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The Kenny Report | 17 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight the day after the night before,
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  Speaker 3: I was zero in on the two saw points for
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberanezi from last night's debate the ABC Onwardsman clears
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  Speaker 3: the ABC this time over that story about the war
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  Speaker 3: memorial I showed you earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 4: And a British court decides that women are women. What
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  Speaker 4: a world we will live in? Hey, when that is
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  Speaker 4: welcome news.
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  Speaker 3: I'll catch up with former Labor Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon
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  Speaker 3: and talk to former Liberal Foreign Minister Alexander Downer about
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  Speaker 3: Russia and our Indonesian neighbors. And to pick over the
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  Speaker 3: campaign highlights and low lights, I'll catch up with Tim
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  Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: There were two telling exchanges in last night's debate and
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  Speaker 3: I want to focus on them in a moment because
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  Speaker 3: they have the potential to turn this election race.
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  Speaker 4: People focus on them.
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  Speaker 3: But first let me just observe that much of the
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  Speaker 3: media will not focus on these issues. They'll ignore them
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  Speaker 3: and instead they'll pretend that Peter Dutton denied climate change
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  Speaker 3: last night, which he clearly did not, or they'll focus
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  Speaker 3: on how he admitted misspeaking about the Russia and Indonesia
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  Speaker 3: defense dealings, when the issue he highlights there is deadly
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  Speaker 3: serious and Labor is all at sea on it. So
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  Speaker 3: watch out for the media running with the side shows
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  Speaker 3: to attack Dutton and the Coalition as a smoke screen
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  Speaker 3: for the fundamentals that matter, which brings me to I
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  Speaker 3: think the most important exchange of the night. We all
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  Speaker 3: have to remember now, of course, how Albanesi and Labor
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  Speaker 3: won their way into office. They did it by attacking
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  Speaker 3: Scott Morrison Shore, but also by promising to reduce the
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  Speaker 3: cost of living and lower mortgages, neither of which they've done,
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  Speaker 3: of course. And importantly, they focused on electricity prices.
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  Speaker 5: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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  Speaker 5: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 6: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 6: a year, one.
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  Speaker 5: Hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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  Speaker 6: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 6: a year.
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  Speaker 5: Two hundred and seventy five dollars for the average house
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  Speaker 5: lower in twenty twenty five than today.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the promise and none of you need
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  Speaker 3: reminding about that. Albanezi should be harangued every day for
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  Speaker 3: breaking that promise, but at least last night he was
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  Speaker 3: asked about where electricity prices might go in the future.
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  Speaker 7: You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the
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  Speaker 7: cheapest form of power.
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  Speaker 4: When will we see our power bills come down?
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  Speaker 5: They are, Well, what we know is that renewables are
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  Speaker 5: the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say,
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  Speaker 5: but because of what the Australian Energy Market Operator says.
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  Speaker 4: So when do the bills come down?
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  Speaker 5: And what the market is delivering? See Peter has to
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  Speaker 5: have government state taxting thunder and just stick.
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  Speaker 7: Me with your plan, mister Albinezy, When will the bills come.
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  Speaker 5: Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the
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  Speaker 5: cheapest form of power and that is why we are
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  Speaker 5: doing that, rolling it out, including through gas. Peter Ray's
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  Speaker 5: gas gas is now thirteen dollars. It was thirty dollars
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  Speaker 5: and when we came cheap, when we came off, thirteen
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  Speaker 5: is cheaper than thirty.
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  Speaker 7: When do we see the bills come down.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what we need to do is to roll out renewable,
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  Speaker 5: to make sure there's energy security, make sure it's backed
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  Speaker 5: up by batteries, by hydro and by gas.
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  Speaker 3: Five times he was asked five times when prices would
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  Speaker 3: come down, and he refused to answer.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't even attempt to answer that crucial.
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  Speaker 3: Question, and the ABC host David Spears just moved on,
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  Speaker 3: of course, five times, refusing to answer a crucial question
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  Speaker 3: about power prices.
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  Speaker 4: That's critical to the future of this nation.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, high power prices, record power prices are hurting households,
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  Speaker 3: they're slamming small businesses, and they're forcing industries offshore and
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  Speaker 3: of course pushing up the price of just about everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yet Labor promised to reduce them by two hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seventy five dollars a year, but seen.
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  Speaker 4: Them go up by about four or five times that amount.
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  Speaker 3: And the very policies that it said would push prices down, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's doubling down on them now and pretending that this
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  Speaker 3: time it'll get a different result. This is national self
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  Speaker 3: harm on a grand scale, and it's reason enough on
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  Speaker 3: its own to disqualify this government from reelection. But the
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  Speaker 3: other telling exchange related to honesty. Remember, this is a
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  Speaker 3: Prime minister who fell off a stage during this campaign
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  Speaker 3: and then denied it.
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  Speaker 1: Photos with everyone.
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  Speaker 8: Okay in the.
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  Speaker 9: Middle, I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off
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  Speaker 9: the stage, just one leg went down. But I was
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  Speaker 9: I was sweet Now.
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  Speaker 3: That Porky gave us an insight into truthful, truthfulness.
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  Speaker 4: On something that's very trivial.
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  Speaker 3: Last night we got an insight into truthfulness on a
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  Speaker 3: significant policy issue.
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  Speaker 7: And your government has modeled negative gearing changes NCGT changes.
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  Speaker 7: The Treasurer has done that.
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  Speaker 4: That's not right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it is a public service.
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  Speaker 5: Well under our public service. We actually value the public
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  Speaker 5: service and we value them coming up with ideas and
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  Speaker 5: doing assessments.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's happened.
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  Speaker 4: I can't. I have been very clear.
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  Speaker 5: I have been very clear about what our position is
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  Speaker 5: and why that is the case.
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  Speaker 4: Was it modeled?
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  Speaker 5: It certainly wasn't commissioned by us to do so.
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  Speaker 7: It was modeled by the government. It was publicly. That's publicly.
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  Speaker 7: This Prime Minister has a problem with the truth. And
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  Speaker 7: it's not just in relation to this debate. There are
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  Speaker 7: many aspects that you could pick up during the course
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  Speaker 7: of this campaign.
