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Paint the Town Red · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast today.
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  Speaker 2: This week we had two episodes of Joey season, so
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  Speaker 2: we're here to recap episode five. Ben, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: much to say about this episode, Like, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: many opinions. It's just kind of how it was to me.
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  Speaker 3: Can you can you explain more? Please?
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  Speaker 2: The past couple of weeks have had so many opinions
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  Speaker 2: in so many ways that I feel like we can
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  Speaker 2: interpret this and then like this, I was just like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: nice date, Okay, he really likes her, Okay, Lea is uh.
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  Speaker 4: She's getting cringey.
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  Speaker 2: But like, I don't have a ton to like interpret
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  Speaker 2: except for like maybe again questioning like the whole like
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  Speaker 2: Maria thing because now just doesn't like her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well that's fine, And this is how I
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  Speaker 3: think we're gonna go about this episode. Then I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask you some questions that I want you to answer.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, it's always me on the bought this season.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have to do. We don't have if you
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  Speaker 3: you said you don't have anything to say, and so.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Okay, fine, you're gonna try and make
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  Speaker 2: me have opinions. It's fine, have go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want you to feel on the spot, though,
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  Speaker 2: But like, can I just say that I think he's
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest bachelors ever.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's very I think that's very true.
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  Speaker 2: He is so good, he's good's so easy to watch,
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  Speaker 2: he's so cute, he's smiley, he's engaging. The way he
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  Speaker 2: looks at the girls like it's just I'm sorry to
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  Speaker 2: the past few bachelors, but like this is just such
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  Speaker 2: a breath of fresh air.
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  Speaker 3: No, I completely agree. I think that's why you see
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  Speaker 3: the ratings going up. I think the show is now
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  Speaker 3: going to take a lesson learned and said we cannot
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  Speaker 3: continue like not.
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  Speaker 4: We have to listen to the audience.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. You have to listen to the audience. The
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  Speaker 3: audience actually cares who they're going to be following each
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  Speaker 3: week and who they're going to be rooting for. And
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  Speaker 3: you just can't throw anybody in that spot. And I
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  Speaker 3: hope that you make him likable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's carrying this show. The girls are great,
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  Speaker 2: But you know how a lot of the times they
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  Speaker 2: say like the Bachelor season is carried by the girls.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that he's the star still, oh.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I was just talking to him yesterday
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  Speaker 3: and I told him, well, he had asked if i'd
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  Speaker 3: watch episodes and I said yes, and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you're doing great, man like, and we talked about some
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  Speaker 3: other stuff that I won't get into, but I said, like,
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  Speaker 3: now's the time. And we've talked a lot Joey and
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  Speaker 3: I about what this looks like, like how does he
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  Speaker 3: want this to go forward for him? Not in terms
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  Speaker 3: of opportunity and fame and social media and all that,
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  Speaker 3: but like who is he now to Bachelor Nation? And
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  Speaker 3: how does he want to have a relationship with the
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  Speaker 3: show or not a relationship with the show, and how
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  Speaker 3: does he want to lead? And last night I think
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  Speaker 3: I said the exact line to him. I said, right now,
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  Speaker 3: like you have the really cool opportunity where you are
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  Speaker 3: the leader of this show. It is not the villain,
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  Speaker 3: It is not the most loveled loved character where some
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  Speaker 3: sea since that it. You know, that's who we're kind
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  Speaker 3: of watching and that's who's leading. Said, you are the
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  Speaker 3: leader of this show, and so what are you going
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  Speaker 3: to do with that, you know, how are you going
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  Speaker 3: to care for these people? And uh, he's great. I
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  Speaker 3: mean I've really I you know this off you know, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: I've had some really bad experiences with some recent bachelors
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  Speaker 3: in just terms of how they've you know, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't want them all to reach out if they don't
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  Speaker 3: want my advice or help or support. I don't you
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  Speaker 3: know that that's fine, But just the things they've said,
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  Speaker 3: the decisions they've made, the way they've talked about the experience.
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  Speaker 3: And Joey's like the opposite of all that. He's I
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  Speaker 3: feel really good about what life looks like for him,
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  Speaker 3: and I think this is only going to be a
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  Speaker 3: thing to enhance his life. Yeah, so I've I've enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: I like watching him. I'm a big fan of him.
