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Sharri | 9 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live from Israel is a special edition of Sharing.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show from the ancient city of Jerusalem.
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Speaker 2: Here in Israel, Benjaminette Yahoo is trying to kill the terrorists,
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Speaker 2: while back home, Albinizi is issuing visas to Palestinians with
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Speaker 2: links to her mus and Palestinian Islamic Jihat. This massive
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Speaker 2: story exploded in Question Time today.
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister has the visa for the individual been canceled?
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Speaker 2: Albinizi is putting Australians in danger through his reckless visa program.
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Speaker 2: He should visit Israel to look around at the devastation
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Speaker 2: terrorism can cause. Now I'm going to come back to
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Speaker 2: this topic in a moment tonight. I'm also going to
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Speaker 2: bring you the story of a newborn baby who was
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Speaker 2: only nine days old when her musk stormed his home.
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Speaker 2: The terrorists set the house alight, but baby Kai's mum
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Speaker 2: saved him by putting him up on a window seal.
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Speaker 2: This is a story of a miracle survival, one of
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Speaker 2: the rare happy endings on that dark day. Joining me
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Speaker 2: here in Jerusalem on the show tonight, Colonel Richard Kemp,
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Speaker 2: who commanded British forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. This comes
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Speaker 2: as Israel weighs its response to the Iranian missile strikes,
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Speaker 2: while Biden once a cease fire a month out from
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Speaker 2: the US election. Also joining me here a mother whose
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Speaker 2: son was murdered at the Nova Music Festival. His dream
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Speaker 2: was to visit Australia and his mum has honored his
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Speaker 2: memory by making that trip. Plus Richo and Michael Kroger
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Speaker 2: will fire up about all the news back home, including
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Speaker 2: how a high profile restaurant owner has been arrested. No
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Speaker 2: one will be dining at his restaurants anymore. But first Benjainetta,
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Speaker 2: who has declared that Israel has taken out the leadership
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Speaker 2: of Hesbelah in a video message to the Lebanese people, Nettigna,
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Speaker 2: who said he'd eliminated the leaders of the terror group.
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Speaker 4: Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel also has
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Speaker 4: a right to win, and Israel will win. We've degraded
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Speaker 4: Kbela's capabilities. We took out thousands of terrorists, including Nsuelo
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Speaker 4: himself and Osuelo's replacement and the replacement of his replacement.
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Speaker 4: Today Kbela is weaker than it's been for many, many years.
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Speaker 2: As you heard there, Israel not only took out Hesbelah's
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Speaker 2: leader of thirty two years, Hassan Nasralla, but his successor,
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Speaker 2: Hasham Savidin. They also bombed the terror group's intelligence headquarters
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Speaker 2: in Beirut and three thousand fighters were injured when their
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Speaker 2: pages exploded well. In his video message last night, Netna
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Speaker 2: who made an appeal for peace, He implored to Lebanese
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Speaker 2: people to take back their country from Hezbela control.
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Speaker 4: Don't let these terrorists destroy your future anymore than they've
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Speaker 4: already done. Stand up and take your country back. You
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Speaker 4: have an opportunity that hasn't existed in decades, an opportunity
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Speaker 4: to take care of the future of your children and grandchildren.
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Speaker 4: You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls
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Speaker 4: into the abyss of a long war that will lead
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Speaker 4: to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza. It
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Speaker 4: doesn't have to be that way. Each of you can
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Speaker 4: take a step for your future, even a small step,
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Speaker 4: you can make a difference. I say to you, the
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Speaker 4: people of Lebanon, free your country from Krisbala so that
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Speaker 4: this war can end. Free your country from Hrisbala. Said
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Speaker 4: that your country could prosper again, so that future generations
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Speaker 4: of Lebanese and Israeli children will know neither war nor bloodshed,
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Speaker 4: but will finally live together in peace.
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Speaker 2: Israel has no quarrel with Lebanon, only with Hesbela and
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Speaker 2: its Bacha Iran. Israel's success in decimating the Hesbela leadership
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Speaker 2: and thousands of terrorists has been swift. It's one of
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Speaker 2: the incredible military feats of our time. First the pager
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Speaker 2: and walkie talkie attacks and then the most brilliant of all,
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Speaker 2: killing Nasrallah while he was watching Netanyahu deliver his United
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Speaker 2: Nations address. And it appears that israel strikes against the
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Speaker 2: Hesbela leadership may have achieved a significant breakthrough. The terror
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Speaker 2: group just last night said it was prepared to enter
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Speaker 2: cease fire talks. This is an important development. The US
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Speaker 2: State Department said it showed Hesbela was and I quote,
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Speaker 2: getting bat it and now on the back foot. So
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Speaker 2: Israel's focus right now is shifting to Iran. There are
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Speaker 2: live talks with America about striking Iran in retaliation for
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Speaker 2: the two hundred ballistic missiles it launched last week against Israel.
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Speaker 2: There's a push from some Israeli politicians to go hard
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Speaker 2: and to strike Iran's nuclear facilities. Israeli politicians like Naftali
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Speaker 2: Bennett and Sharen Haskell told me this needs to be
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Speaker 2: done before the evil regime develops nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 5: So Iran is laid open and now is the exact
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Speaker 5: time that we must attack. We must take out the
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Speaker 5: nuclear program or at least as severely damage it.
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Speaker 6: We need to target those nuclear reactors that Iran has
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Speaker 6: been building.
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Speaker 1: For years now.
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Speaker 2: There's been many voices, including mine and my party members
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Speaker 2: to try and advocate for that, and Canadian Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: Pierre Poliev agrees.
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Speaker 7: I think the idea of allowing a genocidal, theocratic, unstable
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Speaker 7: dictatorship that is desperate to avoid being overthrown by its
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Speaker 7: own people to develop nuclear weapons is about the most
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Speaker 7: dangerous and irresponsible thing that the world could ever allow.
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Speaker 7: And if Israel were to stop that genocidal, theocratic, unstable
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Speaker 7: government from acquiring nuclear weapons, it would be a gift
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Speaker 7: by the Jewish state to humanity.
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Speaker 2: Well, he has an excellent point, and that's rare strength
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Speaker 2: from a Western leader, But there's an American election coming up,
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Speaker 2: and Joe Biden doesn't want to go to war with
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Speaker 2: Iran less than a month from polling day. Instead, he
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Speaker 2: reportedly wants a ceasefire. The relationship between Biden and Ettenyahoo
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Speaker 2: has deteriorated in recent months. Biden telephoned Israeli President Isaaczog
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Speaker 2: and not Netan Yahoo on the anniversary of October seven,
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Speaker 2: and a new book by Watergate journalist Bob Woodward claims
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Speaker 2: that Biden yelled at Netanyahoo after he eliminated a Hesbela commander.