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  Speaker 4: This is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister caught out stone cold pushing a furfee
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  Speaker 3: in an election debate and he and the Treasurer were
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  Speaker 3: spinning like crazy to get themselves out of it. Today,
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  Speaker 3: can you honestly say the government never asked Treasury to
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  Speaker 3: look at negative garan.
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  Speaker 5: Look it is normal process. As I said last night,
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  Speaker 5: we have a public service that we encourage to engage
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  Speaker 5: and if an issues out there, getting advice from it.
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  Speaker 6: There is a difference between commissioning modeling, which is what
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  Speaker 6: the PM was asked about last night, and getting advice
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  Speaker 6: from the Treasury, getting views from the Treasury on issues
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  Speaker 6: that are in the public domain.
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  Speaker 1: Was this unsolicitous now?
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  Speaker 6: I said last year and I've said on a number
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  Speaker 6: of occasions now that I sought of view. Now that's
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  Speaker 6: different to commissioning modeling. The Prime Minister was asked about
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  Speaker 6: commissioning modeling.
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  Speaker 4: I sought of you.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: The PM claims he wasn't lying because rather than ask
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  Speaker 3: for modeling on negative gearing, Labor just got it after
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  Speaker 3: Treasury thought of it. But today charmers argued that PM
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  Speaker 3: wasn't lying because it wasn't modeling, confirming that in fact
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  Speaker 3: he had sought this advice. These blugs haven't got their
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  Speaker 3: story straight.
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  Speaker 5: We actually valued the public service and we value them
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  Speaker 5: coming up with ideas and doing assessments.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's happened.
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  Speaker 6: Was unsolicited now, I said last year, and I've said
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  Speaker 6: on a number of occasions now that I sought a view.
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  Speaker 4: Ah.
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  Speaker 3: They both say the Prime Minister wasn't lying, But they've
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  Speaker 3: actually contradicted themselves about why. So they're both lying glorious stuff,
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  Speaker 3: albuneasy and charmers caught up in a web of their
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  Speaker 3: own spin on negative gearing changes. So what does this
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  Speaker 3: mean about the substance of the issue. Doesn't this mean
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  Speaker 3: that negative gearing changes remain a policy goal that Labor
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  Speaker 3: shares with the Greens.
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  Speaker 10: Do you all out meeting the greens demands on negative
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  Speaker 10: gearing if you have to negotiate it.
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  Speaker 5: I will out negotiating with the Greens. That's even further
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  Speaker 5: for you. I have responded to that lots of times.
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  Speaker 5: Again we get answer. We have our housing policy that
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  Speaker 5: we are taking forward the Greens. I am not negotiating
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  Speaker 5: with the Greens. We make it very clear. And what's more,
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  Speaker 5: the Greens have said the one negotiable. The non negotiable
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  Speaker 5: thing that they have, by the way, is that they
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  Speaker 5: want to support Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the debate fallout for the Prime Minister and his
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  Speaker 3: government is pretty horrible today. His honesty under question and
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  Speaker 3: his broken promise on electricity prices exposed. Yet there were
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  Speaker 3: plenty in the media who said the Prime Minister won
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  Speaker 3: the debate, go figure. Others said there was nothing to
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  Speaker 3: see here.
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  Speaker 10: They both stuck to their core messages. Peter Dutton made
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  Speaker 10: the point of asking are you better off than you
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  Speaker 10: were three years ago? Anthony Albaneze. He said, Australians have
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  Speaker 10: done the heavy lifting during the past three years. We've
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  Speaker 10: turned the corner as a nation and now is not
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  Speaker 10: the time to change leadership. As for the rest, you've
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  Speaker 10: been hearing most of it for the past three weeks,
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  Speaker 10: So you're good to go to bed.
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  Speaker 3: Dear, oh, dear, hey, off to bed you go. The
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  Speaker 3: ABC's got this election all sorted. I wonder who they're
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  Speaker 3: rooting for. That tells you all you need to know,
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  Speaker 3: of course about the ABC and the broader election coverage. Now,
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  Speaker 3: let's have a little update on the ABC. Have to
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  Speaker 3: complain against the ABC over a four corners report focusing
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  Speaker 3: on the expansion of the Australian War Memorial in Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC Onwoodsman has cleared the ABC. How about that
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  Speaker 3: the ABC clears the ABC. You'll remember I highlighted this
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  Speaker 3: complaint earlier in the week and involved the reporter Mark Willersey,
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  Speaker 3: who we've previously focused on because his reporting for the
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  Speaker 3: seven point thirty show had seen the ABC caught out
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  Speaker 3: badly for re editing vision and audio, changing the order
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  Speaker 3: of events and adding additional gunshots to suggest that footage
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  Speaker 3: of our soldiers shooting at suspected terrorists in Afghanistan was
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  Speaker 3: actually our soldiers murdering innocent civilians. This was disgraceful stuff
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  Speaker 3: and it was forensically unpicked by Afghanistan veteran Heston Russell.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC Initiative initiated its an investigation into that and
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  Speaker 3: they found that this dodgy editing happened, but it declared
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  Speaker 3: that this was not deliberate. It was all an accident.
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  Speaker 3: The official report said there was no evidence anyone at
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  Speaker 3: the ABC reporter, producer, editors or anyone at higher levels
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  Speaker 3: deliberately dockted, falsified, manipulated or distorted information material or evidence
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  Speaker 3: in order to mislead audiences.
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  Speaker 4: But it did happen.
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  Speaker 3: The edits did happen, and the ABC apologized and it took.
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  Speaker 4: Down the video.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, back to the War Memorial issue, which was also
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  Speaker 3: a story put together by Willison, and this time he
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  Speaker 3: was reporting for four Corners. Now the complaint was actually
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  Speaker 3: made by the War Memorial chairman, that's the former Labor
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  Speaker 3: leader and Defense Minister Kim Beasley. There were a number
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  Speaker 3: of issues raised, but the one that we focused on
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  Speaker 3: was the way the ABC used audio of the last
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  Speaker 3: post over construction footage, which could have given the impression
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  Speaker 3: that construction work was carrying on during a last post ceremony.
