generally accepted
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: that that is the Christ like qualities of Christian symmetry
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: or symbols being inserted into the film. So I would
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: say the Christ elements are inserted in the matrix.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, But Jim is not the Christ element.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 8: In your story?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: Is he?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: In mine, Jim is witnessing the battle between the Christs,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: are the Christ and the false Christ. It's looks looks
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: like Christ.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: And the little girl in the matrix is not appointing
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: at Christ or at Neo for that matter.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: Correct, the little.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: Girl is pointing at the Sun in the matrix at
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: the end, It's one of their final final moments. In mine,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: the little girl is pointing to the Christ or on
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: the above the hill up above, and when the world
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: is renewed. In both cases, so from my story, you
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: have the little girl pointing to the Sun of Christ
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: or the renewed earth and pointing to the source of
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: what UH says tridishly in their script he a little
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: girl with a renewed earth pointing to the sun for
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: the final ending. The images are compelling.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: And are you aware of any other works, Uh, in
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: which children and the sun become the elements of the
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: symbol or renewal.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: I'm not aware of any works where the earth is renewed,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: and a little girl is renewed along with the earth
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: and comes up in hugs uh an individual and then
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: points to the sun after the Earth's been renewed. I
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: don't I don't know about all before or after.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: Of the.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: Can you look at page thirty two, absolutely, and you
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: see the f.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: First full paragraph says Monique, I don't know hybrids.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: Its lat Yes, that's correct.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: And Jim's wife are the three main women in Jim's life?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: And then on in the other call of Trinity three
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: is the main woman in Neo's life in the movies, Yes,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: I see that.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're it's your contention that because Trinity's name
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: is evidence that the female character.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: In the matrix is derived from your.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: Script, I would say it's an element in the entry there,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: but that it it can be contended that there may
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: be Yes, there may be a connection between three women.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: And if we notice how the brothers or if they're
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: typical siblings, have worked with this piece and certain certain
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: names and played with names and numbers and interviews claim
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: to have done that, then it would make sense that
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: Trinity would be another one of their name games or
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: or plays so I would say it's a great possibility
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: that Monique Loret and Jim in my scream to three people,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: is then cleverly, if you will, or whatever they wanna
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: call it, turned into Trinity.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Isn't it eqully possible that Trinity as part of the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: religious allegory in the Matrix?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: I think it's possible if both elements apply, and they
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: felt very satisfied with that.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: From where do you get the information that, uh, Thomas A.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Anderson and the Matrix stories attended Central West High School?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: He attends time? Let me check the what documentary referring?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fine. Go to exhibit three, which is your
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: m heet information packet.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: I'm on the page I believed, okay.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: And do you see where it says profile fact shoot
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: at the top.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 9: Do you see that? I do see that?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Okay? And did you put this together this page?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: No, it was done for me, okay, but mister Leveenthal,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: it was probably mister Lelenthal or back on my wife. Okay.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: So do you know where the information that's that the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: Matrix protagonist Thomas A.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: Anderson of attended Central West High School came from?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: It's in your film The Brothers inserted it.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, do you know where it's in the.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: Interrogation scene which the picture shows.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: They're okay, but you didn't attend Central West High School, right.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: We could wrestle with it. But Central West High School,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: Central Bucks West High School. They compilation with my name
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 6: Thomas A. With also my dad's name, John A. With
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: alls an allusion to my birthday with alto Capital City, Washington.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 8: See.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: I don't think there's much wiggle room.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Partner the death position. Sure, I can't remember.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: Where do a lot of people.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: Where the bong?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: You?
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: Before?
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: We going?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Uh to?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: Who was Exhibit three sent?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: What is exhibit three?
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: Exhibit three is the media information packet.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: I'm not clear who this was sent to.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: I don't know, Okay, do you know who?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Who's do you know? Was it sent to anyone?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 6: It looks like it's really well done, so I would
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: imagine that it was sent I'm sorry, that's I don't
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: know how to answer that question, okay.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 17: Uh?
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: And who would have been the person sending this information out?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: I would believe it would be the author, mkay.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: And that's mister Leventhough Yes, okay. And do you know
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: whether mister Leventhall received any responses from any media contacts.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: I couldn't speak for him or not.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: Okay, did you.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: Ever see any responses from any media contacts after this?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: Did exhibits for any of the media information tact was distributed.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 11: When water Mothers in the newspaper TVZ, you know, I
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 11: believe it was a March when water Bure's paper TMZ
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 11: broke the story, there was.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: Instant responses apparently worldwide. And then when TMZ, one of
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: brother's paper again if you will, did a subsequent release
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: in July, I believe it was it furthered the attention
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: to this story, which quite interesting. But I received calls
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: immediately from a Sophia Stewart's group, which basically was a
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: number of messages before I got home from work.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: And when you say Sophia Stewart's group, who contacted.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: You different parties of her d U are affiliated with
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: her and whatever she's about?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: Did you s return any of those calls?