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Speaker 2: It also claims that Biden called the Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: a liar when Israel sent troops into Rafa. And Israel
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Speaker 2: was right to do that, by the way, because they
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Speaker 2: rescued hostages in Rafa in a daring mission. But Biden
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Speaker 2: has been more worried about American politics then bringing home
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Speaker 2: the hostages, even though some of them are US citizens
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Speaker 2: or fighting off terrorists. And in Australia, Albanesi is even worse.
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Speaker 2: While Israel is trying to defeat the terrorists, it seems
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Speaker 2: Albanzi is bringing people into Australia who have links to Hermas.
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Speaker 2: The Albanzi government gave a visa to a Palestinian man
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Speaker 2: who had hosted her Musk leadership, and whose brothers and
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Speaker 2: sons were active members of Palestinian Islamic jihat. The Coalition
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Speaker 2: hounded Albinizi over this outrageous decision in Question Time Today.
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Speaker 3: In two thousand and nineteen, El Hassani reportedly hosted a
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Speaker 3: summit of terror organization leaders, which he opened by stating,
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Speaker 3: they must quote I quote confront the occupation by all
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Speaker 3: possible means. Prime Minister, has the visa of this individual
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Speaker 3: been canceled?
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Speaker 8: Have any of the tourist visas granted to those coming
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Speaker 8: from the terrorist controlled gars of war Zone since October seven,
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty three being canceled?
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister, does supporting hamas pass the character test for
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Speaker 3: an Australian visa?
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Speaker 2: You can hardly get a more serious issue. But the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister didn't bother to answer. He just handed over
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Speaker 2: to Tony Burke.
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Speaker 8: The process for all of these visas for people who've
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Speaker 8: come from Palestine has been exactly the same for every
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Speaker 8: one of them. If at any point our security agencies
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Speaker 8: gave advice to the government that a visa should be canceled,
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Speaker 8: then the government, of course would take seriously that advice.
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Speaker 8: Security agencies never stopped collecting information.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is now under pressure to cancel this visa,
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Speaker 2: but Tony Burke has already made it clear he wouldn't
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Speaker 2: send anyone back to Gaza. Well, perhaps these muppets should
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Speaker 2: have thought about this before they issued nearly three thousand
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Speaker 2: visas to Palestinians without proper security checks. They're just not
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Speaker 2: that bright in the Albanzi government. Well. Being here in
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Speaker 2: Israel during this war, visiting the sites of bloody massacres,
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Speaker 2: seeing the safe rooms riddled with bullet holes, I tell
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Speaker 2: you it makes me feel even more angry that the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government has put us all at risk by issuing
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Speaker 2: these three thousand visas with inadequate vetting. This is a
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Speaker 2: government making dangerous and reckless decisions, decisions that are disastrous
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Speaker 2: for social cohesion. By deliberately bringing people to our country
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Speaker 2: who may hate Jews and Westerners, who may support a genocidal,
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Speaker 2: murderous regime. And if there are any Hermas supporters among
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Speaker 2: the Gohort they've brought to Australia, well this could endanger
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Speaker 2: all of our lives. Our children deserve better, Australia deserves better.
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Speaker 2: Now this next story I'm about to bring you is
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Speaker 2: one of courage, bravery, and resilience. It's how a mum
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Speaker 2: saved her newborn baby while terrorists were banging on the
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Speaker 2: door of her safe room. Have a look.
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Speaker 9: We were around about six thirty in the morning. Sirens
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Speaker 9: started going off and Amy called me. I was in
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Speaker 9: another bedroom and she was sleeping in the safe room
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Speaker 9: and she called me to come, so I picked up
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Speaker 9: my phone. Funny enough, my little dog got scared and
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Speaker 9: he ran into the living room under the couch. I
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Speaker 9: ran to the room and I'm on the bed with
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Speaker 9: Amy and her husband, Duriel, and I'm laughing because I said, wow, look,
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Speaker 9: I'm in bed with my daughter and her husband. And
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Speaker 9: I was asking and Ariel said, don't worry, and ten
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Speaker 9: minutes we'll be having our early morning coffee. And he
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Speaker 9: just went on and on and on and at some stage,
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Speaker 9: I mean very close to then Amy decides to look
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Speaker 9: at her phone at the camera from the living room
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Speaker 9: and she said to me, they're trying to get in
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Speaker 9: the Hamas terrorists are trying to get in.
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Speaker 10: We felt the house shake when they were trying to
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Speaker 10: push in the door and break.
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Speaker 1: It down, but they couldn't.
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Speaker 11: So what they did, is that they just shot at
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Speaker 11: the lock of the door.
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Speaker 10: And that's exactly the same time that the electricity just
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Speaker 10: went out.
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Speaker 9: We all went into to do what we had to do.
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Speaker 9: I took the baby and I put my finger in
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Speaker 9: his mouth to soothe him and to stop him crying.
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Speaker 9: And he was only being breastfed, so you know, there
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Speaker 9: was a bottle or anything. And Amy and Uriel instinctively,
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Speaker 9: I don't know how new to hold the handle of
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Speaker 9: the of the safe door up.
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Speaker 2: They managed to put it just like price, it's just
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Speaker 2: a crack.
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Speaker 9: But if you can imagine you've got these monster fighters
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Speaker 9: on one side, and you've got.
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Speaker 1: This woman who's just had a babe.
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Speaker 2: That's what I can't believe that you had the strength
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Speaker 2: to win in that battle against the terrorists keeping the
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Speaker 2: door shut.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and of course she had a difficult birth, so
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Speaker 9: it wasn't an easy birth. But one has to understand
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Speaker 9: that Amy is a black built in karate and club maga,
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Speaker 9: and she was a fighter in the.
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Speaker 12: Army and probably a mother's survival instinct for her child
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Speaker 12: and the adrenaline of.
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Speaker 9: The moment, yeah for sure, for sure.
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Speaker 12: Clap Kai clap, So they couldn't get into the safe room,
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Speaker 12: and instead they lit the house on fire.
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Speaker 1: And they just dragged the furniture to that heard them
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Speaker 1: do it.
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Speaker 11: And then suddenly we.
