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Coming up... Wait, so are we all agreeing that
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mimics are tied to time, past, present, and future?
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Just because of this one conversation, my whole
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thoughts on paranormal activity and ghosts and
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everything is slightly shifting, and I don't
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like that. So, we've played Tag and Hide and
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Seek and Ring Around the Rosie with a ghost.
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Have you ever played Simon Says with a ghost?
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I think it's a strong possibility. Before this
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podcast, before we started recording this episode,
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I would have never thought of it. That was fun.
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That was really fun. The Estus method, and you
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were asking like... And rods. And the dowsing
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rods at the same time, yes. And using both devices,
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trying to have the spirit pick an object and
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see if through Estus... and the rods separately
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both people can have a certain item be identified
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in the room and it worked but simon says yes
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it was but simon says is where you do something
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and invite the spirit or usually with a person
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but in this case it would be with this spirit
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you invite them to copy you to do the same thing
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if i if i say simon says raise your right hand
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and in the spirit raises her right hand, you
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would then be playing Simon Says with a ghost.
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We haven't played Simon Says, but... Yeah. We've
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had some unconsensual copying. Mimicking. Unconsensual.
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Unconsensual. What did you say, Angela? Unconventional?
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That was unconventional. I didn't give you convention.
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Unconventional. You guys know. I have issues
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with words sometimes. You could have just ended
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it as I have issues. The fact Brianna admits
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that I also have issues and she doesn't like
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me. We all have issues, okay? It's not a bad
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thing. No. We go ghost hunting. The ghosts! The
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ghosts! um no we've had mimics happen and i guess
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the point of that little weird intro about simon
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says was none of the instances where all of us
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have been mimicked before in no instance have
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we said hey ghost can you mimic us it was always
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just out of the blue out of the blue yeah suddenly
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we're talking to what ourselves What is a mimic?
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Is it us? Is there a one singular... Is it us
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in the future? That's a good theory. Is it us
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in the past? That's another good theory. I'm
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thinking this is the whole thing with the hat
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man. Is it one singular mimic? Is it us? Is it
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just a type of haunting? Is it a phenomena that
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any spirit can do? Yeah, so that's a topic, so
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yeah, let's talk about it. Hell yeah! Simon says
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let's get this topic started. Welcome to our
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podcast, where we take deep dives looking at
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various topics through a paranormal lens. So,
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to set the scene, last week we were doing a live
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investigation at the State House in Fort Wayne,
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Indiana, and I posted this on social media, so
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if you're... On Facebook, if you're on Insta,
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if you're on TikTok, you can see this. Angela's
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voice came through the spirit box loud and clear.
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She got mimicked. Okay, now that was weird. That
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was a voice that came through and that sounded...
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That sounded like me. I feel like that sounded
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like me. That was really weird. Can you elaborate
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on how you felt? Was it scary? How did it feel
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hearing your own voice come through? It wasn't
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necessarily scary hearing my voice come through.
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It was more fascinating because I heard that
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was my own voice and it automatically registered
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to me. I was like, that was my voice. I feel
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like I have a very unique, annoying voice in
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a way. Not annoying. It's unique because it's
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a great voice. Great things can be unique just
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like bad things can be unique. It's unique in
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all the right reasons. Everyone makes fun and
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jokes about my laughing and stuff. Why? I love
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your laughing. I have a high -pitched, annoying,
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nowhere voice. I was just like, that was me.
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That was me. That was 100 % me. It was more fascinating
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because I'm like, there's no one else in the
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house. What did it even say again? I don't remember.
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It said, let me? Let me. Let me. Let me. Let
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me. Which is horrifying in hindsight if you really
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think about it. Like, let me in? Like, what's
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the let me? Or, I mean, Angela at the time was
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handcuffed, so it could have been like, let me
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out or let me go. oh yeah we this was for anyone
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listening like what handcuffed uh we we did a
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live and we uh handcuffed angela to a haunted
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portal closet in the state house yeah and left
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her alone to do this live and um that's when
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her own voice came through the box and said let
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me and then she was like oh cool this is fun
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yeah because i feel like when i watched that
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video back i wasn't even I wasn't like, oh my
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god, that was my voice. I gotta get out of here.