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: I basically couldn't avoid them, so I did feel to
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: call with her with Missus Stewart.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: I did.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 16: And when was this.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: The night that you're s that Warner Brothers released the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 6: story or that went and out? It was that night
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: that my phone was babarded.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, And when you say the night that Warner Brothers
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: released the story, is this, it's EMC it's flooded.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: If you go to.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: If you open up exhibit three again, when you go
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: to probably the sixth page, h.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: Why maybe one? Yeah, you're the right thing. Oh you're
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: probably just done too prot Oh sorry, right there? Yeah, okay, okay.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: So when you're talking about the Warner Brothers releasing the story,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: is the story reflected on the sixth page of the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: did it three?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: What you were referring to?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: I believe this is the July version. I believe Warner
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: Brothers in TMZ wrote the story in March.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: There was another one, Do you know why do you
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: keep afraid to Warner Brothers and TMS?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: Well, the reason I refer to water MOS and TMZ
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: is I'm informed that if you contact DMZ you get
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: basically a message that well when the Water Brothers, assuming
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: that you guys are like, and that that TMZ's words
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: are Warner Brothers words owned by Warner Brothers. When another one,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: I'm told.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: And by whom are you?
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: Twelve?
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: I believe it was mister Levenhal who contacted uh TMZ
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: and W and W received that message or heard that message,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: and we tried to comply with TMZ and respond to them,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: but we never returned. We never got any calls from them,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: and they didn't seem interested in speaking to us, although
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: they put down where their calls were not returned, m
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: our phone records could show that we did.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, so you spoke to Missus Stewart in July or
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: earlier in a or see it.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: Would be whenever this story or right when the story
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: was released, they'd be writing that time. Because I had
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: no idea there was a story. And I returned home
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: from the Grandma lad after working in the program. I
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: returned home at night and there was all these messages,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: and there were messages about contact her or trying to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: reach you and this kind of stuff, and and and
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: she didn't speak to me. She said, she basically said
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: that it sound like I've no attachment to this. But
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: she said that you are now a celebrity worldwide.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 9: She said that.
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  Speaker 6: fathom what she's talking about, cause it didn't seem connected.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't seem sensible to me. It just sounded like
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  Speaker 6: almost rambling. But it it was definitely geared towards enlisting
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  Speaker 7: I believe that.
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  Speaker 5: She was.
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  Speaker 6: She was trying to convey that she was very ex
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 4: And what did anything would you say to it?
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  Speaker 6: Uh? I told her, I believe that I felt bad
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  Speaker 6: for her if she had suffered any loss or if
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  Speaker 6: she believes her story had been taken.
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  Speaker 9: I told her that.
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  Speaker 6: We had listed about the second and third. She didn't
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  Speaker 6: have any contention with that. She did want to line
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  Speaker 6: up interviews. She seemed very eager.
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  Speaker 4: And UH.
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  Speaker 6: Had her associates piping in at the same time. I
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  Speaker 6: thought it was a conference caller what but when she
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  Speaker 5: Is that him?
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  Speaker 9: Basically wanted to you know, on her to talk to me.
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  Speaker 4: And what happened? How did you end that talk?
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  Speaker 6: I believe I agreed that I would do when I could,
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  Speaker 6: that I was resolved to go forward, that I had
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  Speaker 6: not known about the article until that day, that I
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  Speaker 6: really wanted just to get my work risk that it
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  Speaker 6: was just mine, that the message I originally intended them
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  Speaker 6: could come forward. Thinks of that nature.
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  Speaker 3: No, when you say you want your work real established,
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  Speaker 3: is yours? You submitted your script to Warner Brothers.
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  Speaker 4: For the purpose of making Themortals move?
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  Speaker 8: Correct?
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  Speaker 6: Are I understand the questions? Would you say that's the
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  Speaker 6: only element?
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  Speaker 5: Are?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just asking when you submitted to your script to
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Warner Brothers, the idea was they would make a.
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  Speaker 8: Movie of the Emortals.
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  Speaker 6: Correct from what I was told by and give the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: instructions to do. My understanding was they would they I
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  Speaker 6: was being told.
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  Speaker 4: They were gonna make it okay, and that's what you wanted.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't. You didn't put the script in with the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: purpose of working with.
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  Speaker 8: Child with the script work.
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  Speaker 6: Instam If they take your script and agree to make
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 6: it and contract with you. Once the contract is made,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 6: you as the writer cannot always dictate exactly which way it's.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: Gone to go.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: A writer's work is not gonna be even though it's
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 6: being paid and given the late the credit for being
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 6: the writer. It is basically you're giving freedom to work
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: within the bounds of your script and just to create
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: as a creative team. The best story that that the
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: studio's team would.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: Be product.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But it was not your intention to enter in some
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: sort of collaboration to make someone to make a movie
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: that that do you strite that well, they may have
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: made changes to your scripting or to get the movie
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: they The idea was to make the adorance correct.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 6: The idea my understanding of the time was from what
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: I learned from screenwriting classes, was the idea was to
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 6: get your introductory piece in. You pour your heart and
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: soul into it. If it gets taken in the fact
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: that you have been submitted and received and told that
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: your film's gonna be made means that others will be
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: interested in your other work. So that was my door opener.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: They call it the business from understand.
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  Speaker 5: You can correct me if if you're.