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Speaker 10: See through the little crowd and see flames, and my
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Speaker 10: husband says, they're burning the house.
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Speaker 2: And then I guess they ran out.
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Speaker 13: We were left to die.
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Speaker 9: Then, unfortunately, we heard my dog scream and until he died.
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Speaker 9: I don't know if it was two minutes or ten minutes,
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Speaker 9: however long it took for them my little dog to die.
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Speaker 2: You heard him burn to death in the I screamed.
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Speaker 9: He just screamed and screamed. And after that point, I
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Speaker 9: just wasn't there anymore. So for the next you have
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Speaker 9: to ask gaming because I was on the floor, face
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Speaker 9: sixsels this disassociated with.
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Speaker 2: Just so distressed.
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Speaker 1: I think I just.
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Speaker 9: Prepared myself to die. That if I'd have died, I
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Speaker 9: wouldn't have felt the pain or the burning or I
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Speaker 9: don't know. It's what my therapist is helping me deal
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Speaker 9: with and come to terms with and understand, because I
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Speaker 9: still don't really understand it.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why I couldn't help them.
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Speaker 2: Why I.
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Speaker 13: Why I gave up that maybe if I hadn't a
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Speaker 13: given up, maybe I would have been the one to
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Speaker 13: jump out the window or freak out. So you don't
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Speaker 13: know if it was a good thing or a bad thing,
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Speaker 13: but I do know that I wasn't there to help them.
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Speaker 13: In fact, Amy, she's not only got to look after
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Speaker 13: a baby, but she's got to look after a mom
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Speaker 13: as well.
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Speaker 2: And drag me to the window.
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Speaker 12: To breathe and so Amy, what advice did the fire
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Speaker 12: brigade give you when you spoke.
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Speaker 10: To them, Well, first of all, you wanted to know
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Speaker 10: what the situation was with the smoke.
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Speaker 1: So what he told me was.
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Speaker 11: If we see the ceiling, we're still okay.
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Speaker 1: The smoke rises.
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Speaker 11: So I mean, mainly it's to try and block the
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Speaker 11: door with anything that was by the door most of
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Speaker 11: the time because I was afraid that they were going
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Speaker 11: to try and come in again.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, so I just kept up so we were still
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Speaker 14: holding When it got too art, I just took like
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Speaker 14: clothes and held the handles and clothes and my husband
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Speaker 14: held Kai by the window.
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Speaker 10: Eventually the firefighter said, look, you have to get into
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Speaker 10: fresh air if it's possible.
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Speaker 1: Cat a little opening in the.
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Speaker 14: Window and just putting up against.
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Speaker 1: It and let him breathe.
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Speaker 10: I mean, there was soot coming out in his mouth
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Speaker 10: and nose. Every time each of us held him up.
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Speaker 11: To the window, we would look out to see if
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Speaker 11: there were any terrorists. And then around two o'clock, maybe
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Speaker 11: just before two o'clock in the afternoon, there's me in
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Speaker 11: at the window with Kai.
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Speaker 10: Too tired to hold him out, so I just lay
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Speaker 10: him on the window still. That's the famous.
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Speaker 1: Picture of him on the window still. And then I.
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Speaker 11: See, oh, I first hear them, I hear.
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Speaker 10: Hebrew, and then I look at and I see soldiers
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Speaker 10: going through house to house, and I just take a
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Speaker 10: beef clothing and I just wave it out the window.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't say, there they are.
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Speaker 11: They're at the window, and I just knew that they
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Speaker 11: were looking for us.
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Speaker 1: They knew we were there, and they were there for us.
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Speaker 2: And that must have been the most incredible feeling.
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Speaker 1: It just made me be. It gave me the ability
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Speaker 1: to breathe.
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Speaker 11: You know, if you were holding.
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Speaker 1: Your breath until that one moment, and.
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Speaker 11: He knew that they were there for you and they
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Speaker 11: were going to see you.
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Speaker 2: So you saved Kay's life by letting him get that
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Speaker 2: air on the window.
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Speaker 10: Doing probably the one most dangerous thing we could.
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Speaker 5: Have got.
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Speaker 2: Such an incredible story and it's so nice that there's
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Speaker 2: at least one positive story to come out of October seven.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 2: Colonel Richard Camp is a distinguished commander who led British
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Speaker 2: forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. He has in depth experience
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Speaker 2: dealing with the threat of terror and place to say,
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Speaker 2: he joins me here in Jerusalem. Now, first of all,
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Speaker 2: before we get onto Hesbla, I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about the Palestinian visa issue. I've been speaking about how
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Speaker 2: the Albanesi government has issued nearly three thousand visas to
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Speaker 2: Gazans without adequate security vetting. What do you think about this?
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Speaker 15: I think it's absolutely shocking. The first duty of any
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Speaker 15: government is to protect its people, and clearly the Australian
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Speaker 15: government in this case is betraying its people. Who do
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Speaker 15: they think is going to get out of Gaza. It
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Speaker 15: takes a lot of money to get out of Gaza today,
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Speaker 15: and the people with money in Gaza are the people
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Speaker 15: connected to Hamas, so you can guarantee I would suggest
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Speaker 15: that the majority of those people, possibly all of them,
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Speaker 15: are going to have Hamas connections and probably Hamas sympathies
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Speaker 15: and therefore they will potentially, at least some of them
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Speaker 15: will endanger citizens within Australia.
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Speaker 2: And even without that, I mean, we're seeing such extraordinary
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Speaker 2: levels of hatred, of violence, of anti Semitism. The idea
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Speaker 2: of importing the conflicts from here to peaceful Australia is shocking.
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Speaker 15: Exactly, and we're seeing that the world. Oh we're seeing
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Speaker 15: in Britain as well as in Australia and other countries
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Speaker 15: around the world, where people who have sympathy they don't
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Speaker 15: care about democracy, they don't care about peace, they have
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Speaker 15: sympathy with terrorists, and they are intimidating Jewish populations because
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Speaker 15: of their affinity themselves with Israel.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to talk to you about the news overnight. Basically,
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Speaker 2: Hezbla has been beaten into submission. It's now calling for
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Speaker 2: a cease fire without Israel moving away from Gaza, which
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Speaker 2: is a huge development.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it.