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That's so creepy. I was just like, wait a minute.
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Wait a minute? Hold up. Wait a minute. That wasn't
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right. Okay, now that was weird. That was a voice
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that came through and that sounded... That sounded
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like me. I feel like that sounded like me. That
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was really weird. Brianna, you haven't heard
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your voice be mimicked, but there was one instance.
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Where we're up north. Actually up north. Objectively
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up north. Because it was in the upper peninsula.
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So no one can dispute that we're talking about
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up north. A lot of people in Michigan would be
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crazy. We were up north. People are crazy. Not
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just Michigan. But in Michigan. Geography is
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a weirdly. Obsessive thing. People always debate.
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When we say northern Michigan. Whatever. Anyways.
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What was that sound? Do it again? No. I'll do
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it. You're the worst mimic ever. You wouldn't
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even pass as a mimic. I wouldn't. If that came
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through the box, I wouldn't even think that was
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a mimic. um anyways we're at the mission hill
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cemetery and a few episodes ago this is that
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cemetery the same cemetery um where we were talking
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about like a portal a potential portal opened
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up right right before that portal opened up we're
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doing estus method session and i was under the
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estus and i heard claire's day brianna's voice
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come through the spirit box i don't remember
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what it said I was just about to say, I don't
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even really remember. I don't remember if you
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said what it had said. I think I was just freaking
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out because I heard your voice. I said, like,
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oh, I just heard Brianna. I'm trying to think
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of, because I feel like, because like you said,
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you guys have had your voices mimicked, and I'm
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trying to remember. Angela, what's up with Angela
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being mimicked? Oh, yeah, I forgot about Parashini.
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That's also in the film. Yeah, it was through
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the recorder, and it said mom, but it sounded
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like my voice. So we got 70 and 91. So we got
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70 and 91. It sounds like mom. No, it has to
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be me. It sounds like my voice, but at the same
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time it says mom, so I don't know. There is such
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a thing as like a mimic. We were investigating
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the cemetery of Piercini, and this is in the
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documentary, Piercini Plague in the Pines. Go
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watch it if you haven't. It's a full -length
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documentary. We were investigating the children.
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And we're doing an EVP session, and we were talking
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with a child named Blake. And all the EVPs were,
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like, whispers that you expect, like, my name's
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Blake. But, like, sounding like a kid, right?
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There was one voice, clear as day, of Angela
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saying, mom. And she did not say mom. So it was
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as if it was still talking to that kid, but then
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it was Angela's voice. Angela, say mom. Mom.
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It sounded just like that, but obviously not
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like... it sounded like mom say like say yeah
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a little more exciting okay okay it sounded like
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when i'm annoyed with my mom it was like mom
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yeah that's exactly it i don't know your excited
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voice that's actually your annoyed voice okay
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but what's funny too is like we are talking about
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all these circumstances where our voices have
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been mimicked if you watch the film And you watch
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that part where you guys are going over the audio.
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And you're like, everyone's like, oh my gosh,
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that sounds like Angela. And she just looks at
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the camera like, you gotta be kidding me. Like,
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the most annoyed look. It's not even like, oh
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my god, that was my voice. It was, you're joking.
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Like, this is the stupidest thing ever. Like,
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why is this, like, why? Honestly, I loved it.
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You were so annoyed. oh my god like well and
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then another thing too that night i think we
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were just in the zone too because that wasn't
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even the only mimic experience we had that was
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a scary night i'm not gonna lie it was so i was
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really terrified trevor who co -hosts the what
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goes bump podcast it's called what goes bump
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in the night their you know name is what goes
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bump and they always say welcome to what goes
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bump and uh we're gonna link their podcast in
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the description of this podcast what goes bump
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in the night you should go listen to their stuff
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really great uh podcasts they have but clear
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as day we just hear we're turning on the spirit
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box and we plug it in and as we're getting a
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situation it's not even sweeping it's just the
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speakers on clear as day trevor's voice comes
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through saying What goes bump? In a way, he's
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never said it before. But it was him. But it
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was clearly him. And we all look at it. And it
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was clearly what goes bump. And that was captured
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on camera and included too. So two people got
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mimicked saying relevant things. Because that's
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a scary implication too, right? Hear me out here.
