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Is Ohio State About To Flip 2 Commits From Power 5 Schools? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Monday, September eleventh, I'm your host,
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tom Or. The Western Kentucky game is in five days. The game against
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Michigan in seventy five days. We're going to be talking about two very very
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different things on today's show. A little later on, we're going to have
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our buddy Alex Glitman on to look back at some of the guys who were
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in town for Ohio State visiting recruits over the weekend at the Youngstown State game
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to open the season. A couple names that were kind of notable there because
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they're committed to other schools and could potentially be flip candidates for Ohio States.
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We're going to talk to Alex about that a little bit later on, but
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first I wanted to let you hear a little bit from Ryan Day, Kayl
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McCord, and Devon Brown. The quarterback situation obviously the big story around this
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year's Ohio State team. Whether it's the biggest concern around this year's Ohio State
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team is probably a separate conversation. It is certainly the biggest story around the
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team. So let's start with Ryan Day. Let's just let him weigh in
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on Kyle McCord's play. Just overall against Youngstown State, I thought he came
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out of the gate. I think there was, you know, something maybe
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in the back end early on for them that they you know, but he
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found it, found Marvin and then hit the play action. I think early
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in games like this, how you play matters. And I like how he
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came out of the gates playing well, you know, they're they're they're fresh,
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they're playing their best football in that first quarter, and you want to
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see us playing good football. And you know, he made some nice throws
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early on and that that was good, and he got himself into a rhythm
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and and showed you know that he can make some of those throws and that's
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important. And I thought even in the two minute drow, you know he
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I know, he wants that first one back. He's gonna get that ball
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out of his hand a little bit faster. The second one. You know,
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Marv did drop. You know, it's it's rare that he drops one.
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And then he was smart on third down and not forcing it. So
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you know, overall, I thought he was solid. But we'll look at
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the film and see whenever you're breaking in a new starting quarterback. You always
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have a pretty tight leash on him for a little while, don't let him
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change plays nearly as much as you might later on in his career. So
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his Kymichord now earned a little bit more leeway to change things up if he
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wants too. You'll hear that answer, and then a follow up from Clay
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Hall from Channel Sex in Columbus. I think as we start to get more
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games on our belt, you'll start to see more and more open up.
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But you know, he looked more comfortable for sure in this game, and
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you know, every every time you play, and that's why we try to
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get Devin more snaps, to get kind of those those first things flushed out,
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you know, things maybe you saw Kyle in the first game, you
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know that way. You know, you saw maybe a little bit with Devin
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in this game. But I don't think Kyle really missed any throws and maybe
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a read or two. Mah, I guess maybe there was a couple.
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But but I thought he was much more efficient in this game. I think
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he was more comfortable back there. At least it looked that way to me.
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He's not the full fledged starter yet. We'll see, we'll look at
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the film and kind of evaluated after we watched the film and go from there,
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And like I said, we'll take a week the week. When you
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have the quarterback pedigree that Ryan Day has in terms of guys just being in
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Columbus and just developing and turning into first round quarterbacks over and over and over
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again, it's probably a little bit unfair to then have the new guy just
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immediately get compared to all of those guys Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields, c
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J. Strout. But it's kind of the reality of the world. So
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even though it is kind of unfair, does does Ryan Day maybe see some
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similarities between Kyle McCord and one or more of those previous guys. It is
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hard to compare to other quarterbacks, But I think the more you play,
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the better you see it. And you know, I remember that first game
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against Minnesota. You know, CJ struggled in like in that first half and
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then really calmed down in the second half, and then it did some really
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good things in the Oregon game, you know through uh you know, throw
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a couple balls in the coverage in that game, but there was enough in
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that game to say we might have something here. Even though we lost the
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game and it was people were coming at him hard. He threw over four
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in the yards in that game because we had to you know, we didn't
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do a good job rund the ball there. And then you could start start
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to see it develop over time, and it was a tough stretching there,
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you know. But you think about Dwayne, you know, he kind of
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felt like Dwayne saw it. You can kind of see that early on.