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Speaker 15: It shows the immense damage that the Israelis have done
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Speaker 15: to his Blah, even just in the last few days,
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Speaker 15: but certainly over the last year. They've been hitting his
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Speaker 15: blog very hard in southern Lebanon in particular, but also
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Speaker 15: in Beirut ever since his blow began its war aggression
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Speaker 15: against Israel on the eighth of October last year, and
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Speaker 15: they've effectively decapitated Hisbelot, They've taken out the leader of
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Speaker 15: his Bol ISRAELA, They've taken up many of the other
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Speaker 15: senior leaders. And I think in this case, I've never
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Speaker 15: seen such a widespread and effective campaign of attack against
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Speaker 15: leadership of an enemy force. I think Prime Minister Netanyahu
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Speaker 15: here is rewriting the book on targeted warfare.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been utterly extraordinary. There's now debate and it
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Speaker 2: seems like disagreement between the United States and Israel about
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Speaker 2: exactly what the retaliation strikes against Iran should look like.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Israel should be targeting the nuclear sites
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Speaker 2: to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 15: Israel certainly should do that. Whether it's whether now is
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Speaker 15: the time or not is an open question, Because, of course,
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Speaker 15: to do the maximum damage to Iran's nuclear program, it
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Speaker 15: does need military support from the US. It can do damage,
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Speaker 15: and I think it should try and do some damage.
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Speaker 15: But there are other targets as well that can be hit,
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Speaker 15: and those include energy installations like oil and gas. They
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Speaker 15: include military bases, military facilities and capabilities, and all of
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Speaker 15: these should be among the target raiser Israel choosers. Whatever
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Speaker 15: they decide to hit, they should hit them very very hard.
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Speaker 15: Last April, after Iran fired about three hundred plus missiles
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Speaker 15: and drones at Israel, Israel responded with a light touch.
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Speaker 15: It didn't have the right effect because they not at all.
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Speaker 15: So now they've got to deter and they've got to
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Speaker 15: hit them, in my view, very very hard.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, it doesn't seem to be the appetite from international leadership,
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Speaker 2: whether it's Joe Biden in the United States and his
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Speaker 2: VP Kamala Harris, whether it's in Britain, in France and Germany, Canada, Australia.
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Speaker 2: What's your comment on the international leadership we're seeing at
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Speaker 2: the moment in the face of this very real terror threat.
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Speaker 15: The leaders in these Western countries understand the threat, they
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Speaker 15: know that Israel's doing the right thing. They're just afraid
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Speaker 15: of a country standing up for itself. They've forgotten how
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Speaker 15: a country needs to stand up for itself to survive.
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Speaker 15: It hasn't been a problem for most of these countries
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Speaker 15: so many years, and their priority now is to appease
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Speaker 15: the anti Israel mobs who are in the minority in
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Speaker 15: our countries, but they're allowed and vocal minority, and they
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Speaker 15: want to appease them, and particularly so in the United
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Speaker 15: States where the election is coming up.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing how strong Benjamin Netti, who looks compared to
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Speaker 2: some of these other leaders.
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Speaker 15: I haven't got the exact quote, but somebody in Australia
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Speaker 15: said yesterday, I believe that Netanya who is the Churchill
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Speaker 15: of our day, not the Chamberlain of our day, And
22:38
Speaker 15: I think that's absolutely right. He's an extremely strong leader.
22:42
Speaker 15: He's been criticized and vilified around the world by other leaders,
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Speaker 15: including President Biden, but everything he's done has shown to
22:49
Speaker 15: be right and proved to be right. And when you
22:51
Speaker 15: have his ballaar almost offering to have a ceasefire, when
22:55
Speaker 15: you have, for example, I think President is Sad in
22:58
Speaker 15: Syria has spoken about getting Iranian militias out of his country.
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Speaker 15: You know, you have a very very nervous Iran now
23:06
Speaker 15: which doesn't really know what to do. This shows that
23:10
Speaker 15: Netanyahu's strategy is on the right foot. And you know, okay,
23:15
Speaker 15: Gaza has gone on for a long time now that
23:17
Speaker 15: war has gone a long time. But it's a very
23:19
Speaker 15: complex war. But Israel's been extremely successful in that war.
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Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of international leaders are urging YETNYA
23:25
Speaker 2: who to wrap up the war, but the fact remains
23:28
Speaker 2: there are one hundred hostages still being held in Gaza,
23:31
Speaker 2: so Israel needs to bring those hostages home before it
23:34
Speaker 2: can pack up and go home.
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Speaker 15: Israel must do everything it can. But I believe it's
23:39
Speaker 15: been doing everything it can to both defeat Hamas and
23:42
Speaker 15: bring the hostages back, and it must continue that campaign.
23:45
Speaker 15: There's obviously a friction between those two objectives, but they
23:49
Speaker 15: are potentially both achievable and as far as his Blas concerned,
23:53
Speaker 15: As far as Lebanon's concerned, we're hearing also from politicians
23:57
Speaker 15: in Lebanon huge dissatisfaction now with Iran actually with his
24:00
Speaker 15: blare and speaking out against it. Now is not the time,
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Speaker 15: in my view, to come to any cease foreign level,
24:06
Speaker 15: and now is the time to smash the hell out
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Speaker 15: of his BLA as effectively and as violently as they can,
24:13
Speaker 15: because if you don't, if you have a ceasefire now
24:15
Speaker 15: without having guarantees of withdrawal of his balla to the North,
24:19
Speaker 15: without having guarantees of disarmament of his BLA. All you're
24:22
Speaker 15: doing is kicking the can down the road instead of
24:24
Speaker 15: doing what you need to do is just to smash
24:26
Speaker 15: the caunterpieces.
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Speaker 2: It's fascinating how they continually call for a ceasepy and
24:31
Speaker 2: for you know, abiding by international agreements. But the reality
24:35
Speaker 2: is after the Second Lebanon Will there was the United
24:37
Speaker 2: Nations seven oh one resolution which said that Hezbela needs
24:41
Speaker 2: to remain north of the Latiny River. They haven't done that.
24:44
Speaker 2: Instead they militarize the south. Yet the media around the
24:48
Speaker 2: world presented as somehow Israel being the aggressor. I mean,
24:52
Speaker 2: being here in Israel, and you've been in Israel for
24:54
Speaker 2: most of the past year, you see that there are
24:57
Speaker 2: hundreds of rockets a day target Israel in the north,
25:01
Speaker 2: targeting families in the north.