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  Speaker 4: Have a look.
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  Speaker 11: The inheritors of Charles Bean's simple solemn vision are now
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  Speaker 11: massively expanding the memorial. This place of commemoration is also
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  Speaker 11: a construction site.
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  Speaker 3: You've seen it. You make up your own mind. The
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  Speaker 3: ABC's onboardsman has looked at this and they've dismissed the complaint,
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  Speaker 3: declaring that four Corners was correct, that no reasonable viewer
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  Speaker 3: would interpret this series of scenes as a continuous sequence,
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  Speaker 3: even a viewer who might have got the impression that
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  Speaker 3: the recording of the last Post was live audio from
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  Speaker 3: the ceremony in the first or second scene, would have
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  Speaker 3: understood that it was then borrowed as a unifying musical
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  Speaker 3: soundtrack for the following related but separate scenes. It follows
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  Speaker 3: that the episode did not suggest that construction noise from
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  Speaker 3: the development site had disrupted a last post ceremony. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I say, buncom the ABC Onwardsman's Surprise surprise has been
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  Speaker 3: too eager to clear the ABC. Are they suggesting that
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  Speaker 3: Beasley and others at the War Memorial are not reasonable viewers?
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  Speaker 3: But get this, The ABC has now sent a complaint
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  Speaker 3: to us here at Sky News complaining about the way
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  Speaker 3: that I've highlighted this complaint.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, give me a break.
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  Speaker 3: Don't they have anything better to do, like perhaps get
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  Speaker 3: their own house in order?
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  Speaker 4: Now, I've not claimed that.
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  Speaker 3: This was deliberately misleading by four Corners, and WILLI see
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  Speaker 3: they may well have simply been using that music to
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  Speaker 3: bind their story together, But I reckon this sequence clearly
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  Speaker 3: would have given the impression to some viewers that construction
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  Speaker 3: work was banging on while the Last Post was being played,
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  Speaker 3: and the War Memorial was quite within its rights to
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  Speaker 3: complain about that, and demand that it's made it's ABC
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  Speaker 3: viewers that this had not happened, and in fact they
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  Speaker 3: say it would never happen. The War Memorials director Matt
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  Speaker 3: Anderson said, we are disappointed, but not surprised by the
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  Speaker 3: ABC on Woodsman ruling, and they're marking their own homework.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC loves to bag our defense forces and defense personnel,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't it. We've seen that time and time again, and
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  Speaker 3: now they've turned their sights on the War memorial They
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  Speaker 3: should be more careful about the impression they give, especially
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  Speaker 3: when they fiddle around with audio and pictures in a
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  Speaker 3: way that could give a false impression. Let's go to
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  Speaker 3: Shadow Resources Minister Susan McDonald now who joins me from
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  Speaker 3: Klong Curry in Queensland.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Susan, the.
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  Speaker 12: Heart of the great Northwest Minerals Province, Chrits great to
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  Speaker 12: be with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to get your take on the debate
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  Speaker 3: last night Anthony Albanezi would not tell us when power
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  Speaker 3: prices will be going down. How long would it take
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  Speaker 3: for you to get power prices going down?
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  Speaker 12: Well, we have a plan for getting prices going down,
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  Speaker 12: and the first thing is is to step back from
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  Speaker 12: labour's crazy rush to this all eggs in one basket
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  Speaker 12: renewables only program that's driving small business to the wall.
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  Speaker 12: Families too to have to choose.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know how about it is.
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  Speaker 3: But we're talking about getting more gas into the system.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously nuclear is long way down the track. How quickly
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  Speaker 3: getting gas into the system can prices start to go down.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll believe we'll have more gas into the system
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  Speaker 12: by the end of this year, which means that manufacturing
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  Speaker 12: costs immediately fall, household use of gas immediately falls, and
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  Speaker 12: then the electricity usage by gas also starts to fall.
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  Speaker 12: So this is a very immediate plan.
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  Speaker 3: So by the end of the year we could see
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  Speaker 3: an impact on electricity prices actually falling or rising less deeply.
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  Speaker 12: Rising less deeply would be the first point. And using gas,
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  Speaker 12: which is about seventeen percent of gas goes into the
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  Speaker 12: electricity market. So the big places that will immediately see
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  Speaker 12: an impact is businesses that use gas for their manufacturing
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  Speaker 12: and for employing people. We're seeing our businesses go offshore
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  Speaker 12: right now, so that is a really important immediate impact.
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  Speaker 12: And for households, they will start to see the pressure
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  Speaker 12: of constantly increasing electricity prices come away now.
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  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has told the Australian newspaper that he'd like
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  Speaker 3: to index our taxation brackets, get rid of bracket creeper forever.
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  Speaker 4: Why didn't you take that policy to this election?
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  Speaker 12: Well, I guess that's life, isn't it. That you're constantly
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  Speaker 12: reviewing the mix of policies that are the best for
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  Speaker 12: the country. When we didn't have a productivity crisis previously,
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  Speaker 12: we do now and bracket creep certainly puts a handbrake
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  Speaker 12: on productivity increases when you see workers decide not to
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  Speaker 12: take over time because they know that they will pay
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  Speaker 12: more tax as part of that. So I think it's
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  Speaker 12: a terrific announcement. It's one that will be welcomed across
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  Speaker 12: the board.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me jump in again. Let me jump in
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  Speaker 3: against Susan. I think we all agree with that. I
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  Speaker 3: think most Australians would welcome the indexing of tax brackets
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  Speaker 3: tax rates because getting rid of that bracket creep would
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  Speaker 3: be great for taxpayers.
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  Speaker 4: But it is a good idea.