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Mom. You know, it doesn't imply that it knows
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you at all, just your voice. It knew Trevor's
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voice, how to mimic his voice, and it knew the
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name of his podcast to repeat it, but just uncanny
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enough to be different and noticeably wrong.
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Isn't that kind of scary? Yeah. Yes. I don't
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think either of them said what goes bump in the
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night while they were there until that happened.
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No, they didn't say it out loud. It's not like
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when we introduce ourselves, it's like, hi, I'm
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Trevor. I always say, what goes bump on a podcast?
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It's like, that's not something you say during
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an EVP session. So it wasn't. And this is when
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we were setting up too, so. It was weird. That
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was weird. I think that's the thing about Mimics
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to me in general, is like the uncanny. value
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it's very uncanny yeah well because i'm trying
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to think of a circumstance in which i have heard
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like ben in the same thing and of like place
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and i've heard it like in person in the moment
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the only one i can think of is when i was doing
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estes method alone in the basement of madison
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and i had i heard Three people's voices come
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through. I heard Adam's voice. Adam Kimmel, the
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owner of the location. I'm pretty sure I heard
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your voice. Mine? Yeah. And I think I heard one
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other person's voice. Not mine, thank God. No,
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not yours. What do you mean, thank God? If Bree
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said I heard Angela's voice, she would have been
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like, oh yeah, that's cool. Not now, you're saying
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thank God? it's it's madison okay that's a whole
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different story okay i there's something more
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than just paranormal going on there yeah i'm
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sorry but well i think time works differently
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there in general yeah 100 do you think these
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weird places with weird time and also piercini
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we had multiple um mimic encounters but that's
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also a place we went to very often in a short
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time right So could, you know, you know what
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I'm getting at? I think there's a high potential
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that it could be like us hearing something from
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a different place, different time, like an impression
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of ourselves of a moment, like residual energy.
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Okay. And then also. That would make sense. If
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the common. Cheese layers come back in. No, we're
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not talking about cheese layers. I forbid. But
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cheese layers do make sense, Ben. The cheese
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layers make sense in this moment. I'm going to
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say what I'm going to say after you explain the
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cheese layers. How do the cheese layers relate
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here? Eva Brianna understands. So I was just
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saying, if this is imprints of us from the future
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or the past, that would go to my cheese layer
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theory of that past, present, and future are
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all overlaid with each other. different layers
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of cheese or if you want to think about it in
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the apartment sense you got first second and
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third floor and like things can shift between
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the floors sometimes Go listen to episode 8.
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Yeah, I was going to say, if you need to understand
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it, go listen to the other episode about the
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cheese. We got a whole episode about the cheese
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layers. I spent way too much time just now finding,
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what's that stupid episode where we're talking
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about cheese the whole episode? Equating cheese,
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layers of cheese melting onto each other and
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fusing in a sandwich to the residual hauntings.
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But anyways, my point was, most people talk about
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like... uh records like it's a record just replaying
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itself on a loop could if you want to equate
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that way i don't know the cheese layer equivalent
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to this but records could the record warping
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and being warped or distorted over time equate
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for the uncanny valley aspect of the mimics that
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is an interesting thought and then what are the
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implications of if we are if we are encountering
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our own residual energy us in a different time
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as residual energy when we encounter our mimics
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every mimic encounter is uncanny and not exactly
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dead on to some degree so what are the implications
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then of any spirits we encounter are we ever
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encountering the true representation of the spirit
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we're encountering interesting I do really like
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that idea of a warped record. Because it makes
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sense. I hate that it makes so much sense, but
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it makes sense. I don't hate that it makes sense.
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It's interesting. I hate that it doesn't make
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as much sense to me as the cheese layers. That's
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what I hate right now. Another thing, too. This
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is getting kind of meta. Did we create... this
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okay okay so we're talking if if a mimic existing
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let's use piercini as the example here a mimic
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existing at piercini is because our residual
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energy of the multiple times we went there over
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the course of a short time over the course of
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six months we're then engaging with our imprints
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out of time not in a linear manner right we could
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be encountering future you know angela past angela
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it's all just this residual energy from us i
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mean even in that circumstance you could even
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be interacting with present you but it's just
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my point is yes you're breaking my brain but
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the point is time isn't real there in this instance
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right we'd be If this theory is true. Is that
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because of us? Because we are making a film and
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the film is not presented chronologically, linearly.