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Justin that was a little bit different. You know. It took him until
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almost past the Michigan State game before he really got but he was so athletic
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he could make plays with his feet. So I guess I go through those
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guys because you're asking about the press predecessors, and I don't think we'll know
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the answer to that until we get a few more games. In the same
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thing with Devin, you know, because when when you're seeing it for the
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first I remember being a quarterback, it's like what you put the film on,
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You're like, what what did I see? And then next time you
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do it, you're like, oh, okay, and then and then sometimes
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you come out of games you're like, I don't even know what just happened
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in that game. I just found the flow of the game. I found
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the rhythm of the game. And that's something we talked to our quarters about,
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find the speed of the game, because if you're too slow, not
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good. If you're too fast, not good. And that's part of playing
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this game. And so we tried to get both guys into a rhythm early
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on sort of did that. We we'll continue to try to do that with
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the Notre Dame game. Now, just being two weeks out, is there
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may be a little bit more urgency around the program to get that one guy
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all the reps in practice and not be splitting the the reps with the ones
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between two different quarterbacks. I don't know. I you know, I'll probably
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get on this film, figure it out, figure out what this next week
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looks like, and then we'll we'll figure out not to name when we get
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there. But I think, again, it's a legitimate question. I don't
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have the answered way right now, but it's I understand what you're asking and
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we're just going to focus on Western Kentucky now and you know, do the
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best we can to grow this week. You know, this isn't about you
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know, winning this game. Certainly, we have to win this game.
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But we know we have big goals in mind. We're building this thing for
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the for the long run, and you know, we have high expectations.
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You know, we want to be perfect. We know where we need to
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be, so we're not accepting anything other than excellence, and we know what
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that looks like. And it isn't just built in one week. So we're
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growing towards that. The guys are into it. They know what it takes.
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And you know, we've been in a situation where you know, early
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in the season, you know it feels like, Okay, we're going right
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to the national championship. It doesn't work that way. Have to build the
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foundation the right way for the long haul. And I think our guys are
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bit into that and understand that. So we just need another great week of
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work this week and keep learning and pushing and getting these guys as many reps
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as we can. All right, now, let's hear a little bit from
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Kyle McCord after the game. That first start at Indiana was okay. There
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were some up and down moments for sure. Ryan after that game called it
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a little bit of a mixed bag. So the second game against Youngstown State
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felt like he was a little more consistent than you. Of course have to
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adjust for competition there. But was there something that Kyle McCord felt like he
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did in Week two against Youngstown State that he didn't do in Week one against
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Indiana. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is just coming out of the
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gate and just you know, trust my reeds, trusting my arm, trusting
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the players around me. And I think we showed flashes of that last week
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for sure, but we were just spotty, and I feel like, especially
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in the first half today, came out strong and and got things going.
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I got the ball in the receiver's hands and they did some really good things
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after the catch, rehired out a little bit. So I think it was
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a good mixture, and as long as we can continue to build that,
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I think will be in a really good spot offensively. Ryan Day talked about
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the fact that Kaya McCord seemed like maybe he was a little bit more calm
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in control of his emotions maybe in week two rather than a week one,
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and that would sort of make sense. You're playing at home in front of
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your home crowd against a team that is not nearly as good as the Indiana
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defense that you faced a week ago. When that was on the road,
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So was kaya McCord really did he really feel better just internally? Was there
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a difference internally this week maybe a little bit more in control of his emotions
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and the game. Yeah. I think last week, especially the first start
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of the new year's season opener on the road Big ten team, there's a
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lot that goes into it, and I wouldn't necessarily call them distractions, but
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there's just a lot of things that go into that game. And once you
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get that game over with, got to win and then got into the flow
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of a normal week with the practice schedule and then just you know, our
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routine and just kind of eased into it a little bit more so than I
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would say the first week. So I think definitely the emotions are just more
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calm more than anything I feel like, So I think that definitely helps in
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the long run. And finally, let's let you hear a little bit from
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Devin Brown, the second guy to come in for each of the first two
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games. Feels like, you know, maybe the quarterback competition is starting to
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wind up a little bit as the Buckeyes enter that third game of the season
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against Western Kentucky. But what does Devin Brown think does he still feel like
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he's in the race for the starting quarterback job. Yeah, of course.