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  Speaker 3: Some of us talked about it in the lead up
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  Speaker 3: to this election. Why didn't you take it to this
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  Speaker 3: election rather than just leave it for something in the future.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think one of the things that we have
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  Speaker 12: to recognize, unfortunately, is that labor has had had such
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  Speaker 12: antiminding and anti resources policies that our very income stread
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  Speaker 12: it allows us to make the sort of tax changes
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  Speaker 12: that we're talking about, is under threat. And so we
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  Speaker 12: have made announcements on being turbocharging investment back into mining,
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  Speaker 12: into exploration, into drilling, into new minds, because at the
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  Speaker 12: moment Chris Mining companies investors are saying, we just don't
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  Speaker 12: see the point at it. Electricity prices, power prices are
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  Speaker 12: so high. We have to be able to pay the
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  Speaker 12: bills for these sort of changes, and that's why we
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  Speaker 12: have to attack the very terrible structural damage that labor
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  Speaker 12: has done to our economy in only three short years.
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  Speaker 4: So your answer is that we can't afford to do
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  Speaker 4: this now.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think it's all part of the mix, isn't
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  Speaker 12: it is that labor has driven us into collapsing standard
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  Speaker 12: of living, of falling income take from mining and taxes,
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  Speaker 12: and so in order to introduce new reforms, we have
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  Speaker 12: to do it in a timely manner.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's the sense.
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  Speaker 3: Of dollars, there's billions of dollars in tax breaks in
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  Speaker 3: this election from the coalition. There's the twenty five cents
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  Speaker 3: of leader cut and fuel excise, and there's the twelve
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  Speaker 3: hundred dollar tax offset that will go to millions of people.
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  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you have perhaps put.
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  Speaker 3: Them to the site and looked at indexing taxation rates instead.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think that the fuel tax cut has been
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  Speaker 12: incredibly warmly welcome because that is immediate that goes straight
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  Speaker 12: into people's wallets, allows them to make choices about going
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  Speaker 12: to the doctor or paying food bills rather than to
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  Speaker 12: give it to the government in a tax excise a
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  Speaker 12: fuel excise. So I think that's smart. That is immediate relief.
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  Speaker 12: People are embracing the idea and whether it be families
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: or small business or transport companies, everybody sees the common
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: sense in cutting that immediately. They can see it at
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: the bows, so they can measure it in their own
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: pockets and they can get it now. Remember that a
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: tax break is something that you only get at the
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: end of the year when you put in your tax return.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks for joining us, Susan. I appreciate you joining us.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Susan McDonald, the Shadow Resources Minister, joining us there from
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: klon Curry in Queensland. Let's catch up with Joel Fitzgibbon,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: now the form of Defenseman. So he joins us from
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: the Hunter Valley in New South Wales from Sess Not
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: good to talk to your Jola. Presuming you got to
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: see that debate last night, What did you make of it?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Who did you think come out on top?
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: I'm one of the very small minority of Australian people, Chris,
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: that never misses a debate. I did my own survey today.
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: Everyone I ran into I asked, you know, did you
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: watch the debate last night? And I did not find one.
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: And to that extent, unless there's a very very big
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: mistake by one of the players, they don't matter much.
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: But I thought they both quit themselves pretty well. They
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: stayed on a message. The gloves arin a couple of times.
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: That provides a bit of entertainment. But I just don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: think you click these debates meaning all that much in
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: the end, unless, as I said, there's a big error
• 21:50
  Speaker 13: by one one player or the other.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have the whole the nation tuning into
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: them like they did once upon a time. This is
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: we now have election campaigns driven.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: By ins for crying out loud.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: It's part of the reason we're in this malaise, I suppose.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: But surely you must be worried.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: From Anthony Albernizi's point of view, He's had to spend
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of time today clearing up this falsehood.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: He put forward, this.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Lie that his government had not asked for any advice
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: on negative gearing. It had just been put to them
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: by Treasury because Jim Charmers, is that to clarify today again, Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: he did ask for this advice.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: This is something that he sought.
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: I'll tell you what really worries mecrease as the share
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: of the primary vote declines for the major parties. Reform
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: is looking more and more difficult, and we're desperately in
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: need of reform in this country. But now, not only
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: are the politicians going to progress real structural reform and
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: reformist for example, which incentivize our tax system, or make
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: our tax system more internationally competitive, or deal with revenue
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: the expense demands on the country by raising more money
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: through the taxation system. Not only is that too hard
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: now you're not going to be game enough to even
• 23:11
  Speaker 13: ask Treasury for the numbers and for the modeling in
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: case you know someone's going to accuse you of doing
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: something you haven't already done time policy development in this country.
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: That's that's what really worries me.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. But but no one's
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: been more forthright in going down this path of scare
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: campaigns and the like than the Labor Party.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: And last night.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Albou got caught out.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Let's have a look at it here again. Was it modeled?
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: It certainly wasn't commissioned by us to do so.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: It was modeled by the government. It was publicly it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: publicly available that this Prime Minister has a problem with
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: the truth.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: He said they didn't commission it. Now his own treasurer
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: has said, yeah, they asked for it. They asked for
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: this advice.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Surely, if you, as you say, you really want to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: push on for reform, Olbow's actually got to be honest
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: about the fact that they wanted advice on this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: Well, I just readly enforced the point. Obviously there's been
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: a fair of nuance there, I'll call it. But why
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: is this necessary? Where have we? Where are we in
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: modern politics or in modern democracy when people aren't even
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: prepared to be very clear that they've asked for modeling
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: on a tax matterer so that they can sensibly give
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: consideration to it. When we've reached that point, we've got
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: a problem.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Chres, Well, we are at that point. We do have
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a problem.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: There's more of that today around taxation reform and the
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: like them, and the ideal world, of course, would be
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: in certain you would agree someone like John Howard coming
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: up with a massive tax reform plan like a GST
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and actually taking it to an election and trying to
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: advocate for it and win the argument.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: Absolutely. And when John Howell did that for major parties
• 24:57
  Speaker 13: shared about eighty percent of the primary vote the last
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: selection at sixty eight. The rise and the proliferation of
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: minor parties and independence is making policy reform very difficult.