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy for all of us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy for all of us that we have somebody
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  Speaker 3: who were cheering for And uh, I do have opinions
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  Speaker 3: about this episode. Okay, So I don't want to put
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  Speaker 3: you on the spot. I don't want you to feel
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  Speaker 3: like that, Ashley, because.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of kidding.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I want to know how it feels for
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  Speaker 3: you with watching an episode and now breaking it down
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  Speaker 3: without Sydney here, like, is this a breath of fresh
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  Speaker 3: air for you? Or is it sad for you? Like?
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  Speaker 3: How are you feeling emotionally walking into this recording?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I feel like a pretty relieved.
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  Speaker 2: I feel relieved for Sydney that she's gone and she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to go through watching any more of these
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  Speaker 2: episodes with the audience, And I feel relieved that.
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  Speaker 4: For me and not having to, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, dance try to figure out you had to dance
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  Speaker 2: at what to say, what not to say?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and dance is a good way of putting it, okay,
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  Speaker 4: And then.
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  Speaker 2: I just it's interesting the way that I do feel
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  Speaker 2: like Leah kind of took over for Sydney, sure, but
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  Speaker 2: with a totally different vibe.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So let's break down this episode from really the
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  Speaker 3: start and so this started this episode. I do agree
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  Speaker 3: with you that it didn't have the action as maybe
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  Speaker 3: other episodes this season. We do start with a one
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  Speaker 3: on one date.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't boring. I'll say that it was not.
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  Speaker 3: Boring with Kelsey A in a quick note here, you
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  Speaker 3: know how you know the Bachelor knows it's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a good season.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, does the Bachelor know it's gonna be a good
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  Speaker 4: season is.
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  Speaker 3: When they do two back to back nights, because there's
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  Speaker 3: been seasons where they've never done that because they don't
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  Speaker 3: have enough content to share. I do feel like they
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  Speaker 3: had enough content. This did not feel like they were
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  Speaker 3: stretching out stuff a lot longer than they should have.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like, yeah, it makes sense on why we
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  Speaker 3: needed two nights of The Bachelor this week.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were only eliminating He only eliminated two girls
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  Speaker 2: at the roast ceremony for the past two weeks, two
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  Speaker 2: episodes now, So yeah, it does feel a little bit
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  Speaker 2: stretched out, and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Everything's great, Okay. Kelsey A has the first one on one.
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  Speaker 4: He's obsessed with her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one that we've been looking forward too.
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  Speaker 3: She has been the quiet, confident, you know, top three
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  Speaker 3: or for us since the beginning. You know, there's been
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  Speaker 3: the music playing, the sparkle in their eyes. But we
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen a lot from her, but we see obviously
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  Speaker 3: her and Joey going on one on one this week.
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  Speaker 3: They are in Spain, another beautiful place. If you want
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  Speaker 3: to talk about somebody being lucky, talk about Joey having
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  Speaker 3: the two so far best travel spots of any bachelor ever.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you've never been to Malta. You're just now obsessed
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  Speaker 4: with Malta.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. I want to know.
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  Speaker 4: Spain is obviously beautiful as well.
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  Speaker 3: You went to Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I know you didn't have the best one either.
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  Speaker 2: But Zach had a really good one last year too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah he did. But this is two great spots, very beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Kelsey and Joey go on this date. It is I
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  Speaker 3: would say, exactly what I thought it would meaning. There
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  Speaker 3: is in compared to Yesterday or the Monday's episodes one
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  Speaker 3: on one with Lexi, this night and day, Night and Day,
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to connection in my opinion, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Night and Day.
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  Speaker 2: I was directly comparing them when I was watching, just
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  Speaker 2: because at first I put those two girls very close
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  Speaker 2: together in the rankings. Yeah, and now after saying this
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  Speaker 2: is just totally different.
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  Speaker 3: There is a comfort, there's a flirtation. There is that hey,
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  Speaker 3: I can't keep my hands off of you kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very beautiful day. It does feel like a
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  Speaker 3: front Runner date to me, where she obviously shares the
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  Speaker 3: story of her life and the story of her mother
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  Speaker 3: and I know her mother means so much to her.
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  Speaker 3: You can tell just in the words that she's saying
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  Speaker 3: and the things that she's feeling and thinking. There isn't
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  Speaker 3: for me a lot of Like you know, I always
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  Speaker 3: tend to analyze into these conversations way more than most
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  Speaker 3: people want to or they care to listen to. There
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of analyzation here for me other than
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  Speaker 3: these are two people that probably really care about each
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  Speaker 3: other having a really nice date together.