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I mean I've always feel like I was in the race. That's never gonna
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change for me. I'm always gonna think I'm the guy. But we just
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got to do what's best for the team, and that's what we're doing when
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our number Scot would go out there and help this team win. Now,
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Devin Brown was asked after the game how he would grade his performance against Youngstown
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State, and he gave himself a sea, which you know, on the
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whole, that's probably a pretty fair grade. He might be a little bit
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of a tough grader, but that's probably in the ballpark. So he was
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asked why why would he give himself a seat. You're gonna hear that answer,
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and then you're gonna hear a follow up from Stephen Means of Cleveland dot
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Com about what Devin Brown liked about his performance and what he didn't like.
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Just smiss and throws. Gott gotta complete those easy throwers. Like I said,
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I didn't think I had anything that was mentally wrong or any reads that
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were bad, just missed a few easy throws. Would you like about day
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Yeah, I think I felt like I had good energy. I felt like
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I had good leadership. I felt like I was really rallying the guys.
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I mean, I think two out of three drives I was in we went
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down to scored. I'd like to score on the third one. But overall,
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I think it was a pretty good day for my first time, you
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know, having beautiful reps in Mets play. All right, so now you've
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heard from Ryan Day and the two quarterbacks. Now you're gonna hear from our
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buddy, Alex Klaittman if buckeyehad All dot Com had a couple visitors in town
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over the weekend who were committed to other schools. Wanted to check in with
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Alex on updates on both those guys, but also Alex. Let's start with
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the quarterback position. Everyone has an opinion on this. We just heard from
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Ryan Day and Kyle McCord and Devin Brown their thoughts after the game. I
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have shared my thoughts that I think it's maybe time for them to kind of
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make a decision and play one guy. What do you think? Where do
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you think the quarterback battle stands after two weeks and you know, is it
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time to make a decision and move on, or can they kind of let
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this play out a little longer. Yeah. I mean, I'm not someone
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who's like I need to be right all the time, but I really don't
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see how there's in like multiple opinions on this thing. At this point.
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It's pretty clear. You saw what happened in a closer than expected game against
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Indiana and week one, how they use Devin Brown versus how they use Kyle
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McCord, And I think you obviously we you know, week two against Youngstown
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State, Kyle got the start, he still played the majority of the time.
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They did work Devon and more. But I think to me, it's
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it's pretty clear, number one, that the coaches feel that Kyle McCord is
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better suited to be the quarterback football team. And I think I think from
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watching the games, I mean, you can't really judge Game one for Devon
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Brown, that's not totally fair for him. But I think watching Kyle McCord,
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especially in the second half of the Indiana game, and then seeing him
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pretty much in apples to apples against Youngstown State versus Devin Brown, I think,
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you know, to me, it's it's pretty clear that Kyle McCord is
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the better choice for this football team. And I have you know, I
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think that that one drive Brown led, the first one, was a microcosm
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to me of why he's not the guy he took that on third down there
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was a blitz and the minute there was like the sign of pressure, he
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kind of panicked a little bit and through an errand pass that could have been
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an easy crossing route to a Mecca Guca for minimum first down, if not
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more. But then you saw they went for it on fourth down and he
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scrambled out of the pocket, extended the play and was able to make a
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really impressive pass to convert the first down. And so there's gonna be wild
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plays like that, but I think the simple plays where you need to step
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up in the pocket or hang in the pocket and make that throw. You
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know that that's a play he's got to make, and he's not making that.