• 25:07
  Speaker 13: And what we need, I think at the parliamentary level
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: is cultural reformer. The hyperpartisanship at least on some matters
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: has to come to an end otherwise we'll never do
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: anything in the reform.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Since that is a very fair big picture point, but
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it doesn't get to the day to day contest of
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: this election campaign. I given you a labor man. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: thought I'd better show you one of Peter Dutton's low
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: lights from last night. This is when he had to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: admit his era over the Russia Indonesia issue.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Have a look, do you admit you got that wrong?
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: Well, David, the reference I was making was shouldn't have
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: been to the president. That was in relation to sources
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: from the Proboo government. So was that a mistake.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: It was a mistake.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: He admitted the mistake. He should move on. But Labour's
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: been going hard on that all day too.
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: Got as they will in modern politics, Chris, you and
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: I both know that. But Peter's mistake and he's recognized
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: it and admitted to it. He's symptomatic of someone who
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: he's slipping in the campaign and you'll start to grab
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: onto anything and everything that might change the momentum for you.
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: So an understandable mistake, but a bad one nonetheless.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Just very quickly. It's been a lackluster campaign. I think
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: we all agree on that. Going into the East to
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: break now it's going to really hamper the efforts of
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: both sides to really capture everyone's imagination.
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: Yeah, the ectriate will go further to sleep. They've been
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: disengaged for the whole of the campaign, and they're not
• 26:33
  Speaker 13: going to engage over that period, so there'll be a
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: sort of one week in the final run, which provides
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: an opportunity to get their attention. But look, I think
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: you can be pretty sure about one thing now or
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: two things. I don't believe pedicn secure a majority. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: no longer think he can secure more seats than Anthony Alberezi.
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: But I'm still not convinced that Alba has his well
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: positions still to secure seventy six votes or more. So
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: I still believe it's hard to call, and two weeks
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: is in eternity and politics. But I sadly believe that
• 27:10
  Speaker 13: we are still heading for a hung parliament.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your position at the moment, Still heading for
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: a hung parliament and minority government, which I'll see you
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: have a good easter.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Joe will catch up with you next week.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Joel fits given they're the former labor defense minister, we've
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: got to take a break to on the other side
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: of that, going to talk about this British court deciding
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: that women, well they are what we've always thought they
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: are women.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: This is the world we live in. Hey, this is
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: big news.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: The UK's Supreme Court has been forced to answer the
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: question what is a woman? The answer is pretty straightforward
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: to most reasonable people, but it's taken several months and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: are whopping eighty eight page judgment for the court to
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: come up with the answer. Here's the latest from sky
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: News UK.
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: What is a woman? Eyes on the answer to that
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: the central sensitive question. Judges at the highest civil court
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: in the land were tasked with answering.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: woman and sex in the Equality Act twenty ten refer
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: to a biological woman.
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: It was a case brought by these campaigners who sought
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: clarity on the law. It has been a noisy, polarizing
• 28:32
  Speaker 14: debate stretching back years. This got his Parliament's plans to
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: make it easier to change gender were blocked and controversy
• 28:39
  Speaker 14: swirled around a double rapist housed in a women's jail.
• 28:43
  Speaker 14: But this case was about examining the law and who
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: can enter single sex spaces.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Well, let's go to Queensland now and catch up with
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Seal Gravia. She's the founder of Giggle, a female only
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: social network. Thanks for joining us CEL. You've been campaigning
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: on these issues for a long while. It seems so obvious,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: it seems so logical, but we could see from that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Report the elation in the courtroom.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: It's in a momentous victory for people trying to protect
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the rights of women and girls.
• 29:14
  Speaker 15: I mean, when you have been in this space for
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: such a long time, I've been doing it for five years,
• 29:18
  Speaker 15: and there's been women who've been doing it for far
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: longer than I have. But you are literally just saying
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: that men are not women, and you have to go
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: to the extent of the Supreme Court or in Australia,
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: the Federal Court, and the expense of that, and to
• 29:33
  Speaker 15: finally have someone say, yeah, men.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Are not women.
• 29:37
  Speaker 15: I can't even describe the feeling of just finally hearing
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: one powerful institution actually confirm reality. It's just it's so welcome,
• 29:47
  Speaker 15: and it just makes you makes you incredibly hopeful, not
• 29:51
  Speaker 15: only just for obviously for women's rights, but I'm very
• 29:55
  Speaker 15: hopeful that.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: That people who are watching will start.
• 29:58
  Speaker 15: To maybe engage with the issue you a little bit
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: more if they haven't been, and actually understand what has
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: been at steep here. And it's never been about heat,
• 30:05
  Speaker 15: it's never been about any kind of phobia. It has
• 30:08
  Speaker 15: literally been about the fact that there is a truth
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: and there's reality, and that there is one. You cannot
• 30:14
  Speaker 15: have a demographic of people just take away the rights
• 30:16
  Speaker 15: of another demo demographic of people. That's not how human
• 30:19
  Speaker 15: rights work.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's so important in defending the rights of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: people who otherwise would be disadvantaged. Now, the sport is
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: an issue we've looked at in the past, but this case,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the genesis of this case, demonstrates the point precisely right.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Because the government in Scotland has these quotas.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: We're all familiar with gender.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Quotas, you know, I want fifty percent of women in
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Parliament or fifty percent of women on major boards or whatever,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and they were looking to count transwomen in the women's quota.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: In other words, biological men who because they identify as women,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: were helping to make up these quotas.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: So quite quick.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Clearly, in a case like that, you're undermining the rights
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: of women. You're taking away their chance to fill those
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: quotas by people who identify only as women. So it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: very important that the consequences of this in so many spheres,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: isn't it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: I mean, obviously I come at this from a woman's
• 31:15
  Speaker 15: rights perspective and female only spaces. It's how I was
• 31:18
  Speaker 15: brought into it. But I do think it's important to
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: stress it really isn't just women's rights. Men have the
• 31:23
  Speaker 15: right to single sex spaces as well, and men also
• 31:26
  Speaker 15: have the right to say that's a man.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And if you are putting it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: In law that men can be women or women can
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: be men, and then you have to agree with that
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: at a fear of punishment, it means that everyone else
• 31:38
  Speaker 15: in society is giving up some of our most basic freedoms,
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: our most basic rights, in order to validate some very
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: very delusional people. So this is a common sense decision
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: that has happened today that hopefully will ripple through the
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: rest of the Commonwealth because both see Canada and Australia,
• 31:59
  Speaker 15: I would argue two of the most captured countries in
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: the world. And how the law is in Australia at
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: the moment. I mean, Albanizi is constantly going on about
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: how he has so many women in his government, but
• 32:11
  Speaker 15: it's the Labor government who took out the definition of
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: women in the Sex Discrimination Act, and he could have
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: a thousand men in his government claiming to be women,
• 32:19
  Speaker 15: and he would have no choice but to sit there
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: and say that there is a quality. That's how stupid
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: it actually is.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Now, just briefly, you're campaigning against gender neutral toilets in
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: public schools in this country as well.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Is that for the same sorts of reasons one.