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  Speaker 2: See That's what I meant at the top of the episode,
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  Speaker 2: and I said there wasn't much to interpret, Like, there
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  Speaker 2: just wasn't much to analyze because everything was just nice, good,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of courage, the sadness of the story.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, isn't it interesting Ashley that every season? You know,
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  Speaker 3: I just spoke at a church in Charlotte last week,
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  Speaker 3: and one of the things that I spoke about, because
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  Speaker 3: of kind of the structure of what the event was,
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  Speaker 3: was every human has a story, and you say that
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  Speaker 3: with words, and sometimes it doesn't fully compute or feel real.
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  Speaker 3: And then yesterday, obviously we talked about the messages Sydney
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  Speaker 3: was receiving, and obviously those messages are coming from people
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  Speaker 3: also experiencing some sort of pain somewhere somehow in their life,
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  Speaker 3: and these contestants, everyone of them. Every season they sit
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  Speaker 3: down and they share their life story, and there's like
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  Speaker 3: it just reminds me of the depth of life, the
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  Speaker 3: good and the bads and the complexities. Everybody has something
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  Speaker 3: that's shaped them to be who they are today, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it takes a lot of courage to share
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  Speaker 3: those things on national television. But I also think it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty incredible to watch because I'm assuming there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people out there who are probably watching Kelsey explain
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  Speaker 3: this to Joey and being like, I'm right there with you,
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  Speaker 3: Like I you know, I've lost my mother, I've lost
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  Speaker 3: my father, I've lost somebody I love, And I'm watching
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  Speaker 3: you do this with confidence but also still trying to
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  Speaker 3: make the best out of your life, and I feel
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  Speaker 3: less alone. I think it's really an incredible piece of
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  Speaker 3: the show that I enjoy that I would argue we
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  Speaker 3: got away from for years. We did not get the
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  Speaker 3: expanse of human story that I want to watch on
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  Speaker 3: this show. Yeah, it was replaced with drama.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've always gotten the story, like the the
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  Speaker 2: they never let these kinds of stories slip.
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  Speaker 3: I feel no, but we would get like maybe two
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  Speaker 3: or three of them a season. Right now, every date
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  Speaker 3: Joey's been on, these women are courageous. They are sharing
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  Speaker 3: their hearts and we're getting to watch it. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying that they haven't been courageous in the past. The
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  Speaker 3: show just hasn't been showing him every year. Remember, we
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  Speaker 3: watch and we say, I feel like I'm not connected
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  Speaker 3: with any of these characters because I don't know him yet.
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  Speaker 3: We're four weeks into this thing, and I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Do, I feel like most of them. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting that I've noticed watching the past
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  Speaker 2: couple episodes is that, like the Bachelor is just always
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  Speaker 2: the conductor in these conversations. I kind of wish that,
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  Speaker 2: like I know it happens at the dinner table, but
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  Speaker 2: I wish that we could see him share some of
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  Speaker 2: his life with the girls as well. It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: assumed that we already feel connected to him, but like,
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  Speaker 2: I would love to get a story from Joey every episode.
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  Speaker 3: I agree like him be vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: We like him so much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe we see that towards the end this year,
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  Speaker 3: as he gets down to the final two or three,
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  Speaker 3: maybe he starts to open up about his life's experiences.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know yet, but I think they're also just
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  Speaker 3: banking on the fact that people love Joey and they
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  Speaker 3: don't really care if they know him or not. They
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  Speaker 3: find him attractive and they have his shirt off a lot,
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  Speaker 3: so it all works out.
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  Speaker 4: He's so Tan, the Tan does him really well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the day with Kelsey goes great, then we
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  Speaker 3: have a group date. Portant note for me in this
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  Speaker 3: moment is I really want to see Kelsey t have
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  Speaker 3: a one on one. Why Because I think she is
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  Speaker 3: awesome and she has been and I think Joey recognizes it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming we'll see one on one next week with her,
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  Speaker 3: But she's been a front runner. She's beautiful, she's charismatic,
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  Speaker 3: she's vulnerable with him, she's trying her best, and I
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  Speaker 3: really do think she's getting that like raw under the
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  Speaker 3: deal where she's just getting pushed back in weeks and weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think he's confident in the relationship enough to
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  Speaker 3: say I don't need to go on one on one
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  Speaker 3: yet to know if I want to keep you or not,
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  Speaker 3: but I really wanted to see her this week. I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited to see her on a one on one. She
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  Speaker 3: is a front runner for me, She's definitely a front runner.
