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AI and Spirituality Q&A with Dr. Drew Dickens · Karl and Crew

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  S7: Oh, man. I'll be honest with you. My wife and
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  S6: phone lines. Text lines. We've got Doctor Drew Dickens here
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  S6: with us for an hour. And boy, this is timely. Uh,
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  S6: I want to prime the pump here, brother. There's a
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  S6: lot going on with AI. You're an expert. Um, I've
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  S6: got a question for you. But, Ali, let's make sure
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  S6: people know who in the world drew is here.
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  S4: Doctor drew Dickens, he's our AI expert, visionary, leader, scholar.
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  S4: He has significantly contributed to work involving the intersection of technology, spirituality,
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  S4: and faith based engagement. He has a phenomenal podcast that
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  S4: talks about AI and he has become a favorite. I
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  S4: like to say that his episode last year was our
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  S4: most downloaded podcast of the year.
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  S6: Yeah, so if you've got questions, give us a call
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  S6: right now. How do they reach us?
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  S4: Ali 800 oh switch number here 800 555 7898. We
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  S6: Okay. Drew. Uh, block, uh, big tech company laid off 40%
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  S6: of their workforce. Yeah. What's going on, man? I'm hearing
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  S6: more and more that entry level jobs for data crunchers, uh,
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  S6: code writers, lawyers. There's there's it was, you know, years ago,
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  S6: they thought, oh, AI comes it's going to gobble up
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  S6: blue collar jobs. It's gobbling up white collar. What's going on?
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  S6: Give us the lay of the land here.
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  S7: Yeah. Jack Dorsey, who is the president of block that
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  S7: you just mentioned? Uh, people might not have heard of
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  S7: the company, but they they use it every day when
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  S7: you go up and you tap your credit card at
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  S7: the machine at the convenience store, uh, that's called square.
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  S7: That little, uh, little block that you tap. Um, they've
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  S7: got 10,000 employees. They laid off 4000 of them. Uh,
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  S7: he attributes that to AI. Uh, so what's happening? I
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  S7: was watching an interview just the other day of, uh,
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  S7: the president and the CEOs of, uh, Anthropic Claude. Um,
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  S7: and someone asked them if you if you had a
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  S7: kid right now in college, what would you tell them
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  S7: to major in? And it was really interesting. It used
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  S7: to be computer code, computer programming, man. That's where the
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  S7: future is. And she said, Liberal arts. Um, and that's
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  S7: really the type of thinking that a lot of these organizations, these,
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  S7: these AI firms are looking at, they just want people
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  S7: that can think, they can communicate. And so yeah, these
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  S7: job losses are coming. They're here. They're happening. It's only
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  S7: going to increase I think. Um, but it's really having
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  S7: a background and just learning how to think and learning
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  S7: how to communicate I think is going to be one
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  S7: of the greatest ways to kind of save what you've
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  S7: got and build for the future.
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  S4: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest right now, he is an
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  S4: AI expert, so phone lines and text lines open right now.
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  S4: If you want to send us a question that you
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  S4: Give us just a little bit of an overview of
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  S4: how this became such a an area of expertise for you.
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  S7: Oh my gosh. So when I was back in seminary,
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  S7: I was doing a lot of writing back then on
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  S7: theology and technology, that crossroads. So when I went on
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  S7: to pursue my doctorate, you kind of have to narrow
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  S7: down when you do that. And so this was, oh
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  S7: my gosh, six years ago, hard to believe Covid. Uh,
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  S7: six years ago, um, I decided to narrow down into
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  S7: AI and everybody was like, what is that? Nobody was
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  S7: talking about it. AI really blossomed during the World War two,
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  S7: but nobody was really talking about it. Wasn't making the news. Uh,
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  S7: and then six years ago, I thought, you know, that's
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  S7: where I'm going to focus. And the joke is, I
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  S7: couldn't get a return phone call. Now everybody wants me
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  S7: on their podcast. And so it's been amazing writing this,
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  S7: this wave. And you guys have been such incredible partners
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  S7: with me in this. Really this last year, uh, and
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  S7: when you and I first met at, uh, Carl at the,
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  S7: at the NRP, but, um, so it's been an amazing
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  S7: ride and it has just been exponential. The growth that
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  S7: we're seeing every every day. The AI capacity, AI capabilities, uh,
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  S7: report came out last week, doubles every seven months. Uh,
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  S7: you know, it used to be every couple years.
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  S6: And that's going to get that's going to speed up.
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  S7: Yeah. It's not really even even an up and to
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  S7: the right kind of movement. It's just a it's just
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  S7: straight up. Now when you look at these curves it's
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  S7: just like flat and then boom, straight up. So it's
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  S7: not even a gradual increase. It's it's it's amazing to watch.
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  S6: we've got Mac. First time caller from Florida. What do
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  S6: you say, Mac?
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  S8: Hey, how are you today?
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  S6: Good. What's your question for Doctor Drew?
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  S8: I wanted to ask Doctor Drew. Is there a room
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  S8: in space or. You know, what? Should a 55 year old, uh,
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  S8: consider educating himself on that? You know, newly getting familiar
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  S8: with AI and has great experience in the workforce, you know,
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  S8: with customer service and the hospitality industry.
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  S7: Hmm.
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  S6: Good question. Thanks, Mac. What do you say, drew?
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  S7: Mac, you're 55. You're a kid. I'm 66, and I'm
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  S7: doing this, so no excuse. Man, I love the question.