• 32:33
  Speaker 15: Hundred percent, I mean single sex spaces, especially for toilets
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: and change rooms and things like that, actually exist for
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: a reason. It wasn't just for fun or for any
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: kind of validation. It actually is about safety, privacy and dignity.
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: In other parts of the world, especially in the developing world,
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: where they want to get girls into education, they are
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: building more female only facilities to ensure that happens, because
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: the data is in. Women need female only space is
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: for safety, and boys need it for dignity as well.
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: When boys and girls are different, we need things for
• 33:07
  Speaker 15: different reasons. At the moment, in schools where there are
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: only gender neutral bathrooms, she's hearing this in Australia. In
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: the UK, girls aren't going to the bathroom during the
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: school day. It's dangerous.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what a shocking situation.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: No one wants this.
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: Men don't want to have gender neutral spaces where women
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: and young girls can be in there while they're doing
• 33:28
  Speaker 15: their thing like a decent man who's never to be
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: in that position. So none of this works for anyone,
• 33:34
  Speaker 15: and it is time for Australia to get with the
• 33:36
  Speaker 15: program because we are being left behind on this issue.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's all a matter of common sense. Thanks so
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: much for joining us. Sal Grover there, who's been a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: fantastic campaigner on these issues. And now a beacon of
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: light has been lit up by the Supreme Court in
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the UK.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: We're going to go to a break again.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I're going to catch up with
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the liberal former Foreign Minister Alexander down I get his
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: take on Russia and his defense dealings with our Indonesian neighbors.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Let's deal have again into the troubling strategic development with
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the Russian military looking to base aircraft in Indonesia across
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: to former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer in the US and
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I asked him about how worrying this is for our region.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Well, it would be of concern to Australia.
• 34:24
  Speaker 16: And I think this is a case of the old
• 34:26
  Speaker 16: cliche there's no smoke without fire, that there's clearly some
• 34:32
  Speaker 16: evidence that the Russians have asked the Indonesians if they
• 34:36
  Speaker 16: could use this island just to the north of West
• 34:40
  Speaker 16: Pubwa be Our Island as a staging post, if not
• 34:46
  Speaker 16: more than that, for their aircraft, and who knows what
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: the Indonesians have said.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: They're obviously being very discreet about it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: But I think first of all, there's truth to it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 16: It is a worry because not that Russia itself is
• 35:04
  Speaker 16: going to be a threat, but Russia working with China
• 35:10
  Speaker 16: is able to fill gaps that China itself can't filled.
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: So the Indonesians are definitely not going to allow China
• 35:18
  Speaker 16: to base aircraft in Indonesia, but allowing Russia to use
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: Indonesian military airports would be a much more sensible way
• 35:31
  Speaker 16: of handling what will in the end be an enhancement
• 35:35
  Speaker 16: of Russia. Russia and China's strategic interest in the region.
• 35:40
  Speaker 16: So I mean, I think it sounds like a clever
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: plan by the Chinese and the Russians, and I think
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: there must be some truth to it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's extraordinary.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Wily when we have a look at Janes, the media
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: organization to put the story out, their statements says that
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: they stand by the story. It is accurate that the
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: story was written following weeks of speaking to World Place
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: sources in the Indonesian government, and of course the Indonesian
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Foreign Ministry says that it has never granted permission to
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: any country to build or possess a military base in Indonesia.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: So they say it's not happening.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: But Russian, of course, their ambassador said military cooperation is
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: an integral part of the intergovernmental relations between the Russian
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Federation and the Republic of Indonesia.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: So not really denying that these.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Discussions have taken place. It's clear, as you say that
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: there is smoke here that there is something going on.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: To me, the quandary is why Indonesia would even entertain
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: these negotiations. As you say, they wouldn't want China in
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: their archipelago, why would they perhaps be prepared to tolerate Russia.
• 36:51
  Speaker 16: Well, the other thing is, look very carefully at the
• 36:54
  Speaker 16: words that are being used. Are they agreeing to Russia
• 36:59
  Speaker 16: established a permanent base in Indonesia. I think the answer
• 37:04
  Speaker 16: to that would be that Russia not asked for that,
• 37:08
  Speaker 16: and so they're saying they haven't done that. Well, fair enough,
• 37:11
  Speaker 16: I accept that, by the way, but Russia would have
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: asked something different.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Russia would have asked.
• 37:19
  Speaker 16: Can we use Indonesia and Indonesian military base for our
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: aircraft from time to time as staging posts whatever they
• 37:31
  Speaker 16: might want to use them for. And my guess is
• 37:33
  Speaker 16: that the Indonesians have said yes to that. But that
• 37:37
  Speaker 16: question isn't put to the Indonesian Foreign Ministry, just the
• 37:41
  Speaker 16: question about the base.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to make one other point about this.
• 37:45
  Speaker 16: What strikes me is incredible is how thin the relationship
• 37:52
  Speaker 16: today is between the Australian government and the Indonesian government.
• 37:58
  Speaker 16: This would never have happened in our time because we
• 38:01
  Speaker 16: had such intimate relationships with people like President Judio and
• 38:07
  Speaker 16: Hassan We're you to the Foreign Minister or the boy Malialatas.
• 38:13
  Speaker 16: We were always in touch with each other, always visiting
• 38:17
  Speaker 16: each other.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: This sort of issue would never have arisen.