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  Speaker 2: It might be one of those situations where it's like
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  Speaker 2: he really likes her, but then like by the time
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  Speaker 2: he gets to her, it's like too little, too late.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be sad.
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  Speaker 2: I know it'll be sad because I do feel like
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the group and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: half the group hasn't had one on ones, She's the
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  Speaker 2: one in the wings, She's on deck. Definitely, she's the
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  Speaker 2: most obvious one next. I was thinking that she possibly
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  Speaker 2: was going to get it over Rachel this episode, but
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  Speaker 2: I think Rachel getting it first makes sense because we
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  Speaker 2: saw his connection with Rachel first, and I think the
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  Speaker 2: past couple weeks we've seen the Kelsey one continue. But
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  Speaker 2: it definitely looks like she's getting a one on one soon.
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  Speaker 3: If she doesn't, I think it's very confusing for everybody involved.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree with you. I think you have said
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  Speaker 3: some of these women haven't had one on ones. She's
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  Speaker 3: definitely the one that stands out. I know Jess feels
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  Speaker 3: like she desperately needs one on one. She's not gonna
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  Speaker 3: get one.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think she's gonna get one.
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  Speaker 3: She's not gonna get one.
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  Speaker 4: No, she has not getting a one on one written
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  Speaker 4: all over her.
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  Speaker 3: This was the start of her spiral.
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  Speaker 4: This is it.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that he isn't there, He's not feeling it
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  Speaker 2: in this episode. I could tell based on his facial
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  Speaker 2: expression when she was the one that won.
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  Speaker 3: The art date. Yeah, so obviously they have this group date.
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  Speaker 3: Rachel is left back at the house. Everybody else goes
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  Speaker 3: on a group date. It's a cool group date. They
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  Speaker 3: paint again. I think these dates this year have been fun.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't been super awkward to watch. I would let
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  Speaker 3: my you know, teenager watch a lot of these dates.
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  Speaker 3: There isn't like these aren't just like weird, obnoxiously like
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  Speaker 3: gross dates. These are good dates. So they do the
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  Speaker 3: painting and Jess does win it. It's a great painting
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  Speaker 3: she has with a great story. And then they have
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  Speaker 3: some alone time to get there, you know, painting each
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  Speaker 3: other up. It does feel like this was one of
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  Speaker 3: those like Grit and Barrett kind of moments for him,
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  Speaker 3: not because he's not into her, not because she's not great,
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  Speaker 3: but it just doesn't feel as comfortable as some of
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  Speaker 3: the other dates.
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  Speaker 2: Between this and last week the night before is Autumn
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  Speaker 2: getting picked as the winner of the group date. It
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  Speaker 2: really made me feel like, oh, the person that's hosting
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  Speaker 2: the date is choosing the winner for him. There's nothing
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  Speaker 2: about him whispering to producers being like I want it
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  Speaker 2: to be her.
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  Speaker 3: I never got to do that, really, I never got
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  Speaker 3: to say, hey, I mean, sometimes it was obvious it
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  Speaker 3: would be an athletic performance, and.
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  Speaker 2: Well sometimes it's a win, like yeah, because when I
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  Speaker 2: won the tractor date, I actually won the race.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But when it's subjective, like it's it's up to
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  Speaker 3: somebody else, I don't even know who you would have chosen.
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  Speaker 4: Really, yeah, it kind of stinks.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Always considered the winner of the challenge on the group
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  Speaker 2: date to sort of be like the runner up for
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  Speaker 2: the rose the group date, right, Not no.
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  Speaker 3: Not even close.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I knew with Autumn that wasn't the case,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew with Jess that wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 4: So well, thanks for clearing that up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I never I never remember getting any say when
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  Speaker 3: there is a judge or somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I always felt like they were the judges, maybe
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  Speaker 3: were influenced because it would play into a storyline. But
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  Speaker 3: then there are moments where I'd be like, no, there
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  Speaker 3: was no influence there. This makes no sense. How is
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  Speaker 3: this person the one winning this day? This? This is confusing.