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Speaker 15: There was a massive barrage only yesterday against Haifa further
25:07
Speaker 15: south in Israel. Fortunately the idea of for got the
25:10
Speaker 15: capability of intercepting most of these missiles. But you can't
25:15
Speaker 15: be it can never be one hundred percent. And I
25:18
Speaker 15: think you know the key issue here is not just
25:22
Speaker 15: Resolution seventeen seventy one, which you mentioned which requires his
25:27
Speaker 15: blat to withdraw north of the Litani River, about eighteen
25:30
Speaker 15: miles north of the Israeli border. There's also a previous resolution,
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Speaker 15: I think it's fifteen fifty nine something like that, which
25:36
Speaker 15: required the disarmament of Isbela. Neither of these two things
25:40
Speaker 15: have happened. And the UNIFIL United Nations Peacekeeping Organization has
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Speaker 15: twelve thousand peacekeepers or had twelve thousand peacekeepers in Lebanon
25:49
Speaker 15: whose job is to enforce it. Yet it hasn't happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and no cause for a ceasefire.
25:54
Speaker 2: By the way, while Hezbela was firing, Israel or anyone's
25:57
Speaker 2: rostouts response. Good to see you, klonelpreciate your time, Jimmy Jerusalem,
26:01
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Well, plenty more to come. How
26:04
Speaker 2: damaged is alban easy? After his humiliating apology over at
26:08
Speaker 2: Tourette's syndrome insult in Parliament, Rich Oh and Michael Kroger
26:13
Speaker 2: would join me shortly. Plus, a mother whose son was
26:16
Speaker 2: murdered at the Nova Music Festival will be on the show.
26:20
Speaker 2: She'll tell us about her trip to Australia in her
26:23
Speaker 2: son's honor. That's after this quick break. Welcome back well. Mum.
26:32
Speaker 2: Tully Kishner's son Segev, just twenty two, was killed by
26:36
Speaker 2: hermas at the Nova Music Festival. Tully woke up in
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Speaker 2: the morning, heard something was wrong and was madly texting
26:44
Speaker 2: her son, but he never answered. He'd sadly been murdered,
26:49
Speaker 2: and Tully joins me here now, thank you very much
26:52
Speaker 2: for being here. Tell me what happened to Segev on
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Speaker 2: the morning of October seven.
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Speaker 6: It took us about four days to understand what happened.
27:04
Speaker 1: At first, we had no clue. We were seeking for
27:07
Speaker 1: any piece of information.
27:09
Speaker 6: Getting very terrifying, horrifying messages from the media, and you know,
27:18
Speaker 6: people were trying to understand what's going on. Where my
27:22
Speaker 6: husband went to the hospitals and we knew that he
27:26
Speaker 6: was not wounded. So after two days we understood that
27:30
Speaker 6: either he has been killed or maybe he was kidnapped
27:35
Speaker 6: and he's kept us a hostage. But on the fourth day,
27:40
Speaker 6: his friend that was together with him knocked on the door.
27:44
Speaker 6: He was very heavily wounded, early standing and he told
27:51
Speaker 6: us that he was.
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Speaker 1: With in this shelter and he.
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Speaker 2: Was lying under the sag of his body for six
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Speaker 2: hours and say.
28:05
Speaker 6: It was it was Dad, for sure, and that was
28:10
Speaker 6: the way that we got them.
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Speaker 2: Use so sorry, Tally, so so tough, and especially one
28:16
Speaker 2: year on and you're reliving it all and retelling the stories.
28:21
Speaker 1: You managed to retrieve.
28:22
Speaker 2: Some recordings from the shelter. Can you tell us about
28:25
Speaker 2: those recordings now?
28:28
Speaker 6: At every opportunity, I'm saying that we're really privileged. There
28:33
Speaker 6: were privileged in the way that we had an opportunity
28:36
Speaker 6: to see the last goodbye to our son. We privileged
28:41
Speaker 6: because we had the grieve to come and quiet, and
28:45
Speaker 6: we're privileged that we had a precious opportunity to know
28:50
Speaker 6: me by minute what happened to him, because it's the
28:53
Speaker 6: courage of his friends, one of his friends who is survivor,
28:58
Speaker 6: Ima Shapir, and another friend who was tragically killed near him.
29:05
Speaker 6: I yelled, and she was a young reporter, uh and
29:09
Speaker 6: and she just went when this horri final texts started,
29:12
Speaker 6: she pressed the button and she has recorded.
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Speaker 1: All the event, minute by minute of this horror says So.
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Speaker 2: It must be so hard to listen to that.
29:27
Speaker 1: It's another difficult Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I couldn't, of course listen for all the recorded once.
29:34
Speaker 6: It took me a lot of time and of course
29:36
Speaker 6: I couldn't. I couldn't listen to this at home. I
29:40
Speaker 6: was taking my phone to the cemetery and just being
29:43
Speaker 6: with Saga together, was trying to listen to this. And
29:47
Speaker 6: you know, the main thing is there there were twenty
29:50
Speaker 6: seven people there in the bone shelter. There were different
29:55
Speaker 6: people from difficult different political around.
30:00
Speaker 1: Different political views. There were Muslims, there were Jews.
30:05
Speaker 16: They were really very precious Israel, very small Israel in
30:11
Speaker 16: this bone shelter, and they were so respectful to each other.
30:16
Speaker 6: They were so loving, caring and and unbelievably human to
30:22
Speaker 6: each other. They were taking care and Annel Shapire was
30:27
Speaker 6: throwing the grenades outside the bone shelter and when he
30:32
Speaker 6: when he was killed, my son was just behind.
30:38
Speaker 1: He was taking care of.
30:40
Speaker 6: This, uh, you know interaction here they were trying to
30:43
Speaker 6: kill the police.
30:45
Speaker 1: They were superheroes. They were simply super so.
30:48
Speaker 2: Brave, so brave.
30:49
Speaker 1: Tali.
30:50
Speaker 2: Now you've done an incredible installation at the airport here
30:55
Speaker 2: in Tel Aviv in honor of your son Angels. Can
30:58
Speaker 2: you tell us about this artwork.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think that our Israel is bleeding, and the
31:06
Speaker 17: main thing we need to do is stand together and.
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Speaker 2: You know, the.
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Speaker 6: Loss is incredible, and it started on the October sevens
31:17
Speaker 6: but it's going on every day. We have funerals, we
31:20
Speaker 6: have memorial services, and it's a great strategy, and we
31:27
Speaker 6: wanted to show to the people the beauty of themselves.
31:34
Speaker 1: Everybody.
