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More Debate on the Quote "Nostalgia is simply a longing for a time we know we can survive" · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 83 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So, like we hinted at last episode, we will do the word nostalgia as our word or phrase of this episode.
• 0:44
  I Hate Talking: So, perhaps you would like to quickly recap your particular quote by that gentleman that wrote plays and was associated to How I Met Your Mother.
• 0:55
  I Hate Talking: Not associated to How I Met Your Mother, but I guess just associated to the gentleman that played Ted in How I Met Your Mother.
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so, the gentleman who played Ted was in a play previously before How I Met Your Mother, and he quoted the playwriter, Richard Greenberg, that said, nostalgia is just a longing for a time we know we can survive.
• 1:21
  I Hate Talking: And I still staunchly hold the position that this is patently false.
• 1:26
  I Hate Talking: What are your thoughts?
• 1:28
  I Hate Talking: Have you changed your mind at all, or are you still like this quote?
• 1:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I fully agree with it still.
• 1:33
  I Hate Talking: OK, cause it's the whole reason.
• 1:35
  I Hate Talking: OK, we're going into it or not?
• 1:37
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think we should perhaps define nostalgia and research the etymology before we continue on this debate on this particular quote or just nostalgia in general.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: OK, OK, so from our favorite Oxford language dictionary.
• 1:56
  I Hate Talking: Nostalgia is defined as a noun, a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
• 2:09
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah.
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: I feel like that's reiterating my point or his point.
• 2:16
  I Hate Talking: So go on.
• 2:18
  I Hate Talking: And this comes from the Greek for nostros and algos, and nostros is actually meaning home or returning home.
• 2:31
  I Hate Talking: Algos is actually for pain.
• 2:33
  I Hate Talking: So, the literal interpretation of Nostros algos is homesickness, so that then became used in terms of nostalgia or longing for home, essentially.
• 2:51
  I Hate Talking: Mhm, OK.
• 2:52
  I Hate Talking: Now it's interesting to note that nostalgia has increased in frequency over the past 50 years or so and seems to be at its peak almost within the last 5 or 6 years, it seems.
• 3:08
  I Hate Talking: And I guess there's really only one definition.
• 3:11
  I Hate Talking: Let's check Merriam-Webster's real quick.
• 3:13
  I Hate Talking: It has a very similar definition for number one, a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for a return to or of some past period.
• 3:21
  I Hate Talking: Or irrecoverable condition.
• 3:24
  I Hate Talking: 2, the state of being homesick.
• 3:26
  I Hate Talking: So, that is the literal meaning of nostros and algos.
• 3:32
  I Hate Talking: Nostalgia.
• 3:34
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah, I mean, I think that still further shows my interpretation of the quote, because when you think about your past, Like, take our little kids, like when they were babies or little toddlers.
• 3:48
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, oh, those were such sweet times.
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: And then I look at like the difficulties we have now with them as they're like preteens.
• 3:57
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, oh, this is challenging.
• 3:59
  I Hate Talking: But when they were toddlers, I remember being challenging also.
• 4:03
  I Hate Talking: But now all I remember is like, oh, they were so cute.
• 4:06
  I Hate Talking: Remember when they used to blah blah blah.
• 4:09
  I Hate Talking: And, but we've survived that, we've gone through that phase.
• 4:14
  I Hate Talking: This phase, I mean, I'm sure we will survive also, but We don't have proof that we will.
• 4:21
  I Hate Talking: So I think it's like nostalgic of remembering back and being like, oh, that was easier.
• 4:26
  I Hate Talking: That was a good time.
• 4:28
  I Hate Talking: Because we got through it.
• 4:29
  I Hate Talking: But it wasn't a good time because you got through it.
• 4:33
  I Hate Talking: It was a good time in spite of getting through it.
• 4:36
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 4:37
  I Hate Talking: Because it's only a good time if you get through it.
• 4:41
  I Hate Talking: Well, what if it's a bad time and you get through the bad times, -- then -- you didn't get through it and -- you survived -- it.