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  Speaker 3: So but Jess does win. They go to the cocktail party,
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  Speaker 3: which is really where the kind of the climax of
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  Speaker 3: the episode occurs, because Jess just starts to get like
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  Speaker 3: i'd say, like annoyed that she's not getting more time
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  Speaker 3: with Joey right.
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  Speaker 4: At the this cocktail party.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's where, don't know, isn't that where this
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  Speaker 3: kind of starts her expressing her just issue with not
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  Speaker 3: more time, wanting more time, needing more time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, blanking on her moment.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Though, I think it was just kind of the itms
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: and the undertones of her Okay, okay, okay. I don't
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: think there was like a moment where she freaked out.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: But Maria does receive the rose, which is not shocking
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: to me because again I feel like Maria outside of
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: everything else. Okay, take away, you know what we think
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: is going on behind the scenes, If there is some
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: stuff being said that we're not watching or seeing when
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: it comes to Maria and Joey in an isolated event,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: she is doing a great job at making sure she
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: is known and seen and they are connecting. I know
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: she's really likable.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: She is likable.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: She's very likable. And Joey remembers her.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the story.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: That she shared about getting in the car crush with
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: her mom was like really heavy.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: You know, something came to mind and I don't know
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: if we've ever talked about it. I don't know how
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: to word it in a way that maybe makes sense,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: So I'll just say what I was thinking at this
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: point in time. Again, a lot of courage, a lot
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: of vulnerability from these women right now. But we also
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: have to think about how hard it is for Joey.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I remember sitting in those moments and you care so
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: much about the women that are there. And I know
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Joey had a very like good attitude saying, Hey, these
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: women are giving up piece of their life for me
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: to try this out. But at this point in time,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: he's five weeks in four weeks in whatever we are,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and every day of his life for four weeks, he's
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: getting these stories that are like pulling at the heart
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: strings that are opening up a whole new space of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: you know, care in his in his life, and he's
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: sitting in these I'm assuming and I remember, like you
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: get pretty tired. Not that you're over it, you're still
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: in it and you still care and you still want
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: to care. But how many times can you go to
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: bed at night and be like, I cannot believe that
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Maria went through something like that. I cannot believe Kelsey
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: went through something like that. I can't believe Rachel went
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: through something like that. Like it's hard, it's very emotionally.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: For somebody like you, like so empathetic. You must have
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: been caring so much on your heart.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Well and Joey, I know, Joey, We've talked about it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Joey cares a lot. And you don't want to dismiss
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: these conversations. You don't just want to be the person,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: not the bachelor, but the person that just sits there
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: and shakes their head. And it's like that's had to
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: be so hard for you and you don't really like
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: feel it with him.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Like how do you respond? He does a great job
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: at it. Well, I it's giving almost like.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: You can't like even start to like react to something
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: as emotional as some of these stories.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I think for Joey it's I mean, I think
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: it's eye contact, and I think it's him being in
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the moment.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: It means a lot. He's great at it.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sitting and listening, not necessarily trying to fix it,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: but just understanding that this is a sacred moment. But
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: it's taxing on somebody who what's the word that when
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: they like, they like live, like they feel deeply for
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: other people, like impath, Yeah, like an impath. Like it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: it's really hard for him, I'm assuming, and it does
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: get tiring because you don't know how to hold space
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: for all everybody in all these stories.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: So, but Maria does share a story. She does receive
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the rose, not shocking to me. I think I think
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: she probably deserved that rose outside of everything else. She
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: very much gave her best effort and she got the rose.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: And then we move on to Rachel's date, which is
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a one on one. Rachel been somebody actually you've been
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: really high on really since the beginning. You think that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: she has a great connection with Joey. You've seen their
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: joy around each other, so you're probably looking forward to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: this date kind of What was your response.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, ever since that date where it was the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: group date and they had the wedding dance and they
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: had honestly barely talked at that point, but you could
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: like really feel the connection there.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought of her.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: As a front runner, and this day was kind of
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: like more of the same. They danced again and that
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: was that was cute. Him with his boots and you
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: can just it's kind of the way that he looks
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: at her too, and then during the dinner conversation about
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: her being an icy U nurse, like you can just
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: tell that, Like, I think he's really considering a future
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: with her.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I think it was a very cute date outside of