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And that's what I've heard all throughout camp is that Kyle has been more
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consistent. Devin has had more wow moments, if you will, and I
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think, you know, just being a little bit of a better athlete,
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you're probably gonna get that. But I think you know, anyone with to
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me. I don't know anyone with two eyes who watched this game fairly and
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objectively could have seen that Kyle McCord as the guy. And I think the
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coaches know that. I think they're gonna end this this thing. I think
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Kyle is gonna it's gonna must saying Devin Brown won't play against Western Kentucky.
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But I think they're gonna get Kyle as many reps as they can as with
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the first team, as if it was like c. J. Stroud last
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year, for example, because he's got to get ready for Notre Dame.
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And I think they want Devin to get reps because he's never really had reps
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before. And if something happens with Kyle McCord, if he gets hurt or
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you know, midway through the season, it's he's just not getting it done
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and they want to make a change in that position. They can't just throw
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in Evan Brown without really having any sort of experience. So I think that
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while the competition has been quote unquote open, I really think that they've known
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it's it's been commic coord since they really named him the starter before Week one
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in Indiana. One thing that I think probably will help for you know some
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of the scenarios you laid out there where you know there's an injury or just
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lack of performances. Brown has gotten a lot more snaps during fall camp than
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a typical backup would because they have considered this an open competition and they've run
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two practice fields at the same time and all that kind of stuff. So
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he's gotten a lot more reps. But how often do we hear from the
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coaches that there's practice reps are great, but you don't know until the game,
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you know, until it's a game. And we have talked about Kyle
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about Devin Brown as a running threat because he is more athletic, I think
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in some ways than than Comic Chord, like you said, But that's one
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of those things where even when we see him in practice, he's got that
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black jersey on. So it's like trying to judge, okay, how much
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of a running thread as a quarterback just by watching the spring game. And
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everyone in the building knows you can't hit the quarterback in the spring game.
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So yeah, it's really easy to look look good and guys have to pull
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up before they get to you, so you look like you're jetting pass people
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you know, it felt like maybe we got a better sense that yet he's
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mobile, but he's not you know, Michael Vick or anything back there.
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So it feels like that might play into this that maybe, you know,
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the passer versus the runner isn't necessary necessarily quite as clear a division as maybe
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we were sort of led to believe. Yeah, and I also think that
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like Kyle people thought he was you know, Peyton Manning, where he is
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kind of just a statue and he can't move. I think you've seen Kyle
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McCord pull it down and run the ball a little bit. You know.
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I'm not saying they want him doing that all the time. It's not He's
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certainly not Michael Vick, and Devin Brown is certainly more athletic and faster than
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him, I would say. But yeah, I mean, I don't.
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I don't think to your point, it's not like it's not like we got
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justin Fields verse verse Kyle McCord here, it's it's very it's closer than you
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would think in the athleticism category. And I think, you know, just
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another year in the system. I don't know. I like, I don't,
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I don't really get to take that people who watch or have watched this
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game, Like, how do you not like what Kyle? What you've seen
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out of Kyle McCord, I just I don't get it. He throws a
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good ball, he's been hackurate, he's thrown made some NFL throws, in
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my opinion, thrown in the tight when knows is he making mistakes? Yeah,
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but I mean c J. Strade. Everyone points to Wall his second
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game against or Again he threw for four hundred and fifty yards. But what
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about a third game against Tulsa he was terrible and people were calling for freshman
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Kyle McCord to kind of, you know, come in and take his spot
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there. So sometimes these guys just need to get their legs under them.
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And I will say this like I think if Devin Brown, I don't think
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Devon Brown is would be ready to start in South Bend in two weeks.