• 4:47
  I Hate Talking: You survived the bad times.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: Why would you long for bad times that you simply survived?
• 4:52
  I Hate Talking: Because you know you could get through him still.
• 4:54
  I Hate Talking: But you don't have affection for those memories.
• 5:00
  I Hate Talking: You don't, aren't wistful for the time that you barely survived.
• 5:04
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, what about labor?
• 5:07
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you hate that.
• 5:09
  I Hate Talking: I don't though.
• 5:11
  I Hate Talking: I always tell people how much I love labor.
• 5:13
  I Hate Talking: Well, I was there and I was a witness and Many times you've told me afterwards, don't ever let me do this again and then like a week or two later you're like, oh, that was the best time of my life.
• 5:25
  I Hate Talking: No, it was not.
• 5:27
  I Hate Talking: See, that's it.
• 5:30
  I Hate Talking: It was, I can logically, like academically.
• 5:34
  I Hate Talking: Put myself in that position, be like, oh, I can state facts of how hard that was.
• 5:39
  I Hate Talking: But when I look back at it, I'm like, oh, that was so amazing and it was so great.
• 5:44
  I Hate Talking: So, I don't know, I'll just pick a childhood experience somewhat at random, but there was a time that I walked into a concrete wall and chipped my tooth and had to be quote unquote, rushed, at least felt like it to me as a small child to an emergency dentist appointment to reconstruct my tooth.
• 6:08
  I Hate Talking: I survived that.
• 6:09
  I Hate Talking: I have no nostalgia about that moment.
• 6:13
  I Hate Talking: I do not wish to experience that again.
• 6:16
  I Hate Talking: I do not have any particular wistful appreciation or homesickness to experience that event again.
• 6:25
  I Hate Talking: I survived it, but I certainly am not nostalgic for it.
• 6:28
  I Hate Talking: Right, OK, I get that.
• 6:29
  I Hate Talking: I think we're, we're miscommunicating then.
• 6:32
  I Hate Talking: I think I figured out how we're on different tracks, because I'm not arguing that everything in the past is nostalgic.
• 6:39
  I Hate Talking: I'm just arguing that when you pick out your memories of nostalgia, yes, so maybe they could be good times, but it was also incorporated bad times and you survived them, both good and bad.
• 6:52
  I Hate Talking: So good and bad things happen at the same time, for everything, always, every day.
• 6:58
  I Hate Talking: So I'm not arguing that every single moment of your life.
• 7:02
  I Hate Talking: is nostalgic.
• 7:04
  I Hate Talking: I'm just arguing that when you look back, And you are nostalgic at certain things, it's not as rosy and amazing as we feel like it is.
• 7:16
  I Hate Talking: Again, you can logically pick out bad parts of everything.
• 7:20
  I Hate Talking: But you don't think about that part, cause you survived it and moved on, and you think of the good stuff.
• 7:27
  I Hate Talking: I don't think everything's nostalgic.
• 7:30
  I Hate Talking: Do you?
• 7:30
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- read the quote again.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: And again, this is me quoting a podcaster quoting his playwriter, so it might not even be exact words, but what I wrote down was, nostalgia is just a longing for a time we know we can survive.
• 7:50
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I still am not on the same wavelength as this particular playwright because up until this point, for all intents and purposes, you've survived everything.
• 8:01
  I Hate Talking: And therefore, you would be nostalgic for everything.
• 8:04
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps I'm taking too literal of an interpretation of this and seeing it in too much numerical and black and white that I'm reading into the quote, but to put it on the extreme, That means that something that you're not nostalgic for is something you didn't survive, if you use categorical references for these particular events of either surviving or not surviving.
• 8:32
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't know.
• 8:34
  I Hate Talking: I think you're just taking it too literal, because I think the reason I liked it.
• 8:38
  I Hate Talking: was pointing out that there's highs and lows, and you just ignore those highs and lows.
• 8:44
  I Hate Talking: Like when I look back, there was a time in our life we had 3 boys, 3 and under.