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We are taking these moments and fragmenting them,
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taking them out of their context to create an
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abstract film. And then when we look back on
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the events of Piercini, I can't even pinpoint
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which investigation it was because it didn't
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happen in that order in the film. So we are juggling
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time and manipulating time. Are we creating the
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environment by making a nonlinear film to have
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these out -of -time experiences even be possible?
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Again, getting really meta here. Really woo -woo.
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Very meta. That's kind of strange if you think
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about it. Because all the Mimic experiences we've
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really had were when we were filming stuff. And
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even Angela had the Mimic this past week at the
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State House during a live stream. I had 108 people
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hear that with their own ears. Yeah, live. Over
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a thousand people in and out. But that moment
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you had over a hundred people. In different time
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zones. Focused on this one moment. That then
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is going to be taken out of the context. Of a
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live stream. And placed in a film. It's all.
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You see what I mean. All these things are about
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time. And being manipulated. And I think there's
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certain conditions. Then that can be right. So
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we're in the camp then. That mimics aren't a
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singular. entity or a type of entity like a hat
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man or something that's running around like that
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but could it be could it be could there be more
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could there be yeah it could be mimic or is it
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a combination of both well do you think spirits
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can mimic do you think most spirits we engage
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with can they just i guess like one of their
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superpowers i don't think so i think i don't
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think i think they could they could like mimic
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you in a mocking sense But I don't think they
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could. Like what Angela did. Yeah. That's terrible.
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But I don't think ghosts have superpowers and
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can actually mimic you. If there is, maybe it
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depends on the type of entity, if they have the
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ability to. Mimic someone? I don't know. You
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believe in multiple different types of ghosts?
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With how much we've been talking about residual
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energy and entities and like potentially different
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cheese layers and warped records it makes it
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feel like mimics are less of a potential actual
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entity and like these arguments for the other
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thing sound more reasonable but there is that
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potential that they could actually be a kind
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of spirit or an entity or something that is trying
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to mimic you or for some reason I don't know
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typically in these sort of circumstances when
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you think of a mimic you think of something negative
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well we'd be remiss to hear if we didn't mention
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dweller and the whole idea of um the your shadow
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self right the whole idea of the dweller is the
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shadow self the bad version of you that you don't
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want to face a lot of people scary insecure version
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of you yes and a lot of people theorize that
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that creates a doppelganger a double that your
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double your doppelganger is actually like what
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you would classify as your shadow yeah a dweller
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so there's a lot of that element and a lot of
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mimic and doppelganger and they even say with
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doppelgangers traditionally if you see your own
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doppelganger you die so it's traditionally a
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scary kind of thing you don't want it you want
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to shy away from you don't want to see your doppelganger
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that reminds me of a story remember when we were
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it was like a few years ago when we were at the
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paranormal mill conference At the Old Mill in
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Dundee. Old Mill in Dundee. And one of the tables,
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the booths that was near us, I don't remember
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this guy's name. I don't remember what team he's
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part of. But someone says that they saw his doppelganger,
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a pure copy of him, going upstairs in the mill.
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Oh, yeah, I remember that. He was sitting at
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the table in that same room next to us the whole
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time and never got up. But that guy, where's
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the guy? He walked right past him, walked upstairs,
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and came downstairs and was all confused. I was
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like, I thought you were just walked upstairs.
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Like, remember that? Mm -hmm. And that night
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was weird, too. That investigation, like, I do
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think a portal opened that investigation, too.