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  S7: I love your heart for even wanting to be a
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  S7: part of this. I would start by starting. I would
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  S7: pick a language model. Uh, whether it's Claude, whether it's ChatGPT, Gemini,
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  S7: any of these, and they're only really a couple of
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  S7: handfuls of them. So you don't need to spend a
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  S7: lot of time searching around, but just pick one and
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  S7: and get on there and just start typing and just
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  S7: start getting in there and start asking some questions and
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  S7: getting used to it. I tell you what every language
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  S7: model is now offering every one of them. I saw
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  S7: one just this morning that that anthropic, which is Claude, uh,
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  S7: they're offering an online. It's all free online courses on
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  S7: how to learn and how to apply these. So Claude
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  S7: is offering a free online course on, uh, how to
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  S7: get involved in what's called Agentic AI or agents. We
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  S7: talked about that on, on our, on this show a
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  S7: couple of weeks ago with Claude. So each of these
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  S7: is offering free programs. Gemini, which is Google, they have
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  S7: a free program. Um, and a lot of the universities
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  S7: are doing the same thing Stanford University, MIT, Harvard, they
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  S7: all have just a little two week online courses you
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  S7: can do to, to, to get into the basics. And
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  S7: they're all free. So I would start there.
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  S6: There's a lot of discussion about these different models, these
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  S6: different AI engines. What are they called by the way.
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  S6: What are they called platforms. Engines. What are they called.
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  S7: I still struggle with with the with the pronouns. Do
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  S7: I call him he or she when I'm engaging with
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  S7: these things? So great question entity I'm kind of been
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  S7: using lately. But it's a language model. So it's a model.
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  S6: Yeah. Okay. By the way, one last I don't want
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  S6: to miss this, uh, Forrest from Indiana, $100 monthly gifts. So, brother.
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  S6: Thank you. Um, you know, I gotta tell you, uh, drew,
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  S6: it's very interesting because I think there's a lot of fear.
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  S6: There's a lot of misunderstanding. What should a Christ followers
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  S6: posture be toward AI?
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  S7: Well, you know, we know in Scripture all things were
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  S7: created by him and for him. Uh, God didn't. And
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  S7: I don't mean to joke about this, but I think
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  S7: we can inadvertently take on this attitude. This didn't surprise
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  S7: the creator of the universe. He God knew this was coming.
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  S7: He saw this coming. Um, and so all things by
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  S7: him and for him there is, there is, uh. Well,
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  S7: I don't want to use the word evil, um, because
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  S7: just fans that flame of that. But but there, there
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  S7: is bad in this and there's so much good in this.
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  S7: So I think the word that you and I talk
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  S7: about all the time is discernment. I think we need
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  S7: to enter into this space with a discerning, prayerful spirit, um,
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  S7: and intentionally ask the Lord to be the spirit, to
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  S7: be revealed in our time with this, with these platforms,
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  S7: with these models. Uh, so I think that's the that's
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  S7: the heart that we need to have is to pursue
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  S7: God in and through this technology. Because much good can
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  S7: come of this much bad can be there too. So
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  S7: we just need to be discerning. As we walk through
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  S7: these days.
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  S4: 555 7898 800 555 7898. Doctor drew, I'm curious about
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  S4: a recent podcast episode that you had that talked about
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  S4: faithful resistance to AI. Give us some of the examples
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  S4: of what we've seen nationwide and what to make of it.
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  S7: Yeah. Thank you. That actually just went live about, uh,
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  S7: an hour and a half ago. So, uh, boy, you
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  S7: were on the cutting edge of that. Uh, thank you
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  S7: for listening. Thank you for seeing that. Uh, so time magazine, uh,
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  S7: just a week or so ago, came out with an episode, uh,
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  S7: with an episode with a with a, uh, with a
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  S7: article cover article about the AI resistance. And it interviewed, uh, nine,
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  S7: I believe people, uh, that are pushing back against it. Uh,
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  S7: and so there are a lot of, uh, a lot
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  S7: of reasons that we're seeing in community about that. We,
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  S7: we talk on this show quite a bit about the
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  S7: danger of isolation when it comes to AI, these AI companions. Uh,
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  S7: we can talk about that a little more if you want.
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  S7: About 70% I've read now of teens, uh, spend at
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  S7: some point in their day with an AI companion. Just.
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  S7: That's crazy. 70%.
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  S6: That is not good, is it, drew?
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  S7: No no no no no, it frightens me. I've been.
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  S7: I've been crying this for a year now. Uh, I
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  S7: think that's one of the greatest risks that we all have,
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  S7: teens or grandparents alike is, uh, developing a and I'm
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  S7: doing air quotes here, uh, for radio. But a relationship, uh,
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  S7: of course it's not. But but when we start to
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  S7: develop a relationship with these platforms, with these models, very dangerous,
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  S7: very dangerous, you know, um. Go ahead.
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  S6: No, I'm just the danger is weird, and it can
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  S6: get slippery. I have given a prompt to my AI
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  S6: platform don't stroke my ego. Don't tell me. Great question.
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  S6: Don't massage me. I don't need that. I'm not talking
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  S6: to a person, so I'm not rude about it. But
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  S6: I'm also very forthright and I say just give me
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  S6: the facts because I don't need that. These things are
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  S6: given towards stroking people. Oh yeah, and it's weird, isn't it?
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  S7: Well, yes. And they're brilliant at it. Um, it's called
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  S7: being a sycophant is the is the big fancy term
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  S7: for that. And you know why they're good at that?
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  S7: Because they have read these AI models, have read every book,
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  S7: every ever written about human interactions. So it knows we
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  S7: love that stuff secretly. Okay. Um, and yeah, I, like you,
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  S7: have done the same thing. I have coded mine to
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  S7: not do that because frankly, it's a waste of time.
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  S7: But I will ask it.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S7: I will, I will ask it the most benign what's
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  S7: the weather for today and it will come back and say, oh, drew,
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  S7: what a brilliant question from such a wise and handsome man.
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  S3: Ah.
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  S7: And I'm like, okay, enough, enough, enough. Just give me
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  S7: the temperature. Okay. Um, but yeah, yeah, but it does
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  S7: that because it knows that we like that. And so
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  S7: it just feeds it right back to us, which it
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  S7: just builds on the need for isolation and relationship. Phone lines, dangerous.
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  S3: Wow.
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  S9: Yeah. How does a math teacher of high school students
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  S9: encourage the proper use of AI without allowing them to
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  S9: just shortcut their learning? uh, and use it as a
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  S9: way to cheat.