• 8:50
  I Hate Talking: And 3 boys in 3 years was intense, and people are like, wow, how'd you survive that?
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: That's crazy.
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, that was the happiest time of my life.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: But I remember that it was hard, you know, but I am nostalgic for those times.
• 9:07
  I Hate Talking: And now having 3 boys that close in age that are getting older, I'm like, oh, this is hard stuff going on.
• 9:14
  I Hate Talking: I wish I could go back to when they were tiny little babies, because I knew how to deal with that.
• 9:19
  I Hate Talking: I didn't at that time, I figured it out, but now I know.
• 9:23
  I Hate Talking: I, so I think it's, you're taking a very literal, and it's OK if you don't like the quote, but I like it because it's just perspective.
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: Every time you do something, Like even take 2020 and COVID.
• 9:37
  I Hate Talking: They were really good things, and they're really bad things too, but there were really good things about that time, about that year.
• 9:43
  I Hate Talking: And during that time, when you're in the middle of it, that wasn't nostalgia, that was survival.
• 9:51
  I Hate Talking: And now looking back, we can pinpoint like, oh, remember that was really awesome, that thing happened and that was really cool.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: But when you're in the middle of it, it was scary when like, we didn't have toilet paper, we didn't have groceries.
• 10:05
  I Hate Talking: But now that we do have them.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: It doesn't seem as scary anymore.
• 10:10
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 10:12
  I Hate Talking: I am not nostalgic for 2020.
• 10:14
  I Hate Talking: There are certain things that maybe I would point out as high points or whatever, but I suppose that I don't necessarily disassociate all the chaos and uncertainty from Those particular high points.
• 10:34
  I Hate Talking: So whenever I think of 2020.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: Sure, there was less traffic on the road for those of us that still had to go into work, but I would not be able to, in my mind, disassociate that from all the things that were going on in the world.
• 10:52
  I Hate Talking: So I'm not nostalgic for that time period because I see it all as a package deal.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: But what if we relive 2020, or another pandemic that we don't know about?
• 11:05
  I Hate Talking: What would you do?
• 11:07
  I Hate Talking: Would you relive that year, or would you rather do a different crisis?
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: Well, a different crisis or a different pandemic?
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: pandemic and I can retain all the memories about the previous pandemic, yeah, then categorically, yes, I would choose the new one.
• 11:23
  I Hate Talking: You would choose the new one, yeah, because I've already have a lot of learnings.
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: Or are you saying that I can just magically go back in time and have all my knowledge about 2020 and live through it again, right?
• 11:33
  I Hate Talking: And make different decisions Yeah.
• 11:37
  I Hate Talking: I guess that because then you have like a superpower, but Well, that's the way I think it is.
• 11:44
  I Hate Talking: It's like, because your, your memories sort of are a superpower, right?
• 11:48
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I guess if you go back in time and are able to change past events.
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: Now we're way off in.
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: Imaginary land So I don't think nostalgia would apply to 2020.
• 12:03
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 12:04
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if we still agree with what nostalgia is though.
• 12:08
  I Hate Talking: So It's interesting to note, as I was reflecting on nostalgia for preparation for this episode, is that I personally don't think I am nostalgic for anything in my adult life.
• 12:24
  I Hate Talking: I think I am only nostalgic for my childhood.
• 12:28
  I Hate Talking: Why do you think that is?
• 12:30
  I Hate Talking: Mm, I don't know.
• 12:32
  I Hate Talking: I've not come to any particular conclusions.
• 12:34
  I Hate Talking: If I had to guess and give an answer, I would say probably because of the quote unquote lack of responsibility as a child.
• 12:42
  I Hate Talking: That those were To use the turn of phrase, simpler times.
• 12:49
  I Hate Talking: And did not have as many adult responsibilities and therefore, That is something that I am wistfully attracted to and long for.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: Again, and maybe we don't agree on the word nostalgic, but what about, aren't there times as an adult, like a holiday, a certain food, a certain vacation, that you look forward to, or you look back on fondly whenever you live.