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That was the first time we ever got seven come
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through and all that stuff. Oh. and it was talking
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about it was talking about madison seminary because
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a few times before madison forgot about that
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yep i forgot about that too yeah we went to madison
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not too long after and there were like a couple
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investigations the rest were at my apartment
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but that was the only non -apartment investigation
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that basically said things that were it turned
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out to be very accurate about our investigation
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of madison seminary and then we went to madison
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seminary and a lot of stuff had to do with past
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present and future and the time it's that's so
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weird and then on the spirit box it was saying
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yeah it was saying adam's name multiple times
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and then we go to madison you hear adam's name
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or adam's voice come through the spirit box so
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there's a lot of connections um and then right
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before that quote -unquote portal opened again
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a mimic so could it be something with this whatever
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a portal is could it just be well this was a
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kind of a tear in like we could see different
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thinning in between dimensions or different times
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everything i feel like wait so are we all agreeing
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that whether you call it a residual thing or
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something else Mimics are tied. To time. In some
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degree. I think it's a strong possibility. Before
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this podcast. Before we started recording this
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episode. I would have never thought of it. Me
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neither. This is all raw. This is what I want.
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This podcast to always be. Raw normal conversations.
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This is why we don't come with. I mean, obviously,
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if we see an article or read something in a book,
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we're going to bring it, but this is just our
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raw... I want to bring up something that physically
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mimics us. Like, example, when I've done the
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trespass exercise a few times, I physically...
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saw myself age and saw myself as like a older
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70ish year old lady or something but it was still
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me and then you also Ben that one time you had
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that bad dream you also saw me as an old lady
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that was like something was mimicking me my physical
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features and so you know that's all connected
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so and that's all So, like, mannequin doesn't
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necessarily have to just be voice. It can be,
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like, an actual physical whatever as well. Actually,
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I don't even know. Did we ever talk? We did multiple
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times. I don't even know. I couldn't tell you
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what episode this was on. But long story short,
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there was this terrible dream right before the
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Midwest Weird Fest where we showed the original
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film, Dweller, which at some point the director's
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cut is going to come back out. And be streaming,
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so it'll be fun to drop that. But anyways, right
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before we screened it in Wisconsin, I had this
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terrible dream where I saw The Dweller again
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for the third time. And right as I was staring
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at the scariest thing I've ever seen, jump scare,
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old Angela, 70 -year -old Angela, staring at
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me, smiling, like with a knowing... grin, being
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like, do you know who I am? You know who I am.
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And it was absolutely terrifying. That's kind
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of underselling how terrible the dream was, but
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we... No, we talked about that on, um... We talked
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about it a few times. We talked about it a few
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times. I think on the Owls episode, right? Was
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it Owls? I don't remember. Maybe a little bit.
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I think it was the Owls episode. Maybe it was
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the Dreams episode. Yes! Okay, so episode 10?
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of this podcast dreams in the paranormal and
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then i swear the episode right after about owls
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i i vaguely remember that being like an episode
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i was like tuning out half the time being like
27:34
why are you talking about owls and then we started
27:37
talking about like the dweller again anyways
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um yes because that's directly placing your mimic
27:47
angela with the dweller on the threshold which
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is a Like I said, often tied with your double,
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with your, you know, shadow. And this was a literal
27:59
shadow that your doppelganger blocked. So you
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blocked the view of your shadow. Oh, I didn't,
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I wasn't aware that I blocked the view of the,
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of the dweller. Yeah, now I'm getting flashbacks
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of this. God damn it, Angela. I'm sorry. I got
28:17
flashbacks too from the fucking mill because
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of the whole 7 and Madison popping up. This is
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our past horrors. Now we're getting scary. The
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mimics are supposed to be scary and a little
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unnerving. They are scary. It's very unnerving.
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I don't think I've ever once had a pleasant mimic
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situation. The one that just happened at the
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state house was the most pleasant one. Okay.
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This is what I expected this episode to be. It's
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like, it's so scary. It's not pleasant. And then
28:54
like the first half of the episode, you're trying
28:56
on some like bravado or whatever. And this kind
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of, I say the rug is being pulled out under you,
29:02
Angela. It was the most closest thing to pleasant.