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  Speaker 6: Wrong, But it was my door opener piece. And so
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: what you're expecting out of that is to simply get
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 6: credit for your work. You don't expect to have say
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: on all aspects of that. You know it's gonna be
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: transformed in the process. But you've got your piece in.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: You're getting credit for your work, which means the doors
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: opened as a term applies to other work that you
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: can produce. You are now becoming accepted into the industry.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: That's all I can expect as a grad student of
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 6: the time coming out of grad school was to open
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: the door.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: Have you written a screen place?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: Since screen Warning, I've written story treatments. I've written a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: number of them that I'm sitting on that I'm very
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: very pleased with. Should my door opener finally come to
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: some result, I am waiting to submit them. And my
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: hope in the past was a smith and the Warner Brothers.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: Have you made any efforts to to submit the screenplays
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: to anyone other than more Brothers.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure the period or what the question entails.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: Well, it's sort of a grad question. I agree that
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: are have you uh?
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: Have you made any efforts to submit any of the
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: work you have any of this the work you have done.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: S subsequent to the immortals to any studio other than
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: Murder Wrots.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: You're talking to the film scripts. Sure, yes, I've submitted
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: work that was for as I said, scripted material, scripted
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: work for the production such as the one that got
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 6: the awards in Waynesburg. I have made scripts and programs
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: in the theater that have toured, have been accepted, and
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: there's a number of those. I have the current production
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: that's now slighted to be performed and co produced by
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: the Orchaligator.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Currently.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: I just finished uh uh, which is no like it's
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: being published a children's book that's current right now. So
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: there there's a lot that's going on even currently that
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 6: I am propounding, if you will, So it might take
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 6: a while, but anyway, but.
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  Speaker 3: With respect to the film whom for s, With respect
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: to you, screenplays were story treatments.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: Intended to lead to the production or have you made any.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: Efforts to submit anything to any studio other than or brothers?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: This was my.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: Doing orpiece as we will, This was what I poured
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: everything into. It was exhausting. I poured my feelings, my emotions,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: my life, my situa, what happened to the end of
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: the piece.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 9: And I did h for that.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: I wrote story treatments and story treatments.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: But I did not.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: Pour everything into a full screenplay, except that I did
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: work with Greg who we brought up on developing screenplays together,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 6: and those materials, you know, we we did come up
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: some great ideas and did try to create those.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: So but I never I never.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: Submitted afterwards any full screen guys, And.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: Did you s submit any treatments to any studio subsequent to.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 6: I don't believe I submitted any treatments afterwards either.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: And have you had any meetings with studio execultis?
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 12: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Subsequently?
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, I didn't pursue.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: Any alright, is it bit nine.
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  Speaker 6: The best of my knowledge of sor.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you too?
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  Speaker 6: It appears to be copies of a blog that were
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: they're removed a while ago when I'm mistaken, and uh,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: the blog was titled the Truth behind the Main Trix.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: I believe that's correct, okay.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: And did you write this blog?
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 6: Actually, I'd help from my wife Becca to get this together.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: What do you mean why I helped to get this.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 9: Not savvy on.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: How to do programs and appear in work, so she's
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: the one that compiles things and edits it and crafts it.
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  Speaker 6: So I would have to give her credit for getting
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: this up. I did not. I didn't really do it
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: on my own, okay.
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  Speaker 4: But did you do the words? Did you create the words?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: I really I created words and that I believe she
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  Speaker 6: edited what was there?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? And why did you decide to do this.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: Blog after we discovered We thought it would be something
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  Speaker 6: where we can get armored out. I believe it is
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: let people know what the message was, what the truth is,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: what the story is, so for that would be.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 8: The reason for the blog.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: Uh. And when did you take it down?
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: It was after Arttorney and instructured.
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  Speaker 9: Us to take it down.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: If you go to the third page of the exhibit
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  Speaker 4: eight nomordy uh, and it's marked at the bottom of
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  Speaker 4: four three two four.
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  Speaker 8: Do you see that?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 9: I see that?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: Okay now, And about a third of the way down
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: the top it said from the top that says the.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: Wachowski brothers were unable to create a successful film that
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: showed some potential and producer Joel Silver's point of.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: View, so they were handed the money. Do you see that?
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: Where did you get that information?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: That sounds like it's uh opinion or supposition of drawing
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: from the materials we had read?
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: Do you know what materials those were?
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 6: I believe it could possibly be the Warner brothers on
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 6: the website. I know that there was a a very
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: orb been a blog, but it was a complete description
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: of what in transpired in my opinion, between which I'll
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: set brothers and Joel Silver that created a rift that
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: Joel Silver had to deal with when they're initial filders,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: they're uh audition.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Piece as it was referred to, and the audition piece
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  Speaker 4: is bound.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that's Correctice, And this is all the information
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: that you obtained from some other source.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: You don't have any personal knowledge.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: Of any of this, not personal knowledge of It's now.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: If you go to the next page to page four, three,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: two five yes, and the n next to the last
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: paragraph that starts. So many theories yes, okay, so many
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: theories surround the blurring by the brothers of the messages
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: or written originally written in the piece. The brothers clearly
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: did not understand themselves the messages in the script, so
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: why would they explain it?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: As on their posts they say they leave it up
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: to audience to determine what it meant. Did you see that?
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: Why do you see that?