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  S6: Wow, what a question. What do you say, drew?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S7: Boy. Craig. And first off, thank you for the work
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  S7: that you're doing with those students. Uh, that is God's work.
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  S7: And so pedagogy or teaching an AI is an explosive
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  S7: field right now. Um, I was I'm talking to, uh,
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  S7: going up to Indiana in a couple of weeks to
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  S7: speak at a, at a large Christian school up there. And, uh,
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  S7: every it seems like every day I get an email
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  S7: from a teacher, uh, just like, how do I navigate
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  S7: these waters? And you're not alone. First off, I want
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  S7: you to know you're not alone in this concern. Nobody
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  S7: has figured this out yet on the educational side, because
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  S7: it's changing so fast. And quite frankly, the students are
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  S7: moving faster than the teachers and the and the, uh,
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  S7: the the the schools are. So first thing I would
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  S7: do is acknowledge it. Um, I would acknowledge it in,
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  S7: in class sessions, um, get them to use it, uh,
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  S7: and bring those discussions back into the class. I tell you,
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  S7: on the liberal arts side, it's really interesting because you
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  S7: have writing so you can send a child, a student
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  S7: home with an assignment. They can have AI write the
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  S7: entire paper and then bring it back into class with
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  S7: math that's a little different. Um, but even the philosophy
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  S7: of math and the discussions that you're having in class
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  S7: about that. So I would start just by acknowledging it,
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  S7: using it in class, and have them have them feel
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  S7: comfortable and free enough to talk about it. Um, is
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  S7: where I would start.
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  S3: Well, what.
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  S6: About having pop quizzes where you don't have phones available?
• 18:02
  S7: Yeah. And so one one of the hottest trends right
• 18:05
  S7: now is going back to in this this may give
• 18:07
  S7: goosebumps to a lot of the listeners. It does me
• 18:10
  S7: very triggering but is is handwritten blue book assignments right.
• 18:14
  S7: Remember those blue book? Yes. Blue books are so um,
• 18:17
  S7: is a lot of teachers going back to timed in-class
• 18:20
  S7: blue book or in a lab where you don't have
• 18:23
  S7: access to the internet? Um, but boy, just that that
• 18:26
  S7: just adds another barrier to teaching. And and some students
• 18:30
  S7: don't respond well to handwritten things like that. So I
• 18:33
  S7: think having having all of those available is what's key.
• 18:37
  S7: So handwritten timed in class. Yes, but also using it
• 18:41
  S7: as part of class discussions, um, and just being open
• 18:44
  S7: to all of it, but acknowledging it upfront.
• 18:46
  S4: I love that, you know, I was trying to help
• 18:48
  S4: my son, who's in seventh grade with his math homework,
• 18:50
  S4: and I was totally stuck. He was well beyond where
• 18:53
  S4: I remember how to do math. And one thing that
• 18:55
  S4: we used AI for that I found so helpful is
• 18:58
  S4: that we did not get the answer, but it was.
• 19:00
  S4: We said, can you walk us through at a fifth
• 19:03
  S4: grade level, how to complete an algebra problem where you
• 19:06
  S4: have this an element here there's a parentheses. What do
• 19:09
  S4: we solve for first. And it gave us a step
• 19:12
  S4: by step how to guide for thinking through the problem.
• 19:15
  S4: And it unlocked immediately. We both understood which that's saying
• 19:19
  S4: something more for me than for him but immediately understood
• 19:22
  S4: exactly how to complete the problem. and I thought that
• 19:26
  S4: is really helpful.
• 19:27
  S7: That's fantastic. And actually a long time ago, like a
• 19:30
  S7: couple of months, a long time ago in AI, a
• 19:33
  S7: lot of these models weren't good at word problems, so
• 19:36
  S7: they could do two plus two, but they couldn't do okay.
• 19:39
  S7: I've got two oranges and three apples. They couldn't think
• 19:42
  S7: abstractly like that. Well, those days are gone now. We
• 19:45
  S7: have reasoning models in place that can do that. And
• 19:47
  S7: so what a great use of that exactly is, is
• 19:50
  S7: have it tell a story and walk you through the
• 19:52
  S7: steps as well. Great. Great application.
• 19:54
  S6: Go on lightning round right now 800 555 7898. Give
• 20:00
  S6: a call right now or text. We'll try to get
• 20:02
  S6: those text questions as well. 800 555 7898. This whole
• 20:08
  S6: week is ask the experts going back to the phone lines.
• 20:11
  S6: Dana Gilbert, Illinois. What's your question for Doctor Drew?
• 20:15
  S10: Yeah, my daughter got a liberal arts degree. It's been
• 20:18
  S10: about 5 or 6 years now. And you mentioned that
• 20:21
  S10: kids should go into liberal arts, which I thought was
• 20:24
  S10: crazy because I'm in the technical world. But what do
• 20:27
  S10: they do with that degree, and what kind of jobs
• 20:30
  S10: do they go after? I mean, we're talking AI, so
• 20:33
  S10: are we talking AI jobs?
• 20:35
  S3: Thank you.
• 20:36
  S7: Great question. And yeah it is. I laughed when you
• 20:39
  S7: said that because I've been through both sides of that.
• 20:42
  S7: So I've been through. Don't you dare get a degree
• 20:44
  S7: in art history. Uh, to now all of a sudden
• 20:47
  S7: I want to get a degree in art history. Uh, critical. Dana,
• 20:50
  S7: thank you for calling. Critical thinking skills is what they're
• 20:53
  S7: looking for. So if the degree is, you know, in
• 20:56
  S7: early Russian literature, it's not so much what that topic is.