31:36
Speaker 6: They're almost in one thousand and seven hundred people that
31:40
Speaker 6: were lost during this terrible year, and in their memory,
31:45
Speaker 6: we want to be united together.
31:49
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful. Telligence very quickly and tell us you
31:52
Speaker 2: visited Australia and it had always been your son's dream
31:55
Speaker 2: to come to our beautiful country.
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Speaker 17: You have an incredible country, you have so much, so
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Speaker 17: many loving people and beautiful views, and I really fell.
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Speaker 6: In love with your country. And I'm worrying all the time.
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Speaker 6: This one, this is the heart to sell. The director
32:12
Speaker 6: that had got in Sydney. Bade Silvia and thank you.
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Speaker 17: So much for being such a great friends of Israel
32:19
Speaker 17: and stand with us in this very difficult time.
32:21
Speaker 2: Thank you Tully for being here. Really really appreciate it.
32:24
Speaker 2: All right, still to come on the show. Albanezi's humiliating
32:28
Speaker 2: apology over a Turette insult in parliament, plus the high
32:32
Speaker 2: profile restaurant are charged after holding an anti Semitic sign. Well,
32:36
Speaker 2: Richo and Michael Kroger will fire up with their views
32:39
Speaker 2: on this after the break. Okay, let's have a look
32:46
Speaker 2: at a couple of the big issues dominating Australian politics.
32:49
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has been forced to eat a big
32:52
Speaker 2: slice of humble pie after he was accused of mocking
32:55
Speaker 2: people with disabilities. Here were his original comments in question time.
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Speaker 18: The idea that where have you got tourets or something?
33:09
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you see.
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Speaker 4: The bamble bamble bab order.
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Speaker 18: Are we drawing, mister speaker?
33:14
Speaker 17: Are we draw?
33:15
Speaker 1: Are we drink? We join and apologize.
33:21
Speaker 2: Alban Easy returned to the Lower House later and this
33:25
Speaker 2: is how he apologized.
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Speaker 18: I made comments that were unkind and hurtful. I knew
33:30
Speaker 18: it was wrong as soon as I made the comment.
33:33
Speaker 18: I apologized and I withdrew as soon as I said it.
33:37
Speaker 18: But it shouldn't have happened. And I also want to
33:39
Speaker 18: apologize to all Australians who suffer from this disability.
33:46
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in now farmer Victorian Liberal Party President
33:49
Speaker 2: of Michael Kroger and Farmer Labor Minister Gray and Richardson
33:53
Speaker 2: Welcome gentleman, Michael, this is hypocritical, coming from the man
33:57
Speaker 2: who promised during the election campaign to do politics differently.
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Speaker 19: Well, first of all, congratulations show on your extraordinary reporting
34:06
Speaker 19: from Israel. We've just been outstanding. But on this issue, Look,
34:12
Speaker 19: it was very unprime ministerial. It was silly, it was childish,
34:16
Speaker 19: and you know, people with disabilities are not to be mocked.
34:19
Speaker 19: I mean, that's you know, I mean a number of
34:23
Speaker 19: people made this point. Jane Hu made this point, I
34:25
Speaker 19: mean seriously, to make fun of it in Parliament. Yes,
34:29
Speaker 19: he apologize, but boy, this guy's under a lot of
34:32
Speaker 19: pressure and it's showing, and it's unfortunately. It's something he'll
34:37
Speaker 19: never live down, and nor should Penny Wong, who said
34:39
Speaker 19: the same thing in the Senate a decade ago.
34:41
Speaker 2: As we know, rich O, surely not even you are
34:47
Speaker 2: made of elbows, can defend this one.
34:50
Speaker 20: Now, no one can defend this one. He made a mistake,
34:53
Speaker 20: he stuffed up, and he's paid a bit of a
34:55
Speaker 20: penalty for it.
35:01
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's turn to this story. This is
35:03
Speaker 2: a big front page story today and I know it's
35:05
Speaker 2: shocked a lot of people. I've been shocked by it.
35:07
Speaker 2: A prominent restaurant. The owner of Nomad in Sydney has
35:11
Speaker 2: been charged with holding an anti Semitic sign at a
35:14
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian rally over the weekend. Now New Southeles police
35:18
Speaker 2: have charged Alan Yasbeck for allegedly holding a sign of
35:22
Speaker 2: the Israeli flag with the Nazi swastika in the center.
35:26
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, everyone has to boycott his restaurants now, Shirley.
35:33
Speaker 1: Well, I'd hope so.
35:34
Speaker 19: I mean, this is a man who's equating Jews with Nazis.
35:38
Speaker 19: What a profoundly ignorant foolless guy is. And his restaurant
35:42
Speaker 19: on the corner of Collin Street and Queen Street in
35:44
Speaker 19: Melbourne is a very high and well known restaurant which
35:47
Speaker 19: I've been to. I'll never be going back there, and
35:50
Speaker 19: I'll be telling anyone that I know who's been there
35:53
Speaker 19: never to go again. If this type of Jewish hating
35:57
Speaker 19: racism is the view of the owner of that restaurant,
36:01
Speaker 19: I don't know about his wife's view, but it's certainly
36:03
Speaker 19: his view to hold that disgusting flag never again in
36:07
Speaker 19: his restaurants, and shame on him for this disgusting display
36:13
Speaker 19: of historical ignorance and inhumanity, absolutely disgusting performance by this guy.
36:25
Speaker 2: And rich Are the Australians already reporting that there have
36:28
Speaker 2: been cancelations at Nomad?
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Speaker 20: Well, I hope there have been cancelations at Nomad, and
36:34
Speaker 20: I hope there'll be many more. This is an unforgivable act,
36:38
Speaker 20: a disgraceful act, beneath the dignity of any decent person.
36:43
Speaker 20: As far as I'm concerned, I would never go to
36:46
Speaker 20: this restaurant, and I have there's a lot of people
36:49
Speaker 20: have got that same view.
36:54
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's.
36:54
Speaker 2: Talk about the front page of the Daily Telegraph today.
36:57
Speaker 2: I mentioned it earlier in the show. I spoke about
36:59
Speaker 2: it with Colonel Richard Camp, and now Peter Darton is
37:02
Speaker 2: demanding an explanation for how a Palestinian man was granted
37:06
Speaker 2: a visa to Australia despite associating with political members of
37:11
Speaker 2: Hamas and other terror organizations in Gaza. As we've been saying,
37:16
Speaker 2: Fayeza Hassani has been in Australia since July. We don't
37:20
Speaker 2: know whether his application was even referred to. Asio Michael,
37:24
Speaker 2: this isn't a surprise. We've been warning this would happen
37:27
Speaker 2: if you bring three thousand people in from Gaza without
37:29
Speaker 2: doing any security checks.