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: I believe what that means is the brothers had explained
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 6: something about It was on their interview that they said
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: they did not wanted to interviews or or something about
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: talk about their work, which I found very interesting from
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: a writer's standpoint, and anyone would wanna talk about their
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: work on the meanings of it. It also means that,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: given the fact that it has been determined to be
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: one of the most confusing films, that they did not
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: understand where they were going with it. In context to
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: my screenplay, which was tight and had a story that
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: resolved itself. Clearly, UH followed format that had effect throughout
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: and had a tide UH cohesive store pure line. The
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 6: brothers do not have a cohesive thru through line that's
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 6: been established throughout the industry. Basically, with many, many, many
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 6: statements about that lebeated to that there's no satisfying ending,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 6: that it doesn't connect, that it's confusing, about the architect
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 6: in the oracle, that these things don't add up. So
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: the brothers clearly did not understand themselves the messages in script.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: And when you say it has been determined to be
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: one of the most confusing films ever, or words to
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: that effect, what are you referring to the third or.
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  Speaker 6: Word sorry, Oh my gosh, it's okay, I just stepped honestly,
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  Speaker 6: is it okay?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: Is something about that?
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: Could you please repreat the question?
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  Speaker 9: I'm sorry?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: Account like okay?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: When you say it has been determined one of the
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: most confusing films ever, or words to that effect, what
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: are you referring to the third but I mean the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: third part of the third installment in the film?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: Correct?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 9: Okay?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: I believe that would be correct. The second and third
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: I think said because they they sat on the side
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 6: that it was voted one of the most confusing, one
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: of the top eight or something affusing films of all time.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: I believe it's at the working and that they cite
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  Speaker 6: specifically that the architect in the oracles were like can
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  Speaker 6: check to the conversation at the end made no sense
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 6: at all and left the audience completely on the side
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 6: of the side basically, and that would I believe in
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: the third part of the matrix a trilogy as I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: you've heard.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: Can you go to the page marked page.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 8: Four three two llion dividing from there?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, and.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: Uh this begins speaking about uh Sophia Stewart's script crap.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: I'd have to know, cap, go ahead, take a minute.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: And what what section I'm specifically are you referring to it?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: I'll go right to it.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: Uh, well, just go ahead and actually go ahead and
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: read this page. Just take him in. Okay, Yeah, just
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: take a minute and read the page. I've got a
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: bunch of questions for a while.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 24: And when you when you're ready.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: To just left me, I won't. I apologize that that
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: The prads are very clear it's taking me all.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: Along or no worries. Take your time.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 8: Hm, Okay, I've heard that.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, So the first part of uh, the blog entry that's.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: On page four three two nine, UH begins to discuss
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: the case of Sophia's do it correct y, Yes, it
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: appears to Okay, and then you s there right under
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: the language that says here's my take and understanding. Uh,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: it says apparently it was a false report. And that
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: probably refers to the fact that there were reports on
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: the web that she had won her case.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: Right. One else that stands among all others that some
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 6: article article how was co seen because she wanted to
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 6: be a Sounders Okay?
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: And then uh, you say this this site referring to Snopes,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: I assume show she did not win her case. I
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: have also heard from an inside source that yes, Warner
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: Brothers closely followed a script, but obviously not hers.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, the who was that inside source?
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: There was a.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 6: A lady who I have done improp work with, and
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 6: her boyfriend, if you will, was still working with Warren Brothers,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 6: and he did some asking around. I don't want to
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 6: jeopardize this man's future. So but the inside word, if
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 6: you will, was brought back to me that it was
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 6: common knowledge that a script was used, apart from the
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 6: one that was shot on location.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 9: That is common knowledge.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 8: Well, Warren Brothers, kay, and this.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 6: This person, I'll have to look up her name a him.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: But she it'll be easy cause she was in my
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 6: improperup okay? And why is his name her? No, the
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 6: per the the boyfriend, I'll I had to ask her.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 6: She's the one that contacted him.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: That you don't know who? When was the last time
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: you spoke to this person?
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: I don't recall?
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: And did this person who was in your young Proub
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: group was that in Hawaii?
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 6: Was Hawaii?
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: That you never recall her?
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 9: No, right now?
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 4: You look at the bottom of page four three two nine.
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  Speaker 5: S watch.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 6: Point of.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: Was used, that was heavily consulted during the filming, and
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: that it was not the matrix.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: I believed the employees that had witnessed the script being
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: consulted heaned forward at that time because someone was finally claiming.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 4: About do you see that m okay who came forward?
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 6: I believe this is a conject uh drawn from Sophia
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 6: Stewart's uh cyber information, so.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: Information you obtained from Sophia's hue Whre's website.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 6: Uh not certain, I'm I mean it could be.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but you're not aware of who any
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: specific employees were that witnessed.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: A script other than the script from the matrix being consulted.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: You don't hear her word who.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 8: Those people are?
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 6: No, I just said to her that there was no
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 6: disloyandaments of Sadden type security. Anything happened.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: And how do you know there were no disclosure agreements
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: of type security?