• 38:23
  Speaker 16: But you can see how remote the current Australian government
• 38:28
  Speaker 16: is from the Indonesian government. They've not invested the time,
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: or the energy or the diplomacy in cementing that relationship,
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: which had such good foundations.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Well, it's even worse than that I would have thought,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: because this has come up during the election campaign and
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberanizi and the Deaput Prime Minister Richard Miles. They
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: seem more intent on criticizing Peter Dutton because he misspoke
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: about the source of this story, even though he got.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: The substance of it right.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: They seem more intent on scoring those sort of partisan
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: political reports than actually addressing this serious issue because it
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: does really affect our strategic interest and the stability of
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: this region. I want to while you're there in California,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: give us your take on the election campaign less than
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: three weeks to go. What do you make of it
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and what are the chances of Peter Dutton pulling something
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: out of the fire here?
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  Speaker 16: Well, as I said in California, it's not the best
• 39:29
  Speaker 16: place to view the election from.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But before I left Australia and look, I.
• 39:36
  Speaker 16: Think it's always possible that even after one term of
• 39:42
  Speaker 16: a Labor government that Peter Dutton and his Liberals could win,
• 39:46
  Speaker 16: and it's an indictment of the Albanese government that that
• 39:50
  Speaker 16: would even be a question after just three years. But
• 39:55
  Speaker 16: to win for Peter Dutton, he starts off inevitably is
• 39:59
  Speaker 16: the underdog in this. It's really important that they consolidate
• 40:04
  Speaker 16: their policies, they get out their message about their policies,
• 40:09
  Speaker 16: about their assistance to people struggling with the cost of
• 40:14
  Speaker 16: living crisis. I think making very positive messages, not just
• 40:21
  Speaker 16: the negative messages about labor is important for them now because.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows Labour's record.
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: People are not impressed with the Arbnizi government, but they
• 40:33
  Speaker 16: want to be convinced that the Liberals would do a
• 40:35
  Speaker 16: better job. So that is the challenge for them now,
• 40:39
  Speaker 16: and not just for Dotton but for his shadow ministers
• 40:43
  Speaker 16: who need to get out there more than they have done.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where are the rest of the team? Good point,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander, Pleasure, Chris.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, of course it's the party machines that really want
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: to try and keep everybody else out of the debate
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: and leave it folks on the leader.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: But yeah, maybe we need to hear more from some
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: of the others.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: We'll catch up after the break with Tim Blair and
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson will pick our way through the campaign highlights
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: and lowlights of the week. Okay, let's sort this selection
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: campaign out now with the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair and Mark.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Nicholson from step Mate Studios. Good to talk to you
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: both this week.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, tim, It's been such an inspiring and swashbuckling
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: election campaign so far. It seems a pity that Easter
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: is now going to destroy all the momentum.
• 41:35
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I know, right, we're replacing we were replacing all
• 41:37
  Speaker 17: of this fun and delight and deliciousness with chocolate. What
• 41:42
  Speaker 17: a bad trade really, But this might actually be the
• 41:45
  Speaker 17: most perfectly timed Easter, you know, in the odd two
• 41:48
  Speaker 17: thousands or so years. It's everyone just needs a break,
• 41:51
  Speaker 17: not only from the year we've had so far, but
• 41:53
  Speaker 17: from the collection camp and we've had so far ideally
• 41:56
  Speaker 17: timed bank speed to the powers.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark the election campaign Sofa reminds me of a
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: bunch of Easter eggs I won in about Grade three
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: in a raffle when we left him in the backseat
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: of the car and they all melted.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a decent metaphor.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I'm on the opposite side. I actually want more of
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: this campaign. I want more of it because I feel
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: like the more the more we roll out, the more
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: we can see the real Alban Easy and the team
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: come out. He might give the coalition a bit more
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: of a chance to come out and put a bit
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: of a fight on. I'm a bit spilled. I wish
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: wouldn't come. I'd like more election police.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you want more important issues like this discussed.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I have a bit of a tradition of watching a
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Star Wars movie.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I made the fourth.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: I actually put a lot of Veggiemt on my toast
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: when I ate bread. Lewis the covertle hulls his birthday
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: parties there every year on the first Green and fair Way.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: Good Lord, Timmy, it would be good if albou was toast.
• 43:03
  Speaker 17: Does not eat bread anymore. This is a slight revelation,
• 43:06
  Speaker 17: but I'm not sure that the depth and gravity of
• 43:09
  Speaker 17: a person's vegimite consumption is previously being covered in an
• 43:16
  Speaker 17: election Cammo, I don't think anyone remembers what golf was
• 43:18
  Speaker 17: up to with veggiemte. I'm going to look up Handsart
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: on this one. I do apologize.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to be fair, there was some story about vegie
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: might being banned in the Canadian cafe. But Mark, it
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: just goes to the point that he does these presses,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and he dribbles on a bit, and sure they go
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: for a long while. There's a lot of questions that's good,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: but he dribbles on so much, and he always wanders
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: off into these cutesy little anecdotes as if that's why
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: we want him around as our beloved prime minister.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: That's what Chris, that's what I'm thinking. You're you are
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: the easter bunny here. You are giving everyone the treats
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: here by sharing these clips, because this is what people
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: need to see, people like us who were politically engaged
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: watching these press conferences and going, how is.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: He the favorite? How is he getting paid?
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: He's a dollar.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Twenty two Chris's he's gone, he's even more of a
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: favorite now. Yet he's standing there talking about, oh it
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: slab the vegimite on my toast, and he's tak and
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: then the three point three million people are in poverty
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: and they can't they literally can't afford a jarrevegimite because
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it's ten bucks. Because of this mob, Like, there are
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: real problems going in this country and we've got a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: bloke talking about his favorite lighte saber.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: That's what we've got.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: That's what we're doing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: The more we see of this, I think that the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: more it's going to turn around, Because he's a national embarrassment.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Boys.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: He does make me feel a little better about myself
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: because Albo and I are around the same age, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I always feel like a technological klutz, right, But I
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: can manage to speak on my car on the phone
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: in my car by using a Bluetooth connection, and I
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: have used Wi Fi and emails and the like how
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: on aeroplanes, But all of this technology where you can
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: be in transit and still in communication with people seems
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: to have escaped alboth have a look.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: As you're aware.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: As you're aware, I've been traveling from Hobart.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: To here with you or on a different.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Plane, but at the same time I've been traveling in
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: the car, so I haven't been advised about that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: I've been here in Melbourne, so.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: No, I have not tim They've got to find a
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: way of getting information to Albow whenever he's moving or
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Apparently he can't find out anything.