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But I think if you gave Devin Brown, you know, I think you
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know, the starting job this year. I think by halfway six, seven
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eight, by the Penn State game, I think he'd be like a much
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better quarterback than what we saw the other day. So these guys, I
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know, they're five stars, and you expect them to come in and be
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amazing. I'm on a little tangentire i went off the topic, but I
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just think it's really important to understand that this game's at a different speed,
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it's at a different level of competition. All the guys are playing against are
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Kyle McCord level or Devin Brown level guys, and this is really their first
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action. So, as you said, Tom, it's like the spring game
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is great, the practices are great, the fall camp's great, but until
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you get into that real game situation, you really can't. It doesn't matter
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how many mental reps or practice reps or whatever you took. They still need
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that experience in the games to get better. And I think Kyle McCord is
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going to get better and better. I think Devin Brown, with every repeat
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takes, is going to get better and better. So I personally have no
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qualms about the Ohio State quarterback position. For me, it's the offensive line
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and the defense is I'll say that the defense as a whole, I still
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need to see them against good teams get it done because obviously we saw what
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happened Michigan, Georgia, even Maryland at the end of last year. Defensive
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line has been a little underwhelming, and we'll see what the back seven has
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this week against Western Kentucky. So for me, it's it's offensive line is
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the most concerning thing. The defense would probably just making sure they're good would
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be number two quarterback. I just feel like they'll they'll get it done.
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So yeah, and you know, the next time a Ryan Day starting quarterback
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fails to develop into at least a pretty darn good quarterback over the course of
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the season will be the first time. So yeah, I think that's probably
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that's probably a safe bet that Kyle McCord, if he is the guy,
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turns into a significantly better quarterback by November than he is right now. And
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you know, if and when Devin Brown is called upon, he's probably going
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to have the same general progression as well. So don't don't write it.
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You don't write anyone off yet, don't burn your jerseys or anything like that.
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There is a decent chance that both of those guys end up being pretty
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darn good starting quarterbacks for Ohio State at some point in the future. Speaking
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of the future of Ohio State, got a couple of recruits from who are
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sitting Over the weekend, we got to talk about. It was, you
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know, Youngstown State. This is not the big blow it out recruiting weekend,
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but we saw a lot of guys, you know, the local guys.
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You know, Tavian Saint Clair was here and Sam Williams Dixon, the
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local, the local guys. We're gonna be here for a lot of games.
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Those guys were all here. They brought in several other uncommitted Ohio prospects
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and Midwest prospects as well, but they also brought in two guys who are
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currently committed to other Power five programs. One of the bis Nicholas Rodriguez.
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He is out of Florida Saint Thomas Aquinas High School, a place where Ohio
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State has pulled a few talented respenders over the years. Rodriguez is a linebacker
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currently committed to MISSOO. You know, Alex, this is a name we
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talked about quite a while ago, and then it never really got to the
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point where he was really seriously in the mix to commit. It has that
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and maybe changed a little bit now as some of the other names have come
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off their board at linebacker. Yeah, well, he's a guy I remember
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so he visited. I think it was that first weekend in June, like
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that June second weekend, he took an official visit, and when I did
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some poking around, it was they liked him a lot. They liked him
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a lot. They were considering taking him regardless of what else happened. But
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I think, you know, having Garrett Stover in the class, having Peyton
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Pearce in the class, feeling pretty good about Kingston Billiam Nuasa at that point,
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and maybe an outside chance at Edwin Spillman. It was them or Tennessee.
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I think they just felt like their relationship with Nick Rodriguez was good enough.
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They felt like he wasn't going no disrespect to Missouri, I mean there,
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I you know, I think they're building a pretty solid program there.
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But it's not like he was committing to Alabama or Georgia or Michigan or Florida
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or Florida like MISSOI is clearly a step down from Ohio State. And I
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think that they felt that, you know, that was probably where the type
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of school he'd end up committing to like, and that they didn't have to
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make the decision to push for him then and there. And they had a
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couple other guys that I mentioned still on the board and and they obviously the
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Nigel Glover thing worked out too, and that's kind of almost like getting another
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linebacker. So I think that they waged things out. They've seen the first
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couple games of film from this senior year. They liked him in the summer.
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I think they really like him after watching his film, and you know,
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he came up. It's an n official visit. He paid his own
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dime. He came up with you know, some of his South Florida Express
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teammates. But he's you know, that's Ohio State isn't paying for that trip.