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 5: Hm?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 6: Well, it's on the web that have we read it
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 6: that there was? You know, even the it says that
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 6: your aid list actors uh in interviews are saying that
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 6: they had never or basically never seen a situation where
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 6: the security was that tight that they used I guess
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: uh false names even for the project, and that they
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 6: weren't even allowed to actually comment or even quote about
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 6: the script during production. That was the first time basically
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 6: did they ever seen that situation where they were not
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 6: even allowed to be attribute opinion.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: And that's all based on things you've read on the web.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: You mean that's e or interviews you've read on the web.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 6: You don't have any I think it's interviews you can
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 6: actually see, And.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: You don't have any personal knowledge of what the you.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 6: Know, how disclosure arrangements were or No, I don't know
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 6: what those personal arrangements were.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 24: Okay, I'm sure I asked you this already, but.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: Uh, I have you spoken to Nadia Satinos? Nadias Satina
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: said to you fouled your lawsuits?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 6: M No, I don't.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: Have you attempted to speak to miss Satina?
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 6: I believe we looked up a number and tried to
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 6: reach her, but we were not successful in reaching her
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 6: through that number.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 24: Okay, what is the shadow Conspiracy?
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 6: There was a film that was done at CBO University.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 9: Was what it was called at the.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 6: Time, was a student film?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: What was your connection?
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken, it was unentitled bomb art director.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 25: Okay, let's uh go off for a minute in all
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 25: those things. Okay, I probably just have a few minutes left.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: I need to grab something out of my offense.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 9: Just answer my.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: Question, thank you.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: That's one.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: Let's stretch our legs top. How long you're gonna be
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: then it just a couple of minutes.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: Uh probably oh to go grab something, yeah, just.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 6: To okay, I'll just stay right here, Tim get up.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: Hih they feel free to move around a little bit.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: Uh huh. Yes, and you always get you the two
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: you you always get raised.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 5: Right well? Uh oh oh, I haven't.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 8: Oh talking all out to night.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 9: Eight.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: So did you notice the packet from there was then
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: the envelope has I take a fast letter? I mean
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: that's inside the notary with a stamp.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 6: Oh is that in the packet?
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 6: I didn't see that in the packet. Well there's a stamp. Yeah,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 6: so you want to correct, So yes, let's make a correction.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: So let's just say this was what you you appears
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: to be, what it is, what you said, what you
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: sealed up right, it looks like it, Okay, And then
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. You see here's where I happened to be
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: the result of the pages were messed up with this
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: newsper But anyway, that's very is this. But then on
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: the other side of it is the beginning the first
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: missing page, and that flows right to the.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 6: Page, and then we need to make the correction.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 8: Is that Okay, he.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 6: Does have the notorous statements stamped.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 9: Okay, that's good incision.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: So then my thinking is this is what this is
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: what what's his name refers to and his June letter, BOYD,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: refers to that he's sending an extended story treatment.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 6: No, well, I mean storytein was complete, I'm sure by them.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you did more work on it after May
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: nineteen and s sent a new version and then he
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: says Acts one and two m partial script that acts
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: one and two.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 6: That's not a partial script of act one in two,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 6: that's just notes.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: You're saying there are only two acts. So this doesn't
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: make since you gotta explain this cause otherwise this is
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: not just knows these are scenes.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 6: This is as as uh.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: This is what oh take a ball refers to as
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: the op all opening scenes up to Bearinger at Jim's
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: house in script form. That's what she's referring to. And
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: then you close it up.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 5: That's not very sure.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I see your's very Yes, it is that right, yeah,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Jim's House night bearings.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 9: May I come in?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 26: H yes.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: So this is what ptak a witness that you'd created
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: as of May nineteenth, and this is what you mailed
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: yourself to show.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 9: That you'd created this.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 6: Well, let me do the best that I can in
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 6: long before them. I'll just do it the best I can.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: Alright, I mean you should correct the record that you
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: know you never know the same page and therefore you
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: believe this was the same thing that was that was unopened, uh,
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: that you sent to yourself in May nineteen ninety three.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: In terms of what Boid sent, I mean, that's different.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: That was a couple of weeks later. Are you saying
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: you did a lot of work kind of after between
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: May nineteen and June whenever? Uh, June twenty, I'm sorry,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: it was a month five weeks later.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 6: So I believe I had a script that sent too.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 6: There was registration whatever department we talked about, and uh
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 6: SD you just score.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: There's and not a problem a registration department.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 6: So there's on's to any sense of confidence, that's for sure.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: Well I'm trying.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 6: No, I'm not trying.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: I'm trying right now. There hats to the south because
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: nobody wanna make it. I'm trying to get through this
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: deposition and not have to make directions after the FATTI.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 8: So they're with me.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: Now, where's the thing that copyright off? Is it in
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: your thing to the writer's skilled or is it in here?
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 7: Do you remember?
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: Where would you do with the writer's skill things?
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 6: Playhead of city?
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Linda, he's got a correction to make. We
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: went over this more carefully.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 5: I huh.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: He located the the stamp, the the the notary stamp
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: on the back of the first page of the Oh. Okay,
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: so he's gonna he.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: Let me and let me go copy that cause I
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: didn't copy it two sided cause I wasn't. So let's
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: do so the record's clearing, we'll fix up.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 6: Okay, I wanna find that.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 7: Uh is that really your We gave them.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: These have a three, which is cop You have pretty
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: much the same as story two?
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 9: You think? Uh five?
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 27: Did you say class things tusial? Yeah, that's a cop
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 27: that's a supposedly stuff.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 28: July second, right after you did the submission through boys,
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 28: you wrote to the writers killed say I right.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 4: Have okay, what's pore careful?