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: everything else, right, it was a very well done date.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: The the two of them obviously have a great connection.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: They're obviously very attracted to each other.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: It's not the same as the Kelsey date.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Though, No, but it was good in its own way. Yeah,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: it was good in its own way. I enjoyed it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I think Rachel is still up there at the top
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: of my list. We'll do rankings here at the end
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: of the episode, but this date is very much for me.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Overshadowed kind of by the end of the episode Cocktail Party,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: where the Jess Maria Leyah situation kind.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Of goes down, not to mention that Leya during the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: group date couldn't stop saying like this group date would
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: be better if Maria wasn't on it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I can't stand Maria La La Lah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm just like, I need to know why
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you guys hate her so much. Like we got like
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a taste though with the cocktail Party, because.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: It didn't make me hate Maria.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I know. She says grow up to Jess because Jess
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: gets really annoyed because Maria interrupts Caitlin's time and she
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: already has a rose. So Jess is like, why are
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you going after time with him if you already have
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a rose and I haven't had any time with him
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: this week. Everybody, there's always a scene where somebody gets
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: annoyed over that. It's understandable. I'm always go back and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: forth on the appropriateness of it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I feel like.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't if I had a rose. I'd probably
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: let everybody else talk first, even though I know that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: some people have different interpretations they're like, oh, but then
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you don't. Then you're like prioritizing your friendship with the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: girls over your relationship with Joey blah blah blah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: So then when Jess brings it up, Maria seemed she
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: seemed a little dismissive.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Then she was like, you gotta grow up, Jess.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And then Jess didn't help herself though, when she said
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you gotta grow.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Up, bitch. You know, I know, here's the weirdest thing
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: right now because I am sensing that, yes, Maria is
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: rubbing a few people the wrong way.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And I just don't think they're showing it. I think
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: it must exist.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: But it's Leah, it's Jess, it's Sydney at this point
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: that we know of, Okay, it's those three. That's the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: people that we know are very annoyed. And those people
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: are very annoyed, like to the point where they're breaking
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: because of whatever is happening. Yeah, but here's the weirdest
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: side to me. As you're in the same room with
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: these women all the time, everybody's seeing pretty much everything
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: else that's going down. A lot of these women seem
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: very much not annoyed, very okay with Maria, very friendly
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: with Maria. They don't seem as hurt. Now, we've seen
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: it in season where there's been somebody that's really rubbed
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: every single human the wrong way, and it's very obvious.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: So the confusing part to me is, I don't think
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: we've ever seen a situation where one person has really
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: disrupted a few and the rest are really cool with it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: So what is happening, Like, what is your assumption based
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: on living in this house, going through this experience, what
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: could be happening where there is only a few that
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: are very, very upset and others who don't seem the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: care I don't really know.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's not like she has the top connection with them
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in the house, So it's not like they're going after
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: her because she's number one.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, maybe they think she is at this point.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know who they would think would
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: be above her.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: They just keep saying, like, what is it that he
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: sees in her? Like blah blah blah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, there's a select few that are so disrupted
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: that they cannot go through this experience like they're losing
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: their minds. They're losing their minds. And then there's how
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: many others left that are very comfortable in this environment
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and seem very unbothered by Maria, And so I don't
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: know what's happening. I can't even hint at what's happening, don't.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I don't have any experience with something like this, because
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: usually if there is a disruptor in the house, that
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: spreads pretty quickly that you can feel it amongst everybody
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: very fast. I don't know any example where there's been
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: a villain or there's been a someone who has just
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: done it in an isolated experience with just a.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Few Well, do you think that maybe it's just a
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: sensitivity thing and some girls like can handle a personality
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: that has a little bit more edginess.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably what we got to point to,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: where it's it's a unique personality trait that is very
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: much bothered by Maria. They feel threatened, they feel hurt,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: they feel disrespected, and as a result, the word yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: and they can't They can't function then because they're being disrespected.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I do think it's a sensitivity issue. I don't know. Again,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: these are assumptions that we're making, but I think that's
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: probably the only right now like thing that we have.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: It's the only hint that we have, the only clue
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that we have to what's going on. It's yes, Maria
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: is a unique force in the house. She's a big personality.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: She has the biggest personality.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And there's a few people house that just don't handle
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: it well and they take offense to it. So I'm
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: watching this episode, I still think Leah, who takes kind
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: of a backseat to the drama here, I think watching
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: her conversation with Madina, if that conversation doesn't happen, then