• 21:00
  S7: It's it's your ability to to think critically, um, and
• 21:04
  S7: then communicate again. I go back to this interview that
• 21:07
  S7: I saw with the leaders of anthropic, um, you're going
• 21:11
  S7: to be joining whatever the kind of whatever the type
• 21:13
  S7: of company is, you're going to be joining a team
• 21:15
  S7: of other people. And so your ability to communicate in writing,
• 21:20
  S7: your ability to look other people in the eye and
• 21:23
  S7: body language and get feedback from others. So they really
• 21:26
  S7: want to see that you're able to to think and
• 21:29
  S7: and process critically. So irrespective of what the degree is
• 21:33
  S7: in that, it's it's showing your ability to, to to
• 21:37
  S7: navigate waters like that, to reason through problems. That's what
• 21:41
  S7: they're looking for because that's what's going to be missing
• 21:44
  S7: in AI. It can do a lot of the on
• 21:46
  S7: screen work for you. But as far as being able
• 21:49
  S7: to communicate and work with other humans, that's what's going
• 21:52
  S7: to be missing. So I think any, any, any kind
• 21:54
  S7: of application that you have with a company where you
• 21:57
  S7: can show that you can think and you can reason
• 21:59
  S7: through problems with other humans is going to be what's
• 22:02
  S7: valuable right now.
• 22:04
  S4: Our guest right now. Ask the expert doctor Drew Dickens
• 22:07
  S4: with all things AI. 805, 55, 78, 98. We have
• 22:12
  S4: gotten the same question, slightly different wording, multiple times on text,
• 22:16
  S4: so I want to ask it right now. It all
• 22:19
  S4: all of these questions center around how reliable is AI
• 22:22
  S4: for Bible study? Help for getting Bible answers, for helping
• 22:27
  S4: put together outlines? Should we look to AI to help
• 22:31
  S4: structure and aid our Bible study?
• 22:34
  S7: Yeah. I'm going to turn that question to how reliable
• 22:37
  S7: is your pastor? How reliable is your Sunday school teacher?
• 22:40
  S7: How reliable is anyone? And it's interesting. I don't mean
• 22:44
  S7: to be snarky with the question.
• 22:45
  S3: That's good.
• 22:46
  S7: Because we really don't spend the time asking these questions. Um,
• 22:51
  S7: and so we should ask them to everyone, even more
• 22:55
  S7: so now in this age of AI, because there's so
• 22:57
  S7: much fake information coming at us, we need to be discerning,
• 23:02
  S7: no matter who it is, a human or AI. So
• 23:04
  S7: is it reliable? Um, boy, uh, we can get into
• 23:09
  S7: so many different angles on the conversation on that. Um,
• 23:11
  S7: I would I would start by asking it, uh, how
• 23:15
  S7: reliable is it? So where are you getting this information?
• 23:18
  S7: Where are you drawing this from? If you ask it
• 23:20
  S7: a question. But we should also do the same with
• 23:22
  S7: our own study. I was in a bookstore the other day. Uh,
• 23:26
  S7: I've had this happen so many times, and I saw
• 23:28
  S7: some people looking at a Bible, and they were trying
• 23:30
  S7: to figure out which version of it to, to get,
• 23:32
  S7: and it was fun watching them because they were making
• 23:35
  S7: that decision, a decision on which Bible to use based
• 23:39
  S7: upon the size of the font. Okay, now I get it.
• 23:44
  S7: I'm 66. I'm wearing reading glasses right now, so I
• 23:47
  S7: get that. But you know, we don't spend any time
• 23:50
  S7: looking at what the translation committee, what their philosophy was
• 23:53
  S7: when they were putting this scripture together. So we need
• 23:57
  S7: to be willing to go a level deeper, especially now
• 24:01
  S7: with AI, um, with everybody that we encounter. Uh, what
• 24:05
  S7: is the data source behind this or behind that? So
• 24:08
  S7: I would I would ask, when you're prompting it to
• 24:11
  S7: put a Bible study together. Right. My wife and I were, uh,
• 24:15
  S7: doing this with the Book of Jude, which you can
• 24:17
  S7: never find a Bible study on. And so we were
• 24:20
  S7: very specific. Use this resource, use this translation. Um, ask
• 24:25
  S7: these type of questions with this kind of background. So
• 24:28
  S7: the more specific you get in asking it to put
• 24:31
  S7: together a plan, I think the more reliable it's going
• 24:33
  S7: to be.
• 24:34
  S6: Let's go back to the phone lines here. Kate in Tampa, Florida.
• 24:37
  S6: What's your question for Doctor Drew Dickens? Hello, Kate. You're
• 24:42
  S6: with us.
• 24:44
  S3: Okay. Um.
• 24:46
  S11: How do we protect our information as we ask AI questions?
• 24:51
  S11: And what database is collecting all of that information and
• 24:54
  S11: holding it? And is that a security concern?
• 24:59
  S6: Great question.
• 25:00
  S7: Fantastic question. Is it a concern? Absolutely. So on every
• 25:06
  S7: large language model out there, when you first start to
• 25:10
  S7: engage with it and create a username and they're all free,
• 25:13
  S7: they're free versions of all this. There's an opportunity for
• 25:16
  S7: you to click and unclick history. Um, so if that's
• 25:20
  S7: a concern of yours, uh, just unclick history. And that history,
• 25:24
  S7: by the way, is kept on your local system so
• 25:29
  S7: that history is kept on your laptop or your phone.
• 25:32
  S7: So it's really not going any further than that anyway. But, um,
• 25:36
  S7: if it starts to bother you, the more you talk
• 25:39
  S7: to it and it starts to say, hey, good to
• 25:40
  S7: hear from you again, Kate. We talked last week. If
• 25:43
  S7: that starts to creep you out a little bit, that's
• 25:45
  S7: the history button. So you can turn that off. The
• 25:48
  S7: advantage of having it on is just as any other, uh, entity,
• 25:53
  S7: human or otherwise, that you engage with. The more it
• 25:56
  S7: learns about you, the more it's able to customize responses
• 25:59
  S7: is the reason it's there. Now, there are pro versions
• 26:02
  S7: that are more expensive, generally around 20 or 30 upwards
• 26:05
  S7: of $200 a month. Um, and the more history it
• 26:08
  S7: has on you, the better output there's going to be. Um,
• 26:12
  S7: but you should be concerned, Kate, about that. And you
• 26:15
  S7: can just turn off history. Um, and it won't do that.