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 6: Did you kid?
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 4: There's the original and we'll add this I think to exhibit.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 5: Work.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: Do that on that he ain't see did it five?
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 5: Five?
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 4: You're correct, You're correct.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: Let's he did it five?
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 9: The original?
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 6: All sat the.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 4: Kill you bet? Okay, it's a lot work things.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 20: We are back on the record at four twenty ninety,
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 20: uh party four twenty four?
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well we were off the record.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 4: Correct if I'm wrong?
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: You in looking at the original documents that the marked
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: copies of which we marked as exhibit five.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 4: Uh you noticed that there was, in fact the signature
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 4: of a stamp.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 6: From the numbers Marty group.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 4: Uh, and the stands I've made copies of that of
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: the the acknowledgement from the notary right was impressed.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 3: To right, and and the original does have a uh
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: embossed stamp as opposed to a.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 4: You know, like a Rechmand College stamp, you know, with
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 4: a rubber like a rubber stamp. So we are going
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: to add this notary acknowledgement to Exhibit five. Correct, Yes, okay,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 4: Just so we're all on the same time.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 5: SI.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 4: Now, I think you testified that the comparison.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: Between your work and the second two matrix stones that
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: appears in the com plank that's marked as Exhibit one
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: was compiled by uh, your wife and mister Leventhal.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 4: Is that correct?
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 9: With my health? Yeah?
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 4: Okay? Have you done any other and then that strict that?
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 3: And then in Exhibit three the press information, there is
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: another comparison.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 6: I would have to look, I believe for this.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, and uh, other than these two comparisons, have you
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: done any other analysis between the.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 6: Two works.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 3: Or define analysis any were any comparisons between the two works?
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: Your work and the Matrix works.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 9: I don't know if that is the.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 6: One hundred and sixteen sixteen entry that I'm being told
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 6: exists now or if it has yet to.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 9: Be given over.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 6: But I know that there is a compelling uh comparison
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 6: that's been done by uh, mister Levemanthal.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, but you personally have not done any other comparisons.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 6: Correct, I myself have not worked on additional comparisons. I
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 6: think he has.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 4: And do you know is mister Labanthal comparing your script
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 4: to the scripts for the second two Matrix films or
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 4: your script to the films themselves?
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 6: I believe he was comparing the scripts, and I believe
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 6: in this comparing the films.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 9: To the film.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: And are you aware of any similarities between your work
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: and the second two Matux films that are not listed
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: either in the complaint when we're in the comparison Exhibit.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 6: Three, uh from others in there are some additional ones
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 6: that have been.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 4: Discovered, Okay, and and but do you know.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 6: What those are? You have to and I'll certainly give
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 6: you the document when I had to make available.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 4: To you, what would you describe as the.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: Most significant similarity between your work and the second two weeks.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: I object to that, uh, the GRODSI COLUSI, the world
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: crowds objected that I go a cause for uh turning
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: client privileged communications and work product, and that uh, my
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: client's being asked for an opinion which is not a
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: profrid subject for his testimony.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 14: Well, okay, I'm not asking for anything you just I'm
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 14: not asking for anything you learned from your lawyer.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 4: But you're the author of the immortals, correct, not any
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: the author of the immortals.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: And you are claiming that the immortals, uh, that your
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: rights and newmortals who are fringe by the second two.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: Matrix mortals correct, I am claiming, okay. And what I'm
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: asking you is that two in your momd.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: What is the key significant ens or the key similarity
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 3: between the two fields?
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: I make the same protection.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 23: And I didn't start my plan not to answer because
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 23: this is too tied up with the work he's been
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 23: doing with his attorney. And I think the only purpose
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 23: of this question is to gain a preview of our
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 23: approach to the case at trial, and it's not a
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 23: relevant uh question or likely to leave the discovery of
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 23: any relevant evidence.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 3: When was the last time you made an effort to
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: contact anyone that worners you personally recently.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 6: When was recently, I'm not sure the exact day.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 6: A call I placed.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 9: And to to them.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 6: Did you see I was going to talk to I
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 6: think it was on somebody in your PR department?
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 4: And for what purpose did you play that co.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: I felt that.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 6: If I spoke to someone there as a person, I
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 6: thought I could see if there was something that could
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 6: be done off the record. Since I always had maintained
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 6: respect for Warner.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 5: Brothers, that.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 6: In the light of recent distancing between Jail Silver and
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 6: Warner Brothers due to the obvious publicized let go or
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 6: whatever you phrase it, buyer Emale j'all silver and recorded
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 6: distancing between Warner Brothers and Wachowski's siblings.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 8: I guess you say.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 7: I thought.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 6: I could at least dialogue if they wanted to off
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 6: the record on.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 7: Uh were they.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 6: If they wanted to be something we could come to
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 6: agree maland or something. I just thought I would think
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 6: was a lot of time and trouble and thought as
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 6: a human being that maybe I could at least dialogue
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 6: and uh offer something. I always try to find some
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 6: kind of solution apart from the grilling processes and what
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 6: he was through.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 5: And it.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 4: Is it your belief that whatever occurred between mister Silver
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 4: and Morner brothers.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: Had something to do with your fame objection, It calls
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: for a speculation as belief is not relivant.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 9: You can answer if you can.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: I order my attorney n he didn't instruct you.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 6: Well, uh, I'll instruct.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 23: You to answer to the extent that it doesn't call
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 23: for a rank speculation, which I don't think it's the
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 23: proper subject of testimony.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, you have a couple of.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: Times raised the fact that, uh, mister, you've raised the
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 3: quote separation between Jewel Silver and Warner. There's on a
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: few occasions in this deposition.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 6: It's pretty glaring and striking.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 25: In the media right now or it was, okay, and
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 25: my question is, what, if anything, does that have to
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 25: do with this case.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 8: Same objection.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 6: You can answer if you can, It would be my opinion.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, why did you do you raise you've it? Because
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 4: you've raised this issue a couple several times in this deposition.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 4: Why did you do that?