• 13:18
  I Hate Talking: The ones that come to mind in my adult life are ones that have been recreated from childhood memories and experiences.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: That's not, I mean, yeah, OK, I'm not trying to tell you what you think.
• 13:31
  I Hate Talking: So you would never, you don't look back fondly at the Granuela.
• 13:35
  I Hate Talking: I look back fondly at it, but it's not a nostalgic thing.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: -- Why -- not?
• 13:40
  I Hate Talking: Cause I don't want to consider that home.
• 13:43
  I Hate Talking: So home is your family as a child.
• 13:47
  I Hate Talking: I think so, yes.
• 13:49
  I Hate Talking: See, I associate nostalgia with more of like a homecoming.
• 13:55
  I Hate Talking: Not necessarily just a good memory.
• 13:58
  I Hate Talking: Like so much that To use the literal meaning of nostalgia that you are sick with the desire of that time period.
• 14:08
  I Hate Talking: Right, so would you in your head say that your kids will be nostalgic for this home or our traditions?
• 14:16
  I Hate Talking: But you do not share that nostalgia with them.
• 14:20
  I Hate Talking: It's quite possible, or maybe they'll have your interpretation of the nostalgia where it can be simply a time that you survived and only the good parts of an experience that has both low and high points, but that is not how I see nostalgia.
• 14:34
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, I, in 20 years, I wanna relive this with you because I think you're gonna be nostalgic for like our kids being little.
• 14:44
  I Hate Talking: And then our grandkids are gonna come over and you're gonna be like, oh, remember when I used to wrestle, let's get out the mats and now I'm gonna wrestle with them.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that is quite possible, but that is all theory and I'm trying to grasp for a moment since My 13th birthday that I would consider as like a nostalgic moment.
• 15:07
  I Hate Talking: I can't really think of one where it sort of engenders the emotional feeling of something from my childhood.
• 15:16
  I Hate Talking: It doesn't have to be from your childhood.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: No, it does not, and I guess nostalgia does not patently need to be from childhood, but That is how I personally experienced nostalgia.
• 15:26
  I Hate Talking: And then that could also be a reason that we don't align on this particular quote or interpret it the same way.
• 15:34
  I Hate Talking: Right, cause kids survive everything they don't know, they just run out and the bus doesn't hit them and They're oblivious.
• 15:41
  I Hate Talking: Well, if you survive the bus hitting you, then you'll be nostalgic for that moment that the bus hit you.
• 15:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, unless you don't know the bus almost hit.
• 15:48
  I Hate Talking: That's what I'm saying.
• 15:50
  I Hate Talking: The bus, you don't know, a kid doesn't know that they almost got hit.
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: Their parents like having a heart attack, right?
• 15:57
  I Hate Talking: Or they actually get hit by the bus, survive, and then they wish they could go back to that moment because they're nostalgic for that moment that they survived.
• 16:04
  I Hate Talking: So I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this quote is that if you survive something that you would want to wish to experience it again.
• 16:11
  I Hate Talking: I think the argument is that you survive everything you have a memory of.
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: Well, I suppose so.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: He probably even survived things you don't have memories of.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but you're not nostalgic for those.
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: Because you don't have a memory of it.
• 16:23
  I Hate Talking: How can you be?
• 16:25
  I Hate Talking: Because you survived Yeah, but he's saying that the deeper point of his quote that I think he's making.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: The deeper point I take from it.
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: Is that When you're like, oh, like, let's think of Christmas.
• 16:43
  I Hate Talking: Christmas is coming up.
• 16:44
  I Hate Talking: It doesn't have to be perfect.
• 16:47
  I Hate Talking: You don't have to have a billion presents under the tree, cookies every night, everything perfectly done.
• 16:53
  I Hate Talking: To be nostalgic for that day and that holiday.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: It's a living experience that you look back and you go, oh, that was a good time.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: Old people, other people always look back at the good times, are always the past.
• 17:09
  I Hate Talking: They never, there's an office quote, right?