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Not, it was pleasant. I guess the point being
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though, at the end of the day is like, these
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things are related. these weird moments where
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there's time being altered where we're making
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films we're doing things where we're dealing
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with concepts like the dweller that are very
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much about your double right and we're making
29:29
a film about that of course we're gonna have
29:31
mimic encounters around that that uh that that
29:35
film and that time of our lives i'm not saying
29:38
that i saw the dweller on the threshold the occult
29:42
symbol is actually this entity out to murder
29:46
me in my sleep that's not what i'm saying i'm
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saying it makes sense i encountered a mimic type
29:51
of thing and we all encounter mimic stuff when
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we're dealing with with that concept and making
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a film about it because i think making a film
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about anything could have us fucking with time
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and um even piercini we had mimics state house
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all of this is breaking my brain like it's all
30:16
that is so all of it is i'm gonna need a lot
30:24
of memories suddenly this is breaking my mind
30:29
this is breaking my mind yeah god Also, ironically,
30:35
for this episode, I have no idea how long we've
30:39
been talking. I don't know what time we started
30:42
at. I don't know. I don't know what time we started
30:44
either. So since our brains are broken, we'll
30:48
move into final thoughts. We probably could keep
30:51
talking about it, but like... We'll come back
30:54
to it. I'm way too overwhelmed now. Yeah. I don't
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know. I'm just... I feel like a... My whole thoughts
31:07
on, like, just because of this one conversation,
31:11
my whole thoughts on paranormal activity and
31:16
ghosts and everything is slightly shifting. And
31:20
I don't like that. It's when things like this
31:24
happens. It really shifts your perspective. It
31:28
really does. Because Ben's statement of I don't
31:33
believe in intelligent hauntings anymore is sounding
31:36
more and more plausible. Everything does really
31:45
seem... Is it residual? Could it actually be
31:49
residual? Could it be residual? I'm glad it took
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40 episodes to make one singular sentence make
31:58
sense. Yeah. Yeah. I think, but that's the thing
32:06
is too, is like this recording this episode,
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this is us coming off of our investigation from
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the state house, which a lot of the energy there
32:17
felt like it was residual. Yeah. Like I've never
32:20
had a location. That's just our experience. Other
32:25
people may have experienced other things. To
32:27
us, the hauntings there felt very residual. And
32:31
I've never had an experience like that. And it
32:35
makes sense now. This one thing I always thought
32:37
was an outlier of Angela's voice coming through.
32:40
But it makes sense, though, if it's so residual.
32:43
And maybe then, we were debating the whole night,
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how do you even investigate a residual haunting?
32:51
Maybe the best thing to do is just to engage
32:54
with it. Put your energy there. And the more
32:57
you investigate, the more likely you are to be
33:00
encountering something, even if it's yourself.
33:03
Mm -hmm. I don't know. I don't know. And then,
33:08
oh, all the... Okay, you want me to break your
33:10
brains again? No. Yes. Most of the activity we
33:14
were having happen at the State House. We caught
33:17
some EVPs. We... Some really cool VPs. We caught
33:22
this weird thing happening on camera in the basement
33:24
with the infrared light. It looked like a shadow
33:27
passed in front of it. The main thing we had
33:29
happen was we would knock and then something
33:34
knocked back to us. But also, we were knocking
33:38
all night. Could that have been our residual
33:43
energy? Could that be either mimicking the knock
33:46
or be us knocking? that then us knocking again
33:51
triggers that memory imprint you see what i mean
33:55
maybe dealing with residual hauntings you just
33:57
got to engage with it and the more you knock
33:59
the more likely you are to hear one of your knocks
34:01
again later in the night but the only thing i
34:03
could say is did knocking only happen after we
34:09
knocked it never happened randomly but again
34:14
the point is After we knocked. We got there and
34:17
before we started investigating, no knocking.
34:19
After we started knocking to enlist responses,
34:22
then we would occasionally hear a knock. Coincidence?
34:27
Makes you think. My brain hurts. Now I'm tired.
34:33
You made me think about things. Heaven forbid.
34:37
Heaven forbid you made me lose my brain. God
34:41
dang it. God, Ben. Gosh. Thinking. You're the
34:48
worst. Sorry. Please never say that like that
34:56
ever again. Okay. Anything else? No. I think
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I scared you guys off from everything Simon says
35:11
again. I need a nap. All right. Good night, everybody.
35:17
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