37:33
Speaker 19: Well, absolutely, and we can't get any answers in the parliament.
37:37
Speaker 19: Tony Burke, who stocks had risen in certainly labor circles
37:42
Speaker 19: after his performance in his previous ministry. They loved him
37:45
Speaker 19: and the press did. But certainly in this portfolio Burke
37:49
Speaker 19: has not done well and you'd have expected him to
37:53
Speaker 19: be more fulsome and explaining in the Australian public what's
37:55
Speaker 19: going on. No, he's fallen into that terrible trap of
37:58
Speaker 19: just saying, you know, we rely on the you know,
38:01
Speaker 19: security agencies and you know if you don't support them,
38:04
Speaker 19: well that's up to you. Well that's not an answer.
38:06
Speaker 19: I mean, that's not an answer. This is exactly what
38:08
Speaker 19: people want to know. Are people coming to this country
38:12
Speaker 19: who have associations with terrorists? And this person clearly does.
38:16
Speaker 19: Why are they coming into Australia. Why because Burke and
38:19
Speaker 19: a few people want to hang on to their seats
38:21
Speaker 19: in Western Sydney. I mean, this is this is appalling.
38:25
Speaker 19: As Greg Shearan has said, this government lacks any moral
38:28
Speaker 19: clarity in relation to these issues. In relation to Israel
38:31
Speaker 19: in the Middle East and now in relation to this
38:34
Speaker 19: three thousand visas. You know, we can't find any country
38:37
Speaker 19: in the world has issued more than a couple of hundred,
38:39
Speaker 19: Yet three thousand to Australia.
38:42
Speaker 1: Why not Egypt?
38:42
Speaker 19: Why didn't you get a visa to Egypt or Jordan
38:46
Speaker 19: or somewhere else. No, he comes here. So this is
38:50
Speaker 19: a shocking black mark against the government. It's profoundly ignorant
38:53
Speaker 19: of them to be taking so many people without proper
38:55
Speaker 19: security checks. Obviously, Shari he did not have a security
38:59
Speaker 19: check and he should not be in this country.
39:04
Speaker 2: Absolutely, our government has utterly failed us here. Rich the
39:08
Speaker 2: Prime Minister is going to have to cancel this visa.
39:11
Speaker 2: But the difficulty is that Tony Burke has said publicly
39:14
Speaker 2: no one is being sent back to Gaza, So what
39:17
Speaker 2: are they What are they going to do now? What
39:18
Speaker 2: are they going to do when it does emerge like
39:21
Speaker 2: in this case that someone has links to her mus.
39:24
Speaker 20: Well, it really is you can't transfer him unto the ether,
39:29
Speaker 20: so you've got to do something with him that's that's
39:34
Speaker 20: tangible and that everyone can see. Seems to me that
39:39
Speaker 20: Australians overwhelmingly don't want this kind of person in Australia
39:44
Speaker 20: have to say neither to Why and as far as
39:47
Speaker 20: I'm concerned, he should be booted.
39:53
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think. Anthony Albanezi and Penny
39:56
Speaker 2: Wang and certainly Tony Burke need to come here. They
39:58
Speaker 2: need to do what I did and walk through Kidbootzberri,
40:02
Speaker 2: which was one of the hardest hit. See the burnt
40:05
Speaker 2: out houses, See the safe rooms that are riddled with bullets,
40:09
Speaker 2: See the fact that little children and babies were murdered,
40:13
Speaker 2: were slaughtered. They need to go to the side of
40:15
Speaker 2: the music festival and then maybe they will start to
40:18
Speaker 2: understand what a serious threat he Muss is because at
40:20
Speaker 2: the moment they clearly just don't get it. Now, let's
40:24
Speaker 2: talk about former Labor senator and activist Fatima Payment. She's
40:29
Speaker 2: officially announced that she's got a new policy party. It's
40:33
Speaker 2: called Australia's Voice. She's an independent senator now, she's no
40:37
Speaker 2: longer sitting with Labor. We don't know any details, Michael Kroger.
40:41
Speaker 2: We can only assume that she's going to target some
40:44
Speaker 2: seats across the country where there are high Muslim populations.
40:48
Speaker 2: Do you think that Labour needs to be worried about
40:50
Speaker 2: her new political party.
40:53
Speaker 19: No, I don't. I don't think they need to be
40:55
Speaker 19: worried about her at all. She resigned from the Labor
40:58
Speaker 19: Party because the Labor Party extreme enough on the Middle East,
41:02
Speaker 19: so you know, hello, So that means she's just appealing
41:06
Speaker 19: to a small number of Australians who basically attend those
41:10
Speaker 19: rallies and demonstrations. She said she's broader than that. She's
41:14
Speaker 19: not just a Muslim party. She's got all sorts of
41:17
Speaker 19: other views, none of which we know about. She won't
41:20
Speaker 19: win any rep seats, she's got zero chance of that,
41:22
Speaker 19: and I doubt she'll win a Senate seat. And you know,
41:26
Speaker 19: taking the name of the Voice is quite clever because
41:29
Speaker 19: she's even though she denied this, she's very clearly trying
41:32
Speaker 19: to make people think, well, well, this has got something
41:34
Speaker 19: to do with the Voice, which forty per cent of
41:36
Speaker 19: the country voted for. So there will be people that
41:38
Speaker 19: donkey vote and think this has something to do with
41:40
Speaker 19: the Voice and vote for for that reason. But otherwise
41:44
Speaker 19: I don't think there's any Reasonaby anying would vote for
41:46
Speaker 19: her party at all, to be.
41:47
Speaker 2: Quite frank, no, yeah, kind of strange. Richard. What do
41:52
Speaker 2: you think about or what can you tell us from
41:55
Speaker 2: your internal conversations with senior Labor figures about how worried
42:00
Speaker 2: labor is not just about Fatima Payman, but about these
42:03
Speaker 2: other Muslim candidates that are running in Western Sydney marginal seats.
42:07
Speaker 20: I don't think labour's too worried. I've had conversations with
42:11
Speaker 20: a number of people about this, and I think the
42:14
Speaker 20: view most generally is that very few of these candidates
42:18
Speaker 20: will draw many votes, and most of them will just
42:22
Speaker 20: get a few votes and disappear into history, and I
42:27
Speaker 20: think no one will remember their names, and that's a good.