• 17:12
  I Hate Talking: Where Andy's like, I wish you knew you were living in the good times when you were living in them.
• 17:18
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 17:19
  I Hate Talking: And so I think that's the point is life every day is hard, and you just keep going, but when you look back, you're like, oh, actually, maybe that wasn't as hard, or look, I survived, that's awesome.
• 17:31
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, but not getting to the same conclusion.
• 17:37
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, I think I'm sad for you.
• 17:40
  I Hate Talking: Let's talk about this, that you're not nostalgic for anything in the last 25, 30 years, because But let me clarify, I do have good memories and highlights and low points as well, but Very good memories throughout those 30 years, but not necessarily something that I wish I could return home to or wistfully have an emotional effect from.
• 18:07
  I Hate Talking: I think that's, I don't know, you don't think that's sad?
• 18:10
  I Hate Talking: What am I doing wrong?
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: That doesn't allow you then.
• 18:14
  I Hate Talking: To have an emotional moment about our lives ever.
• 18:20
  I Hate Talking: See, I think we're all still conflating.
• 18:23
  I Hate Talking: Emotional, happy memories with.
• 18:26
  I Hate Talking: Like this homesickness, nostalgia idea.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: Because I think nostalgia is more narrowly defined than just a happy memory.
• 18:35
  I Hate Talking: Do we need to read Oxford language again?
• 18:38
  I Hate Talking: Sure, you can look it up, and in the process of that, I wanna hear your top three best, like, obviously not in detail, but your top three memories that come to your mind instantly in life, like your highlight reel, the three best things go.
• 18:53
  I Hate Talking: The 3 best things that I'm nostalgic for, -- or -- like, no, just like your 3 best memories that pop in your head instantly.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: You're taking too long.
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: Go.
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: Uh, eating Swedish fish at the laundromat, OK.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: Having Thanksgiving dinner with see you again it would be as a child with like aunts and uncles and parents and siblings, OK.
• 19:17
  I Hate Talking: That's 2.
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: I mean, the Grand Wala was good.
• 19:22
  I Hate Talking: That one you probably already have preprogrammed into me since you mentioned that earlier, but now that's 1.
• 19:28
  I Hate Talking: OK, I in no way am I trying to diminish your childhood because I'm glad you have such great memories, but I wonder if you're almost, uh, this sounds harsh, so don't take it the way it sounds.
• 19:40
  I Hate Talking: Almost wasting your adult life then.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: The only great memories you have.
• 19:47
  I Hate Talking: are below the age of 13.
• 19:49
  I Hate Talking: You're putting words in my mouth.
• 19:52
  I Hate Talking: I'm not saying great memories.
• 19:54
  I Hate Talking: I'm saying nostalgia.
• 19:56
  I Hate Talking: No, but I asked you what your three best memories were.
• 19:58
  I Hate Talking: Go, and that's OK if they're 2 were childhood, you know, that's fine, but I'm just saying like if those are the best memories.
• 20:07
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, maybe we should do something different that have your adult life have good memories.
• 20:12
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 20:12
  I Hate Talking: So what are your top 3 then?
• 20:15
  I Hate Talking: The Grand Vela, Mexico, when we were in La Paz and the birth of our first kid.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: Those are good.
• 20:26
  I Hate Talking: For sure, on top, like, boom, boom, boom.
• 20:29
  I Hate Talking: This all ask even happened in the same two-year period, maybe, 3-year period.
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: I guess 3 years That was a good 3 years.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: So just to review the definition, a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: So are you putting a lot of emphasis on the place then?
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: Period and place, yes.
• 20:57
  I Hate Talking: Or a period you're saying like it has to be a year or a season or I think it could be like a day, an event.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: No, it's a period.
• 21:08
  I Hate Talking: This is a, see again, maybe this is also a nuance is that it is not a single day.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: A period of time is typically an indeterminate extended length of time.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: Well, we have to define period and uh.
• 21:27
  I Hate Talking: While we do that, I guess so while we do that.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: Have we talked about our La Paz trip yet on here?