• 45:37
  Speaker 17: I think we've all experienced the great that's great blockout
• 45:40
  Speaker 17: happens when you're getting down to Hobart and all communication seasons.
• 45:46
  Speaker 17: But actually explain a lot about Launchested. It is a
• 45:50
  Speaker 17: hell of an excuse, but it might resonate with a
• 45:52
  Speaker 17: certain small sector of the community that isn't on the internet.
• 45:55
  Speaker 17: Whoever those people are. I was just thinking before, but
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: he was raving on about unrelated subjects and just sort
• 46:02
  Speaker 17: of you know, just free free forming. It is he
• 46:07
  Speaker 17: getting closer to where Joe Biden was at one point,
• 46:10
  Speaker 17: Remember Joe Biden won Easter at the White House, had
• 46:12
  Speaker 17: to be rescued by the Easter Bunny. Someone read it
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: as the bund actually came up to him and sort
• 46:19
  Speaker 17: of nudged Biden aside. But he began talking to some
• 46:22
  Speaker 17: talking to some visitors, and in that stage it was
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: actual the Easter Bunny that was the statesman and Biden
• 46:28
  Speaker 17: was the comic relief. So maybe maybe we know that,
• 46:32
  Speaker 17: we know that Albow is a great admirer of the
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: former US president. Trending down that path, we should pay
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: close attention.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe his office, Mark could give him an Easter gift
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: a mobile phone.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe a three G SIM something like that.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: It's is the Prime Minister of Australia. What's the least
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: you could expect. But this is what I mean by
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: this is him dodging. He dodges every question. These are
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: serious national concerns, you know, national security concerns, or we're
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: talking about something that he absolutely we should be commenting on.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: But no, I'll spend twenty minutes talking about my kavoodle's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: favorite chew toy, but we won't talk about what's going
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: on about Chinese ships in the water. We're just going
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: to dodge and weave these ones. But we'll answer all
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: these dumb questions and we'll go on for twenty minutes.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: This is what I mean.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: It's embarrassing and that's wrong.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I got to show you what you said. The Price
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: said last weekend. We know she got hammered by the
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: left for daring to say this.
• 47:25
  Speaker 16: Have a look.
• 47:27
  Speaker 12: I'm so proud to be able to stand beside and
• 47:30
  Speaker 12: to ensure that we can make Australia great again.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Well this was terrible, tim apparently horrible, terrible Trumpian thing
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: to do make Australia great again. One viewer's emailed me
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: and says she actually uses that phrase in her book.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: She wants to help make Australia great again. Then I
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: think our great mate Johannah Leek absolutely nailed it in
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: The Australian with this cartoon. He's got elbow opens up
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: on stage and he's saying that, don't you worry, he
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: would never ever make Australia great again.
• 48:03
  Speaker 17: It's ridiculous. I mean, it was ridiculous in the US
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: in the first instance that Trump wanting America to be
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: great again was regarded as such an offensive and terrible thing,
• 48:13
  Speaker 17: and now it's offensive that it enter Price says it
• 48:15
  Speaker 17: about Australia. It is the most vanilla of sentiments, really,
• 48:20
  Speaker 17: I mean, it's what everyone wants. We want greatness in
• 48:23
  Speaker 17: our nations. We want them to be as good as
• 48:25
  Speaker 17: we remember them being. And for people to get upset
• 48:28
  Speaker 17: by it well, as Johannas indicates, they presumably want the opposite.
• 48:33
  Speaker 17: They want a lack of greatness, on removal of greatness.
• 48:35
  Speaker 17: They want to make Australia and the United States terrible again.
• 48:39
  Speaker 17: It's not going to happen. We're trying to turn it around.
• 48:41
  Speaker 17: We'll do it best.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: You see one person who doesn't mind saying this is
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen.
• 48:48
  Speaker 18: Just Enterprise in a press conference come out and said
• 48:51
  Speaker 18: make Australia great again. Her fearless leader David Little Proud,
• 48:54
  Speaker 18: leader of the National Party, and an interview said, oh
• 48:57
  Speaker 18: my god, it was a slip of the tongue.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: What give me a break?
• 49:02
  Speaker 18: I will scream it from the rooftops. Make Australia great gain.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: There could be a good cartoon in this one.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Mark, Hey, this is what we've been doing for three years,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: is trying to tell people Pauline's a legend. She's actually
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: a legend. This is actually the real Pauline as well.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: And I've seen it. I've seen it. I've been fortunate
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: enough to be around her. She literally does put everything
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: through the vector of will this be in the best
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: interests of the country, what's for the best of the country.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I honestly think if you if you're if you're a
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: person with an appetite for a conservative revolution, Pauline and
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: one nation and the only place you can put your
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: vote at this point, to be honest, but you could
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: actually see her fighting with Trump, waving her finger at
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: it like she does with you, Chris and me. She'd
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: raised her finger at everyone. She loves a blue She'll give.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: She'd make Trump blush.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: You can see it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: She's the best.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: A couple of fiery redheads battling it out over the magas.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us market, Tim, great stuff will catch
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: up with you next week. The time for just a
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: little bit of your feedback last night about the album's
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: in his lack of responsibility. One viewer says, so true, Chris,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: He's not responsible for anything, and Carl says people need
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: to start using their brains. Albow is a danger to
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Australian society.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: It's been a week.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think I could say it was a particularly
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: eventful one. Have a great and happy Easter there, and
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: let's hope everything fires up next Monday.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: I'll see you at five o'clock. Here's Peter