• 26:18
  S7: A lot of another button that I'm starting to see
• 26:21
  S7: more and more often is whether you give it the
• 26:23
  S7: permission to use the conversation, not to store it, but
• 26:27
  S7: to use it to train other models. Um, and so
• 26:31
  S7: what it's doing there is it's taking this vast amount
• 26:33
  S7: of data, terabytes worth of data every minute or two, um,
• 26:38
  S7: and using those conversations which have been stripped of any
• 26:42
  S7: identifying information. But it's using those conversations to train itself
• 26:46
  S7: on how to talk in the future. So you can
• 26:48
  S7: also turn that off if you don't want your, your, uh,
• 26:51
  S7: your conversation to be used in a training set. So
• 26:53
  S7: I would turn off history, uh, turn off training data
• 26:57
  S7: if that's a, if that's a concern for you.
• 27:00
  S6: Great, great content here. Questions for Doctor Drew Dickens. We're
• 27:04
  S6: doing Ask the Experts all week long. Our experts are
• 27:07
  S6: going to be with us here one hour a day.
• 27:09
  S6: We've got another 30 minutes with Doctor Drew Dickens phenomenal content.
• 27:13
  S6: I'm learning as we go along here in a big way.
• 27:16
  S6: So what do you have for Doctor Drew? 805, 55
• 27:20
  S6: 7898 800 555 7898 Tony. Right here in Illinois. What's
• 27:27
  S6: your question?
• 27:28
  S12: Hi. Yes. Thank you for taking my call. Um, so
• 27:31
  S12: I have a, I'll say, a gifted grandson. He's 16
• 27:35
  S12: years old. He's at boarding school right now, um, learning
• 27:40
  S12: multiple languages, and, um, has written beautiful poetry. But his
• 27:44
  S12: absolute love is in math. And I, when we speak, I, I,
• 27:51
  S12: I'm at a loss as to where I should direct
• 27:54
  S12: him to go with math. He loves math. But will
• 27:59
  S12: will any potential job he might go for or career
• 28:03
  S12: be eliminated. What do you say? I guess, like, how
• 28:08
  S12: would you direct him?
• 28:10
  S6: Great question.
• 28:11
  S7: Thank you. When I when I speak at schools, there's
• 28:13
  S7: always a separate breakout session for parents. And that's the
• 28:16
  S7: lead question all the time is, uh, you know what,
• 28:20
  S7: what can my what what can my, my son or
• 28:22
  S7: daughter do that will get them out of the house
• 28:25
  S7: and get a job? Um. And what what about these skills? Um,
• 28:28
  S7: I think math has always been important in the computer field.
• 28:34
  S7: Not so much being able to add up a string
• 28:36
  S7: of numbers, but just how, uh, how how math is
• 28:39
  S7: able to to illustrate how we think and process and
• 28:43
  S7: reason through problems. So I think any kind of skill
• 28:46
  S7: that he has in being able to, whether it's math or, uh, again,
• 28:50
  S7: the liberal arts, especially with math, though, for for your
• 28:53
  S7: son and Tony, thanks for calling is to, to use
• 28:56
  S7: that math in a way that shows thinking and reasoning skills. Uh,
• 29:02
  S7: so as we just talked a moment ago with the
• 29:04
  S7: other caller, um, is math word problems. Uh, you know,
• 29:08
  S7: how can I how can I get math to help
• 29:10
  S7: me through this kind of problem over here? Uh, I
• 29:13
  S7: think that kind of skill is going to be vital
• 29:15
  S7: no matter what field you go into. But as it
• 29:17
  S7: relates to AI, they're always going to be program need
• 29:21
  S7: need for programmers. Absolutely. Our son our youngest son is
• 29:24
  S7: a is a computer programmer. So there will always be
• 29:27
  S7: need for that. He and I have this conversation all
• 29:28
  S7: the time about, um, uh, a lot of these language models.
• 29:32
  S7: I'm speaking specifically of Claude code right now. Um, I
• 29:36
  S7: had it build a mobile app, which would have taken
• 29:39
  S7: months to build. I had it build it in like
• 29:41
  S7: 30 minutes. So it's ability to crank out content like
• 29:45
  S7: that is insane. But when I look at the code, um,
• 29:49
  S7: if something's not working, I need to understand why. I
• 29:51
  S7: need to be able to think, uh, uh, reasonably about
• 29:55
  S7: these and reason through the problem. So your son's always
• 29:58
  S7: going to be needed in that field? Um, for sure.
• 30:01
  S7: But I think above, just writing a line of code,
• 30:04
  S7: he needs to be able to to to teach himself
• 30:07
  S7: how to reason through problems that he encounters. And math
• 30:10
  S7: is a great, great area for that.
• 30:12
  S4: Great question Tony. If you have a question for our
• 30:15
  S4: guest expert, Doctor Drew Dickens with us until the 7:00
• 30:19
  S4: central time. So get those in by text or phone
• 30:21
  S4: call 800 555 7898. Gary, thank you for holding on
• 30:27
  S4: from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Give us your question for Doctor
• 30:29
  S4: Drew Dickens.
• 30:31
  S13: Yes. Good morning. My question is, um, you know, you
• 30:34
  S13: go online, you may be on a YouTube and you
• 30:37
  S13: hear maybe a Billy Graham or some, you know, just
• 30:40
  S13: somebody you wanted to listen to. And how do you
• 30:42
  S13: know it's not AI generated? Because I've heard about, you know,
• 30:45
  S13: people kind of generating fake stuff and it looks so real.
• 30:49
  S13: Is there AI to see that it's a fake AI?
• 30:52
  S3: Yeah.
• 30:53
  S6: Drew beyond beyond Billy Graham touting. It's good to be
• 30:56
  S6: a Buddhist. How would you know if it's fake or not?