• 21:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: OK, so just to recap it, because again this was amazing and this totally should be nostalgia because we survived it.
• 21:44
  I Hate Talking: We were young, early 20s, and went to Cabo on vacation, and then you decided you wanted to go to La Paz.
• 21:52
  I Hate Talking: You wanted to rent a car and drive to La Paz.
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: That was what, maybe 23 hour drive from the resort.
• 21:57
  I Hate Talking: We stayed at a hotel there.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: Are we going into this?
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: I thought we were trying to figure out what a period is.
• 22:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I'm giving this while you're looking at that.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: I had it.
• 22:06
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I'm ready.
• 22:06
  I Hate Talking: No, but I'm further emphasizing why Lapaz is a period of time, and then you can prove me wrong if you think so from your research.
• 22:15
  I Hate Talking: And we stayed at a hotel there.
• 22:18
  I Hate Talking: We wanted to go snorkeling.
• 22:20
  I Hate Talking: The front desk guy was like, hey, my cousin owns a boat and he does snorkeling.
• 22:25
  I Hate Talking: Great, here's a bunch of money, come pick us up at 8 AM And so we come out, he's not there.
• 22:34
  I Hate Talking: We asked the front desk guy in the morning, and he's like, you gave him money, right, he's like, did he give you a receipt?
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: Like, no.
• 22:41
  I Hate Talking: He's like, oh my gosh, you could just tell he was like stupid white people.
• 22:44
  I Hate Talking: So eventually the guy shows up.
• 22:48
  I Hate Talking: And we get on the boat.
• 22:51
  I Hate Talking: The police come over we're on the boat about to take off and talk to him.
• 22:56
  I Hate Talking: We don't know what they're saying in Spanish, so we're sitting there and they're pointing to us and we're like, uh oh, what's happening?
• 23:03
  I Hate Talking: The police leave and they go on another boat.
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: The boat driver that we're with is like, I'm gonna go get some teaccate.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: I'll be back.
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: So we're still sitting there waiting.
• 23:12
  I Hate Talking: Like that was weird.
• 23:13
  I Hate Talking: In the meantime, the police come back with the man arrested on another boat.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: Then we're like, what happened?
• 23:20
  I Hate Talking: So apparently the police wanted to commandeer our boat to go arrest this person.
• 23:24
  I Hate Talking: And he wouldn't let them because we were foreigners and so yada yada.
• 23:29
  I Hate Talking: And then we go out, kayak, we see like stingrays, we're kayaking with sea lions, we finally are like, we're done, let's get on the boat.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: Seconds later, your foot, I got in first, your foot was barely in the boat when a whole bunch of killer whales came by for lunch.
• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: And I'm sure we would have been safe, but we could have gotten injured in the process of, um, their meeting the sea lions, and then we just spent the next hour watching and following the killer whales, and it was the best time and we get home and the dolphins are jumping around our boat and playing with us.
• 24:06
  I Hate Talking: And it was just like the coolest, amazing day of all these things that could have gone wrong, and they didn't, and To me, that might be the best day of my life.
• 24:17
  I Hate Talking: I think it was just, I would never do it again.
• 24:20
  I Hate Talking: Now we have to be mature and responsible.
• 24:23
  I Hate Talking: Back then we had no family, no kids or anything.
• 24:26
  I Hate Talking: And it's definitely one of those that could have been bad, but it was also amazing.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: So that's what I think of, I think of nostalgia, something like that.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: And I consider La Paz a period of time in our life when we could be carefree like that, like, sure, we'll get in this boat with a stranger we don't know and don't speak the same language with.
• 24:50
  I Hate Talking: And as a period of time, we would not do now.
• 24:55
  I Hate Talking: So go.
• 24:57
  I Hate Talking: OK, so.
• 24:57
  I Hate Talking: So, period as defined by Oxford Language Dictionary is first defined as a length or portion of time.
• 25:08
  I Hate Talking: It gives some sub-definitions that describe a portion of time in the life of a nation, civilization, characterized by the same prevalent features or conditions, a major division of geological time that is a subdivision of an era.