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I think I'm even more confused. But her conversation with
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Medina was so kind of mean, really and mean spirited, yeah,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: that I kind of say, Okay, I don't I can't.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think I can trust that opinion.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: And then we move on to Jess, who's been a
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: very fun, bubbly personality through this season, and she's breaking
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and I want to say she's breaking Ashley because of
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: what we see most seasons. She's breaking because she's not
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: good enough time with Joey. She feels like she's falling behind.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: She wants to catch up, she doesn't feel an opportunity
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to catch up. And then Maria steps in and interrupts time,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and I can't have a problem with it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't have a problem with it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that I would do it. But again,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not really sure. I can't have a problem with it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It's the game. You have to play the game. And
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of like with Jess, you know
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: how like I love you know, I'm sure there are
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: people out there that understand this. You know, when you're
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: like crying over something and then like you're crying, then
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: just all of a sudden, you start feeling sad about
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: all the other things, and like something else crosses your
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: mind and you start crying about that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: I think that's kind of what's happening.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it just happens to be pointed at Maria
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: because Maria was the She's the culprit to the interruption.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: She got more time, she stole Joey's time, and Jess
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't get any. But again, my question is why isn't
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Jess getting any Is it only Maria that took up
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: time with Joey? No, there's a lot of other people there.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, but she had the roses.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But take that out of consideration, because again, do you
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: really expect Maria to say, Okay, Joey's five feet away
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: from me, and just because I have a rose, I'm
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: not going to talk to him the night because I
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: want to give everybody else the opportunity to also connect
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: with him. That's ridiculous. That's not how this works. That's
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: there's one person standing at the end of this, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: so I can't see a problem with it. I don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: think it was disrespectful. I even feel like the way
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Maria and I know I'm almost like an apologist for
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: her right now, but I can't. I don't have anything
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: negative right now to point to because even how she
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: interrupted was very kind.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I know she was, and Caitlin admitted that she was.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Do I. That's why I'm getting confused, because obviously there's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: something happening. Obviously there's words being said, there's things being
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: done that these women are so hurt by, but yet
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we're seeing none of it, and so it makes and
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I wonder if the show wanted this, but it makes
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: some of the women look crazy, and I don't think
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that's fair to them. I don't think that's fair because
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: we're not seeing everything.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I know, and I still stand by this.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: The thing that the fact that I think that we're
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: not seeing things for Maria, even though I can use
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the alternate excuse of these girls are just a little
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: bit more sensitive than the others trying to see it
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: from both sides. And again, I have nothing wrong with them.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I personally, as a viewer watching just face value of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing, don't have any problem with Maria. She.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I think that they want her to be the bachelorette
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: because she has the personality of someone that they enjoy
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: being the bachelorette, somebody who spunk, ear and strong and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: la la lah. And I feel like they just are
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: like this, this was our pick than like the moment
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we met her, So it's more important for us to
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: make her look good than some of these girls that'll
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: get eliminited early and make them look good.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: So interesting, I don't know, I right now, I'm sitting
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: here confused. There is a lack of explanation for Jess
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: to freak out and say the things she said. There
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: had to be a lot building up because I just
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: don't think I haven't seen that from her yet. But
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I will say this my prediction is this is the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: spiral in the downfall of Jess. I think, oh yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think it gets any better.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: We see nothing about Maria or any tension around her
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: in the scenes in the next episode. So I'm thinking
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Jess is going to get eliminated and then all and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I think Lee will get eliminated, and I think, then
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: it's done.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then and then maybe we do find out
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: because if there's somebody else that pops up out of
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: this whole thing and is like, you know, I have
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: a problem too, Okay, then we have.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Got to just understand that there's something.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild, Ashley, it's wild. Well, it has been
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: a great season so far. It's two episodes this week.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: We believe there's an episode next week. I would like
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to think there's an episode next week.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Also, if you haven't listened yet, please go back and
• 31:46
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• 31:49
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• 31:52
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• 31:56
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• 32:03
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• 32:05
  Speaker 4: So good at it, and then I'll give you like
• 32:07
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• 32:08
  Speaker 3: That's not true. I think together together, we're helpful.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Together, we're good, we give it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, together, we're isolated, we're just talking heads. But uh,
• 32:20
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• 32:22
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• 32:23
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• 32:25
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• 32:30
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• 32:31
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