• 31:00
  S7: Uh, what a what a great application for AI using
• 31:03
  S7: AI to detect fake AI. It's a great it's a
• 31:07
  S7: great opportunity. Let me explore that off the air. But, um,
• 31:10
  S7: Tony great question Gary. Rather great question and something we
• 31:14
  S7: all need to be discerning about. Uh, finding it in. Boy,
• 31:19
  S7: so many of the comments that you see online, some
• 31:21
  S7: of the very first comments are is this real? I
• 31:25
  S7: had a friend of mine send me a headshot of him. Uh,
• 31:28
  S7: he's interviewing, uh, to in for a law firm, and
• 31:31
  S7: he sent me the headshot of him, and it was
• 31:34
  S7: so I know what he looks like. And so my
• 31:36
  S7: very first response was, is this real? And I find
• 31:39
  S7: that that's that's leaking into so many of our conversations,
• 31:43
  S7: whether it's, you know, Billy Graham, uh, video or just
• 31:46
  S7: a headshot from someone or a news story that we're
• 31:49
  S7: reading a lot coming out right now with what's going
• 31:52
  S7: on in Iran. And we're seeing photos and they begin with,
• 31:55
  S7: are those real? So I think the very first step
• 31:57
  S7: is knowing it's okay to ask that question. There are
• 32:00
  S7: some hints, frankly, that you can look at. It used
• 32:04
  S7: to be easier. Um, you know, months ago, uh, Jim
• 32:08
  S7: and I just came out with a new image and
• 32:10
  S7: video generator. Uh, yes. Day before yesterday, uh, version two
• 32:16
  S7: of banana and, boy, I've created some videos, and I
• 32:21
  S7: can't find any telltale signs in it. Uh, so it's
• 32:25
  S7: just going to get harder. And I hate to beat
• 32:27
  S7: doom and gloom on that. It's just going to be
• 32:30
  S7: harder and harder to do that. I think it's going
• 32:32
  S7: to find our that our way into so many of
• 32:35
  S7: our conversations. So just get ready for it. But I
• 32:38
  S7: think we do need to be discerning when we're watching videos.
• 32:41
  S7: Does it pass the smell test? You kind of joked
• 32:43
  S7: about it, Carl, a second ago when you said Billy
• 32:46
  S7: Graham embracing Buddhism. But we do need to look at
• 32:48
  S7: so much of it in context. Does this story even
• 32:51
  S7: make sense? Does that image even make sense? Uh, but
• 32:54
  S7: it's going to be harder and harder to do in
• 32:56
  S7: the days and weeks hours ahead as these models continue
• 33:00
  S7: to improve?
• 33:02
  S6: Yeah. Is there a way for me to generate an Ali, uh,
• 33:06
  S6: video that she just sings the praises of her entire
• 33:09
  S6: team that she works with, just, like, over the top?
• 33:13
  S3: Absolutely.
• 33:13
  S6: That's what I'd.
• 33:14
  S7: Like to create. I'll do that right now if you're
• 33:16
  S7: on the air.
• 33:19
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• 34:36
  S6: We're going to go lightning round here. Drew what is
• 34:39
  S6: vibe coding. Coding. And what are your thoughts about it?
• 34:42
  S6: I've never heard of vibe coding. Have you heard of that?
• 34:46
  S7: So vibe coding back in the day you had used
• 34:49
  S7: to have to write a line by line code in
• 34:53
  S7: language no one could understand, but a computer Vibe is
• 34:56
  S7: simply talking to the computer. So I mentioned a moment
• 34:59
  S7: ago that I had to create a free mobile app.
• 35:01
  S7: I just I just typed in the word create a
• 35:04
  S7: free mobile app, and it does all the work behind
• 35:06
  S7: the scenes so.
• 35:07
  S3: You don't have.
• 35:07
  S7: To know any computer coding. Vibe coding is just typing
• 35:10
  S7: text and telling it what to do.
• 35:12
  S6: And it will write code.
• 35:15
  S7: Uh, off of a simple prompt that I gave it
• 35:18
  S7: it right. 18 it wrote 1800 lines of code within,
• 35:22
  S7: you know. 30s.
• 35:23
  S3: Wow.
• 35:24
  S7: Yeah.
• 35:24
  S4: Wow.
• 35:25
  S7: I don't know, I don't know, one line of code.
• 35:27
  S7: One line of code.
• 35:28
  S4: Okay. Another one that came in by text message. Sorry.
• 35:31
  S4: Didn't mean to cut you off. I'll let you finish
• 35:32
  S4: your thought there, doctor.
• 35:33
  S7: No. Go.
• 35:34
  S4: Okay.
• 35:34
  S7: No. That was.
• 35:36
  S4: Please talk about the future of healthcare with AI, both
• 35:39
  S4: from a patient perspective and also healthcare careers.
• 35:44
  S7: Yeah. Exploding right now. Uh, both from both angles. So
• 35:47
  S7: from a from a from a patient perspective. Uh, I
• 35:51
  S7: do this, uh, blood work comes in, you get an
• 35:53
  S7: email from your doctor, you don't understand and you just
• 35:57
  S7: dump that into AI. Explain this to me as a
• 36:00
  S7: third grader. What does this test result mean? I had
• 36:03
  S7: an MRI and just. I literally took the MRI image
• 36:07
  S7: and dropped it into AI, and it gave me a
• 36:09
  S7: third grade response. Took me three days to hear back
• 36:12
  S7: from the doctor. I got a response back from AI
• 36:14
  S7: within three seconds from from the doctor's perspective, opening up
• 36:19
  S7: an entire world of data that the doctor may not
• 36:22
  S7: have had access to instantly. Uh, and so in the
• 36:26
  S7: medical field, in the legal profession, it's exploding as well.
• 36:29
  S7: Same reasons. Uh, so it's really taking over a lot
• 36:33
  S7: of these, uh, kind of, uh, professional fields in areas
• 36:37
  S7: like that.
• 36:38
  S6: I dumped three pages of panels into AI.
• 36:41
  S3: Yeah.