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 6: Why ever raise the issue correct when it's removed?
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 4: Well, why, yes, I would.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 6: Say that because of the timeline events as if the
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 6: rest of this case, the.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 4: Timeline and what do you mean by the timeline of
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 4: the those.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 6: That as you are showing you have materials that are
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 6: whatever's released or put on the web or anything regardings me,
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 6: you have it, so you would go to follow with that, Uh.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 6: The information regarding the stat sheet in the uh, the
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 6: matrix itself where the siblings put in what is obviously
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 6: my personal status would have been something I believe that
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 6: would have been snuff by if you will, uh Jil
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 6: Selverer's attention. Possibly then I believe that he would be
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 6: held responsible or accountable for such blatant information personal information
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 6: about myself being inserted in the film itself. Perhaps the
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 6: siblings didn't think that it would become to light, but
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 6: since it did, I believe someone has to take a fall.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 6: I believe Jil Silver took to fall, in my opinion,
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 6: or when the siblings put in the film and the
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 6: timeline would go to fall that when we went to
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 6: file suit Jill Silver after twenty five years or so
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 6: in the business association with Warner Brothers, there was even
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 6: writing by her checks off your own account is suddenly removed.
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  Speaker 6: That's a very major move and it winds up on
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 6: our timeline very nicely.
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  Speaker 9: And striking.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, Did you get a response from your
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 4: call or a brother PR person when from the leader?
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  Speaker 9: People know that.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 6: I did speak to that was put through to someone there,
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  Speaker 6: and I believe it may have been actually the party.
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  Speaker 6: They said it was their desk if I read all correctly,
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 6: and it was a brief brief UH offer discuption to
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  Speaker 6: talk author record. And next thing I knew is she
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  Speaker 6: very terse voice and gentlemen who informed her south that
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  Speaker 6: he was Paul uh, somebody I could think with a
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  Speaker 6: firm and said that the other only only attorneys would
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 6: be talking or somebody go on that line.
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  Speaker 9: I thangged him as.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 6: I recall him in the conversation. And when was this again,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure the exact day. I really wasn't that
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  Speaker 6: long ago.
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  Speaker 4: It was yesterday, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't recall the exact day I do. I'm not
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 6: trying to inving the question.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just saying that.
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  Speaker 6: It's been a long day and I I to the
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  Speaker 6: best of my knowledge, I would say probably yesterday. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know.
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  Speaker 29: At this point, I'll tired.
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  Speaker 26: Okay, I think I'm done.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go off the record and where can go and
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  Speaker 3: you can close out the video record?
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, just a little places is the.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 6: Oh excuse me?
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 23: Nope, not yet because uh you did include something Exhibit five.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 28: But when we were off the record during the break,
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 28: I informed you that as a result of that, couldn't
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 28: we discuss the ead?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let's just go up and you guys can
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  Speaker 4: have a little it's.
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  Speaker 6: Gonna happens on video.
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  Speaker 9: Give it the jack.
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 6: I would like to know what you're talking about.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, just about please, we are off the record at
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 3: four thirty or forty pm.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, when you.
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  Speaker 6: Guys go out and chat, it's just right top of
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  Speaker 6: the I would rather, I'd rather get right.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 17: I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe you made any corrections or did did
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• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: which topics? There's the problem that RESU we weren't around,
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  Speaker 2: so then it writes about it's just that he testified.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: I think before he said when he opened that packet
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  Speaker 2: and started looking at it, that had been opened before,
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: and now his since he and that was mostly based
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 2: on the notarized page wasn't there and he couldn't find
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: the first page, you know, right, So now that that's
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: found that he reviewed it again, I think his testimony
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  Speaker 2: would be that he uh and I could see not
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 2: open that. He uh that Basically this has remained sealed
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 2: until now.
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 4: Alright, let's up put that on the record. Well we're off.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 4: Is it your intent to purchase a copy or are
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 4: we gonna do this by code?
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the opportunity time to review the deposition
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: by punching in some kind of code so you can
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: look at it online.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 6: They'll give you a code and then you can read
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 6: it and make corrections.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 4: As so, yeah, I don't know if we'll do that.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 4: My point was this.
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  Speaker 3: My point was only this that if you're gonna purchase
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: a copy, we can do a stip where you you
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  Speaker 3: get you know, the original get sent to you and.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 4: Said that for safe keeping and all.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: But we're not going to do at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, in that case, we'll do whatever the rules require,
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, uh, I know We'll have to talk with you
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  Speaker 6: about that later cause we're in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, but it's I that's but it's otherwise not
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  Speaker 4: fair to the court recorder.