42:30
Speaker 2: Thing, all right, all right, Well, that's all we've got
42:35
Speaker 2: time for. Michael Kroger. Thank you for your kind words
42:38
Speaker 2: at the start. Gray and Richardson, I'll see you both
42:40
Speaker 2: back in Australia next week now still to come in
42:43
Speaker 2: the show. The World shed tears when Israeli hostage Carmel
42:47
Speaker 2: gat was executed by Hermas because Israeli forces had been
42:51
Speaker 2: on the verge of rescuing her or her cousin would
42:55
Speaker 2: join me here next welcome back well. On October seven,
43:03
Speaker 2: Carmel Gatt was visiting her parents at Kibbutz Barri when
43:07
Speaker 2: she was abducted by her mus There was hope for
43:11
Speaker 2: Carmel's safe return. But there on September first this year,
43:15
Speaker 2: her body was recovered by the IDF in a tunnel
43:19
Speaker 2: in Gaza, along with five other hostages. She'd been executed
43:24
Speaker 2: in cold blood, and her cousin Shae Dickman joins me here. Now, Shaye,
43:29
Speaker 2: this is devastating because Israeli forces were so close by,
43:34
Speaker 2: and we believe that is why Hermas decided to execute them.
43:38
Speaker 21: What can you tell us, Yes, the terrorists for the trigger,
43:43
Speaker 21: this is what we were afraid for. All this same
43:47
Speaker 21: we knew there is a gun pointed at Carmel's head
43:51
Speaker 21: for three hundred and twenty eight days, and we knew
43:54
Speaker 21: that she was holding on the two hostages, two teenagers
43:58
Speaker 21: that came back on November in the deal. Told that's
44:01
Speaker 21: that Carmel was the guardian angel, She was a source
44:05
Speaker 21: of hope. She was doing yoga with them and trying
44:10
Speaker 21: to save their souls and their minds until the woman.
44:14
Speaker 21: They were released, but Carmel was left behind. And all
44:21
Speaker 21: along this time we were pushing for a deal, a
44:23
Speaker 21: deal that would save lives, and we knew that Carmel
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Speaker 21: is still in the hands of the same terrorists that
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Speaker 21: torn her from her family that murdered her mother, and
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Speaker 21: we were afraid just from this moment that happened.
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Speaker 2: In the end, I'm so sorry what your family spent her.
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Speaker 2: It's just so horrific. Now you mentioned Carmel's mother was
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Speaker 2: murdered sound October seven. She was visiting her parents at
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Speaker 2: Kidboards Array. That take us through the story, because it's
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Speaker 2: quite extraordinary. Her mother saw her mass approaching from the
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Speaker 2: kitchen window and then what happened.
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Speaker 21: Right, So, Carmel was in the safe room with all
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Speaker 21: of the family. You can see her beautiful niece and
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Speaker 21: her niece is covering her ears because of the bombing,
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Speaker 21: and Carmel, inside this horror and terror, found the inner
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Speaker 21: power to take a book from the shelf and read
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Speaker 21: to her three and a half year old niece. And
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Speaker 21: just at ten thirty, Kine and her mother went to
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Speaker 21: the kitchen to bring some food and water to everybody,
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Speaker 21: and then from the window of the kitchen she saw
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Speaker 21: the terrorists and the last thing that she managed to
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Speaker 21: do is to warn her husband, Eschel, and she saved
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Speaker 21: his life.
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Speaker 1: He went to hide in the toilet.
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Speaker 21: No one could have known that the toilet would be
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Speaker 21: the one room that the terrorists would not invade. And
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Speaker 21: Eschel saw one by one how his kids and his
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Speaker 21: granddaughter are taken by the terrorists.
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Speaker 2: Sausage, and there was nothing he could do to say
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Speaker 2: he was helpless. Yes, and so the three and a
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Speaker 2: half year old Camel's nace. You just showed us a
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Speaker 2: picture of such a beautiful little girl. So she was
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Speaker 2: taken hostage, is that right?
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Speaker 10: Right?
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Speaker 21: So Alone Carmel's brother, he was taken with his wife
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Speaker 21: and child, three and a half year old Geffen. They
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Speaker 21: were put in a car and taken by the terrorists
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Speaker 21: with another guy from the Kibbutz who was put in
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Speaker 21: the trunk, and four terrorists inside this tiny car. And
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Speaker 21: the car was driving, and at a certain point a
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Speaker 21: tank came by and three of the four terrorists just
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Speaker 21: took off. They were afraid from the tank and alone
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Speaker 21: your then Geffen and Tal were left with the driver.
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Speaker 21: The car was driving, and Alone said to her, then
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Speaker 21: this is the time we're taking off, and they.
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Speaker 1: Took off from the car.
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Speaker 2: They escaped.
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Speaker 21: They escaped while the car was driving. Then was holding
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Speaker 21: Geffen and they started running. And then realized that her
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Speaker 21: daughter's best chance to survive is if she passes her
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Speaker 21: to Alan who's running faster, and she passed Geffen and
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Speaker 21: she told him save our daughter, even though she stayed behind.
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Speaker 21: And this is what alone did, and he managed, he managed,
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Speaker 21: He saved his daughter. Rden was kidnapped, taken hostage into Gaza.
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Speaker 2: So so tough. So she was then released in that
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Speaker 2: first negotiated deal in Bember last year.
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Speaker 21: I'd like to show you this beautiful picture was taken
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Speaker 21: after her mom coming home to her, her mom coming
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Speaker 21: home to her, and we told Geffen that even though
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Speaker 21: she saw she saw everything in her own eyes. We
47:49
Speaker 21: told her that the bad guys took her. She saw
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Speaker 21: the bad guys. They took her, and we lost her.
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Speaker 21: But we're going to find her. And we did. We
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Speaker 21: found mom and today we'll get some fitting in the
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Speaker 21: Friday dinner table and she calls mom, Mom is coming
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Speaker 21: and this is what we are waiting for for dozens
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Speaker 21: of hugs.
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Speaker 2: Still one hundred and one hostages remaining. All right, Shaye,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you
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Speaker 2: sharing your story with Australia.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sherry, And that's.
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Speaker 2: All we have time for. Tonight Tomorrow is my last
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Speaker 2: show from Israel. So don't miss at eight o'clock tomorrow
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Speaker 2: night live from Jerusalem. But right now, here's Paul Murray.