• 36:41
  S6: And it spit out, uh, advice for how to move
• 36:45
  S6: the dial on a few general overall health was excellent,
• 36:48
  S6: but it gave me tips and advice on what to
• 36:51
  S6: do to change a few things. It's astounding the power
• 36:55
  S6: that it has. Uh. More questions. Ali, do we see
• 36:58
  S6: some via text message here?
• 37:00
  S4: Yeah. Coming up, let's tackle this one. Uh, how do
• 37:02
  S4: we protect our image and our voices from being used
• 37:06
  S4: against us in AI? This is a big one. More
• 37:09
  S4: coming up with Doctor Drew Dickens.
• 37:11
  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
• 37:15
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 37:19
  S1: curl and crew on Moody Radio right now.
• 37:22
  S4: Special guest doctor Drew Dickens, as we take your questions
• 37:25
  S4: on all things AI. This is a good one. Came
• 37:28
  S4: in by text message. How do we protect our image
• 37:30
  S4: and our voices from being used against us in AI?
• 37:34
  S7: Doctor drew so important right? Now let's go back to
• 37:38
  S7: I mentioned this a moment ago, the first two buttons
• 37:40
  S7: you're going to see when you create a user account
• 37:43
  S7: is maintain history and use this for training data. Turn
• 37:47
  S7: off both of those if that's a concern for you.
• 37:49
  S7: And it should be. but something else I'm going to
• 37:53
  S7: put it back on the user is we post so
• 37:56
  S7: much online, on Facebook and Twitter of our images. I
• 37:59
  S7: think we need to be careful of that. We've always
• 38:02
  S7: needed to be careful of that. We just don't think
• 38:03
  S7: about it and have in the past. We need to
• 38:05
  S7: think about it now. But here are pictures of my grandkids.
• 38:08
  S7: Here's pictures of them at school. We really need to
• 38:11
  S7: be careful about what we're posting because it's going to
• 38:13
  S7: be there forever. And when it is up there, anybody
• 38:16
  S7: else can take advantage of that, which is something that
• 38:19
  S7: is not being asked here, but I want to turn
• 38:21
  S7: it into this is boy, the power of scams. Right now.
• 38:25
  S7: We're hearing that every day of people that are using
• 38:28
  S7: these images to create fake scams, where you're getting a
• 38:32
  S7: phone call from from your from your grandchild or a
• 38:37
  S7: son or a daughter saying, hey, mom, help me, I'm
• 38:41
  S7: this has happened and I need you to send me money.
• 38:43
  S7: The FBI is up to its neck right now in
• 38:46
  S7: dealing with scams like this that are AI generated. Uh,
• 38:50
  S7: and I'm just shaking thinking about it, because the power
• 38:53
  S7: of AI to be able to create these images, create voices, uh,
• 38:57
  S7: that can fake an emergency phone call. One of the
• 39:00
  S7: first things they always tell you to do is come
• 39:02
  S7: up with a family safe word, um, that you can
• 39:05
  S7: verify someone. Hey, where did we go when you were
• 39:07
  S7: in third grade to vacation? Whatever. But something that AI
• 39:11
  S7: is not going to know. Um. And to protect us
• 39:15
  S7: from someone stealing our voice. Our image. Uh, it's just
• 39:20
  S7: it's really frightening. Uh, this is only going to increase.
• 39:24
  S6: Another question, doctor drew, our daughter is interested in doing
• 39:29
  S6: graphic design and photography, and we are wondering if that's
• 39:34
  S6: going to be irrelevant in the near future with the
• 39:37
  S6: rising of AI in that field.
• 39:39
  S7: So many questions about our kids and careers. Uh, and
• 39:43
  S7: I'm so sensitive to this. So generally, it's a bit
• 39:47
  S7: of a cliche, but generally it's the more time you
• 39:52
  S7: spend in front of a screen for your career, the
• 39:55
  S7: more at risk your job is. So graphic design, um, is. Yeah,
• 40:01
  S7: I would be very, very mindful of that. Uh, I'm
• 40:04
  S7: staring right now at a tool, uh, that, uh, AI generated, uh,
• 40:10
  S7: graphic design tool. Um, I can't I can't draw stick figures,
• 40:14
  S7: but I prompt, give me an image. That's this and
• 40:17
  S7: this and this and this and boom, within seconds, there
• 40:20
  S7: it is. Now is it perfect? No, but I can
• 40:22
  S7: tweak it from there. So, boy, I think graphic design. Um,
• 40:26
  S7: but I tell you one, one use of it though,
• 40:28
  S7: which I was talking to another friend, uh, this past weekend. Um, Etsy,
• 40:32
  S7: if you're familiar with that website where you can handmade
• 40:35
  S7: kind of things. One of the hottest things right now
• 40:38
  S7: is the label made by human. And so I think
• 40:42
  S7: for your daughter to be able to create a hand, hand-painted, hand-drawn,
• 40:49
  S7: hand created, uh, kind of items. Those are becoming increasingly
• 40:55
  S7: increasing in value like we've never seen before. So I
• 40:58
  S7: think that kind of work is going to be really,
• 41:00
  S7: really popular and growing in value and desire. But anything
• 41:06
  S7: you can do on your computer, uh, I think is
• 41:09
  S7: going to be at increasing risk. Anything I can look
• 41:12
  S7: at on a screen is going to be at risk.
• 41:15
  S6: Taking your questions for Doctor Drew Dickens right now.
• 41:18
  S4: 800 555 7898. Uh, this is from someone who said,
• 41:23
  S4: full disclosure. I asked AI what question I should ask
• 41:26
  S4: Doctor Drew Dickens. This is what it came up with.
• 41:30
  S4: What would be your advice for leaders who are overwhelmed
• 41:33
  S4: by the speed of AI development in their organizations? Is
• 41:36
  S4: it even possible to keep guardrails in place while we
• 41:39
  S4: are in an AI race?
• 41:42
  S7: To what advice? I'm typing a question into AI to
• 41:47
  S7: see what it tells me to say. No, I'm not
• 41:49
  S7: going to do that.
• 41:50
  S4: This gets crazy.