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• 2:41:25
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  Speaker 4: But I whatever, you guys want to do it all
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  Speaker 4: I've been figuring. I finally figured the counsel. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: we we we won't stip and you can work out
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  Speaker 4: how you do the review. Okay, Okay, just to all
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  Speaker 4: my please, we are back on the record at four
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 4: forty three pm.
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, while we're off the record, Uh, mister Aldhouse, we
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: discussed a correction that you'd like to make to your.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 4: Earlier testimony concerning Exhibit It's four and five course and
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 4: what was that?
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 6: Well, I believe I was responding, Uh, it possibly was
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 6: opened in in regards to Exhibit five, because I saw
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 6: that there was a missing notarized sheet, which was crucial
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 6: I thought, and also the missing uh first page of
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 6: the uh uh story treatment that was included. Now that
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 6: has been discovered that it was in fact in there,
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 6: so I don't contend that it was opened. Uh. If
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 6: it had been missing, then it would have been blatant
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 6: that something, something was missing.
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 4: So that's all I have to say about Okay, thank
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  Speaker 4: you very much.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 9: To thank you for.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're done.
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 4: We're done, and you wanna.
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  Speaker 8: Make him coming off it, won't you know?
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  Speaker 7: Uh n?
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  Speaker 3: I think we'll just proceed pursue it to the federal rules,
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 3: whatever those are.
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  Speaker 20: This is the end of our deposition, the end of
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 20: disc number three by you, number one, not the deposition
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 20: of Thomas auld House on December the thirteenth of the
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 20: year twenty thirteen.
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 4: You're off the record at four forty fourteen.
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 6: How do you thanks for finishing this on the one day.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 4: She had so much ch oh yeah, just like boys questions.
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 2: Good so, Linda, I was a little surprised at the
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: pacity of your initial disclosures that I guess we'll give
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 2: you a RPD. Are you saying that uh uh did
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 2: you just didn't feel you didn't have to furnish it?
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 2: Or are you saying that Warner Brothers doesn't have any
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 2: copies of.
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  Speaker 3: Any immortals in their fo We have no record of
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 3: having any copies that you want.
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  Speaker 9: M Okay, yeah, I just drink cold company.
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 4: I drink a lot of gold copy after a gas
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  Speaker 4: It was nice meeting old nicely. Thank you'd have a
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  Speaker 4: safe trip back.
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  Speaker 8: If you don't, thank you.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 9: For your patients.
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  Speaker 6: The years the better days.
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  Speaker 8: Is that.
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• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: I just became detached or something.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, cause it's not some Oh was that do?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 6: It goes back in the pocket, the original pocket you
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  Speaker 6: have the original.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wait, no, those are those where it's the Uh
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  Speaker 4: where are the official or reporter exhibits the other documents?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Right here there?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, make sure the other documents are inside there?
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  Speaker 2: What they that's that's the one.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, now that's a good episode. These are days.
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  Speaker 4: We're going on and on about you.
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  Speaker 6: Cause that's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: And where do you sing uh.
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  Speaker 4: Around the world? Oh my gosh, are you telling what?
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  Speaker 6: Are you gonna look up?
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  Speaker 4: Why I'm going back to Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: The prior versions of the scripts that difference do we
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  Speaker 2: do not have?
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  Speaker 4: We pu we've we do not have.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me say two things. I don't believe we
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 3: have prior versions of the second two, which are the
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 3: ones that you claim were infringed. Nor do I think
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  Speaker 3: there's any relevance to the to the prior versions, because
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 3: if you look at the law, what matters is what
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 3: was published.
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 4: So so I mean, obviously it's my it's clearly I have.
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe there was any copying here. I mean,
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 4: let me just be clear.
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to hide the ball, but by
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 3: the same token, cause there's no ball to hide. But
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 3: by the same token, what the intermediate drafts are entirely irrelevant.
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 3: Early drafts are entirely irrelevant.
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 2: Where there were some of uh independent creation, I'm gonna
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: request them, Are you gonna object to them?
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 8: Or I?
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  Speaker 4: only that I want to.
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  Speaker 5: We don't have our spar script have we have all?
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 4: Fine? When I'm happy to request again.
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  Speaker 2: Work drafts and aspar is the the Matrix one. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know what there is for that? Uh?
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 4: I think there are more, but you're not claiming infringement
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 6: So with the creation of the whole kids of the Matrix.
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 2: Customer production.
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 30: Not if you have a position I have at this one,
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 30: and I think my position on Matrix one, I mean
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 30: I think my person my position on on all grafts
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 30: prior to the final shooting strips is that there's no relevance.
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 4: But my position would particularly with respect to Matrix one,
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 4: is that.
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  Speaker 3: There's no that's there're neither relevance, nor relevant nor reasonably
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  Speaker 3: calculated because that's not this.
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  Speaker 2: Case, so you probably won't produce that.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's probably my position, but I got it's
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  Speaker 6: been important.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah doo. And then we'll when you know, the leader
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  Speaker 4: agree or you'll agree to disagree and take it. Okay, alright,
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