• 25:24
  I Hate Talking: And itself subdivided into epochs.
• 25:26
  I Hate Talking: So, the example given here is the Cretaceous period.
• 25:30
  I Hate Talking: So these are not small portions of time, these are extended periods of time that are being described by Nostalgia with the period or place being that longer period of time, and the etymology even is in reference to an orbit, so para around and hodos, which is meaning way or course that the original use of parados was orbit, so, things in the planetary system orbiting around the sun or moons around planets.
• 26:08
  I Hate Talking: That these are long things.
• 26:12
  I Hate Talking: How do you know it's long?
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: You're adding that word in, right?
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: You're just assuming because if it's a planet orbiting.
• 26:19
  I Hate Talking: That's how they used it in the original, yes.
• 26:22
  I Hate Talking: Planet orbiting or the word long?
• 26:25
  I Hate Talking: Planet orbiting.
• 26:27
  I Hate Talking: OK, I'm just saying that I think you're adding a little bit of your life.
• 26:30
  I Hate Talking: Well, it takes more than a day or a second.
• 26:34
  I Hate Talking: Maybe you're questioning planetary science now.
• 26:39
  I Hate Talking: Some planets travel quick.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: What planet and what sun are you talking about?
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: I think Mercury still takes 78 days to orbit the sun, right?
• 26:49
  I Hate Talking: That's the fastest one.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: What about the moon orbiting the Earth?
• 26:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, the moon orbits the Earth.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: I don't know the period for the moon orbiting the Earth.
• 26:59
  I Hate Talking: 27 days.
• 27:01
  I Hate Talking: I should have known that, it's basically 28 days, but 27 Earth days.
• 27:06
  I Hate Talking: From our perspective, it appears to orbit every 29 days, the lunar month.
• 27:10
  I Hate Talking: OK, so I don't think we're gonna agree on this, and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
• 27:15
  I Hate Talking: But I really think I'd like you, can I give you like a task?
• 27:23
  I Hate Talking: See, I think that's part of the problem is my nostalgia is associated with times of not having tasks and responsibilities.
• 27:30
  I Hate Talking: But I want you to find times now that you will be nostalgic for.
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: Create some now that you're gonna look back on fondly later.
• 27:39
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but we have, even in your own words, no ability to create those ourselves.
• 27:44
  I Hate Talking: You can be open and willing to.
• 27:47
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's true.
• 27:49
  I Hate Talking: Like what if you're like, I'm gonna have a great day today.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: Or maybe it's just that AI will survive.
• 27:57
  I Hate Talking: And then you look back on it and enjoy it.
• 28:00
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so.
• 28:02
  I Hate Talking: Sorry, I'm still poking fun at this particular quote.
• 28:06
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 28:06
  I Hate Talking: That's OK if you don't like the quote.
• 28:09
  I Hate Talking: I still like it, but it's not like you have to like it.
• 28:11
  I Hate Talking: But I just wanna figure out ways that make you enjoy.
• 28:17
  I Hate Talking: And look back fondly at the life you're living.
• 28:20
  I Hate Talking: I don't think your life peaked at 13, is what I'm saying.
• 28:23
  I Hate Talking: What if it did though?
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: Oh, that's a sad life.
• 28:27
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps I think this also goes back to Our fundamental differences on the purpose of life.
• 28:34
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, maybe.
• 28:36
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe that's something we can get into next time, so.
• 28:41
  I Hate Talking: An interesting conversation, perhaps lots for me to personally reflect on.
• 28:46
  I Hate Talking: Less so for you, I suppose.
• 28:49
  I Hate Talking: No, I'll keep reflecting on it.
• 28:51
  I Hate Talking: I think I think I'm just walking away a little sad for you.
• 28:55
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 28:57
  I Hate Talking: Well, you, our listeners will have to let us know if you feel sad for me too, or if you tend to agree or disagree with any of the particular thoughts on nostalgia.
• 29:08
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 29:08
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.