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And he's not just coming for the fun to see Ohio State play Youngstown
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State. It's not like he's coming to the Ohio State Penn State game.
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So I think that if Ohio State pushes for Nicholas Rodriguez, they're going to
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get him. I need to dig into whether that's going to happen. But
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my hunches, I don't think they would have told the kid to waste his
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time coming up from Florida if they weren't prepared to probably take his commitment.
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So my guess is he ends up coming into the Ohio State class at some
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point. And I wouldn't be shocked in the near future, all right.
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And the second guy we got to talk about is a Virginia Tech commute commit
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that is Eric Mensa. He is a defensive end prospect also for the class
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of twenty twenty four. That's a spot where Ohio State is definitely looking to
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add bodies. And you know, we had talked about Marky's lightfoot potentially being
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a flip if Miami had a season that kind of spiraled. Well, Miami
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season took a little bit of an upswing on Saturday with that win over Texas
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A and M So we'll see how that continues to play out. But what
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do you know about Eric Mensa and where things stand with him in the Buckeyes
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right now? Yeah, I mean I don't know a ton. You know,
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mark had kind of had that scoop first out of our step. Our
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staff kept it on the DL. You obviously spotted him down on the field
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before the game, snapped the great picture that we have on the site.
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But you know, I think you got Justin's when you know Eric Menza,
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I think he might be listed as a he might even still be listened as
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an edge or just a defensive lineman. He's three to ninety. That's an
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interior guy all the way. To me. They got Justin Scott, who's
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the five star committed and I think they feel pretty good about keeping his pledge.
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So when you have that situation, it gives you a little bit of
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flexibility. I don't think they felt like they need to take someone else.
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I think they were going to watch some film this fall see who they like.
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I think this is a kid that fits that billing. You know,
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he's not highly ranked, that doesn't really mean anything. Obviously, the coach's
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opinion weighs more than the stars. Sometimes their services do miss people, and
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uh, you know, I think this is a kid that they really like.
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He's got high upside and kind of same thing as Nick Rodriguez. I
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don't think that they would bring him in on an official visit if they weren't
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at least seriously considering pushing for a commitment and felt like they could get one.
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I think this weekend was probably just as much an interview and I don't
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want to say interrogation, but checking out Eric Menza up close in person and
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sizing him up, getting to know him, seeing how he interacts with the
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other players. The other recruits seeing if he's a culture fit. So,
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as I said, pretty much a two way interview, and again I got
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it. You know, we're recording this on Sunday at eight o'clock. I
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don't know what time he flew home, but you know, got gotta make
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the rounds on the sources over the next couple of days and see how they
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feel about that one. But if if he checked all the boxes, I
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think he probably already checked the boxes as far as what they like on the
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field from him, it's more the off the field stuff. And if he
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checked all those boxes and he made this trip himself as well, being a
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Virginia native who's committed to Virginia Tech, I think that there's probably a good
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chance he could end up in the class as well, as long as again
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he checked everything the boxes on everything Ohio State was before. All right,
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So we'll be keeping an eye on those two recruits and potential flip candidates at
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Buckeye Huddle dot com. Alex and Mark obviously very very busy on the recruiting
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trail this time of year as we're heading in to boy only what three months
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or so until early signing day, heading into the home stretch, which tends
24:06
to be the time of year when things get a little nutso on the recruiting
24:08
trail these days, So it could be plenty of stuff to talk about there
24:11
on the recruiting front at Buckeye huddle dot com. Also this week a little
24:15
bit of quarterback talk. The first what fifteen minutes or so over this show,
24:21
heard a whole bunch of quarterback talk. You're probably gonna hear a lot
24:23
more quarterback talk one way or the other this week. We'll be hearing from
24:26
Ryan Day on Tuesday. Should be lots of stuff to break down. And
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then, as Alex said, defense, the defense for Ohio State has been
24:33
real good through two weeks. They're going to get a real test this week
24:34
from the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers and they're particularly their prolific passing attack. We'll have
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