• 41:52
  S7: Yeah, the caller and I just aren't needed anymore. They
• 41:55
  S7: just have AI's talk to each other, which I've done that,
• 41:57
  S7: by the way. Um, so the advice to leaders on
• 42:01
  S7: how to, um, so what was that question?
• 42:03
  S3: Yeah.
• 42:04
  S4: Leaders who are overwhelmed by the speed of AI development
• 42:07
  S4: in their organizations.
• 42:08
  S7: What I think how.
• 42:09
  S4: To keep guardrails in place.
• 42:10
  S7: Okay, absolutely. Guardrails is a great topic right now. But, um,
• 42:14
  S7: because we're seeing them drop by the wayside every day, uh,
• 42:17
  S7: it's another another issue about Claude and Anthropic right now
• 42:21
  S7: and OpenAI dropping guardrails that they had set in place
• 42:24
  S7: in order to now start working with the US military.
• 42:27
  S7: Who doesn't want guardrails? Um, but anyway, so back to
• 42:30
  S7: the corporate leaders. Um, I would I would start by
• 42:33
  S7: acknowledging at AI and that's, that's going to sound obvious
• 42:35
  S7: on this call because these callers are interested in it.
• 42:38
  S7: A lot of people just don't want to talk about it.
• 42:40
  S7: So I think the first thing I would do is
• 42:41
  S7: as a corporate leader is to acknowledge it, put a
• 42:44
  S7: committee together. There's a hilarious organization I've been talking to recently,
• 42:48
  S7: consulting with and they call it the, um, the Committee
• 42:51
  S7: of the willing. Uh, so put start putting teams together
• 42:55
  S7: that are, uh, willing and able to put these topics
• 42:59
  S7: on the table and include HR include manufacturing include whatever.
• 43:03
  S7: But just start the conversation is where I would begin.
• 43:07
  S7: And we joked about it a minute ago. But ask AI,
• 43:10
  S7: you know, here are our policies. Uh, what are some
• 43:13
  S7: barriers that we might be hitting with AI? What are
• 43:15
  S7: some topics that we might, uh, need to discuss uh,
• 43:19
  S7: sooner than later? Uh, so, yeah, leverage AI to ask
• 43:22
  S7: those questions to it as well. But I would start
• 43:24
  S7: by just putting it on the table. And then, as
• 43:26
  S7: we mentioned a moment ago, too, is all these language
• 43:29
  S7: labs now have free, um, lab. That's another word for
• 43:33
  S7: these language models. But these labs have free offerings on courses.
• 43:36
  S7: You can take. Universities have free courses you can take
• 43:39
  S7: on on each of these models and, and so take
• 43:43
  S7: those as well. Um, and start listening to some podcasts. Uh,
• 43:47
  S7: blatant uh, plug there on how to stay in because
• 43:51
  S7: it moves so fast. Keep, keep listening to Carl and crew, uh,
• 43:55
  S7: because it moves so fast is, uh, just to be
• 43:58
  S7: intentional on how to stay in front of the curve.
• 44:00
  S3: Yeah.
• 44:00
  S6: You want to get node up and stay node up.
• 44:03
  S6: Get this link text drew to 800 555 7898. Drew
• 44:08
  S6: to 800 555 7898. Ask the experts all week long.
• 44:14
  S6: We are rolling Drew's first one out of the shoot
• 44:17
  S6: here this morning. Going back to the phone lines, Paul,
• 44:20
  S6: Elk Grove Village, Illinois. What's your question?
• 44:24
  S15: Yeah. Good morning all. I watched a program last night
• 44:27
  S15: with three experts on AI and they mentioned that right. Today,
• 44:32
  S15: AI is as smart as any PhD in any field
• 44:36
  S15: around the whole world. And they also mentioned that AI singularity.
• 44:42
  S15: We are on the threshold of that, and by 2027,
• 44:45
  S15: AI will be in AI singularity. What is AI singularity?
• 44:51
  S7: Okay, so there are two two parts of the question.
• 44:54
  S7: The first one is this test they're referring to. There's
• 44:57
  S7: a test called the HL human humanity's last exam. So
• 45:01
  S7: imagine this as an SAT test, right? Uh, there are
• 45:05
  S7: 100 different fields of study. Uh, in this exam, um,
• 45:10
  S7: and each field has 250 questions in it. Um, supposedly
• 45:16
  S7: a PhD in the in their level, in their field
• 45:19
  S7: can the average response is around 80, 85% success rate
• 45:24
  S7: in their field. Um, and but there are 100 fields
• 45:28
  S7: in this test. Uh, and the last week, uh, Jim
• 45:32
  S7: and I, which is Google's, uh, language model, um, it
• 45:36
  S7: it hit 60% across all 100. So, uh, that's what
• 45:41
  S7: that's the test that they're referring to. It's the the
• 45:44
  S7: whole test is they're referring to. And yes, it's as
• 45:47
  S7: smart as PhD level across all 100 of these fields.
• 45:52
  S7: And a field being biology, chemistry, math, so on and
• 45:55
  S7: so forth. So that's the test they're referring to. And yes.
• 45:58
  S7: So as far as singularity. Ray Kurzweil is the author
• 46:01
  S7: of this book that was written, uh, 30 years ago
• 46:04
  S7: that he wrote called, uh, The singularity. Singularity is, uh,
• 46:10
  S7: another term for it is artificial general intelligence or AGI. Also,
• 46:15
  S7: they use the term asi artificial um. Superintelligence. So singularity
• 46:22
  S7: is that moment where it becomes smarter. And I'll do
• 46:26
  S7: air quotes there. It becomes super intelligent, smarter than any
• 46:30
  S7: human on on earth. Um, and.
• 46:33
  S3: 30s.
• 46:34
  S6: Here drew Just a heads up. 30s.
• 46:36
  S7: Yeah. Is. So, uh. So a or singularity is when
• 46:40
  S7: we pass that level of, uh, of capability.
• 46:44
  S3: Okay.
• 46:46
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